Speaker 1: I'm gonna still stick with my prediction that JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: will if he does have success. It's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a brock Pretty thing. It's the coach, it's the
Speaker 1: left tackle, it's the weapons that will put him in
Speaker 1: a place that I think elevates him beyond what he
Speaker 1: would be with average personnel, average coach or bad. I
Speaker 1: don't think brock Party is good enough to save a
Speaker 1: bad situation, but I think in the current situation with
Speaker 1: Trent Williams, Kittle, Jennings, Shanahan, McCaffrey, I think more than capable,
Speaker 1: I tend to think McCarthy's going to fall into that.
Speaker 1: I mean left tackle, head coach, running back, tight end.
Speaker 1: I think I think JJ McCarthy would have to be
Speaker 1: bad not to have some brock Pretty level success where
Speaker 1: you know, oh, he's not a physical specimen, but he
Speaker 1: can complete passes and move the chains.
Speaker 2: I do think though he you know, brock Purdy got
Speaker 2: to come in toward middle of the end of the year, right,
Speaker 2: so there was less pressure, and let's face it, when
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo shattered his ankle, that the expectations for brock
Speaker 2: Purty were zilch. I mean I thought their season was over,
Speaker 2: and then the kid just started rattling off games. You know,
Speaker 2: for JJ McCarthy, a little like Trey Lance when the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers drafted him, kind of like Caleb, but
Speaker 2: we didn't really believe in Eberflus. It's pretty rare that
Speaker 2: a guy that was drafted pretty high starts on a
Speaker 2: team that, what do you think is a fair expectations
Speaker 2: anything less than the NFC Championship game with their roster,
Speaker 2: their coaching staff. It's really really high, you know, It's
Speaker 2: not like nine to eight and some growing pains. You know,
Speaker 2: justin Jefferson had some comments within the last week. You
Speaker 2: can just tell it's like our expectations here are high,
Speaker 2: and it's like this is a work in progress.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: The good thing is you can get better, right He
Speaker 2: might not be same with Caleb saying, with a lot
Speaker 2: of these guys, what they look like in September, they
Speaker 2: might look a lot better in November. But it can
Speaker 2: go the other way too. It can break you. So
Speaker 2: if you have a couple of tough games, how do
Speaker 2: you handle that adversity? That's that's really what all the
Speaker 2: NFL is right, is handling the tough times to get
Speaker 2: to the better times.
Speaker 1: I was reading somebody in the Athletic rank the coaching staffs,
Speaker 1: and I didn't disagree. He had Minnesota as the best
Speaker 1: coaching staff in the league. I think he had San
Speaker 1: Francisco with Kyle and solid two.
Speaker 2: Are you talking the whole staff?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean basically head coach, top two coordinators. He
Speaker 1: had Minnesota number one. And I think, and I've said
Speaker 1: this about brock Purty. I mean literally he got the
Speaker 1: keys to a Mercedes. You get Shanahan, McCaffrey, Trent Williams
Speaker 1: at the time, Debo Iu Kittle. I mean that's hard
Speaker 1: to mess up. I mean, if you're just capable, if
Speaker 1: you're quick above the shoulders, which I think JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: and Brock Purty are. I think they're smart guys. The
Speaker 1: downside to it is it's not it's a hard eval
Speaker 1: It's hard to evaluate somebody when they're I mean, it
Speaker 1: would be like putting somebody with Charles Barklay Shack and
Speaker 1: Ernie Johnson. It's hard to really say what. Kenny Smith
Speaker 1: is certainly capable, but his role on that show is
Speaker 1: to kind of poke the bear and just kind of
Speaker 1: have fun and be the straight man, and so it
Speaker 1: is hard to make. It's an easy evaluation on Jaden
Speaker 1: Daniels last year. Oh shit, he's carrying a bad online,
Speaker 1: a defensive coach, a one weapon offense.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: It's like Andrew luck easy a Herbert's rookie year. Wow,
Speaker 1: this is impressive. I think JJ's going to be a
Speaker 1: hard evaluation because how much of the success is based.
Speaker 4: On I mean, let's be honest.
Speaker 1: Last year, in Week fourteen, Sam Darnald was first or
Speaker 1: second in MVP. He was a bust going to Minnesota.
Speaker 1: So like now, I don't even know quite what to
Speaker 1: make of Donald.
Speaker 4: What is Donald?
Speaker 2: Well, I'm pretty high, I think Donald. I think their
Speaker 2: team's going to be pretty good, you know, giving health,
Speaker 2: the talent in Seattle, I would expect, you know, pretty
Speaker 2: high things for Sam, maybe not throw thirty five touchdowns,
Speaker 2: but to just be a solid player in the NFL
Speaker 2: moving forward, you know, be a guy that's on the
Speaker 2: good side of the top fifteen of the quarterbacks, not
Speaker 2: you know, somewhere between twenty two and thirty two, like
Speaker 2: most people thought he just sucked. But one thing, going
Speaker 2: back to Donald, he said that change his career was
Speaker 2: not just Kyle believing him, but watching brock Purty operate.
