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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on, guys, and it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: Dave wanted the wings and I don't think kis have
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Speaker 1: my wings later. I know you're you're gonna be nose
Speaker 1: deep in it. But let's go looking at really the
Speaker 1: past week of the Dallas Cowboys, and of course even
Speaker 1: prior to last week when we did our one round
Speaker 1: mock draft here on the Draft Show, we talked about
Speaker 1: the potentials for interior defensive linemen and who had already
Speaker 1: just been taken care of, at least whenever it comes
Speaker 1: to the signings for the Dallas Cowboys, Gerald McCoy now
Speaker 1: don Terry Poe joining the Cowboys each on a couple
Speaker 1: of multi year deals. And then yesterday we also had
Speaker 1: an edge rusher signed by the Dallas Cowboys, mister Alden Smith,
Speaker 1: a former Pro bowler. We're gonna get into all of that,
Speaker 1: but I kind of want to start with the defensive
Speaker 1: tackles guys, and how this kind of affects the draft
Speaker 1: plan for the Dallas Cowboys. And Katie, I want to
Speaker 1: start with you. I mean, these are two bigger bodies
Speaker 1: in the middle of this defensive line, but does that
Speaker 1: kind of sway you from I know what you were
Speaker 1: wanting early in the draft show process, which was javon
Speaker 1: Kin law. Does this sway you at all? Having McCoy
Speaker 1: and Poe, No, it really doesn't changed too much for me,
Speaker 1: Like I still want to take the best player, and
Speaker 1: I feel like we are in a situation where ken
Speaker 1: Law at seventeen does seem like that's kind of sketchy,
Speaker 1: like it might not happen. So if ki Law falls
Speaker 1: to you at seventeen, I'm still gonna do that, but
Speaker 1: you know, still take the best player in seventeen. This
Speaker 1: roster's too close. Take the best player, and you know
Speaker 1: you'll figure out your defensive end problem at some point,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's where Chason comes into play. Bucky Now,
Speaker 1: I think it opens up the board. I think is
Speaker 1: now just sitting take the best player available. When you're
Speaker 1: sitting there at seventeen, depending upon when the run at
Speaker 1: quarterback goes, you don't have a good player fall to
Speaker 1: you at seventeen. So from a defensive standpoint, if Javanna
Speaker 1: Ken laws there, I think it's a no brainer. When
Speaker 1: it comes to the edge rushers, they could be available.
Speaker 1: I think you're talking about a aj Epanessa. You may
Speaker 1: be talking about a Chason And then you're two and
Speaker 1: gross mottos. It really just depends on how Mike Nolan
Speaker 1: views the edge rusher class and what he wants in
Speaker 1: that position. Even though they're bringing an audience faith, I
Speaker 1: don't think he precludes or changes your draft plans. I
Speaker 1: still think you're trying to find a blue chip player
Speaker 1: that can come in and play right away. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I think it's really funny. The cowboy always are doing
Speaker 1: exactly what they always do, but they still find a
Speaker 1: way to throw you a curveball or two, right, because
Speaker 1: we're not used to see in the big names. We're
Speaker 1: certainly not used to seeing the big body nose tackles
Speaker 1: like Dantari Poe, not during Rob Marinelli's tenure at any rate.
Speaker 1: And anybody that saw Alden Smith coming go buy some
Speaker 1: Lotto tickets because that's about as big of a curveball
Speaker 1: as I've ever seen in my career. But it's still
Speaker 1: it fits their game plan right, Like they're not going
Speaker 1: to be big spenders, they're bargain hunters. They're paying PO
Speaker 1: five something million a year and change. I think Smith's
Speaker 1: base salary is only two million with incentives built in.
Speaker 1: But what does it do Bucky's is exactly right. It
Speaker 1: opens up the board because the reason I've been talking
Speaker 1: about Calevan Chason this whole time is because it looked
Speaker 1: like they needed to draft a defensive end. Now Alden
Speaker 1: Smith and potentially Randy Gregory shouldn't change that need whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But it puts you in a position where you don't
Speaker 1: have to spend that pick on an edge rusher if
Speaker 1: you don't want to. I think where it gets really fun.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Kyle, I think where it gets really fun
Speaker 1: is what happens if Ken Law's gone, Chasn's gone, whoever
Speaker 1: they have graded his cornerback too. Maybe it's C. J. Henderson,
Speaker 1: maybe he's gone. Like with seventeen, you're sitting there going,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to go back, and you can't
Speaker 1: always do that. So or you want to join team
Speaker 1: forty Burger, Kevin, that's the answer, all right, get yourself
Speaker 1: a wide receiver being any of the top three receiver
Speaker 1: is gonna be there for teen forty Burger at seventeen.
Speaker 1: That's not a guarantee either, especially if you look at
Speaker 1: some of the guys that are gonna go off the
Speaker 1: board early. I mean, do we want to have the
Speaker 1: conversation about Justin Jefferson, because we can do that. What
Speaker 1: about Jalen Raiger, Jalen Rager, how about Brandon for seventeen?
Speaker 1: I think all three of those are two high. For seventeen, yeah,
Speaker 1: I think I think those guys are a little too high.
Speaker 1: But if we talk about everyone can't go in the
Speaker 1: first sixteen picks, can't have a ton of quarterbacks, we
Speaker 1: can't have all the playmakers, all the defensive guys go.
Speaker 1: There's gonna be a good player. This sitting right there
Speaker 1: at seventeen, I think what you've done by getting the
Speaker 1: veteran players, you've kind of assured that at least opening day,
Speaker 1: the start of the season, you have someone that can
Speaker 1: tread out with the ones. Now it's about what's the
Speaker 1: blue chip player. Find the blue chip player, take that
Speaker 1: blue chip player of the girls of the position underneed.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of starting to look toward now that
Speaker 1: you've kind of filled some of these needs in free agency,
Speaker 1: like a defensive tackle, like an edge rusher potentially, And
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you've filled needs with bodies. Like David said,
Speaker 1: these aren't necessarily the be all, end all moves. These
Speaker 1: are moves that have kind of set you up for
Speaker 1: success to add talent, young talent, cheap talent through the draft,
Speaker 1: but also have some veteran presence and maybe a safety
Speaker 1: net if those debts don't necessarily work out. I mean,
Speaker 1: look back to twenty nineteen's draft. You thought you had
Speaker 1: a gem of a pick in Connor McGovern in the
Speaker 1: third round to pick ninety. He didn't play all last year.
