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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Anny and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I'm welcome to stuff I've never told your production by

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Speaker 2: Heart Radio, and welcome to a very special classic today

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Speaker 2: if you're listening to which when it comes out is

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Speaker 2: May the Fourth Star Wars Day.

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Speaker 3: May the Fourth be with you.

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Speaker 2: Also there's Revenge of the Fifth and or six, depending

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Speaker 2: on who you ask. But to that end, I wanted

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Speaker 2: to bring back a classic episode we did on the

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Speaker 2: Star Wars prequels, which, funnily enough, I think I would

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Speaker 2: have a lot more to say about.

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Speaker 3: Them if we did them now.

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Speaker 2: Of course you would, of course I think I was like,

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Speaker 2: my viewpoints have changed on something. Yeah, the twenty fifth

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Speaker 2: anniversary of The Phantom Menace is this month. Since this year,

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Speaker 2: it's happening now because it's playing in theaters. And if

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Speaker 2: you listen to my recent Happy Hour wherein I talk

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Speaker 2: about some of my new Star Wars thoughts, I've talked

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Speaker 2: about this theory about Padme, who was very key in

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Speaker 2: the prequels, and it was a theory about why Darth

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Speaker 2: Vader never since Luke and Lea. I wanted to bring

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Speaker 2: one key point I forgot to bring up in that

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Speaker 2: about this I've talked about this before in my episode

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Speaker 2: my Happy Hour called My fan Fiction is Better Than Yours.

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Speaker 2: Star Wars has this whole fascinating thing that is very

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Speaker 2: prevalent in it, which is called wat Sonyan versus Doulian.

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Speaker 2: This is essentially kind of are we explaining it because

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Speaker 2: of outside forces or something inside story wise, or like

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Speaker 2: So that being said, I've had some interesting disagreements with

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Speaker 2: So that's a very like lot Sony and versus Douleian.

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Speaker 2: And then we're trying to explain it, or even the

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Speaker 2: creators are trying to explain it much later with this

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Speaker 2: very cool theory, which they might have done on purpose

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Speaker 2: So just a note on that. Okay, yes, but anyway,

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Speaker 2: I hope that you enjoy the holiday, if you celebrate.

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Speaker 4: And please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is any

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Speaker 4: and Samantha, and.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to stuff on. I told your production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: So today I wanted to ask you, Samantha. I'd I'd

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Speaker 2: be very interested to know the answer to this question.

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Speaker 2: Has there ever been something that you really loved as

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Speaker 2: or ashamed of loving it, and then as you got older,

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Speaker 2: maybe you didn't come back to it, but you gave

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm trying to think of things that

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Speaker 1: I want to acclimate so badly. I know I loved

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Speaker 1: I do. I will say I did really love Twilight

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Speaker 2: That's a good example, because I do feel like a

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Speaker 2: But then in this context of like my brothers making

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Speaker 3: But this is.

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Speaker 2: Especially pertinent to the conversation having today, which is about

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Speaker 2: to give a quick shout out to Jamie. Hello, Jamie,

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Speaker 2: Hello for sending is amazing care Kitka.

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Speaker 2: Those with Sabbie things were the bomb, yes, yeah, and

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Speaker 2: also to Don who made these amazing what I'd never heard.

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Speaker 3: Either case. So I also want to put in here

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Speaker 2: We do a lot of you listeners have sent in

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Speaker 2: suggestions for feminist movie Friday, and thank you so much

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Speaker 3: I swear we're gonna get so I am sorry.

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Speaker 2: I guess that today we are starting off a three

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Speaker 3: Can't forget Revenge of the Fifth.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that the timing will work out because

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Speaker 3: We'll just have to decide.

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Speaker 3: Well. I have faith in us. I think we can

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Speaker 2: So these are going to be a bit different in

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Speaker 3: And this was Samantha's idea. I swear. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Yes, and I did watch all of those guys. I

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Speaker 3: Oh, my friends and I was thinking about this other day.