Speaker 2: And the thing that separated brock Purty immediately was not
Speaker 2: his height, was not his arm strength. It was all
Speaker 2: the intangible stuff which he had built for four years
Speaker 2: at let's face it, when he got there kind of
Speaker 2: an average football program that him and Matt Campbell transitioned
Speaker 2: into a high level football program where he was getting
Speaker 2: offered by USC and that big reason was because of
Speaker 2: brock Purty, you know. I mean, let's face it, mel
Speaker 2: Tucker got some big jobs because you know, got a
Speaker 2: huge extension because of Kenneth Walker. Sometimes one or two individuals, yeah,
Speaker 2: at not the top tier programs can change the course
Speaker 2: of your career. So brock Purdy, his intangibles are a
Speaker 2: huge separating factor for why you know, all the guys
Speaker 2: with the forty nine ers, coaches and players believe in them,
Speaker 2: you know, JJ, He's just gonna have to prove it,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's gonna have to be part of
Speaker 2: his repertoire. Are you getting there at five in the morning,
Speaker 2: Are you grinding Monday through Saturday? Because that's all these quarterbacks,
Speaker 2: that's all they talk about. It's not just the grind
Speaker 2: on Tom Brady's been talking about Mondays and Tuesdays for
Speaker 2: fifteen years.
Speaker 1: So you and I both agree on this that the
Speaker 1: Terry McLaurin situation in Washington is troubling. So I liked
Speaker 1: the Deebo acquisition because he's a chess piece and Cliff
Speaker 1: Kingsbury would be. You know, a play designer is good
Speaker 1: with chess pieces, but Debo is not as good consistently,
Speaker 1: or as healthy consistently, or as productive consistently as Terry McLaurin.
Speaker 1: And Terry's been the guy that's been I mean because
Speaker 1: of where he was drafted. Terry hasn't gotten the huge
Speaker 1: payday yet. In fact, you could argue before amor On
Speaker 1: Saint Brown's contract that McLaurin and omor On Saint Brown
Speaker 1: are the most under underpaid weapons in the league. So
Speaker 1: I actually get Terry McLaurin saying guys like I have
Speaker 1: outperformed my contract fourfold. Deebo is a guy that's not
Speaker 1: going to be a center piece, more of a chess piece,
Speaker 1: struggles to stay healthy. No, no, no, no this, I'm not
Speaker 1: doing any team favors on this.
Speaker 4: I kind of side with Terry mcclaurin.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 2: You Belichick talked about this for a long time, the
Speaker 2: locker room dynamics and money. I mean, you're dealing with
Speaker 2: young people who value themselves based on their contract relative
Speaker 2: to their peers. You know, it's hard with NFL contracts
Speaker 2: because it's convoluted, because a signing bonus is and pro
Speaker 2: rated money. But basically they make a very similar amount
Speaker 2: of actual cash going into their bank account week one
Speaker 2: through seven this year, Debo and Terry McLaurin last time
Speaker 2: I checked. Terry McLaurin had thirteen touchdowns last year and
Speaker 2: it was a massive reason that Jayden Daniels became a star.
Speaker 2: And if you're him, like what about all the sweat
Speaker 2: equity when this franchise was a joke. Yeah, I was
Speaker 2: the good guy doing the right thing. You bring in
Speaker 2: this other guy who is the GM's guy right from
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers, but he peaked, you know, part
Speaker 2: of the reasons Kyle got rid of him. He's like
Speaker 2: chubby wide receiver. When do you ever hear about that, Like,
Speaker 2: couldn't stay in shape, got moodies, asked for trades before.
Speaker 2: Now he comes and we're making similar money. These are
Speaker 2: human beings, right, I totally understand, Like that's not really
Speaker 2: I feel like a part of the reporting. It's not
Speaker 2: like and Terry would come out and say I'm jealous
Speaker 2: or angry because but you can't tell me that didn't
Speaker 2: play a part. You think I'm gonna make the same
Speaker 2: amount of money as this guy. You know we're both
Speaker 2: in contract years. Yet I this is my team, which
Speaker 2: I've been here from day one. You just bring in
Speaker 2: this guy. I also wonder if it showed him like
Speaker 2: what this administration they weren't my people, So I better
Speaker 2: be pretty careful now. They're gonna want me to like
Speaker 2: on the line now. But what if I get hurt
Speaker 2: and then I can't get a contract after this year?
Speaker 2: They don't care. They'll just move on. Because wide receivers
Speaker 2: this isn't you know, tackle or defensive ends not it's not.
Speaker 2: It's a pretty easy position to replace. Even if Debo fails.
Speaker 2: They could just draft a guy next year in the
Speaker 2: first round or the second round, or hit on a
Speaker 2: guy in the fourth round. Who knows, maybe McCaffrey's brother
Speaker 2: becomes a fifty catch guy. It's an easy you could argue,
Speaker 2: it's the easiest position now to find.
Speaker 1: Oh I can name off the top of my head
Speaker 1: the tank Dells and the Puka Nakuas and the Amora
Speaker 1: on Saint Brown's rounds four or five, Jennings and San Francisco's.
