Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises, SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on.
Speaker 3: These are our stories. Done done yay? Another episode of
Speaker 3: that s Messed Up? An SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: My name is Lisa, my name is Kara, And you know,
Speaker 1: we talk about episodes of SVU. We talk about the
Speaker 1: true crimes they're based on. Sometimes we talk to guests.
Speaker 3: Not today, but that's okay. And at the beginning we do.
Speaker 3: You'll know, you'll know what. You'll get it, you'll get
Speaker 3: what we can't have. I guess did you see?
Speaker 2: There was a why No No writer interview talking about
Speaker 2: a Heather's reboot and she basically just said, well, that
Speaker 2: ship is sale. Yeah, that's a crazy way to say.
Speaker 2: She died two months ago, Like I don't, Well.
Speaker 3: She died two months ago, yeah, Like also, but I
Speaker 3: don't know. First of all, oh, the school shooting of
Speaker 3: it all? Is that?
Speaker 1: What? No?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But does Shannon But does Shannon Doherty's character survive? Casey,
Speaker 1: you would know?
Speaker 2: No, I think all of Yeah, that's another thing, Like
Speaker 2: that's the.
Speaker 1: Thing because the main Heather died like the main Heather
Speaker 1: died really young of like some kind of cancer. So
Speaker 1: but it's not like they would bring back the old
Speaker 1: Heathers because unless it's.
Speaker 2: Like, well they redid that TV show. Brandon Scannell was
Speaker 2: in it. There wasn't a TV show reboot, but it
Speaker 2: got fucked over because of the state of the world.
Speaker 3: Yes, I watched every school.
Speaker 1: I watched every episode of it, and then I think
Speaker 1: I had Brendan Scanell send me the episode that they
Speaker 1: didn't air because I was like, I have to know.
Speaker 3: How it ends.
Speaker 2: The fashion was very like forward and fun, you know,
Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, it was a bit.
Speaker 3: It was fun. There was a boy Heather like, it
Speaker 3: was great.
Speaker 2: Well, I started watching a show on the plane I'd
Speaker 2: like to bring up called Else Elsebeth.
Speaker 3: I just saw your story about this and was like,
Speaker 3: you haven't heard of it. I no, I've heard of it.
Speaker 1: You have what have you heard? So what are you
Speaker 1: hear randomly heard of it? Who's in it?
Speaker 2: Carrie Preston, Yes, yes, yes so, but it's the people.
Speaker 2: So it's it seems like it's this married couple Michelle
Speaker 2: and something King and they run us.
Speaker 3: They basically run CBS hold on.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, they are the people that run evil the
Speaker 1: show that me and Jeredy.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, not only are they evil, they're the good
Speaker 2: fight and they're the good wife. Mm, that's a good run. Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's incredible. But anyways, so Elsbeth. It's crime but fun.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like only murders where it's like you're
Speaker 2: not actually scared, like it's and you see who does
Speaker 2: it in the first moment. And then she's not a cop.
Speaker 2: She comes in from Chicago to New York, and she's
Speaker 2: so happy to be in New York. She's like so pumped,
Speaker 2: but she's annoying and her thing is she's been sent
Speaker 2: by the Department of Justice to watch the police because
Speaker 2: they've been misbehaving. But she is just really good at
Speaker 2: solving the crimes and she solves them. But the guest actresses,
Speaker 2: I'm saying Krakowski with jam Jane Kurkowski, Retta, one of
Speaker 2: the guys from Modern Family. I'm just saying, the guest
Speaker 2: stars are great too. Wow, And so I don't.
Speaker 1: Know, it sounds right in my wheelhouse. She is also
Speaker 1: an SVU alum Carrie Preston. I love her. She's from
Speaker 1: Claws on other Kara show. She's also married to Michael Emerson,
Speaker 1: who was an SVU alum and who is a.
Speaker 3: Star of Evil.
Speaker 1: So a lot of people running the running the CBS
Speaker 1: world there.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 1: That's so it's so wild to be that there is
Speaker 1: a show on CBS that I even like, and that
Speaker 1: now you're proposing that there's a second one, you know
Speaker 1: that I could like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like a gray Airplane show. It was
Speaker 2: a detective but it's a little like kooky, it's silly,
Speaker 2: it's but there was that. Oh, Blair Underwood is in
Speaker 2: an episode, so a lot of view alums.
Speaker 3: And man escape the Sview alums. Yeah, my god.
Speaker 2: And one of the episode, oh my god, you're gonna
Speaker 2: lose your mind. So one of the episodes was about
Speaker 2: a Real Housewives franchise and there's like a murder within
Speaker 2: the franchise.
Speaker 3: Ah, and like what are they gonna do? And then
Speaker 3: I wrote it down In the.
Speaker 2: Episode two from Sex and the City, Nina Cats and
Speaker 2: Susan Sharon are in the Real Housewives episode of Elsbeth.
Speaker 3: That's a lot. Is Nina Cats in an SVU. We
Speaker 3: have to check. She's so love Nina Cats. I love
Speaker 3: that actor. That's crazy. Well I got to give it
Speaker 3: a shot.
Speaker 1: That's really fun. I also heard that I've been hearing
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. This is our fall TV round up,
Speaker 1: by the way, very informal, very impromptu, but this is
Speaker 1: what we're doing English Teacher with Brian Jordan Alvarez on Hulu.
Speaker 3: People are saying, is really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited. I'm excited to watch check it out.
Speaker 2: I haven't watched it yet, but I'm excited too. For me,
Speaker 2: I can't wait to watch the Real Moms of Mormon TikTok.
Speaker 3: I know about a show watching.
Speaker 2: I watched Himp Crazy and I started it again and like,
Speaker 2: and then we're gonna get three housewives And I don't know.
Speaker 3: I'm just excited. Like we're in fall. Yeah, we're at
Speaker 3: TV's back.
Speaker 1: So I'm back on. I finally finished season three of
Speaker 1: Only Murders in the Building. I'm two episodes into the
Speaker 1: new season, so I'm getting caught.
Speaker 3: Up on my Only Murders in the Building. They lost me,
Speaker 3: they lost they lost you.
Speaker 2: I only watched a couple of season three, and they
Speaker 2: lost me.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm into it, even though I this might be controversial.
Speaker 1: I really find Selena Gomez's performance to be not good,
Speaker 1: but I really like love the show and I love
Speaker 1: their chemistry that they all three have with each other.
Speaker 3: It's just like it's a lot to hear her just do.
Speaker 1: That monotone all the time. She like barely ever emotes,
Speaker 1: and it's tough. Like I get that that's like the
Speaker 1: character choice, but it's tough to listen to all the time.
Speaker 1: But I'm a big Selena fan. Don't come at me
Speaker 1: sellinators or whatever, and I'm into the show. I'm trying
Speaker 1: to get through that and then I want to start
Speaker 1: this other ship. But I was going to resist Secret
Speaker 1: Lives of Mormon Wives, and now it's just would resists
Speaker 1: it because I you know, I try to just say housewives,
Speaker 1: you know me, I'm constantly like, uh okay, yeah, sure
Speaker 1: I'll watch that one.
Speaker 3: I'll watch that.
Speaker 1: I haven't watched him Crazy yet, like I don't have time.
Speaker 1: So I was going to try to resist it. But
Speaker 1: now it's like it's in the zeitgeist everyone.
Speaker 2: So people are saying there's a villain, like a new
Speaker 2: reality TV villain has emerged. Is the talk on the town,
Speaker 2: Like it's like a level of evil we've never seen. Oh, well,
Speaker 2: because it is the woman that went on TikTok and
Speaker 2: did like a TikTok dance while her baby's in the
Speaker 2: incubator had RSV. So that's clearly a mental patient in
Speaker 2: the worst way possible. I'm saying that if you're confused.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so that's who we're watching, and so I am.
Speaker 2: I'm excited to see the depths of hell.
Speaker 3: I guess.
Speaker 1: But someone was telling me she's not even the worst one,
Speaker 1: that there's.
Speaker 3: So many really, oh, there's an eviler.
Speaker 1: Somebody was like, oh, there's a there's a there's a
Speaker 1: really good character or something. And I go, oh, is
Speaker 1: it the crazy lady that did a dance in front
Speaker 1: of an incubator? And they were like, or in front
Speaker 1: of a respirator whatever it was, And they were like, no,
Speaker 1: she's actually got a bad life. But also the it's
Speaker 1: another person that's the hot one. But we'll see, we'll see.
Speaker 3: I can't wait. I'm gonna watch.
Speaker 1: We did take Rosie to see Beetlejuice Beetlejuice, and and.
Speaker 3: She was very young.
Speaker 1: In the theater, there were other children, but I think
Speaker 1: I had the youngest child.
Speaker 3: Some people were texting me being like, how was it?
Speaker 3: Should I send my kid? I go, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I have a very specific kid. She's a very into
Speaker 3: spooky shit. She liked it, but it is grosser than
Speaker 3: the first one.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of gross stuff and like scary stuff
Speaker 1: or whatever, but not anything that was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what a mistake. The mistake I thought was that they
Speaker 1: showed this preview for a halle Berry movie about her
Speaker 1: two sons and her living in the woods after the
Speaker 1: apocalypse basically, and there are these creatures that are like
Speaker 1: live out in the woods.
Speaker 3: And I had to fully like ear muff and blind.
Speaker 1: And Rosie to that one because she was like ah,
Speaker 1: And I was like, yeah, you should not be watching
Speaker 1: this preview, like this is bad. So I but then
Speaker 1: once you know, I think they figured it out. Who's
Speaker 1: bringing people to the beetleje Who's bring a five year
Speaker 1: old to beetle Juice?
Speaker 3: I am, I am. You guys can't play those previews, but.
Speaker 1: The movie itself, she goes, I go, do you think
Speaker 1: I should tell other people who have kids to go
Speaker 1: to Beetlejuice Juice? She goes, well, if they have both
Speaker 1: their parents with them, because she felt okay because she
Speaker 1: had both of us with her. I sent Oscar off
Speaker 1: to a playdate with his old babysitter who he's obsessed with,
Speaker 1: and she's obsessed with him, and so I was like,
Speaker 1: he's this is too much for him. But we had
Speaker 1: a good time. We had a good time, but there
Speaker 1: were definitely a couple of parts where I just had
Speaker 1: to keep going. I had to go it's it's not real.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not real. This isn't real. Don't worry.
Speaker 3: And she was like okay, So it was fine. What
Speaker 3: are her preferred snacks?
Speaker 1: She likes Eminem's regular Eminem's and candy corn. I mean
Speaker 1: not candy corn, popcorn. Why did I say candy corn?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's yours on the brain. I definite
Speaker 2: only want to do candy corn nail this year.
Speaker 3: Ooh that's a fun idea. Yeah, that's really excited.
Speaker 1: We just went and got a blow up pumpkin guy
Speaker 1: with a mohawk to be on our front lawn. We
Speaker 1: like add one thing to our Halloween like decoration collection
Speaker 1: every year, and this was this year's was a constantly
Speaker 1: being blown up pumpkin man like. It kind of looks
Speaker 1: like David has pumpkins with a pumpkin head and a
Speaker 1: green mohawk.
Speaker 3: I'll send you a picture. I think they want to
Speaker 3: put him up like right now.
Speaker 1: And it's been one hundred and seven degrees in La
Speaker 1: every day the last five days.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I think pumpkin Man will melt, so we
Speaker 3: have to wait.
Speaker 2: But like in my classic summer trend, we uh well,
Speaker 2: me and some people went to Chicago picked a hotel
Speaker 2: with a pool on purpose seventy degrees. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like every time I want to. I got in there,
Speaker 2: but I shivered. I was shivering, but I forced myself in.
Speaker 2: But I'll get the I'll get the pool of my dreams.
Speaker 3: This week, Oh, huge news. I did go to a
Speaker 3: Bears game. I saw that you were okay. It was
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: It was so electric. It was an electric game. I mean,
Speaker 2: I lost my mind. I think my personality is going
Speaker 2: to change this season.
Speaker 3: It was so fun.
Speaker 2: And so Jared Freed's brother is a coach on the Bears.
Speaker 3: He's like the main and I knew it.
Speaker 2: I just didn't know that he's like the main guy
Speaker 2: in the headset, like he's in the booth. He's the
Speaker 2: coach of research and analysis. He's with them and like,
Speaker 2: and then his wife is a sportscaster for Chicago NBC.
Speaker 2: And then we went to a bar after and then
Speaker 2: all the Chicago sports girls after they finished reporting, all
Speaker 2: came there. So we met like the Fox girl, the
Speaker 2: National Guard, like the sideline. My god, So it's really
Speaker 2: they're you know, they were asking such in depth questions.
Speaker 3: It was like really fun to listen.
Speaker 2: I also liked seeing brothers in action, like how they're
Speaker 2: tonally similar and inflections.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2: But in terms of the game, like the best seats
Speaker 2: we were in friends and family seats and so like
Speaker 2: these seats are at least a thousand dollars, I mean,
Speaker 2: such good seats. The game Simone Biles has been scored,
Speaker 2: but we were like losing by a lot and then
Speaker 2: it was just a fucking comeback and the defensive team
Speaker 2: is like out of this world.
Speaker 3: It was really exciting. Wow, and wait, don't say the
Speaker 3: big thing happened.
Speaker 2: Also, it was also the home opener, so it's the
Speaker 2: season opener, the home opener. The weather's nice were in Chicago.
Speaker 2: I mean I couldn't have asked, I guess instead of
Speaker 2: the tight ends. All I could ask for is if
Speaker 2: it was the Chiefs, but like, I don't even know
Speaker 2: if they play, I don't know if they're in the
Speaker 2: same division or you know, I don't know that stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that. Oh. I was on the jumbo tron.
Speaker 2: So I've had this vintage Bart Simpson Bears sweatshirt for years.
