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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 2: my name is Noel.

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Speaker 3: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 3: our super producer Paul Mission Control Decant. Most importantly, you

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Speaker 3: are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want

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Speaker 3: you to know. Ooh the or well you feel it

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Speaker 3: when you hear it. Who controls the past controls the future? Guys?

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Speaker 3: Not too long ago. It seems like just yesterday there

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Speaker 3: was an election. Remember time is weird, guys.

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Speaker 4: I think the pandemic really screwed time perception up for

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Speaker 4: all of us. Also, getting older sort of skews time

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Speaker 4: a little bit. I feel like it contracts and expands

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Speaker 4: a little differently than when you're young, and you know,

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Speaker 4: a year seems like an eternity, and now it's just

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Speaker 4: like a blip.

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Speaker 3: It's odd. Yeah. People who are not in the United

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Speaker 3: States are always laughing when we talk to them, and

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Speaker 3: they always say, oh, it's another election. Oh that's happening again.

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Speaker 3: The rhetoric is heating up. There is an ideological battle,

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Speaker 3: and the battle lines are drawn, the debates are underway.

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Speaker 3: Like as you hear this tonight, folks, there have already

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Speaker 3: been at least a couple of debates between the two

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Speaker 3: main US presidential candidates, Republican Donald Trump Democrat Joe Biden. Again,

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Speaker 3: as John Stewart pointed out, they will be the two

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Speaker 3: oldest guys running.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ever, it's a race to see who's best great

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Speaker 2: great granddad.

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Speaker 4: No, I think Joe likes to go by Uncle Joe.

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Speaker 4: Isn't that sort of I guess there's Uncle Bernie. But

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Speaker 4: just the term uncle gets thrown around a lot, you know,

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Speaker 4: because they don't want.

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Speaker 3: To go with grandpa.

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Speaker 4: Grandpa Joe evokes images of that that sponge Grandpa Joe

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Speaker 4: from the Willy Wonka movie.

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Speaker 3: You know, nobody likes.

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Speaker 2: Sim gotta say great Grandpa Joe.

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Speaker 3: And the thing about these guys is, look, we know

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Speaker 3: that political conversations can be sensitive, so we're exploring things

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Speaker 3: with objectivity. The objective truth is that both Trump and

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Speaker 3: Biden have been president before. One of these guys was

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Speaker 3: vice president before he became president. Kaugh cough Bush whatever.

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Speaker 3: And the groups they represent both of these, the purported

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Speaker 3: Democrats the purported Republicans. They have a huge agenda before them,

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Speaker 3: policies and laws that, if enacted, will determine the course

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Speaker 3: of our great American experiment. None of this is unfamiliar.

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Speaker 3: There's one thing, however, that may change the game. The

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Speaker 3: supporters see it as a silver bullet to solve America's many,

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Speaker 3: many problems. The opponents see it as a conspiratorial, existential

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Speaker 3: threat to the idea of democracy. The name for this

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Speaker 3: thing is Project twenty twenty five. Here are the facts well.

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Speaker 4: Project twenty twenty five, or the Presidential Transition Project, as

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Speaker 4: it's more officially known, was spearheaded by something called the

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Speaker 4: Heritage Foundation. This whole thing is essentially a collection of

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Speaker 4: policy proposals that are meant to restructure the entire federal

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. This whole thing began in twenty twenty

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Speaker 4: two with the goal of bringing on tens of thousands

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, and that's at every level, so starting younger folks,

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Speaker 2: of the way Ben and I started as interns at

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Speaker 2: How Stuff Works.

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Speaker 3: Hey, come on.

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Speaker 4: It's also one of those things where a lot of

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Speaker 2: Which you know, if we just take this alone, right,

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Speaker 2: this isn't a crazy idea. It's people who want what

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Speaker 3: That's the same the toorch sort of white kid doesn't

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Speaker 2: But I guess what I mean is this alone, this

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the thing is the idea. There is a sort

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Speaker 3: He did not win the election for potus. He ended

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point, though, Ben if the

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Speaker 4: Well, we see all the time, though, how you know,

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Speaker 3: We're talking about Secretary of State Hillary Clint.

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Speaker 2: That or even members of the Heritage Foundation.

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Speaker 4: My point though, is that a lot of times they're

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Speaker 3: You know, I mean you would think there would come.

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Speaker 4: To be an expert, give us an expert.

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Speaker 3: Well, the expertise, as we'll find, is proposed in terms

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Speaker 3: It's the idea that if you are president of the

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Speaker 3: to look at its parent organization, its creator. It's Potter

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Speaker 4: Oh, ky, does the word heritage feel a little dog

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Speaker 4: you know, back when things were so good. But the things,

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Speaker 4: The things that they weren't actually that good. They were

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, in very very specific ways. This organization

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Speaker 2: important to get out there. There are many think tanks,

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Speaker 2: as we've discussed on this show. This one specifically was

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Speaker 2: set up in nineteen seventy three to influence Congress, to

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Speaker 3: Like democratic preimposed Civil war, like the nomenclature will change.

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Speaker 3: The idea also that I think we're getting at here, Matt,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, It's just different. It's just different. And again, every

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Speaker 2: founded the Heritage Foundation. What would you say, came from money?

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Speaker 3: I would argue that they are leveraging and weaponizing certain

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Speaker 3: And I know we're interesting. I know we're not yet

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Speaker 3: the Heritage Foundation or street name Heritage, founded in nineteen

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Speaker 3: seventy three by a get this, a nice triumvirate, Paul

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Speaker 4: So good you can drink it with your mouth, I

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Speaker 4: believe is the tagline. Uh well, for disclosure, we've done

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Speaker 3: Just put it out there right now. So let's walk

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Speaker 3: He is the guy who coined the term moral majority.

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Speaker 3: Nice one, Paul, I love that one would approve or disapprove. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Have you heard about religion, well, the new thing, but it.

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Speaker 3: What about that separation of church and state. That's fine,

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Speaker 4: Can I just point out nominative determinism is hilarious and delightful.

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Speaker 4: The guy's name is way Rich just putting that out there,

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Speaker 3: little Finger, he's a whisperer. He's a quote unquote foreign consultant,

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Speaker 3: whatever the hell that means. Uh. He served as a

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Speaker 3: So I guess they don't have elections either. And then

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Speaker 4: everything about it. But now in retrospect it just seems

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Speaker 4: laughably benign.

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Speaker 3: I would hang out.

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Speaker 2: I want to pat him on his head.

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Speaker 4: You know, when he's talking to the kids and the

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Speaker 4: guy whispers to him about nine to eleven, I'm like,

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Speaker 4: bless his heart.

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Speaker 3: I feel like we would have a lot of fun

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Speaker 3: at David Busters dude.

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Speaker 2: For sure, drinking of cors Man.

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Speaker 3: I think he gave that up. But we do have

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Speaker 3: to get to your original point, Matt, which is, uh,

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Speaker 3: former President Barack Obama also followed the lead of the

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Speaker 3: Heritage Foundation on particular policies, most notably healthcare. And then

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Speaker 3: it was weapon the fact that that administration adopted a

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Speaker 3: pretty uh objectively free market conservative approach to healthcare. You know,

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Speaker 3: and the number one crime in the United States is

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Speaker 3: to be poor. Uh. The the ACA right as it's called,

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Speaker 3: was weaponized into being called the Obamacare Act.