Speaker 1: I think it's seventh round guy wide receivers easily now.
Speaker 1: Now it can be the most inflammable and bustable first
Speaker 1: round pick because they come in.
Speaker 4: You know, it's an ego position.
Speaker 1: They come in the first round, but by and large
Speaker 1: it's I just I look at Terry McLaurin and I
Speaker 1: tried to personalize it, and I'm thinking, he's been a
Speaker 1: good guy, he's been productive, he was the star. He is,
Speaker 1: to a large degree, is the one thing you could
Speaker 1: build Aiden Daniels around, not the old line of the
Speaker 1: run game or tight end. I think you have to
Speaker 1: take care of him. And for the record, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have said this ten years ago, but you can pay
Speaker 1: two weapons now and they're not paying a running back
Speaker 1: big money or a tight end like ten years ago.
Speaker 1: The money was dispersed often more on the defense than offense.
Speaker 1: In New England it was I mean Brady was taking
Speaker 1: cuts in the NFL. Now, the Rams like the Rams,
Speaker 1: the Chiefs, they pay like one defensive player. So I'm
Speaker 1: okay paying two weapons. I'm okay with t Higgins and
Speaker 1: Jamar Chase, I'm okay with it.
Speaker 2: Well, imagine if you're terry too. So you look around
Speaker 2: and you go listen. I'm not even comparing myself to
Speaker 2: Jamar Chase or Ceedee Lamb or Justin Jefferson, but let's
Speaker 2: go dk Metcalf the next year. Guys who early on
Speaker 2: in his career had like the greatest start ever. Last
Speaker 2: couple of years have been weird. The guy that gets
Speaker 2: penalties every game, and Seattle's like, yeah, we're kind of
Speaker 2: out of this business. He said, he asked for a trade.
Speaker 2: I think they were ready to pivot, and he goes, well,
Speaker 2: he just gets one hundred and fifty million dollars and
Speaker 2: sixty seventy million dollars in guaranteed, and he's a question
Speaker 2: mark of like can you corral this guy? He's like
Speaker 2: a better version of some of these crazy guys. I
Speaker 2: am everything you would want, character check all these boxes
Speaker 2: and I produce and I can't get you. Guys won't
Speaker 2: even offer me anything. So they want him, and it's
Speaker 2: the NFL. It's cut thrown. I totally understand it, but
Speaker 2: I think they want him just to play this season
Speaker 2: on the fifteen million dollars and then evaluate after that. Now,
Speaker 2: this is this isn't the NBA, right when these guys
Speaker 2: ask for trades like you don't just he's gone, Like
Speaker 2: that's not how they're going to operate. And I think
Speaker 2: these guys know now that they'll get fined and they
Speaker 2: can't take them back. So they show up so they
Speaker 2: don't get fifty thousand dollars a day, but they don't
Speaker 2: really have to do anything. But is it worth having
Speaker 2: this guy who's kind of the heartbeat of your one
Speaker 2: of the heart beats team got being mad in a
Speaker 2: weird mood like the expectations for Washington. This is why
Speaker 2: it's hard. And all these coaches say, what happened last
Speaker 2: year is kind of irrelevant this year because guys want
Speaker 2: to get paid. Guys got injured, some guys are gone,
Speaker 2: but every team is they had nothing but good vibes
Speaker 2: last year. Now this year it's like huh yeah no.
Speaker 1: And the other thing is, this is not the NBA
Speaker 1: where it's hard to name a player whose career was
Speaker 1: ended because of an injury. It's the same in baseball
Speaker 1: outside of pitchers and arms. I mean, baseball careers can
Speaker 1: last forever. In football, it's just one shot to the knee.
Speaker 1: You're not the same wide receiver. So like I get
Speaker 1: the psychology of mclaurin's, Like, bro, I'm taking I take
Speaker 1: hits at practice. Like we can all name ten pro
Speaker 1: football careers have been ended early because of injuries. It
Speaker 1: doesn't happen in basketball and baseball or hockey as much.
Speaker 1: So I get mclaurin's. There's a certain insecurity about football players.
Speaker 1: I get I want to get paid.
Speaker 2: Totally, and I think they see it at training camp
Speaker 2: and we're numb to it as fans and coaches and
Speaker 2: gms don't care. But you see guys every single day.
Speaker 2: So and so shattered his leg, so and so ripped
Speaker 2: his achilles a lot of times. It's like the seventy
Speaker 2: fifth man, So no one cares. Those players are standing
Speaker 2: there right in that drill and see the cart come out,
Speaker 2: and they knew that guy help. It might be their buddy.