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Speaker 2: And I didn't include this for you specifically, Samantha, because

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Speaker 2: negotiator and speaker, quick on her feet, and competent in

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Speaker 2: combat situations. She aligned herself with senators Orghana and mon Mathma,

439
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,119
Speaker 2: who influenced her politics and would later go on to

440
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: be leaders of the Rebel Alliance, and Belle would go

441
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Speaker 2: on to raise her daughter Leah.

442
00:22:19,320 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 3: So again, like, imagine as.

443
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,520
Speaker 2: You were seeing these, if you knew the original childre well,

444
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,000
Speaker 2: you were seeing like, oh, it's that person, it's that person.

445
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 3: So I can totally understand. People are listening like, well,

446
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 3: what are you talking about?

447
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 2: But Mam Mathma and beil r Ghana are kind of

448
00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: these big figureheads of the rebellion, and even if it's

449
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,439
Speaker 2: not happening at that time, you know kind of what

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: they're going to become. Padme had her her fair share

451
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: of enemies, and an assassination attempt forces her to go

452
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Speaker 2: into hiding with none other than Jedi Anakin Skywalker, who

453
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,760
Speaker 2: at this point he's nineteen and she's twenty four, so

454
00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:57,879
Speaker 2: we're a little older. They fall in love, but the

455
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:01,840
Speaker 2: Jedi code forbids possession and detachment.

456
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:04,880
Speaker 3: Oh, don't get me started on the Jedi code.

457
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Speaker 2: After a coliseum battle and which Padme resourcefully picks a lot,

458
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,240
Speaker 2: but then has one of the silliest tearing of costumes

459
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: that results in like this perfect crop top that I've

460
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: ever seen. She and Anakin secretly marry, a marriage that

461
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: later has galactic repercussions. Because of her involvement in politics

462
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 2: from a young age, she doesn't get to live outside

463
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Speaker 2: of that structure that much, and she longs for freedom,

464
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: something of our own. You do see that in the

465
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Speaker 2: comics and the books, and that's one of the reasons

466
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Speaker 2: for the secret marriage, is she wanted something of her own.

467
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Speaker 3: Also, she was quite young and.

468
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Speaker 1: In love, yeah, very young. Due to their responsibilities during

469
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Speaker 1: the Clone Wars. Then I've been just told that it

470
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Speaker 1: is not the movie or the anime series, but a

471
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Speaker 1: time period.

472
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Speaker 2: It's what happens, it is all of us.

473
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Speaker 1: So I'm trying to get myself bearings. Anakin and Padme

474
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 1: did not get much time together, as we saw, and

475
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Speaker 1: we see the flaws and their relationships, lots of secrets

476
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: and the strain again of keeping a secret. I feel

477
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:09,320
Speaker 1: like that's just a cautionary tale for all the movies.

478
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Speaker 1: Padme's first priorities are her ideals and democracy. The changes

479
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Speaker 1: when she finds out she is pregnant, something that will

480
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: make hiding her relationship with Anakin even more difficult. Surprise, surprise, well,

481
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: she does wear the really big goaln she does. However,

482
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: both are thrilled at the news babies. Soon after the revelation,

483
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,280
Speaker 1: Anakin begins having visions of Padme and their child's death,

484
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Speaker 1: something he is desperate to prevent. He learns that Palpatine

485
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Speaker 1: is a sixth Lord, and he promises that by using

486
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Speaker 1: the Dark Side he'll be able to save his wife

487
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Speaker 1: and their baby.

488
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Speaker 3: Lies.

489
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Speaker 1: He succumbs to the dark Side and ignores Padma's pleas

490
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Speaker 1: for him to come back, strengthening her into unconsciousness. At

491
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Speaker 1: a secret medical center, weird medical center, she gives birth

492
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Speaker 1: to Luke and Leah, surprise twins. She dies of heartbreak,

493
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Speaker 1: which I still find hard to believe, or perhaps more

494
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Speaker 1: likely Palpatine killed her, proclaiming with her dying breath that

495
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Speaker 1: she knows they're still good. In Anakin, who by now

496
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Speaker 1: has assumed his identity as Darth Vader, we get to

497
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: see that whole big scene, believing his wife and child

498
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 1: to be dead at his hands, which is still I'm

499
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: still trying to figure that one out. The Republic she

500
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: fought so hard for is destroyed and replaced by the Empire,

501
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 1: with her husband functioning as its enforcer. In the wake

502
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Speaker 1: of her death, Patme becomes a symbol of democracy and

503
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,679
Speaker 1: later the rebellion itself. Her children went on to play

504
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: a major role in dismantling the Empire as we know

505
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: and restoring democracy and in the end the redemption of

506
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Speaker 1: Anakin Skywalker.

