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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Hey, hey, hey, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: Help all is well out there? Yeah, welcome to April

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Speaker 1: number four of two, like the fourth April of No,

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Speaker 1: that's the fourth month. Like, I guess it's been kind

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Speaker 1: of these things. I don't know if it's some kind

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Speaker 1: so right, and it's just like, yeah, April feels like

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Speaker 1: a four. It's probably not cyn aesthesia. It's probably just

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Speaker 1: thirty plus years of associating the month, but that number,

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Speaker 1: it's obviously it sounds right. It would be weird if

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Speaker 1: it didn't sound arouse. Like, you know, April feels like

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Speaker 1: an eight to me, but October feels like a four.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you why October should feel like an eight.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's right there, but it does feel like

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Speaker 1: at ten. I don't know, but it's April, April Fool's Day.

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Speaker 1: Apparently this episode is coming out on so oh well,

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Speaker 1: we didn't even plan a joke for all, or did we?

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Speaker 1: Did we? You'll never know. I'm actually Diana doing an

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Speaker 1: impression of Eli right now, and vice versa. We fooled you.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knows that's not true because my impressions are not good.

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Speaker 1: That give the give the listeners your impression of me. Oh,

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Speaker 1: let's let's what do you think I sound like Diana?

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Speaker 1: What do you think I sound like Diana? Oh? That

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Speaker 1: sounded so mean? That sound like that? I think you

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Speaker 1: sound like Um. It's very hard. I feel like I

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Speaker 1: around each other all the time. But it's almost making

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Speaker 1: it harder because I know so many nuances of your

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Speaker 1: person's here. It's tough. Okay, here we go, Here we go.

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Speaker 1: Here's this is eli. Okay, hey babe, Um, what do

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Speaker 1: you want for breakfast this morning? Eggs? Okay? Okay, okay,

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Speaker 1: how how do you want your eggs? Like I ask

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Speaker 1: you every morning and you just pay eggs and like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how you want to cut because sometimes

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Speaker 1: I was just want to say that, like, if you

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Speaker 1: the only thing I ask. That's a direct quote. That's

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Speaker 1: frustrated than I intended to sound. I think sometimes you

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Speaker 1: just frustrating. It was the same level of frustration that

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Speaker 1: was good then, because it came across I'm just saying.

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Speaker 1: I ask you every day what you want for breakfast,

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Speaker 1: and your answer is always eggs, And I'm like, I

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Speaker 1: I think it was because today you said eggs and

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Speaker 1: That was pretty good. Can I hear your impression of

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Speaker 1: my impression of you? My heart can handle it. Uh yeah,

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Speaker 1: my impression of you. Um And then she's like looking

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Speaker 1: But oh, come on, enough about us, right, Yeah, that

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Speaker 1: We're you know, we're We're not the ridiculous romance you

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Speaker 1: came here to hear about. No, Today, we have a

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Speaker 1: very interesting story. This episode was suggested to us by

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Speaker 1: Samantha M on Instagram. Uh, your handle is at sam

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Speaker 1: c Colmes. So thank you Samantha for this little rabbit

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Speaker 1: hole down. This is a nice one to get to

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Speaker 1: definitely is playing into some topical things. Yeah, sure, this

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Speaker 1: story is about Victor Noir and more importantly, his grave.

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Speaker 1: So Victor Noir was just a journalist in eighteen sixty

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Speaker 1: So let's hear about how this average everyday journalist became

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Speaker 1: an enduring fertility symbol. Hey, their French come listen. Well,

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Speaker 1: Elia and Diana got some stories to tell. There's no matchmaking,

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Speaker 1: a romantic tips. It's just about ridiculous relationships, a love.

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. So let's start with a little bit about

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Speaker 1: the French Revolution. Like, we can't get on this show

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Speaker 1: without talking about the French Revolution. Every five weeks, you

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Speaker 1: know how how often it hits Like even Governor Morris

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Speaker 1: was had some French Revolution in it. So many of

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Speaker 1: our episodes. Look, I'll tell you it's it's we try

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Speaker 1: different cultures and different ideas and stuff like that. But

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you cannot talk about

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Speaker 1: Very true, Yeah, extremely true. So we're just gonna keep

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Speaker 1: coming back here. I love it, I know, right, So, yes,

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Speaker 1: So the French Revolution began in eight nine. They overthrew

