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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

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Speaker 1: with you. John Zappas our special guest, is more than

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Speaker 1: thirty years of experience studying and investigating the paranormal. He

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Speaker 1: has had the opportunity to work for and with his

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Speaker 1: aunt and uncle ed and Lorraine Warren, and through the

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Speaker 1: hands on work and other investigators and clergy, he has

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Speaker 1: obtained a great deal of knowledge and understanding of the

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Speaker 1: paranormal and it's considered, without a doubt, one of the

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Speaker 1: most foremost authorities in the field today. He has worked

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Speaker 1: extensively with both spiritualists and psychics concerning how their knowledge

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Speaker 1: is used for channeling, reincarnation, or calling up the spirits

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Speaker 1: for information. He's got several books out including When Spirits Speak,

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Speaker 1: We Listen, Shadows of the Dark, Haunted By the Things

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Speaker 1: You Love, Demon Haunted. His websites are all linked up

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Speaker 1: at Coast to COASTAM dot com and John, welcome back,

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Speaker 1: my friend. How have you been. I'm doing very very good, sir.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm doing great? I miss our mutual

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Speaker 1: and the late Rosemary Ellen Guidley, Oh I missed her

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Speaker 1: so much, you know, I you know, her and I

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Speaker 1: bantering back and forth and just talking about different things.

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Speaker 1: But George, I don't know if we had discussed the

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Speaker 1: last time or not. But I had inherer to her

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Speaker 1: gin collection. Yes, she had about twenty or thirty pieces

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Speaker 1: of gin or gin that she did not, you know,

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Speaker 1: want to keep in the house. She had packed it

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Speaker 1: up and she had given it to me. To this day,

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Speaker 1: they're still packed up. I haven't unpacked him as of yet.

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Speaker 1: I thought that was, you know, a very nice thing

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Speaker 1: of different statues and things, a great gesture. I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, John, every time she was on our program

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Speaker 1: she mentioned you in some capacity. Every time. She was

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Speaker 1: just marvelous lady. Yes, absolutely, I first, dear, I first

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Speaker 1: got to know her when I was doing my local

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Speaker 1: show in Saint Louis back in nineteen ninety six. I

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Speaker 1: was just looking for guests, paranormal guests. I was doing

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Speaker 1: a local show and I went to the bookstore and

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Speaker 1: I stumbled across a book, The Encyclopedia of Dreams by

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Speaker 1: Rosemary Ellen Kylie, and we tracked her down and we

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Speaker 1: set her up as a guest, and she stayed our

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Speaker 1: guest locally, and then we brought her on the Coast

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Speaker 1: to Coast. I don't think she was doing Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast with Art Bell until I came in, and then

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Speaker 1: we brought her on as a guest, and she was

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Speaker 1: just on all the time. Wrote a book with me

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Speaker 1: called Talking to the Dead, and she was just one

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Speaker 1: of a kind. I missed her dearly. I wish if

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Speaker 1: she reincarnated, we'd find out who that was and we

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Speaker 1: get that person back on the air. You know, Oh kay, Date,

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Speaker 1: that would be fantastic. That would be the first thing

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Speaker 1: if she did reincarnate into anybody, George, the first thing

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Speaker 1: would be I take up the phone and she'd go, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I'll go Roa, You're back. I love it, I love it.

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Speaker 1: And then she went fast once she got her affliction,

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Speaker 1: didn't she Yes, yeah, I did. You know. It was

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Speaker 1: quite a battle that she had going on there. It

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Speaker 1: went into remission. They went vacationing, and she came back

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately they had found it in several other locations

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Speaker 1: and it just spread very very quickly. How's your husband

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Speaker 1: Joe doing. I haven't talked to him in a while.

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Speaker 1: He is doing very well. I was with him several

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Speaker 1: months back. We just got together and we were chit chatting,

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Speaker 1: going back and forth, and I said, I said to Joe,

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Speaker 1: I said, Joe, does she contact you? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: He goes, John, She's always around And I go, well,

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Speaker 1: what do you mean? He goes, I've never moved anything.

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Speaker 1: All her clothing, everything is stole in place. And I

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Speaker 1: to know what she's doing. We've got a great guest

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Speaker 1: that Karen Dahlman, who deals with the Ouiji board. Oh yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: And Karen claims that Rosemary's contacted her through the Ouiji board. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: she was telling me at the last convention we were

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Speaker 1: What was it like having Ed and Lorraine Warren as relatives?

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Speaker 1: You know, I always looked at it when people would

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Speaker 1: know it was I had an uncohol chase ghost you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: It's a different world today as far as you know,

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Speaker 1: paranormal investigating. You know, today we have thousands of paranormal

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Speaker 1: groups and so many things. It's just a totally different world.

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Speaker 1: They were giants, weren't they. Yes, they were mine goes.

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Speaker 1: I remember a lot of movies based on what they

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Speaker 1: when spirits speak, We listen, tell me about that, and

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Speaker 1: then we'll get into some of the other things. Sure,

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Speaker 1: it's a unique way that Debbie and Larry had put

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Speaker 1: the book together, writing up the different stories, talking about

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Speaker 1: communication with human spirit that could be causing our haunting.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean that it could be negative. What to

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Speaker 1: look for when children are having issues or something's happening. Again,

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Speaker 1: the three of us can get together. We can go in,

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Speaker 1: to investigate to find out what's going on. But what's

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Speaker 1: good about it is me going in as a demonologist,

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Speaker 1: Debbie going in as a psychic medium, Larry goes in

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Speaker 1: as our clergy, our priests. So we're able to basically

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Speaker 1: it more today, George, is the fact that, gee, you know,

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Speaker 1: more EVPs are you know, psychic photographs are we going

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Speaker 1: to collect? You know what I mean? The newer people. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a thrill. Today. I look at it more like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: The Conjurine, based on that very haunted house in Rhode Island,

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Speaker 1: which I'm told is up for sale for one point

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Speaker 1: two million dollars. Did you hear then? Yes, yes, Jenny

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Speaker 1: but it's taking its toll on them. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: it's a tourist attraction, isn't it basically? Yes, yes, So

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Speaker 1: that it's been on, well, they just might get that

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Speaker 1: continue who do you think the new owners, whoever they

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Speaker 1: I do, I do, George, because it's such a I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't want to live in it. Yeah, No, I wouldn't either.

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Speaker 1: But the simple fact that, you know, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: I think from what jenne Corey have said. I was

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Speaker 1: John a long time ago, long time ago. It was

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Speaker 1: the five little girls. Well, they had gone in to

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Speaker 1: the original piece of property, George, was well over a

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Speaker 1: And there's the spirit called beth Sheba. I mean, there's

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Speaker 1: It's never never the same thing. Yeah, never the same.

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Speaker 1: Do you get scared on some of these events that

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Speaker 1: with so my guard goes very high. I think today, George,

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Speaker 1: after all these years, one thing that would really fascinate

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Speaker 1: just like the head of the Girl and the Exorcist.

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Speaker 1: Ed and Lorraine Warren that got you interested in the paranormal?

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Speaker 1: of my other little cousins. We grew up. Edge's mom

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Speaker 1: the holidays, George. When Edda Lorraine would come to visit,

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Speaker 1: find that right location, are you sure? Well, maybe Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas for you, John, Well, huh, there's already competition out there, Buddy.

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