507
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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, this is some of those things sometimes when

508
00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: I and I know I've talked to you about this

509
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 2: before with like the Last of Us, Samantha.

510
00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 3: Sometimes when you just write.

511
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Speaker 2: Out a plot and you take away all the clunky

512
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Speaker 2: dialogue and just get to the bare bones.

513
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Speaker 3: What the story is not the case the Lastibah has

514
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 3: been in this. It's so sad. That's a sad tale.

515
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 3: And we're gonna we're gonna get.

516
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Speaker 2: Into some of these these sad elements and feminist elements,

517
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519
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: since it is a big part of this. I didn't

520
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Speaker 2: want to ask, do you think you could do a

521
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 2: secret marriage?

522
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Speaker 1: Samantha funny story. I have a friend who got married,

523
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: never told her parents. It's not necessarily a secret to

524
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: anybody else who is close to them, but her parents

525
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: still think she's not married, and she's been able to

526
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Speaker 1: pull it off. And I'm still baffled by this. Wow, Personally,

527
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Speaker 1: I don't know if because I just don't care about

528
00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 1: marriage for me personally, so I don't know if I

529
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,080
Speaker 1: would care enough to try secret marriage. That just seems

530
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 1: like extract right. And I say this in today's society

531
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Speaker 1: where it's okay to be together and just to be

532
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 1: in a partnership, and I enjoy that, so kind of like, well,

533
00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: why would I go to the trouble of having a

534
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 1: marriage if I'm keeping it a secret, if I don't

535
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: care to be married, So why so I don't know,

536
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Speaker 1: would you? Uh?

537
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 3: I mean I similarly, I don't really want to get it.

538
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,160
Speaker 2: But if I was in a situation where I did,

539
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: I can see how the strains of it, and especially

540
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 2: not being able to communicate those like strains with other

541
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 2: people are in front of other people, wouldn't make it

542
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: very difficult and resentment could build or just like not

543
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:41,560
Speaker 2: because you're not communicating honestly with other people. So I

544
00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: can see how that would really mess up your communication

545
00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 2: in that relationship, and you wouldn't ever quite be sure.

546
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously, if you had a healthy relationship, you

547
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 2: would be secure and like, Okay, this is fine. But

548
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: I think the very fact of key being in a

549
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: secret feels like it's not fine in some.

550
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 1: Way, right, I think my friend who isn't and this

551
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 1: is a completely different tone. It's not necessarily she's trying

552
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: to keep it a secret. It's just she's just not

553
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: telling everyone. Sure it doesn't care too in the story.

554
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And this is obviously like a intergalactic space

555
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 2: war situation where they're both in they have responsibilities to

556
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: a larger and to tree that puts a lot of

557
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 2: pressure on them.

558
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess this could be a tale of like, yes,

559
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: they're in love, but also their young teenagers are being

560
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 1: told they can't be in love, so yeah, a double

561
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: like ooh.

562
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's true. And there's a lot of trauma

563
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: behind a lot of their decisions before. We've talked about

564
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: in a minute, But I didn't want to put in

565
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 2: here because there's this recent TikTok story, Like a TikTok

566
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: user used math to suggest that Padme is the strongest

567
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: character in Star Wars based on the scene and attack

568
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: of the Clones when Padme jumps from the top of

569
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: this really tall hole onto a reek which is kind

570
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 2: of like a big rhino thing.

571
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 3: And doesn't even flinch.

572
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 2: The user Shayey, calculated how much force that would put

573
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: on the body and then argued from there that it

574
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: makes her the strongest character.

575
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: And you and I discussed that in our viewing because.