Speaker 2: They might have been eating lunch with them, was on
Speaker 2: the practice squad, They've been hanging out with them for
Speaker 2: a couple of years. They see that cart leaving with
Speaker 2: his helmet, they go, his career could be over, and
Speaker 2: then a couple of days later he's waved injured. And
Speaker 2: so for every time that we see well, because I
Speaker 2: always say this, most good players see the majority of
Speaker 2: their contract, like Russell Wilson is kind of an outline
Speaker 2: if you look at the landscape of the league, all
Speaker 2: the top players. Because we haven't had catastrophic injury to
Speaker 2: a lot of the top players in recent years, they're
Speaker 2: seeing all the guaranteed money and the non guaranteed money
Speaker 2: of their contract. But it's just I wouldn't take that
Speaker 2: risk if our any of these guys either, because all
Speaker 2: it takes is one guy fall in India and your
Speaker 2: career is done, or you're just never the same and
Speaker 2: all of a sudden you go from a twenty million
Speaker 2: dollar player to a veteran minimum guy.
Speaker 1: So Mike Brown's the old owner of the Bengals, and
Speaker 1: he kind of lashed out and said, you know, the
Speaker 1: Trey Hendricks and stuff.
Speaker 3: You know, he goes.
Speaker 1: A lot of media makes good points, but a lot
Speaker 1: of media is just talking. And I was thinking about
Speaker 1: it as I was flying from Rhode Island back to
Speaker 1: Chicago tonight. It is hard to have an a level
Speaker 1: quarterback and missed the playoffs. Fourteen of the thirty two
Speaker 1: teams make it, so forty percent of the league makes it.
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, there's an argument, was the most efficient quarterback
Speaker 1: in the league last year. It's much more than Mahomes,
Speaker 1: So there was an argument on a week to week
Speaker 1: basis just efficiency quarterback rating, Burrow was the best.
Speaker 4: Quarterback in the league last year. But think about this
Speaker 4: in an offensive.
Speaker 1: League and they didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: They didn't make it.
Speaker 1: That's almost john impossible in the NFL in twenty twenty
Speaker 1: four to twenty five. If your quarterback, I mean it's
Speaker 1: you don't even have to have a great quarterback. You
Speaker 1: can have a quarterback having a great year. Sam Darnold,
Speaker 1: you're gonna win thirteen twelve, thirteen fourteen games. They didn't
Speaker 1: make the playoffs. And the reason they didn't make the playoffs.
Speaker 1: So you say, well it's the coach, Well then fire him. Well,
Speaker 1: they won't do that because you'd have to pay out
Speaker 1: a couple of years the contract is is we so
Speaker 1: Trey Hendrickson, They literally I think they're thirty second in
Speaker 1: quarterback pressures without Trey Hendrickson like he is their pass
Speaker 1: rush and they're I mean, he's it, He's the pass
Speaker 1: rush and there I mean, listen, Philadelphia can get pressure
Speaker 1: on the quarterback whe or without Jalen Carter. Jalen Carter
Speaker 1: is the game changer. He's like one of one, his
Speaker 1: body type, his quickness, Hendrickson's not great against the run,
Speaker 1: but he is their pass rush. But this is like
Speaker 1: the fourth straight year. There's a contract squabble here, there's
Speaker 1: there's a third straight year. Do you think if Cincinnati
Speaker 1: doesn't make the playoffs again and and and will give
Speaker 1: Burrow another great year because he's a great player. Do
Speaker 1: you think Burrow would just say just go scorts to
Speaker 1: Earth and.
Speaker 4: Say because I do.
Speaker 3: I think.
Speaker 1: I think Joe is bright, self aware. You're starting to
Speaker 1: see him now do stuff in Paris in the offseason.
Speaker 1: He is so frustrated with the organization, he gets away
Speaker 1: from it, like he goes abroad. He's not gonna stay
Speaker 1: in Ohio. I think if they I think they're the
Speaker 1: fascinating team. If Cincinnati misses the playoffs, I think Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow and his representatives may get ugly.
Speaker 2: The problem is we've seen how Mike Brown operates in
Speaker 2: that scenario, he just tells you to kick rocks. Either
Speaker 2: with Carson Palmer, He's done it this offseason, He's done
Speaker 2: it in years past. I think they like the Bears last year,
Speaker 2: it's like, you should have fired I Reflute, you could
Speaker 2: have hired Mike Vrabel and you're probably a playoff team
Speaker 2: in Caleb No one, We're not even talking about it.
Speaker 2: He's just solid, right, he just would have worked. And
Speaker 2: this offseason the Chargers went through this forever like Anthony Lynn,
Speaker 2: Mike McCoy, Brandon Staley says, hire a real coach. What
Speaker 2: did they finally do Jim Harbaugh? Who does everyone boughts
Speaker 2: for the last two years? The Chargers Why because they
Speaker 2: got a real coach and this is a team. Imagine
Speaker 2: if they had fired Zach Taylor last year. Like obviously
Speaker 2: the Bears being in Chicago is a hard job to
Speaker 2: pass up, especially they're gonna pay a lot of money.
