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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. I'm Robert Evans, hosted Behind the Bastards UM.

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Speaker 1: Opening this podcast poorly, I'm distracted right now because there

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Speaker 1: are two kittens in my house. There's two of them

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Speaker 1: in their kittens and they're playing. And I'm also horribly

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Speaker 1: an episode. Are e me being allergic and then being

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Speaker 1: distracted by kittens anyway, when I don't have a house

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Speaker 1: full of kittens. This is a podcast about the very

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Speaker 1: worst people in all of history. UM. And today we're

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Speaker 1: doing one of our now classic reverse episodes where somebody

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Speaker 1: reads me a terrible story about a bastard and to

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Speaker 1: to to do that, to tell us another tale of

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Speaker 1: woe and whimsy is our old friend Christopher. Christopher, how

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Speaker 1: are you doing today? Doing? Doing pretty good? We are.

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Speaker 1: It's cherry season. We're doing the cherries or picking cherries.

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Speaker 1: It's hell yeah, Well, you live in in the frigid

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Speaker 1: Midwest and I live in the Pacific Northwest, and we

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Speaker 1: both have cherry. We're just dripping with cherries, which is

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Speaker 1: a sign of the perfection of the cherry plants. It's

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Speaker 1: a really powerful it's a really powerful organism. The amazing

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Speaker 1: thing about cherries is I feel like a lot of

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Speaker 1: different fruit plants you get like you get some fruit

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Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, is that it is that all

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Speaker 1: the work that I put in this year for for

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Speaker 1: this fruit, Like, but fucking cherry trees you get like

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Speaker 1: you're dripping with cherries. You get too many cherries off

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Speaker 1: of any given cherry tree. And I think that's beautiful.

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Speaker 1: You know what else I think is beautiful? Christopher? What

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Speaker 1: do you do? What do you think is beautiful? Robert?

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Speaker 1: I think naming kittens is beautiful. And Sophie and I

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Speaker 1: have a little bit of a disagreement here. See, I

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Speaker 1: want to call them Saddam Hussein and Saddam Hussein's best friend,

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Speaker 1: and Sophie says, no, that's a horrible name for two kittens. Uh. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, listeners, I guess what I'm asking you to

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Speaker 1: do is find Sophie online and tell her that I'm right,

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Speaker 1: tell her that I picked the proper name to name them.

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Speaker 1: Sophie and Sophie, that's a ridiculous name for a cat.

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Speaker 1: So both are Hussein and Hussein's best friend. Good cat

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Speaker 1: names both options are dictators. Yeah, that is true. We'll

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Speaker 1: see the double Sophie has the advantage of the fact

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Speaker 1: that the cats are indistinguishable. So they are distinguishable. You

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Speaker 1: cannot tell the difference between them. They both look exactly

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Speaker 1: the same. Little black cats, little baby black cat the

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Speaker 1: right to be Uh, you know, I've put in the time,

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Speaker 1: like I feel like at least one should be named Sophie. Well,

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Speaker 1: we'll think about this. I like the idea of a

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Speaker 1: something bad and I shout, so down, who say it's

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Speaker 1: best friend? Get down from there. You have to set

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Speaker 1: yourself up for success, is the point I'm making. Um

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Speaker 1: And and speaking of setting ourselves up for to success,

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Speaker 1: I've set myself up for success today by having Chris

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Speaker 1: research the episode. So the subject of today's episode is

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eight tainted milk scandal. And this is

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Speaker 1: gonna be a fun hell yeah, yeah, this is this

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Speaker 1: is I love a good tainted milk scandal. Yeah, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, her a lot of babies gonna die? Are

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Speaker 1: we are we talking like serious dead baby territory here? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we'll we'll put this in the beginning shouldn't have

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Speaker 1: asked that way. That's a horrible way to ask if

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Speaker 1: a bunch of babies die. Yeah, so the number of

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Speaker 1: babies who are poisoned is extremely high. The death toll

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Speaker 1: number of the sheer number of babies who are poisons,

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Speaker 1: but it is a it is a very large it's

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Speaker 1: action sounds like the best case scenario is horrible thing happens,

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Speaker 1: not a lot of babies die. But we have a

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Speaker 1: horrible thing to discuss. This job has broken my brain.

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Speaker 1: Chris Um just just just fundamentally destroyed me as a

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Speaker 1: as an empathetic human being. Let's let's let's let's start

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Speaker 1: the show. I'm I'm excited to learn about the spoiled

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Speaker 1: milk scandal Um and I'm sure that it was caused

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Speaker 1: by people acting responsibly and just a freak accident that

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Speaker 1: whu Abe founded a dairy company called the Three Deer company. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: and where's like huibe hibeh whobe is um who abe Okay,

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Speaker 1: about Chinese geograpy. So this is this is this is

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Speaker 1: I assume there's an arch all right, so the the

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Speaker 1: nineteen seventy nine, three years is a it's relatively sleepy

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Speaker 1: it's really a minor area culture industry China. China does

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Speaker 1: not have a lot of milk like people, people don't

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Speaker 1: they get resources for them out of the allotment um. Now,

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Speaker 1: Now the social the social system, Okay, you're explaining this alright, good, well,

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Speaker 1: good example of this. Um, yes, so so this is

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Speaker 1: this is Nike. The Yeah, Nike located in my hometown

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Speaker 1: of Portland, the company that has never done anything wrong famously. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I'm aware of Nike. Yeah. I actually eat a pair

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Speaker 1: of Nike shoes every single day. It's the only source

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Speaker 1: of protein in my diet. That's very impressive. Do you

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Speaker 1: do you stew it? And I know what's the original

435
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Speaker 1: Russian thing? Yeah? I watched that documentary where Werner Herzog

436
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Speaker 1: eats his shoes, and I decided, this is how I

437
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Speaker 1: want to live my life. But leather shoes are for peasants.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to go with the much healthier various

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Speaker 1: Nike materials, which is the souls of small children. Uh

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Speaker 1: in the global South. Um, it's delicious. Yeah, it's fun.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing this is you know what's seeing

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Speaker 1: talking has this thing about Nike? Um Jesus quote. Nike

443
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Speaker 1: never produced athletic shoes. Company founders begin as distributors of

444
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Speaker 1: Japanese made shoes. The additions that made for success for

445
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Speaker 1: the invention of the Swish logo, advertising endorsements from well

446
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Speaker 1: known African American athletes, and transferred to cheaper Asian locations

447
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Speaker 1: for contracting production. Nike's vice president for Asia Pacific once explained, quote,

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Speaker 1: we don't know the first thing about manufacturing. We are

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Speaker 1: marketers and designers, which is great. So they don't they

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Speaker 1: don't they don't make shoes. They buy is shoes from

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Speaker 1: other people. And you know, this this, this is this

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Speaker 1: is a sort of interesting development because you know, so Nike,

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Speaker 1: Nike's clothes are made in these really really small shops

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Speaker 1: with small numbers and employees, and you know, I mean

455
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Speaker 1: this is this is this is the sweatshops from the

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Speaker 1: Triangle shirt wasst episode, except you know, they've gone backwards

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Speaker 1: to the thing that Triangle Shirtwist was supposed to be replacing. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they've literally been Like the problem with Triangle Shirtwaist is

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Speaker 1: that it was that factory was too ethical. We gotta

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Speaker 1: go back a little bit further. Yeah, and I think

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Speaker 1: it's you'd love to see it. Yeah, Like, I think

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Speaker 1: I think it's worth asking why this happens, because you know,

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Speaker 1: the consequence of going back to the system is that

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Speaker 1: the government industry loses all of the safety and wage

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Speaker 1: gains they made in the twenty century in two decades.

