WEBVTT - Did Picasso try to Steal the Mona Lisa?

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeartRadio. Guess what will? What's that? Mango? So I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to write a poem for the Mona Lisa and

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<v Speaker 1>I need little help. Rhyme Zone says there's no perfect

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<v Speaker 1>rhyme for Mona Lisa. So what do you think rhyme's best?

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<v Speaker 1>Like amnesia anesthesia or moesha? Wait, Mango? First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>why are you writing Mona Lisa poem? Because even though

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<v Speaker 1>there are over a million pieces of art in the Louver,

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<v Speaker 1>the Mona Lisa is the only one who actually receives

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<v Speaker 1>her own mail, and people have been writing to the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa since the nineteenth century. She even has her

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<v Speaker 1>own mailbox because the painting is so enchanting. So I'm curious, So, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what what do people actually write? Some of the letters

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<v Speaker 1>express how moved people are by the artwork, and some

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<v Speaker 1>ask the smirking Beauty for advice, and some of the

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<v Speaker 1>letters actually include marriage proposals.

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<v Speaker 2>It is pretty incredible. I love that people have a

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<v Speaker 2>parasocial relationship with a piece of art. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>the first time I've heard about this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it used to be. For years you actually

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<v Speaker 1>have to make a trip to the Louver to pass

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<v Speaker 1>along your fan mail tour. But these days you can

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<v Speaker 1>actually post a letter to the museid Louver service de

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<v Speaker 1>public attention dey Mona Lisa, which I've obviously said in

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<v Speaker 1>a perfect franch accent. You nailed it, Mango, So I figure,

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<v Speaker 1>why not add to the file.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, in that case, maybe try rhyming Mona Lisa with

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<v Speaker 2>milk of Magnesia, Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where you would have an answer for me. So

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we put the poetry aside for a moment

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<v Speaker 1>and dive into today's episode, which is all about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, their podcast listeners, I'm Will Pearson and as always

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<v Speaker 2>I'm here with my good friend Mango and sitting behind

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<v Speaker 2>that big booth that's our powd Dylan. Now, Mango, I

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<v Speaker 2>know I got here a little bit before you did,

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<v Speaker 2>but Dylan was already here. I think he had clocked

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<v Speaker 2>in a good half hour before I even sat down,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's been holding that weird smile Mona Lisa's style for.

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<v Speaker 1>The last hour. Now. It's really impressive. Yeah, it's weird,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's also really captivating. It's also crazy that he

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<v Speaker 1>shaved his eyebrows. I mean, it's just spot on to

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<v Speaker 1>the Mona Lisa. But that's just the links to Dylan

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<v Speaker 1>goes to for these bits. It's truly impressive. Anyway, mego,

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<v Speaker 1>let's dive in here. So what is it about the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa that is so captivating? Like?

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<v Speaker 2>Why do people stand in lines to get into the

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<v Speaker 2>louver just so they can stand in this huge crowd

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<v Speaker 2>and try to see this painting? Is it just her

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<v Speaker 2>smile or like what is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah? So obviously it's not just the smile. First of all,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a super good painting, which I believe is a

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<v Speaker 1>direct quote from our forum.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think, I think, I think I remember seeing

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<v Speaker 2>that quote. But what makes the painting so unique? Well,

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<v Speaker 2>to start with, most sixteenth.

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<v Speaker 1>Century portraits of nobility showed off their social status and

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<v Speaker 1>their wealth with a lot of like flamboyant clothing. So

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<v Speaker 1>the painting's also played up hair styles and accessories. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know, if you've seen the Mona Lisa, which is

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<v Speaker 1>believed to be this Italian noble Lisa del Giacondo, it's

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<v Speaker 1>unique because she's dressed really simply, all of which draws

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<v Speaker 1>most of the attention straight to her face and that

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<v Speaker 1>weird smile. Yeah, but there's also other stuff, right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>typical Italian portraiture used full figure poses, but Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>is painted in this revolutionary three fourths length pose. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>she's not stoic or demure, which would be typical of

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<v Speaker 1>a female portrait. She's she's turning slightly toward the viewer

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<v Speaker 1>and she meets our eyes directly like a man typically would,

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<v Speaker 1>or a man at the time. And mod Lisa also