576
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: I was like, al because we watched this for this

577
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 1: upcoming and I was like, aw, how does that not

578
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: hurt a b Also, she is one of the only

579
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: ones who can actually hit people with her guns. Yeah,

580
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, what is wrong with everybody else? Why

581
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: are these laser guns so bad?

582
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 2: You've heard my theories. But that's a different time. And

583
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 2: she's badass in a lot of ways. She's intelligent, compassionate, curious, determined,

584
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: she's capable, she's brave, she's a good leader. She champions

585
00:29:48,280 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: things like the anti slavery campaign. But yes, in a

586
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: lot of ways, the movies especially did her wrong. And

587
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: one of the big ways, in my opinion, is blaming

588
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 2: when because there's this narrative of her being the cause

589
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: of Anakin's fall to the dark side, and some of

590
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 2: that comes from outside interpretations. So a lot of write

591
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 2: ups blame Padme, sometimes not explicitly, but the language is

592
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: pretty pretty implicit for the fall of the Republican rise

593
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,600
Speaker 2: of the Empire because of her secret marriage to Anakin

594
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,200
Speaker 2: that pushed him to fall. But I think it takes

595
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 2: two to tango friends, and she's not responsible for his

596
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 2: actions in the end. They were both young and in

597
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 2: love and they made mistakes, but it is not solely

598
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: on her that he became dark.

599
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: Right, she was young, and I keep talking about that

600
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 1: as well. When she was elected and I'm still trying

601
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: to wrap my mind around that. I mean, she admits

602
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: she believed she might not have been ready. We do

603
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:53,080
Speaker 1: you see that? And through her evolution we see her mature,

604
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: holding on to her idealism but learning when to compromise,

605
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: although she did compromise and things that maybe she shouldn't have. Yeah, still,

606
00:30:59,880 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: she was young when she died, and plenty of older

607
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: male folks in the film deserves some of the blame

608
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,959
Speaker 1: for what happened. Again, her death just seems silly to

609
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: me in this movie. I know it had to happen

610
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: for the development of the plot, but like, really, this

611
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 1: is how you're gonna kill her all, okay? And they

612
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: were all fooled and manipulated by the Emperor. However, many

613
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: paint her as a simple love interest that ruined everything women.

614
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: So it's another example of something we see and discuss

615
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: a lot in our entertainment, a woman's death jump starting

616
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Speaker 1: a male character story, in this case Darth Vaders.

617
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, even Anakin believe she has betrayed him for Obi

618
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: Wan Kenobi, which leaves him to attack her. She begs

619
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Speaker 2: him to come back to raise their child together, which

620
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 2: is exactly why he joined the dark Side in the

621
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Speaker 2: first place to protect them, but he refuses, arguing instead

622
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 2: they could overthrow the emperor and rule the galaxy together,

623
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: ignoring the fact that that's what she dedicated her whole

624
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 2: life to finding out against dictatorship. He's so overcome with

625
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,200
Speaker 2: the fear of losing her, of being powerless, that he

626
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: loses her and serves a new master as slaved to

627
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: the dark Side. That's something else that eroded the trust

628
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 2: between Padme and Anakin, his closeness to Palpatine, especially given

629
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Speaker 2: how dedicated she was the Republican preventing that slow creep

630
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: of emergency powers and militarism. There are even scenes where

631
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: she comes in and he chooses to stand by Palpatine

632
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 2: and not her when they're like arguing. So some people

633
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: have said that this kind of complex, convoluted thing is

634
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: why these movies aren't as satisfying, because they aren't the

635
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: simple good versus bad star wars miss stories we're used to.

636
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Speaker 1: Like.

637
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 2: Don't get me wrong, the original CHILDI has a lot

638
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,680
Speaker 2: of complex layers to it, but in the end, it's

639
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 2: kind of like, these are the bad guys, these are

640
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: the good guys, Like you know the lines and these

641
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 2: are blurrier.

642
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: The characters don't know who exactly they're fighting. We do

643
00:32:59,160 --> 00:32:59,719
Speaker 3: as the audience.

644
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: Except really frustrating, but they don't the good guys, and

645
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: these make cat astraphic mistakes that lead to tragedy and darkness,

646
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: which watching these in the air of Trump hit differently.