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Speaker 1: with his Queen Marie Antoinette, and we have had several

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Speaker 1: requests for a King Louis Marie Antoinette episode. We're definitely

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Speaker 1: when we do that couple. We will, we will, because

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Speaker 1: obviously very much affected their lives. But just quickly we'll say,

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Speaker 1: just sketch it out for you here. France became heavily

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Speaker 1: also because of the profly gets spending by the king,

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Speaker 1: so not just our fault. Heavy taxes were imposed on

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Speaker 1: telling me the French government, any government, went out spent

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Speaker 1: so they got together and they're like, the coming theres

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Speaker 1: They are so petty. And there's one thing poor people

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Speaker 1: it's like we get it already, get over it. Well,

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Speaker 1: we must do something. What if we get the money

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Speaker 1: mean tax so wealthy? Oh you're so crazy. I love it.

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Speaker 1: Let's do it, Melcy. But of course the actual wealthy

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Speaker 1: French people did not respond like that. They responded more like,

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Speaker 1: And eventually this all came to a head, so to speak,

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Speaker 1: what's now called the Reign of Terror. But after this,

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Speaker 1: like get melted down all the scepters, sort over the scepter,

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Speaker 1: you see, every time someone becomes emperor, they always crowned themselves.

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Speaker 1: It's never like a group decision to have an emperor.

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Speaker 1: this clash eventually led to a Second French Revolution in

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Speaker 1: Victor Noir became a symbol of revolutionary politics, like it

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Speaker 1: basically became sort of mandatory, was like civic duty for

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Speaker 1: any Republican to attend his funeral um, and there was

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Speaker 1: apparently that like a funeral proSP sh of a hundred

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00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: thousand or some sources say two hundred thousand people that

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00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 1: like showed up to more in Victor Noir and his

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00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: martyrdom for the revolution. Right, And this was a guy

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Speaker 1: who just happened to take this job. He didn't even

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Speaker 1: care that much about the politics. But because of because

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Speaker 1: a imperial prince shot him dead, he's he's this symbol

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00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,879
Speaker 1: without ever having meant to be. Yeah. Also, anytime a

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Speaker 1: Republican stood for election, they basically had to say the

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00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: slogan a combo Victor Noir, which means he was in

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Speaker 1: Victor Noir's convoy and I think probably more accurate translation

435
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: is like, you know, I was in the procession, I

436
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: followed Victor Noir. I'm a fan of Victor Noir. I

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00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 1: stand with Victor Noir. Um, so yeah right away, like

438
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: literally before he's cold. You know, he's a huge revolutionary symbol.

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00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: They all had to put that hashtag in their Twitter bios,

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00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: and when Pierre was ultimately acquitted of murder at his trial,

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Speaker 1: there was a huge outcry and a number of violent demonstrations.

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Speaker 1: According to Andy Royston's piece Scandal in the Graveyard on

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Speaker 1: jack quo dot com, the jury during this trial heard

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Speaker 1: Victor Noir quote portrayed as a thug who assisted various

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00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: Republican writers to go around and beat up opponents or

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00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: people they disliked with impunity. Medical evidence showed that Noir,

447
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,240
Speaker 1: far from just slapping Prince Pierre, hit such a blow

448
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: on his cheek as to cause it to swell, so

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00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:42,440
Speaker 1: maybe punched him rolled hard. So they dismissed the murder

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00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 1: charge as self defense. I don't know, it seems like

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00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,719
Speaker 1: if you're in self defense, like your defense should match

452
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: the aggression that you're defending against instead of like, oh,

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Speaker 1: someone slapped me, so I shot him dead that he's

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Speaker 1: like noted he might have slapt me again. Then I

455
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: would be slapt twice. I had to do whatever I

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00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: could prevent that outcome. Outcome. Oh man, yeah, that's a lot.

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00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: I also just like I'm seeing this slap, punch in

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Speaker 1: the face and this prince just you. I've never why,

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00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: I never I'm going to shoot you? Did I don't know?

