1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in Tuesday edition Clay Travis Buck 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Sexton Show. Appreciate all of you hanging out with us 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: as we roll through today's program. Got a couple of 5 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 1: great guests coming down the line. Tutor Dixon, an awful 6 00:00:17,160 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: story out of Michigan, another legal immigrant taking a life 7 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: that is getting a great deal of attention and none 8 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,239 Speaker 1: of these should be happening. We will talk about that 9 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: with her, as well as Michigan as a battleground state. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 1: She's part of the Clay and Buck podcast network. Andy 11 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: McCarthy on the absolute latest wranglings related to the Trump 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: legal process. All of that coming your way during the 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: course of the show. But there are three big stories 14 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: I would say in conjunction that we will be talking about. 15 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:52,239 Speaker 1: The Francis Scott Key Bridge, I'm sure many of you 16 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: have seen by now collapsed after being hit by a 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: large tanker. The bridge saw this last night happen. Buck. 18 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 1: When I saw the video, I thought it had to 19 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: be AI with all of the talk about AI, because 20 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: I had just never seen a bridge, certainly not in America, 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: collapse like this one did. When it was struck by 22 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: the boat. They are still looking for survivors potentially, but 23 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: it sounds like there will be six to eight casualties, 24 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: which given the collapse of the bridge, is really remarkable. 25 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,360 Speaker 1: They were able to may day ahead potentially and keep 26 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 1: the number of cars limited on that bridge. But just 27 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: a crazy story to follow. We'll talk about that. Truth 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 1: Social has made its debut and Donald Trump on paper 29 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: is now has now has over five billion dollars in 30 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: truth Social stock. Let me see what the absolute latest 31 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: on this is. Buck out there. 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 2: I had coffee with a friend this morning who knows 33 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: the financial world, and we both came to this inclusion. 34 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 2: It's remarkable the Democrats seem to be in process of 35 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: making Trump president again and making him a billionaire again 36 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 2: so he can make America great again. 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: I mean that the. 38 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 2: Legal stuff is backfiring, the financial stuff is backfiring. I 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 2: know it's early. I know we don't know where this 40 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: all ends up. But Clay, if someone had told me 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: that Trump was gonna be worth five billion liquid in 42 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 2: addition to all the real this is totally separate from 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 2: all the real estate holdings and all the brand value, 44 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,839 Speaker 2: I would have said not in a million years. 45 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just so hard to do that, and 46 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: here we are. That is also where I hope that 47 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: the legacy of the lawfair is going to be, that 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: it blows up so much in Democrats' faces that even 49 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: though legally someone might be willing to try it again, 50 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: that they set around and say, well, remember what happened 51 00:02:55,240 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: with Trump. Let's be careful here. Let's try to beat 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: him in the ballot box and not try to put 53 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: him in prison for the rest of his life and 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: bankrupt him. I also would say this, there are a 55 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: lot of you out there listening that are very frustrated 56 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: with what you've seen occurring in our culture, whether it's 57 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: bud Light, whether it's Planet Fitness, whether it's Disney, the 58 00:03:14,120 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: culture of wokeness that has infected so much of this 59 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: country right now. I think Elon Musk calls it accurately 60 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: buck the woke mind virus that has taken over and 61 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: led so many of us fellow citizens astray. There is 62 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: opportunity in chaos, and there is opportunity in awful decision making. 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: And Trump is becoming this is the greatest wealth creation 64 00:03:42,200 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: day in his entire life, and he's had a lot 65 00:03:45,000 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: of them over the years, and it's all because they 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: banned him from Twitter, from Instagram, from Facebook, from all 67 00:03:53,200 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: of those companies. If they just hadn't banned him, I 68 00:03:55,960 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: think the odds of him starting his own social media 69 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: company would have been low. He saw the opportunity, he's 70 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: taken advantage of it. We don't know where it's going 71 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: to go from here, and we'll have some conversations about this, 72 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: but the fact that he was able to create this 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: situation at all is a testament to see an opportunity 74 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: and seizing it. 75 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: I think it would be hard to come up with 76 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: a way to unite conservatives more aggressively together than to 77 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:30,039 Speaker 2: do exactly what they have been doing for so many 78 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 2: people that I know. You know, for example, even if 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 2: I remember Tucker said this that when they rated mar 80 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:40,159 