647
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Speaker 1: I gotta say, yeah, I definitely you've definitely heard like

648
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: the Stormtrooper margin a lot.

649
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

650
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, So apparently Annie you told me this and I'm

651
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and relay it. There was a whole

652
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: scrapped plot line that pad May actually was more forced

653
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 1: sensitive than Anakin during her pregnancy with Luke and Leah. Interesting,

654
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: our other strapped endings had Padme leaving Anakin to start

655
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Speaker 1: the rebellion. Apparently there's the deletedt scene where she joins

656
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: up with Belle Organa and man Mathma to create the

657
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Alliance to restore the public. But how'd that go with

658
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: the fight that Leyah is supposed to be adopted by.

659
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 2: I think she was still going to die, but she

660
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 2: had this scene of like, I'm gonna set this up

661
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: so she started it, and.

662
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Then okay, or even trying to kill him when she

663
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: realizes what he's become which I feel like the big

664
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 1: clue was when he killed that entire population of people

665
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 1: of creatures, including the children and the women, and he

666
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: admits it and was okay with it, like he cried,

667
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: but he's like it felt good, Yeah, like an avengance

668
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: of his mother. I was like that seems like that

669
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Speaker 1: has a huge sidney.

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Speaker 3: There's many red flags with him.

671
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Speaker 2: And while Padme does get to do her fair share

672
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: of ASKI king, she certainly does more ask kicking than

673
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: I'm used to seeing from Queens and Sinner, just especially

674
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: as a kid when.

675
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: I was watching these.

676
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 2: She does end up meeting quite a bit of rescuing too,

677
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,240
Speaker 2: and or you see her in a fair amount of distress.

678
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: So in that crop top incident in the second movie,

679
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: which I want to include the description from star wars

680
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 2: WICKI fantom of that quote. This tore the waistband and

681
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: up her clothing, and Amidala screamed and sobbed in pain

682
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: as tears trickled down her cheek. I don't remember the

683
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 2: sop pain crying, but anyway, Anakin is the one that

684
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 2: ultimately comes to her rescue. She falls out of their

685
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: transport and falls unconscious. Soon after that, there are plenty

686
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Speaker 2: of instances of her being captured or poisoned or what

687
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 2: haves you in the show, though to be fair, she

688
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: does find a way out herself fairly regularly.

689
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 3: There's also a.

690
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Really weird, kind of creepy plot line with an X

691
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: of hers and a really jealous Anakin that feels like,

692
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: because most of that show does feel, oh, this is

693
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Speaker 2: very much for children.

694
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Speaker 3: In that episode, I was.

695
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: Like, whoa, this is pretty dark and weird. And she

696
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 2: spends a good portion of the third movie crying and

697
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 2: in emotional distress that ultimately kills her. We're going to

698
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:42,680
Speaker 2: get into some some people have a different interpretation of

699
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: that in a minute, but and you know, it was

700
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:48,080
Speaker 2: very devastating. A lot of very bad things were happening,

701
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 2: but still she did spend most of the movie kind

702
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 2: of just crying. So, speaking of heartbreak and her death,

703
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: this is probably one of the most calling things about

704
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,439
Speaker 2: her storyline, that she dies of heartbreak after giving Bird

705
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Speaker 2: to her children. With everything we know about her, it

706
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 2: seems like she would fight like hell to protect them.

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Speaker 2: And there is a part of me that gets the

708
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 2: romantic in heavy quotes aspect of it that she was

709
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Speaker 2: so in love with Anakin, and that knowing what he

710
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 2: did and what he'd become and how he destroyed in

711
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: part what she'd work so hard to better and to

712
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Speaker 2: preserve that it killed her.

713
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Speaker 3: But it just feels like such a cop out.

714
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: And every time I watch these movies, if you take

715
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 2: away the silliness, yeah, and the awkward dialogue and clunky

716
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:36,359
Speaker 2: extraneous storylines, I'm really taken aback by how sad they are.

717
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 2: But she was strong, like I feel like she would

718
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: have she would have fought. But all that being said,

719
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Speaker 2: some have pointed out that it's never confirmed in canon.

