1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,840 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: This is the. 3 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 3: Blueberg day Break You At podcast, available every morning on Apple, 4 00:00:13,240 --> 00:00:16,000 Speaker 3: Spotify or wherever you listen. It's Monday, the thirty first 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:18,640 Speaker 3: of March in London. I'm Caroline Hepkin. 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 4: And I'm Stephen Carroll. Coming up today. Donald Trump says 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 4: his plan for so called reciprocal tariffs will be universal. 8 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 3: Stocks drop and bond's rally as the prospect of a 9 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,720 Speaker 3: full blown trade war drives Goldman Sax to predict more 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:33,479 Speaker 3: rate cuts. 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 4: Plus fearing a liquidity mirage, foreign exchange markets worry as 12 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 4: system wide crisis could be far more likely than many 13 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 4: would like to believe. 14 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,240 Speaker 5: Let's start with a roundup of our top stories. 15 00:00:46,000 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 4: President Donald Trump says no countries will be exempt from 16 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 4: his so called reciprocal tariff's plan that are due to 17 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: be announced on Wednesday. Earlier this month, AIDS and allies 18 00:00:55,800 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 4: of the President had insisted the levies would be more targeted, 19 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,639 Speaker 4: with some nations receiving exclusions. However, speaking on board Air 20 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 4: Force One on Sunday night, the President pushed back on 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:07,360 Speaker 4: the idea. 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,479 Speaker 6: You'd start with all countries. So let's see what happened there. 23 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 6: Are many countries. I haven't heard a rumor about fifteen countries, ten. 24 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 5: Or fifteen those countries. 25 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 6: Essentially all of the countries that we're talking about wouldn't 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 6: be talking about all countries and not a cutoff. 27 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 4: President Trump has indicated that the plan will go beyond 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: just looking at the levees other countries set for the US, 29 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: to include things like domestic value added taxes and regulations 30 00:01:37,880 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: the administration deems as being unfair. Research from Bloomberg Economics 31 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 4: finds that if Trump were to drop this approach with 32 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 4: America's fifteen largest trading partners, US tariffs could add up 33 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: to twenty eight percentage points to average US tariff rights. 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 4: That would deliver an estimated hut of four percent to 35 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 4: USGDP and lift prices in the United States by close 36 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 4: two and a half percent. 37 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Trump's decision to double down on sweeping tariffs comes 38 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: as he also insisted he doesn't care if the cost 39 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 3: of imported cars rises. In a phone interview with NBC News, 40 00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 3: he said, I don't I couldn't care less if they 41 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 3: raise prices because people are going to start buying American cars, 42 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 3: and speaking to Fox News Sunday, Trump trade advisor Peter 43 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: Navarro said the auto tariffs would raise significant revenue. 44 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 7: We're going to raise about one hundred billion dollars with 45 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 7: the autochriff salon. What we're going to do is in 46 00:02:35,480 --> 00:02:38,360 Speaker 7: the new tax bill that has to pass, it absolutely 47 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,240 Speaker 7: has to pass, we're going to provide tax benefits, tax 48 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 7: credits to people who buy American cars. This is a 49 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 7: genius thing that President Trump promised on the campaign trail. 50 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 3: Despite Navarro's upbeat assessment, auto prices are broadly expected to 51 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,320 Speaker 3: increase by thousands of dollars as a result of the levees. 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: JP Morgan analysts estimate prices in the US will jump 53 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: eleven percent on average. 54 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 4: UK's Prime Minister Urris Starmer spoke with Donald Trump as 55 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 4: Britain tries to escape the looming global tariffs. A statement 56 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 4: from Denning Street says the two leaders held quote productive 57 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 4: discussions and that they will stay in touch in the 58 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: coming days. Home Secretary of v Cooper was asked if 59 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 4: the UK would retaliate if it didn't get a deal. 60 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: The Prime Minister has said that no option is off 61 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 1: the table and we will continue to approach this in 62 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: the UK national interest. That's the important thing. 63 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 4: The UK government has been working for months on strengthening 64 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 4: trade relations with the White House and is considering cutting 65 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 4: digital taxes to secure special treatment. So far, the UK 66 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,760 Speaker 4: has been hit by the same levees on steel and 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 4: autos as the rest of the world. 68 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: Goldman sax economists are forecasting more interest rate cuts this 69 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: year as President Trump's import levees threatened to impact global 70 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 3: economic growth. 71 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 5: Bloomberg's t Adebayo. 72 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: More economists at Goldman Sachs now see the FED cutting 73 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: in July, September, and November. That's compared to earlier bets 74 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: on two cuts this year and one in twenty twenty 75 00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: six in Europe. A separate note said lower growth forecasts 76 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,360 Speaker 2: reinforce expectations that the ECB will lower rates in April 77 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 2: and June, with a further quarter percentage point reduction now 78 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 2: seen for July. The news comes as researchers at the 79 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: bank increase their tariff assumptions for the second time in 80 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 2: less than a month, meaning they now expect the average 81 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,360 Speaker 2: levee to rise fifteen percentage points in twenty twenty five. 82 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 2: Higher consumer prices and lower GDP growth in both the 83 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 2: US and EU are also in the firm's forecasts in London, 84 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 2: Tea were at a bio Bloomberg Radio. 