Speaker 2: A Lago, as much as he was frustrated about some 81 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 2: aspects of you know, twenty twenty and Jay six and 82 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 2: everything else with regard to Trump, and Tucker said that 83 00:04:46,120 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 2: that it was just over for him. It's all about 84 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 2: not let it. You can't let this stand. Like you 85 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 2: don't have a republic anymore, you don't have a system 86 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,719 Speaker 2: of elected government and rule of law instead of rule 87 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,040 Speaker 2: of men, if you can and just have on some 88 00:05:01,600 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 2: preposterous pretext, as we said all along, like you know, 89 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 2: if they found five bodies in the yard at mar 90 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 2: A Lago, Okay, we get it right, Like you know, 91 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: there are there are reasons to investigate. They sent an 92 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 2: FBI team into the guy's house over documents, and I 93 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: know all the arguments to his president, but just put 94 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,000 Speaker 2: that aside for a second. It obviously didn't need to happen. 95 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 2: It was show trial stuff. It was Soviet stuff. And 96 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 2: so for a lot of people any misgivings that they've 97 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 2: had about you know, is Trump the right guy again? 98 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: Maybe he was the right guy in twenty sixteen at 99 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, is he still the right guy given what 100 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: the Democrats have done to him? I think people are 101 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 2: shouting more than ever, more loudly than ever, on the 102 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 2: right he's the only guy. I also think it's evidence 103 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 2: of many of the narratives that Democrats have totally collapsing 104 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 2: around them. I read yesterday on Friday they sent out 105 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 2: the Biden Harris Camp did a email calling Donald Trump 106 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: broke don with the idea being, oh, he we've bankrupted him. 107 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 2: He doesn't have any money, and now he has tangible 108 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 2: wealth which no one can deny, which for a real 109 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: estate guy has always been the question about Trump in 110 00:06:12,920 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 2: the past, because what stake do you have in that building? 111 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: What's the value of that building at its present present price, 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: what is the interest rates going to be? What is 113 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: the actual yield on some of these properties? We never 114 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: really knew. Now all we have to do to figure 115 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: out what Trump's truth Social value is is just multiplied 116 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: the price of the stock times the number of shares 117 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:41,479 Speaker 1: that he has and he's made at the price that 118 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 1: it presently is roughly five billion dollars in truth Social today. 119 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: And I think you and I, if we had been 120 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: forecasting truth Social, I would have never expected Trump to 121 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 1: make even one billion dollars off truth Social if we 122 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: had been talking about this a couple of years ago. 123 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 1: When the company idea came out. 124 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 2: I also am very encouraged because I was for for years, 125 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: uh Clay, even before you and I you and I 126 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 2: teamed up for this show. One of the things that 127 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 2: I'll be honest, I would just get so frustrated about 128 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 2: was the recognition that the left had established control not 129 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 2: just of platforms but really of commerce that in the 130 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 2: digital you know, internet first era we lived in, they 131 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 2: had seized all the choke points. They had seized the 132 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: choke points for everything from social media to who's delivering 133 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 2: you know, toilet paper and boxes to your house, to 134 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: the web servers that are the things you have to 135 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 2: you know, run the electron through to even be on 136 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: the internet, all of it, they had taken all of it. 137 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,480 Speaker 2: The parallel economy that we are seeing emerging, and I 138 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 2: will say, uh, that includes some of our our stalwarts 139 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 2: sponsors on this show who have been with us for 140 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 2: years and with other conservative shows for years too. It 141 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: is growing by leaps and bounds because it is right 142 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 2: and it is necessary. 143 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 1: And I'm you know so that's. 144 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 2: Why when I see the truth social thing and I 145 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 2: see you know, different brands out there, and you know, 146 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: we're we're thinking Clay all the time about how we 147 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: could contribute to this as well. Yes, it's important to 148 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 2: build brands that share your values. I always tell people, 149 00:08:22,160 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: you know, I want conservative everything in my life at 150 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 2: least as an option. And if it is an option, 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna take it. That's why I 152 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 2: started out kick. I didn't know exactly where everything was going. 153 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: But if you and that's what I would say to 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: all of you out there, frustration, anger, that's not a strategy, 155 00:08:41,840 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: but it can lead to a strategy. 