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Speaker 2: Right Affordable Care or Obama.

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Speaker 4: Wait, was that debated that on purpose? Or was it

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Speaker 4: the other side?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 4: No, what I'm saying it feels like it was.

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Speaker 2: It was an attack.

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Speaker 3: It was an attack, thought, that's what I thought.

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Speaker 4: It's sort of like calling it the you know, the

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Speaker 4: Chinese flu or what it was not a complement.

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Speaker 3: No, I didn't think.

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Speaker 4: So It's again, a lot of time goes by and

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Speaker 4: it all compresses weirdly, and you start to kind of

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Speaker 4: forget where some of these things come from, which is

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Speaker 4: Orwell's whole point about language and the nature of rhetoric.

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Speaker 4: It's really easy, as smart as you might be and

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Speaker 4: as well read as one might be, to just accept

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Speaker 4: these things and kind of forget where they came from.

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Speaker 3: And now it's twenty twenty four. Yep.

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Speaker 2: Just call it the Heritage Consumer Choice Health Plan.

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Speaker 3: Or one of the original names.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or the Bill Clinton Health Initiative alternative.

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Speaker 3: For the people. Guys, don't make me be that person

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Speaker 3: who sees the Christian Bible and says, I like the

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Speaker 3: earlier work. Whatever. Heritage Foundation is a powerful organization and

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Speaker 3: as always as anything tank worth its salt should, it

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Speaker 3: has a plan, and now more than ever, thanks Fox News,

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Speaker 3: the opponents of Heritage are worried about this think tanks

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Speaker 3: plans for the future of the American experiment. So what

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Speaker 3: exactly is Project twenty twenty five? What does it propose

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Speaker 3: are the opponent's right to be concerned? We'll tell you

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Speaker 3: after a quick word from course, here's where it gets crazy,

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Speaker 3: the Project twenty twenty five stuff. It depends on whom

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Speaker 3: you ask. There are people who will dismiss it as

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Speaker 3: a pipe dream, you know. There are people who will

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Speaker 3: say it is an existential threat to the concept of democracy.

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Speaker 3: But if you look at the papers, if you look

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Speaker 3: at the policy, which is freely available online, you will

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Speaker 3: see that Project twenty twenty five, by its own words,

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Speaker 3: assumes some very high stakes for the authors of it.

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Speaker 3: They are the last line between tyranny and you know,

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Speaker 3: whatever their halcyon vision of America would be, which does

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Speaker 3: not include you.

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Speaker 4: If you're listening, Oh man, well, guys, like, what is

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Speaker 4: a conspiracy if not just a plan that doesn't include you?

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 4: It's sort of hatched in secrecy. But a lot of

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Speaker 4: these ones that are hashed in secrecy you can read

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Speaker 4: about them. There's information out there about them. You just

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Speaker 4: don't have the equipment or the know how or you know,

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Speaker 4: the information to decode what they're actually going for in

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Speaker 4: certain senses. And I feel like that's what this is.

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Speaker 3: Like.

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Speaker 4: This stuff is technically out in the open, but it

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Speaker 4: feels like a conspiracy to me.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it really is fully out in the open.

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Speaker 2: You can go on their website and read all about it.

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Speaker 2: You can go on BBC News or PBS or any

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Speaker 2: of these other places, Fox News, CNN, and they'll tell

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Speaker 2: you all about the specific policies that we're going to

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Speaker 2: get into and they I just I cannot re emphasize

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Speaker 2: enough Ben that when you read through it, those stakes

519
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Speaker 2: could not be higher. I'm just I agree with you wholeheartedly.

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Speaker 2: It seems in it's some of it seems intense. The

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Speaker 2: hope as we go through all of this stuff and

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Speaker 2: we learn about it is that whoever is president next

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Speaker 2: will only adopt one or two.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there's a rule of attrition. They've baked in

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Speaker 3: the idea that not all of this will work as

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Speaker 3: opposed to that what third you said that the Reagan

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Speaker 3: administration adopted two? Yeah, two seconds. Okay, So the idea is,

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Speaker 3: the idea is you hope for one or two and

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Speaker 3: everything else is bonus credit because if you structure it correctly,

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Speaker 3: then getting the right one or the right to will

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Speaker 3: make to do the rest of the job.

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Speaker 2: And that's just to twelve years down the road.

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Speaker 3: Right, because we got skulledas now it's chess, right, I

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Speaker 3: mean it really is.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, we're we're scared of these people in

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Speaker 4: many ways, but also I got to applaud their tenacity

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Speaker 4: and their their their forward thinking.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's it's kind of something to behold Forward

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Speaker 3: Thinking is a podcast on the Iheartrangio. Oh yeah, that's true,

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Speaker 3: it's true.

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Speaker 4: But you know, you know what I'm saying though, It's

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Speaker 4: like they're thinking so many steps ahead and they know

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Speaker 4: they can only get X, Y or Z probably right away.

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Speaker 4: But they it's all tiered, it's all designed with the

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Speaker 4: future and mind, and that's not easy to do.

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Speaker 3: And in their defense, objectively, from their perspective, they do

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Speaker 3: see it as a greater good. Yeah, in their opinion.

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Speaker 3: So again we talked about this franchise of novels basically

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Speaker 3: of policy papers. The one that people are referencing when

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Speaker 3: they talk to you about Project twenty twenty five is

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Speaker 3: a thing called Mandate for Leadership holand a conservative promise. Spoiler.

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Speaker 3: It's about as long as the unabridged copy of The

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Speaker 3: Stand by Stephen king On and on. Yes, sir, it's

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Speaker 3: not as good as the Stand.

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Speaker 4: And I mean, we know parts of the unabridged Stand

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Speaker 4: probably should have been abridged. But yeah, no, that's wild.

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Speaker 4: And that's another thing. A lot of this is like

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Speaker 4: they what is it like when when they don't an

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Speaker 4: a legal team dumps all the documents on you at once,

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Speaker 4: so that you are literally stuck sifting through all of

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Speaker 4: it to find one or two things of value or

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Speaker 4: of meaning in your defense, That to me feels like

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Speaker 4: a lot of what these overly long documents are. They're

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Speaker 4: ensuring that the average individual is not going to take

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Speaker 4: the time to read it, and if they do, it's

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Speaker 4: going to be too complex and daunting for them to

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Speaker 4: actually pull anything out that's that's you know, worth analyzing

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Speaker 4: or discussing.

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Speaker 3: I feel you, man, I would say that they are

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Speaker 3: not attempting to to obscure things through legal ease or

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Speaker 3: through you know, arcane terminology. They are writing this for

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Speaker 3: anyone who wants to read it. They're very upfront. You've

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Speaker 3: got to give them credit where it's due. They're very

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Speaker 3: upfront about what they want to do. If it is

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Speaker 3: it's a conservative agenda for whomever happens to be the

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Speaker 3: next Republican president.

