1 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: Welcome to Before Breakfast, a production of iHeartRadio. Good Morning. 2 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: This is Laura, Welcome to the Before Breakfast podcast. Today's 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:16,759 Speaker 1: episode is going to be a longer one part of 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: the series where I interview fascinating people about how they 5 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: take their days from great to awesome and any advice 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: they have for the rest of us. So today I 7 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 1: am excited to welcome Jenny Mars to Before Breakfast. Jenny 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: is the co host of the show Fixed to Fabulous. 9 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 1: She is also the author of the brand new book 10 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: Trust God, Love People. Jenny, Welcome to the show. 11 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. 12 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, excited to have you here. 13 00:00:42,760 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 14 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: So why don't you tell our listeners a little bit 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: about yourself? 16 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: Okay, I live in Bentonville, Arkansas, originally from Florida, but 17 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: I've been here for twenty years, so this is home. 18 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 2: I have five kids, ranging in age from fifteen to six. 19 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 2: I think you have five kids too, don't I do? 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 2: Eighteen to five? So we're sort of, you know, overlapping 21 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,119 Speaker 2: a big shop. Yes, you have the same, the little 22 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 2: one that's like keeping us young. Yes, I love that, okay. 23 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 2: And we live on a farm. We have animals, we 24 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 2: have a nonprofit blueberry farm where families come and pick 25 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: blueberries in the summer and we donate the proceeds from 26 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 2: that blueberry farm. And we have a trade school for 27 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: orphaned and vulnerable teens in Zimbabwe. One of our daughters 28 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: is I was originally born in the Congo. She was 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 2: adopted and we through the you know, God connections, we 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: were working in the Congo, and then we had friends 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: in Zimbabwe and so this whole it's a long story, 32 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 2: but we're now working in Zimbabwe and the Congo actually 33 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 2: as well. Let's see, I have my husband and I 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: have been building and remodeling homes here in our area 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: and well, he started in two thousand and four. I 36 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 2: joined him full time in two thousand and eleven, twenty twelve, 37 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:13,840 Speaker 2: and we had HDTV approach es in twenty and sixteen, 38 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:18,359 Speaker 2: I think, and so we've been We reluctantly said yes. 39 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: We didn't really know about doing a show. We're like, 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 2: that's kind of crazy, we don't know if we want 41 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 2: to do that, but we felt like it was something 42 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: that God was asking us to do and he would 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 2: use in some way. We didn't really know why or how, 44 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 2: but we just trusted that he would, and now here 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 2: we are. We're now currently filming season seven. Our show 46 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: is called Fixer to Fabulous and we renovate homes in 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 2: our town. And yeah, it's been a wild journey and 48 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: we just are, you know, plugging along. We just do 49 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: life like everybody else. It's mass chaos right now, summer 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 2: break and it's complete chaos in our house, and we 51 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: sometimes have cameras following us around, but otherwise we're just 52 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: normally going to work and doing life. 53 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: Writing HGTV host wasn't on your list of things you 54 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: wanted to be when you were growing. 55 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: Up, No, not at all. I did actually want to always. 56 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 2: I always wanted to be a writer and an author, 57 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: and so I've always been and I've always been very creative. 58 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 2: I was in advertising, and that was my original path 59 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 2: that I thought advertising, public relations and along there because 60 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: I liked writing, have always loved photography, and design just 61 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 2: sort of happened because my husband, I didn't study it. 62 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 2: My husband was a builder. He grew up his dad 63 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 2: was a builder, and he went into corporate America because 64 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: he didn't want to do what his dad did. And 65 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: then that's actually when we met out right after college 66 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: and then he decided, no, I really don't like corporate America. 67 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: I need to be doing something with my hands and build, 68 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: and so we moved here. He started building homes and 69 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 2: I just helped him because he can build really, really 70 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 2: well and build pretty much anything. He's incredible. He's incredible craftsman. 71 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: But he doesn't really care about things like paint, colors 72 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 2: and countertops and you know, the pretty details that I 73 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: really care about, So I would just help them. On 74 00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 2: the side. I had the full time job and then 75 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 2: eventually quit my job, and we did build the business together. 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: But no, never had that. I never even thought this 77 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: would be my job, much less have cameras following us either. 78 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely not on my radar. 79 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll talk about the cameras in a minute, 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: for sure. But your new book I actually want to 81 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,479 Speaker 1: talk with you about is trust, God, love people. A 82 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: lot of it is about waiting for various things. Yeah, 83 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: and this is obviously a show about time. Is a 84 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: time management show, and waiting is one of those awkward 85 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: topics in the field of time management, and particularly your 86 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: book is about, you know, waiting for things with uncertain timelines, 87 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: particularly about like growing your family. 88 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 2: Can you a little bit about that. Yes, I know, 89 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 2: it's it's it was fun to write about now, you know, 90 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 2: with it in the rear view mirror, but it's not 91 00:05:11,320 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 2: fun when you're living in that season of uncertainty at all. Yeah. So, 92 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 2: I mean went through a lot of uncertainty first trying 93 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 2: to have a family, trying to you know, start our family. 94 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: Then I had our twins, which that's a whole long story, 95 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 2: but then we started our adoption process and that was 96 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: another very tumultuous time. Basically what happened was we started 97 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 2: the process before I got pregnant with the twins, got 98 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 2: pregnant with the twins, restarted our process, and then we 99 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 2: had this little girl come to I mean, we just 100 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 2: got I got an email from a waiting child website 101 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 2: that I had been I'd been receiving these emails for 102 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: years at this point. And it wasn't that I was like, oh, 103 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 2: you know every wild oh that's my you know, that's 104 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: my child. But this one was we knew when we 105 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 2: saw her face, it was we knew something was you know, 106 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 2: we were stirred and thinking this could be our daughter. 