156 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: And if you are an entrepreneur, if you are a capitalist, 157 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: there are a lot of opportunities out there, as Buck 158 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: said in the Parallel Economy, for you to find a 159 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: way to not just make money, which is great, but 160 00:08:57,760 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: to also make money while advocating for things that you 161 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: believe in and throwing a punchback at this woke universe. 162 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,559 Speaker 1: Here's Stuart Varney, by the way, on Fox Business discussing 163 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: Truth Social Now. To be fair, there is a meme 164 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: stock element to this. For those of you who followed 165 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Game Stop, bed Bath and beyond. I bet a lot 166 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of people who are listening to us right now are 167 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 1: buying stock in Truth Social symbol DGT DJT sorry because 168 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: they want to show support for Donald Trump. And Stuart 169 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: Varney talks about that a little bit. Cut five. I'm 170 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: going to get back to DJT as in Donald J. Trump. 171 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 3: The stock is now forty one percent, it's open for 172 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 3: trading azov this morning. Are people buying this company this 173 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:46,400 Speaker 3: stock because they think it's got inherent value or because 174 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 3: they want to demonstrate support for Donald Trump. I think 175 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 3: it's almost like a meme stock, and that's the way 176 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 3: it they'll play out. It's a bet on whether Trump 177 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 3: wins or loses in November of this year. If he loses, 178 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 3: I think the stock Ghost will down. If he wins, 179 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 3: it looks like he's going to win. I think the 180 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 3: stock does well because then truth Social will will do well. 181 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 1: I think there's some truth to that. Again, what is 182 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: the actual market value here? Just to be fair, who 183 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:21,559 Speaker 1: is this? This is Truth Social is essentially worthless? Not surprising. 184 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Adam Pollock says, if Trump tried to sell the company 185 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: would go to zero. Here's cut eight. 186 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 4: I think that the value is essentially worthless. This is 187 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 4: a company that doesn't make any money. And sure they 188 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 4: could change the bylaws and end the lock up period 189 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 4: and go to market and sell US share. Someone will 190 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 4: buy US share two shares. But if they went to 191 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 4: market and tried to sell three billion dollars, the value 192 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 4: of the stock would go to zero practically immediately. 193 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: That's what I said yesterday to be fair that it's 194 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,559 Speaker 2: not like you can just unload the stock and then 195 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 2: everything will be fine, So it's not quite as clear 196 00:10:57,840 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 2: as you know. It's not like Trump got to check 197 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 2: three billion dollars for winning the lottery. You know, this 198 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: is not money in the bank even with that, by 199 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: the way, as anyone, I don't know how many lottery 200 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 2: winners we have. You know that they always give you 201 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 2: some lump sum option payment upfront, which is a tiny 202 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 2: fraction of the overall because they pay you in yearly 203 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 2: installments for the rest of your life. And you know, 204 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 2: people would rather have a lot of money at once. 205 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 2: I think though that Clay. What we see is people 206 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: are recognizing that, you know, conservative media came along, thank 207 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 2: you Rush and then Fox News and some sites on 208 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:35,479 Speaker 2: the internet and were it was it was finally possible 209 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,440 Speaker 2: to have a little bit of of a of a 210 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 2: counter narrative, right, But what we've seen is the counter 211 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: narrative is not enough if they're going to control everything 212 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: that you can buy, and they're going to control everyone's 213 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: retirement accounts, and they're going to have all that so. 214 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 1: In every ad agency, which may be the locust of 215 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: all industries in the entire country. 216 00:11:55,320 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, and so you look at the way that that 217 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 2: market dominant is cracking and I just think it's such 218 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: a good thing. It's such a good thing for the country. 219 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 2: We're the early stages of it, to be clear. I mean, 220 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 2: if you look at the assets that a Blackstone has 221 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, black Rock has well. I mean Blackstone is 222 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 2: huge too, but that's private equity. But black Rock has 223 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 2: under management for example, And you look at Vanguard and 224 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: these huge companies. 225 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: I know. That's why you know Viveik has been trying. 