Speaker 1: That's not because he's a bad player. He just had
Speaker 1: some health issues. And if you were relying on him
Speaker 1: to be a starting interior offensive lineman heading into twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: it would have been a lot different or a lot
Speaker 1: more disappointing the fact that he was unhealthy. Now you've
Speaker 1: got kind of a safety net underneath you. You're starting
Speaker 1: to build a little bit of a roster, and I
Speaker 1: see how it opens up the board. But I kind
Speaker 1: of want to keep a mindset on defensive line right
Speaker 1: now and ask you guys this question, which part of
Speaker 1: the defensive line is now the highest draft need? Is
Speaker 1: it interior or where is it on the edge? I
Speaker 1: honest definitely a good Well. I'm sorry, Kate, I don't
Speaker 1: think anything has changed. Like I just said, I still
Speaker 1: look at right end as a huge problem spot and
Speaker 1: Alden Smith is. It's super intriguing because the upside is
Speaker 1: crazy if it pans out. But how can you count
Speaker 1: on that? I believe right now he has not been reinstated. Obviously,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are pretty optimistic that he will be, or
Speaker 1: else they wouldn't have signed him, But he has not
Speaker 1: been reinstated. Neither has Randy Gregory. Gregory hasn't played in
Speaker 1: more than a year. Alvin Smith hasn't played since twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Think about what you were doing in twenty fifteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's so it's crazy. So I can't sit here and
Speaker 1: count on either of those guys. I don't feel great
Speaker 1: about what was already on the roster, Tyron Crawford coming
Speaker 1: off hip surgery, and then a bunch of young players
Speaker 1: that haven't done a whole lot. It has not been
Speaker 1: addressed to the point where I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 1: So I still, you know, Gerald McCoy and Dontari Poe
Speaker 1: are are starter caliber players. They still don't have anything
Speaker 1: on the right side that just makes me feel super great.
Speaker 1: I know the game is, you know, trying to take
Speaker 1: the best player you can, but would you guys agree
Speaker 1: with me that you feel better about the defensive tackle
Speaker 1: depth in round two than maybe the edge rusher depth
Speaker 1: on Day two in general? I would agree, Yeah, I would,
Speaker 1: I would agree, And I think I think you're kind
Speaker 1: of answering the question for yourself right there, because the
Speaker 1: falloff and edge rushers from first round to second round.
Speaker 1: If they're going to make a move, they have to
Speaker 1: make a move in the first round that defensive end
Speaker 1: need outside linebacker, however you want to call it, that
Speaker 1: edge rusher player they need. I think with Randy Gregory
Speaker 1: and Aldon Smith, those are kind of bonus picks. If
Speaker 1: even one of those guys materializes and turns into a
Speaker 1: prominent player at death, great, I still think they have
Speaker 1: to enter the draft thinking, man, it'd be great to
Speaker 1: be able to get an edge rusher, a playmaker, someone
Speaker 1: that can be disruptive off the edge at seventeen. And
Speaker 1: then it's a matter of this defense four three three four.
Speaker 1: Whoever they pick has to be a guy that kind
Speaker 1: of fits what Mike Nolan so we envisions in terms
Speaker 1: of that playing style as an edge player, and a
Speaker 1: lot of it determines on Okay, after Chase Young goes,
Speaker 1: who are the next ones to go? It? Will any
Speaker 1: of those guys be available when they get to seventeen?
Speaker 1: Plenty of options for the Cowboys at seventeen. And I
Speaker 1: mean you could even throw secondary into the mix. I
Speaker 1: mean we've talked about a corner or a safety really
Speaker 1: since the draft show started about eighty five days ago,
Speaker 1: just based off of the fact that you need a safety.
Speaker 1: You still need a corner. You've lost Byron Jones, and
Speaker 1: even with the addition of Haw Haw Clinton Dicks at
Speaker 1: the safety spot, you're not necessarily sold in that spot
Speaker 1: as well. So with all of this being said, and
Speaker 1: if you would have asked me this question, and if
Speaker 1: I would have asked you guys this question three weeks ago,
Speaker 1: it might have been a lot different. But right now,
Speaker 1: as we sit twenty one days from the NFL Draft,
Speaker 1: what are your top three needs for the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: in order at this moment? Oh wow, that's tough because
Speaker 1: it's not an easy question. It's really not um But Bucky,
Speaker 1: I want to hear I mean, we've been doing this
Speaker 1: for three months. I want to hear your thoughts on it.
Speaker 1: Just a new a new perspective. I think it has
Speaker 1: to be somewhere on the defenses of the ball. I
Speaker 1: think offensively they're good enough to to to play at
Speaker 1: a high level. Defensively, edge rusher corner safety. I would
Speaker 1: say edge rusher because the best way to protect the
Speaker 1: back end is to make sure that you're able to
Speaker 1: generate pressure when you go back and you look at
Speaker 1: Mike Nolan's history and the fact that Jim tom Sula
Speaker 1: when they had a role, I think what you want
Speaker 1: to do is be able to dominate people up front
Speaker 1: and find an edge rusher that can get home consistently.
Speaker 1: If it's not one of those guys, then it has
Speaker 1: to be a top flight cornerback, someone that can play
Speaker 1: man demand, but also has enough in the toolbox to
Speaker 1: be able to get after people in a variety of
Speaker 1: different ways. And then safety. The thing about the safety class,
Speaker 1: I'm not overwhelmed with any of the top safeties, and
Speaker 1: so I don't know if in the first round you
Speaker 1: have to go and get a safety, because they all
Speaker 1: kind of they're okay. I don't think they're stars at
Speaker 1: the top of the board. So I would focus on
Speaker 1: somewhere in that front line, somewhere on the edge, someone
Speaker 1: that can make it happen. Someone that can create sacks
Speaker 1: and really disrupt the play of the passing year. That's
Speaker 1: where it gets real fund from what Dave was saying
Speaker 1: earlier though, because I think that fourth need might be
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Three. Yeah, and it just depending what's there.
Speaker 1: If the best player was a wide receiver, whether it
Speaker 1: be one of the Big three or whoever you're in
Speaker 1: love with the Big Three being Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs
Speaker 1: and Ceedee Lamb. I find that kind of fascinating of
Speaker 1: how they would think with an offensive minded head coach
Speaker 1: coming in here as well. If the best player graded
Speaker 1: was their fourth need, that's where things get really fun.
Speaker 1: On draft night, I would agree with Bucky out of percent,
Speaker 1: though you look at their depth chart. I really liked
Speaker 1: their move of bringing back Anthony Brown, and I know
Speaker 1: he was cheap and Cheeto's going into year three not
Speaker 1: giving up on Cheetoh at all. Year four, You're four, Katie,
Speaker 1: year four, I'm sorry, so so a defensive end, time flies, man,
Speaker 1: except when you're quarantined and time goes by really slow.
Speaker 1: But like you have recognizable names there at cornerback, it's
Speaker 1: not you know, you've got to feel in for Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: but we're talking about big time gambles on Aldon Smith
Speaker 1: and Randy Gregory and plug Tyron Crawford's coming back, and
Speaker 1: maybe he could play some defensive end for you. But
Speaker 1: so I agree one hundred percent it's Bucky. It's it's
Speaker 1: right defensive end. That is their number one need. For sure,
Speaker 1: I was making a thing a bit easier. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: so conflicted though, I mean, I agree with everything Bucky
Speaker 1: said too, It's hard to ignore any of those needs.
Speaker 1: The cornerback situation is kind of terrifying because Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: is really the only sure thing you have now and
Speaker 1: in the future. I love George Lewis, but even if
Speaker 1: he's good, he's in a contract here. But having said
Speaker 1: all of that, I can't stop thinking about wide receiver.
