WEBVTT - A Conversation with the Jets' Historic 2000 Draft Class 25 Years Later - Part 1: Shaun Ellis & John Abraham 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.320 Welcome into the Official Jets Podcast. 0:00:02.480 --> 0:00:04.680 I Eat, Breathe, and Sleep The New York Jets. 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:07.800 My team that is a tightrope walk across Niagara Falls. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:08.560 That's hard to. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:11.200 Do, say name an inches, so finding that one little 0:00:11.200 --> 0:00:13.200 inch to be successful, it all matters. 0:00:13.720 --> 0:00:16.639 The Official Jets Podcast is presented by Kendra Scott, the 0:00:16.720 --> 0:00:20.080 jewelry company that's shining bright and doing good. 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Ellis, a Tennessee product, went number twelve overall. 0:01:00.280 --> 0:01:03.840 Abraham starred South Carolina, went right behind at number thirteen. 0:01:04.400 --> 0:01:09.320 Pennington was taken eighteenth, and Becked went twenty seventh. While 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:13.480 the four first rounders were unprecedented, the Jets also got 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:15.680 a fifth ace in the two thousand class when they 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:20.039 selected wide receiver Lavernias Coals in the third round. It 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:23.680 was Woody Johnson's first draft as an owner, and the 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.600 Jets grabbed five players who would line up in forty 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.319 two playoff games for the Green and White, plus five 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:33.840 hundred and fifteen regular season contests. On this very special 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:37.560 installment of the Official DUTs podcast, we look back at 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:42.680 the jets historic two thousand draft class. Sean, what are 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:45.680 your thoughts on this being the twenty fifth anniversary of 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:50.360 the two thousand Jets draft class? 0:01:50.880 --> 0:01:56.480 Amazing when you peel back everything and you understand what 0:01:56.560 --> 0:02:00.640 that class for the Jets really was. I mean, you know, 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.280 for us to you know, have as long a career 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:07.600 as we had, you know, it's amazing. So that's the 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:11.480 word I I summing up with with, amazing. 0:02:12.080 --> 0:02:14.720 So what were your memories of the pre draft process 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:15.760 coming out of Tennessee. 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.440 Well, for me, it was just I remember flying to 0:02:21.560 --> 0:02:24.320 New York a lot. I remember me being up up 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:29.120 in New York a lot and didn't understand why. I mean, 0:02:29.160 --> 0:02:31.120 after I went through the first couple of process and 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.040 then it was like I was up here every other weekend, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:39.919 you know, so, so I kind of when it actually happened, 0:02:40.320 --> 0:02:42.799 me getting drafted by the Jets, it all made sense then, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:45.720 you know, they were just trying to figure out what 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:46.480 they wanted to do. 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.840 So do you remember, do you recall those interactions you 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.960 just said you were up here a lot up in 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:55.720 the Northeast and New York. Who were you talking to during. 0:02:55.639 --> 0:02:59.560 Well, parsel a lot? Yeah, I had meeting with a 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:07.079 parcel who was a GRO. I mean it was him. 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:12.639 The GM at the time was Terry, Terry Bradway. Terry Bradway, Yeah, 0:03:12.720 --> 0:03:14.839 it was him, you know, talk to him a couple 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.120 of times. So it was just I guest to me, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.760 I was talking with my wife yesterday, I was like, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:23.960 remember all the times I was flying up here. I 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.920 kind of felt like they were just trying to hide 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.720 me from going to other teams. Really if it just 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.120 be stuck up in the hotel. I meet with him 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.080 that morning and I don't see them again for two days. 0:03:36.480 --> 0:03:39.880 So Terry was actually Terry was actually hired in two 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:43.840 thousand and one, and then HERM. Edwards was hired as 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:46.600 head coach in two thousand and one. But you're right, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.440 the architect of that draft in two thousand was Parcels. Yes, 0:03:52.720 --> 0:03:55.400 for you, coming out of school, you would won a 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.560 national championship with the volunteers. You knew you were gonna 0:03:58.560 --> 0:04:02.120 go early in the draft. What was that presence? Like 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:05.320 those interactions like with Parcels? 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:08.040 It was just great to the point, you know, he 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.720 was truthful with me. He saw a vision for me. 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:15.240 He bleed in my talents, and he just told me 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:17.560 just stay the course. So you know, on my projection 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:19.800 where I'm going and everything could be fine for me. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.679 So you know, I just wish he could have stayed 0:04:24.440 --> 0:04:26.440 the whole time, you know, doing our career. 0:04:27.040 --> 0:04:31.200 You know, yeah, because the rookie season of two thousand 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.559 you played under l Grow and then Herbs was hired 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:36.680 in oh one and then Herm was on board from 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:38.520 oh one to five? 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.040 Where were you draft weekend? 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:44.360 You know how typically people get together, maybe have the 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.359 folks at their house and gather. 0:04:46.600 --> 0:04:47.200 What did you do? 