226 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 2: To push a conservative values aligned financial sector effectively. I mean, 227 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 2: he's starting out with one company, but he's trying to 228 00:12:30,280 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 2: do more than that. Because if at the end of 229 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:38,479 Speaker 2: the day, we're hoping for the good graces of the 230 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 2: board of directors of some multi national media conglomerate to 231 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: say I'm going to allow conservative voices, you know, there 232 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: are very few places where that's going to be able 233 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:53,719 Speaker 2: to happen. There are a lot of places where you're 234 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 2: gonna get what you have at Morning Joe, which I 235 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,200 Speaker 2: want to talk more about, Clay. Yes, they have gone 236 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: full blown insane, and I think this all ties together right, 237 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:06,520 Speaker 2: They've gone full blown insane over let's be honest, a 238 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:11,719 Speaker 2: not particularly effective milk toast Republican joining the ranks at 239 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: NBC News. They are acting like they have I mean, 240 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 2: they're acting like they've hired Clay and Buck. They're acting 241 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 2: like they've thrown you know, Alex Jones on there. I mean, 242 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:26,320 Speaker 2: they're they're going all in against Ronna McDaniel. 243 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: And they're only paying her again, three hundred thousand dollars. 244 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: And people say, well, that's a lot of money. That 245 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,079 Speaker 1: is nothing relative to what It's not like they gave 246 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: her thirty million dollars like they did Rachel Maddow. I mean, 247 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: this is a relatively you know, normal contributor contract for 248 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: someplace like Nbczoro probably makes close to ten million dollars 249 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: a year, oh at least at least. Yeah. 250 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 2: So, I mean this is the stuff that we're up 251 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: against and you're seeing. So yeah, No, I think it's 252 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:58,120 Speaker 2: really important and and putting your money where your values 253 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 2: are and Pure Talk is another way to do that, 254 00:14:00,640 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: and this is right in the center of the news 255 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: cycle because it is so important right now. Puretalk is 256 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: a big believer in supporting the values that you and 257 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: I care about. As a company. You see, they're aligned 258 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 2: with this show. They're a partner with us, which means 259 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 2: they're a partner in essence with you and with the 260 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 2: basic liberties that we need for this country to continue 261 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: to flourish. 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Or do you actually want to support a 281 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 2: company that supports you that's Pure Talk, Dial pound two 282 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 2: five zero. Say the keywords Play and Buck switch the 283 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 2: cell phone company that I use every day that I 284 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 2: trust Pure talk. 285 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: They're here to shed light on the truth every day. 286 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton, welcome back into Play and 287 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,960 Speaker 2: Buck eight hundred two eight two two eight eight two 288 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 2: on those lines you want to call and chat with us. 289 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 2: I want to dive into this. There's a number of 290 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: these things it is. It is rare for me to 291 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 2: be taken aback. I believe it's a nautical term for 292 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 2: when the wind switches on you and hits your sale 293 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: in the wrong direction. By the way, fun fact, to 294 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 2: be taken a back or a back. You knew this, 295 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: right you're looking at No, I did not know that. 296 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: I was just thinking that there are two things that 297 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: everybody to a large extent, knew a lot about back 298 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: in the day, riding horses and sailing, you know, boats 299 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: and how to do it that we know nothing about now. 300 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 2: A lot of it influences our terminology. Yeah. So anyway, 301 00:16:16,760 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 2: I'm rarely taken aback by the libs because I know 302 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: how crazy they are, and I feel like I've made 303 00:16:20,680 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 2: a life study of insane libs. As a conservative who 304 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:25,960 Speaker 2: grew up in New York City. But the freak out 305 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: over roon a McDaniel is just wild over at NBC News. 306 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 2: This is let's hear from. There's so many to choose from, Clay, 307 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 2: Let's start with Nicole Wallace ten. 308 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 5: In this instance, NBC News, either wittingly or unwittingly, is 309 00:16:39,480 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 5: teaching election deniers that what they can do stretches well 310 00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 5: beyond appearing on our air and interviews to pedal lies 311 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 5: about the sanctity and integrity of our elections, which Ron 312 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 5: McDaniels did yesterday. 313 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: I mean the press. 314 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 5: What we've also said election deniers is not just they 315 00:16:55,680 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: can do that on our airwaves, but that they can 316 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 5: do that as one of us, as bad carrying employees 317 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 5: of NBC News, as paid contributors to our sacred airwaves. 318 00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Our sacred airwaves. 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Okay, we 351 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: talked about this some yesterday, but this has gone to 352 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: just next levels of utter insanity, and I think we 353 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:17,719 Speaker 1: need to kind of contextualize how bonkers the culture of 354 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: many of these news organizations has become. Buck. They pay 355 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:28,160 Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow thirty million dollars a year now MSNBC does 356 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: to do one show a week. She's on every Monday. 357 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 1: She opened her show yesterday with a twenty seven minute 358 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:43,919 Speaker 1: rant about how unacceptable it was that Ronald McDaniel was 359 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: being hired by NBC. And I want to give you 360 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: a couple of these, a couple of these cuts. But 361 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: here is Mattow saying, Ronal McDaniel on the payroll is inexplicable. 