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<v Speaker 1>showcases some very vinci techniques. What would those be? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this technique called sfumtu, which means vanished or evaporated. Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>Leonardo would create these imperceptible transitions between light and dark

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<v Speaker 1>by shading the colors really gradually so that the background

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<v Speaker 1>fades into the distance. It's almost like adding a blur filter.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's another deviation from traditional Italian portraiture of the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which would paint the backgrounds in this same sharp focus

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<v Speaker 1>as the central figure. Actually, is this fuma to also

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<v Speaker 1>a drink. Yeah, it's in a marrow, which makes sense

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<v Speaker 1>because if you drink enough smatu, things are going to

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<v Speaker 1>get faded into the background.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just want to say it's Fu Matu over

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<v Speaker 2>and over. But this is all cool. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think we should get back to the Mona Lisa's weird smile.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I keep bringing it up, but I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like we have to talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's the smile that launched a mediocre two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and three movie emego. It's sixty percent on Rotten Tomato,

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<v Speaker 1>so I would say, I don't sleep on it. So

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<v Speaker 1>I was up.

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<v Speaker 2>I just, you know, I like to know what it

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<v Speaker 2>gets on rotten tomatoes. But I also looked into Mona

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa's smile and it's amazing. Like the preoccupation with the

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<v Speaker 2>painting smile dates back to the Renaissance writer and historian

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<v Speaker 2>Giorgio Vasari, and he actually said, in this work of Leonardo,

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<v Speaker 2>there was a smile so pleasing that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>thing more divine than human to behold, and it was

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<v Speaker 2>held to be something marvelous in that it was alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds spooky. Sounds spooky.

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<v Speaker 2>But he also wasn't the only one that was so

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<v Speaker 2>captivated here. So the treacherous attraction of Moasa's smile is

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<v Speaker 2>said to have consumed French artist Luke Maspero too. According

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<v Speaker 2>to popular myth, Maspero allegedly ended his life over it.

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<v Speaker 2>We actually leapt from the I know it's crazy, actually

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<v Speaker 2>leapt from the fourth story window of his Paris hotel room,

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<v Speaker 2>and in the note he left behind, he wrote, for years,

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<v Speaker 2>I have grappled desperately her smile. I prefer to die.

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<v Speaker 1>That's so dramatic, you know, you know, why would a

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<v Speaker 1>smile and a painting drive someone so crazy? It it

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<v Speaker 1>feels ludicrous.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know what, there's actually some science here, like,

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<v Speaker 2>there are explanations for it. Some people who look at

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<v Speaker 2>the painting think she's not smiling at all, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>because the human eye uses two types of vision. There's

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<v Speaker 2>fobial and there's peripheral. Now, fobial or direct vision is

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<v Speaker 2>excellent at picking up detail, but is less suited to

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<v Speaker 2>picking up things like shadows, and so, according to Margaret Livingstone,

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<v Speaker 2>a professor at Harvard Quote, the elusive quality of the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa smile can be explained by the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>her smile is almost entirely in low spatial frequencies and

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<v Speaker 2>so is seen best by your peripheral vision. It's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like an optical illusion, like the more a person stares

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<v Speaker 2>straight ahead, the less their peripheral vision actually works.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's really cool. So I'm at the I'm staring

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<v Speaker 1>at the Mona Lisa because I want to take it

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<v Speaker 1>all in and get my money's worth. But the harder

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<v Speaker 1>I stare, the harder it is for my vision to

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<v Speaker 1>register that smile. That's exactly right.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's only when you start looking at other parts

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<v Speaker 2>of the painting, like the background or hands or the chair,

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<v Speaker 2>that's when your eyes really pick up on the smile,

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<v Speaker 2>which could sort of strike you as alive, right because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not there, and it suddenly appears like Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>is finally deigned to smile at you, the sweaty jet

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<v Speaker 2>lag tourists who's come all the way to friends to

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<v Speaker 2>see her.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's the theory, Mango. You know what's funny

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<v Speaker 1>is that I'm really glad you mentioned the chair. Wait, chair,

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<v Speaker 1>What did I say about the chair? I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>I said anything about the chair, did I Just that