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00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: Way's British all of a sudden, but what happened. It's

461
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: just he slapped the French out of him. You slapped

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Speaker 1: the French out of me, my goodness. So yeah, Pierre

463
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: basically walks away free of charge, no problem for him. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: La Ravange was seized by the government and Henri Rochefort

465
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Speaker 1: and Pascal Grouse both went to prison for six months each. Well,

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: you know when your imperial government, when you're the Pere government,

467
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: and one of your princes gets away with murder and

468
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 1: then the newspaper that was speaking out against you gets

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Speaker 1: shut down and its editors arrested. That's just that's the

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Speaker 1: that's the system. That's fair legal system, fair trial. Clearly

471
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 1: nothing going in anyone's favor on this one. No strings

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Speaker 1: being pulled. What did they go to prison for? I

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Speaker 1: have to I'm like, for having a paper. Let's just

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I guess they're like and re roach

475
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Speaker 1: for particularly didn't have much of a part to play

476
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Speaker 1: in this that this guy wanted to pick a fight

477
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Speaker 1: with him. So I'm like, that guy was probably like

478
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Speaker 1: hanging out eating dinner or something, and suddenly I watch.

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Speaker 1: What's funny about all this is that it kind of

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Speaker 1: ended up not mattering very much because later in eighteen seventy,

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Speaker 1: the Franco Prussian War led to the overthrow of Napoleon

482
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: the Third They established the Third Republic, and that's kind

483
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: of the end of the story until Victor Noir's body

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Speaker 1: was moved to the pair l Ches Cemetery in eighteen nine.

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Speaker 1: Do you want so, let's find out more about that

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Speaker 1: after this short break. Welcome back to the show, everybody.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we know what you're thinking here, right,

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Speaker 1: Where the hell is the romance? I know, with a

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00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: two commercial breaks and nothing sexy? Right, this is all

490
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 1: just a bunch of dudes running around slapping each other.

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00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: There's nothing sexy about that. Yeah, what's hot about that?

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00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: All right? Okay, here it comes. This is where it

493
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: gets good because in the Third Republic decided that they

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Speaker 1: needed to create a new monument to Victor's martyrdom. They're thinking,

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Speaker 1: this is a guy who who died trying to stand

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Speaker 1: up uh to imperial you know, to the to the

497
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: to an imperial prince trying to push people around. You know,

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00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,720
Speaker 1: he's trying to stand up for freedom of speech, and

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00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: he died in the process. So they built this new

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Speaker 1: monument for him in pair La Chase Cemetery and this

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Speaker 1: is going to be sculpted I Juse delu Jules decided

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Speaker 1: to cast Victor in bronze in a realistic style. He

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00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 1: would be on his back as though he had just

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00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: fallen on the street, dropping his hat beside him. Cool statues.

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00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 1: He just didn't look like he had just been shot

506
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: at right, really immortalized like his martyrdom, like the moment

507
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: where it all happened, you know, and not just a

508
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: guy standing there like any other dude, just standing there.

509
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:28,680
Speaker 1: But it's well made to a lot of good details,

510
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: close and everything and so hard. But a lot of

511
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Speaker 1: times you make in these metal and rock these beautiful

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Speaker 1: layers and clothes, like soft looking clothes and veils and stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's very Sculpture is my my I get my favorite

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00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 1: art form. I don't know. It's the one that consistently

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00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: I am blown away by every piece of sculpture I've

516
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: ever seen. It's seriously like if you have a piece

517
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: of a rock or a piece of metal and you

518
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: I mean paper clip animals and I'm like, wow, what

519
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: a bull. This was just a paper clip and now

520
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: it looks like a giraffe. I am amazed. So Delu

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00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: makes this sculpture. Andy Royston writes, quote, he was now

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Speaker 1: a romantic heroic figure, quite unlike how he had been

523
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: in real life. As we talked about like Pierre, you know,

524
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't even really trying to do anything. He just

525
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,680
Speaker 1: happened to get killed in such a way that made

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Speaker 1: him a martyr for the Republic. Now, this statue did

527
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 1: have a unique feature because, for whatever reason, Jules Delu

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00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: gave Victor a pretty sizeable bulge in the crotch of

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Speaker 1: his pants. He's laying back, dropping his hat. He's presumably

530
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: has just been shot a semi but but Victors, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's give him a little boost here, let's

532
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: give him a little reputational boost. I guess. Let me

533
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: pull into speculation station, and I want to know. I

534
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: want to speculate why he chose to give him a bulge.

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00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: Do you think he was just like really realistic and

536
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: he's like, this is what it looks like when a

537
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: man lays down. There's something his pants. Yeah, we all

538
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: know that there's a bulge there. Whatever. Or do you

539
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: think he was like, man, this guy was a real martyr.