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Speaker 2: And anyone in Congress who feels similar.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, anyone who's got a good vibe over on DuPont Circle,

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Speaker 3: you know, join up.

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Speaker 2: But basically, here here is as we said, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: use it. The term overtime a policy bible for everybody.

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Speaker 2: If if there is someone who gets in office that

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Speaker 2: would want to enact these policies. Hey, guys, you're on

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Speaker 2: our team. Uh uh, this is the policy bible, so

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Speaker 2: work towards these goals.

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Speaker 3: And what a back I want to back up on this.

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Speaker 3: When the point about folks not reading things, it is

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Speaker 3: it is written in an approachable way, but the assumption

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Speaker 3: does seem to be that the majority of folks supporting

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Speaker 3: one or two of the policy points have not read

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Speaker 3: the whole thing. Yeah, I think that is correct.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to just at that point. Ben in

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Speaker 2: the year two thousand, the House Majority Leader Dick Army

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Speaker 2: at the time, quote real name. He is quoted in

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Speaker 2: the Heritage Foundation as saying, if candidates read nothing else,

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Speaker 2: they should read issues. No candidate should run without it.

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Speaker 2: And he's referring to this thing that they wrote called issues,

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Speaker 2: the Candidate's Briefing Book, which was a similar thing, not

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Speaker 2: the exact same thing, as one of these mandates for leadership,

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Speaker 2: which is a whole as you said, been a franchised

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Speaker 2: Marvel universe of its own. It's a very similar thing

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Speaker 2: that gave everybody a starting point and specific end goals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, executive summaries talking points isn't that weird. That

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Speaker 3: isn't that weird that that would be the decider? You know,

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Speaker 3: tell me about the Middle East, and three sentences says America.

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Speaker 2: How about two thousand pages?

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Speaker 3: Okay, okay, I'll read the first three sentences they say.

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Speaker 3: So audits website right now, you can go to Project

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five and you will see they would love

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Speaker 3: to give you a pdf. They would love to give

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Speaker 3: you a copy of Mandate for Leadership, a conservative promise.

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Speaker 3: They will also tell you that this handbook, as they

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Speaker 3: call it, is quote the next conservative president's last opportunity

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Speaker 3: to save our republic credit where due. This is is

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Speaker 3: the brainchild of many, many people. Some of the thought

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Speaker 3: leaders in this one are folks like Mark Meadows, who

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Speaker 3: used to be chief of staff at the White House.

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Speaker 3: Stephen Miller, who is famously a diplomatic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah not my friend Dick, Not my friend Stephen Miller

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Speaker 2: that I grew up with. This is a different guy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, different.

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Speaker 2: Well, Steve, you were big.

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Speaker 4: He was big in the early Trump administration because he

624
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Speaker 4: was on TV all the time, just like as this

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Speaker 4: kind of very acerbic, kind of young conservative, just talking

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Speaker 4: point master. And I remember he would get real salty

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Speaker 4: on some of these shows, and real righteously indignant and

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Speaker 4: like singing Trump's praises and calling him a genius and

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Speaker 4: all of this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just don't I just don't think you're a good

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Speaker 3: white nationalist if you take money from Saudi's.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, that's the thing though, right, Like a lot

633
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Speaker 4: of this the flag waving of white nationalism and all

634
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Speaker 4: of these ideological things, nine times out of ten are

635
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Speaker 4: just smoke, you know, to appeal to certain voter bases,

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Speaker 4: whomever there might be. I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 4: these politicians believe much of anything.

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Speaker 3: That's It's so let's go to the director of Project

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five, as we record on Friday, June twenty First,

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Speaker 3: he's a guy named Paul Dans And I know some

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Speaker 3: of us have a thing about people with two first names,

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Speaker 3: but that is his real name. It's not as cool

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Speaker 3: as Dick Army. But his name is Paul Dan's and

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Speaker 3: he used to work as the chief of staff for

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Speaker 3: the Office of Personnel Management in the administration of former

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Speaker 3: President Donald Trump. And the handbook itself Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five does not, to be clear, it does not directly

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Speaker 3: assume that Donald Trump will be a messionic figure, it says,

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Speaker 3: any any conservative president, right, and to also follow through

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Speaker 3: on that logic. If Joe Biden got re elected and

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Speaker 3: totally went on board with Heritage Foundation, they would say

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Speaker 3: he's a great guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they would. Well, let's say there's an all out

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Speaker 2: war that begins immediately or very soon after the president

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Speaker 2: is almost elected, or maybe right after they're elected. Adopting

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Speaker 2: some of this stuff would I don't know what would

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Speaker 2: make for a good movie version of reality.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the Golden goose. You're talking about the

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Speaker 3: real thing.

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Speaker 2: Somebody actually just grabs the reins in this way because quote,

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Speaker 2: we're under attack.

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Speaker 3: I mean like a coup, like a legitimate no.

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Speaker 2: I feel like it's Independence Day, it's ID four, and

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Speaker 2: you know whatever, we're under attack and somebody's got to

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Speaker 2: hold the reins and just make all the decisions. And

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 4: Why's it got to be us?

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Speaker 3: Though? Right?

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Speaker 4: I guess that's my question is like who, It's just

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Speaker 4: a matter of who seizes it, right, who takes it

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Speaker 4: and runs with it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not well, I guess what I'm saying in

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Speaker 2: ninety four, I'm imagining the speech that the president of

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Speaker 2: that movie gives built pullman, I.

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Speaker 3: Think, bizarre but independent state.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is somebody, the president in this

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Speaker 2: case of the United States, stands up and says, guys,

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Speaker 2: I've got this. I'm seizing executive control.

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Speaker 3: Hyeah, I got you, I got you. That's the golden Goose,

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Speaker 3: the unitary theory, and it's a dangerous thing. And make

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Speaker 3: no mistake. Project twenty twenty five is essentially to the

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Speaker 3: earlier reference about comic books and films. It is an

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Speaker 3: Infinity War level crossover Heritage Foundation and Project twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: five is like that moment in The Avengers where Captain

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Speaker 3: America is at the end of his row open is

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Speaker 3: you know, his shields all messed up and and all

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, these doctors, strange portals open out and

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Speaker 3: nowhere and all these other In this case, conservative think

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Speaker 3: tanks join the fray. It is a coalition. Project twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five is a coalition of hundreds of interrelated think tanks.

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Speaker 3: And I would argue they are all pursuing neo feudalism.

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Speaker 4: Are the tax exempt Well think about it, Well, I'm

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Speaker 4: just I mean, is it like being a nonprofit like,

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Speaker 4: do they I know they must have to be designated

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Speaker 4: as that. Do they have some benefits some tax loophole

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Speaker 4: benefits in order to do they? Are they registered in

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry if I didn't mean to derail.

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Speaker 3: No, No, it's case by casey because it depends upon

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Speaker 3: it depends upon the specific demographic of the think tank.

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Speaker 3: Is it private industry? To your point? Is it not

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Speaker 3: for profit? Is it nonprofit? Is it a loose coalition

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Speaker 3: of academics you know who are still pissed about the

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Speaker 3: free market?