362 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,800 Speaker 6: Listen, Ronal McDaniel will not appear on MSNB, so says 363 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 6: our boss since Saturday, and it has never been anything 364 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 6: other than clear. And I will also say, you know, 365 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 6: if you care what I think about this, I will 366 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 6: tell you the fact that miss McDaniel is on the 367 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 6: payroll at NBC News, to me, that is inexplicable. 368 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't you wouldn't. 369 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 6: You wouldn't hire like a wise guy. You wouldn't hire 370 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 6: a made man like a mobster to work at a 371 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 6: DA's office, right, You wouldn't hire a pickpocket to work 372 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 6: as a TSA screener. 373 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: And so I. 374 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 6: Find the decision to put her on the payroll inexplicable, 375 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 6: and I hope they will reverse their decision. 376 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: This is an awful analogy, first of all, because one 377 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:44,920 Speaker 1: of the primary ways that people who work in communications 378 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 1: for the Republican Party and the Democrat Party when they 379 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: leave politics is they go straight to media, just like 380 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: Jensaki just did. But even her analogy there, you wouldn't 381 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: hire someone as a lawyer who das go and become 382 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: defense attorneys all the time. That is one of the 383 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: primary ways that defense attorneys make their become skilled enough 384 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 1: is they learn what the prosecutor does, and then they're 385 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: able to defend better because they know the other side's playbook. 386 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: So this clutching of pearls that is going on over 387 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: Roona McDaniel is important because really what they're saying is 388 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 1: they're fine with Republicans so long as they all hate Trump, 389 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: which is what the arguments are. 390 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: Well, this is what they've been doing really for years. 391 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 2: And you know, CNN had a house cleaning even back 392 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:36,359 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen where they got rid of all the 393 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,919 Speaker 2: pro Trump Republicans that they had on the air before 394 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 2: because they were horrified in their minds their role in 395 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: helping to elevate Trump to the presidency by carrying his rallies. 396 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:49,280 Speaker 2: And as I've said many times, they thought it was 397 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 2: all just like a carnival, like a side show where 398 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 2: they get great ratings and the American people get a laugh. 399 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 2: As Hillary is, you know, measuring the drapes in the 400 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: White House for a second time. And what happened is 401 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 2: obviously we know what happened twenty sixteen, Trump wins. The 402 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: part of this, though we haven't gotten into yet, is 403 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 2: there's reporting and this is what's really amazing to me 404 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: that NBC News is thinking about withdrawing or you know, 405 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: canceling or contract already that this kind of pressure publicly 406 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: from hysterical lunatic news anchors in their employ might result 407 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 2: in them bailing on Ronald mcgannell. Which is just why 408 00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 2: I say you cannot be This is not overstatement. You 409 00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:34,640 Speaker 2: cannot be a Republican and take yourself seriously and go 410 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:41,280 Speaker 2: work on air at NBC or CBS or CNN, MSNBC. 411 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,760 Speaker 2: You can't because they won't have you. If they're willing 412 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 2: to have you, it's because you're a punching bag, or 413 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 2: as they used to call it. You ever heard the 414 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: phrase clay pigeon about this. 415 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: That's what they used to say. Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 416 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: It's a little bit like a like a jobber in wrestling, right, 417 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 2: isn't that the guy that gets thrown around? 418 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: Right? 419 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a clay pigeon. You're meant to get blown 420 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 2: to smithereens on TV and or your job is to 421 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 2: be a fake Republican who says I'm a Republican and 422 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: let me say, I'm just here to bash Donald Trump. Well, 423 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,840 Speaker 2: you know, the whole Republican Party is unifying behind Donald 424 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 2: Trump right now. So if you're a Republican and all 425 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 2: you're going to do is bash Trump and say you're 426 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: going to vote for Democrats, I think there's some confusion 427 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:21,439 Speaker 2: about what party you belong to. 428 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: I also think there's a couple of other things that 429 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: are at play here. One, the media power is collapsing. 430 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: Can you think of anyone in traditional media at NBC, 431 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: CBS or ABC that is really trusted by the American public. 432 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: I can't think of anyone. And you and I are 433 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: old enough to remember the days when a Dan Rather 434 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: or Tom Brokaw or Peter Jennings what they said actually 435 00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: did carry a lot of weight, and they were at 436 00:23:57,160 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: least pretending that they were playing it down the middle. 