540
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,879
Speaker 1: You know what, I want to give him some big

541
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,280
Speaker 1: dick energy. Hey, you know what I'm going to say.

542
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: Jules Deliu himself was quite well endowed, and he didn't

543
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: know any better. He didn't know the difference. He was like,

544
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 1: this is what it looks like when you lie down.

545
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I don't know, You've got this huge mountain of your

546
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,280
Speaker 1: pants and you cannot hide it. Victor in Death is like, wow,

547
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: but thank you thanks to this defining feature of this sculpture.

548
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: A myth kind of grew about his his monuments, his monuments,

549
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: his monagement and this is this myth kind of maybe

550
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: started maybe around the nineteen seventies. Hard to peg peg

551
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: They of dicks in the nineteen seventies, so of course

552
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: every statue that they could find it like, how does

553
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: he look? How is it? Oh, this one's pretty good compelling.

554
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: So this myth grew that if women kissed his bronze

555
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: lips and rubbed on his bronze bulge, uh, they would

556
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: get married within the year. And then that myth grew

557
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: even further to include all kinds of good things that

558
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: could happen, including getting pregnant, falling in love um or

559
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: just having a blissful and idyllic sex life now on,

560
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: just from rubbing this guy's I know, I'm like, what

561
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: did Victor Noir have anything to do with sex at all?

562
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: So funny, but this all happened because of this bulge.

563
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: I guess everybody's eyes were just immediately drawn to this

564
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,239
Speaker 1: one area of the sculpture. The story also goes that

565
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:57,439
Speaker 1: Victor was supposedly um supposed to get married the day

566
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: after he was shot. Maybe that contributed, but I couldn't

567
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 1: find any verification for that, so it might just be

568
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: part of the whole fertility myths around it grew around

569
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: it that that he was like, yeah, has some romance

570
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: going on in his life or something like that. But again,

571
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: there's really not a lot to back that up. When

572
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: you have kind of of a loosely formed story, you know,

573
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: it's easy for other facts to kind of come in

574
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: and penetrate it. They can really just like poke up

575
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: out of nowhere. Um kind of surprise you. You can

576
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: just insert anything into a pocket like that. Um. So.

577
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: At any rate, this fertility myth has made Victor Noir's

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00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: grave one of the most popular to visit in the

579
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 1: Pairless Chase Cemetery, which is saying a lot considering the

580
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: amount of celebrities that are buried there. What is it?

581
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Morrison and Oscar Wilde. Women will visit and passionately kiss

582
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 1: his mouth. They will get up on the statue and

583
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: like grind up on him. They'll give the bulge a

584
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: little caress just with their fingertips, maybe if they're shy,

585
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 1: some women a little shyer than others, I imagine. And

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00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: the rest of his statue is that gray green color, which,

587
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: by the way, is a name. I didn't know this.

588
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: It's called vertegree. The color like the way the statue

589
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 1: of Liberty looks now, used to be bronze, obviously a

590
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: different color m but it gets oxidized it turned into

591
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 1: this gray green color we're all very familiar with. So

592
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: Victor's whole statue is this Vertegree color except for his

593
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 1: mouth and his bulge, which are noticeably shinier than the

594
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: rest from all of the contact with human hands. And

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00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: this is just a funny thing about bronze statues. You

596
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,800
Speaker 1: can find this. Statues of dogs particularly has this because

597
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: people will pet their heads or their noses, which I

598
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: think it's so cute. It's such a human thing to

599
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, a cute dog, even though it's

600
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: not a real dog, just like pet him. And quite

601
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: a few statues will have kisses on their lips or

602
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: you can have any kind of sexual part. You can

603
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: see what people like to touch on them. So this

604
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: is happening to Victor's grave, and all the pictures are

605
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: just so obvious. It's very funny. And also, once you're

606
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 1: satisfied visited Victor and you've rubbed up on him however

607
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: you want, once Victor's given you all he can give,

608
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: all he can give you, you are supposed to leave

609
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: a flower in his hand or in his hat to

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00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:30,000
Speaker 1: thank him for his services. That's polite, isn't it. I

611
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: think that's such a nice touch. You gotta show up

612
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: with a flower. You're not just supposed to grind up

613
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: on a guy leave him feeling cheap. You gotta show appreciation. Um.