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Speaker 1: And you know, and this is in large part due

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Speaker 1: to the sort of contractor model. So you know, we

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Speaker 1: should ask, so why why do you actually want to

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Speaker 1: use the contractor model? Um, we talked a little bit. Yeah, cuts,

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Speaker 1: it cuts costs, and you know, it turns workers and

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Speaker 1: small business owners that like, you know, it makes it

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Speaker 1: easier to sort of rob by convincing you that they're

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Speaker 1: actually like business owners and not just sort of you know,

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Speaker 1: permanently in trapped dead peons. Now, another reason for this

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Speaker 1: is that it makes union organizing extremely difficult because part

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Speaker 1: of the workforce that you know, would have been workers

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Speaker 1: in like a triangle shirtwaist uh set up, are actually

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Speaker 1: small business owners now. And because in the in the garment,

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Speaker 1: which is also kind of what triangle shirtwaist did with

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Speaker 1: the the inside contractor system. Yeah yeah, it's the interesting

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Speaker 1: thing about this breakaus. The inside contractor system doesn't work

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Speaker 1: right like the contractors like side side with the workers

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Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah yeah, but but in this system, like

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Speaker 1: the small shops sort of system, it doesn't that doesn't

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Speaker 1: happen at all. The small shop people are you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they are actually confessor small business owners. And this

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Speaker 1: this makes it almost impossible for for the garment workers

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Speaker 1: them entire wages because the people they're working for, these

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Speaker 1: contractors and these contractors are also extremely poor and they

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Speaker 1: have like they have no margins. But you know, because

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Speaker 1: the workers are contractors for a contractor, right like, they

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Speaker 1: don't they don't have a way to directly like demand

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Speaker 1: wages or safety procedures from the company. And you know

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Speaker 1: this isn't like this, this system is not efficient, right like,

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's way, it's way more efficient to

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Speaker 1: make make the stuff in big factories. And you know,

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Speaker 1: in order to do this, you have to have these

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Speaker 1: enormous supply chains or spanning multiple continents in order to

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Speaker 1: move this stuff around. But you know that doesn't really

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Speaker 1: matter because since the eighties you basically see his corporations

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Speaker 1: going Okay, it is better to have enormously inefficient production

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Speaker 1: and these like giant logistics lines than it is for

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Speaker 1: a single union to exist and take any of their

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Speaker 1: money or or worse yet, and this, you know, this

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Speaker 1: is a real threat in the cities and seventies, which

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Speaker 1: is what all this c centralzation stuff is a response

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Speaker 1: to that. You know, it was a real possibility in

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Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies that like the garment workers are

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Speaker 1: going to seize the company and start running it themselves,

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Speaker 1: and so you get this enormous effort to make sure

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Speaker 1: that this never happens again. And you know, well, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, if there's anything that's antithetical to the socialist experiment,

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Speaker 1: it's unionization. Yea, workers owning the means of production like

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Speaker 1: capitalists no, thank you, yeah, you know, and this is

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Speaker 1: the you know, this is the thing. Is part of

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Speaker 1: why it's interesting that like three years three Dyer is

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Speaker 1: doing all of this stuff that like we look at now,

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Speaker 1: like honest thing is running. She doesn't tend right there

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Speaker 1: is three years is doing this all in the night

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Speaker 1: six and this is you know, we were walked about

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Speaker 1: this earlier. But like again, the people inside the communist

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Speaker 1: trains Communist Party like didn't want to go back to

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Speaker 1: capitalism like that, they really didn't like capitalism and it

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Speaker 1: just didn't matter. Like within within two years of them

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Speaker 1: saying okay, they don't industries can like can make money now, right,

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Speaker 1: like this within two years, as they don't industries reinvented

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Speaker 1: debt peonage. And you know, and there's another interesting aspect

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Speaker 1: of this, which is that, okay, so so three Deers

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Speaker 1: is not just a state own industry. They're also a

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Speaker 1: co op, which means like the workers of of of

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Speaker 1: of three Deers owned shares in the company. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you would think that the combination of this is the

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Speaker 1: state owned industry in a country that is still technically communist,

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Speaker 1: combined with you know, led by a woman. You would

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Speaker 1: think all three of these things would like in some

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Speaker 1: way make any of this better. But no, it turns

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Speaker 1: out that the incentives run exactly the other way. And

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Speaker 1: so you know, so if you have the state, the

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Speaker 1: state of infirm is trying to cut costs because you know,

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Speaker 1: because they don't only given I don't want to state,

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Speaker 1: they're trying to cut costs, so outsourcing states the money.

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Speaker 1: And then the interesting thing about the co op parts

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Speaker 1: of the co op part feeds into this because you know,

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Speaker 1: if you're a member of the co op, right, the

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Speaker 1: less members of the co op like there are the

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Speaker 1: war your shares are worth and so they have this

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Speaker 1: incentive to make sure that as much of the work

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Speaker 1: as being as possible as being done by contractors, because

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Speaker 1: the contractors aren't like members of the co op. And yes,

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Speaker 1: so this leads yeah, and this this is invented Uber

551
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Speaker 1: six two years after they legalize making money. It's incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: hell yeah. See that's that's socialist innovation right there. Fuck

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Speaker 1: you Silicon Valley. God. You know. And and because this,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's actually an old idea of that. Yeah, yeah,

555
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Speaker 1: they they're on they're one of the first people to

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Speaker 1: like bring it back, which is fairly incredible. And you know,

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Speaker 1: because because this is just like a capitalist economy, Now,

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Speaker 1: this pays off enormously, and you know, three years still

559
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Speaker 1: the entire sort of the next time fifteen years just

560
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Speaker 1: massively expands. Um. They do this massive series of murgers

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Speaker 1: and acquisitions, and the nineties it is the largest dairy

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Speaker 1: producer in China, and you know, and they continue to expand,

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Speaker 1: and you know, but by by this point they have

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Speaker 1: real political power because they're they're you know there, their

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Speaker 1: company is a significant part of like the local Chinese

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Speaker 1: tax base, and so this this gives them means with

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Speaker 1: the party, and this is part of what allows them

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Speaker 1: to and two five form this joint partnership with the

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Speaker 1: New Zealand based front Terra Cooperative Group. Um yeah, for

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Speaker 1: Terra buys forty under the shares and you know they

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Speaker 1: do this huge partnership thing and this this is a

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Speaker 1: huge deal. Fonterra is the second largest dairy company in

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Speaker 1: the world. They you know, they have the worlds sold

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Speaker 1: dairy production and you know they're the largest company in

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Speaker 1: New Zealand's by a margin. That's like, okay, they are

576
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Speaker 1: so powerful in New Zealand that several of the cables

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Speaker 1: from Wiki Leaks suggests that the reason that New Zealand

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Speaker 1: sent troops to a rock was that the US was

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Speaker 1: threatening to cut off their their milk for oil deal

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Speaker 1: with the Iraqi government. When they knocked it off, what

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Speaker 1: the fuck? See but no war for milk is a

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Speaker 1: terrible thing to put on a plaque. That's just not

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Speaker 1: going to get you anywhere. That is incredible, I and

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Speaker 1: I love it whenever we get New Zealand gets gets

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Speaker 1: so much credit because their government isn't isn't just howlingly

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Speaker 1: incompetent um, but they do dumbsh it. Guys, don't worry,

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Speaker 1: don't worry New Zealand's government. That's terrible things. It's fine,

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Speaker 1: you know, and it's great because again this is a

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Speaker 1: you know, it's Fonterra is a group of cooperatives, and

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Speaker 1: once again the cooperatives are not only not like making

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Speaker 1: anything better, they're like pushing New Zealand into war with

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Speaker 1: like into an invasion of a rock It's great, yeah, baby,

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Speaker 1: global capital go to war for fucking milk. You know

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Speaker 1: who else will go to war on behalf of a

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Speaker 1: milk conglomerate all of the products that support this podcast.

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Speaker 1: We ask one question of our sponsors, and it's will

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Speaker 1: you invade the Global South in order to improve the

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Speaker 1: profits of a milk manufacturer? And if they say no, or,

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Speaker 1: as is more common, what are you talking about? Are

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Speaker 1: you having a stroke? Robert? Do we need to call someone?

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Speaker 1: We hang up the phone. We don't take that goddamn money.

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Speaker 1: That's the behind the bad streets guarantee. We're back. And

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Speaker 1: Sophie just admitted that as a capitalist pig dog, she

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Speaker 1: is wearing a Nike shirt shamefully. I mean it was

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Speaker 1: it was it was a gift, but that's not an excuse.

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Speaker 1: I still wear see Sophie, that is something I know.