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:53.839 I was in asking me and John we had a 0:04:53.880 --> 0:04:59.480 draft party together in Columbia, South Carolina, So our families 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.680 met up in Columbia. We rented out this sports bar, 0:05:02.960 --> 0:05:07.480 and we had a family night there and that's where 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:08.200 it all went down. 0:05:08.360 --> 0:05:08.600 Yep. 0:05:09.640 --> 0:05:11.960 How many people were there do you think. 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:16.599 Might have been? I know it was a lot. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.640 It was a lot of my family members, a lot 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:24.080 of my my neighborhood from where I'm from was there. 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:26.720 So for me, it had to be over with two 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:27.440 hundred people. 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.960 Hey, So was there an element of surprise though? 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:33.839 Because the Jets had to move up to get you 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:36.479 at twelve they moved up for spots to get that 0:05:36.960 --> 0:05:38.720 selection right. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.240 Now, it was it was a surprise. 0:05:45.080 --> 0:05:48.000 They didn't like hint one way or another, like we're 0:05:48.040 --> 0:05:51.520 going to take you, you know, But when it happened, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.839 it made sense, you know, because I spent so much 0:05:53.839 --> 0:05:56.480 time up there and well in New York. 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.039 So actually I thought I was going higher. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:06.520 I thought I was going higher, and but you know, 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.440 the chips failed away at failed all right. 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.920 So you said, this is so interesting that you had 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:18.800 a draft party with John Abraham. Now Abe ends up 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:23.080 being selected one pick after you. He attended South Carolina. 0:06:24.000 --> 0:06:27.920 With that being said, what was your relationship like with 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:29.560 Abraham at the time. 0:06:30.839 --> 0:06:33.200 At the time, we were friends. You know, we grew 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:37.080 up well, we didn't grow up together in the same neighborhoods. 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:38.880 I'm from the upper State front of the lower State. 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:43.920 But through football, you know, reading the papers and and 0:06:44.120 --> 0:06:46.559 the banquets, you know, the all star bankers for the state. 0:06:46.680 --> 0:06:48.000 You know, we became friends. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:52.400 And it just solidified when we became when we signed 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.039 to the same agent, and then that built our bond 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:55.599 even further. 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.440 All right, is there is there a moment there where 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:03.560 you pick up the call, you're celebrating, you're awfully emotional, 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:08.280 and then you find out that the next pick is Abraham? 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:10.000 What was that all? Like? 0:07:11.560 --> 0:07:14.200 I think at the time both of us were standing 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:17.720 there when it happened. So they called my name, so 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:20.400 you know, obviously I'm hugging my mom and all that, right, 0:07:21.480 --> 0:07:23.600 and then while I'm doing that, he happy for me, 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:25.600 and then he don't. 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:27.000 Even really get to hear his name called. 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:29.720 It was right, you know, he didn't expend for us 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:32.240 to go back to back like that, and then he 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.200 was our agents like him, Hell go the phone and 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:37.000 that thing. You know he was going to He was 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.000 coming to the Jets too, so it was just like, 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.600 you know, amazing. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:45.760 So you guys are celebrating. It's a festive atmosphere. And 0:07:45.760 --> 0:07:48.640 then a couple picks later, you hear that the Jets 0:07:48.720 --> 0:07:53.200 draft a quarterback out of Marshall named Chad Pennington. 0:07:53.280 --> 0:07:54.920 What were your thoughts? 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:59.200 Well, I knew Chad, Well didn't know him. I knew 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.600 him from Marshall throwing the random off. So that was 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:06.200 like a big thing, right, the creed had with random off. 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.320 So hearing his name, I was like, great. You know, 0:08:09.520 --> 0:08:14.000 I met Chad once in Tennessee, you know, just hanging 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:16.720 out one night. We met, not knowing that he was 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.480 gonna be my teammate. Like a couple months later and 0:08:21.440 --> 0:08:23.080 you know, they called his name. I was like, wow, 0:08:23.200 --> 0:08:27.040 Chad coming to the Jets too as well. So it 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:28.080 was just crazy, man. 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.280 So Anthony completes it. He's the fourth first round pick. 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:38.120 Did you think at that time that hey, we have 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.439 a chance to put our imprint on the franchise or 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:45.040 you just getting drafted is like, hey, listen, I just 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.160 got to take care of my business and then see 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.559 how everything transpliers down the road. 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.679 I mean pretty much, just you know, we just got 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.160 me take care of my own business. It really didn't 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:58.520 dawn on me until I guess later on with the 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:02.760 significance was because we didn't have much detail on how 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.960 everything went down. So once we came, once we came 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:08.880 to the Jets, and then they started calling us the 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.720 four Horsemens, and and you know we're taking pictures together. 