614
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: So if you happen to go to pair Laches and

615
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 1: there's a rose or two in Victor's hat, he got

616
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: some that day, baby. Wow. I'm wondering about, uh, this

617
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: is just women like you know, if I'm feeling frisky

618
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: and I want to boost my sex life, can I

619
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: can I go, uh give give myself a ride on

620
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,720
Speaker 1: on Victor's grave here's grave. I have to wonder that too,

621
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: because I mean it does say women particularly um to

622
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 1: get married within the year. That's sort of where the

623
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: story started. So I wonder if it's just yeah, if

624
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: it's just about getting pregnant, you know, just very women

625
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,760
Speaker 1: based things. Well, but I think you're right. It's surely

626
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: plenty of men would be interested in in an idyllic

627
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,320
Speaker 1: sex life. And of course we know not just women

628
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: can get pregnant. So I suppose anybody can go have

629
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: a ride, have a good time with Victor. I wonder

630
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 1: if anyone's written this face and kissed his bolt, you know,

631
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: switched it up a little bit. I'm gonna I'm gonna

632
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: say definitely, yes, you're probably right. If you can think,

633
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Speaker 1: if you can dream, it's someone now, Okay, may be

634
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: in all this you're like me and you're thinking, I

635
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: don't why am I going to kiss the same statue

636
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:05,479
Speaker 1: that for decades now does hundreds, maybe thousands of people

637
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:10,800
Speaker 1: have been putting their lips on as well. Diseases, right,

638
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 1: just just the transfer of saliva in general. Against in

639
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: that respect, I am against it, but at least in

640
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: terms of the diseases. Fortunately, you may have learned this

641
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: in recent years during the pandemic because I have copper

642
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:31,360
Speaker 1: and it's alloys bronze and brass are antimicrobial. They apparently

643
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:36,680
Speaker 1: kill nine percent of bacteria. But it does take within

644
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: two hours for that to happen. So maybe if you're

645
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: in line to give old Victorius smooch here on his

646
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 1: face or bulge, maybe maybe give it a couple hours

647
00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: before before the last the last person. Yeah, I imagine

648
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: someone in line, like there's a big crowd, keep trying

649
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,920
Speaker 1: to well, I'll wait, I'll wait a minute. All sits up,

650
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: and they're just there all night. Tend to get out

651
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,839
Speaker 1: there like waiting watching their cloth. I like this idea

652
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: in our head that there is constantly like a ninety

653
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 1: person line outside that's grave. It can't be that. I

654
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: seriously doubt it. But in my mind, it's just an

655
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:20,520
Speaker 1: enormous crowd right every day since n just at least

656
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: fifty people crowding around. But then around two thousand four

657
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: two thousand five, cemetery management got kind of over it.

658
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: They were a little upset about all these women getting

659
00:41:33,000 --> 00:41:36,799
Speaker 1: up and literally grinding on this tomb. So they put

660
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,320
Speaker 1: a fence around Victor's grave, along with a sign warning

661
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: that they would prosecute any damage caused by quote indecent rubbing.

662
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: So France's biggest buzz kills coming in and saying, stop

663
00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: disgracing this poor man's grave. You know that grave? The

664
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: grave maintenance workers just like God, damn it every time

665
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: I try to go there, and the grass some crazy

666
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 1: trying to have a good sex life. Meanwhile, if if

667
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 1: desecrating a grave does matter to someone in the afterlife,

668
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: I kind of wonder if Victor is not looking down

669
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,880
Speaker 1: and being like, no, take the fence down, are you

670
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: kidding me? I've ever got He's like, this is amazing.

671
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: Nobody wanted to grind on me in life. I've been

672
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: getting a steady trickle since trickle. But here's the kicker.

673
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: A well known Paris TV reporter named Perry coshin lad

674
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,840
Speaker 1: this kind of tongue in cheek protest that allowed women

675
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: to put their tongues on Victor's cheeks. And even though

676
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: this was like actually something kind of a joke, like

677
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 1: this protest wasn't really happening, it was sort of like

678
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: a fake report about it happening, the cemetery took the

679
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: fence down, which I love it. It's like all these

680
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 1: women are very upset about this and they're enraged. The

681
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,359
Speaker 1: cemeteries are okay, fine, take it down. What harm could

682
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: it do? And I oh and famously Dita Vontiste did

683
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 1: go visit Victor Noir as well. I guess after the

684
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,319
Speaker 1: fence came down. And there's lots of pictures of her,

685
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: you know, sexily grabbing a space sexily, you know, sexily.