Speaker 2: But to coach Joe Burrow, I mean, I'm sorry, like
Speaker 2: you're kind of remembered on wins and losses, not just
Speaker 2: like well I coached the Bears. Well if you lost,
Speaker 2: no one cares, right, no one's really talking about Matt Maggie, right,
Speaker 2: he would rather coach Joe Burrow than mis Tubisky. So
Speaker 2: does do they get Ben Johnson to just Mike Vrabel, like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I want that job over Drake. It's Joe Burrow. So
Speaker 2: I think that it's hard to overcome this when you
Speaker 2: hire chief coaches, and that's kind of listen. Zach Taylor's
Speaker 2: probably a nice guy, and you know, solid NFL mind,
Speaker 2: but we're not talking Sean McVay, Kyle Shanning. He's not
Speaker 2: super dynamic. The organization isn't super dynamic. But you can
Speaker 2: overcome that. Like, no one ever said that about the
Speaker 2: Chargers till they got Jim Harbaugh and then they said
Speaker 2: Jim Harba said to listen, but you want me, I
Speaker 2: need X, Y and Z. And now they're paying big
Speaker 2: money for all these people and you feel.
Speaker 3: Good about them.
Speaker 1: But the difference is the LA market and the deal
Speaker 1: that Dean Spanos has, you know, like the dollar a
Speaker 1: year lease is they are swimming in cash because the
Speaker 1: LA market drives so much revenue. Cincinnati doesn't. Their game
Speaker 1: day revenue is near the bottom of the league. So
Speaker 1: Brown won't pay fifteen million for a coach and twenty
Speaker 1: four million for a staff. I don't think they'll pay
Speaker 1: half that, whereas Spanos can go listen so.
Speaker 4: Far as a bank so far is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Or if they won't, Joe Burrow's got to ask out then
Speaker 2: soon because you know, or their team's good enough they
Speaker 2: can overcome it. But if that's the case, they go
Speaker 2: nine to eight and they miss it again, it's clear
Speaker 2: that their coaching staff sucks. They fire them, and then
Speaker 2: next year, whoever the hot guy is, they end up
Speaker 2: with a third tier guy. It's like, you gotta get
Speaker 2: out because this is we've seen this song and dance.
Speaker 2: I saw Antonio Gates point at Philip Rivers. Let's face it.
Speaker 2: I mean, they didn't exactly have the greatest coaches a
Speaker 2: lot of their prime I mean, can you imagine if
Speaker 2: those two guys would have had a Sean McVay, Kyle Shanahana,
Speaker 2: Kevin o'k who knows the way we talk about that
Speaker 2: run of like I remember those four out of the
Speaker 2: last seven years the Chargers have been in the championship
Speaker 2: game and made a couple of Super Bowls. And that's
Speaker 2: the difference of just like, oh that one time Joe
Speaker 2: Burrow made the Super Bowl or he's going competing to
Speaker 2: go to the Super Bowl every single year. So you
Speaker 2: would have to short the Browns or excuse me, the
Speaker 2: Bengals because usually an owner old guy like Jerry. I've
Speaker 2: known a lot of older businessmen that usually don't become
Speaker 2: more open minded in their mid seventies. That's not how
Speaker 2: it works, so this is not changing with the Brown family.
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Speaker 1: So just from Afar, you know you have to be
Speaker 1: careful about OTA's and mini camps and camps. So the
Speaker 1: mica thing from Afar feels like a circus. But when
Speaker 1: you're covering it, does it feel like a circus?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: I mean I've seen a circus, and it involved Terrell
Speaker 5: Owens and his arrival here and the cryo chamber or
Speaker 5: whatever he had, the barometric pressure that he brought out,
Speaker 5: all the weird stuff he had that was circus like.
Speaker 5: But yeah, this is it's a circus from the outside
Speaker 5: and here because you have the star player out there. Yesterday,
Speaker 5: I got out early to practice and watched him and
Speaker 5: he did not wear his team issued jersey, which Schottenheimer
Speaker 5: wanted him to wear, and then they went and talked
Speaker 5: to him and convinced him to put on his jersey.
Speaker 5: But I'm just no, matter what's happening in camp, it's
Speaker 5: like looms over everything. And so I have been at
Speaker 5: Camp four when there's a big thing going on in
Speaker 5: a huge trade.
Speaker 3: I remember the Eagles beat the.
Speaker 5: Cowboys to Ocean Wah, you know, the big the cornerback
Speaker 5: that Nomdae Oceanwah one year, and boy Jerry's beating over
Speaker 5: that deal because he was trying to get a deal
Speaker 5: and that was all happening in real time, but we
Speaker 5: watched it all happening.
Speaker 3: And this is a little bit like that.
Speaker 2: In that daily we're.
Speaker 5: Spending as much time with our cameras in our eyes
Speaker 5: on Micah as we are what's happening on the field.
Speaker 5: It's too bad because I think while Micah Shodenheimer have
Speaker 5: really developed a nice report, I feel like it's overshadowing
Speaker 5: and somewhat undermining his full operation.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean lost in all of it is the
Speaker 1: fact that George Pickens a really difficult guy to cover.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's very He's a very gifted guy. Emotional,
Speaker 1: can be juvenile, but with Ceedee Lamb and George pick
Speaker 1: it's just pure in terms of pure talent. Those are
Speaker 1: tremendously gifted receivers. What are we getting from that side
Speaker 1: of the football? Football related Dak CD and.
Speaker 5: Pickens, you know, I would say, and we had a
Speaker 5: good long visit with Pickens yesterday doing our Doomsday podcast.