720
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Speaker 2: It's never officially been confirmed that she died of heartbreak,

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Speaker 2: and in fact, it's heavily implied the Emperor killed her

722
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: from a fog with his dog magic powers, because how

723
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: did he know she was dead when he told Darth Vader.

724
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: That's like one of the big things. The medbot treating

725
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,399
Speaker 2: her says she has lost the will to live, which

726
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 2: could be heartbreak or I guess dark force powers that

727
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Speaker 2: a robot doesn't know about.

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Speaker 1: Fair And again, we are focusing on Padme today, but

729
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: because we do talk a lot about trauma and grooming

730
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,959
Speaker 1: on the show, that plays a huge part in the

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Speaker 1: Fall of Anakin Skywalker after growing up enslaved, he had

732
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,680
Speaker 1: to leave his mother behind enslavement, and when he finally returns,

733
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: she dies in his arms and he's terrified of going

734
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 1: through that pain again. With Padme, you've got the Emperor

735
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 1: grooming him and offering him a solution and whisperinging his

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Speaker 1: ears constantly.

737
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Samantha knows, I'll just be like, he's so great

738
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: for randomly she does. And here I wanted to include

739
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,520
Speaker 2: an email we got a while back from a listener

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00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 2: named cale Hi. Cale Cale wrote about what we're talking

741
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: about right here.

742
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 3: Quote.

743
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Speaker 2: This email is mainly for Annie because it's about Star Wars,

744
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: but Samantha is for you to read as well. I

745
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 2: was listening to movie Crush and I heard you talk

746
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 2: about how you've been watching the Clone Wars animated series

747
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 2: and your mixed feelings about Anakin since the show humanized

748
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: him so much. And I am so happy to hear that.

749
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Speaker 2: I did not watch Star Wars as a kid, and

750
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 2: my first real exposure to the series was when my

751
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 2: partner showed me the Clone Wars series. I mostly watched animation.

752
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,280
Speaker 2: It got me into Star Wars and after watching the series.

753
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 2: I went back and watched all of the movies and

754
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 2: rebels as well. Watching the Clone Wars really humanized Anakin

755
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 2: in a way that hit me hard. Watching him be

756
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: groomed by Palpatine, being forced a hide his relationship with Padme,

757
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,520
Speaker 2: and having no one to really go to about his

758
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 2: emotions and nightmares truly made him an island. A person

759
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 2: in such pure isolation is so easily manipulated, and so

760
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: watching him fall prey to Palpatine and the prequels was

761
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: so difficult for me to see. I have a lot

762
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 2: of deep rooted emotions about the show, Anakin and Anakin's relationships.

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Speaker 3: With various characters.

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Speaker 2: I would not say that I forgive him of his evils,

765
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Speaker 2: but that watching the Clone Wars and how it makes

766
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 2: Anakin relatable gave me insight to him as a person

767
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: and truly made me feel so much for him. I

768
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,439
Speaker 2: have written a pseudo essay ramble about how I feel

769
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: about the Jedi Order, It's shortcomings when it comes to humanity, sentience, emotions, relationships,

770
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Speaker 2: and how the rigidity of the Orders ultimately what led

771
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Speaker 2: Anakin to choosing the dark side and becoming Vader.

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Speaker 3: If you're interested, I would love to share it with you.

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00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: I know that not a lot of people read into

774
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: and analyze individual characters and movies and books as much

775
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 2: as you do, and I feel a real kindredness to

776
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 2: you and how you really see each character when talking

777
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 2: about them on Sminty. Yes, I love this so much.

778
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 2: I would love to read your essay. That is right

779
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: up my alley and something I would do. I have

780
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 2: thought so in depth about these characters, and yes, definitely

781
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 2: Anakin and darth Vader and the psychology of Darth Vader

782
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 2: is something that I will bring up at any time,

783
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 2: But that is another aspect to this, as well as

784
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 2: the show really exploring that isolation and the grooming and

785
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: the kind of tragedy that it led to. On top

786
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 2: of that, Padme's death haunted him for the rest of

787
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: his life, haunted Anakin Darth Vace for the rest of

788
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 2: his life, saying her name in front of him very

789
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: likely he could get you killed. He never ever emotionally

790
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: recovered from it, and that turned into indiscriminate violence and rage.