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Speaker 1: You're a monster. You're a monster, unlike me, who was

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Speaker 1: just surrounded by products of the international arms industry, which

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Speaker 1: is completely non problematic and has never been involved in anything.

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Speaker 1: I'm simply just that's what everyone says about the global

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Speaker 1: arms straight. Yes, Lebron Games and I'm representing a lot

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Speaker 1: of unsettling companies. Okay, let's let's get back to let's

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Speaker 1: get back to the show. Chris. We're talking about milk,

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Speaker 1: which is also a thing you can buy and support

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Speaker 1: the Global arms straight. Apparently it's great. It's great. No

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Speaker 1: matter what you buy all the money to the arms trade.

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Speaker 1: You can't you can't not feed money back into the

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Speaker 1: global arms trade. That's capitalism, baby. It all winds up

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Speaker 1: making guns somehow. Also, the fun part of this is

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Speaker 1: that Fonterra is going to come out looking like the

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Speaker 1: better party in this deal at the end of this

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Speaker 1: which is which is this is this is a you

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Speaker 1: can tell the stories going well, when the people who

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Speaker 1: are slightly more responsible are the people who sent troops

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Speaker 1: to a rock. It's great. Now Fonterra partners with three

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Speaker 1: deers under the assumption that you know China's largest dairy

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Speaker 1: company will be selling products that are you know, of

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Speaker 1: quality and thus wouldn't get into like trouble. But you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna yeah, yeah, that the large dairy company

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Speaker 1: in China. Like what what what could possibly be going wrong?

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Speaker 1: But you know, even before three five there were signs

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Speaker 1: that Fonterra should have been concerned. Now, since the start

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Speaker 1: of the reform period in nineteen eighties and sort of

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Speaker 1: accelerating few tradition to capitalism in the nineties, China has

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Speaker 1: had a huge food safety problem, particularly in the dairy industry.

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Speaker 1: And well, obviously there there's a lot of structural issues

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Speaker 1: involved in this. In the dairy industry. A lot of

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Speaker 1: this is directly this is directly the fault of three

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Speaker 1: Deers model of contract farming. Now, as we said, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's crazy making the uber of massive scale food production

641
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: didn't didn't make things as safe as uber uber app

642
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: the uber of baby formula. Surprisingly are not the good

643
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: guys here now as a result of the sort of

644
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: the miniature and culture revolution that that Three Deers kicks

645
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: off in the eighties and nineties, most dairy farming, I

646
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:36,120
Speaker 1: mean this, this is true to this day in the

647
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: year one is done by those individual farmers with like

648
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 1: one of three cows. And you know, the whole system

649
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: is designed so that like no one can no one

650
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: can build up enough capital to get out or do

651
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: did you any kind of like productivity improvements on themselves,

652
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 1: because if they had that much money, they could go

653
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: like start their own company and they wouldn't have to

654
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: work for three years. And the other thing about the

655
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: contract model is it means that no one is investing,

656
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: you know, because these cows are being are owned and

657
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: maintained by these farmers. No one's investing in any sort

658
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: of technological improvements. And you know, because all the farmers

659
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: are at best you're broke and at worst you're hopelessly

660
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: in debt, they don't have money to buy good land.

661
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: They're using essentially the land left over from the from

662
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: the old like land reform allotments. And this means that

663
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:24,680
Speaker 1: you know, this is this is some one of the

664
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: worst high cultural line of China at the're raising these

665
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: cows on. I mean, okay, so it's the worst higher

666
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: cultural land that you can that you can raise a

667
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: cow on. And it's not literally desert or like the

668
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: top from Mountain, And so you know, this means that

669
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: the cows are very healthy and that the milk they

670
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: produce is pretty low quality. Now higher quality milk with

671
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: more more approaching than it sells for more money because

672
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: you know, you can used to make baby formula. And

673
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: this means that there's an enormous incentive for farmers and

674
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: middlemen and the dairy companies to fake the proachein content

675
00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 1: of their milk to make it look higher than it

676
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: actually is. How do you I mean, is it just

677
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: like they're bribing the people who's jabta is to check?

678
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: Or is there some like are they like pro it

679
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: pouring way protein into the milk? So how does that

680
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: actually work? So so the easiest way to do this

681
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: way so they are bribing people, but you can't. You

682
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: have to bribe an enormous number of people in order

683
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: to do this. So the easiest way to do it

684
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: is by putting additives into the milk that make that

685
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: make the milk look like it has more protein. Went

686
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 1: on on the sort of tests that companies used to

687
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: like figure out how much like milk, how much proteins

688
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 1: in the milk, And you know this this is where

689
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:30,920
Speaker 1: the middlemen come in and you know, so, so the

690
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: middlemen are people who they buy the milk from the

691
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 1: farmers and sell it to the dairy companies. Now you

692
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: might be wondering, you know again, the company sold them

693
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: these cows, right, so why would why are the companies

694
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,240
Speaker 1: like not just buying the milk from the farmers directly.

695
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: And the answer for that, there's there's three reasons. The

696
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: first is that the dairy companies, you know, running through

697
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 1: these middlemen means they don't have to spend the money

698
00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: running their own logistics network to you know, buy and

699
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,880
Speaker 1: then move supplies the milk around. Um. The second reason

700
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: is to put a buffer in between sort of the

701
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: dairy companies and the contract farmers and in case the

702
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: farmers get any ideas about you know, banding together, so

703
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: they don't have to live in desperate poverty. And the

704
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 1: third reason you use middleman is to do crime. Hell yeah,

705
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 1: now we're talking yeah, and you know this, Yeah, because

706
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: if you get someone else to do a crime, then

707
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: you then you're you're in the clear. That's the way

708
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: crime works. Yeah, this this is literally true. So you

709
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: know it's say, for example, you are nesting and the

710
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: cocoa that you use for your chocolate is produced by

711
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 1: child slave laper. And you know the Ivory coaster, Pekino Fasso.

712
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: You know, now you're a child slave labor. Like it's

713
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: a bad thing, Christopher. I mean, without child slave labor,

714
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,880
Speaker 1: we wouldn't have I don't know, the Pyramids or England.

715
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm pretty I'm pretty sure they didn't use child slaves. Amazingly,

716
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: they had slavery, but I'm pretty sure they didn't use

717
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: child slaves built the pyramids, I mean, which is incredible.

718
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: A lot of them are probably seventeen right, yeah, but

719
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: you know, I do want to point out it's like, yeah,

720
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: so like every every computer, like every electronic device that's

721
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 1: like may now has cult are in it. Which is

722
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: this thing that's almost entirely yeah, my mind by child

723
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: slave labor. And the Democrat Public compan was like, we're

724
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: not even making pyramids with it, Like we're making like

725
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 1: headphones that break after four minutes. It's like, yeah, we're

726
00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: making iPhones that are designed to stop working after two years. Yeah,

727
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 1: um you know yeah, no, I mean yeah, so okay, yeah,

728
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. And you know we saw this recently with

729
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: their they're like people who had been enslaved by by

730
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,399
Speaker 1: by by the contract growers you know, tried to sue

731
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: Nestle in court, but you know, because because because these

732
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,439
Speaker 1: are because Nestli is buying from middlemen and not buying

733
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: you like, owning the slaves directly. They you know, in

734
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: court they were just like, ah, it wasn't us, it

735
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 1: was our suppliers. Nothing we can do about it. And

736
00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, the ever thing. The great thing about American

737
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 1: contract law, it is literally written into law right, It's like,

738
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: there's great examples in California, but you know it's written

739
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: into law bread in corporate law that if you are

740
00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: a contractor right for a company and you know the

741
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: deals you sign that a MultiMate homing contractor makes it

742
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: so that if you like do slavery, you have to

743
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:08,920
Speaker 1: claim in court that it was you when not the

744
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: company above you, which is yeah, this is it's great. Yeah, yeah,

745
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 1: and yeah you love to see it. Yeah, it's it's great.