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<v Speaker 1>it exists? It trikes out chair. The chair is one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most interesting parts of the Mona Lisa, and

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<v Speaker 1>one that art historians actually focus on specifically, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>Pozetto chair, which means little well, which some historians believe

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<v Speaker 1>is a reference to the amphibious nature of Mona Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>She's surrounded by water, She's wearing this green dress, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you know she's sitting on a little well, you

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<v Speaker 1>can imagine the rivers behind her are flowing into her.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. It's obviously a rich and surprising and ingeniously

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<v Speaker 1>conceived work of art. But here's what I've always been

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<v Speaker 1>stuck on with the Mona Lisa. Like the Renaissance had

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you know this, but a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of really super good paintings Mago, which also sounds like

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<v Speaker 1>a quote from Art Forum.

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<v Speaker 2>Straight from it. But seriously, I've always wondered what made

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<v Speaker 2>the Mona Lisa stick out amongst all this amazing art,

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<v Speaker 2>And through our research, I finally found the answer, Mango.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the vibes. Vibes, yeah, yeah, well, the vibes and

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<v Speaker 2>incredible marketing, like the Mona Lisa is like the Jeremy

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<v Speaker 2>Allen White of Renaissance paintings.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know what that means.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, well, hear me out on this. So even

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<v Speaker 2>before it was in the loop, the Mona Lisa started

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<v Speaker 2>out hot like it had this great pedigree. It was

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<v Speaker 2>in the royal collection of the literal King of France,

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<v Speaker 2>Francis I, and who's court Leonardo spent the last years

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<v Speaker 2>of his life. The painting was there for centuries until

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<v Speaker 2>the French Revolution claimed the royal collection as the property

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<v Speaker 2>of the people. Then Napoleon took it and placed it

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<v Speaker 2>in his bedroom because he loved it that much, and

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<v Speaker 2>then finally it landed in the Louver. Sure, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of history there of being owned by

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<v Speaker 2>important people. But it was also the heat around Leonardo

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<v Speaker 2>da Vinci that helped grow interest in the Mona Lisa,

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<v Speaker 2>because something happened in the nineteenth century where Leonardo became

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<v Speaker 2>more popular, you know, see, not only as a very

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<v Speaker 2>good painter, but also as a great scientist and inventor

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<v Speaker 2>of course, and many of his so called inventions were

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<v Speaker 2>later debunked, and his contributions to science and architecture came

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<v Speaker 2>to be seen as you know, less than they might

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<v Speaker 2>have been at first. But this idea of Leonardo as

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<v Speaker 2>a genius has continued well into the twenty first century,

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<v Speaker 2>and that of course has contributed to the Mona Lisa's popularity.

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<v Speaker 2>But then there was Marcel Duchamp's contribution to the painting.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're talking about Deuchamp. The data is too, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>made all that fun crazy art, like signed that urinal

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<v Speaker 1>and entered it into an art exhibition.

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<v Speaker 2>Back guy, Yeah, very same guy. So Duchamp took a

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<v Speaker 2>postcard reproduction of the Mona Lisa. This was back in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen. He drew a beard and mustache on it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like this playful depiction. It was meant to

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<v Speaker 2>be in irreverent commentary about the worship of art. But

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<v Speaker 2>he also wrote lhoo q across the bottom of the postcard.

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<v Speaker 1>Which sounds like, look right, is that us? What was

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<v Speaker 1>I mean? Exactly? Well, it's a vulgar phrase for I

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<v Speaker 1>guess you could say she's hot, But the polite translation

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<v Speaker 1>is there is fire down below, got it? You've never

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<v Speaker 1>written that on anything anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>The depiction of the Mona Lisa became a huge thing

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<v Speaker 2>to deface of this revered work of art as commentary,

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<v Speaker 2>and before a long other artists followed suit and distorted disfigure.