Speaker 1: You know deep, No, I mean, I know we joke about,
Speaker 1: we joke about drafting one and having this great offense,
Speaker 1: But like, isn't a strategy for success surrounding your quarterback
Speaker 1: with the best options possible? Like, yeah, you could sign
Speaker 1: Tavon Austin and throw them in there to be your slot,
Speaker 1: but like, is that the best strategy when you consider
Speaker 1: all of the great wide receivers that are available in
Speaker 1: this draft. And if you want your thirty one million
Speaker 1: dollars maybe thirty five million dollar quarterback to succeed, I
Speaker 1: want as many good players around him as possible. And
Speaker 1: you can talk to me all day about how a
Speaker 1: great quarterback should elevate lesser players. I don't care give
Speaker 1: the guy town. I mean, Pat Mahomes just won a
Speaker 1: Super Bowl surrounded by Pro Bowl caliver skill players, and
Speaker 1: so I can't call wide receiver a top three need.
Speaker 1: But I really think it would be in their best
Speaker 1: interest to address that opening with a high caliber player.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, I don't know, that's just me. Why
Speaker 1: Why is it not surprising to me the fact that
Speaker 1: David Hellman loses sleep at night thinking about drafting wide receivers.
Speaker 1: Is that? Is that just the most David Hellman thing
Speaker 1: you've ever heard of? I mean, do you want do
Speaker 1: you want to like throw Cedric Wilson out there, or
Speaker 1: do you want to go get one of these ten
Speaker 1: million badass receivers, Like there's so many of them, and
Speaker 1: I mean you to get one of those in the
Speaker 1: third in the fourth round though you could and they might,
Speaker 1: but and I mean you still you have a decline
Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I'm not saying they have to
Speaker 1: do it at seventeen, but I would argue, like one
Speaker 1: of their first three picks, you're gonna have a chance
Speaker 1: to draft their really good wide receiver. That's all I think, David.
Speaker 1: I think you hit on something when you talk about
Speaker 1: in the second and third rounds. If you go back
Speaker 1: and look at Mike McCarthy's history, that's typically how the
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers did it under his watch. They were
Speaker 1: find guys in the second and third round, guys that
Speaker 1: could come in. They would develop them in a way.
Speaker 1: They would go from Jody Nelson to Greg Jennings and
Speaker 1: on and on, and so I think that might be
Speaker 1: the sweet spot for the Dallas Cowboys. We've talked about
Speaker 1: the depth and the talent in this wide receiver class.
Speaker 1: It's gotten to have been proven that you can get
Speaker 1: a number one receiver in the second round. We saw
Speaker 1: a j Brown pop for Tennessee. We saw Terry mclauren
Speaker 1: in the third round pop for the Washington Riskins. Michael Thomas,
Speaker 1: who summer considering the best receiver in football, was the
Speaker 1: second round. So if the Cowboys knowing exactly what they want,
Speaker 1: they can find a guy in the second round. But
Speaker 1: you're right, they have to get a Tier one player,
Speaker 1: blue chip player in the first round, someone that could
Speaker 1: come in and immediately make a significant contribution. I like
Speaker 1: that you mentioned that, Bucky, because the Cowboys obviously they
Speaker 1: do weigh in like a lot of teams do. They
Speaker 1: weigh in roadmapping the draft. Where's the depth of the draft?
Speaker 1: But you mentioned all those Packers wide receivers Davante Adams
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, second round, and the Cowboys
Speaker 1: had a little bit of success in the third round
Speaker 1: with Michael Gallant too, yea, So maybe they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we can get a receiver later. We just did it
Speaker 1: with Michael Gallup. Let's go somewhere else and really attack
Speaker 1: the defense in the first couple rounds, you know. And
Speaker 1: it's kind of funny that you bring that up, and
Speaker 1: you talk about how in the past they've tend to
Speaker 1: kind of put their I guess, their priorities and other
Speaker 1: positions other than maybe the corners and the safeties. And
Speaker 1: with this being a different, different coaching staff, that may change,
Speaker 1: it may stay the same. We don't know. We won't
Speaker 1: know until April twenty third. However, with the moves that
Speaker 1: they've kind of been making throughout the course of this offseason,
Speaker 1: and this is going to kind of go back to
Speaker 1: what I was talking about with Dave and trying to
Speaker 1: get to poke at it with Helman just a minute ago.
Speaker 1: But I could see them now starting to kind of
Speaker 1: put the pieces around, make sure there's a safety net.
Speaker 1: So that way, if the best player available at seventeen
Speaker 1: is a wide receiver, either Ceedee Lamb, Jerry Judy, Henry Ruggs,
Speaker 1: Jalen Raker, doesn't matter any of those guys. It makes
Speaker 1: it possibility to where you're able to make a pick
Speaker 1: there at a wide receiver. What do you do with
Speaker 1: the best overall players and offensive tackle? Take them? That's
Speaker 1: a good question. No hesitation, No hesitation, Yeah, because when
Speaker 1: you look at Tyron Smith, like how many more years
Speaker 1: as Tyron Smith have at a high level with the
Speaker 1: injuries and the slow decline and play, If there's a
Speaker 1: top offensive tackle there, you can't go wrong. I think
Speaker 1: the Cowboys at a point where you can't go wrong.
Speaker 1: Just stockpolling talent and you take a talented offensive tackle
Speaker 1: and say he can't play the first year or whatever.
Speaker 1: They're ways that you can get them onto the field.
Speaker 1: Whether it's using six offensive line sets, whether it's finding
Speaker 1: a way to eat the movement inside or outside. There's
Speaker 1: a number of ways that you can take a blue
Speaker 1: chip telling get them on the field. I think there
Speaker 1: are plenty of blue chip opportunities throughout the entirety of
Speaker 1: the first round, and we'll address that more and more
Speaker 1: as we go along. And we've talked about pick seventeen
Speaker 1: at nauseum for god knows how long here on the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, but we're gonna come back. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we've got Twitter on the twenty, and then after Twitter
Speaker 1: on the twenty, we're going to talk about some of
Speaker 1: our favorite Day three prospects as we continue rolling arong.
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Speaker 1: who is one LSU guy that you would hate to
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Speaker 1: I want to know if one LSU guy out of
Speaker 1: the bunch, even some of the top names that you
Speaker 1: would not like to see the Cowboys draft. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: catching a lot of hell for driving the kay Levan
Speaker 1: chase On train because people think it's homerism on my part. Whatever. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I could think of a couple right off the bat.
Speaker 1: I'll be perfectly honest. I mean, okay, I'd be fine
Speaker 1: drafting any of them. It just depends on when. Personally,
Speaker 1: I don't really get the hype on Thaddeus Moss as
Speaker 1: not as a top one hundred pick, like I see
Speaker 1: people talk about him as like a third round like
Speaker 1: maybe even like a late second round pick. I don't
Speaker 1: see it. I think he's a good player. I'm not
Speaker 1: sure people would talk about him that way if he
Speaker 1: wasn't Randy's son. I'd be happy to draft him like
Speaker 1: sometime on Day three, but I would not want to
Speaker 1: draft him, you know, with the third round pick. That's
Speaker 1: way too high The same thing goes for Richard Lawrence.