Speaker 2: I've never worn it, and it was the time to
Speaker 2: bust it out, and I got on the JumboTron and
Speaker 2: it was thrilling.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: The best was I was with someone who got a
Speaker 2: clear bag. Like they got in trouble for bringing a
Speaker 2: big bag, so they had to buy a clear Bears
Speaker 2: bag and they put all their stuff in it. I
Speaker 2: don't know why they brought all this to a game,
Speaker 2: but the first time we were on the JumboTron, she
Speaker 2: was like put like pumping up her Bear's bag. The
Speaker 2: Matthew Perry book was in the bag facing the camera,
Speaker 2: so like in the clear bag, you just see this
Speaker 2: like sad book in the thing. But my sweatshirt was
Speaker 2: such a hit. The camera man came back and said,
Speaker 2: get your sweatshirt back out. We'll get you back on
Speaker 2: the tron. And so we got and that's when we
Speaker 2: knew to tape ourselves because he came back like my sweatshirt,
Speaker 2: like that's all I wanted. And then I got one
Speaker 2: compliment on the street and I'm like, that is all
Speaker 2: I wanted. But we got to go underneath the arena,
Speaker 2: see all the player's cars, see all the family and
Speaker 2: friends waiting, like you know, and it makes me I've
Speaker 2: never been underneath an arena, so it makes me feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is what Taylor Swift does. Beyonce is
Speaker 2: walking around there like that's where they do their concerts.
Speaker 2: So it was really I was jumping, high fiving. It
Speaker 2: was like an incredible game, exciting close how fine. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was really really fun and I hope the Bear
Speaker 2: continue to succeed now that I have an inside stake
Speaker 2: in all of this, you know what I mean? Watching
Speaker 2: it with people that are related and married to a
Speaker 2: coach is different for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And the people you're sitting with friends and family as well,
Speaker 2: so you're all.
Speaker 3: Connected, so the intensity is fun. Yeah, that's not for chatting.
Speaker 3: That's forna.
Speaker 2: We were chatting, now, that's not it at all. No,
Speaker 2: people were having fun, I think.
Speaker 1: Okay, because that's all I do at professional sports events,
Speaker 1: and I don't know if I'm invited into the friends
Speaker 1: and family because of that.
Speaker 2: Oh if you just sat and tried to have a
Speaker 2: full conversation without watching the game, like, but I don't.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want that, so I don't know who you
Speaker 2: would be talking to. It's just so exciting. But it
Speaker 2: was not strict. No one's in silence. Everyone's jumping, high fiving, screaming. Oh, like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's that's fun. Yeah, it's really that's fun.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you got to do that because football is
Speaker 3: already know with me.
Speaker 2: Oh, I also, and you know, I am a Chicago
Speaker 2: White Sox fan, but I you know, culturally it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like being a jew, Like I'm not religious. They
Speaker 2: are in the running right now to be the worst
Speaker 2: team in history.
Speaker 3: They have lost one hundred and ten games. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: So maybe I'll be able to throw the first pitch
Speaker 2: next year since no one else will want to, like
Speaker 2: I don't. I Yeah, So that was devastating, devastating Chicago news.
Speaker 1: But that is really good silver lining though, Like if
Speaker 1: they suck enough, they'll be like okay. Local comedian Lea's
Speaker 1: a trigger hometown hero.
Speaker 2: And at the hotel I was staying at. You're going
Speaker 2: to be obsessed. There was a pistachio ravioli. Ooh, was
Speaker 2: one of the best things I've ever had, and I
Speaker 2: kept going back for more.
Speaker 3: It was so good. That sounds so good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The bartender went, what our chef does with pistachio is incredible.
Speaker 3: I go that you're an allion. I want to see
Speaker 3: that because I got a pistachio. More to Della breakfast
Speaker 3: sandwich too. Ooh no, is that it really? Yeah? Nice? Hotel?
Speaker 1: Cool?
Speaker 3: Or I mean yeah, I just can't believe in my
Speaker 3: life so many.
Speaker 2: Activities, activities, activities, activities, So I love that amazing. Should
Speaker 2: we get into this, should we get into the whoors
Speaker 2: of our episode?
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's get into it really quick.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we are taking it back to the episode Monogamy,
Speaker 1: Season three, episode eleven. That is what's so cool about
Speaker 1: SVU and this podcast, Like we've been doing it so long,
Speaker 1: we're almost at two hundred episodes, and we still get hits, classics, legendary.
Speaker 3: I like episodes like this. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 3: I don't want to say.
Speaker 1: Favorite, like that seems like a weird like my favorite,
Speaker 1: but it's one of my This one is stuck with
Speaker 1: me for like I always think about this episode.
Speaker 3: And a huge announcement.
Speaker 2: I did get a tv and this is the first
Speaker 2: episode of SVU because even the TVU gave me an
Speaker 2: la was amazing but small, Yes, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It was a small screen. It's like a sockbroker screen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I got like a forty three inch too, which is
Speaker 2: still small, but for New York it's like giants.
Speaker 3: Most of my little room.
Speaker 2: But watching SV on the big screen, it never felt
Speaker 2: better to see John Ritter's big face.
Speaker 3: Sorry spoiler alert, but a spoiler should I not say that?
Speaker 3: I don't know, but no, it's fine.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you got to watch it on in gorgeous
Speaker 1: four K.
Speaker 2: And I got like a swivel mount, so I got
Speaker 2: to sit at my desk, work on the crime and
Speaker 2: just watch it on the big screen. And so this
Speaker 2: is my first s you know, podcast step with like
Speaker 2: my own big love with you.
Speaker 1: Going, Lisa's going off laptop everyone. So this episode starts
Speaker 1: so fucking classic, a classic couple with New Jersey accents fighting,
Speaker 1: and the writers are absolutely making fun of bridge and
Speaker 1: tunnel people here. It's like Tony and Carmela light like
Speaker 1: he's being a cheap skate. He's like, he's like, she goes,
Speaker 1: it's want money to pock an suv and.
Speaker 3: He's like, but it's twenty five bucks.
Speaker 1: That's an entire dinner in Fort Lee, like including pocking.
Speaker 1: Like and he's like, now there's gonna be traffic on
Speaker 1: the GWB and it's like, lady, break up with this guy,
Speaker 1: but also lol. At the two thousand and two pricing
Speaker 1: like forty five bucks to park your HUGSUV in New York.
Speaker 2: Well that's the big king on Instagram now is like
Speaker 2: you know, it's like gold digger fifty to fifty? What
Speaker 2: do you bring to the table? Like that energy is
Speaker 2: on the internet. But the good point I saw I
Speaker 2: was like, it's not about rich or not. It's like,
Speaker 2: are you generous and thoughtful? Like you can be with
Speaker 2: a rich person who's cheap as fuck and controlling and
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter that he's rich, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like yeah, like this guy was like, you're the one
Speaker 1: that wanted to come into the city for like what
Speaker 1: for a culture? Like he doesn't like it, and she's like,
Speaker 1: shut the fuck up, like you're all pissed about parking
Speaker 1: it's forty five bucks, And the woman's like, Kevin, the
Speaker 1: door is all wet. And then he grabs the tip money,
Speaker 1: speaking of not generous and nice to service people, grabs
Speaker 1: the tip money back from the garage attendant and goes,
Speaker 1: what did you get in my car? And then meanwhile
Speaker 1: the girl comes around from the other side and when
Speaker 1: her hands get into the light of the headlights, done done.
Speaker 1: They're covered in blood. So a good opening. We get
Speaker 1: to now the cops have set up a perimeter. Stabler
Speaker 1: speeds up. Benson says that was quick from Queen's and
Speaker 1: Stabler goes, I stayed in the city tonight. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't think Stabler has a Manhattan crash pad, Like,
Speaker 1: what's going on? That's like a weird I've never heard
Speaker 1: of him really staying over in the city, Like with
Speaker 1: who does he have a brother that lives there?
Speaker 3: Like, what's going on?
Speaker 1: We find out about his brothers later in the OC,
Speaker 1: but I don't know that they live in Manhattan. Benson
Speaker 1: and Stabler get a download of the situation from a
Speaker 1: UNI who's like, we found her on the second level.
Speaker 3: She was naked from the waist down. Her name is
Speaker 3: Nicole Manning.
Speaker 1: No robbery, uh cash sixty dollars cash in her wallet.
Speaker 1: She's alive, but it's a real mess. She was bashed
Speaker 1: in the head. Benson's like, I'll ride with the victim, obviously.
Speaker 1: The UNI keeps talking to Stabler, says the blood at
Speaker 1: the scene indicated that she was attacked minutes before she
Speaker 1: was found, and Stabler goes, how many stab wounds? And
Speaker 1: the UNI pauses and looks at Stabler and goes, she
Speaker 1: wasn't stab Detective. And in the ambulance, the EMTs are
Speaker 1: trying to keep Nicole alive. Benson asks did you get
Speaker 1: a look at the guy? And then Nicole starts seizing
Speaker 1: and I look up one of the EMTs because I
Speaker 1: thought I knew him. He kind of had like an
Speaker 1: E vibe from Entourage. Who By the way, I went
Speaker 1: into a gay bar recently that was completely empty in
Speaker 1: the middle of the day and E was standing the
Speaker 1: and then he and then this other weird guy was
Speaker 1: there and he leaves and he goes, did you just
Speaker 1: see him leave?
Speaker 3: And I go who? And he was like that was
Speaker 3: E from Entourage and I go cool.
Speaker 1: He's like I wanted to buy him a drink and
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, well you were being weird and
Speaker 1: so he.
Speaker 3: Left, like anyway, it was a fun little la moment.
Speaker 2: So, oh, I love this guy. I didn't watch Entourage
Speaker 2: Eric Murphy, I don't know. Yeah, I like him. He
Speaker 2: was it's not him, Yeah, Oh, it wasn't him.
Speaker 3: It's not him.
Speaker 1: He was just giving me that vibe of Eric. And
Speaker 1: so I look him up and I'm like, who is
Speaker 1: this guy? That guy's not no, but he was in
Speaker 1: the bar.
Speaker 3: Yes, he was in the bar. I like him from
Speaker 3: he's just not.
Speaker 1: That into you, ah right, right right, And he's like
Speaker 1: a sweet guy in that one.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, he's pretty.
Speaker 1: I would say he's a pretty decent character for Entourage,
Speaker 1: you know. But so I look up both EMTs because
Speaker 1: first I look up the guy I think I know,
Speaker 1: and he's nobody. And then the other one is named
Speaker 1: Derek Kelly. He's been an EMT in a bunch of episodes,
Speaker 1: and guess he's Molly Price aka Susan Sharon, who has
Speaker 1: been on an SVU as the abusive parole officer imparole Violations.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is crazy, Like I delete IMDb connections.
Speaker 3: It's my favorite. Holy shit. Yeah, she's married to this guy,
Speaker 3: Derreck Kelly.
Speaker 1: So anyway, the EMTs explained that she has massive abdominal
Speaker 1: trauma and it looks like an emergency C section.
Speaker 3: Live is like she was pregnant.
Speaker 1: She's shocked, and then Nicole codes and it's like, what's
Speaker 1: going to happen? Back to Stabler asking is there any
Speaker 1: side of the baby? And the UNI goes the sick
Speaker 1: SOB must have taken it with him, So here we
Speaker 1: go credits. That's a wild opening. A woman in a
Speaker 1: parking garage. There's blood all over this random Jersey couples
Speaker 1: SVSUV and then I almost said us for you, And
Speaker 1: then a baby has been ripped out of woman's body.
Speaker 1: At the hospital, the doctor's filling in Benson that the
Speaker 1: cut was made with a dull or serrated blade. Ooh,
Speaker 1: head trauma contusions around the abdomen, like she was kicked.
Speaker 3: Rape kid is positive for fluids. It's not looking good.
Speaker 1: She developed an amniotic embolism, like clots in her lungs
Speaker 1: caught off oxygen to the brain. He explains to her
Speaker 1: that the baby could actually be alive, like she was
Speaker 1: twenty eight weeks so long, which is, you know, seven months,
Speaker 1: so no apparent complications.
Speaker 3: Normal. Wait, it's possible the baby's alive, but not for long.
Speaker 1: So now Stabler is talking to the parking attendant and
Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, she was by herself. I didn't think
Speaker 1: to go with her because this is a safe neighborhood.
Speaker 1: Missus Manning's a monthly customer, so she always gets her
Speaker 1: own car. I would have checked if I heard a
Speaker 1: scream or anything like that, but there is another exit
Speaker 1: entrance like on the other side.
Speaker 3: So now Craigan is with.
Speaker 1: At the hospital with live they spot the husband of
Speaker 1: the victim and Lisa already told us it is John Ritter,
Speaker 1: a huge star, a treasure I am, like, I really
Speaker 1: really love him. He was the star of Three's Company
Speaker 1: Eight Simple Rules for Dating My Teenage Daughter. He died
Speaker 1: at fifty four years old of a heart attack in
Speaker 1: two thousand and three, like really really and like I
Speaker 1: was okay. So in two thousand and four, I was
Speaker 1: watched Wait No, when did I start at the Page program?
Speaker 1: Two thousand and five. I was a page in two
Speaker 1: thousand and five, and I had a cube in my
Speaker 1: desk when I worked at the USA Network, and I
Speaker 1: watched The Cosby Show and ate Simple Rules for Dating
Speaker 1: My Teenage Daughter all day long while I did my work,
Speaker 1: and I watched the episode where his character dies of
Speaker 1: eight Simple Rules. He's married to Katie sagal can'ty Quoco
Speaker 1: was one of his daughters, and I cried so hard. Anyway,
Speaker 1: He's the father of Jason Ritter, who is in the
Speaker 1: episode Dominance, another SVU alum, and he's married to Melanielinsky.
Speaker 1: And then he's also the father of Tyler Ritter, who
Speaker 1: was in a Carvana commercial with me, so equally distinguished
Speaker 1: careers the Two Riders.