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<v Speaker 2>They played with rep reductions of the Mona Lisa, including

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Warhol. Actually, over decades, as technology improved, the painting

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<v Speaker 2>was endlessly reproduced, sometimes manipulated, sometimes not, and so her

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<v Speaker 2>face became one of the most well known in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>even to people who don't really care about art.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so, I may have never been to the Loof

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<v Speaker 1>or never even heard of Leo da Vinci, But by

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<v Speaker 1>the twentieth century, even if I hate art, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid the Mona Lisa's presence. That's exactly right. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen sixties and seventies, the Mona Lisa was

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<v Speaker 1>so famous she went on tour. She traveled to the

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<v Speaker 1>US and a first class cabin on an ocean liner

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<v Speaker 1>threw about forty thousand people a day to the Metropolitan

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<v Speaker 1>Museum in New York City and then in the National

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<v Speaker 1>Gallery of Art in Washington, DC. And then after that

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<v Speaker 1>she went on to Japan. And of course the popularity

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<v Speaker 1>was only increased by that heist too, Right, wait, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a heist. It is really really fun, But why

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<v Speaker 1>don't we take a quick break before we get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Part Time Genius, where we're discussing the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa and Mango.

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<v Speaker 1>You were just telling us about an art theft involving

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<v Speaker 1>da Vinci's most famous painting. Is that right? That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>So in nineteen eleven, the Mona Lisa had made it

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<v Speaker 1>to the Louver, a huge museum in Paris, literally huge like.

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<v Speaker 1>At the time, the Louver was the largest building in

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<v Speaker 1>the world, with more than a thousand rooms spread out

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<v Speaker 1>over forty five acres.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe, Oh my gosh, that's ridiculous. So what

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<v Speaker 2>is the heating bill on a place like that? Can

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<v Speaker 2>you imagine?

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing? Because it's France, so it's just cold, right, A

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<v Speaker 1>good point, that's fair. Anyways, it was a quiet Monday

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<v Speaker 1>morning in Paris on the twenty first of August nineteen eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>and three men were hurrying out of the Louver, which

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<v Speaker 1>is odd so that the museum was closed to visitors

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<v Speaker 1>on Mondays. The men were Vincenzo Perusia and the brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>Vincenzo and Michelle Lancelotti. They're these young Italian handymen. They

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<v Speaker 1>had come to the Louver on Sunday afternoon, hidden overnight

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<v Speaker 1>in a storeroom near the Salon care A gallery of

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<v Speaker 1>Renaissance paintings, and then in the morning, wearing white workmen's smocks,

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<v Speaker 1>they went into the salon and seized a small painting

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<v Speaker 1>off the wall. They ripped off the glass, shadow box

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<v Speaker 1>and frame, and then they went to a stairwell and

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<v Speaker 1>Perusia hid the painting under his clothes, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>slipped out of the gallery down a back stairwell, threw

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<v Speaker 1>a side entrance and onto the streets of Paris. And

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<v Speaker 1>so they stole the Mona Lisa. Yeah, they stole the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa. It took twenty six hours before the louver

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<v Speaker 1>staff even noticed that it was missing. You have to

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<v Speaker 1>remember how big the louver is, right, and in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>eleven there were fewer than one hundred and fifty guards

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<v Speaker 1>looking out for all of that art.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm curious, so, like, how did they plan it and

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<v Speaker 2>why did they steal it? Like, give me the Ocean's

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<v Speaker 2>ta plot here.

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<v Speaker 1>Mango before in nineteen ten, a letter was mailed to

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<v Speaker 1>the Louver from Vienna which threatened the Mona Lisa. So

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<v Speaker 1>museum officials hired a firm named Kobie to put a

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<v Speaker 1>dozen of its most prized paintings under glass, and the

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<v Speaker 1>work took three months, and one of the men assigned

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<v Speaker 1>to the project was Vincenzo Perusia who was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the thieves, and Prusia was this Italian worker on a

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<v Speaker 1>French construction crew, so they teased him a lot. Prusia

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<v Speaker 1>later testified in court that they quote almost always called

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<v Speaker 1>me Manja Macaroni or Macaroni eater, and very often they

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<v Speaker 1>stole my personal property and salted my wine. So he

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<v Speaker 1>was getting at this French crew. Yeah, and you took

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<v Speaker 1>it personally. And some accounts say Prusa was motivated by

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<v Speaker 1>national pride and he wanted to repatriate Mona Lisa to Italy. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>there there was this media explosion when the Louver announced

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<v Speaker 1>the theft. Newspaper headlines were all over the place, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>wanted posters for the painting were hung on Parisian walls,