437 00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: Now was that true? Okay? I think you can make 438 00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: arguments against it, and certainly this comes out of the 439 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,120 Speaker 1: Walter Cronkite era, but there was sort of this gatekeeper 440 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: aspect to the media where there was trustworthiness here. Think 441 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: about NBC doesn't have a single person on its airwaves 442 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: that I'm aware of fuck that would say, yeah, I'm 443 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: voting for Trump. I think he's the better choice than Biden. 444 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, how can you be representative or speak to America 445 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 2: in a way that you're supposed to connect when you 446 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 2: don't have a single person in the any broader news 447 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: network ecosystem that you're operating who understands what what half 448 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: the country thinks. 449 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:36,919 Speaker 1: What was your first have we talked about this? What 450 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: was your first ever internship? My first ever internship was 451 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: on Capitol Hilly with h with the Nashville congressman at 452 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: the time when I was at GW. I went and 453 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: uh and interned in that Nashville Congressman's off. 454 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,960 Speaker 2: Because because my my first internship at CBS, right, CBS okay, 455 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: I have the CBS even News with Dan Rather Okay, yeah, 456 00:24:57,119 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 2: And and people would say, oh, Buck, I thought you 457 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 2: were a conservative high school yeah, Will, I didn't know. 458 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,000 Speaker 2: I didn't know that this was the gold standard like 459 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 2: CVS even News with Dan Rather, this is non political. 460 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,520 Speaker 2: I was like a seventeen year old kid. I didn't 461 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 2: know anything. Maybe I just earned eighteen and I'm working there. 462 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 2: And I just remembered, even at that young age, being 463 00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: just shocked at sitting in the meetings how like rabidly 464 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 2: partisan because they would now I was a little interned. 465 00:25:23,560 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 2: I was literally fetching tapes and coffee. 466 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: Yeah. 467 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 2: I was want to be very I was doing the 468 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,160 Speaker 2: most low level stuff, but they let me sit in. 469 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 2: And I'm not an imbecile, you know. I was a 470 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: pretty stavvy kid. And I would hear them, I'm like, wow, 471 00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,760 Speaker 2: they just all like hate hate Republicans. Is this is 472 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 2: how it was very obvious, very clear, and beyond that, 473 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 2: I was amazed. Also, Dan rather not smart, like not 474 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 2: a wise, knowledgeable, well read guy at all, spent a 475 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 2: lot of time in the makeup chair and a lot 476 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 2: of time staring at himself as he read lines written 477 00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,480 Speaker 2: by other people. And I was like, this guy's basically 478 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 2: an actor. Yeah, And that was a really formative realization 479 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,879 Speaker 2: at a very young age. I was like, oh, so 480 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 2: this is all a fraud. Basically, this whole thing is 481 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:08,439 Speaker 2: a fraud. 482 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 1: And I do think it's important to remember that these 483 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: are public airwaves. And I haven't heard anybody talk about this, 484 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: but CBS, NBC, ABC, you have an obligation to try 485 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: and represent the nation on your airwaves because these are 486 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: publicly owned airwaves. And it's different than on MSNBC or 487 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: Fox News or CNN, which are cable premium channels that 488 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 1: we all pay for. You can still get ABC, CBS 489 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: and NBC if you go put you know, you go 490 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: put your antenna up. You can still pull these things 491 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: out the out of the sky. And so I haven't 492 00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: heard have you heard anybody talk about this? This is actually, 493 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: I think a really interesting angle to attack. NBC arguably 494 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: is actually obligated to hire someone like Roni McDaniel because 495 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: while MSNBC might only want to cover left wing and 496 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: propaganda for Democrats, as a cable channel, NBC News has to, ostensibly, 497 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: under the equal time doctrine, not be producing a propaganda 498 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,960 Speaker 1: news broadcast, and so having someone like Roni McDaniel is 499 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: not only arguably good for business to have as many 500 00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: people that you're speaking to as possible, arguably it's required. 501 00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: And I haven't heard anybody make an argument about that. 502 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: As everybody is losing their minds on MSNBC, you can't. 503 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: And in fact, I think we should play this because 504 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,920 Speaker 1: this is the real world that we're in right now. 505 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,680 Speaker 1: I'm why don't why don't we tease with This's a 506 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 1: good idea. We'll play what exactly they want to do 507 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,159 Speaker 1: and uh and what they're actually trying to do and 508 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: why I believe that is so incredibly significant. Whenn't we 509 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: come back? Yes, you just have to give us a minute. 510 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:10,439 Speaker 2: When it comes to finding a mortgage company you can trust, 511 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 2: count on American Financing, a family owned mortgage company that 512 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,080 Speaker 2: has been around for twenty five years. Look the first 513 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: home I ever bought to live in, I used American Financing. 