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. I think he's really tenacious,
Speaker 1: and he sets the edge really well. He could be
Speaker 1: like a good utility defensive lineman. I would be disappointed
Speaker 1: picking him in the top one hundred picks. So those
Speaker 1: would be my two. I'd be happy to draft either
Speaker 1: of them on Day three, but those are not top
Speaker 1: one hundred type of guys in my opinion. Okay, So
Speaker 1: now that we've got the LSU question out of the way,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with Bucky here and Katie, I want
Speaker 1: to get your thought process on this too, because I
Speaker 1: know both of you have looked at this. But this
Speaker 1: one comes from our guy Jeremy or actually this comes
Speaker 1: from Michael, excuse me, And he says, who are the
Speaker 1: top kick returners in the draft this year who quick
Speaker 1: stab at special teams? Yeah? I mean like people, people
Speaker 1: like those guys. You know, it's unique because some of
Speaker 1: it is you're trying to project guys at the next
Speaker 1: level that could do it. But the guy that I
Speaker 1: would love to see in the return game would be
Speaker 1: Brandon Ayuk from areas of the State. I think the
Speaker 1: common denominator for the great returners. They have a level
Speaker 1: of physicality and toughness with the ball in their hands,
Speaker 1: and they also have some some special qualities that pop.
Speaker 1: We could throw Ceedee Lamb in that mix, but Brandon
Speaker 1: Nayuk to me is a guy that has special special traits.
Speaker 1: I think Jalen Rager would also be a fantastic kick returner,
Speaker 1: you know, just because the explosiveness with the ball in
Speaker 1: the hands. Typically those guys are the ones they really
Speaker 1: excel at the next level. No, I agree with those
Speaker 1: guys and another guy I want to throw out there
Speaker 1: and the Cowboys, Dude dropped a lot of boisy State
Speaker 1: guys as John high Tower. He could give them some
Speaker 1: return flexibility as well. So any more of a day
Speaker 1: three guy thinking John high Tower in this wide receiver class,
Speaker 1: But really a guy I like, a guy who's fun
Speaker 1: for a creative offense, could doc things but also returned
Speaker 1: kicks for you. Dave, You got anybody m thinking? I mean,
Speaker 1: we talk about them all the time, but I'd let
Speaker 1: Lynn Bowden Junior do just about anything like that guy
Speaker 1: can handle nineteen million different jobs. I'm trying to think, like,
Speaker 1: what year Isaiah McKenzie was the Georgia guy that came out.
Speaker 1: I don't have any like kick returns specialists in mind,
Speaker 1: but I'm also perfectly happy letting Tony Pollard do that
Speaker 1: in the future. So it's it's not something that I
Speaker 1: thought a lot about. Yeah, and I think I would
Speaker 1: like Pollard in that spot too. Some guys that I
Speaker 1: know we've talked about before because they were both Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl guys, but James Prochet out of SMU wide receiver
Speaker 1: who returned a couple of kicks during his time at SMU,
Speaker 1: And then I know some of the same have been
Speaker 1: mentioned in that category as well, like a Kyle Dugger
Speaker 1: from leonor Ryan. I know he's been in that conversation.
Speaker 1: He was returning kicks throughout the Senior Bowl week as well.
Speaker 1: So I think there's multiple opportunities and multiple players that
Speaker 1: can come out of the draft. I would like. Dave
Speaker 1: just said, I wouldn't necessarily tab them as specialist by
Speaker 1: any means coming out as return specialist, but I think
Speaker 1: they're gonna make an impact in special teams, and if not,
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard is going to be there. So I like
Speaker 1: that one overall. Okay, So we don't have Jeff Cavanaugh here,
Speaker 1: who is the king of the comp picks. But with
Speaker 1: everyone here, with the extra comp picks coming next year, third, fourth,
Speaker 1: and fifth rounds, how aggressive for Dallas have they been
Speaker 1: in free agency? And do you think Dallas trade some
Speaker 1: extra picks this year to help shure up some of
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and cornerback and safety positions out of
Speaker 1: next year's draft trade some of those extra picks. That's
Speaker 1: a great question. So okay, So I mean they, I
Speaker 1: mean they're they're obviously going to get compics for Byron
Speaker 1: Jones and Robert Quinn, Randall Cobb as well most likely.
Speaker 1: And they haven't made us signing that should affect that,
Speaker 1: have they because Poe and McCoy, well they might. They'll
Speaker 1: probably lose one for Gerald McCoy, won't they, But not
Speaker 1: Dantari probably and certainly Alvin Smith. Um, yeah, I can
Speaker 1: see that, but I don't see it being like a
Speaker 1: super aggressive situation, like you know, like a mega trade.
Speaker 1: If you think back to the the Xavier Woods trade
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago that made us so happy.
Speaker 1: I think they traded a future sixth or a future
Speaker 1: fifth to get up in the sixth round and get him.
Speaker 1: I think they made that trade with New York. I
Speaker 1: could see him doing something like that where they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we've got three or four picks coming next year, we
Speaker 1: can afford to make this deal. I could certainly see
Speaker 1: him doing something like that. I don't think it's gonna
Speaker 1: be some sort of blockbuster, but if there's a guy
Speaker 1: they like and they need to get up ten or
Speaker 1: fifteen spots to get him on day three, I can
Speaker 1: see him doing something like that. For the most part,
Speaker 1: they they're sitting and picking in the Will McClay, you know,
Speaker 1: Era for the most part, but we have something to do.