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<v Speaker 1>and crowds masked at police headquarters. And when the Louver

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<v Speaker 1>actually reopened after a week, thousands of spectators, including Franz Kafka,

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<v Speaker 1>flooded into the salon to stare at the empty wall

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<v Speaker 1>where the Mona Lisa had once been. An empty people

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<v Speaker 1>are so weird, like why would people line up to

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<v Speaker 1>stare at a blank wall? I mean the grief was remarkable, right,

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<v Speaker 1>like the national outpouring. According to historians, mimicked the shock

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<v Speaker 1>of Princess Diana's death and where was the actual painting

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<v Speaker 1>being kept during all of this? So Prussia had squirreled

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<v Speaker 1>the Mona Lisa away in this false bottom of the

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<v Speaker 1>wooden trunk in his room at a boardinghouse. And when

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<v Speaker 1>the Parisian police interrogated him as part of all their interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>because they basically interviewed everyone who was working at the

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<v Speaker 1>louver at the time, he said he only learned about

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<v Speaker 1>the theft from the newspapers and that the reason he

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<v Speaker 1>was late to work that Monday in August was that

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<v Speaker 1>he had drunk too much the night before and overslept.

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<v Speaker 1>But Prusia ultimately wanted money for this world famous painting,

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<v Speaker 1>so he twenty eight months and then in December nineteen thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>he left that boarding house with the trunk and he

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<v Speaker 1>took a train to Florence, where he tried to offload

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<v Speaker 1>the painting to an art dealer, who promptly called the police.

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<v Speaker 1>He then had a brief trial in Florence, pleaded guilty,

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<v Speaker 1>and ended up serving just eight months in prison. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's a fairly happy ending of the story, then, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and the painting actually went on tour in Italy briefly

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<v Speaker 1>before it got sent back to France. But the theft

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<v Speaker 1>made the Mona Lisa a global icon. In the first

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<v Speaker 1>two days after it was rehung in the Louvers Salon,

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<v Speaker 1>more than one hundred thousand people viewed it, and today

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<v Speaker 1>eight million people see the Mona Lisa every single year.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it does feel like Prusia should have gotten like

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<v Speaker 2>this pr fee or something like that for boosting the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa's profile.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but weirdly, you know, there are actually some conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>So some said that theft was the French government's way

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to distract the public opinion from uprisings in

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<v Speaker 1>colonial West Africa. A few months before the was found,

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<v Speaker 1>the New York Times speculated that the Louver Restores had

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<v Speaker 1>botched a restoration job and that the museum was just

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<v Speaker 1>like concocting this story to cover that up. There was

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<v Speaker 1>also a rumor that a gang of international art thieves

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<v Speaker 1>had poached the painting and substituted a fake that was

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<v Speaker 1>in Perusia's possession when he was caught, which is all

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<v Speaker 1>kind of incredible. Whoa really. Yeah, And apparently this Argentinian

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<v Speaker 1>also confessed to masterminding the crime. He did this to

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<v Speaker 1>American reporter named Carl Decker. He basically said he paid

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<v Speaker 1>Perusia and the other two men to steal the painting

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<v Speaker 1>because the glass box that protected it weighed two hundred pounds,

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<v Speaker 1>so you needed a few men on the job. And

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<v Speaker 1>then he said he had six forgeries made and sold

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<v Speaker 1>to private collectors. So for a while there was some

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<v Speaker 1>question of whether the Mona Lisa and the Louver was

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<v Speaker 1>the real deal. And then the other conspiracy theory around

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<v Speaker 1>the theft was this whole you know Picasso thing. Wait

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<v Speaker 1>what Picasso thing? Yeah, it's kind of incredible. So during

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<v Speaker 1>that eighteen month period where the French police were not

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<v Speaker 1>arrested the dudes who actually stole the Mona Lisa, they

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<v Speaker 1>arrested Pablo Picasso and the poet and critic Guillaume Apollinaire.