Speaker 2: By the way, yesterday I got a text from our
Speaker 2: friend from Atlanta and he sent me the photo of
Speaker 2: you from Kravana.
Speaker 3: Wait, text it to me. I'll put it on the
Speaker 3: Instagram for the for the listeners. Yeah, he reins.
Speaker 1: In the commercial they were cut and so instead it's
Speaker 1: just a lot of focusing on my facial expressions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he wrote, I'd like to bring this back please.
Speaker 2: I'm like, honey, don't I know it? Well, I just
Speaker 2: try saving it, and it said do you want to
Speaker 2: save a duplicate? So I already saved it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will post it the day this episode comes
Speaker 1: out in the mention at all section of our Instagram
Speaker 1: stories highlights. Anyway, I just like fucking love John Ritter huge,
Speaker 1: like up, Phil Hartman, John Ritter, Chris Farley.
Speaker 3: All these people that we just lost to way.
Speaker 1: Too young, and I love him anyway lives like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't rule out this dude, because whoever did this
Speaker 1: was personal. So now John Ritter is in a dark
Speaker 1: room giving them info and they his name is Richard.
Speaker 1: In this episode, Richard was supposed to meet his wife
Speaker 1: Nicole for dinner at seven, and she's usually lates. He
Speaker 1: didn't think much of it when she wasn't there yet.
Speaker 1: Before that, he was in a session with a patient.
Speaker 1: He's a psychiatrist with a practice. Add Down lives like
Speaker 1: there's no easy way to ask this, were you intimate
Speaker 1: with your wife in the past twenty four hours? And
Speaker 1: he's like, no, why, and lives like, well, she may
Speaker 1: have been assaulted. And he asks, and they ask him
Speaker 1: for a blood sample, which she agrees to without question,
Speaker 1: like anything you need. Craigan says, what did you do
Speaker 1: when she didn't show up? And he goes, I tried
Speaker 1: calling her a couple of times, and then after an
Speaker 1: hour I went home. How long would you wait for
Speaker 1: somebody at dinner if they were not showing up, not
Speaker 1: answering text not answering calls, How long would you wait?
Speaker 3: Well, it's not even about waiting. I would already be
Speaker 3: flipping out.
Speaker 2: I'd be texting other people, I'd be calling like, I
Speaker 2: would be searching. I'd probably go to someone's you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like I would be panicking immediately.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like they just did.
Speaker 1: Not that it's the same thing, but they just did
Speaker 1: an episode of Dubai, which I know you're not watching.
Speaker 1: Real House was a Dubai but like one girl just
Speaker 1: doesn't show up for the flight to Dubai and she's
Speaker 1: not answering her phone, and no one's like no one,
Speaker 1: I mean not the flight to Dubai, the flight to
Speaker 1: Bali or some shit, and like they just they're like,
Speaker 1: where is she?
Speaker 3: No one could reach her.
Speaker 1: She's not answering text, she's not answering calls, and they're
Speaker 1: all they're like kind of freaking out, but they're still
Speaker 1: taping a reality show. She does eventually show up, but
Speaker 1: you know, and she was just kind of doing it
Speaker 1: for attention, I think.
Speaker 3: But I yeah, I was like I was like, I
Speaker 3: wonder how long.
Speaker 2: But I could also see myself pulling out Julia Louis
Speaker 2: Dreyfus and like still ordering something.
Speaker 3: To go, like the djub's fruits or whatever.
Speaker 2: But no, I would already start messaging, figuring stuff out,
Speaker 2: calling hospitals. Yeah, like I would be pretty flipped, but
Speaker 2: I don't know how long I would sit and Wai.
Speaker 2: I'd probably eat by myself, Like I wouldn't mind eating
Speaker 2: by myself, you know, right, right right, I'm not gonna
Speaker 2: cook dinner instead, So sure, yeah, I just went home
Speaker 2: and fired up the skillet.
Speaker 3: No, no, of course, like I might still just order. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Anyway, he says he went home and they're like, do
Speaker 1: you know anyone who would want to hurt her? And
Speaker 1: he's like, no, Nicole was a good person. He talked
Speaker 1: about her in past tense. She's not dead.
Speaker 3: Then he catches.
Speaker 1: Himself and goes, she is a good person. I mean,
Speaker 1: the doctors say there's still a chance she'll recover. Benson
Speaker 1: and Craigan share a look. I think that's like a
Speaker 1: full red flag, Like if somebody's like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I loved him. He was so great, it's like, bitch,
Speaker 1: he's not dead yet, you know. So back at the garage,
Speaker 1: a Uni is telling Munch that there are tons of
Speaker 1: prints on the car. We just got to rule out victim,
Speaker 1: friends and family, every valet in the city.
Speaker 3: Like this is not looking great.
Speaker 1: But the car is also for sale, which means she
Speaker 1: might have been having people test drive it. So Finn
Speaker 1: wants to know if there are any sides of the baby.
Speaker 1: No placenta, no cord, there's nothing. The purp also cleaned
Speaker 1: up before he left, using antibacterial hand webs, which means
Speaker 1: he planned ahead, like.
Speaker 3: He knew he was going to do this.
Speaker 1: Maybe the baby was the reason for the attack, like
Speaker 1: he didn't want her debt, he wanted her to suffer.
Speaker 1: Back at the precinct, Benson and Sabler are giving in
Speaker 1: photo deity Kragan and the credit card receipt confirms that
Speaker 1: he was at the restaurant having a drink. Sell a
Speaker 1: phone confirms that he made these calls checking on where
Speaker 1: she was. The rape kit rules them out because it's
Speaker 1: a different blood type, but they got one set of
Speaker 1: prints off the car and it was Kyle Novacheck, and
Speaker 1: he's not a complete lunatic, but he did do time
Speaker 1: for assault three and heroin possession, they say, And Finn's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't really see that kind of violence with heroin
Speaker 1: users unless someone gives him a hot shot and then PCP.
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, that doesn't sound like the kind of
Speaker 1: person who's also going to be cleaning it up with
Speaker 1: antibacterial wipes. But okay, but wow, the writers and directors
Speaker 1: of Workaholics is Kyle knuacheck, Oh, if.
Speaker 3: You like that, I'm not alcoholics curly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, turns out Nicole is an RN at a
Speaker 1: meth clinic, so they're like that can't be a coincidence.
Speaker 1: And then just then Maureen's stabler shows up and she
Speaker 1: looks kind of pissed and needs to talk to her dad.
Speaker 1: Craigan's like, you can use my office. Benson goes, okay,
Speaker 1: well I'm going to hit the clinic. So far, there's
Speaker 1: no sign of the baby, and it's been about twenty seconds,
Speaker 1: so obviously Stabler and Marine are already done with their
Speaker 1: conversation and coming out, and Liv is trying to small
Speaker 1: talk Marine and she's giving very short answers, and then
Speaker 1: Stabler's like, you're going to be late, and he's like,
Speaker 1: please leave so I can fight crime and forget that
Speaker 1: I'm a dad. And then Liv asks is everything okay?
Speaker 1: And Stabler goes yeah and just moves on. So he
Speaker 1: obviously doesn't want to talk about its food.
Speaker 2: Stabler Private Stabler the most annoying, like just tell your partner,
Speaker 2: what's that's the thing, when like, I obviously I saw
Speaker 2: this online.
Speaker 3: Where else would I see things?
Speaker 2: But how men think they don't have emotions or like
Speaker 2: they deal like, oh, we don't talk about you know,
Speaker 2: we don't bother other people's our emotions, Like we we
Speaker 2: suffer in silence, That's what it was like. Yeah, men
Speaker 2: always say like how they suffer in silence, and it's like, well,
Speaker 2: why don't you ask the people around you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How silent you're suffering is because I'm sure it's coming
Speaker 2: out in other psychotic ways. Yeah, like are you I
Speaker 2: don't know, slamming the door?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, these little things, So it's stabler. It's like
Speaker 2: you're if you truly were able, like no one could
Speaker 2: see that you're struggling, that's fine, but you were bothering everybody.
Speaker 3: You're annoying? Yes, get it?
Speaker 2: Tell us what Maureen said? Is she getting an abortion?
Speaker 2: What is happening? Was like I couldn't even remember this episode,
Speaker 2: was like what did you do?
Speaker 3: What? I still don't know? And I watched it, like
Speaker 3: I just watched it. Well, I'll tell you it's not that,
Speaker 3: it's not that important. I'll get to it.
Speaker 1: At a construction site, Munch and Finn are talking to
Speaker 1: Kyle Novachek and it's the one and only Bobby count
Speaker 1: of All. I mean, I you know him from A
Speaker 1: Million Things married married to Rose Byrne. I would say
Speaker 1: Funky Tasting Spunk is, oh yeah, highlight. Okay, Tasting Spunk
Speaker 1: is for sure a highlight. He was also just in
Speaker 1: that show Homecoming that I watched on Amazon with Julia Roberts.
Speaker 3: He's very freaky in that.
Speaker 2: I really liked him in Blue Jazz Main Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean his credits.
Speaker 1: Oh ah wait how many episodes too? Okay, I'm like
Speaker 1: I don't remember him, which is crazy because he's so hot.
Speaker 1: I just yeah, I've been into him for a while,
Speaker 1: but I bet it's just because of Funky Tasting Spunk.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, shah we dance.
Speaker 1: I even feel like when I saw him in Funky
Speaker 1: Tasting Spunk, I was like, I've seen that guy before,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know his name, but I've seen him before,
Speaker 1: you know. And then I actually I'm up saying I
Speaker 1: loved I saw him interviewed live on my friend's show
Speaker 1: at Joe's Pub once, and he seems like a great guy,
Speaker 1: but he is like, what's with you?
Speaker 3: You cops? This is the third time this year. I
Speaker 3: always on your list and they're like, oh, Boardwalk Empire
Speaker 3: and that's jacky oh.
Speaker 1: But in Nurse Jackie, he's on just like a season.
Speaker 1: He's got an all out, but he's not Yeah yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: He says he's clean, he's working stead, he's out of
Speaker 1: that life. They want to know where were you the
Speaker 1: other night? He goes, I was at work till six.
Speaker 1: Then I take a class at Brooklyn College at night
Speaker 1: and it starts at seven and Munch goes a man
Speaker 1: of intellect and he's being rude for sure, and they're like,
Speaker 1: what about your car? He goes, I don't have a car.
Speaker 1: My car died last week. It's like hilarious, Like no
Speaker 1: one in New York I feel like has a car.
Speaker 1: And they're like, tell us about your car? And they
Speaker 1: ask you see have you seen a gold car that
Speaker 1: was on sale a couple a couple of blocks away.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, he went and took it for a
Speaker 1: test drive. Whired something happened to that lady or whatever?
Speaker 1: He asks, how is your program going? Sometimes they don't
Speaker 1: give you a up methodone. They're bullying him. Do you
Speaker 1: even remember where.
Speaker 3: You were last night? Or were you two loaded?
Speaker 1: He's like, I saw the car once I haven't been back.
Speaker 1: Vinn grabs him and goes, where's the baby. Kyle's confused.
Speaker 1: He's like, you're telling me somebody hurt that baby. They
Speaker 1: go take a DNA test and we'll leave you alone,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I don't have to do that, and
Speaker 1: Finn goes, you sound guilty, but Kyle's like, no, I
Speaker 1: just know how you guys operate. If you had anything
Speaker 1: on my ass, i'd be in the back of your
Speaker 1: car already. And then they know he's right, so they
Speaker 1: leave and they're like, we'll see you again. So now
Speaker 1: we're at the method oone clinic and a supervisor is
Speaker 1: telling Benson and Stabler, you know I can't give out
Speaker 1: client names. If I did that to the if I
Speaker 1: gave out client names to the police, no one would
Speaker 1: ever come into this clinic. And Stabler's like, well, you
Speaker 1: want to see you know. He tries that whole tactic
Speaker 1: of like you want to see videos of you want
Speaker 1: to see photos of this woman with her stomach cut open,
Speaker 1: and Olivia is pleading, like please, this baby could be alive.
Speaker 1: We're running out of time. She's like, I cannot help you.
Speaker 1: She says clients can be troublesome but not overtly violent.
Speaker 1: Someone they have been having problems with is another nurse
Speaker 1: named Aaron Senna. Nicole discovered she'd been diverting meth for herself,
Speaker 1: so she was arrested and she lost her job.
Speaker 3: And her nursing license. So knock, knock, knock.
Speaker 1: They're at Aaron's place, and she and her place are
Speaker 1: a hot mess. You know, there's takeout containers everywhere. And
Speaker 1: this actress is named Mary Anne Hagen and she plays
Speaker 1: the mother of the girl who goes missing and pure,
Speaker 1: you know, she's like making her daughter's like yeah dress,
Speaker 1: and he's like, I've got your daughter and she's sweet
Speaker 1: or whatever. Martin short, that's the mom who's making the dress.
Speaker 1: So she's the one that's like, help me find my daughter.
Speaker 1: So anyway, a fun little connect. Aaron is smoking a
Speaker 1: sig flirting with Stabler, being like your friend can watch,
Speaker 1: And then they sit her down and they ask her
Speaker 1: about Nicole, and Stabler suggests, like, where's your boyfriend? Maybe
Speaker 1: your boyfriend did this, he went nuts and killed Nicole,
Speaker 1: and she keeps being like, I don't have a boyfriend.
Speaker 1: Benson wanders into a room and she wants. She's like,
Speaker 1: I want you guys to leave, and then it's clearly
Speaker 1: a kid's room. They're like, do you have a kid?
Speaker 1: She's like, I have a sum. They took them away
Speaker 1: from me, the social services and the cops, and she's
Speaker 1: like itching her arms like she definitely is high. She's
Speaker 1: on drugs. And they're like, so this woman took everything
Speaker 1: from you and now she's having her own baby. And
Speaker 1: Aaron's like, get out, and Stabler's like, if you're still using,
Speaker 1: and I can tell that you are, they're not going
Speaker 1: to give their baby back to it. They're not going
Speaker 1: to give your kid back to a junkie, you know,
Speaker 1: like let us like this baby needs to be in
Speaker 1: the hospital.