746
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: And you know, because Nestley's production is set up exactly

747
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: the same ways. Three Deers is like, the people who

748
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Nestle enslaved lost just a freme court case when I

749
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: tried to see them because they couldn't prove that Nestlee

750
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 1: directly ordered the slavery. And then because because it didn't

751
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:36,680
Speaker 1: happen in the US, it once I couldn't prove that

752
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: once that it didn't happen in the US, they never

753
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: standing to sue an American course. So yeah, this is yeah,

754
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: So there's this whole legal framework that that's set up,

755
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: and this this happens everywhere to to to use these

756
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: contractors to do crime. And in the Chinese case of

757
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 1: three deers, you get exactly the same thing. You know,

758
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 1: you have the middleman and contractors, who are the people

759
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: who are doping this milk and you know I doping.

760
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: It's like they're they're they're putting additives into the milk

761
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,879
Speaker 1: just to fake the test of faith about the approaching count.

762
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: And you know, and by by getting the middleman to

763
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: do it possible with my ability and you know, if

764
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 1: things like go wrong, you can just blame the farmers. No, no,

765
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: I will say this, So some farmers are desperate enough

766
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: to put additives into their milk themselves. Um, but and

767
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you know, and and the farmers in the media, the

768
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: people who get blamed for this, but you know a

769
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: lot of them, and even the people who are doing it,

770
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: like they don't know what they're like putting into the milk,

771
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: so they just assume that it's like fine. But you

772
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: know this, this, this, this turns into a huge problem

773
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: because you know, the combination is sort of the incredible

774
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:36,480
Speaker 1: greed of these large bomb business owners and the desperation

775
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:38,600
Speaker 1: of these farmers leads to a series of really bad

776
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: milk scandals the well, one of the more famous instances

777
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: of like the worst instance I think um was was

778
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: the fake milk scandal two thousand four, where a bunch

779
00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 1: of just fake baby powder was made with regular milk

780
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,480
Speaker 1: and not you know, like hyprotein milk was sold to

781
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of extreme cor rural farmers and the result

782
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: of this fifty babies dicee and malnutrition because you know,

783
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: the milk didn't give the nutrients that they needed, so

784
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: they just they starved. And yeah, that's what babies do

785
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,360
Speaker 1: when you don't Yeah yeah yeah. And this, you know this,

786
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: this this pisces off everyone because here's a bunch of

787
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: dead babies who started to death, and there's a huge

788
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: crackdown and a bunch of people, including party officials, get arrested,

789
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: and you know the result of this is there's a

790
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: whole series of these very high profile attempts by the

791
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: party to get the problem with food safety and fake

792
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: food and fake drugs under control. And this culminates in

793
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: the CCP executing the head of their Food and Drug

794
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: Administration for taking bribes from a pharmaceutical company promote their products,

795
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,320
Speaker 1: like they kill a cabinet level official, and it doesn't

796
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,479
Speaker 1: do anything, because the problem isn't about sort of isn't

797
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: about just sort of individual corruption. It's structural. And you

798
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: know this is this is sort of a structural problem

799
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: with capitalism. Like the cheapest and easiest way to make

800
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: money is just to scam people. And you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

801
00:39:56,040 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: it's always the best way to make money. Yeah, we

802
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 1: we have seen this. This, this is one of the

803
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 1: running the eames of behind the Bastards is get rich,

804
00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: scam people. And you know, cutting corners and even just

805
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: like making fake stuff doesn't work, makes you an incredible

806
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: amount of money. And you know, the longer you can

807
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: keep the scam going, the better off you are. And

808
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,959
Speaker 1: you know this is this is the way the intent

809
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,280
Speaker 1: of structure works everywhere. The only reason that food safety

810
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 1: is as good as it is, and like Europe is

811
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: that you know, food safety was a key demand of

812
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: sort of the workers who have been in progressive reformers

813
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 1: were able to get these food safety rightular is put

814
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,160
Speaker 1: in place. But you know, and I kind of slice

815
00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 1: this enough, and don't worry, folks, they're dismantling it. They're

816
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 1: dismant don't worry. They'll get rid of those food safety

817
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: regulations in Europe here everywhere. Don't worry people. Yeah, well,

818
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,960
Speaker 1: the soon you will be free to eat poison. Oh,

819
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: don't worry. Europeans also eat poison. Um. Even the controls

820
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: are put in place like don't work all that well. So,

821
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 1: for example, like in France, there's this massive scandal in

822
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties where it revealed the Socialist Party

823
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: had been sending blood drawn from prisoners with HIV and

824
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: hepatitis and selling it to Bear Pharmaceuticals that Bear could

825
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: make a drug for hemophelia. Actually, so you love to

826
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 1: see it. Damn. That's that's that's the that's the that's

827
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: what people come to behind the bastards for is that France,

828
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: the French Socialist Party selling HIV tainted blood to big

829
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: farmer and the prisoners and then and then I think

830
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: this has like a reverbraining scandals because the British government

831
00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: like knows that it's this drug is poisoned and gives

832
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 1: it to people anyways. It's yeah, and you know, and

833
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: this is this is the sort of last part of

834
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: the incentive structure at play with with unsafe food and drugs,

835
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:34,760
Speaker 1: which is state officials trying to make money for themselves

836
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 1: and their political clients. And you know, this is the

837
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: cause of food safety issues in all capitalist countries, but

838
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: China in particular has you know, it has a more

839
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: intense version of this because there's this really really fierce

840
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: competition between different local governments over GDP growth rates. Because

841
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: you know, if you're Chinese official, right, like, the way

842
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: you move up in the party is by how you're

843
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: sort of your local and provincial you know, you're you're

844
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: a cadre, right, you're in charge of the city, you're

845
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: in charge of the town. The way the way you're

846
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: evaluated and how you open the party is mostly based

847
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: on on how high your GDP radio is. Now this

848
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,879
Speaker 1: means that you know, if you think socialists, yeah, it's

849
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: it's great, it's it's incredible they It's also it's also

850
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: funny because like one of the big things in across

851
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: the whole sort of like really eighties and nineties and

852
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: is still going on today, was like one of the

853
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: big sub socialist projects is about how GDP is like

854
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,799
Speaker 1: a completely bullshit metric of like economic growth at China

855
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 1: is like no, no, no, our cadre evaluations are all

856
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: GDP now and and this means that you know, the

857
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 1: countries will sign off on just literally anything that that

858
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: they think will just like cause any growth whatsoever. So luckily,

859
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: in the US we do not have the problem of

860
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 1: bribery because giving money to politicians and exchange for political

861
00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: favors is in fact legal and thus definitionally not bribery.

862
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 1: But unfortunately for corporations in China, yeah, yeah, Unfortunately for

863
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 1: for corporations in China, China is an absolute one party

864
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: capitalistic tatorship, which means you have to bribe politicians the

865
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: old fashioned way, like socialism intended. Do you know who

866
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: won't bribe Chinese regulators in order to poison their milk?

867
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: I mean definitely not our sponsors, because they are actively

868
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: bribing Chinese regulators as we speak, regulators of all nations.

869
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: You know, we we we only go with the locust corporations.

870
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: So they'll bribe Chinese regulators, they'll bribe Zimbabwean regulators, they'll

871
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: bribe regulators from Latin America, They'll bribe regulators from anywhere

872
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 1: in the world. That's the behind the bastards guarantee everyone's

873
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: getting bribed. Here's here's ads, Chris, you know it, did it?

874
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: Did it? Did occur to me that you know that

875
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: that whole system you just kind of set up whereby

876
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: these these Chinese farmers are essentially recre eating the gig

877
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: economy in order to maximize the their profits at the

878
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: expense of both the people receiving the milk and the

879
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: people who who who labor for them. But but aren't

880
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: you know, full full partners in the endeavor. Um, we're

881
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: kind of doing that with podcasting. Yeah, yeah, that's it's good.

882
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 1: I love I love I love doing things that succeed

883
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 1: for everybody. So Chris uh please please continue your podcast

884
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: share now. You know so so that the other thing

885
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,799
Speaker 1: about China is that you know, so you can buy politicians, right,

886
00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: but you can also you can also literally bribe the

887
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: regulators directly, and you know, okay, so so Chinese regulation, um,

888
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: you know, so so when Chinese regulators are not literally

889
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,400
Speaker 1: representatives from the corporation they're supposed to be regulating, you know,

890
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:53,319
Speaker 1: you get corruption. Like you know, we saw you let

891
00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:55,239
Speaker 1: the CCP executed the due too as their head of

892
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 1: the state food or administration. The corruption goes for the

893
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:00,800
Speaker 1: local level all the way to the top. And and

894
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,720
Speaker 1: corruption among regulators is so bad that when a Chinese

895
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: state journalist like took maternity leave and wound up making

896
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: a documentary and air pollution after her baby developed a

897
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,680
Speaker 1: tumor well in the womb because the air quality was

898
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: so bad, she she like looked at the US as

899
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 1: a bottle of a country with a functioning regulatory apparatus.