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Speaker 4: Because because an NNGO could technically also be a think tank, right,

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Speaker 4: associated think tanks?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, guys. The Heritage Foundation is a five oh one

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Speaker 2: C three organization, just as Akato Institute is. Hey are

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Speaker 2: many of these nac Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Hey you can donate now, yeah yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 2: Do you have five million dollars?

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Speaker 3: You could take a dollar? Yeah, we'll take one dollar

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Speaker 3: and then we'll send you mail for the rest of

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Speaker 3: your life. And weird texts. Uh. The The Heritage Foundation

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Speaker 3: Excuse Me Project twenty twenty five also notes some wild stuff.

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Speaker 2: But I want to get back to the thing you

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Speaker 2: said right before we talked about taxes. What did you say,

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Speaker 2: neo feudalism, Ben, what can you just describe what you

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Speaker 2: mean by that?

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Speaker 3: Fiefdoms?

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Speaker 4: Right, it's like political fiefdom I mean, I think.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. It's the idea of replacing the

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Speaker 3: Great American experiment with something closer to monl lords. Yes,

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Speaker 3: got it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they just want a king again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which is what George Washington legendary pill shout out

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Speaker 3: Shane Gillis. George Washington was correct when he refused monarchy.

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Speaker 3: And there are some people in his crew that really

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Speaker 3: love this idea of using Kinglee terms and throwing him around,

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Speaker 3: and he flatly rejected it. And if I could just

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Speaker 3: take this moment to recommend listening to the Ridiculous History

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Speaker 3: episode with AJ Jacobs about the Constitution and his book

733
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Speaker 3: on living Constitutionally and crazy, crazy thing that this guy

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Speaker 3: did and wrote a book about it, basically to get

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Speaker 3: to what the letter of the intent of the Constitution was.

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Speaker 3: And a lot of things we're talking about today come

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Speaker 3: up in that episode.

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Speaker 4: So give it a listen. I think it'd be a

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Speaker 4: good supplement to this conversation.

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Speaker 3: Aj Bahamas Jacobs The Year of Living Constitutionally. He also

741
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Speaker 3: has a show with us called the Puzzler. You can

742
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Speaker 3: hear some surprising cameos, including Roywood Junior, Michael Ian Black.

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Speaker 3: He's just a delightful, very sharp guy, and he's also

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Speaker 3: concerned about this idea because the thing about monarchies is

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Speaker 3: if you are the monarch, you love that system. Right.

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Speaker 3: If you are going back to some of our earlier

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Speaker 3: episodes recently, if you are the land lord, then you

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Speaker 3: love a land lord system. Project twenty twenty five also

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Speaker 3: notes the following quote, It is not enough for Conservatives

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Speaker 3: to win elections. If we are going to rescue the

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Speaker 3: country from the grip of the radical left, we need

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Speaker 3: both a governing agenda and the right people in place

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Speaker 3: ready to carry this agenda out on day one of

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Speaker 3: the next concernervative administration. That is the goal of the

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty five Presidential Transition Project end quote. And as

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Speaker 3: we'll see later, it's low key hilarious that they're using

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Speaker 3: the word transition in particular.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, more more like seizing, right the Yeah, transition

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Speaker 6: has nothing to do with it, like what we saw

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Speaker 6: with the insurrection.

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Speaker 4: This is the idea of rejecting transition, is what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a radical left term.

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Speaker 3: If you have me. Yeah. Also, like as we're saying earlier,

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Speaker 3: this project, you, if you sit through this unabridged policy

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Speaker 3: version of the stand, what you're gonna find is that

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Speaker 3: it's if we're listening tonight, If we're listening tonight and

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Speaker 3: we feel that we are ourselves maybe more conservative, fiscally, socially, whatever,

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Speaker 3: you will be surprised, fellow conspiracy realist, by how hyper

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Speaker 3: conservative Project twenty twenty five is. I can say with certitude,

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Speaker 3: no matter how you feel when you're listening right now,

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Speaker 3: you will find something in this document that you think

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Speaker 3: is super up. Because it is a blue sky, messy

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Speaker 3: spaghetti bowl of ideas that don't always agree with each other.

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Speaker 3: They're trying to upend norms and institutions, and to the

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Speaker 3: earlier points we made, they are assuming that they only

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Speaker 3: need a few of these to get through and become laws.

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Speaker 3: I mean, let's look at the specific goals.

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Speaker 2: Ben. I think about this as for some reason, a

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Speaker 2: shotgun and like bird shot round that sprays really wide

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Speaker 2: with tiny little balls, But in this case, it's like

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Speaker 2: busshot sized balls inside the amount that you would get

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Speaker 2: with a bird shot round.

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Speaker 4: It's the literal spray and pray method, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 4: I mean sorry.

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Speaker 2: But let's wait for a second. Here a word from

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Speaker 2: our sponsor, and then get into these specifics.

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Speaker 3: So the Project twenty twenty five document this Leadership or

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Speaker 3: Thought Leader novel. It generally has four pillars, right, because

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Speaker 3: it echoes in some ways the structure of religious thought.

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Speaker 3: So the first pillar is to quote restore the family

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Speaker 3: as the centerpiece of American life. What do we think

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Speaker 3: that means? Can we hear that whistle?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And I choked on it, I mean, ever choked on

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Speaker 4: the little thing inside a whistle, and then all of

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Speaker 4: a sudden you're just whistling every time you breathe.

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Speaker 3: That's what's happening. Okay, well it happens. It happens delightfully

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Speaker 3: in cartoons.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, dude, the idea, Yeah, it's it's it's inherently

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Speaker 4: dog whistley the American life. The family. Families mean so

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Speaker 4: many different things these days, and and and this idea

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Speaker 4: of the heritage version of the family. Think about the

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Speaker 4: families of old you know, husband, wife, you know Johnny, Jenny,

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Speaker 4: you know, well that too. But that's the thing though,

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Speaker 4: all of its illusion, all of it's a fantasy. You know,

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Speaker 4: the husbands were cheating left and right. There is abuse

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Speaker 4: going on, you know, horrible things. It's there's no magical

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Speaker 4: golden time where the family was this perfect unit of existence.

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Speaker 4: But what this means is getting rid of any kind

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Speaker 4: of queer uh you know, elements in families, you know

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Speaker 4: lgbt Q I plus just burn it with fire, kill

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Speaker 4: it with fire.

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Speaker 2: It's uh yeah, now, hold on, does it say that

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Speaker 2: specifically in there that the family is a man, a woman, kids,

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Speaker 2: and a but there.

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Speaker 4: Are because of the elements that can unfilteredly spew that

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Speaker 4: kind of stuff as talking points, and that's what gets

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Speaker 4: people on board. And then they're they're kind of tacitly

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Speaker 4: supported because no one's saying that that's wrong.

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Speaker 3: It's also yeah, it's it's a culture war piece, right.

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Speaker 3: And the second pillar is the idea of dismantling institutions

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Speaker 3: and norms, which just you know, if you have ever

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Speaker 3: spent time in Latin America or the continent of Africa,

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Speaker 3: when that stuff goes sideways, it escalates quickly. It is

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Speaker 3: very important to remember that, you know what I mean, Libertarian, conservative,

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Speaker 3: Green Party, Democrat, whatever, you kind of need that stuff

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Speaker 3: to happen. You need the roads to work, you need

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Speaker 3: the light switch to turn on, you need to be

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Speaker 3: able to drink the water or Project twenty twenty five

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Speaker 3: aims to dismantle a lot of the I would say,

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Speaker 3: the circulatory system the anatomy of the American.