791
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: At one point, he encounters a ghostly massage of Padme,

792
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: and when he begs her to come back to him,

793
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: she kills herself instead, and that is messed up. At

794
00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: another point, he attempted to resurrect her with an ancient

795
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: artifact and failed. Here's the quote from Johnston, author of

796
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Speaker 2: those Padme trilogy books we mentioned earlier.

797
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Speaker 3: I had to include this. Anakin Skywalker is a.

798
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Speaker 2: Bit of a downer for me in terms of writing,

799
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Speaker 2: because everything he touches ends badly. Quigan dies, his mom dies,

800
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 2: Padme dies, the galaxy falls apart. It does not go

801
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: well for people involved in Anakin Skywalker's story when he's.

802
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 3: The main character. True. A note about the handmaidens.

803
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 2: Those Amidala lookalikes are the lookalikes for the queens of Naboo.

804
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: They are badass and they're kind of creepy. They take

805
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: on code names, they undergo training to mimic they are queens,

806
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 2: so people can't detect when one of them stands in

807
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: for her, which is helped by all of Naboo's traditional

808
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 2: makeup and clothing for queens. There's one storyline in the

809
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:12,200
Speaker 2: book The Queen's Peril, where Padme's primary stand in and

810
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: closest handmaiden, Sabe, takes her place when pain from her

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Speaker 2: period sidelines Padme. After Padme's death, Sabe is one of

812
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Speaker 2: the leaders of a group dedicated to getting justice for

813
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: Padme and finding her killer. Also, both Kiera Knightley and

814
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Speaker 2: Rose Byrne played handmaidens in the movies.

815
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Speaker 1: Yes, I looked this up and Kiera Knightley was in

816
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: that movie before she was invented. Like Beckham. Oh, that

817
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 1: one of the part bigger movies. Uh uh huh. And

818
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: along those lines of friendship among women in the show,

819
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 1: we do see the friendship between Ahsoka tano Anakin's Padawan

820
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and Padme, and we see them defend and protect each other,

821
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Speaker 1: which is nice.

822
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: It is nice. It is so.

823
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 2: We did want to talk a bit about the legacy

824
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 2: and symbolism of Padme, but first we're gonna pasture one

825
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 2: more quick break for work from her sponsor.

826
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Speaker 3: And we're back. Thank you sponsor.

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Speaker 2: So Padme's death and legacy are felt throughout the series,

828
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Speaker 2: almost representative of the death of the Republic. She died

829
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Speaker 2: alongside the republic she fought so hard for, and the

830
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 2: birth of the Empire. Her children would later be so

831
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: instrumental in the Empire's destruction, and they were born on

832
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 2: or a few days after Empire Day, which is the

833
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 2: day the Empire was born. Padme does have one of

834
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Speaker 2: my favorite lines in the prequel trilogy. This is how

835
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 2: Liberty dies to thunderous applause, and she does become a

836
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Speaker 2: symbol of the rebellion and revenge of the Sith. One

837
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 2: of her hairstyles later is adopted as the rebel symbol.

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Speaker 1: So we also see Padme's legacy live on in Leya

839
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:55,840
Speaker 1: in the costuming and hair. After the Empire's fall, Layah

840
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,840
Speaker 1: researches until she discovers who her mother was and is

841
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: able to get her gowns shipped to her from Naboo Nice. However,

842
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: all they're later stolen by an officer of the First

843
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,640
Speaker 1: Order aka the New Empire. Leah's bid to be the

844
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Speaker 1: first Senator of the new Republic, following in Padme's footsteps,

845
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Speaker 1: is derilled by her father's identity as Darth Vader is revealed.

846
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:20,520
Speaker 1: Leiah too is strong willed and determined and dedicated to

847
00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,240
Speaker 1: public service, inspiring people to her cause.

848
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I will say it's almost a running joke.

849
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Speaker 2: You can go card every time I mentioned fan fiction.