900
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: And you know, again this is this is interesting because

901
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: this isn't sort of just like partisan hack criticism, right

902
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: like this is this this is the Chinese state Uh,

903
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:31,120
Speaker 1: this is the Chinese state journalists. And you know, and

904
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: the CCP thinks that the issues that she's bringing up,

905
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 1: like are valid enough that there's talk about she's called

906
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,600
Speaker 1: under the dome, and they think the issues are valid

907
00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: enough that they don't ban it. This is you know,

908
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: this is a documentary that's very critical at the party,

909
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 1: and they don't ban it for the first week that

910
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 1: it's released. And you know, this is this is one

911
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: of the ways the CCP sort of like tacitly allows

912
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: criticism to be made because you know, okay, so you

913
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,279
Speaker 1: can't actually just have free criticism their right. But you know,

914
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 1: they were like, okay, we'll we'll ban it eventually, boil

915
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:02,479
Speaker 1: that people see it first. And the thing they were like, okay,

916
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,360
Speaker 1: we need to let people see is Chinese regulatory corruption

917
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: is so bad it makes people long for the American

918
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: the amazing safety system the US. Yeah, it's it's it's bad. Yeah.

919
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Now ab two thousand seven, Chinese authorities are you know,

920
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,399
Speaker 1: they're not unaware of the practice of putting additives into milk,

921
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: and this kicks off this kind of regulatory cold war

922
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,799
Speaker 1: between additive manufacturers and the regulators who like actually don't

923
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: care about not poisoning children. And you know, so the

924
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: regulators change or techniques to detect like the chemicals that

925
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 1: people are using, and people change the chemicals and there's

926
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: this there's this whole sort of cold war and it

927
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 1: starts to get worse in late two tho as the

928
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,280
Speaker 1: CCP imposes price controls a baby formulas an anti poverty measure.

929
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,719
Speaker 1: Now this is not like a bad thing inherently, like

930
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: in principle, but you know, if you're dealing with like

931
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: a state owned firm that's designed to actually produce goods

932
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: for people and not designed to make money, this can

933
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: actually work. Um. But you know, the price controls had

934
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: these weird unto the consequences when applied to you know,

935
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: the three deer three deer, the contract worker co Opal

936
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,680
Speaker 1: and you know so so three years and the other

937
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,840
Speaker 1: the other milk companies just sort of pass on the

938
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: added costs, and the pricing strows down to the middleman,

939
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:15,960
Speaker 1: and the middleman are like, okay, well we'll pass the

940
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: price out of the farmers. Now this escalates the regulatory

941
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: cold war because the price for like regular milk just implodes, um,

942
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: and people start adding these incredibly dangerous chemicals, like more

943
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: dangerous than that I've already been using to the milk

944
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: to to fake these tests and those normal. One of

945
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 1: this is melanine. Now, melanine is a chemical that is

946
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 1: normally used to make plastics. Um, it's common in you know,

947
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: so that sounds like something babies need a lot of Yeah,

948
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: because babies are basically mostly plastic. Yeah, and it's completely healthy.

949
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: It's like that. That's why it's why you let them

950
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 1: eat dishes, or when when the baby starts chomping on

951
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,600
Speaker 1: a countertop, it's like, we've gotta get the mel mean,

952
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 1: you got you gotta let them eat this countertop. You

953
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: got to get that melon. Yeah. Absolutely, that's why I

954
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: feed babies nothing but pure plastic. What I filter out.

955
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 1: I get one of those facial scrubbers with the little microbeads,

956
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: and I filter out those microbeads and I just funnel

957
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:06,839
Speaker 1: it right into the baby's mouth, and that that keeps

958
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: them healthy. Yeah. Toxic, yeah yeah, yeah, but babies are

959
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:23,239
Speaker 1: mostly poisoned by way right babies. Yeah. So oh boy.

960
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 1: So unfortunately for people who like babies Melanian. So if

961
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: you ingest it, it causes you to develop kidney stones Jesus, Yeah, babies.

962
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 1: So babies are getting kidney sounds. I mean I hate that.

963
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, so you know. But on the other hand,

964
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's really unless you're specifically looking for it,

965
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: it's extremely hard to detect because basically what does it

966
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: So the p the like more refined protein tests are

967
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: like testing for level of nitrogen in it, because love

968
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 1: of the nitrogen in the thing tells you how much

969
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: protein there is. And this thing like boost level of nitrogen.

970
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: And so you know when people start getting desperate, they're

971
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: like a skirt, we'll we'll put plastic into this, will

972
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,320
Speaker 1: put this chemical and you know, this stuff starts getting

973
00:49:06,360 --> 00:49:08,479
Speaker 1: put in milk all acrash China in order to pass

974
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: off like shitty milk as like high quality baby formula milk.

975
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: But it's really just causing baby baby baby kidney stones. Yeah, dark,

976
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: I don't like that at all. Yeah, it's it's gonna

977
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: get worse. I mean. The good news is that when

978
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: you get kidney stones, doctors tend to advise like beer

979
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: is often advised because it helps you pass them. So really,

980
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: we just need to start getting those babies beer and

981
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: it'll the problem solves. Just mix beer in with the milk,

982
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: do a milk beer bong for the babies, and then

983
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,760
Speaker 1: the babies get nutrition and they pass the kidney stones

984
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 1: and everyone's happy. Right now, I can't think of a

985
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,279
Speaker 1: problem with that. Let's continue. Oh god, So in in

986
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: in November two seven, a man named Wong buy some

987
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: three to your Baby formula for his young daughter. Now

988
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: he holds onto this to the formula until or if

989
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 1: he doesn't ate, but when he starts using, he quickly

990
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 1: realizes there's something wrong with his daughter. It becomes incredibly

991
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 1: painful for her to go to the bathroom and her

992
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: urine has these weird particles in it. And eventually he

993
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: figures out the thing that's causing it as a powdered milk. So,

994
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: you know, he he makes what's you know, the normal

995
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: assumption if you buy something in China and it makes

996
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 1: you sick is that it's fake. So he calls Three

997
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: Deer Service hotline to confer with them. Is fake, and

998
00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:26,320
Speaker 1: you know, so so sometimes buying And in late February

999
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 1: they're they're sort of like doing bureaucratic stuff. Um. In

1000
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,520
Speaker 1: late February, he sends them some of the packages that

1001
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: he has left and they confirm, surprisingly the packages are

1002
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: not fake, they're real, and they tell long To to

1003
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: send the rest of the packages like to the company.

1004
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: Now Long should have been one of the big heroes

1005
00:50:45,640 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: of this story because he tells him the funk off

1006
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: because he's like, Okay, I want an actual examination of

1007
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 1: like what's making my what what made my baby like sick?

1008
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 1: And so so he goes to his local consumer associated

1009
00:50:56,239 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 1: Demand one. The problem is that the inspection for to

1010
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: figure out which one with his milk costs a third

1011
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:07,520
Speaker 1: of the average salary of a Chinese worker, and three

1012
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: DERs refuses to pay for it, so he spends the

1013
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: entire money he can't so he literally doesn't have the

1014
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:13,800
Speaker 1: money for so he spends the entire one sales and

1015
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 1: eight trying to fight his way through this just absolute

1016
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 1: bar cragic nightmare trying to figure out what's happened to

1017
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: his daughter and it comes to nothing. Um, now one

1018
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 1: is interesting. He actually posts about this online and a

1019
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 1: very thread very quickly is locked. But he's he becomes

1020
00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:32,919
Speaker 1: the first documented case of poisoning from three years powdered milk.