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<v Speaker 1>It started when this guy, Joseph Gary Pierre went to

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<v Speaker 1>the Paris Journal and told them that for the past

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<v Speaker 1>several years he'd been stealing and then selling minor artwork

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<v Speaker 1>from the Louver, and to prove it, Pire produced a

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<v Speaker 1>small statue that the Louver curators confirmed with museums, and

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<v Speaker 1>the police eventually connected Piree to Apollinaire, who was a

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<v Speaker 1>member of Picasso's modernist entourage. They were called labond de Picasso,

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<v Speaker 1>and there were this like group of artistic firebrands known

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<v Speaker 1>around town as the wild Men of Paris. And it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really that big a stretch for the police to

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<v Speaker 1>assume this ring of art thieves were sophisticated enough to

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<v Speaker 1>swipe the Mona Lisa. Of course, neither Apollinaire nor Picasso

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<v Speaker 1>had played any part in that painting's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So Picasso and his buddies didn't steal the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa. They were they were innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Well, the funny thing is they weren't exactly innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>Pierre was telling the truth that Picasso had bought stolen

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<v Speaker 1>statues from him and kept them buried in this cupboard

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<v Speaker 1>in his Paris apartment. And you know, later the artist

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<v Speaker 1>pretended ignorance, like he didn't know they were stolen. But

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<v Speaker 1>at the bottom of every statue it was stamped in

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<v Speaker 1>bold property of de Louver. That's not a good look. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And it got weirder because when pire got put on trial,

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of ended up being like this massive farce.

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<v Speaker 1>Picasso and his friends confessed to putting their stolen statues

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<v Speaker 1>in this old suitcase and almost throwing the bag into

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<v Speaker 1>the sind before realizing they couldn't destroy this incredible art.

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<v Speaker 1>So upon Air confesses to everything on the stand, but

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<v Speaker 1>he also throws in a lot of lies, and Picasso,

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<v Speaker 1>who normally liked to project, you know, a supermasho image,

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<v Speaker 1>he breaks down and weeps and also says a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of nonsense, and it all confuses the judge and he

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<v Speaker 1>gets baffled by the whole thing and then ultimately just

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<v Speaker 1>dismisses the men with a warning. But because's involvement obviously

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<v Speaker 1>only brought the Mona Lisa more press, that is so funny,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, Well, let's take a moment to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>who the Mona Lisa actually is. Like, who is this

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<v Speaker 1>woman whose portrait has been reproduced a ridiculous amount of

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<v Speaker 1>times for five hundred plus years. Yeah, it's funny because

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like there used to be a real mystery

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<v Speaker 1>about who the Mona Lisa was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, But back in two thousand and eight, a

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<v Speaker 2>German university found conclusive evidence that it's Lisa Gerdini del

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<v Speaker 2>Jacondo dated notes from October fifteen oh three, scribbled in

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<v Speaker 2>the margins of a book at Heidelberg University's library. They

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<v Speaker 2>confirmed that Lisa del Jacondo was indeed the model and

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<v Speaker 2>her husband was most likely the man who commissioned the portrait.

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<v Speaker 2>The comments comparati Leonardo to the ancient Greek artist at

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<v Speaker 2>Pelis and said he was working on three paintings at

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<v Speaker 2>the time, one of them a portrait of Lisa del Jacondo,

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<v Speaker 2>which sounds pretty conclusive. Yeah, I will say at c

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<v Speaker 2>Like for almost any given fact or assertion about the

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<v Speaker 2>Mona Lisa, there is someone, often with the fancy Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>degree who disputes it, of course, like anything. But probably

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<v Speaker 2>the only thing everyone can agree on is that it's rectangular.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's go with the Lisa del Jacondo theory for

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<v Speaker 2>just a minute. Like, there's been this long standing theory

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<v Speaker 2>that Lisa was or had recently been pregnant when she's

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<v Speaker 2>set for this portrait, and in two thousand and four,

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<v Speaker 2>a series of three D scans essentially confirmed this. The

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<v Speaker 2>scans showed this fine gauzy veil around Mona Lisa's shoulders,

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<v Speaker 2>this garment that women of the Italian and Renaissance were

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<v Speaker 2>when they were expecting it's called a guamelo.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, couldn't we just see the veil by looking at

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<v Speaker 1>the painting? Like, why do we need three D scans

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<v Speaker 1>of all of us? Actually the scans have been able

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<v Speaker 1>to tell us a whole lot. Like for a while,

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<v Speaker 1>there was this big question over whether the Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have eyelashes or eyebrows, and there was a debate

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<v Speaker 1>over whether it was just the fashion at the time

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<v Speaker 1>or whether maybe leonah Ardo never actually finished the painting.