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Speaker 4: State, and replace it with what feudalism? Isn't that chaos?

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Speaker 4: Isn't that anarchy? I just who's you know, who's in

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Speaker 4: charge of the utilities, Like I don't understand like the

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Speaker 4: basics of running the infrastructure. Where does that go to?

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Speaker 4: You know, someone's got to run those administrations. And we

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Speaker 4: know there are a lot of red tape and it's

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Speaker 4: a pain in the butt to deal with. But it's

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Speaker 4: at least you got someone, you know, you know who

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Speaker 4: to call if your lights don't work.

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Speaker 3: That's a great point. I'm being a little hyperbolic. The

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Speaker 3: idea is to eliminate some institutions like the Department of Energy, Education, Commerce,

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Speaker 3: and then to make the Department of Justice sort of

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Speaker 3: like a lag sock puppet, a place to replace the

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Speaker 3: current federal employees civil servants with people whose only qualification

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Speaker 3: is their ideological loyalty.

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Speaker 4: Yeah the word yeah, So this would eliminate a crap

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Speaker 4: ton of jobs.

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Speaker 2: Well, well it would my understanding via the BBC. In

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Speaker 2: a couple other places, they would remove protections like that

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Speaker 2: you've got a good government job, you're protected in that position.

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Speaker 2: They would remove the protections the shielding that let's say

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Speaker 2: an individual government employee has, then that person could be

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Speaker 2: fired and an appointee then like they're making it easier

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Speaker 2: for an appointee system to be put in place where

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Speaker 2: they literally bring in their own troops.

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Speaker 3: Basically that partation is your voting record.

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Speaker 4: That part of it's scary, But I will say there

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Speaker 4: is something to be said of those protections yielding malaise

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Speaker 4: and complacency.

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Speaker 3: We always talk about government jobs.

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Speaker 4: They're cushy, and you know you can never get fired,

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Speaker 4: so you kind of just phone it in. So there

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Speaker 4: is part of me that's like, maybe that could be

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Speaker 4: reformed a little bit and maybe people would do a

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Speaker 4: better job. But then the whole replacement part is where

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Speaker 4: it gets real sticky and real politically to tintinuous.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you should be able to be a senator for

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Speaker 2: eighty years, not with that attitude.

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Speaker 3: So stroke the midstroke, the third pillar here is the

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Speaker 3: idea of defending what they would call the nation's sovereignty

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Speaker 3: and borders, aka build physical walls and adopt adopt immigration

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Speaker 3: policies that we could argue if we were the founding

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Speaker 3: fathers are kind of against the constitution. Just not picking

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Speaker 3: a side on this one. I'm just saying, if you read,

876
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 3: you see the disagreements.

877
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 2: But one thing to add on the immigration reforms that

878
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: they're hoping to put in place, or it's something we've

879
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 2: talked about with other countries that are it's a system

880
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 2: that's offered for other countries very often where if you

881
00:54:14,200 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 2: have enough money, you can fast track your application. If

882
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: you've got that premium dollar that you roll in with,

883
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 2: you get an American citizenship. But everybody else who doesn't

884
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 2: have that kind of premium money, it's way harder to

885
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:29,439
Speaker 2: get in YO.

886
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,759
Speaker 4: I met a guy on a train in Spain or

887
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 4: a couple. They're from New Zealand, and I asked them

888
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:36,800
Speaker 4: about the whole deal, where like, can you really fast

889
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,799
Speaker 4: track New Zealand citizenship by dumping a whole bunch of

890
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 4: money into the economy And he was like sure enough,

891
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 4: and he basically almost gave me a number, Like it's

892
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 4: something that folks that live over there are like intimately

893
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 4: aware of It.

894
00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 3: Was very interesting conversation. Also, you're meeting people who are

895
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 3: outside of their home country, which means that we can

896
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:00,919
Speaker 3: assume they're a little better off by a by capability

897
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 3: of travel in that regard, and it is a known thing.

898
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 3: To Matt's point, the idea of sovereignty and borders is

899
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:15,160
Speaker 3: very much a rules for thee, not for me situation

900
00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 3: across the world. It is, and it's only going to

901
00:55:18,320 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: accelerate as as traditional climates migrate into further further inhospitable environments.

902
00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 3: It is going to happen now very soon. The fourth

903
00:55:35,320 --> 00:55:37,680
Speaker 3: pillar just going to leave that one there. Think about

904
00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 3: that one. The fourth pillar is Project twenty twenty five.

905
00:55:42,600 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 3: Wants to secure what they would call God given individual

906
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: rights to live freely. This translates to tax cuts for

907
00:55:55,560 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 3: wealthy people.

908
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,720
Speaker 4: Well, can we talk a little bit right now about

909
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 4: this thing I brought up on a recent episode.

910
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 3: I can't remember it was.

911
00:56:02,520 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 4: It was not about this, but Trump has recently come

912
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:09,160
Speaker 4: out saying that he would eliminate the income tax and

913
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 4: replace it with with tariffs like heavy tears. Isn't that

914
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,400
Speaker 4: sort of within this kind of conversation here, that idea

915
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 4: of like being isolationist and you know, getting rid of

916
00:56:21,320 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 4: like these taxes that we have to pay, giving us

917
00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:25,880
Speaker 4: big old tax cuts or again to your point, probably

918
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 4: more likely the super wealthy and passing that on to

919
00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 4: other countries that we do business with. But it's kind

920
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 4: of inherently flawed and would cause the whole system as

921
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,439
Speaker 4: it currently exists to collapse under its own weight.

922
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 2: I'm just going back in time, guys, thinking about the

923
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 2: North American Treaty. What is NAFTA, the North American Free

924
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 2: Trade Trade Agreement agreement that was isn't that Clinton administration?

925
00:56:53,880 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 2: Maybe it's before that. I thought that was Clint administration,

926
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,640
Speaker 2: But that the concept of open free trade right where

927
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 2: it's it's easier to do business, it's better for the corporations,

928
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 2: versus that kind of system that you just described, where

929
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 2: it's way worse for the corporations, but it's better for

930
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 2: the individuals who maybe own the corporations. Which is an

931
00:57:18,560 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 2: interesting battle like ideological battle happening, but in the end,

932
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 2: the same people benefit.

933
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 3: Dun Dun dun, dun, dun, dundun, dundun.

934
00:57:29,600 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 4: Moves within moves, but Devil's advocate. Wouldn't we also, as

935
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 4: the individuals who are not corporate shareholders and benefits well think?

936
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,080
Speaker 4: Nor would those tariffs ultimately get passed on to us

937
00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 4: in terms of the increase in price of consumer goods.

938
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 2: We are the great battery the consumer, right, each one

939
00:57:48,640 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 2: of us. We are buying the stuff that is being

940
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: manufactured that tariffs are being placed upon the ular.

941
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 3: Sorry, it's just no, no, don't apology.