1021
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 1: Now well long is fighting this case. There is a

1022
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: massive earthquake in China that kills almost nine people. Jesus

1023
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:47,880
Speaker 1: and she quickly realizes that three Deers is sending the

1024
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: survivors free baby formula. And at this point he you

1025
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: know he does, because nothing goes with your family being

1026
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: wiped out by a national disaster like kidney said yeah, yeah,

1027
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 1: it's great, you know. So so she goes up the

1028
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: chain of command to try to stop it, and she

1029
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: gets nowhere and his gets completely ignored. Now, so this

1030
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,000
Speaker 1: is all this is happening in in something in March.

1031
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: Now in June, UM, Chinese doctors start to see something

1032
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,440
Speaker 1: they've never seen before. There's thousands of these babies were

1033
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:21,200
Speaker 1: almost altmore less than a year old, who are their

1034
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: bodies are completely swollen, they can't urinate, and they quickly

1035
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: realize when they start doing surgeries that they have kidney stones.

1036
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:32,040
Speaker 1: And you know that this is a really weird, like

1037
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 1: babies do not get kidney stones, Like it just doesn't.

1038
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: This just does not happen. So you know, the doctors

1039
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: begin to suspect something's going on with powdered milk, and

1040
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: they try to go to the press. Now, now a

1041
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: few Chinese journalists have been hearing basically the same story.

1042
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: And you know when when doctors, like a few doctors

1043
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,800
Speaker 1: starts showing up and confirming that you know, these babies

1044
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: in in in the hospital with kidney stones. Um, some

1045
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: journalist trying to publish the story. But the CCPs propaganda

1046
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: department and and yes, it is literally really called the

1047
00:53:01,040 --> 00:53:05,800
Speaker 1: Propaganda Department because yeah, I mean, oh boy, yeah, because

1048
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: I guess when it started, that was still a time

1049
00:53:07,719 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 1: when people used like there was a period of time

1050
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: where the term propaganda was often used openly and not

1051
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 1: as a negative. Yeah, you know. And also like when

1052
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 1: when it started, it was like like, you know, this

1053
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,439
Speaker 1: starts like this starts before the CCP is a state

1054
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 1: because you know, I mean, the propagated Department is just

1055
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 1: like a bunch of people passing up pamphlets and now

1056
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: it's the state censorship agency now. Yeah, and so and

1057
00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:31,279
Speaker 1: the reason they killed this story in large part is

1058
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,000
Speaker 1: because the Tasan eight Beijing Olympics. Now. I don't know

1059
00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: how many other people remember the tals and the Olympics,

1060
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: but that was the first Olympics I ever watched, and

1061
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: it was just an enormous, this huge deal for the

1062
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: Chinese government. Yeah yeah, and a lot of this is

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00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: trying to a bunch of I mean, like a lot

1064
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 1: of a lot of American conservatives got real real racist

1065
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 1: and stared about China because all the people drumming and stuff.

1066
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, and you know, yeah, it turned into

1067
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: this whole media debacle, and you know, part part of

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00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 1: what's happening. So China's a been in the World Trade

1069
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: Organization for like seven years, right, and that that was

1070
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 1: a sort of acceptance back into like the liberal community

1071
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 1: estates or whatever after Tianaman, which you know, actually it's

1072
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: just sort of you know, this is one of the

1073
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,760
Speaker 1: other weird things about history. So China was actually pretty

1074
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:15,720
Speaker 1: popular in the US like through most of the eighties

1075
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: because they've been in like an American ally and the

1076
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: cold Board. You know, this is why I think it's

1077
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,480
Speaker 1: uh yeah, like I'm pretty sure in Red Dawn, it's

1078
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: like the two countries that are left are China in

1079
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,719
Speaker 1: the US, who are like fighting the Soviets. But you know,

1080
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,839
Speaker 1: after Tianna, man, like all of that sort of good

1081
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 1: will like implodes and they speaking, you know, and this

1082
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: means that like like the Seals and an Olympics becomes

1083
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 1: like all the journalists called China's coming out party is

1084
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: a huge international politics geopolitical event. And and I kind

1085
00:54:42,080 --> 00:54:45,560
Speaker 1: of emphasize this enough. International politics is just an enormous

1086
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 1: dick waving contest that kills people for no reason. My

1087
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: favorite example of this, and just to make it clear

1088
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 1: that China is not the only country that kills people

1089
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: for just bullshit internacal prestige points. Uh So, my favorite example,

1090
00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: it's the what happens right before the park A nuclear

1091
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 1: test band and nineteen in treaty in nineteen and sixty three,

1092
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: so you know, by by the sixty three, everyone's has

1093
00:55:06,239 --> 00:55:09,239
Speaker 1: realized that testing nukes above ground is bad because you're

1094
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 1: radiating everyone. So you know, they signed a treaty it's like,

1095
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: don't do this, and then the day before the treaty

1096
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: goes into effect, both the US and the USS are

1097
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 1: spending an entire day dropping hundreds of nukes just for

1098
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 1: no reason. It's just like that they do this giant

1099
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 1: dick waving contest just to prove that they're like, oh hey,

1100
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:26,399
Speaker 1: look a look at how many nukes we can drop.

1101
00:55:26,520 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: And this kills an enormous number of people, but you know,

1102
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: it kills them slowly with cancer and sort of hard

1103
00:55:31,080 --> 00:55:33,279
Speaker 1: to trace, so nobody really talks about the fact that like,

1104
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: like thousands upon thousands of people died from just the

1105
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: US and the USS are just like having this dick

1106
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 1: waving contest for who has the most nukes, so, you know,

1107
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 1: and China's version of this is that they're they're absolutely

1108
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: determined that everything goes perfectly and there's no pr hiccups,

1109
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,879
Speaker 1: and so you know, I mean they they go like, okay,

1110
00:55:51,920 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: so they they use so much steel building the facilities

1111
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,280
Speaker 1: that there's a global steel shortage for four years afterwards.

1112
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,360
Speaker 1: Like they go to us, like they shot on fact frees.

1113
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: They bring in like a hundred twenty market workers who

1114
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:08,200
Speaker 1: they're paying a hundred thirty dollars a month because socialism. Um. Yeah,

1115
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: and and they even they even they have this thing

1116
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: I think the people might remember this. So they have

1117
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: these IBM supercomputers right that they're using to target clouds

1118
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,440
Speaker 1: with anti aircraft guns. So let's see these anti aircraft

1119
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: guns at the clouds to make it rain so that

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00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: it wouldn't rain like over the event itself. You know,

1121
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 1: I mean this is yeah, likely they are shooting they're

1122
00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: shooting guns at clouds in order to make sure it

1123
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:34,880
Speaker 1: doesn't rain. Like this is this is the levels or

1124
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 1: pr OP you're you're dealing with here. And so you know,

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00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: from from the start of the Games in August eighth

1126
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,759
Speaker 1: until the Olympics finish, there is literally no way the

1127
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 1: CCP is going to let a story about a food

1128
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 1: safety crisis spread to the Western press. Now, unfortunately for

1129
00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: the CCP, what they have on their hands is a

1130
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: massive food safety crisis. Now four months after the first

1131
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: cases reported three years begins to run tests on their

1132
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 1: round supply and they realize that basically their entire supply

1133
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:03,840
Speaker 1: of baby formulas contaminated with melamine. Now on August seconds,

1134
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:06,000
Speaker 1: they do the test come back in August one. On

1135
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:09,440
Speaker 1: August second, Three Deers has his frantic meeting with with

1136
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: Fonterra out just that yeah, the their international affiliate, and

1137
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,360
Speaker 1: Fonterra is like, okay, we need to do an immediate

1138
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: mass recall of all milk products because you know, we

1139
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: don't don't we don't know exactly what's back with melomine.

1140
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 1: And three Deers he's like, no, absolutely not under the

1141
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: rationale that you know, they don't want to have a

1142
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: scandal like six days before the start of the Olympics,

1143
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: and so they advocate for this very quiet, limited recall,

1144
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: and you know, they have this massive fight, there's all

1145
00:57:35,560 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 1: this weird corporate maneuver ring, but you know Three Deers

1146
00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: is being backed by the CCP, so you know, they

1147
00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:43,480
Speaker 1: win out and they immediately set out to cover up

1148
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: the story of you know, the fact that they're poisoning

1149
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: all these kids until the Olympics are over, and they yes,

1150
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,840
Speaker 1: they start like they start planting positive stories in local

1151
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: newspapers and TV stations like they have they have one

1152
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:00,160
Speaker 1: of their PR people pretend to be a journalist and

1153
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: write a piece about them and then get it published

1154
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:07,320
Speaker 1: like the get it published in the newspaper, and you know,

1155
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 1: and they also, I'm glad that stuff happens there too.