Speaker 5: We had murder and you talk about a guy who
Speaker 5: is in heaven.
Speaker 3: I mean it's remarkable.
Speaker 5: And he and CD together, it's the best duo they've
Speaker 5: had in many years. You know, CD and Amari Cooper
Speaker 5: were together. I think there's the potential because now CD's
Speaker 5: older and he's become a superstar, and Pickens is in
Speaker 5: such a good headspace because he needed to get out
Speaker 5: of Pittsburgh it's a contract year. It's just like the
Speaker 5: opposite of Micah's thing. Micah is just this all this
Speaker 5: drama George could not.
Speaker 3: Be had, and he believes that he's in. You know,
Speaker 3: I know we go back and forth on what Dak.
Speaker 5: Prescott is, but what Dak Prescott is is way better
Speaker 5: than anything the Steelers have had the past three seasons,
Speaker 5: and so pull yesterday he said, I'm gonna go for
Speaker 5: twelve hundred yards this season, and I wouldn't I wouldn't
Speaker 5: doubt it because one thing they're trying to do is
Speaker 5: instead of just throwing fades and vertical routes and go routes,
Speaker 5: because they're hitting him on bubble.
Speaker 3: Screens, drags crossers.
Speaker 5: And I even watched him yesterday there was some something
Speaker 5: the Cowboys do like on a rub route to get
Speaker 5: CD open.
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just telling you.
Speaker 5: This guy is the happiest guy in camp like that.
Speaker 5: I came away from that George Pickens interview thinking I
Speaker 5: have not seen you know, te O is always brooding
Speaker 5: and weird, and again I had a really rough relationship
Speaker 5: with him and all that, but this guy is just beaming.
Speaker 3: Now I get it.
Speaker 5: Let's let's see how he is when they don't prow
Speaker 5: to him for whole game or something like that. But
Speaker 5: right now, man, that those connections look good and what
Speaker 5: it's done, it's freed up whoever's going to be. Third
Speaker 5: wide receiver Jalen Tolbert Meingingo, Jalen Brooks, Like those guys
Speaker 5: now have less pressure on them. And like yesterday, two
Speaker 5: of those guys made like incredible circus catches And I
Speaker 5: just think they have less pressure because they you have
Speaker 5: two stars and they can just go be.
Speaker 3: That's what Aikman always used.
Speaker 5: To tell me, is that he cared more about the
Speaker 5: third receiver than he did the second receiver. And what
Speaker 5: it was is he just felt like with Alvin Harper
Speaker 5: and Michael they paid so much attention that Chilvin Martin
Speaker 5: was his favorite guy because he knew he was always
Speaker 5: going to reopen.
Speaker 3: So anyway, I would say right.
Speaker 5: Now the receiving, the receivers plus the quarterback, that's a
Speaker 5: very positive thing about this camp.
Speaker 1: Well, the Live Tour makes it stop in Chicago. Just
Speaker 1: part of the journey of Live and it's unique style
Speaker 1: and its popularity. And anybody that listens to me knows
Speaker 1: that I have supported the Live Tour from the beginning.
Speaker 1: I never loved the way the PGA Tour, which was
Speaker 1: officially a charity, treated some of its golfers. And I
Speaker 1: had said for years that Greg Norman's and Phil Mickelson's
Speaker 1: had verbally come out and said they were disappointed, and
Speaker 1: so when they left, I supported them and still do.
Speaker 1: Kevin naw also made that decision. And you know, when
Speaker 1: I defended live golfers, one of the things I said was,
Speaker 1: you know, these guys grew up wanting to be on
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. They dreamt of the US Open and
Speaker 1: Pebble Beach and the Masters. So this was a hard decision.
Speaker 1: A lot of people looked at the dollars and said, well,
Speaker 1: it's easy now. When you have a dream and you
Speaker 1: land it, it's hard to separate you from that dream.
Speaker 1: Do you remember, Kevin, the day, the week, the car
Speaker 1: ride when you and your family decided I'm going to
Speaker 1: leave the PGA to two And do you remember the
Speaker 1: emotional moment of that, the epiphany.
Speaker 2: Yes, I do.
Speaker 7: It wasn't an easy decision. I thought about it for
Speaker 7: for weeks. I just discussed it with my team, my
Speaker 7: family and even you know, I haven't had a top
Speaker 7: with jam onhand before I left, Like I literally called them,
Speaker 7: you know, with the pape when I had the offer
Speaker 7: and I had the contract, and I waited a bunch
Speaker 7: of options. But at the time, there were some of
Speaker 7: the things that some of the players would have would
Speaker 7: wanted to see changing the PGA Tour, the direction of
Speaker 7: the PEDIA Tour, wanted to go, and none of those
Speaker 7: things were happening. And when this living the lead was
Speaker 7: forming and the offers were going out, and it was
Speaker 7: a great opportunity for me because I played the PGA
Speaker 7: Tour for nineteen years and I love it. I loved
Speaker 7: every minute of it, and I was grateful to be there.