Speaker 3: Tell us what happened to the baby, will help you.
Speaker 1: And Aaron's lading her second cigarette of the minute, and
Speaker 1: she's like, you can't help me. Nicole pissed off the
Speaker 1: wrong person, and look at what happened to her, and
Speaker 1: she says she doesn't know who Nicole pissed off, but
Speaker 1: lives like I think you do, and she goes, all
Speaker 1: I know is Nicole got asked for it and got
Speaker 1: what she deserved. I had nothing to do with it.
Speaker 1: Now get out, Okay, they just do. Benson and Sabler
Speaker 1: are leaving in the hallway. They're like, someone scared Aaron
Speaker 1: to shut her up. Stabler gots a call on his
Speaker 1: massive flip phone and they're off in an alley. Craigan
Speaker 1: is there telling the you needs to take an unhoused
Speaker 1: man to a shelter and get him some food. I'm
Speaker 1: getting an ominous feeling that we're gonna find something we
Speaker 1: don't like here in this alley. Whenever an unhoused person
Speaker 1: just wanders upon something, it's not like it's usually, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's a diamond necklace that we needed, Craigan said, this
Speaker 1: guy reported it but didn't see anybody around the dumpster.
Speaker 1: Melinda comes up some stuff holding a tiny body wrapped
Speaker 1: in a white sheet. Live is like, are we positive
Speaker 1: it's Nicole's? And Melinda goes, it's the right size and
Speaker 1: deep decomp fits the time frame and you got to
Speaker 1: give it to Tim Ratuni like Melinda's like pretty stone faced.
Speaker 1: She's like, right time frames fits the de comp anyway,
Speaker 1: and then she goes sorry, detectives, and then Stable goes,
Speaker 1: what was it? Because gender is so important to him?
Speaker 1: And Melinda goes, it was a little boy. Worse worse
Speaker 1: for Stabler that had it, you know whatever. I guess
Speaker 1: he's got daughters too. At the hospital, Richard is buying
Speaker 1: Nicole's bedside. She's on a ventilator, she's bandaged up, she's
Speaker 1: not looking great. She's gotten all the way around the
Speaker 1: head bandage. Alisa fave. But I would say not in
Speaker 1: this situation because she's not alive, or she's not she's alive,
Speaker 1: but she's not, you know, with it.
Speaker 2: Not cute, it's just silly. It's not like your head. Yeah,
Speaker 2: oh are you gonna make it?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's hanging on for dear life. He's sad and
Speaker 1: he's like, what do I do? Do I have to
Speaker 1: get a birth certificate first or what?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Lives like you chill for right now? We still have
Speaker 1: to investigate. And he's like, I just want to take
Speaker 1: care of things before Nicole wakes up. And then they
Speaker 1: float Aaron's name to him, like you know anything about
Speaker 1: this sketch ball Aaron that she worked with, and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she tried to get Nicole to testify on her behalfits
Speaker 1: I'm hearing the state was trying to take away her son, Like,
Speaker 1: why would the woman who reported you for diverting meth
Speaker 1: testify for you and your child and your custody hearing anyway,
Speaker 1: she screamed at our answering machine a few times. He said,
Speaker 1: I wanted to call the cops, but Nicole.
Speaker 3: Said it wasn't necessary.
Speaker 1: They asked, how's Nicole doing, and he says, well, the
Speaker 1: doctors gave her a hysterectomy. How do I tell her
Speaker 1: that we'll never have a family, which is very small minded.
Speaker 1: There are a lot of ways to become a family,
Speaker 1: although it is sad that she if that was her wish,
Speaker 1: that she cannot have biological children. Now we're at Melinda's
Speaker 1: house and she's walking them through the skull fractures on
Speaker 1: the baby's X rays. Like, oh, Like cause of death
Speaker 1: was a subdiral hematoma caused by multiple blows.
Speaker 3: To the head.
Speaker 1: Jesus, Like, I just think there's probably more humane ways
Speaker 1: to do that. But okay, she said, whoever did this
Speaker 1: did not want this baby to live. Thinn's Like could
Speaker 1: the beating have been from Nicole getting kicked in the abdomen? Like?
Speaker 3: Could have it had happened in uterol?
Speaker 1: She says, there's kind of no way to tell if
Speaker 1: the injuries happened in her ex utero, but once the
Speaker 1: fetus was aborted, there was no attempt made to save it.
Speaker 1: She's still trying to determine how long it lived. Munch says,
Speaker 1: if there's a god, not long. So Now in the
Speaker 1: squad room, Craigan says, well, Kyle's alibi cleared him, So
Speaker 1: Aaron is our only suspect. We've got to find the
Speaker 1: man who helped her because they're yeah, they're just kind
Speaker 1: of like, there's no way this was a woman, even
Speaker 1: though I think we've seen women commit horrible crimes like this.
Speaker 1: And Stabler says, maybe they can get aerin on a
Speaker 1: probation violation. She was clearly high when we spoke to her,
Speaker 1: so let's get her in here for a drug test.
Speaker 1: You know, she's a client at her old Methodonne clinic,
Speaker 1: they say, And I'm like, wouldn't you find another one?
Speaker 1: Like when you be like this is a little too
Speaker 1: close to home, I'm not going to come to this one.
Speaker 2: You know, I love being a regular, So I get it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I get wanting to pat.
Speaker 1: You're like the freebies, Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally Finn says,
Speaker 1: that's an appointment a heroin addicts always got to keep.
Speaker 3: So if she's gonna get like, let's wait for her
Speaker 3: at them. That's the Nome clinic.
Speaker 1: So Benson and Stable are staked out in the car
Speaker 1: in front of the clinic. And this is usually when
Speaker 1: we get these some personal combo between the two of them.
Speaker 3: You know, they spend.
Speaker 1: Hours together in a fucking car and lives like, oh,
Speaker 1: maybe we missed her, and stablers like, nah, she's coming,
Speaker 1: you want to leave? Go ahead, like he's being a dick,
Speaker 1: and Benson goes, or you could just stop being a
Speaker 1: jerk and tell me what the hell's going on with you?
Speaker 1: And she's and he scowls, and she goes, is this
Speaker 1: about Maureen? And he admits that he fucked up and
Speaker 1: he didn't send in a check for the Columbia application,
Speaker 1: which is weird because the application and the check just
Speaker 1: go together. But what, you know, whatever, like he did
Speaker 1: something fucked up and lives like, well, is it too late?
Speaker 3: And he goes, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's like, are you even trying, like pick up the
Speaker 1: phone and make a phone call, like I know we're
Speaker 1: looking for this dead baby, but this feels like something
Speaker 1: you could take care of for your daughter in ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Call the admissions office, give him a credit number over
Speaker 1: the phone, you weirdo, Like such a.
Speaker 3: Not big deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean if it means she doesn't get to go.
Speaker 2: Attitude, you can fuck it. He's a cop, he could pull.
Speaker 1: Some strings in New York City, I know, I know,
Speaker 1: and go, oh yeah, lives like cut the shit.
Speaker 3: What is this? Like why are you acting like this?
Speaker 1: And he's like, I've been distracted, And then Aaron shows up,
Speaker 1: So we don't get to any more deep you know,
Speaker 1: we don't get to any more psychology of what's going
Speaker 1: on with asshole Stabler in this episode. So Aaron shows up,
Speaker 1: they grab her. Okay, she obviously tests positive.
Speaker 3: For mather heroin or whatever she's on.
Speaker 1: She's like, arrest me and they're like they're just like
Speaker 1: fucking with her. They're like, yeah, well we got twenty
Speaker 1: four hours or forty eight hours to do that, and like,
Speaker 1: you know, she's obviously jonesing and has it needs like
Speaker 1: methadone or her fix or whatever. So they asked what
Speaker 1: happened to her face? She has a huge shier and
Speaker 1: she goes I got hit, so she asked for a
Speaker 1: soda and they say, just tell us what you've been hiding,
Speaker 1: and she's like, no way.
Speaker 3: They're like, you're perfect for this.
Speaker 1: You're a trained nurse with a grudge against Nicole, like
Speaker 1: you could easily perform this operation. And Aaron maintains I
Speaker 1: had nothing to do with this, and then she goes
Speaker 1: she has everything, and she comes after me and then
Speaker 1: they start badgering her more.
Speaker 3: Who are you hiding from? Who are you hiding from?
Speaker 1: She finally says Kyle, and then they go Kyle novachk
Speaker 1: is your boyfriend, and she goes hers Nicole's boyfriend.
Speaker 3: Done. Done. So this is a good twist, much Finn.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Munch and Finn show up because, you know, whatever
Speaker 1: the show is all about stereotypes, like this woman is
Speaker 1: married to a psychiatrist. She's parking a monthly customer in
Speaker 1: a garage that's not cheap. You know, you can make
Speaker 1: a little connect the dots. You don't necessarily think that
Speaker 1: this woman's having an affair with a construction worker who
Speaker 1: has a record, you know, but she was.
Speaker 3: So Finn and Munch show up to Kyle's apartment.
Speaker 1: They're like, we're taking you in for a DNA test
Speaker 1: to prove you raped her, and he goes, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be positive. Nicole and I made love that afternoon, and
Speaker 1: then they accuse him of killing the baby, and he
Speaker 1: says it was mine.
Speaker 3: Would I do that to my own child? It's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know you.
Speaker 1: You don't watch the show. A lot of people do
Speaker 1: this to their own child. They do a lot of
Speaker 1: fucked up stuff to their own child. So yes, many
Speaker 1: men do do that. So now it's a walk and
Speaker 1: talk with the whole gang. Finn is wildly in a
Speaker 1: very long tan blazer that he has buttoned up. This
Speaker 1: is like before he adopted like the leather jacket aesthetic
Speaker 1: that we know him for today. It's like he's not
Speaker 1: quite in his steampunk from season two, but season three
Speaker 1: he's still in some weird ass outfits. Stabler's like, it's
Speaker 1: possible Kyle killed the baby because Nicole wouldn't leave her husband,
Speaker 1: and then Munch is like, yeah, or the husband could
Speaker 1: have done it. And Kyle told them he thought Richard
Speaker 1: was catching on to the affair, so they're like, oh, interesting,
Speaker 1: he didn't mention that to us, so either he didn't
Speaker 1: know or he didn't want the cops to.
Speaker 3: Know that he knew.
Speaker 1: Classic Kragan. I love when he does this, ask the
Speaker 1: wife she just woke up. So I love when we
Speaker 1: get a miraculous awakening from a coma just in time
Speaker 1: for information in the hospital talking to Nicole. And She
Speaker 1: is played by a woman named Trisha Paoluccio, who has
Speaker 1: been in six episodes of SVU. She was actually in
Speaker 1: a season one episode, she was in a season three,
Speaker 1: a season sixteen, and in season twenty five. She's been
Speaker 1: recurring as doctor Heather Lentz in three different episodes. So
Speaker 1: maybe we'll see her in season twenty six because she
Speaker 1: just was in three EPs of twenty five.
Speaker 3: I have something to say.
Speaker 1: They don't look like they would be together, this actress
Speaker 1: and Jan Ritter and John Ridder.
Speaker 3: Like it doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 2: Like when she's next to Bobby kind of volley, I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: well she's next to him.
Speaker 3: I'm like, how did you even meet?
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the Bob Saggat dork situation where
Speaker 2: I'm like, what with this dancer?
Speaker 3: I don't dancer? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But you're like maybe there was a point in
Speaker 1: her life where she was like, oh, this will be safe.
Speaker 1: This guy has money, he's nice to me, and then
Speaker 1: you meet this like hot construction worker and you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is actually much better. But all Nicole remembers is
Speaker 1: someone hitting her on the back of the head. And
Speaker 1: then they ask her about Kyle and she's like, well,
Speaker 1: like the first person and only person maybe in SVU
Speaker 1: history to go, yeah, you guys probably already know everything. Like,
Speaker 1: she doesn't lie, she doesn't try to pull one over
Speaker 1: on the cops. She's like, well, it sounds like you
Speaker 1: guys pretty much know what's up. And she's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I've been seeing Kyle for a year and I saw
Speaker 1: him the afternoon of the attack, which you know, confirms
Speaker 1: what Kyle said. She says Kyle wanted to get married.
Speaker 1: She said she would do that, but then things change
Speaker 1: when you're pregnant. It's about safety for the baby and
Speaker 1: not what makes you happy. So she also says she
Speaker 1: told Richard she was leaving him and that the baby
Speaker 1: wasn't his. So I'm confused about what things she was
Speaker 1: going to do, because she's kind of telling the cops
Speaker 1: that she was going to do both things, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: I obviously want to fuck Kyle, but he's not the
Speaker 1: best dad figure. But then she tells her husband, I'm
Speaker 1: leaving you, so whatever. She thought he was going to
Speaker 1: be mad, but when she told him, he was super calm.
Speaker 3: Red flag Oh, bad, bad bad.
Speaker 1: So then Lib says, well, he said he was meeting
Speaker 1: you at seven did he know you were running late?
Speaker 1: And she goes, no, I was meeting him at seven thirty,
Speaker 1: and she sure remembers a lot for a massive head
Speaker 1: trauma that has it all the way around the back.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, because I was gonna say maybe like debating
Speaker 2: like is Kyle gonna be a good dad ball bloah,
Speaker 2: But also if you're cheating on someone's like you don't
Speaker 2: want to be with this guy, like whether he's always
Speaker 2: in the kid or not or whatever.
Speaker 3: Like right right for him.