85 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 4: Global stocks are selling off for a fourth day ahead 86 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: of the expected announcements on tarifs, then again in Tokyo, 87 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 4: fell as much as four percent to its lowest level 88 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 4: and six months, while Taiwan's benchmark indexes on course for 89 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: a correction, having dropped by nearly ten ten percent from 90 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 4: its recent peak. US and US and European equity futures 91 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 4: are also pointing to a lower open after a quarter 92 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 4: where europe stock six hundred registered to record outperformance against 93 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 4: the S and P five hundred bonds are rallying. Meanwhile, 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 4: with tenure treasury iel dropping by as much as five basis. 95 00:05:17,320 --> 00:05:21,599 Speaker 3: Points, President Trump has threatened to punish buyers of Russian 96 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,039 Speaker 3: oil if Vladimir Putin refuses a ceasfile with Ukraine. In 97 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,479 Speaker 3: comments reported by NBC News, Trump was quote very angry 98 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,480 Speaker 3: and peed off and threatened curves on all oil coming 99 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 3: out of Russia. Speaking of the journalists on Air Force one, 100 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 3: the US president was more moderate. 101 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:44,040 Speaker 6: I was disappointed in a certain way, so with thanks, 102 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 6: and we said over the last day or two having 103 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 6: to do with Silinsky, because when he considered SOLISKI not credible. 104 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 6: I was supposed to be making a deal with them, 105 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 6: whether you like it, where you don't like him, So 106 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 6: I wasn't happy with it. 107 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 3: The threats mark a significant change of tone for President 108 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 3: Trump and reflect a growing frustration in the US administration. 109 00:06:05,279 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 3: Russia is one of the world's three largest oil producers, 110 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 3: meaning that any attempt to punish buyers could have a 111 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 3: far reaching effect on both the oil market and inflation. 112 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 4: During his interview with NBC, Trump also refused to rule 113 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,919 Speaker 4: out running for a third term as president, despite the 114 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: constitution barring him from doing so. He referred to quote 115 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: methods that would allow him to run again. When asked 116 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 4: about those comments on Air Force One yesterday, the President 117 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 4: had this to say. 118 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,160 Speaker 6: You want to talk about it, I'm just telling you 119 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 6: I've had more people say please run again. I said, 120 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 6: we have a long way to go before even think 121 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 6: about that. 122 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 4: Twenty second Amendment to the US Constitution, and acted after 123 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 4: Franklin D. Roosevelt was elected to a fourth term in 124 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 4: nineteen forty four, prohibits US presidents from serving more than 125 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 4: two terms. 126 00:06:54,360 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 3: Those are our top stories for you this morning. In 127 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 3: terms of the market, is a deeply risk off sentiment. 128 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,039 Speaker 3: Continuing today, we're set up for a very difficult day. 129 00:07:03,120 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 3: In terms of stock futures, we're down eight tenths of 130 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: one percent for the U of SOX fifty future, six 131 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,320 Speaker 3: tents lower for the S and P five hundred. Remember 132 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 3: that we did see the S and P five hundred 133 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 3: dropping close to two percent on Friday. Treasuries and gold 134 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 3: are rallying. Yields a lower this morning by almost five 135 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 3: basis points after Friday's eleven basis point rally her gold. 136 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 3: In terms of the gains, they're eight tenths of one 137 00:07:27,280 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 3: percent higher, trading now above thirty one hundred so three 138 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,160 Speaker 3: thy one hundred and nine dollars a troy out. The 139 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: Japanese yen has a jumped sharply. In terms of Asian markets, 140 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 3: they're following Wall streets to Friday slump. The NIK two 141 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 3: to five is now down three point nine percent. The 142 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 3: Hang Saying Index is also significantly lower one and a 143 00:07:49,240 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: half percent this morning, and mainland Chinese markets, though faring 144 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: slightly better after solid PMI data out of China. 145 00:07:57,080 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 5: Those other markets. 146 00:07:58,400 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 4: In a moment to bring you more and how markets 147 00:07:59,880 --> 00:08:02,800 Speaker 4: are gearing up for this week's tariff announcements, plus why 148 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 4: there are liquidity fears creeping into the seven and a 149 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:09,679 Speaker 4: half trillion dollar foreign exchange market. But first, another story 150 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 4: that caught her eye this morning. Our colleague Fmloomberg, Quiniy 151 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 4: and Lara Williams have been writing about the future of champagne, 152 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 4: a subject that I feel very invested in. 153 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 5: Carolyne. 154 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you know that glass of bubbly, it's all changing 155 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 3: because of climate change. It's an existential crisis for the region. 156 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 3: And you know, for this wine enjoyed for you know centuries. 