Speaker 1: A couple of times there was trade for a player,
Speaker 1: I mean the table on Austa trade trade to pick
Speaker 1: a player on another roster. I would just say, come
Speaker 1: at me with that question. After they signed your Dave
Speaker 1: Young Clowney, just kid, maybe not for having fun. Don't
Speaker 1: put that thought in the air. I mean, it would
Speaker 1: be great if they did it, but I just don't
Speaker 1: want to disappoint people. Bucky, what do you think about
Speaker 1: the possibility. Well, I think I think what you're doing
Speaker 1: with the compensatory picks, you're just trying to load up
Speaker 1: the ward chifts. So if there is a player or
Speaker 1: something that you want, you have capital, but you also
Speaker 1: see that a top executive is what they do is
Speaker 1: they always trying to accumulate multiple picks in the next
Speaker 1: year's draft to be able to come up around. We've
Speaker 1: seen the Buffalo Bills do that. We've seen other teams
Speaker 1: try to use that to kind of put sweetener own deals,
Speaker 1: and so it's always advantageous to have a number of
Speaker 1: confiscatory picks available. I don't know if you're necessarily thinking
Speaker 1: about next year and what could be in the wide
Speaker 1: receiving class or whatever next year, but I think for
Speaker 1: this year you just kind of like to have the
Speaker 1: ammunition just in case a talented player falls within range. Okay,
Speaker 1: this may be too insane. I'm sorry. I'm not trying
Speaker 1: to derail things. We could be quick here. Hypothetically this
Speaker 1: thing doesn't clear up and there's no football, what happens
Speaker 1: to the draft next year? I think you're thinking at
Speaker 1: all as a front office, you have to think about that, right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you necessarily think about that. I
Speaker 1: think you kind of prepare as if everything is going
Speaker 1: to proceed as is. I think you have your long
Speaker 1: term strategy where you're thinking about your team. You're looking
Speaker 1: at your team not only for this year, but the
Speaker 1: next few years, and you want to make decisions to
Speaker 1: ensure that you're able to compete at a high level
Speaker 1: for the next few years. And so as you're stockpiling picks,
Speaker 1: it's kind of one of these things where you want
Speaker 1: to retool and rebuild while you're still winning. And so
Speaker 1: if you can kind of forecast to hit to what
Speaker 1: the needs will be, you try and make picks and
Speaker 1: try and kind of stockpile picks for that. A lot
Speaker 1: of it will be determined. Like when you have your quarterback,
Speaker 1: and your quarterback is under wraps, it's kind of easier
Speaker 1: to figure out how to build the rest of your
Speaker 1: team around that because there shouldn't be hopefully any uncertainty
Speaker 1: around the quarterback. It should be easier for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to kind of build in spite of all the uncertainty
Speaker 1: that may go on with COVID nineteen and what may
Speaker 1: or may not happen with drafts. One I think and
Speaker 1: answer your question, Katie, could also come kind of what
Speaker 1: you see from other leagues. I mean, you look at
Speaker 1: right now major League Baseball is having to do a
Speaker 1: little bit of adjusting because the majority of their draft prospects,
Speaker 1: at least the ones coming out of college and even
Speaker 1: some of them out of high school, have been granted
Speaker 1: an extra year of eligibility, and so there's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little bit of a break and there's just not
Speaker 1: going to be as many prospects overall. And so the
Speaker 1: MLB Draft over the next couple of or at least
Speaker 1: next year or this summer, I guess is when it
Speaker 1: would be. This June is usually when they'll have it.
Speaker 1: If it even stays the same. Instead of having forty rounds,
Speaker 1: they're going to five rounds, and it's condensing quite a bit.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that would even end up
Speaker 1: happening for the NFL Draft, But like you said, Bucky,
Speaker 1: I know as a team you have to go like
Speaker 1: normal moving forward. Should things kind of change, then you
Speaker 1: go and adjust. But that's definitely a great question overall, Katie,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I don't know of a whole
Speaker 1: lot of front offices, or at least a whole lot
Speaker 1: of media as even thought about that kind of possibility
Speaker 1: just yet. Now moving on to our next question, and
Speaker 1: this one comes from Jeremy on Twitter. Are there are
Speaker 1: any players in the draft that you have taken completely
Speaker 1: off of your boards, whether it be because of medical
Speaker 1: or otherwise. Also, actually, we'll answer the second question first.
Speaker 1: Let's start with that first question because he kind of
Speaker 1: shifts gears a little bit. But any players that have
Speaker 1: fallen off of your board just yet because of character
Speaker 1: or injury anything, I would say no, there are players
Speaker 1: who aren't on my board because I didn't have a
Speaker 1: you know, I gave them a PFA grade, but I
Speaker 1: don't I haven't taken anyone off of my board for
Speaker 1: character issues or anything anything like that, or injuries or anything.
Speaker 1: You know. The tough thing right now is because of
Speaker 1: the flux of the combine, the lack of combine medical
Speaker 1: rechecks and then the pro days, it's been a slow
Speaker 1: trickling and information and so teams will go up to
Speaker 1: the last minute before they get all the character background
Speaker 1: stuff on the players, and so we won't find that
Speaker 1: about some of those things. But there's a really good
Speaker 1: player who has an injury history who may not be
Speaker 1: on a lot of boards, and that is Nitin Muti
Speaker 1: from Prisonal State, the offensive Guard. He is a guy
Speaker 1: that on tape when you see him, Look, he's dominating
Speaker 1: at the point of attack. But because he's had a
Speaker 1: series of injuries, there are a lot of teams that
Speaker 1: are going to completely kind of back away from him.
Speaker 1: And with all of the uncertainty this year, a player
Speaker 1: like that who normally a team with Thord dart App,
Speaker 1: I don't know where he falls in this year's draft
Speaker 1: because people won't be able to really dig in hard
Speaker 1: on the medical without all the additional time and stuff
Speaker 1: that you normally would have. This feels like, I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously it's a weird year every I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: need to explain that, but I can't remember a year
Speaker 1: where there was so little information, you know, hover in
Speaker 1: the air about players. You know, it's it's around this time,
Speaker 1: you know, word starts trickling out. Obviously, you know the
Speaker 1: Maurice Hearst was the big one that happened at the Combine.
Speaker 1: But this is the time of year where you know,
Speaker 1: you start to hear that so and so it's got
Speaker 1: a knee issue or there's a cartilage problem. And I wonder,
Speaker 1: you know, without without teams seeing these guys in the flesh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if that's slowed down that trickle of information.
Speaker 1: It's honestly probably great for agents because they try to
Speaker 1: hide that stuff anyway, And you know, it's just another
Speaker 1: wrinkle that makes this draft so unique and interesting compared
Speaker 1: to other ones. Well, I think that kind of transitions
Speaker 1: into the second part of Jeremy's question. He said, is
Speaker 1: there any way to see who these teams are calling
Speaker 1: with those skypes? With those zoom and I guess WebEx
Speaker 1: meetings that you're you're ending up having to go to
Speaker 1: for meeting these players because normally we're getting the thirty
Speaker 1: visits by now, and that would have already been at
Speaker 1: our forefront exactly who the Cowboys or insert team name
Speaker 1: here would be looking at with their thirty visits, we
Speaker 1: would have had Dallas day already or at least getting
Speaker 1: up to Dallas days. So there's plenty of question marks
Speaker 1: around it. But is there any way that this information
Speaker 1: is going to get released? At some point? I just
Speaker 1: follow that Dave Helmet's Twitter account and wait on him
Speaker 1: to tweet it out. Oh yeah, yeah, that's that's exactly
Speaker 1: what you should do, because you know that won't get
Speaker 1: me in trouble at all. And fucky, I feel like
Speaker 1: you might have an answer to this. Yeah. So the
Speaker 1: thing is like the league has put some stipulations on
Speaker 1: the amount of times like guys can kind of FaceTime
Speaker 1: and do those things because you have to log it
Speaker 1: and get it all the way in because the league
Speaker 1: being the league, executives would be running prospects hard. But
Speaker 1: weep again, excuse me to hear about some of the
Speaker 1: top prospects being on FaceTime having these skype interviews with teams,
Speaker 1: And I think that is going to be the big way,
Speaker 1: the way of the world as we go forward, because
Speaker 1: regardless of whatever is happening and what's preventing teams from
Speaker 1: getting face to face with people, you still have to
Speaker 1: try and get to know the prospects. And as much
Speaker 1: as we want to think about it being a little
Speaker 1: more conservative this year in terms of teams not gambling,
Speaker 1: they're still going to be some teams to take some
Speaker 1: chances based on a couple of conversations that they may
Speaker 1: have with a prospect and the conversations that they may
Speaker 1: have with that person's representation. You could see those guys
Speaker 1: have more sway than normal because you just won't have
Speaker 1: the opportunity to get them in your room and sit
Speaker 1: acrossing them and have those eyeball to eyeball conversations. There's
Speaker 1: I mean, with all of the question marks up in
Speaker 1: the air with how this draft is going to be
Speaker 1: kind of even conducted from a team standpoint, I mean,
Speaker 1: right now, facilities are still closed around the NFL. There's
Speaker 1: a reason we're not up at the Star right now.