942
00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,240
Speaker 4: So we might say, so we might save something by

943
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 4: not having to pay as much tax, but we're gonna

944
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: end up paying it somewhere down the line eventually, no

945
00:58:06,200 --> 00:58:06,600
Speaker 4: matter what.

946
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 2: We'll feel so good because we're paying the man less.

947
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: But then we're like, oh crap, this twenty five dollars

948
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:16,000
Speaker 2: can of cours?

949
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: How much get a can of cors possibly costs? Matthew,

950
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 3: I say that we proposed a new currency system. You

951
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,680
Speaker 3: can have regular dollars or you can have premium dollars.

952
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 3: Because we use the word premium earlier. So why don't

953
00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 3: we go America plus? Yeah, you know what I mean.

954
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: Now you've got now, you've got your dollar plus, you

955
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:39,200
Speaker 3: got your five dollar plus.

956
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 2: And whatever Saudi Arabia is trading oil in now, Hey.

957
00:58:42,520 --> 00:58:46,360
Speaker 3: It's double plus. I'm good. Oh we missed our strange news.

958
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 3: We had such good conversations about it. Oh, we could

959
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: never go to Saudi Arabia again. So first, as we

960
00:58:54,680 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 3: mentioned earlier, twenty twenty five, Project twenty twenty five calls

961
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 3: for fiery thousands of unelected civil servants hashtag nerds or

962
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 3: as you said, in some cases, it's true people just

963
00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 3: running the clock down for their pension. Project twenty twenty

964
00:59:14,360 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: five also does hate the idea of pensions. The idea

965
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 3: of firing these people or the logic is that they.

966
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:22,760
Speaker 2: Are somehow.

967
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 3: Allied with a deep state. And the problem is, and

968
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: Project twenty twenty five recognizes this. The problem is that

969
00:59:32,360 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 3: those positions, those civil servant positions which are unelected are

970
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 3: mission critical to the function of the United States in

971
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 3: terms of both statehood and in terms of business domestic

972
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: and abroad. So they have to replace them with someone

973
00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 3: They're going to replace them with people whose qualifications are

974
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 3: entirely ideological. That just seems real sketch to me.

975
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:01,280
Speaker 4: It's like when Elon does in and took over Twitter

976
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:04,280
Speaker 4: and fired all those like crucial key workers, and then

977
01:00:04,280 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, the systems broke because he just

978
01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 4: left these whole departments that were, you know, mitigating some

979
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 4: of the horrible content that was on there and like

980
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,439
Speaker 4: you know, being gay keepers for the kind of stuff

981
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 4: that was allowed to flow through all of a sudden

982
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:19,440
Speaker 4: that just wasn't happening, and then they were surprised to

983
01:00:19,480 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 4: find that the system broke down.

984
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:21,400
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

985
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 4: I was using business as a microcosm of like what

986
01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 4: we're talking about here.

987
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 2: I want to add something that Mike Wendling wrote pretty

988
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 2: recently in the BBC about this and its notes on

989
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 2: his notes on Project twenty twenty five's adjustments to climate,

990
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: the way the government handles climate issues as well as

991
01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 2: economic issues that we're talking about here in those government jobs,

992
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 2: and how that's all interconnected and what Trump recently said. Okay,

993
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:53,440
Speaker 2: just really quickly, Yeah, he says. The paper sets out

994
01:00:53,480 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 2: two competing visions on tariffs and is divided on whether

995
01:00:57,000 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: the next president should try to boost free trade or

996
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 2: to raise barriers to exports, but the economic advisors, writing

997
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: within Project twenty twenty five suggests that a second Trump

998
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: administration should slash corporate and income taxes, abolish the federal Reserve,

999
01:01:14,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 2: and even consider a return to goldbacked currency. So it

1000
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:22,440
Speaker 2: really is exactly what we're talking about here. It is divided.

1001
01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 2: But to hear a presidential candidate who is currently campaigning

1002
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 2: for that position again basically put forth and say, hey,

1003
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 2: this is what I want to do, and it's the

1004
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 2: exact thing that's written and described here by the BBC,

1005
01:01:37,400 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 2: that's written in Project twenty twenty five, it is pretty striking.

1006
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,720
Speaker 3: I would say, one hundred percent. You know, like any Bible,

1007
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:49,600
Speaker 3: it doesn't necessarily agree with itself. Here is also the

1008
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 3: golden goose of the thing. Right, The main reason or

1009
01:01:55,720 --> 01:01:59,920
Speaker 3: the main reason in the United States that powerful people

1010
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 3: will fund a given candidate is because ultimately they want

1011
01:02:04,160 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 3: control of the court. You know. At the very top

1012
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 3: they're supreme. Yeah. Yeah, at the very top there are

1013
01:02:11,960 --> 01:02:16,240
Speaker 3: nine kind of ring wraiths who never have to leave

1014
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 3: until they die and what they say goes, and they

1015
01:02:20,320 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 3: are in charge of their own oversight, which is gross

1016
01:02:24,040 --> 01:02:25,600
Speaker 3: and weird and stupid.

1017
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 4: They've already been stacked in a particular direction that's going

1018
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 4: to have implications for you know, many many years to come.

1019
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1020
01:02:33,880 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 2: They're also in charge of keeping those private plane trips quiet.

1021
01:02:37,320 --> 01:02:42,920
Speaker 3: Hey you said you wouldn't talk about it. So here's

1022
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,240
Speaker 3: the golden goose of Project twenty twenty five. Just the

1023
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:50,920
Speaker 3: same way that the ultimate goal of any political party

1024
01:02:50,920 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 3: in the US is to control Scotus, the ultimate goal

1025
01:02:54,840 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 3: of Project twenty twenty five is to execute something we

1026
01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:05,120
Speaker 3: will call u unitary executive theory in a hyper hyper

1027
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: idealized way. The concept is that if you are president,

1028
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 3: you control everything under the executive branch. There are three

1029
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,040
Speaker 3: branches in American government. The executive branch is low key

1030
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:25,200
Speaker 3: a big deal. So this means that if you're president,

1031
01:03:25,720 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 3: you automatically control the Department of Justice, hire and fire

1032
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:35,479
Speaker 3: at will right a point, or de appoint. You could

1033
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 3: scuttle investigations. You can see how this would be convenient

1034
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:44,360
Speaker 3: if you were, just, for a hypothetical example, a president

1035
01:03:44,440 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 3: of the United States with some heavy federal charges dogging you.

1036
01:03:48,680 --> 01:03:51,160
Speaker 4: What about the thing that I always remember from early

1037
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:53,919
Speaker 4: Civics class, the idea of checks and balances?

1038
01:03:54,280 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 3: Does that always go out the window?

1039
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 4: Is this like the goal here is to like kind

1040
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 4: of remove those checks and balance says and have the

1041
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 4: president be acting completely autonomously and just you know, single

1042
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 4: that unilateral right?

1043
01:04:07,280 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 3: Is that right? With the assumption that the war branch

1044
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 3: is on three fronts. So if you control the judiciary, right,

1045
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 3: the judicial branch, and you are the god of the

1046
01:04:19,360 --> 01:04:22,040
Speaker 3: executive branch, then all you need to do is get

1047
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,120
Speaker 3: the legislative branch to play ball.