514 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 2: That tells you something, right. 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Because if we don't want any 539 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: of those election denials? 540 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: Makes me so scared they denial elections. 541 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 2: I'm like, wait, didn't Donald Trump win the twenty sixteen 542 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: election because of Russia? Oh no, that's a lie. But 543 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: all the Democrats said that for four years. 544 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: That's so weird. Yeah. And also, just to make an 545 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: analogy here, Donna Brazil got hired by Fox News. Again 546 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: not a direct analogy because Fox News a cable company, 547 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: but did you hear anyone at Fox News publicly lose 548 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: their mind over Fox News hiring one of Hillary's top advisors? 549 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: And Donna Brazilla spent years saying that Trump stole the 550 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen election, and she goes on as the Democrat 551 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,880 Speaker 1: strategist who was breaking down twenty twenty election night coverage. 552 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, she is the Democrat there. You know that 553 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,960 Speaker 1: Fox News has Herald Ford Junior. They have a lot 554 00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: of people who are Democrats on their network. Still, the 555 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: origins of our business, some would trace back to the 556 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: debates between Gore Vidal and William F. Buckley. That was 557 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: a very early version of this. 558 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,360 Speaker 2: You know, I know there was there was Buckley crossfire 559 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: and stuff, but the the Vidal Buckley debates that happened, 560 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 2: I forget what year it was for the presidential election, 561 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,760 Speaker 2: but got you know, a lot of attention and very 562 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:53,400 Speaker 2: But it was always supposed to be the exchange, the 563 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,640 Speaker 2: back and forth of ideas from different sides like that. 564 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 2: That's kind of the origins of this. I mean, political 565 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 2: debate is supposed to be exchange of ideas. And what's 566 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 2: happened in the Internet era is we've just gotten increasingly siloed. 567 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,640 Speaker 2: And as you and I always say, like I'll go on, 568 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 2: I mean I've done, Bill Mahrs. You know you'll be 569 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 2: on at some point it's crazy that you haven't been on, 570 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 2: but you'll be on at some point. But that's one 571 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 2: of the very rare places these days where you can 572 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: be right of center and even get invited on. And 573 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 2: you know, it's not fair there, like I was. It 574 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 2: was four on one when I'm there, and. 575 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,080 Speaker 1: People was like, you should just go squort shirts. 576 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,560 Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, but you just end up yelling over. 577 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 2: You can't do that, right, you only have so much 578 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 2: time to talk or else you sound like a crazy 579 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 2: person is just shouting over everybody. But anyway, here's how 580 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 2: they want things to be though, So that's one. One 581 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,239 Speaker 2: version of it is the Buckley Vidal. Do you know 582 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 2: that clip? By the way, Clay, do you know what 583 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: I'm talking about? 584 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: Or he's like, listen, you know he Buckley lost his 585 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,080 Speaker 1: cool little bit with the Vidal. Do you know what 586 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: I'm talking about? Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Buckley Buckley 587 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: got a little hot under the collar. Anyway, here is 588 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: uh maybe we'll play that well. Anyway, here is uh. 589 00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,400 Speaker 2: Alyssa Farroh Griffin over at CNN say, oh no, I'm 590 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: sorry on the view she's on CNNA and oh she's 591 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 2: on CNN. Yes, what she's a view host, there we go, 592 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 2: cause you're welcome everywhere if you're a lid. This is 593 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 2: what should be the way play it. 594 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 7: I feel very strongly, obviously that there needs to be 595 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 7: a Republican representation in media. We represent fifty percent of 596 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 7: the country, but there are credible Republicans who never dabbled 597 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 7: in this dangerous lie that Joe Biden didn't legitimately win 598 00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 7: the election, who would be far better served for NBC 599 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,880 Speaker 7: could offer the same expertise but with more credibility. I 600 00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 7: think if people like Chris Christy, Chris Kreb, Sarah Matthew, 601 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 7: Smick mulvaney willhard to give her this platform when she 602 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 7: was such a contributor, she hosted that insane RNC press 603 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 7: conference where they blamed Hugo Shavas, who was no longer 604 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 7: with us, for stealing the election. Like there's just such 605 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 7: a credibility factor, and I think it. 606 00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: Was a mistake. 607 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: She's the head, was the head of the RNC. Okay, 608 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 2: we all understand why she got hired. Clay also, I 609 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 2: was trying to think, what are the names Chris Christie 610 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 2: who everybody that she named hates. So it's fine if 611 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:02,960 Speaker 2: you're a Republican to be hired as long as you 612 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 2: hate Trump, right, that's the so you have to hate 613 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,520 Speaker 2: you have to be a Republican who wants the Democrats 614 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,560 Speaker 2: to win. That's the standard. That's the rule for being 615 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 2: an acceptable Republican on the airwaves of ABC, CBS, NBCC 616 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,200 Speaker 2: and n ET cetera, and you know all these different 617 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:18,800 Speaker 2: news channels. 