686
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:29,920
Speaker 1: That's a word, right, tells you a sexy sexually? I

687
00:43:30,040 --> 00:43:39,240
Speaker 1: do think around here, say it to me sexily, Yeah,

688
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: that's about what it's like. Yeah, okay, fine, seductively grabbing

689
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 1: his face and and jumping up on him and stuff

690
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 1: like that. So if you want to see those, they're

691
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,120
Speaker 1: pretty hot. That's amazing. I can't believe we went to

692
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,000
Speaker 1: pair Leches and we didn't notice a guy with the

693
00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: gleaming bronze bulge. All right, as like, so, I wish

694
00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 1: we had on this podcast before we gone to Paralles

695
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,600
Speaker 1: because it would visit many different graves now than we

696
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: did when we were there. Once again, we'll we'll just

697
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: have to come back. I'll have to petition the government

698
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,759
Speaker 1: of France to bring us over. So if you're in

699
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: the government of France and you want to sponsor our

700
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: trip to Paris, please contact us. I did. We did

701
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,879
Speaker 1: have one listener reach out and say something about how

702
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: we should do a tour of France and French history,

703
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, please, that comessolutely amazing. The problem

704
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: is we're going to have done all these episodes before

705
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 1: we ever get there, so we'll just have to retell you.

706
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's just so interesting. This story is fascinating

707
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: because there was just this twenty two year old like whatever,

708
00:44:42,120 --> 00:44:45,919
Speaker 1: trying to live his life and then now he's it's

709
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: just gone. He's just had such a journey and death

710
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: to becoming a revolutionary symbol that he never get really

711
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,320
Speaker 1: cared about fertility symbol that I mean, who knows actually

712
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 1: like a player in life. We just don't know anything

713
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: about what he was like. Yeah, he's been very obscured

714
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: by this this, these myths that kind of sprung up

715
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: around him. I do know that he by the time

716
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 1: he was twenty two, he was a failed watchmaker and florist,

717
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, I know, you know, nineteenth century,

718
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: you started things a lot earlier back then, but jeez,

719
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: by twenty two, I hadn't even begun to decide a

720
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: career for myself. I had yet to fail and started

721
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,440
Speaker 1: anything to fail. This guy's failed two things already. That's true.

722
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,960
Speaker 1: So did that speak to desperation or ambition? Oh? Good question?

723
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: Or do you think he was just like I'm just

724
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: trying to get paid. I don't care. I was watchmaker

725
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 1: fucking sucked. I don't like gears, so I was like,

726
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 1: oh man, I hate gears. How did I end up?

727
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: I went to flowers they all died, so that I

728
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: was like, what can anyone do I know write about politics?

729
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: I can come up with some hot takes. So yeah,

730
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: I thought I thought we could pull into speculation station

731
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: and decide for everyone what kind of man this was. Yeah,

732
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: we had like one source say that he was known

733
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: as a womanizer in life. Another source said there was

734
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: nothing to indicate that he was any sort of stud

735
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:23,280
Speaker 1: in life. So those are very conflicting of information. Um.

736
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: And then of course we have the trial saying that

737
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:30,360
Speaker 1: he was just this heavy that came into just intimidates

738
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 1: Yeah for the writer, like maybe he wasn't even a

739
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: writer at all. He was just there to be like

740
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: hulking in the background, this guy like you better still

741
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: in that statement, you know, so I don't know what

742
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: do you think do you think he was? Do you

743
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 1: think he punched Pierre in the face? Do you think

744
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: that he was this womanizer? We're in speculation station right now.

745
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to say definitively that, first of all, seems

746
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: it's dubious or again the Imperial government at court to

747
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: decide that this guy was some bruiser who went around

748
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: beating people up for no reason. So I'm saying in

749
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: terms of the punch, absolutely not. He had no idea

750
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: what was happening Pierre, Like Pierre said, oh, look a

751
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: baguette and like them there and he turned around. Victor

752
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: turned around and he said, I don't see a baggett.

