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Speaker 1: Two teas in a pod which Teddy Mellencamp and Camra Judge.

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Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of the twat Seat.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing this one solo with one of my dear friends.

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Speaker 2: Alex Baskin, CEO and the newly launched thirty two Flavors

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Speaker 2: Entertainment is the executive producer of long running hit shows

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Speaker 2: including the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, Orange County, Vanderplump, Rules,

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Speaker 2: and Botch as well as forthcoming series for, among others, Netflix,

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Speaker 2: Hulu and Paramount Plus, as well as a feature film.

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Speaker 2: As the president of Evolution Media, he oversaw more than

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Speaker 2: four dozen series during his tenure, and he, along with

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Speaker 2: his business partner, sold the company to MGM in twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: But to our surprise this year on Orange County and

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Speaker 2: Beverly Hills, thirty two Flavors, Alex Bastin's company has taken over.

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Speaker 2: So let's get them on, mister Baskin.

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Speaker 3: Cambra Judge, how are you.

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Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm good. You know I have to film

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Speaker 2: right after this, right, Oh, I know, I know, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get you your other job.

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Speaker 2: Right, so we'll make this quick, right, so okay. So

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Speaker 2: I was up at three in the morning and I

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Speaker 2: watch I listened to Once Upon a Con I listened

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Speaker 2: to the first episode and half of the second, and

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Speaker 2: I was hooked.

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Speaker 3: Go allead.

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Speaker 2: So basically. Television personality and founder of La based organic

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Speaker 2: Italian food and accessory company Pizza Girl, Caroline Diamore is

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Speaker 2: taking back control with her powerful new crime series with

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Speaker 2: iHeart Podcasts, premiere in February twelfth, twenty twenty five, on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app and everywhere the podcasts anywhere you can

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Speaker 2: hear them. The series chronicles de moors transformation for victim

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Speaker 2: to relentless crusader as she exposes David Bloom, the notorious asshole. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: does that set him up?

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Speaker 3: That is that's a very fair summary. And you know

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Speaker 3: this came to be because I had read an article

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Speaker 3: in the Early Times about this really prolific con man

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Speaker 3: that since the eighties had stolen tens of millions of dollars.

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Speaker 3: He was known as the whiz Kid of Wall Street

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Speaker 3: in the eighties because he stole money from people, including

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Speaker 3: the Rockefellers and even his own grandparents.

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Speaker 2: So what a real charmer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, this guy is a special breed of asshole.

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Speaker 3: So fascinating story. And then I saw on Instagram that

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Speaker 3: Caroline had been conned by him, and I thought, here's

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Speaker 3: an opportunity to put a face on this story. And

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Speaker 3: and so basically we chronicle, you know, it's his bilking

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Speaker 3: all put together what he was doing. And then Caroline decided,

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Speaker 3: you know, like he sort of read in the summary

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Speaker 3: And so it's a story that is gripping because it's

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Speaker 3: true crime, and we're all interested in true crime. But

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Speaker 3: it also is empowering, and that's why it's one that

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to bring to life and that I think

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Speaker 2: Now you're producing this podcast, correct, right? So once Potacom

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Speaker 2: features exclusive interviews with Willoom's victims, including survivors from his

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Speaker 2: earlier multi million dollar bust in Manhattan in the eighties

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Speaker 2: and the nineties, like you said, uncovering his long trail

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Speaker 2: of fraud across Hollywood and Manhattan and delivering shocking revelations

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Speaker 2: about his tactics. Now, in episode one I listened to,

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Speaker 2: like I said earlier this morning, touches on Caroline's upbringing,

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Speaker 2: and also covers how she met David Bloom during COVID

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I and I think, what's so this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad. I was going to ask you how

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Speaker 3: No, it was only a couple of years ago, and

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Speaker 2: Well, she doesn't seem like a girl that is just

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean, he definitely took this to

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So we're excited, and I know Teddy's gonna be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, let's get into a few other things.

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Speaker 2: Let's do it. Mister housewife. I feel like you probably

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Speaker 2: can make a true crime podcast about some housewives as well.

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Speaker 2: I watched the first episode last night of Scamanda. Have

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Speaker 2: you heard about that? The girl that faked you for

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Speaker 2: ten years. That's pretty good. That'd be a good thing

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Speaker 3: Such a crazy story. So and I and I think too,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So Housewives, let's get back. Do you ever does

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Speaker 2: it ever get exhausting being a producer of Housewives?

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Speaker 2: And it's done as running Housewives bush tags.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's what one season wonder deserves a second chance.

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Speaker 3: We are we're getting set, We're we're really excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Can you give us any update? Is there any former

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Speaker 4: And it is the craziest season two of any show

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Speaker 3: No, I thank you for highlighting Once upon a Con.

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