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.720 You know it don't understand that it was something special. 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.880 But again, we was young, so we didn't know what 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:19.760 we was getting into. 0:09:20.640 --> 0:09:20.920 You know. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:24.520 So what nickname did you like the best? You just 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.480 mentioned the four horsemen. That's pretty cool. 0:09:26.840 --> 0:09:27.200 Uh. 0:09:27.800 --> 0:09:30.240 A lot of people always said four aces as well. 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:34.560 Well, I think at first of the four horses, right, yeah, 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.800 I think at one point was or then it changed 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:37.440 to the four ases. 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:39.720 How it was. I liked the four aces. What's up? 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:40.480 Okay? 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.520 Yeah, okay, So did you have any idea that you 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:48.000 were picking up this stud in the third round? Lavernius Calls? 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:52.480 Like on Draft weekend? Hey, you actually beat Florida State 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:55.120 in the National title game. But did you know what 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:56.800 kind of player Calls was going to be? 0:09:58.360 --> 0:09:58.760 Yeah? 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.560 Yeah, I mean we watched a lot of tape on him, 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:04.160 you know, coming up in that National championship game with 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:09.400 him and Peter Ward, So just just getting familiar with 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:15.320 him through game footage and they actually playing against him, 0:10:15.920 --> 0:10:17.760 and then when he got drafted, I was like, wow, 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.439 you know, we got a good receiver then, you know. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:27.800 So, yeah, outstanding receiver. Looking back now, as you guys have. 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:31.560 Had an opportunity to do, I think here in these 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:35.400 days as we head to the draft, the twenty twenty 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.040 five NFL Draft, what are you most proud of what 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:40.320 you guys accomplished. 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:46.960 I guess we're coming in and getting a team to 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.080 the playoffs on a on a regular basis, if you 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:57.959 want to say, and just just just our you know, 0:10:58.120 --> 0:11:00.920 toughness that that we had considering everything that we went 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:05.280 through with the coaching changes, with with you know, the 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.840 whole dynamics of the Jets, and for us to still 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:12.240 you know, stay levelheaded and stay committed to the game, 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:15.600 you know, and kept working to try to get to 0:11:15.600 --> 0:11:18.600 a certain place in our careers, you know, with all 0:11:18.679 --> 0:11:23.400 the injuries and whatnot. It was just our prowess just 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.200 to keep just to keep marching forward. 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:29.839 Yeah, you made it look easier early on in your 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:31.800 career rookie season, I think you had eight and a 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:36.520 half sacks, and then you go all the way to 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.679 twenty ten, your final year with the Jets. One of 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:43.200 your last games was that divisional round victory over the 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:48.080 Patriots when you had two sacks. When you look back 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.960 at your career with the Jets, what stands out to 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:54.880 you individually. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:03.359 Individually? What stands out to me individually? I think individually 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.440 for me is just my approach to the run game. 0:12:07.200 --> 0:12:09.320 I think for me, the way I like to play 0:12:09.320 --> 0:12:15.800 in the run game and playing in like multiple defenses, 0:12:16.920 --> 0:12:22.280 different positions within the line, having to sacrifice my game 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.600 a lot, you know. I think I think that's you know, 0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:29.920 and still turn out to have a good career, you know. 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:32.679 I think for me, that's that's the most. 0:12:32.720 --> 0:12:35.360 That dynamic with Abraham. Can you speak to that? 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:38.080 And do you ever wonder what it would have been 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.040 like if you could have played a little bit longer 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:40.760 with him as well? 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.479 Oh? Yeah, yeah, definitely. 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.240 I think we could have could have end up been, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:48.200 you know, to the best defensive ends in the league 0:12:48.240 --> 0:12:50.520 at that time, if not in the history of the game. 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:55.080 You know, times, the times that I was able to 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.920 really play defensive end, I think. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.640 He was gone then, so are you? 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:04.080 Yeah, so I only played defensive end like really twice, 0:13:04.400 --> 0:13:07.199 like real defensive end. You know, all the rest of 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:10.560 them like two gapping and three four defense for me. So, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.880 like I said last night, that was a learning curve 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:18.720 coming in as a rookie not understanding what really three 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.720 four really entails the traditional three four. 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.640 So that's what I was saying. I had to like stay. 