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<v Speaker 1>But an engineer named Pascal Cote used the scans to

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<v Speaker 1>reveal traces of the Mona Lisa's left brow and basically

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<v Speaker 1>that the lashes have been obliterated both by time and

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<v Speaker 1>this long ago restoration. Also, the scans showed that da

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<v Speaker 1>Vinci changed his mind about two fingers on Lisa's left

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<v Speaker 1>hand and how they were going to be placed in

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<v Speaker 1>the painting, and that her face was originally a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit wider and the smile more prominent. So it's really

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<v Speaker 1>actually a lot that they can tell from these scans.

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<v Speaker 1>That's incredible. I had no idea you could like sort

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<v Speaker 1>of see beneath the painting. Call those layers. That's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really really cool. But you know your question

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<v Speaker 2>about the veil. As the Mona Lisa aged, her veil

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<v Speaker 2>darkened and it made it harder to see. But with

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<v Speaker 2>the confirmation of the veil, historians were able to confirm

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<v Speaker 2>that Francesco del ja Condo asked for the painting of

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<v Speaker 2>his wife to celebrate the birth of his second.

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<v Speaker 1>Son, which confirms that Mona Lisa is his wife, Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>del Giaconda.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right, actually his third wife to be exact. So

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<v Speaker 2>in fourteen ninety five, at the age of fifteen, Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>Garadini married prosperous silk and cloth merchant Francisco di Bartolomeo

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<v Speaker 2>Diza Nobi del Jacondo. It's a mouthful there, but that's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty awesome name. Lisa and Francesco ended up having

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<v Speaker 2>five children, Piero, Camilla, Andrea Jacondo and Marietta. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>the Lisa in the Mona Lisa allegedly. Don't tell me

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting into conspiracy talk, care mango, Well, I want.

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<v Speaker 1>To end this episode on a crazy note. So did

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<v Speaker 1>you know that some people believe there are two Mona Lisas. Oh, Basically,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this painting that looks a lot like the Mona Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a painting of a younger woman, kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>a fresher, younger Mona Lisa, with dark hair and an

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<v Speaker 1>enigmatic smile that sits at a slight angle in front

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<v Speaker 1>of a panoramic landscape, which obviously sounds familiar. It's called

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<v Speaker 1>the Aleworth Mona Lisa, and long story short, it got

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<v Speaker 1>passed around different art collectors over the centuries, including American

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<v Speaker 1>collector Henry F. Pulitzer. Pulitzer published a book arguing that

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<v Speaker 1>the Aleworth picture was in fact Leonardo's only real portrait

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<v Speaker 1>of Mona Lisa. The way did Leonardo actually paint this one?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people think so, namely the Mona Lisa Foundation,

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<v Speaker 1>who have a vested interest in, you know, furthering this theory,

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<v Speaker 1>but most art scholars don't believe. So it's painted on canvas,

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<v Speaker 1>and Leonardo usually painted on wood, and they basically say

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<v Speaker 1>that it's just not good enough to be by Leonardo

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<v Speaker 1>da Vinci. It's just like a bad copy of the

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<v Speaker 1>Mona Lisa. But speaking of bad copy, what do you

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<v Speaker 1>say we get into the fact of wow? I like

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<v Speaker 1>what you did there, manga, Let's do it all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, one of the strangest things about the Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's been attacked. A bunch in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>six threw a rock at it, which chipped the subject's

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<v Speaker 2>left elbow. Over the years, people have thrown acid on it,

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<v Speaker 2>They've tried to face it with spray paint, They've thrown

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<v Speaker 2>a mug at it, and weirdest of all, it had

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<v Speaker 2>a cake thrown in its face as recently as twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>That is so weird and disheartening, you know. According to

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<v Speaker 1>a book by Diane Hales, over the years, the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa has launched a number of fashion trends, and this

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<v Speaker 1>is what she writes. Quote Society women adopted the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa's look by dusting yellow powder on their faces and

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<v Speaker 1>necks to suggest her golden complexion, and immobilizing their facial