157 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: Some summers are so hot now that the grapes are 158 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: ripening a month early and the harvest is starting twenty 159 00:08:39,360 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 3: days earlier than they were only thirty years ago. And 160 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 3: so that means a major rethink, as Lara has been 161 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 3: writing about, does it mean the return of sweet champagne 162 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 3: which used to be popular years ago. 163 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 4: Look, part of what's fascinating about this is obviously it's 164 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 4: a high value product, which means that these houses that 165 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,080 Speaker 4: produce champagne actually have the means to be able to 166 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 4: adapt their production methods in a way that is environmentally 167 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: sensitive but also can sustain the quality of the product 168 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 4: as well. So actually in terms of innovation, and that's 169 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: the detail of what Lara goes into because she visits 170 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: several of the champagne producers and she talks them and 171 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:15,200 Speaker 4: these are not always big houses as well. Some of 172 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 4: them are quite small operations. So the idea that actually 173 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 4: they're in some ways at the forefront of trying to 174 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 4: come up with methods that allow them to sustain through 175 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:26,319 Speaker 4: either because high temperatures is one problem. The other one 176 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 4: is frost and frost occurring at the wrong times of 177 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 4: the year that can damage the crop too. 178 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 3: The beautiful photographs and Lara admits, you know in her 179 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: piece that maybe looking at this sort of most frothy, 180 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 3: most kind of delightful of products might not sort of 181 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 3: spring to mind immediately when you think about the kind 182 00:09:44,440 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: of devastation of extreme weather, but she says that it's 183 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 3: kind of about the planet's culture, history, humanity, all in 184 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 3: that bottle of champagne. 185 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 4: You can read the full thing Blueberg dot Com for 186 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: its lash opinion. Well, let's turn to the markets after 187 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 4: a quarter that have seen European shares and the stock 188 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,119 Speaker 4: six hundred out performing the SMP five hundred by seventeen 189 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:05,960 Speaker 4: percentage points. 190 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 5: In dollar terms. 191 00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 4: That's of course on the back of concerns about tariffs, 192 00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 4: but also Germany's fiscal plans supercharging the euro and more. 193 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: Let's bring in our fxs and rights reporter Alice led 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 4: Hill for more on this. ALUs. First of all, let's 195 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: reflect on the quarter that we're finishing today. Very unusual 196 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 4: to see this out performance of you know, stocks, bonds 197 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 4: and the euro. Talk us through what drove that. 198 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: As much of the last month or two European markets 199 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: who've just gone on the major high. As you mentioned, 200 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: it's all off the back of this German spending package. 201 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 1: They're planning to unleash billions of euros of spending over 202 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 1: the next decade or so to boost investment in defense 203 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 1: and infrastructure. That's much over to you now that's seen 204 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: as a game changer for Europe as a whole. Of course, 205 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Germany is the biggest economy, and the ideas it's going 206 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: to help the EU generate the growth it's crazed for years, 207 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: and that's really what's kind of triggered the huge repricing 208 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: in markets over the past quarter. So kind of just 209 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,640 Speaker 1: a few months ago, you had the euro kind of 210 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 1: toying with parity against the dollar that once this package 211 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 1: have been announced, it kind of bounced back to the 212 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,080 Speaker 1: highest in October kind of around one spot ten. 213 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 5: You know, we've had stocks surge. 214 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: I think they're on a historical performance of the US, 215 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: and then I have on the flip side, you've seen 216 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: been so German government bonds put in the sort of 217 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: five next sell off, and that's a reflection of the 218 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: higher bond supply that we were. 219 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 5: Going to be seeing over the next hadle slow fuel 220 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 5: this growth. 221 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 3: But of course we're thinking about this major week ahead, 222 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 3: the impact of more US tariffs this week. 223 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. 224 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,760 Speaker 1: So I think what's kind of interesting about Europe the 225 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: structure is this kind of pivot from the euphoria. We've 226 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,280 Speaker 1: been seeing this much more sober backdrop, at least in 227 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: the short term. And of course the fear is that 228 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,880 Speaker 1: Trump lapsed the block with tunitive tariffs. That knocks the 229 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,800 Speaker 1: sort of fragile, kind of nacent growth and sentiments. And 230 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: I think the cold European assets have moved so much 231 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: recently on the back of the shell and news that 232 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: probably makes them a bit more vulnerable now. So I 233 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: think I think the idea is, you know, the long 234 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 1: term outlet probably hasn't changed all too much, but we 235 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,840 Speaker 1: have kind of seen a cooling of these these animal spirits, 236 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: And of course it all sort of depends on kind 237 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 1: of the shape and size. It's what the final. 