850
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: In a lot of ways, fan fiction did kind of

851
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 2: redeem a lot of the elements of these stories. For Me,

852
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:40,280
Speaker 2: because people would write amazing, amazing works based on Padme

853
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 2: or Padme's influence in Luke and Leya's life. And you know,

854
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:48,080
Speaker 2: when you're watching the original trilogy, I think Luke didn't

855
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: even know the name of his mother and he's never

856
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,439
Speaker 2: really asking about her because he was told not to ask.

857
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: But it was always like the father who was interesting him,

858
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: and she was sort of this blank space throughout where

859
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: it was like not even a question or even addressed.

860
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 3: And it does feel.

861
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: Now that you know the whole story, that she's hanging there,

862
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 2: kind of this sad ghost over the whole thing of

863
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 2: like forgotten, and it was her. It's her that they're

864
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 2: emulating and they don't even know it, like Luke and Layah,

865
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Speaker 2: and it was her love of this republic that felt

866
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,920
Speaker 2: that they're trying to restore. I don't know looks wise,

867
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: all the main female characters in these trilogies are petite, white,

868
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Speaker 2: dark haired, dark eyed women, and they are meant to

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Speaker 2: resemble each other. But yeah, it's interesting too that you

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Speaker 2: see this progression through these characters of trying to be

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Speaker 2: if you look at the change of titles from Princess

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Speaker 2: the sequel trilogy.

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Speaker 3: To General organa like.

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Speaker 2: I think that was one of those things where they

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Speaker 2: were trying to.

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Speaker 3: Move the the move up and you know something I've

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Speaker 3: succeeded and sometimes didn't.

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Speaker 1: H Yeah. We see her legacy in Luke too, who

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Speaker 1: is compassionate, stubborn, idealistic, kind and sees the good in

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Speaker 1: others to a fault Annie Cinemon role. Luke proves Amidella's

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Speaker 1: last words to be corrected. There were still good in Vader.

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Speaker 1: Leah later goes through something similar with her son Ben. Oh,

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Speaker 1: that was a weird movie. Luke was always hopeful, and

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Speaker 1: so was Padme right until her death. That hope lived

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Speaker 1: on into her children, a new hope. If you will,

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Speaker 1: I will, Ah. There's one reason her story is so painful.

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Speaker 1: As an audience. We know what happens to her, but

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Speaker 1: it's always hopeful.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, She's always hopeful throughout. And you just know, this

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Speaker 1: You're breaking my heart.

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Speaker 3: You're going down to pass. I can't follow.

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Speaker 2: That is a line that's been a Craine for me

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Speaker 2: because of fan fiction, people have made that into a

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Speaker 3: Here's another quote from Johnston.

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Speaker 2: That's how I got through writing the depressing tragedy that

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Speaker 2: that hope Injurers, that good Injurers, and Padme believed it

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Speaker 2: even right up to the end. Yeah, so I you know,

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Speaker 2: clearly I'm a big fan and you can't maybe trust

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Speaker 2: my suggestions. But I will say there is a lot

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Speaker 2: of like these books I've heard wonderful things about the

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Speaker 2: comics are good shows, Like if you're interested, there is

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Speaker 2: material out there that did give her more of a

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Speaker 2: backstory and something more like just strong and complex and

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Speaker 2: really flush her out as a character.

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Speaker 3: I guess it does exist. But thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 3: thank you for letting me have this. I feel a

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Speaker 3: little tear eyed. I'm getting a little emotional.

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Speaker 1: You're hugging yourself a lot in that like cute child like,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm seeing that for sure.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, they moved me every time I tell you so.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for letting me go on this journey, giving

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Speaker 2: me the space, and yes, we do want to hear

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Speaker 2: your suggestions. I sw we have a list, We keep

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Speaker 2: them and we're gonna get to them. You can email

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Speaker 2: us at stuff Media, mob Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com.

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Speaker 2: You can find us on Twitter at mob Stuff podcast

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Speaker 2: or on Instagram at stuff I Never Told You.

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Speaker 3: Thanks as always to our superproducer Christina.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Christina, and thanks to you for listening.

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