Speaker 7: I enjoyed it. It was a great platform for me
Speaker 7: to play, and I'm grateful and thankful. But when this
Speaker 7: opportunity came along to play this team style with individual
Speaker 7: team play around the world and at the same time,
Speaker 7: you know, have some security, not that I didn't with
Speaker 7: Pediatur you know, I was pretty successful out there as well,
Speaker 7: but it sound like it was a new challenge and
Speaker 7: it was exciting and a lot of the great names
Speaker 7: of the game of the golf were joining, and I
Speaker 7: wanted to be a part of it. I wanted to
Speaker 7: be a part of this new adventure and that's the
Speaker 7: reason why I made the job.
Speaker 1: You know, I think they're initially in Like any change
Speaker 1: in life, there's animosity. People don't like change. In America,
Speaker 1: forty percent of Americans never live outside of the area
Speaker 1: code they were born in. Isn't that crazy? So so
Speaker 1: when there was change, I remember going on the air
Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, there's going to be some animosity, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be some emotion with it. Did do you think
Speaker 1: that's dissipated over the last year, that that initial shock
Speaker 1: is now Well, I can watch the Shambo at this tournament,
Speaker 1: I can watch Kevin Nall here. Is that there's a
Speaker 1: realization that this is what's happening in all business.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think in the beginning, you know, like you said,
Speaker 7: people are not comfortable with change.
Speaker 2: And when we were.
Speaker 7: Making this chump, you know, the PGA tour, a lot
Speaker 7: of the media, you know, they said it's not going
Speaker 7: to happen, They're going to fold in six months, four months.
Speaker 7: You know, it's never going to last. But we've the
Speaker 7: league has proven that we're sticking around. And you know,
Speaker 7: and when our players, you know Brooks want a major
Speaker 7: rice and want a major when you know playing live
Speaker 7: and where, and these guys are still playing well in
Speaker 7: major championship and showing good performance and watching us grow.
Speaker 7: They're starting to realize that we're not doing and we're
Speaker 7: sticking around. And that's the same time when the PGA
Speaker 7: Tour is asking for investment from p IF. Then you
Speaker 7: know all those you know.
Speaker 2: At tacks of.
Speaker 7: Towards the players that made the first jump is kind
Speaker 7: of it's been silenced a little bit.
Speaker 1: I've always loved Phil Micholson and I read a I
Speaker 1: don't think there's a book about him.
Speaker 4: I don't think he loves the book.
Speaker 1: But I loved him more when I read the book
Speaker 1: because he's so unapologic, unapologetically Phil Mickelson. And there was
Speaker 1: a point in his life he probably he probably ate
Speaker 1: a little too much. He was a little more obnoxious
Speaker 1: with tour members. Michelson's a character and but what I
Speaker 1: love about him he leans into it. Now now you're
Speaker 1: getting the older, more mature, wiser Phil Mickelson. Have you
Speaker 1: watched him chain, I guess have you seen the change
Speaker 1: in Phil in the last twenty years when you've been
Speaker 1: around him ever, played with him, played against him.
Speaker 4: Have you seen it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've seen skinny Phil, shot Phil, gambling, Phil, drinking Phil. Look,
Speaker 7: he's been nothing but great to me. First time I
Speaker 7: played with him, I was twenty one years old. We
Speaker 7: played in the final group. That's the first time I
Speaker 7: put it in the final group at the Phoenix Open.
Speaker 7: He ended up winning the term and I finished second.
Speaker 7: And he's been nothing but great to him. You can
Speaker 7: always go go to in ask for any advice, whether
Speaker 7: it's golf, game, life, meeting you want, he would give
Speaker 7: you his time, his sincerity. He's been nothing too great.
Speaker 7: I think he is the same way right now to
Speaker 7: all the younger kids out here. I think he's a
Speaker 7: great leader. Like whether I don't not. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 7: you can't please everybody, but a lot of the people
Speaker 7: out here respect him, and I personally respect him, and
Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of Phil, and I think what
Speaker 7: he's done for the game of golf we had to
Speaker 7: be thankful for.
Speaker 1: I was not mature enough at twenty two to twenty
Speaker 1: three to be like a professional quarterback in the NFL.
Speaker 1: You know, the leader of a billion dollar franchise. You
Speaker 1: guys are not on a team necessarily, although you are
Speaker 1: the iron Heads on the LIB too now. But Bryson
Speaker 1: de Shamble was a fascinating guy. I didn't love him
Speaker 1: when he came out. I didn't like him. You know,
Speaker 1: the thirteen pieces of bacon, the nine protein shakes. I'm like,
Speaker 1: this feels like he's selling me something. It's too obnoxious.
Speaker 1: He pivoted over the last two years. I find him
Speaker 1: incredibly likable now. And I go back to he was young.
Speaker 1: He was a good looking, big testosterone. Have you noticed
Speaker 1: his personality. He feels a little humbled, a little more,
Speaker 1: a little wiser. But I find him now incredibly likable,
Speaker 1: and I didn't four years ago.
Speaker 7: I always joked to him. I was like, look, I
Speaker 7: was nice to you before you became a big star
Speaker 7: and before you were likable.