Speaker 1: It's because we're not allowed in the building because the
Speaker 1: NFL has said so, and for the safety of everybody involved,
Speaker 1: no doubt about it. But it does still present kind
Speaker 1: of an issue whenever it comes to communication and some
Speaker 1: of the information that's flying around. One final question here
Speaker 1: on Twitter on the twenty, and this comes from Dylan
Speaker 1: on Twitter. He sent a message he said, can we
Speaker 1: get a deeper conversation about all of the corners that
Speaker 1: could go between seventeen and fifty one? Get some perspective
Speaker 1: on which to be happy with if the Cowboys do
Speaker 1: in fact go four cornerback in the first round at seventeen,
Speaker 1: so kind of exactly where those corners lie right in
Speaker 1: the middle of that jumbled massive corners between seventeen and
Speaker 1: fifty one. That's like gets fun. That's a Brian broad
Speaker 1: as special right there is, like I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think it's the epitome of ice cream flavors, Like
Speaker 1: what do you like? I think everybody would agree Kuda
Speaker 1: is in the class by himself. I think most people
Speaker 1: agree that Henderson is in a class by himself as
Speaker 1: the second guy. And then honestly, take a look and
Speaker 1: take your pick. I mean, Jeff Gladney, Christian Fulton. M
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I'm having a break. I've seen Diggs. People
Speaker 1: have him as high as like a top twenty five prospect,
Speaker 1: and other people have him as low as you know,
Speaker 1: a guy the Cowboys could pick at fifty one. Same
Speaker 1: thing for Christian Fulton, honestly, and I think that's interesting
Speaker 1: because I think Diggs is such a freak athletically. I
Speaker 1: think it intrigues people, whereas like, I'm a little higher
Speaker 1: on Fulton's technique, but he doesn't have the freakish measurables. Um,
Speaker 1: and then you can get into the ig monogamy, you
Speaker 1: can get into cam Danceler Like, I don't have a
Speaker 1: great answer for you. I think it's just all about
Speaker 1: personal preference, based on your scheme and what you look
Speaker 1: for in a cornerback. I think they would take Trevon
Speaker 1: Diggs if Chase on CJ. Henderson ken Law dried out.
Speaker 1: I think they would think they would. I think they would.
Speaker 1: I think they try to go back, but I think
Speaker 1: they would take Actually I'm saying is I think they
Speaker 1: would take Digs over Fulton. Um. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: what they think about Gladne. I actually I've gotten Glade
Speaker 1: is my second cornerback. I like Gladney more than Henderson
Speaker 1: by it just a little okay, But you know, you know,
Speaker 1: my my guy that I think deserves to start getting
Speaker 1: some third round talk. Maybe I know that that's outside
Speaker 1: the question of seventeen to fifty one, my guy, Reggie Robinson.
Speaker 1: Are people sleeping on my guy here? I think they are,
Speaker 1: I really do. He might sneak into the back of
Speaker 1: the second round too, you know, in a second round.
Speaker 1: The thing about the cornerback class, you guys mentioned it
Speaker 1: being kind of like flavors of ice cream. It kind
Speaker 1: of depends on specified role. And I think outside of
Speaker 1: a Kuda, and I don't think a Couta has probably
Speaker 1: gotten enough at tension in respect in turn being like
Speaker 1: a top blue chip player because he's not a flashy athlete,
Speaker 1: but he's just a really good player, kind of like
Speaker 1: Stefan Gilmour was. C J. Henderson. When I talk to people,
Speaker 1: people like the athleticism. There's been some questions about his
Speaker 1: lack of engagement when it came to tackling, but then
Speaker 1: there was an injury that will probably surface to say
Speaker 1: that he kind of played it, played it close, played
Speaker 1: it close to the vest down in the end of
Speaker 1: the year. I think when you get below that, when
Speaker 1: you talk about Trayvon Diggs, AJ Terrell, Christian foot Fulton,
Speaker 1: there are people that are thrown Jalen Johnson from Utah
Speaker 1: in that conversation, Jeff Gladney from TCU. All of those
Speaker 1: guys can play on the outside, and I think as
Speaker 1: the league is trending, you want guys who can be
Speaker 1: tough guys, guys who can tackle, guys that get people
Speaker 1: down because you can no longer hide the cover corner.
Speaker 1: Cameron Danzler was someone that was getting a lot of
Speaker 1: attention prior to going at the combine. He ran slow,
Speaker 1: but I still doesn't think I don't think that takes
Speaker 1: away from him being a really good player. And then
Speaker 1: when you go to what I would call it the specialist,
Speaker 1: the Darnay Holmes that are guys that are ideally suited
Speaker 1: to play nickel. I meet Robertson, who is a guy
Speaker 1: who is a ball hawk, who's tough enough to play
Speaker 1: on the edge. I really believe that depending on how
Speaker 1: you value cornerbacks and what you're looking for from a
Speaker 1: scheme standpoint, there are plenty of cornerback that you can
Speaker 1: pick from seventeen to fifty fifty one and be very,
Speaker 1: very satisfied that those guys are gonna come in and start. So,
Speaker 1: if you had to give a ballpark number really quickly
Speaker 1: from all three of you guys, would it be five? Ten?
Speaker 1: Maybe corners that could be potentially taken in that realm?
Speaker 1: Three four, five sounds about right. I'm gonna I would
Speaker 1: split the difference and say like eight maybe. Yeah, let
Speaker 1: me see how teams feel about Damon Arnett and say yes,
Speaker 1: I think actually monogamy from Auburn gotta throw him in
Speaker 1: the mix. So it tends a pretty good ballpark number.
Speaker 1: I think it's a good answer for the question you
Speaker 1: asked a minute ago about taking guys off your board.