Speaker 2: But now he was thinking maybe it could have been
Speaker 2: head trauma stuff, but she seems on it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she remembers exactly when they were supposed to meet.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, I was meeting him at seven thirty,
Speaker 1: and so that half hour discrepancy is huge. The music swells,
Speaker 1: people are exchanging looks, done, done, Okay. So now at
Speaker 1: top of act three, the whole gang plus Cabot plus
Speaker 1: Wang glorious moment. They're all gathered around the board and
Speaker 1: Cabot's like, why wasn't the husband a suspect from the jump?
Speaker 1: And Stablers like because of the evidence, Like he's still
Speaker 1: being like a little like a little sour puss, and
Speaker 1: Munch is like, well, he's a shrink, this guy, so
Speaker 1: he knows how to mess with your head, and Huang ads,
Speaker 1: Plus he did four years of medical school to be
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist, like you do go to medical school, and
Speaker 1: he would have also had a one year meta internship
Speaker 1: so he would know how to do a crude sea section.
Speaker 1: There is a receipt of him having a drink at
Speaker 1: the restaurant bar at six point fifty nine, and the
Speaker 1: bartender remembers him but didn't see him leave, So they're
Speaker 1: going to check a cell phone and see where he
Speaker 1: was when he made the like where are you at?
Speaker 3: Sweetheart? Calls?
Speaker 1: Right, So she got to the garage at seven twenty,
Speaker 1: So they think that Richard set it up on purpose
Speaker 1: so that he could set up his alibi and then
Speaker 1: rush over to attack her at the garage, knowing exactly
Speaker 1: when she would get to the garage because he knows
Speaker 1: where she has a monthly parking spot, right, so he's
Speaker 1: got an hour then to cross the park, attack her,
Speaker 1: clean up, and head home. And Craigan's like all because
Speaker 1: his wife was carrying another man's child. And then Huong goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: he was cuckolded, and it's like, yeah, this guy got
Speaker 1: so cooked.
Speaker 3: This little cook had to get go murdering people.
Speaker 1: Huang says, it's it's common, like you see it in nature.
Speaker 1: The females seek out the most desirable males, and most
Speaker 1: species aren't naturally monogamous. And Munch is like, that explained
Speaker 1: my entire marital history. I love that, but I'm bum,
Speaker 1: you know. And then Stabler goes, cut the jokes. We
Speaker 1: got a dead baby here, and it's like, why don't
Speaker 1: you cut the shit, Stabler? We need these jokes. If
Speaker 1: you don't, if you don't laugh a little bit at Svu,
Speaker 1: all you do is cry.
Speaker 2: But I wants to do how Munch handled it like
Speaker 2: truly a therapized king, Like yeah, he doesn't take it personal,
Speaker 2: he doesn't say anything back, he doesn't attack, He just
Speaker 2: is like in his space.
Speaker 3: It's like like okay, weird.
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he his eyebrows like all right, pissy pissy pants,
Speaker 1: Like I could almost emunch, going, what is it your
Speaker 1: time of the month, you know, like it's some kind
Speaker 1: of old joke like that, And so everyone looks awkward
Speaker 1: for a second, like, yeah, no one knows what's up
Speaker 1: Mary's ass right now? And then Huang explains the problem
Speaker 1: in his mind was the baby, not the wife. Get
Speaker 1: rid of the baby, Get rid of the problem, Craigan says,
Speaker 1: start with a warrant for the cell phone company. And
Speaker 1: this is like always gives me serial vibes, you know,
Speaker 1: like because like I phones don't have GPS, you can't
Speaker 1: tell exactly where they were, but it's all towers. So
Speaker 1: like everything with the ceial case was like where cell
Speaker 1: phone calls were hanging off towers.
Speaker 3: And I'm it's very fascinating to me.
Speaker 1: So at the elevator before we get to the cell
Speaker 1: phone company, Live catches up with Stablert. She goes, Hey,
Speaker 1: we're all on your side, but we can't read minds
Speaker 1: to know what's going on between that huge ass forehead
Speaker 1: of yours, So why don't you just tell us, like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're not gonna say what's up, there's
Speaker 1: not much else we can do, okay, bitch, And then
Speaker 1: he goes up to her and he goes, I know
Speaker 1: you were on my side and she asks, okay, so
Speaker 1: what the fuck is up with you? Is there someone else?
Speaker 1: And he goes, nah nah, Like he's like, if I
Speaker 1: wish it were that, if it would be almost more
Speaker 1: simple if it was that, and then he goes it
Speaker 1: just never goes away.
Speaker 3: Each case is more horrific than the last. I go home,
Speaker 3: What am I supposed to do? Talk about work? Honey?
Speaker 1: Today a guy caught a baby out of his wife's stomach,
Speaker 1: passed the gravy please, and lives like, so you just
Speaker 1: don't talk at all then, and it's like hmm therapy,
Speaker 1: and Kathy thinks he's shutting her out and he's like,
Speaker 1: I just can't put all my work stuff on her,
Speaker 1: and Liv goes, yeah, bitch a shutting her out.
Speaker 3: That's literally your mo.
Speaker 1: You keep this up, and you're going to ruin the
Speaker 1: best thing you ever had. And she walks away from
Speaker 1: him and he just sits there looking dumb.
Speaker 3: So I like this.
Speaker 1: I think at this point nobody is standing, no one
Speaker 1: is shipping them yet. At this point, Liv is only
Speaker 1: cares about him as a partner. There is no I
Speaker 1: think sparked between them and he is she is just like,
Speaker 1: stop being a fucking man. Talk to your wife about
Speaker 1: your problems. So at the cell phone company, as I
Speaker 1: was hinting to, they can't this guy doesn't have GPS
Speaker 1: capabilities on his phone, so they can't pinpoint exactly where
Speaker 1: he was, but they can narrow it down within a
Speaker 1: couple of blocks because of the cell phone towers. So
Speaker 1: they track Richard's calls to Lincoln's Center tower on the
Speaker 1: west side, which is near where Nicole was attacked. But
Speaker 1: he said he made the calls from the upper east
Speaker 1: side at the restaurant. So things are not looking good
Speaker 1: for old Richard and they say he was most likely
Speaker 1: changing his clothes. Stabler is We're back at the precinct,
Speaker 1: and Stabler's like, he belonged to a gym and it
Speaker 1: was right near there and he signed it at eight
Speaker 1: o'clock and they're like, yeah, what was covered in blood
Speaker 1: from like oops, a daisy sea section And then they're like, well,
Speaker 1: he cleaned up a lot at the scene. But then
Speaker 1: they said he rolled into the gym in a long
Speaker 1: coat and a duffel bag, so his bloody clothes would
Speaker 1: have been like hidden if he was wearing like a
Speaker 1: long trench or something. But nothing at the gym links
Speaker 1: to the crime scene. He didn't have a regular locker
Speaker 1: or anything like that where he could have hid bloody clothes.
Speaker 1: So he's got these. This guy's thought of everything. How
Speaker 1: about cab companies, He only had thirty minutes to get home.
Speaker 1: Huang's like, I don't think he took a cab. This
Speaker 1: guy's been meticulous and this is one more witness that
Speaker 1: he doesn't need.
Speaker 3: Finn goes he could have run.
Speaker 1: We clocked it, and liv Goes lives like YouTube bozos
Speaker 1: ran it, like she cannot imagine that Finn and Munch
Speaker 1: ran the distance of this, like from the gym to
Speaker 1: this guy's home, and Munch is like, now, we walked it,
Speaker 1: but we still had a couple of minutes to spare.
Speaker 1: So they're like, we need a warrant. He could still
Speaker 1: have the duffel bag, the murder weapon could be there.
Speaker 1: Craigan wants Huang to be involved in all of the
Speaker 1: search and the questioning because he knows how shrinks operate.
Speaker 1: So time to give up your trade secrets doc at
Speaker 1: the Manning That would have been a fun one to
Speaker 1: talk to Bed Wong about talking to John Ritter and
Speaker 1: doing psychiatrists versus psychiatrists. At the Manning apartment. There is
Speaker 1: no gym bag, There are no cutting instruments in the
Speaker 1: whole house besides manicure scissors. But this man is above
Speaker 1: and beyond organized, Like he has three baskets for like
Speaker 1: laundry lights, darks, which Lisa and I have established is
Speaker 1: old and no one needs to do that anymore, and
Speaker 1: dry cleaning basket as well, and I sort of love it.
Speaker 3: I love how organized he is, Like.
Speaker 1: Benson goes, this is more organized than my wardrobe, and
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, this guy is truly Like did you
Speaker 1: ever read about Mark Summers, the host of Doubledare like
Speaker 1: famously has OCD and like they did articles about him
Speaker 1: where like all the hangers in his closet had to
Speaker 1: be equidistant apart, and like all his shirts are folded
Speaker 1: like perfect.
Speaker 3: It's reminding me of this guy's closet.
Speaker 1: And then Huong goes, this guy has enough personal hygiene
Speaker 1: products in the bathroom to open a salon, and Benson goes, well,
Speaker 1: so do I it doesn't make me a murderer, just
Speaker 1: a gorgeous, gorgeous woman.
Speaker 3: And uh there.
Speaker 1: Quong's like, I think he has feelings of being unattractive
Speaker 1: and unmanly, and that his advantage is his intelligence, and
Speaker 1: he's probably a great shrink.
Speaker 3: He's preoccupied with order.
Speaker 1: He thinks he can control everything and that if he
Speaker 1: can't control everything, he can be the man that he
Speaker 1: wants to be.
Speaker 3: But his wife wasn't easy to control.
Speaker 1: And they show her closet, and her closet is not
Speaker 1: not like horrible of a mess.
Speaker 2: It's just so funny because it's also like as a
Speaker 2: messy person the me like you could just tell a
Speaker 2: prop person did it, you know, or like a set designer,
Speaker 2: because on the hangar, like there's clothes hanging and then
Speaker 2: there's just like piles of clothes hanging on the hangared
Speaker 2: clothes and it's like, no, those would be on the floor. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those wouldn't be because then that how are they staying
Speaker 2: up there?
Speaker 3: I'm right rolling through and throwing.
Speaker 2: So it was just funny like that they were placed
Speaker 2: on top of the hanging clothes. So it was just
Speaker 2: such a fabricated mess to me. But also this again,
Speaker 2: like they don't seem like they would be together. And
Speaker 2: I get that he thinks he's ugly, but it's also
Speaker 2: like he's not restling like a guy that cares about
Speaker 2: what he looks like. He also doesn't look like he
Speaker 2: works out, Like I don't know, there's just yeah, these
Speaker 2: weird cat I don't you know. I'm probably wrong.
Speaker 1: Obviously I'm not doubting, and I'm so happy that we
Speaker 1: have an episode with him in it.
Speaker 3: I just don't buy it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean maybe that's like why they're not
Speaker 1: working out. I mean, maybe he looked different, maybe he
Speaker 1: was different. They met when they were in high school.
Speaker 1: Who fucking knows why people get married to people that
Speaker 1: they shouldn't, but this lady and him are obviously very different,
Speaker 1: and so Huang's like, I think this woman threatened to
Speaker 1: destroy his sense of control.
Speaker 3: So just at that.
Speaker 1: Moment, Richard comes home, obviously very pissed, a control freak
Speaker 1: walking into his house and the cops are everywhere, ripping
Speaker 1: shit apart, like not happy. Stabler sees his keys and goes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need those and asks a tech to illumin
Speaker 1: all them, like right there on the spot, and so
Speaker 1: under the black light stablers like, see the plastic absorbs
Speaker 1: the blood and you can't get rid of it, and
Speaker 1: boom under the light, the keys have invisible blood like
Speaker 1: all over them. Like so now we're taking you in, buddy,
Speaker 1: Not that I don't know, blood on your keys.
Speaker 3: I don't know if that's like a smoking gun. But
Speaker 3: let's get to the cement room.
Speaker 1: Bars Manning is sitting there, okay, Richard is sitting there
Speaker 1: when Benson stable and Huang rolling, they brought you into
Speaker 1: shrink the shrink, he says to Huang, and Huang goes, oh,
Speaker 1: does that make you feel important? And Richard goes, I mean,
Speaker 1: it just seems unnecessary since I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 3: And like Ritter is really good in this role.
Speaker 1: He's got like a smugness, like he is I'm smarter
Speaker 1: than all of you, you know, like he's arrogant, he's smug,
Speaker 1: and it's like it almost feels like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you were keep going with the wounded husband thing,
Speaker 1: keep acting like I don't know what you mean. Instead
Speaker 1: he's like, well, I haven't done anything wrong, you know.
Speaker 1: He just really has sort of changed his personality now
Speaker 1: and he's on the offensive with the cops, and so
Speaker 1: he goes, I haven't done anything wrong, and Benson goes,
Speaker 1: but your wife did, right, And he goes, we had
Speaker 1: marital problems, but we were working to solve them.
Speaker 3: And she he was like, or goes she left you,
Speaker 3: and he goes.
Speaker 1: He literally goes, I wouldn't say she left me so
Speaker 1: much as she was going to the man who fathered
Speaker 1: her child. It's like that she left you. You are
Speaker 1: the mayor of de Lulu Town, Like that is she
Speaker 1: left you. And he's just like, it's not really leaving.
Speaker 1: It's just preferring a partner with whom she has created
Speaker 1: a child over me. So he continues and he goes,
Speaker 1: she just thought that was the best solution, and Huang goes,
Speaker 1: but that was the wrong solution, and he nods and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, so the problem was the baby and
Speaker 1: now the problem doesn't exist because there's no baby, and
Speaker 1: he goes, well, yes, and he kind of grins, and
Speaker 1: Benson's like, Nicole wasn't going to marry Kyle. She just
Speaker 1: wanted to get away from you. So I guess that's
Speaker 1: what I'm confused about. She kind of told Kyle, I'm
Speaker 1: not going to marry you, but she also told her
Speaker 1: husband she was going to leave. I think she was
Speaker 1: just gonna go have the baby on her own. Maybe
Speaker 1: who knows, and Nicole's and he goes, Nicole doesn't know
Speaker 1: what she wants, and it's like fuck you man, Like
Speaker 1: he's I hate she doesn't know what she wants.