1048
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 4: And if they're all in your corner politically speaking, and

1049
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:29,560
Speaker 4: they couch out to everything you say, and then you've

1050
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 4: got that locked.

1051
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:34,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, and everybody's got a Bible that you can reference.

1052
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,920
Speaker 2: Just go to page twelve.

1053
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a good one. That's a good pitch. Check

1054
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,360
Speaker 3: out the footnotes. The fire footnotes are amazing. One of

1055
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 3: the key things here that a lot of people miss

1056
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 3: again is the removal of certain government institutions. I get it.

1057
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:59,959
Speaker 3: Paying taxes sucks. Okay, it's not. The wealthy people don't

1058
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 3: really pay taxes. Is just for we the poor, the

1059
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 3: vast majority of the United States and this crazy experiment.

1060
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 3: But the reason we have to play this game is

1061
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 3: because it's like being in a country club. Right. The

1062
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,200
Speaker 3: idea is that you pay some dues and you receive

1063
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:24,680
Speaker 3: certain things. So the idea of cutting things like the

1064
01:05:24,760 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 3: Department of Education, it's machavelian to the level of taking

1065
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 3: the courts right, Like if you remove and I'm getting

1066
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 3: Overwellian here. If you remove the ability to articulate and

1067
01:05:40,800 --> 01:05:46,760
Speaker 3: understand a concept, then you have disabled people. They will

1068
01:05:46,800 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 3: not be able to synthesize information. It's evil, it's brilliant.

1069
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:56,360
Speaker 3: It's some real snake in the garden stuff.

1070
01:05:56,600 --> 01:05:59,960
Speaker 2: Comply, comply, they sure will comply for you.

1071
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 3: Obey, consume right, they live.

1072
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll. I'll enjoy that big Mac in that cores well.

1073
01:06:08,200 --> 01:06:10,439
Speaker 4: But big Macs are three x the cost they used

1074
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:12,480
Speaker 4: to be though, Like, I mean, seriously, I saw a

1075
01:06:12,480 --> 01:06:15,320
Speaker 4: table of like fast food prices, which I think is

1076
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:18,040
Speaker 4: a good metric of inflation because they used to be

1077
01:06:18,080 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: like the value menu and things were ninety nine cents.

1078
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 3: That isn't even a thing anymore.

1079
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:24,240
Speaker 4: Now they call it the like there's another name for

1080
01:06:24,280 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 4: it that it's no longer like the ninety nine cent

1081
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 4: value menu or whatever. But I mean literally, the cost

1082
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 4: of a big Mac is like practically five or six dollars,

1083
01:06:32,080 --> 01:06:34,960
Speaker 4: and it used to be just like, you know, three Maybe.

1084
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:37,960
Speaker 3: The dollar store is selling things that are over a dollar.

1085
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:40,280
Speaker 4: So what do we visible store? I guess my questions.

1086
01:06:40,280 --> 01:06:44,440
Speaker 4: We're still paying taxes out the wazoo, and there's prices

1087
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:47,440
Speaker 4: are going up and a lot of jobs. You know,

1088
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 4: people are fighting for unionizing so that they can ensure

1089
01:06:50,880 --> 01:06:53,280
Speaker 4: that they get these cost of living increases, because that's

1090
01:06:53,320 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 4: not guaranteed either.

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Speaker 3: What are we getting, Like, I.

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Speaker 4: Don't really understand where the trade off is even happening.

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Speaker 3: Well, there is a there is under this proposal a

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Speaker 3: deputized national guard that can invade non compliance states like

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Speaker 3: within what Yeah, that's like Civil Wars.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's this movie that came out called Civil War. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: watch it.

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Speaker 3: There's an excellent novel by our pal Robert Evans, good

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Speaker 3: friend of the show, called It Could Happen Here, and

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Speaker 3: it is a continuing podcast as well. Please do check

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Speaker 3: it out.

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Speaker 2: Oh man, I could wasn't it? Wasn't that a Sinclear

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Speaker 2: Lewis book two way back in the day. I think

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Speaker 2: I have that one. It Can Happen Here, and it's

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Speaker 2: all about this exact kind of thing. But I'm okay,

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Speaker 2: I want to read just so you really get this.

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Speaker 2: Go right now, if you've got your phone, if you've

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Speaker 2: got a computer near you, go to Project two zero

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Speaker 2: two five dot org slash policy. Just go there, okay,

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Speaker 2: and you will see You'll see Policy Policy Agenda. And

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Speaker 2: this is the short paragraph we're you're just going to

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Speaker 2: read it verbatim. This is about that book that been

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Speaker 2: described Mandate for Leadership, the Conservative Promise. Quote. This book

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Speaker 2: is an invitation for you, the reader, mister Smith, missus Smith,

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Speaker 2: and miss Smith to come to Washington or support those

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Speaker 2: who can. Our goal is to assemble an army of aligned, vetted,

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Speaker 2: trained and prepared conservatives to go to work on day

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Speaker 2: one here. It is to deconststruct the administrative state.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Also go to Project while you're there, go to

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Speaker 3: Project two zero two five dot org Forward Slash Playbook. Oh,

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Speaker 3: and that'll give you a direct link to Mandate for Leadership,

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Speaker 3: the Conservative Promise. It's all about the one hundred and

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Speaker 3: eighty day period after an election, which is very big

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Speaker 3: here in the United States. Look, we know it's weird,

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Speaker 3: fellow conspiracy realist, we get that it's stupid. Uh, these

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Speaker 3: are strange rules, but they are being weaponized. I would

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Speaker 3: say the most dangerous thing, and even you know, the

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Speaker 3: the why did you do this thing is the concept

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Speaker 3: of the culture war. This document aims to erase language.

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Speaker 3: It mandates the idea of removing terms like sexual orientation

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Speaker 3: or diversity, or gender equality, or even abortion or reproductive

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Speaker 3: rights from all federal laws and regulations. Like Orwell said,

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Speaker 3: it is removing ability to think about a thing and

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Speaker 3: to articulate that thing.

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Speaker 4: It is what does mean for those communities that are

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Speaker 4: that those things that are directly represent and that are

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Speaker 4: in a fight to attain or continue to have access

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Speaker 4: to those things.

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Speaker 3: Is just the case idea.

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Speaker 4: It's a those communities, you don't exist as far as

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Speaker 4: we're concerned. Your struggles do not exist as far as

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Speaker 4: we're concerned.

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Speaker 3: And here's the con here's the GAF, here's the grift.

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Speaker 3: The people proposing that kind of culture worse stuff. For

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Speaker 3: the large part, they do not care. The idea is

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Speaker 3: that you find someone who is desperate and you hook

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Speaker 3: them in with a tribal identification of some sort, and

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Speaker 3: then by getting them in the door with that, they

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Speaker 3: will follow all your other stuff. So the people who

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Speaker 3: are proposing this, and again just a political this is

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Speaker 3: a genuine objective point. People who try to take you

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Speaker 3: in or shepherd you in with this kind of rhetoric

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01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,519
Speaker 3: window dressing. What they really want to do is to

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Speaker 3: have a loyal follower for fiscal policy that one hundred

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Speaker 3: percent will not benefit you if you are most American people.

