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Speaker 1: I tend to think McCarthy's going to fall into that.

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Speaker 2: I do think though he you know, brock Purdy got

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: The good thing is you can get better, right He

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Speaker 2: You Belichick talked about this for a long time, the

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Speaker 2: I feel like a part of the reporting. It's not

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Speaker 2: I think they want him just to play this season

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Speaker 4: Say because I do.

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Speaker 2: The problem is we've seen how Mike Brown operates in

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Speaker 2: I think that it's hard to overcome this when you

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Speaker 3: Good about them.

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Speaker 2: Or if they won't, Joe Burrow's got to ask out then

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Speaker 5: Cowboys to Ocean Wah, you know, the big the cornerback

431
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Speaker 5: that Nomdae Oceanwah one year, and boy Jerry's beating over

432
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Speaker 5: that deal because he was trying to get a deal

433
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Speaker 5: and that was all happening in real time, but we

434
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Speaker 5: watched it all happening.

435
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Speaker 3: And this is a little bit like that.

436
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Speaker 2: In that daily we're.

437
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Speaker 5: Spending as much time with our cameras in our eyes

438
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Speaker 5: on Micah as we are what's happening on the field.

439
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Speaker 5: It's too bad because I think while Micah Shodenheimer have

440
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Speaker 5: really developed a nice report, I feel like it's overshadowing

441
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Speaker 5: and somewhat undermining his full operation.

442
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean lost in all of it is the

443
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Speaker 1: fact that George Pickens a really difficult guy to cover.

444
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's very He's a very gifted guy. Emotional,

445
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Speaker 1: can be juvenile, but with Ceedee Lamb and George pick

446
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Speaker 1: it's just pure in terms of pure talent. Those are

447
00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:08,480
Speaker 1: tremendously gifted receivers. What are we getting from that side

448
00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: of the football? Football related Dak CD and.

449
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Speaker 5: Pickens, you know, I would say, and we had a

450
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Speaker 5: good long visit with Pickens yesterday doing our Doomsday podcast.

451
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Speaker 5: We had murder and you talk about a guy who

452
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Speaker 5: is in heaven.

453
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Speaker 3: I mean it's remarkable.

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Speaker 5: And he and CD together, it's the best duo they've

455
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Speaker 5: had in many years. You know, CD and Amari Cooper

456
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Speaker 5: were together. I think there's the potential because now CD's

457
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Speaker 5: older and he's become a superstar, and Pickens is in

458
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Speaker 5: such a good headspace because he needed to get out

459
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Speaker 5: of Pittsburgh it's a contract year. It's just like the

460
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Speaker 5: opposite of Micah's thing. Micah is just this all this

461
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Speaker 5: drama George could not.

462
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Speaker 3: Be had, and he believes that he's in. You know,

463
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Speaker 3: I know we go back and forth on what Dak.

464
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Speaker 5: Prescott is, but what Dak Prescott is is way better

465
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Speaker 5: than anything the Steelers have had the past three seasons,

466
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Speaker 5: and so pull yesterday he said, I'm gonna go for

467
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Speaker 5: twelve hundred yards this season, and I wouldn't I wouldn't

468
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Speaker 5: doubt it because one thing they're trying to do is

469
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Speaker 5: instead of just throwing fades and vertical routes and go routes,

470
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Speaker 5: because they're hitting him on bubble.

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Speaker 3: Screens, drags crossers.

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Speaker 5: And I even watched him yesterday there was some something

473
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Speaker 5: the Cowboys do like on a rub route to get

474
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Speaker 5: CD open.

475
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Speaker 3: I mean, I'm just telling you.

476
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Speaker 5: This guy is the happiest guy in camp like that.

477
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Speaker 5: I came away from that George Pickens interview thinking I

478
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Speaker 5: have not seen you know, te O is always brooding

479
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Speaker 5: and weird, and again I had a really rough relationship

480
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Speaker 5: with him and all that, but this guy is just beaming.

481
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Speaker 3: Now I get it.

482
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Speaker 5: Let's let's see how he is when they don't prow

483
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Speaker 5: to him for whole game or something like that. But

484
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Speaker 5: right now, man, that those connections look good and what

485
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 5: it's done, it's freed up whoever's going to be. Third

486
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Speaker 5: wide receiver Jalen Tolbert Meingingo, Jalen Brooks, Like those guys

487
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 5: now have less pressure on them. And like yesterday, two

488
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 5: of those guys made like incredible circus catches And I

489
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Speaker 5: just think they have less pressure because they you have

490
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Speaker 5: two stars and they can just go be.