238 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 5: Tariffs look like. 239 00:12:24,520 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 4: What about the I suppose updates or the research that 240 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 4: we've had and the likes of Goldman Sachs talking about 241 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 4: this affecting the rate path going forward from here as 242 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 4: well as we think about the impact of tariffs. 243 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 1: This is exactly and I think the immediate outlook is 244 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: very unclear, and as I said, it kind of all 245 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:43,439 Speaker 1: sort of depends on kind of how punitive and how 246 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: severe these tariffs are. I think, you know, if Trump 247 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: goes in hard, I think we're going to see a 248 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: continuation of recent moves, so kind of government bonds, which 249 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 1: are you know, some of the safest assets are going 250 00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: to drump, but the euro will will drop further. Stocks 251 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:59,320 Speaker 1: will I think, cut all that that amazing rally they've 252 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,440 Speaker 1: been having. Usually credit spreads widen, and I think in 253 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: a worse case scenario, you might have to do the 254 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: ECB set in and quite interest rates more than might 255 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: otherwise have been the case this year. Of course, If 256 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: hut Water's down the tariff on the I think we'll 257 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: probably see a big bounced back in terms of risk 258 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: efforts and the era as well. 259 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: Alice, thank you so much for being with us this morning. 260 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 3: Bloomberg's FX and Rates reporter Alice gledhil So setting yourself 261 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: for what could be a major week ahead. 262 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 4: Now to the giant foreign exchange market, where traders fear 263 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 4: the global market may be less liquid than it appears. 264 00:13:32,040 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 4: Currency heavyweights are warning the fragmented, tech driven modern market 265 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,839 Speaker 4: could be storing up trouble. We've got another member of 266 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 4: our FX and rates teams, Alice Atkins, with us this 267 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 4: morning for more on this. Alice, great to have you 268 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: on as well. Talk to us first about why are 269 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:49,439 Speaker 4: people worried about FX liquidity? 270 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 8: Good morning, Stephen. We've got lots of alsis in the 271 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 8: FX rates team at Bloomberg. 272 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 4: Well. 273 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 8: Effex is the largest financial market in the world, but 274 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 8: it's also probably the most complicated. There's no central exchange, 275 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 8: and trading activity is fragmented and scattered across lots and 276 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 8: lots of different platforms and venues, and on an everyday basis, 277 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 8: everything works fine. Electronic trading has increase the speed with 278 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 8: which things turn over and crush the cost of trading. 279 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 8: But during stress market conditions, players like XCX and City, 280 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 8: they're warning that liquidity is becoming increasingly fragile. And it's 281 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,760 Speaker 8: for a number of reasons. It's partly because regulation has 282 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 8: meant that banks can't wearhouse risk in the same way 283 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 8: that they used to. They've also moved to internalize a 284 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 8: lot more of their flow. So these primary markets EBS 285 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 8: and l segg formally refinitive, the volumes have fallen quite dramatically, 286 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 8: so they're much less liquid than they used to be. 287 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 8: And this all means that when you get very directional 288 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 8: market moves like last year when we saw yen carry 289 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 8: trades flow up trades can cause very can cause oversized moves, 290 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 8: and that's what they're saying that they're seeing happen more often. 291 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 5: And so has this got the attention of regulators then, so. 292 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 8: Effects is not as regulated as other asset classes, and 293 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 8: that's partly because of this decentralized trading system and because 294 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 8: it crosses time zones and lots of jurisdictions, but it 295 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 8: is very closely monitored by the central banks in each 296 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 8: nation and they help put together a set of best 297 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 8: practice principles known as the FX Global Code, and lots 298 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 8: of supervisors have been more closely tracking the increasingly complicated 299 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 8: system recently so. The New York FARED hosted its first 300 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 8: ever conference on effects market structure just a few months ago, 301 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 8: and they acknowledged that sudden pullbacks in liquidity may be 302 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 8: becoming more frequent, and they said that they're particularly watching 303 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 8: the growth of non bank players market and others like 304 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 8: the Bank of England have been pushing for there to 305 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 8: be a bit more transparency in the market for quite 306 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 8: some time as well. 307 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 4: This is Bloomberg Daybreak Europe, your morning brief on the 308 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 4: stories making news from London to Wall Street and beyond. 309 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 3: Look for us on your podcast feed every morning, on Apple, 310 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 3: Spotify and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 311 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 4: You can also listen live each morning on London DAB Radio, 312 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 4: the Bloomberg Business app, and Bloomberg dot Com. 313 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 3: Our flagship New York station is also available on your 314 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 3: Amazon Alexa devices. 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