1156
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:12,400
Speaker 1: I was feeling bad about America for a while, but

1157
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: now I realize we're just part of a beautiful global

1158
00:58:14,880 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: community of pr flax pretending to be journalists in order

1159
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: to sell death. Yeah, it's great. That is That is

1160
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 1: like when celebrities called the paparazzi on themselves to get

1161
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: a good photo. Yeah, the other thing they did. And

1162
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: this is something well, okay, it wouldn't surprise me if

1163
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: Google does this, but I've never heard of them doing it.

1164
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 1: But three Dyears buys off China's large as search engine.

1165
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: Who the Surgeon has a feature where if you're a company,

1166
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:43,440
Speaker 1: you're like you're in the party, you can like you

1167
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 1: can pay them money to manipulate the results and so

1168
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,240
Speaker 1: they pay this money in the search engine ensures that

1169
00:58:48,560 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: like if you search from melamine or sick babies, it

1170
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:54,919
Speaker 1: won't get linked back to Fontera. And this this sort

1171
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:59,240
Speaker 1: of media blackout works. UM three Dyers and Fontera say

1172
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: nothing to the pub until the Olympics are nearly over.

1173
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: UM on August twenty two is like that. This two

1174
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,520
Speaker 1: days before the close of the games, and twenty days

1175
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: after they learned about this, Fontera finally reports the contamination

1176
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: to New Zealand Consulate and then New Zealand Consulate continues

1177
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: to sit on it until after the Games, however, because

1178
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,560
Speaker 1: they don't want to damage relations with China, and it's

1179
00:59:16,600 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 1: not until September eight that Helen Clark, the Prime Minister

1180
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 1: of New Zealand, formally and openly reports the contamnation of

1181
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 1: the Chinese governments. Now I'm I'm emphasizing the dates so

1182
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,960
Speaker 1: much because every single day that they delay means another

1183
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,640
Speaker 1: day where thousands of babies are drinking poison and are

1184
00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,280
Speaker 1: permanently damaging their kidneys trying to piss out kidney stones,

1185
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: and the results of the delay gad This is this

1186
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: is the first case is reported in February they like.

1187
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: The Chinese government finally reacts in September, and the results

1188
00:59:48,720 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: of this is that three hundred thousand babies get sick,

1189
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: fifty thousands are hospitalizing, six children die And I want

1190
00:59:57,480 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: to read this quote from the from the South China

1191
00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,160
Speaker 1: Morning Post, you can get a sense of the effect

1192
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 1: that this had. Holding her timuth own son in her

1193
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 1: arms at Beijing's Children's Hospital, Jooshooping cries as she tell

1194
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:10,360
Speaker 1: us how angry and shock she is to learn that

1195
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: the milk powder her son has been drinking could kill him.

1196
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: I couldn't fall asleep last night, she says. I feel

1197
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:19,240
Speaker 1: so bad for having fed my baby toxic milk powder

1198
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:22,000
Speaker 1: since the day he was born. Living on the main land,

1199
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,160
Speaker 1: we sort of know that our food is always contaminated,

1200
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,480
Speaker 1: but doing this to a vulnerable baby, the greedy businessmen

1201
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: are shameless. Yeah, it's people. Yeah, it's it's people are

1202
01:00:36,040 --> 01:00:39,840
Speaker 1: incredibly piste off. And you know the moment that the

1203
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,640
Speaker 1: cats out of the bag and CCP starts, you know,

1204
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: they bring all their guns to bear in the crisis,

1205
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: and they're you know, the their investigations quickly discovered that

1206
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:50,400
Speaker 1: it's not just three deers. Twenty two other milk companies

1207
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: have melamine in their milk. And you know, between three

1208
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 1: years and the twenty two other companies, that is almost

1209
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: the entirety of China's dairy industry. And you know that represents,

1210
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 1: by reasonable stanator systemic crisis. Now, the CCPs reaction to

1211
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:06,320
Speaker 1: this was to execute two dairy farmers and what a

1212
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: manufacturer of melamine and powder, and put nine more people,

1213
01:01:09,800 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 1: including the now Pete girl boss head of three deers,

1214
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,880
Speaker 1: in prison. And they also they fired a lot of

1215
01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: the local quadren that have been involved in the cover

1216
01:01:18,360 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 1: up and the like. They find the companies a little

1217
01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:22,960
Speaker 1: bit and yeah, and so they pay the kids who

1218
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 1: get kidding stones like dollars and then if you get

1219
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: more sick than that, you get four thousand dollars and

1220
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: if you die, they'll give you twenty nine dollars, which well, hey,

1221
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: that's a pretty I mean ship. Yeah, but the thing is,

1222
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to die for that kind of you know,

1223
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:41,800
Speaker 1: I've heard of worse payouts than that. But you know

1224
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,400
Speaker 1: the problem is that like nothing fundamentally changes about like

1225
01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:47,960
Speaker 1: the structure of the dairy market, and people get exturely

1226
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: piste about this because you know, this is a scandal

1227
01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 1: that affects almost the entire Chinese dairy industry and twelve

1228
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,480
Speaker 1: total people get get prosecuted for it, and so you know,

1229
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: the prevailing wouldn't been in China becomes that like the

1230
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,360
Speaker 1: CCP found a few convenient fall guys and are just

1231
01:02:03,560 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: you know, trying to sleep everything else under the rug. Yeah,

1232
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: it's bad. That's depressing, honestly. Yeah. You know the result

1233
01:02:12,800 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: of this is that, I mean some people wound up

1234
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 1: in prison. Yeah, and the CCP passes a bunch of

1235
01:02:17,720 --> 01:02:21,680
Speaker 1: food safety laws, but you know, this doesn't help, like,

1236
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: it doesn't solve the problem. And so you know, like

1237
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 1: the trust in the Chinese dairy market just implodes. And

1238
01:02:28,760 --> 01:02:30,919
Speaker 1: I mean people to this day still do not trust

1239
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 1: Chinese milk products like in China from you know, partially

1240
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,000
Speaker 1: from the memory of of the babies with kidney stones

1241
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: and partially because the stuff keeps happening. I mean, there

1242
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: hasn't been anything worse than the melomine crisis, like thank

1243
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:45,240
Speaker 1: god since then. But you know, like last year there

1244
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: was another fake milk scandal and five kids got rickets

1245
01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,640
Speaker 1: from mal nutrition, and so you know, people people are

1246
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:55,480
Speaker 1: extremely skeptical of Chinese milk brands. Now the one example

1247
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 1: that would be too yeah, yeah, it makes sense, right,

1248
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 1: There's there's one interesting exception to this, and you know

1249
01:03:02,560 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: the exception is there's there's there was one like Chinese

1250
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,440
Speaker 1: firm that emerged from the Melo Means scandal unscathed. And

1251
01:03:08,760 --> 01:03:10,160
Speaker 1: the way the reason they pulled this off are you

1252
01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:12,160
Speaker 1: able to pull this off because they don't use contract workers,

1253
01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: and so that means they actually like run their farms,

1254
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 1: and you know, with no middlemen, without contract farmers, you

1255
01:03:18,800 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 1: get like much better like quality like quality control, you

1256
01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,520
Speaker 1: get better milk. And you know, if you're going to

1257
01:03:25,600 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: run a farm like that, it's way harder to do crime.