Speaker 1: I think that's a guy only teams are going to
Speaker 1: know how they feel about him in his background, and
Speaker 1: I mean, I like, again, we're hearing less than I
Speaker 1: think we typically do. But I think that's going to
Speaker 1: be a case by case thing for sure. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think that's interesting what you guys bring up, Like I
Speaker 1: think Tippio, on average, in the first two rounds, you're
Speaker 1: dealing with about thirteen to fourteen corners that come off
Speaker 1: the board this year. What is appealing about the cornerback
Speaker 1: class a lot of six footers. It's hard to find
Speaker 1: six foot cornerbacks in the league, and so this year
Speaker 1: all the top guys that we talk about are all
Speaker 1: around a six ft or taller more and that gives
Speaker 1: them a chance to kind of match up with the
Speaker 1: big bodies that we've seen dominate at wide receivers. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intrigue on that and a lot
Speaker 1: of these guys will come up in tackle. And I
Speaker 1: think AJ Turrell is a guy that we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about him maybe enough terms of being one of those
Speaker 1: guys that can sneak in. But when I talk to people,
Speaker 1: his versatility being a play outside and inside, his toughness,
Speaker 1: his ability to blitz kind of serves him well to
Speaker 1: being a guy in the first round that kind of
Speaker 1: pops up and maybe goes a little high to many
Speaker 1: of us things. I like it a lot. There are
Speaker 1: a lot of corners out there that could be in
Speaker 1: that realm. And thanks to everyone who is sent in
Speaker 1: their twitter on the twenty questions. We'll bring that back
Speaker 1: next week as well. But we're gonna step aside when
Speaker 1: we come back. We've got some Day three prospects and
Speaker 1: we're gonna give you that intrigue all of us a
Speaker 1: little bit. As we're three weeks out from the draft.
Speaker 1: We've got three third round or third day prospects coming
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Speaker 1: So we've got some Day three value picks that we've
Speaker 1: all kind of written down. We have three players each. Katie,
Speaker 1: We're gonna start with you just because I like your
Speaker 1: guys a lot overall, and kind of give me three
Speaker 1: Day three value picks. This doesn't necessarily have to be
Speaker 1: four the Dallas Cowboys, but it just so happens that
Speaker 1: it ends up being in a lot of the positions
Speaker 1: of need. Well, yeah, and I'll start with the guy
Speaker 1: who you guys know how pretty responsible with my draft picks,
Speaker 1: and I think about the salary cap a lot. There's off.
Speaker 1: It's a tackle from South Carolina State, Alex Taylor, who
Speaker 1: I really like on Day three. He's so raw. He's
Speaker 1: got eighty eight in charms. He's six eight, but he
Speaker 1: doesn't move like it because he's only three hundred ten pounds,
Speaker 1: Like you expect him to be like three hundred and
Speaker 1: forty pounds. He's not. He's gonna need development, but let's
Speaker 1: get him in the system on day three and maybe
Speaker 1: he's your future Tyrant Smith's replacement down the road if
Speaker 1: you trust the development of your players. I really like
Speaker 1: Alex Taylor from South Carolina State. Travis Gibson, edge rusher
Speaker 1: from Tulsa. You know I would like about him. He's
Speaker 1: got a little good jolt off the line of scrimmat.
Speaker 1: You'll pop the guy back a little bit. I don't
Speaker 1: know how bendy. He is sixty three two fifty, but
Speaker 1: last year had eight sacks at Tulsa, and I think
Speaker 1: he does a good job, you know, playing with his
Speaker 1: long arms getting off blocks. I think he could be
Speaker 1: a really solid Day three value pick. And then it's
Speaker 1: kind of my poor man's like Taylor, rat guy is
Speaker 1: Jaylen Elliott, the safety from Notre Dame on Day three,
Speaker 1: he ran a four eight zero at the Combine, so
Speaker 1: I realized the red flags are up. But I just
Speaker 1: like his demeanor. I think he's solid. I don't think
Speaker 1: people talked about him enough at the Senior Bowl. I
Speaker 1: think he had a good week there. Everyone was really
Speaker 1: talking about Troy Pride, but I thought Jaylen Elliot had
Speaker 1: an excellent week at the Senior Bowl. And those are
Speaker 1: three guys I really like on Day three who kind
Speaker 1: of fits some needs for the Cowboys. I like Jaylen
Speaker 1: Elliot a lot. You talked about how he made some
Speaker 1: noise at the Senior Bowl. I thought he had a
Speaker 1: better week than Troy Pride Junior because I went in
Speaker 1: looking at Troy Pride and I'm thinking he was going
Speaker 1: to show out in the Chrome Dome, but instead it
Speaker 1: was it was Jaylen Elliott. Dave who you got as
Speaker 1: some Day three guys? All Right, I want to talk
Speaker 1: about this guy because I'm I'm fascinated and Katie's talking
Speaker 1: about being responsible. I'm I'm looking for value, like it's
Speaker 1: Day three. Is there a guy out there who's better
Speaker 1: than that? Who I can find and the name that
Speaker 1: I absolutely love, But there's there's some uncertainty there, which
Speaker 1: makes it intriguing. Is Julian Blackman out of Utah, the safety.
Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with his body of work. Three
Speaker 1: time All Conference three years in college, he's All Conference,
Speaker 1: played cornerback for two, switches to safety his final season,
Speaker 1: and the guy's All America four interceptions. Had a fantastic season,
Speaker 1: suffers a non contact injury in the Pac twelve title
Speaker 1: game and misses the ball game. He's still rehabilitating. I
Speaker 1: have not been able to find information on this anywhere,
Speaker 1: Like there's not a lot of information about what it is,
Speaker 1: what happened to him. I've talked to people who don't
Speaker 1: have a lot of information, don't know where his health
Speaker 1: is at, don't know how long it's going to take
Speaker 1: him to recover, which is why he's a Day three pick.
Speaker 1: Like if he's perfectly healthy, we're talking about this guy
Speaker 1: in the second round. I think because you go watch
Speaker 1: his tape, Utah throws him back there. Like he plays
Speaker 1: a lot of single high plays, a lot of deep
Speaker 1: free safety. He's got great instincts, he's a willing tackler,
Speaker 1: and like I said, he had four picks good ball skills,
Speaker 1: Like I would draft this guy in the second round
Speaker 1: if I wasn't worried about his health, and so my
Speaker 1: teams have got to get to the bottom of that.
Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder how far he's going to fall.
Speaker 1: And if you can draft him on Day three, even
Speaker 1: if he's not like one hundred percent ready his rookie season,
Speaker 1: I think that's still probably a good get. So I
Speaker 1: love that thought. Another guy I threw up there is
Speaker 1: Darryl Williams, the center out of Mississippi State. Talk about
Speaker 1: losing Travis Frederick, I don't want to draft a replacement
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds, but Williams played guard and
Speaker 1: center at Mississippi State. Like he's certainly not like an
Speaker 1: elite level center, but I like his flexibility. And again,
Speaker 1: if you're talking about like a sixth round pick, a
Speaker 1: guy who can play guard and center. Love that we're
Speaker 1: familiar with. My third guy, Kendall Willdoor from the Senior Bowl,
Speaker 1: had a great week down there in Mobile. I wanted
Speaker 1: to give him some shine because we talk about Dan
Speaker 1: Jackson all the time. Like, Dane Jackson is definitely one
Speaker 1: of my pet cats in this draft, but I like
Speaker 1: Villdoor two had a great Senior Bowl Week, had a
Speaker 1: fantastic showing at the Combine, ran a four four four.
Speaker 1: So again, if you're talking about doubling up at cornerback,
Speaker 1: that's another guy that if you want to draft the
Speaker 1: Monday three to go with a Day one or day
Speaker 1: from cornerback. I absolutely love that. All right, let's hear
Speaker 1: about Bucky's boys. Well, you guys mentioned you're talking about
Speaker 1: having a pet cat. My pet cat is from Kentucky.