491
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Speaker 3: That's what Aikman always used.

492
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Speaker 5: To tell me, is that he cared more about the

493
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Speaker 5: third receiver than he did the second receiver. And what

494
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Speaker 5: it was is he just felt like with Alvin Harper

495
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Speaker 5: and Michael they paid so much attention that Chilvin Martin

496
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Speaker 5: was his favorite guy because he knew he was always

497
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Speaker 5: going to reopen.

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Speaker 3: So anyway, I would say right.

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Speaker 5: Now the receiving, the receivers plus the quarterback, that's a

500
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Speaker 5: very positive thing about this camp.

501
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Speaker 1: Well, the Live Tour makes it stop in Chicago. Just

502
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Speaker 1: part of the journey of Live and it's unique style

503
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Speaker 1: and its popularity. And anybody that listens to me knows

504
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Speaker 1: that I have supported the Live Tour from the beginning.

505
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: I never loved the way the PGA Tour, which was

506
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Speaker 1: officially a charity, treated some of its golfers. And I

507
00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: had said for years that Greg Norman's and Phil Mickelson's

508
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Speaker 1: had verbally come out and said they were disappointed, and

509
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Speaker 1: so when they left, I supported them and still do.

510
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Speaker 1: Kevin naw also made that decision. And you know, when

511
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Speaker 1: I defended live golfers, one of the things I said was,

512
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Speaker 1: you know, these guys grew up wanting to be on

513
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Speaker 1: the PGA Tour. They dreamt of the US Open and

514
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Speaker 1: Pebble Beach and the Masters. So this was a hard decision.

515
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Speaker 1: A lot of people looked at the dollars and said, well,

516
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Speaker 1: it's easy now. When you have a dream and you

517
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Speaker 1: land it, it's hard to separate you from that dream.

518
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Speaker 1: Do you remember, Kevin, the day, the week, the car

519
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Speaker 1: ride when you and your family decided I'm going to

520
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Speaker 1: leave the PGA to two And do you remember the

521
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Speaker 1: emotional moment of that, the epiphany.

522
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do.

523
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Speaker 7: It wasn't an easy decision. I thought about it for

524
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Speaker 7: for weeks. I just discussed it with my team, my

525
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Speaker 7: family and even you know, I haven't had a top

526
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Speaker 7: with jam onhand before I left, Like I literally called them,

527
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Speaker 7: you know, with the pape when I had the offer

528
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Speaker 7: and I had the contract, and I waited a bunch

529
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Speaker 7: of options. But at the time, there were some of

530
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Speaker 7: the things that some of the players would have would

531
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 7: wanted to see changing the PGA Tour, the direction of

532
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 7: the PEDIA Tour, wanted to go, and none of those

533
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 7: things were happening. And when this living the lead was

534
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 7: forming and the offers were going out, and it was

535
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Speaker 7: a great opportunity for me because I played the PGA

536
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Speaker 7: Tour for nineteen years and I love it. I loved

537
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 7: every minute of it, and I was grateful to be there.

538
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 7: I enjoyed it. It was a great platform for me

539
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,239
Speaker 7: to play, and I'm grateful and thankful. But when this

540
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,360
Speaker 7: opportunity came along to play this team style with individual

541
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 7: team play around the world and at the same time,

542
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 7: you know, have some security, not that I didn't with

543
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Speaker 7: Pediatur you know, I was pretty successful out there as well,

544
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Speaker 7: but it sound like it was a new challenge and

545
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 7: it was exciting and a lot of the great names

546
00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,600
Speaker 7: of the game of the golf were joining, and I

547
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 7: wanted to be a part of it. I wanted to

548
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Speaker 7: be a part of this new adventure and that's the

549
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Speaker 7: reason why I made the job.

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Speaker 1: You know, I think they're initially in Like any change

551
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: in life, there's animosity. People don't like change. In America,

552
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:42,280
Speaker 1: forty percent of Americans never live outside of the area

553
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: code they were born in. Isn't that crazy? So so

554
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,720
Speaker 1: when there was change, I remember going on the air

555
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: and saying, yeah, there's going to be some animosity, there's

556
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,360
Speaker 1: gonna be some emotion with it. Did do you think

557
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 1: that's dissipated over the last year, that that initial shock

558
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: is now Well, I can watch the Shambo at this tournament,

559
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 1: I can watch Kevin Nall here. Is that there's a

560
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 1: realization that this is what's happening in all business.

561
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think in the beginning, you know, like you said,

562
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Speaker 7: people are not comfortable with change.

563
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Speaker 2: And when we were.