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:29.320 Out to practice every day just to get the stands 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.880 just the concept of what I was supposed to be 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.280 doing down, you know, because I struggled a little bit, 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:35.760 you know with that defense. You know, because I was 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:38.240 an attack guy. I was like to get off the ball, 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:41.480 like to use my size and speed and to come 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:43.480 and having to be a three to four end. 0:13:43.880 --> 0:13:47.960 It was like so frustrating. It was so frustrating. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.880 Because you got to be unselfish and that with that position, 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:54.559 because you're taking on blocks. I mean, bottom line is, hey, 0:13:54.600 --> 0:13:57.040 a lot of the time your job is to free 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:58.200 up other people. 0:13:58.240 --> 0:13:59.520 Frail for other people. 0:13:59.760 --> 0:14:02.760 And then you know when you see the numbers, you know, 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:04.720 me getting aim and half sass that year, it was 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.199 like incredible, you know because to me, I'm like, now 0:14:07.320 --> 0:14:09.360 I should have had I should have had double digits. 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:13.400 I missed a couple, but you know, just just to 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:15.720 fight through all that and still be productive in the 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:21.040 past game. You know, I definitely had my eyes set 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:25.400 for when herm came in right, because I'm like, cool, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:27.840 finally I get to go back the end. I could 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:30.480 to play my position. Me and Abraham will be bookings. 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.520 So we show we showed flashes when both of us 0:14:33.520 --> 0:14:35.720 out there, like we could really put pressure on the quarterback. 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:38.160 Then her and Kane he moved back to d tackle 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:43.000 and you know, again I had to go through another change, 0:14:43.360 --> 0:14:46.080 had to gain weight, do all that, and it just 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:47.760 wasn't good for me. And then finally they moved me 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.400 back outside, went on way out of shape, and my 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:57.600 numbers suffered within those two years, and then finally got 0:14:57.640 --> 0:14:59.680 back on track and get to the Pro Bowl had double. 0:15:00.320 --> 0:15:02.720 So I mean, if me and Abe could have like 0:15:02.960 --> 0:15:05.720 just could have just left us alone and just let 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:07.560 us play left and right, I think it would have 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:08.680 been like awesome. 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:14.480 How unique was Abe in terms of his past rushing proworths. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:18.360 And also do you think that he should be considered 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:21.360 for the Hall of Fame when you look at the 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.040 the totality of his career. 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:24.440 Yeah, I honestly why not? 0:15:25.320 --> 0:15:28.200 Because if you look at his numbers, his numbers is 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.720 up there with the best of so, I. 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.200 Mean he should he should be. It's shocking to me 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:33.720 that he's not. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:37.520 So I don't know what's the you know, the politics 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.440 in that, but yeah, his his speed, his ability to 0:15:42.480 --> 0:15:44.800 get low and bend the corner, you know, and to 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:46.960 get inside was like second to none. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.960 Huntington, he really took the league by storm there in 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.520 two thousand and two when he took over for Vinnie. 0:15:56.160 --> 0:15:56.280 Uh. 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.280 Your memories that two thousand and two season where you 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.360 guys started out of the gates slow, you make the 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:05.560 quarterback change, and then Pennington leads you guys to a 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:06.400 division title. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:14.600 Yeah, yeah, that was that was That was a rough start, 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:16.960 you know at the beginning of that season, but we 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.800 battled back and then when Chad came in, he just 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.000 let us you know, he didn't he didn't wave it 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:23.800 one bit, you know, he said. 0:16:23.960 --> 0:16:25.520 You know, he go do his job, he can help 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.120 us get out the hole. And we just followed him. 0:16:28.360 --> 0:16:28.560 You know. 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:31.680 The defense we had a good defense that year as well, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:36.800 so and to go and play against the Coats and 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:40.280 win that game, you know, was was you know huge 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.760 to have a playoff game at home. We haven't had 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.200 that in a while, so to win a playoff game 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.320 at home against the Coats, against Manning and to blow 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:50.080 them out like that was like huge. 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:54.160 That's the last time the Jets had a home playoff game, 0:16:54.200 --> 0:16:54.800 you know that, right? 0:16:54.960 --> 0:16:55.680 Yeah? Yep? 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.200 It felt like throughout your career here with the Jets, 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:03.960 like almost every other year and then Rex gets here 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:08.520 or her and following the old eight season in oh nine, 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.919 ten back to back runs the FC championship games. 0:17:13.400 --> 0:17:15.680 What were those respective runs like for you? 0:17:16.440 --> 0:17:16.680 Oh? 