753
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: And we turned back around. Pierre punch sucker punched him

754
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,399
Speaker 1: right in the face and then shot him. Wow, that's

755
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: what I'm saying happened. And then in terms of him

756
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: being a lover boy, um, you know what, I like that. Uh,

757
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: in the afterlife he's getting all this action at his

758
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: grave site. So I think I think he was not

759
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:42,120
Speaker 1: a stud I think he was just like a quiet,

760
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,799
Speaker 1: shy little dude, wrong place, wrong time, and now he's

761
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: just gifted with getting grinded on. For I like that story.

762
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,400
Speaker 1: It's harder to think about a guy who would go

763
00:47:57,440 --> 00:48:02,000
Speaker 1: around and intimidate witnesses and stuff. There was just kind

764
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: of just some asshole who punched a prince in the face,

765
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: got shot at the street. Now getting all these hot

766
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: French ladies, that's cool. Um, so I like that. Let's

767
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: say definitively that Victor deserves this, this these tributes definitively

768
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 1: speculatively speculative, that's our that's our answer. We're sticking to it,

769
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: and the Noir estate is welcome to correct us. But bonapartes,

770
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: we're not going to hear it, So you guys are

771
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,759
Speaker 1: too too shady, can't trust it. What's funny too is

772
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: just this. I mean literally, these were guys just writing

773
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,640
Speaker 1: letters and they decided to save some really insane real

774
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: world consequences. They're saying just some strong words. But on

775
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 1: the other hand, strong words are strong words. They do hurt,

776
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,320
Speaker 1: so you know, it's it's a lot like the slap

777
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: we're all talking about. Now. When is it okay to

778
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: be vile into or whatever? Yeah, yeah, I'm sure everyone

779
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 1: in the world is is well qualified to chime in. Definitely,

780
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,959
Speaker 1: definitely well qualified. Here's what I want to hear from

781
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: and and this this is probably homework for our listeners

782
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: out there. I want to know, of those folks who've

783
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: been grinding up on this statue, what was the outcome?

784
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: Did you all get married within the year? Did you

785
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,040
Speaker 1: have a crazy sex life from then on? Out? Do

786
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 1: do you do? You walk into a bar and say, hey,

787
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: I like to grind on statues and then you have

788
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,480
Speaker 1: like your pick. Everybody is like, well, whatever you want then,

789
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: you know, because I mean, if you know, girl walked

790
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: up to me and she was like, I mean, hell,

791
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 1: I'll just hump a statue. If it's in front of me,

792
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to at least follow up with a few questions.

793
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: So he probably does improve your sex life to some degree? Right?

794
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 1: Do people get pregnant from the statue? Has anybody had

795
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:55,439
Speaker 1: a little statue baby, a little bronze statue? Have they oxidized?

796
00:49:55,680 --> 00:50:01,160
Speaker 1: Are they? Are they ver? Ver degree? Now? Look, these

797
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,960
Speaker 1: are the questions I need answers. Tis, if you've ever

798
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 1: grinded up on Victor Noir, I want to know what

799
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 1: happened afterwards? Does it work? I feel like probably so

800
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 1: many people do it just to do it. Yeah, So

801
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 1: do you think you have to have the intention also

802
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,680
Speaker 1: in your mind? I think I think it's I think

803
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: with magic like that, you can mess around. It's if

804
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:27,879
Speaker 1: you do it, it's going to happen. It'll happen. I'm

805
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah. All right, Well, then we need to

806
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: hear from you. If you've gone to paralyches and climbed

807
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: up on this bulge. I want to know more. Yeah,

808
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 1: so contact us. Our email address right now is ridic

809
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: Romance at gmail dot com. Right, you can find us

810
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Speaker 1: on Twitter and Instagram. I'm at Oh great, it's Eli

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Speaker 1: ridic Romance on both those platforms as well. We've got

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to at sam Seacombs Samantha M for this suggestion.

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Speaker 1: This was such a fun story to kind of dive into,

824
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Speaker 1: so weird and funny and random, and I'm so glad

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Speaker 1: we got to look at this and revisit our favorite place,

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Speaker 1: parach So thanks Agains, Samantha, and thank you all for listening,

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Speaker 1: and don't forget to tune next week we'll have some

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Speaker 1: exciting new episodes and we'll catch it in love you bye,

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Speaker 1: so long friends, it's time to go. Thanks so listening

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Speaker 1: to our show tell your friends names, uncle's, and this

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