564
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Speaker 7: Making this chump, you know, the PGA tour, a lot

565
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 7: of the media, you know, they said it's not going

566
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Speaker 7: to happen, They're going to fold in six months, four months.

567
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,439
Speaker 7: You know, it's never going to last. But we've the

568
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 7: league has proven that we're sticking around. And you know,

569
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 7: and when our players, you know Brooks want a major

570
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 7: rice and want a major when you know playing live

571
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 7: and where, and these guys are still playing well in

572
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 7: major championship and showing good performance and watching us grow.

573
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Speaker 7: They're starting to realize that we're not doing and we're

574
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Speaker 7: sticking around. And that's the same time when the PGA

575
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 7: Tour is asking for investment from p IF. Then you

576
00:28:57,480 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 7: know all those you know.

577
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Speaker 2: At tacks of.

578
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Speaker 7: Towards the players that made the first jump is kind

579
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Speaker 7: of it's been silenced a little bit.

580
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Speaker 1: I've always loved Phil Micholson and I read a I

581
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Speaker 1: don't think there's a book about him.

582
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Speaker 4: I don't think he loves the book.

583
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Speaker 1: But I loved him more when I read the book

584
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Speaker 1: because he's so unapologic, unapologetically Phil Mickelson. And there was

585
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Speaker 1: a point in his life he probably he probably ate

586
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: a little too much. He was a little more obnoxious

587
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 1: with tour members. Michelson's a character and but what I

588
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: love about him he leans into it. Now now you're

589
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: getting the older, more mature, wiser Phil Mickelson. Have you

590
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: watched him chain, I guess have you seen the change

591
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Speaker 1: in Phil in the last twenty years when you've been

592
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: around him ever, played with him, played against him.

593
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Speaker 4: Have you seen it?

594
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Speaker 7: Yeah, I've seen skinny Phil, shot Phil, gambling, Phil, drinking Phil. Look,

595
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Speaker 7: he's been nothing but great to me. First time I

596
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Speaker 7: played with him, I was twenty one years old. We

597
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 7: played in the final group. That's the first time I

598
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 7: put it in the final group at the Phoenix Open.

599
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 7: He ended up winning the term and I finished second.

600
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Speaker 7: And he's been nothing but great to him. You can

601
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Speaker 7: always go go to in ask for any advice, whether

602
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 7: it's golf, game, life, meeting you want, he would give

603
00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 7: you his time, his sincerity. He's been nothing too great.

604
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Speaker 7: I think he is the same way right now to

605
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Speaker 7: all the younger kids out here. I think he's a

606
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Speaker 7: great leader. Like whether I don't not. Obviously, you know,

607
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 7: you can't please everybody, but a lot of the people

608
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Speaker 7: out here respect him, and I personally respect him, and

609
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Speaker 7: I'm a big fan of Phil, and I think what

610
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Speaker 7: he's done for the game of golf we had to

611
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Speaker 7: be thankful for.

612
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Speaker 1: I was not mature enough at twenty two to twenty

613
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Speaker 1: three to be like a professional quarterback in the NFL.

614
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Speaker 1: You know, the leader of a billion dollar franchise. You

615
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Speaker 1: guys are not on a team necessarily, although you are

616
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: the iron Heads on the LIB too now. But Bryson

617
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Speaker 1: de Shamble was a fascinating guy. I didn't love him

618
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: when he came out. I didn't like him. You know,

619
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 1: the thirteen pieces of bacon, the nine protein shakes. I'm like,

620
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: this feels like he's selling me something. It's too obnoxious.

621
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Speaker 1: He pivoted over the last two years. I find him

622
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: incredibly likable now. And I go back to he was young.

623
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Speaker 1: He was a good looking, big testosterone. Have you noticed

624
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: his personality. He feels a little humbled, a little more,

625
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: a little wiser. But I find him now incredibly likable,

626
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: and I didn't four years ago.

627
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Speaker 7: I always joked to him. I was like, look, I

628
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 7: was nice to you before you became a big star

629
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Speaker 7: and before you were likable.

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Speaker 2: I always liked.

631
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Speaker 7: Him from day one. You know. I remember talking to

632
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 7: him before when he wasn't playing so good, and you know,

633
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 7: when he was doing the side straddle, and I'll come

634
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Speaker 7: talk to him about on the putting green, what his

635
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 7: theories were. And I played with him in the QB

636
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 7: team play chart shootout. What a year?

637
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Speaker 3: What was this?