Speaker 3: Guy, fuck that. Huang's like, well, she wanted a relationship
Speaker 3: with another man. Why is that?
Speaker 1: And he goes, well, she probably thought our relationship was lacking,
Speaker 1: and Stabler goes lacking.
Speaker 3: What do you think was lacking?
Speaker 1: Dick because his name is Richard, of which Dick is
Speaker 1: a nickname, and Stabler is basically giving this guy.
Speaker 3: Making a dick joke about this guy being bad in bed.
Speaker 1: So Richard goes, oh, challenging my masculinity a little amateurist,
Speaker 1: don't you think, And Huang is like, no, it's a.
Speaker 3: Pretty obvious weakness he knows. Stabler's like, you.
Speaker 1: Think you're smarter than everybody else. And then one of
Speaker 1: them goes been to the Jim lately and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I forgot to mention that I did go pump iron
Speaker 1: on the night that I thought my wife was fucking missing,
Speaker 1: and wouldn't pick up her phone and didn't show up
Speaker 1: to meet me at dinner, Like, this is insane. How
Speaker 1: did Nicole fool you into believing you were the father?
Speaker 1: Stabler said, she made you look stupid, and you hated
Speaker 1: it for it. Benson said, so they're really going after her,
Speaker 1: and he goes, I love my wife, and they're like,
Speaker 1: you almost killed her, and then Huang is like, no,
Speaker 1: he killed the baby, but he wasn't smart enough to
Speaker 1: do the job right, and Richard goes, I don't even
Speaker 1: know what that means, and I think that was funny,
Speaker 1: like the way he says it. He's like, I don't
Speaker 1: even I don't even know what you're talking about. And
Speaker 1: they're like, well, Nicole can't have children now, and now
Speaker 1: I neither will you. And he goes, you're so wrong
Speaker 1: about me. All I care about is my wife and
Speaker 1: my family, and it ruined everything. And of course this
Speaker 1: psychle was talking about the baby, and so Kwang goes,
Speaker 1: so you got rid of it, and he goes, wouldn't anyone,
Speaker 1: So he's essentially like admitting it, and this is yikes
Speaker 1: to the max. And also, I don't believe this guy would.
Speaker 3: Talk without a lawyer, but he is he is arrogant, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: but arrogant.
Speaker 1: But then it's like you can be arrogant, but to
Speaker 1: just confess, I mean, he just confessed essentially. Cabot on
Speaker 1: the other side of the glass, was like, arrest him.
Speaker 1: We've got him on assault one for attack on the
Speaker 1: mother plus abortion one. And Stabler's like, what about murder?
Speaker 1: He killed the baby and she's like, has Melinda confirmed that?
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, the baby was alive and now
Speaker 1: it's dead. And that's like there is sort of interesting
Speaker 1: language in this episode, like whether you're calling something a
Speaker 1: baby versus a fetus, you know, like there is language
Speaker 1: that is sort of sensitive around those topics, you know.
Speaker 1: So we have to establish that this fetus was literally born,
Speaker 1: and that if it was a baby, that it was
Speaker 1: legally a person, and it had to have been born
Speaker 1: alive and something that indicated that it lived outside of
Speaker 1: the womb. If he was killed in the womb, then
Speaker 1: he was never a person. But if he was born
Speaker 1: in a hospital, he would have lived. Olivia argues, and
Speaker 1: Cabot's like, it doesn't matter. Neonata sides are notoriously different.
Speaker 1: I never heard that term before. Neonata sides. Neonata sides
Speaker 1: are notoriously difficult to prosecute because the medical evidence is
Speaker 1: always inconclusive. Like it's very hard to I guess, determine
Speaker 1: whether they're killed in or out of utero if there
Speaker 1: is no witness, or whether they took a breath or not.
Speaker 1: So if there's no witness stating that the baby was alive.
Speaker 1: Cabot feels shaky on getting a murder conviction and a
Speaker 1: legal third trimester abortion is the best she thinks she
Speaker 1: can do, and Stabler is lit up.
Speaker 3: He's like, at seven months the baby moves.
Speaker 1: The only reason it's it's dead is because this dude
Speaker 1: bashed its skulln and it is a slippery slope, Like
Speaker 1: Cabot explains that argument could be used to stop abortions
Speaker 1: that are medically necessary, and do we want to go
Speaker 1: now charging abortion doctors and like it is wild. This
Speaker 1: episode is from two thousand and what three, No, this
Speaker 1: episode is from two thousand and two, Like these are
Speaker 1: arguments we're like still having.
Speaker 3: Today, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's it is a really interesting that the show
Speaker 1: tackled this issue, I think, but I thought it's.
Speaker 2: Also like fetus baby, it doesn't matter if it's involuntary,
Speaker 2: there's a crime, Like why is like why is Stabler
Speaker 2: so concerned like fetish like fetal murder, he would still
Speaker 2: get a lot of time in the attack on the wife,
Speaker 2: Like I don't know why it has to be murder
Speaker 2: of a baby.
Speaker 1: I think they she thinks he'll get more time for
Speaker 1: murder and that it's like for him, it's always about
Speaker 1: what it's called. It's always at like the ethics of
Speaker 1: like this is a murder, he needs to go down
Speaker 1: for murder.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but isn't it still a crime?
Speaker 2: Like if I want to keep my if I want
Speaker 2: to stay pregnant and have my baby, and someone stabs
Speaker 2: and kills the baby I wanted, Like it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: if as a fetus or not, you like I wanted it.
Speaker 2: Because there's other episode. This is just one episode where
Speaker 2: they've done the opposite as well, you know, Yeah, those
Speaker 2: cases where it's like sometimes if you're drugged and uh
Speaker 2: not in normal state, we can't charge you, And then
Speaker 2: other times it's like, yep, you're still going to jail,
Speaker 2: Like they.
Speaker 3: Change the rules on us.
Speaker 1: I feel something I know, and also I don't maybe
Speaker 1: the rules have changed into a one. But like, if
Speaker 1: you kill a pregnant woman and the baby dies as well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's considered a murder as much
Speaker 1: as it is like an illegal.
Speaker 2: Abortion or well Scott Peterson was charged with the murder
Speaker 2: of both.
Speaker 3: Huh. Interesting, I wonder if it's states, if it's a
Speaker 3: state thing a lot. I'm going to google this really quickly.
Speaker 1: So there has been an act in the United States,
Speaker 1: The Unborn Victims of Violence Act of two thousand and
Speaker 1: four defines a fetus as a child in uterus and
Speaker 1: considers the death of an unborn infant during a federal
Speaker 1: violent crime to be a separate offense from the crime
Speaker 1: against the pregnant woman. The punishment for this offense is
Speaker 1: the same as the punishment for the same injury or.
Speaker 3: Death of the pregnant woman. So thirty eight states also
Speaker 3: have laws.
Speaker 1: That impose harsher penalties if the victim is murdered while pregnant,
Speaker 1: and some of those laws define the fetus as a
Speaker 1: person for the.
Speaker 3: Purpose of criminal prosecution.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so it looks like but this episode came out
Speaker 1: no one, so maybe that shit wasn't you know.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. This show is like ahead of
Speaker 3: its time a lot, and it's like.
Speaker 2: Capital does this, and I feel like the judges are
Speaker 2: always like this precedent and then abortion and it's like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for criminal purposes, we can switch it up.
Speaker 3: Okay, if it's not your choice, it's.
Speaker 1: Murder, right, right, right, that's what Honestly, that's wildly what
Speaker 1: Ben Stabler is arguing here. Like Stabler is like, abortion
Speaker 1: is different, it's the mother's choice, and is like, if
Speaker 1: we charge for the murder of a fetus, we give
Speaker 1: the fetus rights, and do you want to go down
Speaker 1: that road? And Stable argues it's not the same thing,
Speaker 1: but it is in the eyes.
Speaker 3: Of the law.
Speaker 1: So Stabler's like, you saw that baby, Olivia, you saw
Speaker 1: that baby. This guy's gonna walk And Olivia's like, I
Speaker 1: don't like it, but we can't like walk back reproductive rights.
Speaker 1: Like this is a conundrum, and he's like, we're gonna
Speaker 1: let a murderer get away to preserve a political ideal.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what I'm doing here. He's like
Speaker 1: getting really really fired up. Craigan tells Stabler, take.
Speaker 3: A break, buddy, you need to go to the calm
Speaker 3: down room.
Speaker 1: It's like you just missed a fee for Columbia. It's yeah,
Speaker 1: like you can.
Speaker 2: I'm sure you could stop by the office and whip
Speaker 2: your dick around and give the check for thirty dollars.
Speaker 3: It's fifty but yes, I know, I know.
Speaker 1: I mean it was fifty back in the day and
Speaker 1: I was applying for college a little bit earlier than Maureen.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, or maybe he is really traumatized by
Speaker 1: the case. But I think he's traumatized by the case,
Speaker 1: and he's also traumatized by the fact that he's now
Speaker 1: been doing this job for three years and talks to
Speaker 1: nobody about it, like you know, and he needs to
Speaker 1: get therapy. But does he do it for another ten seasons?
Speaker 1: I don't think so. So basically, Stabler walks off in
Speaker 1: a huff, and Cabot's like, if the emmy can give
Speaker 1: me solid evidence that the baby was alive, she can
Speaker 1: work with this, but she's not going to go for
Speaker 1: a murder in the death of an unborn child. And
Speaker 1: so Craigan's like, get your butts over to Werner, and
Speaker 1: Cabot you go to. So in the morgue, we see
Speaker 1: some other medical examiner just weighing the innerds of some
Speaker 1: dead Kui barf.
Speaker 3: It's like really nasty. And then well, it's what we
Speaker 3: talked to her about, this giant ass thing.
Speaker 2: So this is the scene where it's like the biggest
Speaker 2: liver we've ever seen in our lives.
Speaker 1: Well, I think that was a different one. That was
Speaker 1: one where cat where she was weighing it. In this scene,
Speaker 1: someone else is weighing it. And then they just zoom
Speaker 1: in on Melinda, but there's someone else in her office
Speaker 1: like taking out it.
Speaker 3: Like so this is another Yes, this is another one,
Speaker 3: and though but it looked comically over ye same way.
Speaker 1: They are definitely getting these parts at like butcher shops,
Speaker 1: and this is not human. These are not human parts,
Speaker 1: which we've got the tea from Tom Ratuni that let
Speaker 1: us know that. But she's reading off all this medical
Speaker 1: mumbo jumbo about the findings of the baby's body and
Speaker 1: to Cabat and Benson and Stabler, and then Stabler's like
Speaker 1: in English, please, and she's like, the baby took a breath.
Speaker 1: So Cabbat is laying it all out. If I go
Speaker 1: after him for murder, I'm dropping abortion and assault. There
Speaker 1: can only be one theory of the crime. Either he
Speaker 1: was trying to murder the baby, or he was trying
Speaker 1: to murder Nicole. I don't know why that's true either.
Speaker 1: She tells Melinda she has to be willing to testify
Speaker 1: that this was a live birth, and Melinda does not
Speaker 1: fuck around. She goes, I am so at trial. Melinda's
Speaker 1: on the stand being questioned by Trevor Langan and he
Speaker 1: looks so hot. And this is his first episode ever,
Speaker 1: and this is the episode where him and Marishka meet
Speaker 1: each other, and it's called monogamy.
Speaker 3: They had to have talked about that at their wedding.
Speaker 1: They had to someone have had to talk about that
Speaker 1: in the speech, please, like it's too much when we
Speaker 1: too good finally meet Marishka, we got to get wedding scoop.
Speaker 3: But also he has little glasses. He's a little cutie.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he's truly one of the hottest men.
Speaker 1: I think he's hot, then I think he's hot, now
Speaker 1: I think he's so fucking hot. They're like Harry Potter glasses, yeah,
Speaker 1: like little smart boy glasses, and he fucking hot. Melinda
Speaker 1: is like explaining all her science on the stand. She's
Speaker 1: looking gorgeous. She's so smart she's very like level headed,
Speaker 1: and he's like, pardon me, I'm very dumb at science.
Speaker 3: What is a hydrostatic test?
Speaker 1: And she explains it's like this test where the lungs
Speaker 1: are placed in water and if a portion of them floats,
Speaker 1: it means they were once inflated, so you can tell
Speaker 1: if someone has taken a breath. And that's what happened here.
Speaker 1: And by the way, Bobby Knival meaning Kyle Novachak, and
Speaker 1: Nicole are sitting together in the courtroom. Nicole has fully
Speaker 1: healed and looks beautiful and maybe they're back together through
Speaker 1: the trauma.
Speaker 3: Who knows.
Speaker 1: Trevor asks Melinda about post mortem putrefaction and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and for a moment, Melinda pauses and looks a little
Speaker 1: bit like I see where this guy is going. Like
Speaker 1: she doesn't totally look like she's gotten got but she's
Speaker 1: like she pauses, and that's a flag for me.
Speaker 3: And that's I think tim Rtuni's.
Speaker 1: So good because that, like you can just feel that
Speaker 1: little pause is like, uh oh, where's this going? And
Speaker 1: then she's got her footing again and heeps, being like, well,
Speaker 1: why didn't you run it twice?
Speaker 3: Were you busy that day?
Speaker 1: And the judge is like, get to the point, and like,
Speaker 1: isn't it possible that post mortem gases are responsible for
Speaker 1: inflating the lungs And she's like, perhaps, but there were
Speaker 1: other factors, and he's cutting her off. He's running circles
Speaker 1: around her, like it's honestly, he's very hot, but he's
Speaker 1: being kind of a dick, and he is like getting
Speaker 1: her to admit on the stand that it's also possible
Speaker 1: the baby took a breath while partially expelled and then
Speaker 1: died before being fully expelled, which is what are we
Speaker 1: talking about, Like he took a breath like in the
Speaker 1: when the belly was first opened, and then by the
Speaker 1: time he got outside of it, Like this wasn't through
Speaker 1: the vaginal canal, it was through a C section.