1258
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,920
Speaker 1: But the problem is that this milk is more expensive,

1259
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: and that leads us to the final and maybe the

1260
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: most devastating part about the whole food safety problem. It

1261
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 1: affects the absolute poorest people in Chinese society. If you're rich,

1262
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: you don't have to eat this ship You can you

1263
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 1: can buy more expensive food than companies. You won't try

1264
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: to scam you. Yeah, you know, and I mean like

1265
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 1: like there's there's people go to like really elaborate efforts

1266
01:03:50,680 --> 01:03:53,360
Speaker 1: to do this, Like I so some of my family

1267
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: like works in the airline industry, and they talk about

1268
01:03:56,680 --> 01:04:00,120
Speaker 1: how people will, like so pilots who are like like

1269
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 1: flying up planes back from China the US will like

1270
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 1: go to American grocery stores and buy a bunch of

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Speaker 1: flour and stuff so you can bring it back because

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Speaker 1: they know that the American or at least they're okay

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Speaker 1: because the American food stety centers are better and so

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01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: you know, like yeah, so they bring it back for

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Speaker 1: their families. But you know, margaret workers and ural villagers

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01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: who come from the same place are all forced to

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Speaker 1: just roll the dice every time they buy food because

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Speaker 1: they don't make enough money to buy food they know

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Speaker 1: is real. And I want to close this by talking

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Speaker 1: a bit about like just how bad this problem is

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01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: and how many how many people it affects. So China

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01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 1: has two d and ninety million migrant workers. This is like,

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Speaker 1: this is if if you took the microtworker population of

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Speaker 1: China out and made them separate country, wuld be the

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01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:45,880
Speaker 1: fourth largest country on Earth. Um and China's entire economic

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01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,080
Speaker 1: system is based on making sure that this this migrant

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Speaker 1: worker population, which is of the population of the total

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01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: population of the US and industrial workforce. It's it's based

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Speaker 1: on making sure that these people don't get insurance that

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Speaker 1: you know that the insurance some non migrant workers get.

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Speaker 1: And the results of this and you know, this one

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01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: was off militure Americans. People just don't go to the

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01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 1: doctor unless they're literally dying. Yeah, so you know, we

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,560
Speaker 1: know what that's like. And you know, yeah, except you know,

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01:05:13,800 --> 01:05:17,600
Speaker 1: but but it's it's even worse here because the people

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01:05:17,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: who can't afford to buy food that they know isn't

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01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: fake are the people who can't afford to go to

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Speaker 1: the doctor. And and in real areas even worse because

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01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,320
Speaker 1: the local clinics they don't even have they don't have doctors,

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01:05:26,360 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: don't even have nurses because you know, the Chinese healthcare

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01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:34,000
Speaker 1: system is enormously overstrained, and you know, and this this

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01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 1: is how you get real children dying of malnutrition from

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01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: fake milk. You know, if if you know, if if

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01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,800
Speaker 1: if the signs have been caught early enough or like,

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01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 1: if they were medical care, then these people wouldn't have died.

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01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: But you know, their parents don't have acts as to

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01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 1: medical care, and so they don't know what's wrong until

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01:05:48,320 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: it's too late. In the baby store off to death

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01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,360
Speaker 1: and yeah that that that that's that's where we're gonna

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01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: leave it today with starving babies, and A reminded that

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01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: China now has more billionaires in the US and yet

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01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: somehow workers in both countries don't have healthcare. I mean,

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 1: they did put some of these people behind bars, which

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01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: is more than happened with Nestley. I think, so, yeah,

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01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,880
Speaker 1: that's something. Yeah, I mean, but it's you know, like

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01:06:12,040 --> 01:06:14,280
Speaker 1: they're they're doing this is one of the things that

1317
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 1: that's different about the CCP than than the U S

1318
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 1: is that like, okay, politicians in the US like do

1319
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:22,919
Speaker 1: not fear us, like they're not afraid. They just yeah,

1320
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: whereas you know, Chinese peliticians like you know, like they

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01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: they actually understand that like large numbers of people like

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01:06:31,440 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 1: massing and opposing them is dangerous. And that means that

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01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, they do these kind of like symbolic like oh,

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01:06:36,360 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 1: they'll they'll arrest twelve people, they'll they'll shoot like a

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01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:41,960
Speaker 1: cabinet member, but you know, they do that so that

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01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,240
Speaker 1: they they do that and then they throw off people

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01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: under the bus and tell people sort of stop being angry,

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01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 1: and then you know, just everything goes on as normal

1329
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:54,600
Speaker 1: and it's it's extremely bleak. Yeah. I was depressing, Chris,

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01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean in some ways it

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01:07:00,520 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: was depressing. But I think we do have to keep

1332
01:07:03,240 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 1: in mind that a lot of value was created for

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01:07:07,080 --> 01:07:10,880
Speaker 1: for for people with with money, a lot of you know,

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01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just don't just think of the

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01:07:15,160 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: dead children, think of the I think of the economic

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01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: stimulus created by their deaths. You know. That's that's that's

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01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: the real way we can honor their sacrifice and Kensie

1338
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,800
Speaker 1: and stimulus. Yeah, Kensie and stimulus via payouts the dead

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01:07:29,840 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: to the parents of dead babies. This is how, this

1340
01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:35,919
Speaker 1: is how it's it's a perfect closed loop economy. Well

1341
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:42,040
Speaker 1: fun okay, Kenny plug Chris, Um, if you want to

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01:07:42,080 --> 01:07:45,960
Speaker 1: see me complain more about all of this. Um, I'm

1343
01:07:46,200 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: at it. B C h R three on Twitter or

1344
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 1: the ice must be destroyed guy, Um, yeah, I I

1345
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: have I have a substant called the long twenty century. Jesus,

1346
01:07:56,640 --> 01:07:59,120
Speaker 1: it has been a long century so far. I'm I

1347
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 1: support kind moving up to the already, Like, let's just

1348
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:06,800
Speaker 1: do it. We're done with Yeah, I'm down to skip.

1349
01:08:06,920 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: Let's let's roll along. Um yeah, so I don't know,

1350
01:08:12,640 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 1: this has been behind the bastards. You can find us

1351
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 1: where you just found us, because you already know where

1352
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 1: to find us. So like, why am I telling you

1353
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 1: where you can find us. You've been here before, You're

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01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:26,000
Speaker 1: you're here right now. Um yeah, I have a book

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01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,080
Speaker 1: called After the Revolution. You can find it on a

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01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:30,400
Speaker 1: t r book dot com as a free e pub

1357
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,960
Speaker 1: you can find it as a podcast and After the Revolution.

1358
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: Um so, so check that ship out and uh, I

1359
01:08:38,640 --> 01:08:43,400
Speaker 1: don't know, go uh go buy some baby formula and

1360
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 1: don't drink it because it will make you pe rocks.

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01:08:48,560 --> 01:08:50,880
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Initially I was going to plug the go

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01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:53,880
Speaker 1: fund me for the sequel to my book U After

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01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:55,840
Speaker 1: the Revolution, which you can find at a t r

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01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,839
Speaker 1: book dot com. But um, here in the Pacific Northwest,

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01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: we're having an and precedented heat wave and it's causing

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01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 1: disastrous conditions, life threatening conditions for a lot of houseless people,

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01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people without air conditioning. Um particularly in

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01:09:09,439 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: the city of Salem. UM activists everywhere have been kind

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,559
Speaker 1: of gathering to try and um mitigate, set up cooling stations,

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01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:18,679
Speaker 1: hand out cold drinks, to do things to help people

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:20,960
Speaker 1: get their temperature down. UM, I want to try and

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01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:24,439
Speaker 1: raise funds for the Free Fridge of Salem, UM, which

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01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,679
Speaker 1: are doing cooling stations in the capital of Oregon, Salem.

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01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 1: So if you go to venmo At Free Fridge Salem,

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01:09:31,080 --> 01:09:33,760
Speaker 1: that's venmo At Free Fridge Salem, and send them a

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01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:36,920
Speaker 1: couple of bucks, they could really use it. UM. Local

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01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,360
Speaker 1: government has destroyed a number like police particularly have destroyed

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01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 1: a number of water and cooling stations they've set out. Um,

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01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: it's you know, we're not going to be in triple

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01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: digit heats for the next couple of days after I'm

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01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:50,200
Speaker 1: recording this on Monday, but it's still going to be

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01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:53,160
Speaker 1: very hot. People still need this, So please venmo At

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01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: Free Fridge Salem if you have the wherewithal and the

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Speaker 1: financial resources to do so. One more time, the venemo

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Speaker 1: is at Free Fridge Salem. Thanks m