Speaker 1: Is is Lynn Bolden. And yeah, I don't expect him.
Speaker 1: I don't expect him to be the day fourth. But
Speaker 1: but there's so many wide receivers that he could fall
Speaker 1: to Day three and be a fourth round pick. But
Speaker 1: when you talk about an at an athlete, he is
Speaker 1: a Swiss Army knife that every offense could benefit from.
Speaker 1: And in fact, Dallas just had Randall Cobb. I think
Speaker 1: he's Randall Cob. Plus he's more accomplishing what Randall Cobb
Speaker 1: was at Kentucky in terms of running to football and
Speaker 1: being able to do a lot of things. He hasn't
Speaker 1: been talked about to the level that he should. He
Speaker 1: is a really really good player. He's kind of that
Speaker 1: Julian Edelman Hanes Ward do everything playmaker. He is someone
Speaker 1: that should go, but if you like, if he's too
Speaker 1: highly regarded, then Isaiah Coulter from Rhode Allan as someone
Speaker 1: that I like. Smooth route runner, does a great job
Speaker 1: of catching the ball, wins to fifty fifty, showed up, ranwell,
Speaker 1: ran faster than most people anticipated. He has a chance
Speaker 1: had running back. Maryland had a running back Anthony McFarlane.
Speaker 1: Because Tony Pollard had so much success, their teams are
Speaker 1: looking to find that guy. Anthony McFarlane could be that guy.
Speaker 1: A bit of a pocket rocket, super explosive, but when
Speaker 1: you go back and look two years ago against Ohio State,
Speaker 1: he had two hundred yards on the ground. He is
Speaker 1: someone that can pick up steam. And then my final
Speaker 1: guy because I got a bonus pick Evan Weaver for
Speaker 1: cal There are a lot of people that don't necessarily
Speaker 1: talk about the guy that looks like buzz Lightyear, but
Speaker 1: when you look at the production, four hundred plus tackles
Speaker 1: during his career at Kal ran four seven to six
Speaker 1: at the Combine, which quieted a lot of critics. Smart, tough, physical,
Speaker 1: typically plays for a while in our league. He is
Speaker 1: someone that is undervalued but could play for a long time.
Speaker 1: I like it. I like it, and I mean, going
Speaker 1: back to your first guy, I think Lynn Boden Junior
Speaker 1: is one of the greatest value picks you could even
Speaker 1: have in this kind of draft. And that just kind
Speaker 1: of goes to the depth of wide receiver because I think,
Speaker 1: like you said, there's so many wide receivers in front
Speaker 1: of him, he's gonna fall back a little bit. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be right back in that fourth round conversation, maybe
Speaker 1: into the third. I think he should go in the third.
Speaker 1: But if he's there in the fourth, I don't see
Speaker 1: why not. Somebody's gonna take a chance on him. Okay,
Speaker 1: so my three guys really quickly, Ope, go for Bucky.
Speaker 1: No real quick, Kyle. I'm sorry, Kyle, real Bucky. If
Speaker 1: in your expert opinion, where do you think that you
Speaker 1: would have to draft Lynn bow and you said you
Speaker 1: kind of doubt he falls to the fourth Like is
Speaker 1: that realistic? You know, I don't know, because there's so many,
Speaker 1: Like just think about the number of wide receivers at
Speaker 1: the day. I would think third round is a good
Speaker 1: spot for him because he brings so many things. But
Speaker 1: we've seen stranger things happen in the draft. Who knows
Speaker 1: where he falls? All right, Sorry, I've seen stranger things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're good, but just real quickly. My three guys. I've
Speaker 1: got McTelvin they call him oh Man. What was his name?
Speaker 1: I forgot Sosa, they call him Sosa. A gem from Arkansas,
Speaker 1: a guy who was a top ten rated defensive tackle
Speaker 1: according to Pro Football Focus. A little bit small on
Speaker 1: the lower half is what I have in his countering report,
Speaker 1: but he's a good pass rusher. He projects as a
Speaker 1: three technique, but I think he could play the one.
Speaker 1: I think he ended up playing nose tackle for about
Speaker 1: twenty percent of his snaps while at Arkansas, dominated the
Speaker 1: Shrine Game, was a late addition to the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: and actually performed well on both ends. And a guy
Speaker 1: who went up against SEC talent throughout his career with
Speaker 1: the Razorbacks. He's somebody that I think could be a
Speaker 1: value and I think will be there Day three. And
Speaker 1: somebody who's gonna need a heavy pass rusher up the
Speaker 1: middle or a quick maybe more of a finesse pass
Speaker 1: rusher than a heavy one, just because I think he's
Speaker 1: got a couple of moves that are in a vast
Speaker 1: arsenal moves that could potentially go in his favor. Another guy,
Speaker 1: let's go to the safety position. This is a guy
Speaker 1: that Dame Brugler mentioned at the combine, but this is
Speaker 1: Kenny Robinson out of the XFL, the Saint Louis BattleHawks,
Speaker 1: And this is a guy who you look at the
Speaker 1: kind of situation around the XFL initially and it was
Speaker 1: going right up until the draft. Now, with COVID nineteen
Speaker 1: throwing a wrench into that season and into the entire process,
Speaker 1: he'll potentially be picked up without a chance to finish
Speaker 1: off his XFL season, which could potentially push him down
Speaker 1: some draft boards. But I like him a lot. He's
Speaker 1: a good cover safety, He's a ballhawk overall. Could come
Speaker 1: up and play slot corner, could go and play a
Speaker 1: little bit of box safety, but he's more of a
Speaker 1: free and I think he's a guy who shows some
Speaker 1: versatility of that position than my last guy. Should kill
Speaker 1: quarterman from Miami, And this is kind of one of
Speaker 1: those very niche oriented prospects. If you're gonna blitz a
Speaker 1: lot of your linebackers and you're gonna find a way
Speaker 1: to rush with your edge linebacker, that's kind of the
Speaker 1: fit that he's gonna fill. If he's going back in coverage,
Speaker 1: he's a liability. That's why he's gonna fall to Day three.
Speaker 1: But he's got a lot of tools. He's got a
Speaker 1: potential to really kind of show some niche talent there
Speaker 1: overall as a as an edge rusher. But I like
Speaker 1: what he has in store, and I think if you
Speaker 1: put him in a three four and let him try
Speaker 1: and rush a quarterback, I think he's potentially going to
Speaker 1: be a guy who could present some value. But those
Speaker 1: are my three guys overall. I like that there's a
Speaker 1: lot of Day three guys that kind of get me
Speaker 1: excited about it. Hell yeah, I mean, dude, that's what's
Speaker 1: That's where it gets real fun. Is like when you're
Speaker 1: trying to pick out Oh we're talking seventeen, we'll talk
Speaker 1: fifty one. No, who are they gonna take it one
Speaker 1: seventy eight? That's what I want to know. That's where
Speaker 1: it gets really fun. That is where it gets fun.
Speaker 1: And we'll have all that coverage for you throughout the
Speaker 1: entire draft process, but that is going to do it.
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