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<v Speaker 1>muscles to mimic her smile, which sounds like an early

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<v Speaker 1>imitation of botox. Also quote. In Parisian cabarets, dancers dressed

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<v Speaker 1>as Laja Conde, the French name for Mona Lisa, and

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<v Speaker 1>performed a saucy can can all right, that's pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, did you know, in trying to figure

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<v Speaker 2>out who the Mona Lisa was, scientists have actually dug

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<v Speaker 2>up bones beneath a convent in Florence. Apparently one of

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<v Speaker 2>Lisa's daughters became a nun and in her old age

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<v Speaker 2>she moved into the convent with her daughter. So scientists

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<v Speaker 2>went digging beneath this chapel. They found bones that do

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<v Speaker 2>match up timeline wise with Lisa's death, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>hoping to use digital imaging on the skeleton to compare

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<v Speaker 2>it to the painting. But apparently there was no skull

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<v Speaker 2>found with the bones, and that means her face couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>actually be digitally reconstructed.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's a fun one. To keep his subject smiling

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<v Speaker 1>or half smiling, Da Vinci had a whole bag of tricks.

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<v Speaker 1>He apparently employed six musicians to perform for her, had

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<v Speaker 1>people reading stories out loud to her, and also had

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<v Speaker 1>a fluffy white cat and a greyhound dog for her

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<v Speaker 1>to play with on set. All right, will people often

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<v Speaker 1>speculate how much the Mona Lisa is worse. Back in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty two, when the painting went on tour, the

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<v Speaker 1>price was placed at about one hundred million dollars, which

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<v Speaker 1>is around eight hundred and thirty four million dollars in

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<v Speaker 1>today's currency, but others estimated it's actually worth more. One

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<v Speaker 1>Entre Dour placed it in the billions of dollars because

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<v Speaker 1>of its value to France and the amount of tourism

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<v Speaker 1>the painting generates. Of course, all of that is actually

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<v Speaker 1>mood because it's illegal to buy or sell the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa in France. I love that they made it illegal

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<v Speaker 1>to buy its. Yeah, don't try it. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things I wanted to understand was why the Mona

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<v Speaker 1>Lisa ended up in France. And apparently Leonardo had started

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<v Speaker 1>painting Lisa in Italy, but when his patron, the Medici,

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<v Speaker 1>the brother of Pope Leo the ten, died, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>getting commissions in Italy. So you know, the French were

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<v Speaker 1>very welcoming. They praised his genius, so he moves there.

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<v Speaker 1>But some of the first damage to the Mona Lisa

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<v Speaker 1>actually happened early on. It happened when King Francis the

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<v Speaker 1>First owned the painting. He hung it in his bathing

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<v Speaker 1>suite where the steam actually dulled the color, and when

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<v Speaker 1>a restorer tried to preserve the color by putting the

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<v Speaker 1>lacquer on it, he permanently dulled it. All right, Well

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<v Speaker 1>here's one to close it out, mango. Did you know

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<v Speaker 1>that there is a scientist who claims to have figured

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<v Speaker 1>out what the Mona Lisa actually sounded like. This was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a promotion for the Japanese version of The

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<v Speaker 1>da Vinci Code. Montsumi Suzuki used the measurement from the

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<v Speaker 1>painting's face and hands to figure out how big her

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<v Speaker 1>skull would have been, also to determine her height about

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<v Speaker 1>five foot six inches. Then they used data simulation to

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<v Speaker 1>recreate the vocal cords to figure out her pitch and

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<v Speaker 1>apparently the voice is somewhat deep. Now, we also figured

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<v Speaker 1>out what Leonardo da Vinci's voice sounded like, and apparently

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<v Speaker 1>it was super nasal. I love that. Yeah, I do

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<v Speaker 1>wonder if knowing that da Vinci was nasal helps, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>help sell tickets for the movie. But whatever the case,

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<v Speaker 1>the fact is so good it makes me want to

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<v Speaker 1>give you this week's trophy. And also I'm thinking we

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<v Speaker 1>should stop the fact off just to get Dylan some

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<v Speaker 1>rogaine for his eyebrows, because totally went above and beyond.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he just tries so hard that Dylan. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's it for this week's Part Time Genius.

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