Speaker 3: I'm sure our doctors are going to tell me how
Speaker 3: that could even be possible.
Speaker 1: But she admits it on the stand that it's possible,
Speaker 1: but she looks skeptical, and Stabler looks pissed. Outside Stabler's
Speaker 1: yelling at cabin about letting langon Sam bag Melinda, She's like, dude,
Speaker 1: he's right, we can't prove how and when the baby
Speaker 1: died beyond a reasonable doubt, and you can blame me
Speaker 1: if you want to. He'll probably get three and a
Speaker 1: half to nine years for the assault.
Speaker 3: He'll do two. Elliott is pissed, walks away.
Speaker 1: Elliott's in now in like these weird holding rooms where
Speaker 1: it seems like all the criminals talk to their lawyers.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's like under the courthouse, and he walks right
Speaker 1: over to the cage that Langan and Richard are sitting in,
Speaker 1: and Richard is real weirdo.
Speaker 3: He's like, Detective, what.
Speaker 1: A surprise, like acting like a freak, and Elliott says nothing.
Speaker 1: He just like dead eyed, stares at Richard, and then
Speaker 1: Trevor bates him and goes, go ahead, harass my client.
Speaker 1: I would love a mistrial, And Richard is like, why
Speaker 1: don't you leave us alone? Even though Trevor is like,
Speaker 1: I strongly advise against this private conversation, He's like, leave
Speaker 1: us so honestly. John Ritter is smiling and acting really
Speaker 1: creepy and smug. Stabler's like, oh, are you gonna shrink me?
Speaker 1: He goes, well, usually my time is worth two hundred
Speaker 1: dollars an hour, and then he starts to like give
Speaker 1: again two thousand and one pricing.
Speaker 3: Richard is like, okay, you're married. It's like okay, he's
Speaker 3: got a ring on. You're not a psychic.
Speaker 1: You have kids and he's like, yeah, I have four.
Speaker 1: He goes, what don't you do anything to protect your family?
Speaker 1: And Stabler's like killing a child? Nope, not for me.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well you understand that impulse, though, you
Speaker 1: know why I did what I had to do. And
Speaker 1: he's like, you had to protect what you had by
Speaker 1: destroying it, and he's like, I didn't destroy anything, and
Speaker 1: Stabler walks out. He's like, I didn't destroy anything. Back
Speaker 1: at trial, Lois Preston is the judge by the way
Speaker 1: she has been. Richard is on the stand now and
Speaker 1: he's saying how he and Nicole had agreed to meet
Speaker 1: for dinner to salvage their relationship. He's saying that he
Speaker 1: had a complete textbook case of a break with reality,
Speaker 1: like I don't know what's what happened. They agreed to
Speaker 1: meet to salvage the relationship, and then what triggered the
Speaker 1: break with reality? He just says he has a break
Speaker 1: with reality. Meanwhile, while he's talking, Finn and Munch come
Speaker 1: in and they hand Cabot some paperwork and they start
Speaker 1: whispering and he's.
Speaker 3: Like, I look back.
Speaker 1: Richard is like, I can't believe what I've done to
Speaker 1: the woman I love.
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry Cabot.
Speaker 1: Then it's her turn to talk and she's like a
Speaker 1: new piece of evidence, and Langan is like, objection, we
Speaker 1: haven't seen this evidence, and so they approach the bench.
Speaker 1: Langan argues it was not provided during discovery, so it
Speaker 1: has to be out, and Cabot's like, it was not
Speaker 1: material to the charge, and so Lois lets it in.
Speaker 3: Trevor asks for a recess.
Speaker 1: He can prefer with his client, but Lois is like,
Speaker 1: I'm letting it in and.
Speaker 3: We're keeping going, like shut up.
Speaker 1: So Cabot questions, Richard, did you take your wife's word
Speaker 1: when she said that the kid was not yours? And
Speaker 1: he said yes, and then he's like, she goes, is
Speaker 1: there any possibility it was the result of another affair
Speaker 1: and he says, no, she told me it was Kyle
Speaker 1: Novachek's baby.
Speaker 3: Cabot drops a bomb.
Speaker 1: This is the new evidence that munch of Bin brought
Speaker 1: and it is a paternity test confirming that Kyle is
Speaker 1: Marity Povich not the father.
Speaker 3: So Richard was the father. He looked so shook. He
Speaker 3: says he would have known.
Speaker 1: He's like, I would have known if that baby was mine.
Speaker 1: And she was like, you were so sure he couldn't
Speaker 1: have been your child. You held your own baby in
Speaker 1: your hands.
Speaker 3: Did he cry? And this is always the part I
Speaker 3: remember when I think of this episode. Did your son
Speaker 3: cry before you killed him? And Richard shakes his head
Speaker 3: and goes and he's got like tears in his eyes.
Speaker 3: He's like, he only cried a little. He only cried
Speaker 3: a little, and then he starts to like breakdown, and
Speaker 3: that's fade to credits and it's Stickwolf Baby.
Speaker 2: Go to jail, bitch and Cabo looks so beautiful and stunning.
Speaker 2: It's like they do really good shots of her face
Speaker 2: and he is such a good actor and like.
Speaker 1: They killed yeah, and like we're not getting to the
Speaker 1: bottom of Okay, here's my question though, Like why did
Speaker 1: Kyle Novachek go and punch out that girl? Aaron to
Speaker 1: be like, don't tell about our affair, like find out by.
Speaker 2: Thought that you were gonna because I was like, why
Speaker 2: did we even need her?
Speaker 3: Like why need her.
Speaker 1: Go to that girl? I mean, she was a good
Speaker 1: red herring. But like, I think they could have just
Speaker 1: had what is like, she could have just given that
Speaker 1: up sooner instead of being scared, Like why would Kyle
Speaker 1: have gone to her and go you shut the fuck up?
Speaker 1: If the cops come to you, you don't say that we
Speaker 1: were in a relationship. It's like they're gonna find out,
Speaker 1: Like and also, you didn't do anything. You didn't do it,
Speaker 1: so why are you doing that anyway?
Speaker 2: Weird weird blod Well, he can't trust the police, like
Speaker 2: he's been incarcerated before. He's probably on probation, you know,
Speaker 2: like he didn't want to comply because fuck the police
Speaker 2: in his head, you know. Yeah, well, you guys are
Speaker 2: gonna be really upset, So I will move it along
Speaker 2: to the crime. Get ready to get sad. So this
Speaker 2: is the Richard Greist case. And this guy, I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: you can assume he killed his wife an unborn child
Speaker 2: during a violent rampage on May tenth, nineteen seventy eight
Speaker 2: and Chess County, Pennsylvania. So it was his wife, Janis
Speaker 2: twenty six at the time. She was pregnant and he
Speaker 2: stabbed her to death and cut the fetus out of
Speaker 2: her body and like truly just ripped their unborn child
Speaker 2: out of her womb. And that's not all. This was
Speaker 2: a psychotic rampage. Grice then stabbed and gouged out his
Speaker 2: six year old daughter's eye. Oh my god, So that's
Speaker 2: beth An, So she doesn't have an eye and then
Speaker 2: he did but she lived. Yeah, okay, yeah, and then
Speaker 2: slashed his grandmother's throat and then butchered the family.
Speaker 3: Cat, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: And this is according to prosecutors, and then reported by
Speaker 2: the Philadelphia in Choir, which I am now a member of.
Speaker 2: So we will see if they let me cancel a
Speaker 2: little easier than Oklahoma did the Tulsa Times.
Speaker 3: What was it like they have left me alone? Was
Speaker 3: that Tulsa? Oh no, it was the Witchita.
Speaker 2: Eagle, Oh, the Witchita So yeah, I am a member
Speaker 2: of the Philadelphia Inquirer now, so he was. And it's
Speaker 2: Inquirer with an I, not an E like the bad paper.
Speaker 2: So I'm just saying it's like more legitimate, okay. So,
Speaker 2: and he was only twenty seven years old at the time,
Speaker 2: and he was an aid at Penhurst State Hospital. And
Speaker 2: he said, he, you know, he flew into the psychotic rage.
Speaker 3: He used a screwdriver on his wife.
Speaker 2: He stabs her to death and the second floor bedroom
Speaker 2: of their house in rural East Coventry and yeah, cut
Speaker 2: her open, mutilated this unborn sign and with the gram Yeah,
Speaker 2: the grandma was a fucking butcher knife Anna Gresco.
Speaker 3: She was seventy one at the time. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And then he was evading police trying to you know,
Speaker 2: he's running shirtless outside of the house. And there's actually
Speaker 2: a photo taken for our spot News photography by a
Speaker 2: photographer named Thomas J. Kelly and he ended up winning
Speaker 2: the Pulitzer Prize.
Speaker 3: For this photo. Wow.
Speaker 2: And it was called Tragedy on Santa Taga Road. And
Speaker 2: this guy's bearded and I don't know, hopefully we get
Speaker 2: the rights to this photo so we can post it.
Speaker 3: And he was running from the home. The cops had
Speaker 3: to subdue him.
Speaker 2: He was charged with one count of criminal homicide and
Speaker 2: two counts of attempted criminal homicide. He got to have
Speaker 2: a non jury trial in July and August of nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty And this is what's going to make you the
Speaker 2: most upset. He was found not guilty by reason of
Speaker 2: insanity for stabbing his wife in nineteen eighty God, so
Speaker 2: I'm pissed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I try.
Speaker 2: I mean, I want like full court docs because even
Speaker 2: with all the research I did, I truly can I
Speaker 2: can't understand this. So this was decided by the Common
Speaker 2: please Court judge Thomas Pitt after a defense expert testified
Speaker 2: that he was suffering from psychosis at the time of
Speaker 2: the attacks and could not legally distinguish between right and wrong. Now,
Speaker 2: only the Times Harold after a while of research, I
Speaker 2: saw they were the only paper that reported that he
Speaker 2: flew into a quote drug fueled psychotic rage. If this
Speaker 2: is drug fueled go to prison, bitch, what are you
Speaker 2: talking about?
Speaker 1: Not like, if it's just like a psychotic break, then
Speaker 1: I do feel how do you even prove it either way?
Speaker 3: So I don't know.
Speaker 2: The verdict was extremely controversial, and then according to the
Speaker 2: Daily Local News, it said this case was a precursor
Speaker 2: to a similar finding for the would be assassin of
Speaker 2: Ronald Reagan.
Speaker 3: So like.
Speaker 2: And he was involuntarily committed to Norristown State Hospital in
Speaker 2: nineteen eighty one, and he tried to be moved from
Speaker 2: the hospital to community group home immediately like he constantly
Speaker 2: wanted a less restrictive setting, and because of this like
Speaker 2: not guilty charge, every year, they had a hearing to
Speaker 2: see if he could be released every year.
Speaker 3: Oh no, every year. I'm sorry, that's like a taking
Speaker 3: time bomb situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was always begging to be released and I'm like,
Speaker 2: fuck you. So in two thousand and eight, So he
Speaker 2: did spend decades, decades into in this hostel. All, so
Speaker 2: in two thousand and eight, like you know, trying to
Speaker 2: get as much info on all the hearings I could.
Speaker 2: So they had a hearing and the hospital doctors believed
Speaker 2: he functioned well and deserved a chiller setting, but a
Speaker 2: psychiatrist for the prosecution testified that Gris still blames women
Speaker 2: for in his life for his problems, including his wife
Speaker 2: that he killed, which demonstrates a lack of insight and
Speaker 2: empathy and which makes his release way too fucking risky.
Speaker 2: And the judge at this point made the right decision
Speaker 2: and told him he needed to stay longer at this
Speaker 2: horse Town State Hospital. Judge Edward Griffith ruled that he
Speaker 2: needed more and like insight orient like treatment to become
Speaker 2: more insightful to address his behavior, like realize that the
Speaker 2: problems were within the judge noted that Gryce still sees
Speaker 2: himself as the victim and he engages a manipulative behavior
Speaker 2: with his caregivers, and that he needs to remain in
Speaker 2: a structured setting of the hospital. Now, I just like
Speaker 2: don't understand any So in two thousand and nine, they
Speaker 2: had a state hospital yard sale. Didn't know that was
Speaker 2: a thing, and he he purchased a pick axe. And
Speaker 2: this came out because of these yearly meetings, and so
Speaker 2: the lead psychiatrist, Olu FUCKIESI said, well, Gryce, And at
Speaker 2: this point, Gryce is fifty seven years old, and he's like, oh, well,
Speaker 2: he bought the axe for gardening. So I didn't like
Speaker 2: really see a reason to mention it or taken away
Speaker 2: from him. Like I don't get this hospital.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, a shovel. We'd get a little tiny trowel,
Speaker 1: plastic trowel. There are plastic trowels.
Speaker 2: And I love this judge, and this judge had this
Speaker 2: case for decades, like every fucking year, and Edward Griffith,
Speaker 2: the judge goes the hospital sells pick axes, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: and again back and forth. So like some people to
Speaker 2: the hospital go no, he deserves a chiller space, and
Speaker 2: others are like, no, he fails to understand what prompted
Speaker 2: his breakdown, so there is a risk for another one.
Speaker 2: But also, how did they prove it was a psychotic
Speaker 2: break It makes absolutely no sense that this man is
Speaker 2: not in jail. So in twenty third, his psychiatrist Ira
Speaker 2: Brenner said Gryce finally had progress over the years and
Speaker 2: has greater self awareness and expressions of sadness and remorse. Again,
Speaker 2: I don't care, and to quote Miranda, so like a
Speaker 2: man can correctly identify a feeling, so we got to
Speaker 2: give him a prize, Like when she's talking about Richard
Speaker 2: with Samantha where she's like, well, you know he was sorry,
Speaker 2: he got scared, and it's.