638
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Speaker 7: I can't even remember twenty seventeen or eighteen, whatever it was,

639
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 7: we've teamed up. We finished third, and I got to

640
00:32:12,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 7: know him pretty well then, how he played the game

641
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 7: and what his you know, all these calculations that he made,

642
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 7: and it was it was fascinating him. He would calculate

643
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 7: puts off the green from what the fairies were running

644
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 7: at stemp, and then from the green on to the

645
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Speaker 7: hole that how many feet that is and that stemp

646
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Speaker 7: and he would with the slope and you would say,

647
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Speaker 7: this put's playing forty seven feet and he did and

648
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Speaker 7: hit it like perfect speed or make it and it

649
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Speaker 7: was incredible. But I think people got to know him

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00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 7: and watch him mature and grow up and became this likable,

651
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 7: interesting character, and we need more characters like that in

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Speaker 7: the golf game. Whether you like him or not, and

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Speaker 7: I think most people do like him. He's he's an

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Speaker 7: interesting guy. And what he's done with his body and

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Speaker 7: his game, the transformation that he's gone through, it's incredible.

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Speaker 7: He's an incredibly talented player. I always enjoyed my conversations

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Speaker 7: with him. But look, you know, when you're twenty one,

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Speaker 7: twenty two and you're a millionaire, and you know, you

659
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Speaker 7: think you have the world bides you know, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a little bit of a growing I bet that

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Speaker 7: was the same way when I was young. There you

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Speaker 7: and I turned pro at seventeen and got on the

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Speaker 7: tour when I was twenty. You know, when you're county

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Speaker 7: and but you need a little bit of that to

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Speaker 7: make it so. I think if you kind of look

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Speaker 7: at that and get to understand the guy and get

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Speaker 7: to understand the players, I mean, we're not We're much

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Speaker 7: better than football and other other sports. I mean, we're

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Speaker 7: much more mature and more well behaved, i'd say, but

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Speaker 7: it's I think we watched him grow up.

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Speaker 1: There's a legendary piece of footage. I'm talking to Kevin

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Speaker 1: Naw about you and Tiger Woods when your speak play

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Speaker 1: after you hit the pot and he does the same

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Speaker 1: thing Tiger. There's only two athletes in my lifetime, Tiger

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Speaker 1: Woods and Michael Jordan. That literally changed how I watched TV.

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Speaker 1: I would cancel stuff on a Sunday to watch Tiger Woods. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: do you think that was it?

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Speaker 4: You know, it was sort of.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't obviously pre internet, but it was a pre

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Speaker 1: TikTok golf felt those games felt those tournaments with Tiger,

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Speaker 1: it just felt like otherworldly. You think golf will ever

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Speaker 1: have that again?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think so. I think Bryson is his closest

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Speaker 7: to you know, the excitement. I think Rory's pretty exciting.

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Speaker 7: I think Rom's pretty exciting, and Jouquin's becoming that player

686
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Speaker 7: as well. I think there's different characters of the game

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Speaker 7: that bring that kind of energy. Obviously, Tiger was you know,

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Speaker 7: his dominating in his you know, his power, and he's

689
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Speaker 7: blowing the field a way and you know, even though

690
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 7: he's four back with nine to Plague, they're like, oh,

691
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Speaker 7: he's got to win. You know, he's gonna go on

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Speaker 7: this crazy run. And I remember watching as a kid

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Speaker 7: and I'm I mean, you know, being a fan of Tiger,

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Speaker 7: it's it's incredible. I mean, but I think there are

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Speaker 7: characters that can follow his footsteps or become maybe not

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Speaker 7: that Tiger Wood's icon level, but you know, up close

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Speaker 7: to that level, and we can have three or four

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Speaker 7: guys kind of equal tighter, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 7: But I think golf has become more more entertaining, more

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Speaker 7: exciting than than before. Back in nineties, I grew up

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Speaker 7: watching golf, you know, in the nineties, you know, and

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Speaker 7: you know I became a pro in the early two

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Speaker 7: thousand and I played all these with these guys on

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Speaker 7: the senior tour that's playing now. And I think golf

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Speaker 7: has become more entertaining. I mean there's more characters of

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Speaker 7: the game. I mean you got you know, Bryce and

707
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 7: that bombs and cuts corners. You got Rovery also, you

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Speaker 7: know Scotti, Shaffer getting arrested.

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Speaker 2: I mean there's I think it's entertaining.

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Speaker 7: I mean, you know, we have some John Daily, you

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Speaker 7: know the you know, the former John Days of the

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Speaker 7: guys right now. Look, I think golf is in a

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Speaker 7: good place. Accept this division. I think once this we

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Speaker 7: find a way to get the players back together more often.

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Speaker 7: I think I think golf is going to go up

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Speaker 7: another level. The volume