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Speaker 3: All right, let me get off the soapbox.

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Speaker 4: Here, quick recommendations that it's popping right now. The new

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01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:10,519
Speaker 4: season of the Boys really starts to get into some

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Speaker 4: of these types of political machinations. It's just dropped, like

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Speaker 4: first three episodes are out and it's it's dark as

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Speaker 4: all get out, and four I think maybe yeah, and

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Speaker 4: it's it's very very good and very dystopian and deals

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Speaker 4: with a lot of these kind of themes that we're

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Speaker 4: talking about here.

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Speaker 2: I love that show me too.

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Speaker 3: Here's the scary thing. This is where we end. And folks,

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Speaker 3: we know that people have political sensitivities. Obviously we're not

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Speaker 3: attacking anyone. We're walking through again a wish list of

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Speaker 3: stuff that if one hundred percent of it is enacted,

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Speaker 3: it is bad for democracy, regardless of who wins the

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Speaker 3: next election for president and arguably Congress folks are more

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Speaker 3: important than a president any in this model, right with

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Speaker 3: unitary ex Yeah, the thing is that no matter what happens,

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Speaker 3: any single Project twenty twenty five proposal would immediately be

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Speaker 3: challenged in court. The thing is, if you already own

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Speaker 3: the courts, who gets to make the call. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the reason they be challenged is because they are fundamentally uncoonritutional,

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Speaker 3: un American. I would say, they're not part of the vibe,

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Speaker 3: and we have to face it as a Western civilization.

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Speaker 3: There's a very young experiment. It's very hold my beer.

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Speaker 3: America is crazy and scary. It always has been. You know,

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01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 3: it's always Halloween in America. There's a reason that this

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01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:56,439
Speaker 3: country is the world's leading exporter of horror films. It's

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Speaker 3: because people are, you know, freaked out right. So the

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01:13:02,280 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 3: idea is that if any anybody takes up a couple

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Speaker 3: of these policies, they will trigger a snowball effect, right,

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Speaker 3: a domino reaction. And again, like our earlier examples with

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Speaker 3: the Clinton administration, the Obama administration, the Biden administration, the

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Speaker 3: thing is, it is a very very good offer. If

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Speaker 3: you were president, the idea of unending executive power. You know,

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Speaker 3: you are beyond impeachment, you are beyond you are literally

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Speaker 3: beyond justice. Don't be fooled. Don't think it's just Republicans

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Speaker 3: that would do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it only has to happen one time, right, and

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Speaker 2: then you don't have elections anymore, or there's a potential

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Speaker 2: to lose the ability to elect you know, your team

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Speaker 2: or the other team, because you only need two teams,

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Speaker 2: right anybody.

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Speaker 3: Russia has elections every couple of years. The numbers are wild.

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, did you know if North Korea or Russia

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Speaker 2: goes to war, now the other one is obligated to

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Speaker 2: go to war as well. Isn't that interesting?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah. And also, a president unimpeachable is

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Speaker 3: no longer a president by definition. Instead, it becomes a

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Speaker 3: fascist at template, Messiah, a monarch. Dare I say, how

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Speaker 3: an American a king at least authoritarian, right at the

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Speaker 3: very least.

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Speaker 4: Well, do you think, though, they would keep a semblance

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Speaker 4: of some kind of light democracy in place to appease

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Speaker 4: some folks?

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Speaker 3: You know, again, Russia has some bangor elections.

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Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. You know, I just don't think

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Speaker 4: they would. I think it would be too much of

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Speaker 4: a of a jarring change. Dare we say transition lol,

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Speaker 4: to like just completely eradicate the elections as we know it,

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Speaker 4: So it would be a slow burn kind of I

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Speaker 4: think the way it would ultimately take place, it would

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Speaker 4: be kind of teered and you know, Oh no, no,

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Speaker 4: we'll still have these elections.

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Speaker 3: You can still vote for your local officials.

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Speaker 4: You know, to give the semblance of that umami of

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Speaker 4: democracy while functionally obliterating it for all intents and purposes

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Speaker 4: on a larger federal scale.

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Speaker 3: Check out our upcoming episodes on election monitoring. If you

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Speaker 3: enjoyed this one, check out also our episode on the

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Speaker 3: history of artificial flavors upcoming on Ridiculous History. Have we

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Speaker 3: mentioned fun at parties? I think it must be said.

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Speaker 3: Here's the question, though, really, just objectively, what president Democrat

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Speaker 3: Republican at all would have the integrity to pass over

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Speaker 3: the chance at such enormous power. This is the ring

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Speaker 3: of souron kind of situation, and that remains the danger

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Speaker 3: since seventeen seventy six to twenty twenty four. This is

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Speaker 3: the stuff they don't want you to know. We look

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Speaker 3: forward to your thoughts. We try to be easy to

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Speaker 3: find online. That's right.

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Speaker 4: You can find us at the handle Conspiracy Stuff, where

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Speaker 4: we exist, on Facebook, where you can join our Facebook

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 4: group Beers where it gets crazy, Also on XFKA, Twitter,

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Speaker 4: and on YouTube where we have video content rolling out

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Speaker 4: every single week. I'm quite delighted by a current video

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Speaker 4: float around out there of bloopers of some of our shoots.

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Speaker 4: See a peak behind the curtain. Now the sausage is made,

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01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:30,000
Speaker 4: the conspiracy video sausage that is. You can also find

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Speaker 4: it's a conspiracy stuff show on Instagram and TikTok.

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Speaker 2: I really love that video, by the way, it makes

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Speaker 2: me very happy, me too. If you want to call us,

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Speaker 2: keep in mind that before you do, we are attempting

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Speaker 2: to see the big picture here and analyze it with you.

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Speaker 2: So if you've got just some perspective that we either

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Speaker 2: missed or we need to think about, let us know.

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Speaker 2: Just be constructive when you call in. We're a team, everybody.

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Speaker 2: We're all part of the same team trying to deconstruct

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Speaker 2: this the strain of state.

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Speaker 4: We're all hands in the same sock puppets, you know, whatever,

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Speaker 4: sock puppets on the same hand.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's keep it, let's keep it nice, everybody,

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Speaker 2: cordru call one eight three three std WYTK give yourself

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Speaker 2: a cool nickname. You've got three minutes. Do say whatever

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Speaker 2: you'd like. We're not putting rules on it. We're just

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Speaker 2: giving a suggestion. If you've got more to say than

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Speaker 2: can fit in that three minutes, why not instead send

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Speaker 2: us a good old fashioned email.

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Speaker 3: We are the entities that read every email we receive.

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Speaker 3: Be well aware the void writes back. We will also

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Speaker 3: say to the excellent point that Matt made just a

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Speaker 3: moment ago, this is a all edit together thin. No

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Speaker 3: human civilization resides anywhere other than Earth for now, so

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Speaker 3: we have to figure it out. Life is one long,

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Speaker 3: non consensual improv game. This is the escape room conspiracy

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Speaker 3: at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff they Don't want you to know is a production

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