Speaker 2: I always liked.
Speaker 7: Him from day one. You know. I remember talking to
Speaker 7: him before when he wasn't playing so good, and you know,
Speaker 7: when he was doing the side straddle, and I'll come
Speaker 7: talk to him about on the putting green, what his
Speaker 7: theories were. And I played with him in the QB
Speaker 7: team play chart shootout. What a year?
Speaker 3: What was this?
Speaker 7: I can't even remember twenty seventeen or eighteen, whatever it was,
Speaker 7: we've teamed up. We finished third, and I got to
Speaker 7: know him pretty well then, how he played the game
Speaker 7: and what his you know, all these calculations that he made,
Speaker 7: and it was it was fascinating him. He would calculate
Speaker 7: puts off the green from what the fairies were running
Speaker 7: at stemp, and then from the green on to the
Speaker 7: hole that how many feet that is and that stemp
Speaker 7: and he would with the slope and you would say,
Speaker 7: this put's playing forty seven feet and he did and
Speaker 7: hit it like perfect speed or make it and it
Speaker 7: was incredible. But I think people got to know him
Speaker 7: and watch him mature and grow up and became this likable,
Speaker 7: interesting character, and we need more characters like that in
Speaker 7: the golf game. Whether you like him or not, and
Speaker 7: I think most people do like him. He's he's an
Speaker 7: interesting guy. And what he's done with his body and
Speaker 7: his game, the transformation that he's gone through, it's incredible.
Speaker 7: He's an incredibly talented player. I always enjoyed my conversations
Speaker 7: with him. But look, you know, when you're twenty one,
Speaker 7: twenty two and you're a millionaire, and you know, you
Speaker 7: think you have the world bides you know, you know,
Speaker 7: it's a little bit of a growing I bet that
Speaker 7: was the same way when I was young. There you
Speaker 7: and I turned pro at seventeen and got on the
Speaker 7: tour when I was twenty. You know, when you're county
Speaker 7: and but you need a little bit of that to
Speaker 7: make it so. I think if you kind of look
Speaker 7: at that and get to understand the guy and get
Speaker 7: to understand the players, I mean, we're not We're much
Speaker 7: better than football and other other sports. I mean, we're
Speaker 7: much more mature and more well behaved, i'd say, but
Speaker 7: it's I think we watched him grow up.
Speaker 1: There's a legendary piece of footage. I'm talking to Kevin
Speaker 1: Naw about you and Tiger Woods when your speak play
Speaker 1: after you hit the pot and he does the same
Speaker 1: thing Tiger. There's only two athletes in my lifetime, Tiger
Speaker 1: Woods and Michael Jordan. That literally changed how I watched TV.
Speaker 1: I would cancel stuff on a Sunday to watch Tiger Woods. Yeah,
Speaker 1: do you think that was it?
Speaker 4: You know, it was sort of.
Speaker 1: It wasn't obviously pre internet, but it was a pre
Speaker 1: TikTok golf felt those games felt those tournaments with Tiger,
Speaker 1: it just felt like otherworldly. You think golf will ever
Speaker 1: have that again?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I think Bryson is his closest
Speaker 7: to you know, the excitement. I think Rory's pretty exciting.
Speaker 7: I think Rom's pretty exciting, and Jouquin's becoming that player
Speaker 7: as well. I think there's different characters of the game
Speaker 7: that bring that kind of energy. Obviously, Tiger was you know,
Speaker 7: his dominating in his you know, his power, and he's
Speaker 7: blowing the field a way and you know, even though
Speaker 7: he's four back with nine to Plague, they're like, oh,
Speaker 7: he's got to win. You know, he's gonna go on
Speaker 7: this crazy run. And I remember watching as a kid
Speaker 7: and I'm I mean, you know, being a fan of Tiger,
Speaker 7: it's it's incredible. I mean, but I think there are
Speaker 7: characters that can follow his footsteps or become maybe not
Speaker 7: that Tiger Wood's icon level, but you know, up close
Speaker 7: to that level, and we can have three or four
Speaker 7: guys kind of equal tighter, you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: But I think golf has become more more entertaining, more
Speaker 7: exciting than than before. Back in nineties, I grew up
Speaker 7: watching golf, you know, in the nineties, you know, and
Speaker 7: you know I became a pro in the early two
Speaker 7: thousand and I played all these with these guys on
Speaker 7: the senior tour that's playing now. And I think golf
Speaker 7: has become more entertaining. I mean there's more characters of
Speaker 7: the game. I mean you got you know, Bryce and
Speaker 7: that bombs and cuts corners. You got Rovery also, you
Speaker 7: know Scotti, Shaffer getting arrested.
Speaker 2: I mean there's I think it's entertaining.
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we have some John Daily, you
Speaker 7: know the you know, the former John Days of the
Speaker 7: guys right now. Look, I think golf is in a
Speaker 7: good place. Accept this division. I think once this we
Speaker 7: find a way to get the players back together more often.
Speaker 7: I think I think golf is going to go up
Speaker 7: another level. The volume