618 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: And again, I think the fact that this is a 619 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: public network is not getting enough attention. They are obligated, 620 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,840 Speaker 1: and we'll see whether they end up buckling to MSNBC 621 00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,360 Speaker 1: because Rachel Mattow had a big point of She's never 622 00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: going to appear on our airwaves. This is NBC news only. 623 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,720 Speaker 1: Do they not understand the equal time doctrine that arguably, 624 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 1: in order to have their license, NBC has an obligation 625 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: to do news, and they have an obligation to do 626 00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: news in not an incredibly part is in way now, 627 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: So many of you out there are going to say, well, 628 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: let's be honest, NBC, CBS, ABC, all of them have 629 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,400 Speaker 1: their own bias associated with that. I understand certainly they do, 630 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,720 Speaker 1: but it's different than what's permissible under the cable news standard. 631 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: So I don't hear anybody talking about this. But NBC 632 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 1: is obligated in many ways. I think buck to have 633 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: someone like Ron McDaniel to speak to Trum right now 634 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: is favor to win election. Over half of people right 635 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: now are saying they would vote for him. Think about 636 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,239 Speaker 1: what NBC is saying. You can't have anyone that is 637 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: paid by the network that over half of the nation 638 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:23,880 Speaker 1: is willing to vote for. 639 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,080 Speaker 2: And they wonder why the notion of trust and journalism 640 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 2: is It's just a punchline. Now it's a joke, and 641 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 2: no one takes seriously that these entities are are nonpartisan 642 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,680 Speaker 2: or even honest rights the it's gone beyond the level. 643 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:42,439 Speaker 2: I try to remind people of this all the time. 644 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 2: They've always been partisan, but they used to have a 645 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:51,319 Speaker 2: greater inclination toward factual honesty because they know without any 646 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,840 Speaker 2: without factual honesty, nobody who's intelligent will believe you, and 647 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 2: also at least go through the motions of hearing from 648 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:57,840 Speaker 2: the other side. 649 00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:58,200 Speaker 1: Right. 650 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but now that's been dispensed with, and this is 651 00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: how you get to I can't remember it was the 652 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 2: New York Times, the Washington Post, but openly there was 653 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,200 Speaker 2: democracytized in darkness and The Washington Post under the Trump era, 654 00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 2: but they started to say openly, we have to take 655 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 2: sides against Trump, because to take sides against Trump is 656 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: to side with the truth. And that was the you know, 657 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 2: this was like the absolutism that they were excusing. 658 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:25,960 Speaker 1: No doubt, and also it coincidentally was also what was 659 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,400 Speaker 1: necessary in order for their business to thrive as they 660 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: moved to a subscription based model. Remember, there is nobody 661 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 1: out there who wants to subscribe to The New York 662 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: Times and just get straight down the middle news. By 663 00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:41,200 Speaker 1: and large, The New York Times is a fan Democrat site, 664 00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: and people pay The New York Times to tell them 665 00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: you're right, your side is correct on everything. Republicans are awful. 666 00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: There isn't really a print publication that is the equivalent 667 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:54,719 Speaker 1: of the New York Times. People say, oh, the Wall 668 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:57,600 Speaker 1: Street Journal. Wall Street Journal is maybe a little bit 669 00:35:57,680 --> 00:35:59,600 Speaker 1: right of center. I mean, it's by far, I think 670 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,960 Speaker 1: the most reliable news organization from a print publication perspective. 671 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,799 Speaker 1: Maybe you say the New York Post, but it's not 672 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,960 Speaker 1: primarily a subscription based model. So everything is falling apart 673 00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: in terms of trying to cover and be fair to 674 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 1: both sides, which is what the ostensible purpose of NBCABC, 675 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: CBS all are as a function of getting their broadcast license. 676 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 1: We come back. We've got a couple of awesome guests 677 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: coming to your direction, by the way, Tutor Dixon, Andy McCarthy. 678 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon for the latest of what's going on in 679 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: the toss up state of Michigan, which if Biden loses, 680 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: he is going to end up not winning in twenty 681 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: twenty four almost definitively. And then Andy McCarthy on the calendar, 682 00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: the schedule, all of the legal machinations that are underway. 683 00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: We'll break all that down for you next couple of hours. 684 00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:48,120 Speaker 1: Appreciate all of you hanging and we'll take your calls. 685 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: Eight hundred and two A two to two eight A two. 686 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: Let's keep rolling into Allenbor two