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, like I don't.
Speaker 2: So he finally has sadness for gouging out his daughter's eye,
Speaker 2: fucking mutilating his fucking feeding, Like it's insane that he
Speaker 2: finally has some sort of feeling and we're still trying
Speaker 2: to get him released. It's insane, and this all these
Speaker 2: doctors should be fucking committed, and this Brenner wanted him released,
Speaker 2: and she gives me Bronwin vibes. She really fucking does,
Speaker 2: and thank God for Deborah Ryan, who was a DA
Speaker 2: and she fought to keep him in and he's She's like,
Speaker 2: he's still a risk. And Judge Griffith did a lot
Speaker 2: like kept him inside and.
Speaker 3: Really fought it.
Speaker 2: So the judge also didn't like that Grist would refuse
Speaker 2: to meet with the state appointed psychiatrists. He only wanted
Speaker 2: to meet with the ones that were like he was
Speaker 2: able to manipulate. And so the doctor Barbara Ziv she testified,
Speaker 2: she's like a state person that was the state appointed person.
Speaker 2: She believed Grist would decompensate is that a word in
Speaker 2: a less restrictive environment, and that he only engages in
Speaker 2: therapy on a superficial level. But again the hospital staff
Speaker 2: just kept requesting that he be granted expanded privileges for
Speaker 2: unsupervised trips off hospital grounds. And so the judge finally
Speaker 2: in twenty thirteen allowed for off ground privileges. So he
Speaker 2: got to leave for an unsupervised outing for twelve hour
Speaker 2: stretches once a month, and for a twenty four hour
Speaker 2: stretch every three months, and then every Sunday he can
Speaker 2: go to church no matter what. And at church at
Speaker 2: the it was a Jehovah witness place.
Speaker 3: That's where he.
Speaker 2: Ended up meeting one of his two wives. What the
Speaker 2: woman he met here was a woman from New Zealand
Speaker 2: and she ended up continuing to be his wife forever,
Speaker 2: like they're together. And then the first wife was a
Speaker 2: nurse at the hospital who later ended up.
Speaker 1: Taking her own life. Oh my god, now they're kids. Wait,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Was he married to them at the same time?
Speaker 1: You said, like you know, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, sorry, I didn't say it right, like you
Speaker 2: know that that was just his second wife he met
Speaker 2: at church, like I do know how to order?
Speaker 1: Okay to talk about he had another wife that he
Speaker 1: met before. Okay, so, oh my god.
Speaker 2: So he married like a nurse and then she died sadly,
Speaker 2: and then he found this woman at church and they
Speaker 2: have stayed married. And his children, his daughters did not
Speaker 2: want him released and said that him being let out
Speaker 2: would fuck up their long road to recovery. Like they
Speaker 2: did not want him out. Yeah, but eventually, Jen he
Speaker 2: was released into the wild. So more than forty years later,
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty two, he was released from no for
Speaker 2: Orristown State Hospital.
Speaker 3: The judge, like, I.
Speaker 2: Said, Edward Griffith ruled that he could go free, but
Speaker 2: with the condition that he can have no contact with
Speaker 2: his daughters Angela and Beth Anne, who were forty nine
Speaker 2: and fifty at this time. He also mus had to
Speaker 2: meet with a psychiatrist monthly. And so Grace's next supervising
Speaker 2: psychiatrist comes on in and that's doctor Edgar Martinez and
Speaker 2: still with doctor Ira Brenner, part of the team who
Speaker 2: I think is Bronwin. And they were just like, listen,
Speaker 2: his psychosis was a long time ago, and it's been
Speaker 2: like subsidized a long time ago. Like he's not had
Speaker 2: a freak out in all these years in this hospital.
Speaker 2: But I also think he's a manipulative motherfucker and it
Speaker 2: wasn't psychosis and he should be in fucking prison getting
Speaker 2: a needle. Sorry, Like, And they said he still has
Speaker 2: some personality disorders, but those can't mandate commitment. And the
Speaker 2: DA's office was still against this. So he had an
Speaker 2: appointed lawyer named Marita Hutchinson. He also then hired a
Speaker 2: personal attorney named Michael Van Derven who he was known
Speaker 2: for representing Trump in his second impeachment trial.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Also, how does this man who I
Speaker 3: bet the woman the wife, Oh, paying for it? Jesus. Sure,
Speaker 3: he's not going to marry someone about money. He can't worry.
Speaker 3: He's not working as she's probably so.
Speaker 2: He's quoted by the Daily Local News, this Michael lawyer
Speaker 2: in quotes, he should not have been incarcerated for forty
Speaker 2: four years.
Speaker 3: I disagree.
Speaker 1: Was he even incarcerated. He wasn't incarcerated. He was in
Speaker 1: a medical facility.
Speaker 3: He wasn't in jail. Shit.
Speaker 2: And he's like her kid, He's like, if he had
Speaker 2: been convicted of a crime, he would have been out
Speaker 2: of prison by now. And again I disagree with that too.
Speaker 2: I think he would have gotten life for this violence.
Speaker 1: Yes, the murder of a two women, right, the grandmother
Speaker 1: died as well with her throat slit.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on. And then the murder of the baby, no, grandma.
Speaker 2: Grandma didn't die because it was a on count of
Speaker 2: homicide and two counts of life.
Speaker 3: She was solid one of murder.
Speaker 2: I mean come on. But also it's like screwdriver to
Speaker 2: your wife's pregnant belly and then you mutilated the fetus
Speaker 2: south side. Yeah, oh you gouged out an eye of
Speaker 2: your mild I this lawyer being like he would have
Speaker 2: been released. He would have gotten life, if not the
Speaker 2: death penalty, depending where I mean Pennsylvania, I don't know, well,
Speaker 2: this is a Trump guy, So so he moved in
Speaker 2: with his church wife, Francis Grist, who's quoted in the
Speaker 2: Philly Inchoir saying I've known him for eighteen years and
Speaker 2: I've loved him as long as I've known him. The
Speaker 2: Chester County DA Deborah Ryan, fought to keep him in
Speaker 2: custody and believes that there's still a risk of him
Speaker 2: having another violent breakdown. She's like, he committed one of
Speaker 2: the most brutal and heinous murders in our county's history,
Speaker 2: and his release is deeply troubling, and that's to the
Speaker 2: Philly Inquirer. Christ's attorney and Marita Hutchinson, said he is
Speaker 2: certainly pleased with the decision. Like he told me, I
Speaker 2: can't really feel happy because I have so much guilt
Speaker 2: and grief and regret for the deaths of my wife,
Speaker 2: an unborn child, and the injuries that happened to my daughters.
Speaker 2: In July twenty twenty, three months after he was let out,
Speaker 2: a Common Please Court Judge William P.
Speaker 3: Man mahon, what is it mho n mahon. Yeah, I am.
Speaker 2: Signed an order discontinuing the court's oversight of his mental
Speaker 2: health treatment after the attorneys and psychiatrists said he no
Speaker 2: longer fit the constraints of the States Protocol and so
Speaker 2: he gets to be in his seventies and never had
Speaker 2: to serve any time in prison for his brutal murders.
Speaker 2: So if any of our lawyers or researchers or anyone
Speaker 2: that studied this in school, I don't know, like, let
Speaker 2: me know what am I missing?
Speaker 3: What am I missing?
Speaker 1: And there was like that woman the woman we covered
Speaker 1: the Bobby Joe Sinet case, remember where the woman cut
Speaker 1: a fetus from another woman.
Speaker 3: She got the fucking death penalty.
Speaker 1: She got the fucking death penalty, and she was abused
Speaker 1: horrifically her entire fucking life and was put to death.
Speaker 1: That was what was just like to me, it's like
Speaker 1: this reeks of like a men being like this government
Speaker 1: has no right to like police this man's mind and
Speaker 1: this man's mental health. Where it's like if a woman
Speaker 1: did something like this, goodbye a mom even worse, you know,
Speaker 1: like just.
Speaker 3: Get out of here. You can't hurt a child, you
Speaker 3: can't kill Like, ugh, yeah, I want to read the transcripts.
Speaker 2: I just like, really, am not gonna do that, but
Speaker 2: I am like, I just need to know how this
Speaker 2: case went down because I am flabberg acid, like I
Speaker 2: do not understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for taking us through that crime. I
Speaker 1: had not heard of that. Pretty infuriating.
Speaker 2: I just don't know what I'm getting. And I'm into
Speaker 2: mental health, I'm into people. But You're right, I totally
Speaker 2: forgot about that case. Fucking put to death by Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Lisa Montgomery, we were really trying to get her
Speaker 1: commuted to life sentence, and.
Speaker 2: This Trump lawyer is just like, oh, come on, he
Speaker 2: wouldn't have served that much time. And I mean we
Speaker 2: talked about this with Eileen Werno's case, like women are
Speaker 2: put to death like.
Speaker 3: And pregnant women. Pregnant women are so susceptible. Oh horrible.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we don't have a guest today, so let's just
Speaker 1: jump right into our post mortem, which I believe we're
Speaker 1: kind of starting right now.
Speaker 3: This episode.
Speaker 1: Wow, what are we learning here? This guy don't marry
Speaker 1: a guy who fucking jesus, this guy he knew how
Speaker 1: to map out every second of this, Like go to
Speaker 1: the bar, order a drink, go across town, get the
Speaker 1: car for the car park, kill you with the car park,
Speaker 1: take you.
Speaker 3: Care like it was.
Speaker 2: This is like an anti nerd thing or thing you're saying.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you shouldn't be with smart guys. Listen, my
Speaker 2: husband is a fucking full nerd. There's no way he
Speaker 2: has the logistics to pull off something like what happened here.
Speaker 3: Absolutely not no, absolutely not no. He'd be in Yeah,
Speaker 3: he'd be in jail, meeting maybe in jail so quickly
Speaker 3: he would go down in history for leaving the most
Speaker 3: amount of evidence of any crime scene. That's what would
Speaker 3: be happening. That's true. And then yeah, I guess it.
Speaker 2: But also it's weird that they were even together. And
Speaker 2: I know that's rude, but the couple, it's like, I
Speaker 2: just don't get it.
Speaker 3: Sweater vest guy, Yeah, you're into the sweater vest guy.
Speaker 1: And then of course you meet Bobby Cannavale and you're
Speaker 1: like this guy, construction job guy.
Speaker 3: I want I want this, Yes.
Speaker 2: But do you think he knows that he is known
Speaker 2: as the guy with the funky tasting spunk through generations?
Speaker 2: Like I don't I know him from Blue Jasmine in that, like,
Speaker 2: that's pretty much. I know he's a prolific actor, but
Speaker 2: to me, I only think of the spunk, and I
Speaker 2: wonder if that would hurt him or not.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he knows that there's a subject of women
Speaker 1: where sex in the city is his biggest thing.
Speaker 3: Like I'm sure he.
Speaker 1: Knows that, right, Yeah, but it must be so awkward
Speaker 1: to go up to him on the street and be like,
Speaker 1: I loved you and sex and the city.
Speaker 3: You know, when your jiz tastes weird.
Speaker 1: Like it's just such a way, like that is a
Speaker 1: weird fan interaction, I would say.
Speaker 2: And that he did kill his baby. It's oh, it's
Speaker 2: just like men, it just needs to be rewired. I
Speaker 2: just don't it might not be my baby, so I'll
Speaker 2: kill you, like I don't. It's really I mean, you
Speaker 2: can't trust anybody out there, just tough.
Speaker 1: He was also so sure it wasn't his baby, like
Speaker 1: they hadn't fucked in a long time. So but then
Speaker 1: it was weird that it was, but maybe they just
Speaker 1: it would have been kind of a good extra twist
Speaker 1: if at the end they were like just kidding, it
Speaker 1: wasn't your baby. And then like he just confessed kidding
Speaker 1: it wasn't yours.
Speaker 2: And then we probably talked about it on the app.
Speaker 2: But this is the episode where Benson Well, Peter Herman,
Speaker 2: and Marishka met.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is the episode they iconically met on an
Speaker 1: episode called Monogamy, which is ironic and funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then their first day was at church and
Speaker 2: I will be hopefully asking her about that one day.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just saw something that was on like Instagram
Speaker 1: or or Twitter or something. It's like but you know
Speaker 1: where it's these long things and you're like these long
Speaker 1: stories and you're kind of like is this true or not?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: People are doing these posts now where it's like interesting
Speaker 1: fact you might not know.
Speaker 3: And it's like basically it's.
Speaker 1: All about her meeting Peter Herman on the set and
Speaker 1: how she just like knew immediately that it was like
Speaker 1: this was the guy for her and.
Speaker 3: Like YadA YadA.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm on the trivia for the episode. Also, this
Speaker 2: is the first one to not show the Twin Towers
Speaker 2: in the opening credits. Oh yeah, so that's just something
Speaker 2: just a very important episode, I think.
Speaker 3: And while into the history.
Speaker 2: And while in interrogating Manning Stabler, wears a flag pin
Speaker 2: on his lapel, most likely in honor of the Twin Towers.
Speaker 2: Are you as like someone on IMDb like making that up?
Speaker 2: But also you can say helpful or not helpful, And
Speaker 2: six people did think that was a helpful trivia, So.
Speaker 1: Pretty good eagle eye looking out for those American flags.
Speaker 3: Wherever we can get.
Speaker 1: Anyway, we can move on, we can go into our
Speaker 1: what would Sister Peg do? This is our weekly segment
Speaker 1: where we point you towards a resource, a blog, an article,
Speaker 1: a book, something that gives you more information about the
Speaker 1: topic we talked about in today's episode. And this week
Speaker 1: we want to direct you guys to the National Partnership
Speaker 1: for Women and Families. The mission of this organization is
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Speaker 1: They also have a program called Childbirth Connection, which connects
Speaker 1: women to high quality pregnancy information so that they can
Speaker 1: make informed decisions for their birth plans. I also found
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