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.760 Man, it was considering where where the organization you know, 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.240 it had been, and where we was at that at 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.760 that time, and getting too to those two FC championship games. 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:32.440 Man, it was, it was, it was you know. 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.600 Lovely just say it was lovely considered considering everything that 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:41.399 the Jets went through and to be able to be 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.359 knocking on that door like that, it was just like, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.639 you know, time, it's been too long, it's time for 0:17:46.720 --> 0:17:48.240 us to get there. It's time for us to get there, 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.680 and just to you know, just to urge and wanting 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:52.639 to get to the Super Bowl and win it for 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:55.280 our fans, you know, that was all in my mind, 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:57.760 you know at that time, you know, we fell short, 0:17:57.800 --> 0:18:00.000 but we had a we had a major run those. 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:02.200 Years, you certainly did. 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:04.359 How much of an appreciation did you have for back 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:07.199 because he's a guy kind of put us hard, hat on, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.240 want to work, not a lot of flashy numbers, but 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:13.480 he's a guy much like you on the offensive side 0:18:13.480 --> 0:18:13.920 of the ball. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.879 Is you knew what you're gonna get from Anthony in 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:18.840 terms of being a blocker. 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.639 Oh yeah, I mean I had to go. We was 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:26.880 baling every day, me and Anthony. So we go hard 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:30.399 at We went hard at each other, you know, just 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.640 just him. The pride that he took into the ring game, 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.920 the same pride I took him to defending the run. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.119 So you know, so we had our battles, you know, 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:42.720 doing doing practice and things like that. But a man 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:46.399 is Anthony Beck is a hell of a guy, you know, 0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:49.800 smart guy. You see what he's doing now coaching. So 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.399 he was definitely a person that loves the game. He 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:57.040 came out, he workes, you know, screamly hard, and you know, 0:18:57.080 --> 0:18:58.800 he was just a great teammate to have. 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.040 All right, So you when you up to the league, 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.080 when you were drafted by the Jets, you come into 0:19:04.200 --> 0:19:07.439 Weaview Bank Hall on the campus of Hofster University and 0:19:07.480 --> 0:19:10.320 one of your defensive teammates is a cornerback by the 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:11.520 name of Aaron Glenn. 0:19:11.840 --> 0:19:14.760 What was it like to have Aaron as. 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:18.320 A teammate and now twenty five years later, what is 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.520 it like for you, big cat, to know that Aaron 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:23.320 Glenn is leading the Jets. 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:24.000 Oh? 0:19:24.080 --> 0:19:27.560 Man, it's great. You know, I'm excited for him. I 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:29.760 hope he's able to do everything that he set out 0:19:29.760 --> 0:19:32.639 to do with the team and lead them, you know, 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:35.640 to the premised land. But walking into that locker room, 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:39.760 you know, first my first experience of ag is like 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:47.040 he always the life of the locker room, always always talking, always. 0:19:46.560 --> 0:19:51.600 You know, yaffing, stirring to pot up with people. You know. 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:54.000 Then you go out there on the field. He challenged 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.240 you all day long. You just hear his voice all 0:19:56.320 --> 0:19:59.639 day long in practice and to get into meet rooms. 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:03.200 Then you realize, like, man, this dude knows his stuff, 0:20:03.480 --> 0:20:05.640 you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, the coverage, 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:09.040 he like he knows everything. And just to be able to, 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.040 you know, experience it as a rookie and seeing that 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:14.720 it just stepped up all game up even more of 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:16.639 how professional that we have to be. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:20.240 So he left a huge impression on you from the 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:21.200 get huh oh. 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:23.560 Yeah. I don't even really think he knows it, but 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:25.200 yeah he did. 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:29.280 Yeah, and then when you heard the Jets it hired 0:20:29.320 --> 0:20:31.560 him and he's gonna be leading them to start the 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.800 twenty twenty five season. You mentioned that before. I mean, 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:42.680 how much like do you have a family feel now? 0:20:42.840 --> 0:20:46.520 Even more so to the Jets because this is. 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:47.960 The team that drafted you. 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.800 You were a first round pick, but Aaron Glenn was 0:20:50.800 --> 0:20:52.240 the first round pick of the Jets. 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:52.800 In ninety four. 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:58.680 Like, he's the guy who has blood, blood sweat and 0:20:58.800 --> 0:20:59.880 tears into this thing. 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:03.040 Here he is again, here is again. Yeah. 0:21:03.080 --> 0:21:05.840 Man, Like I said, it's awesome, you know, for him 0:21:05.840 --> 0:21:10.000 to come back around and to get his his head 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.920 coach and start with the Jets. I mean, I feel like, 0:21:13.040 --> 0:21:16.160