107 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 2: And so it was very we had to switch everything, 108 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 2: We had to actually we were in the program for Ethiopia, 109 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:19,479 Speaker 2: and we found out she was in the Congo with 110 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 2: a different agency, so we basically had to start over 111 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 2: once we decided to pursue her adoption. But when we 112 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 2: started that process again with her, we thought, okay, it'll 113 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 2: probably take based on timelines and based on how long 114 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 2: everything takes, because everything does take a long time and 115 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 2: there's a lot of work things and all of that. 116 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 2: We thought about nine months would be the full timeline 117 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: we would have her home, and everything just kept getting 118 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 2: delayed and getting delayed. But once we finally had her 119 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,599 Speaker 2: adoption finalized, we had her US visa, we were officially 120 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: her adoptive pearance, and we visited her for the first 121 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,840 Speaker 2: time in person after that because we didn't want to 122 00:07:01,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 2: meet her to meet us until we knew this was 123 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 2: legal and we were because it was all very uncertain 124 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,360 Speaker 2: up until that point if it was even going to happen. 125 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: And when we left there that was in August, and 126 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 2: we thought we'd be back in about a month to 127 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 2: come back and then bring her home, and right after 128 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: we left, the country shut down adoption, letting adoptive kids 129 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 2: leave the country. Still to this day, I don't really 130 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: know all of the ins and outs. There's a lot 131 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 2: of political stuff happening that we didn't know about or why. 132 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 2: But it then took us another about year and a 133 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 2: half to get our home, and so that I think 134 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: was that period was probably the hardest because we had 135 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 2: seen where she was living and in the condition she 136 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 2: was living in, and she was sick a lot. She 137 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 2: wasn't being fed very often, and we got her moved 138 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 2: to a foster home. But it was still very hard 139 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 2: because we never knew Sorry, I think that's my dog, 140 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: Will you let Jack out? Sorry you heard a noise 141 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,360 Speaker 2: in the background. I'm so sorry. Okay, So we never knew, 142 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: you know, if she was okay. Every day we would 143 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: I would wake up in the morning and check. I'm like, 144 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: did we get any news house Sylvie? And you know, 145 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: she was in and out of the hospital a lot, 146 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 2: and so just trying to just that weight was awful. 147 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 2: My husband ended up flying back and forth several times. 148 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 2: I ended I actually I was pregnant with our daughter, 149 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: our youngest daughter, Charlotte. I had no you know, that 150 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:44,240 Speaker 2: was a total surprise. And so then I couldn't go 151 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: back because I couldn't travel because I had a high 152 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: risk pregnancy, and so Dave was going back and forth 153 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 2: and we facetimed her all the time. But we got 154 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 2: to a point where we really didn't know if she 155 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: was going to be able to come home ever, and 156 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 2: so we were starting to set up okay, continue plans. 157 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 2: Can she live full time with her foster parents and 158 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 2: we'll pay for her to go to school and all 159 00:09:05,600 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: those things. So yeah, in that period, I mean we 160 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: really just were It was very uncertain, and it was 161 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 2: very hard because again we didn't have an end time 162 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 2: and sight. It wasn't like we have this timeline and 163 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: this is what's going to happen. It was literally day 164 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 2: to day just praying and begging God and begging every 165 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 2: person we could and that I mean anybody that would 166 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 2: possibly have any connections that could help us. We were 167 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 2: just constantly advocating and trying to get her home just 168 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 2: because we wanted her to. I mean, we wanted her home. 169 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 2: There was an ache in our family because we were 170 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: waiting for her. But then also we didn't know if 171 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 2: she was safe, or eating or any of those things. 172 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 2: So it was that was probably Yeah, that was a 173 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: very difficult time. But at the same time God taught 174 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: us like I look back on that period and all 175 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,440 Speaker 2: the things that happened in our lives and what He 176 00:09:56,520 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: was preparing us for and the way, you know, I 177 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: talked about a blueberry farm, but the way He orchestrated 178 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,840 Speaker 2: relationships during that period so that we became very deeply 179 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: connected with so many people. We have deep friendships and 180 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: relationships with families in the Congo and in Zimbabwe and 181 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 2: in South Africa because of that waiting period. So there 182 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: was a lot of good that came out of it, 183 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 2: and I wouldn't have known that at the time. I 184 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: was just. 185 00:10:25,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely waiting for something that is uncertain, and you have 186 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,400 Speaker 1: to hold the end point in your mind that there 187 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,440 Speaker 1: will be something an outcome of this. We just have 188 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: no idea of the tuneyline. 189 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 2: So yeah, all right, We're going to take. 190 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: A quick ad break and then I will be back 191 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:51,440 Speaker 1: with more from Jenny Mars. Well, I am back talking 192 00:10:51,440 --> 00:10:54,160 Speaker 1: with Jenny mars who is the co host a Fixer 193 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 1: to Fabulous on HDTV. It is also the author of 194 00:10:56,920 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 1: the brand new book Trust God, Love People. I was 195 00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: practicing before and I kept mixing that up Love God, 196 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: Trust People. 197 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: I guess we can do both. 198 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:11,959 Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about though, you know, 199 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 1: your work with with HGTV here, because I know a 200 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: lot of listeners will be fascinated this, and I, Jenny, 201 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: I can tell you I recently renovated a historic home 202 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: that I'm living in now, and it was a sixteen 203 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: month process. Yes, each meeting with the Historic Commission is 204 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 1: longer than an episode of Fixer of Fabulous. So maybe 205 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: you can talk a little bit about the difference between 206 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 1: renovating for television and how renovating normally works. 207 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 2: Yes, well, I will say there's on average, for each episode, 208 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: we film about one hundred and twenty hours worth of 209 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 2: footage and then they have to edit it down to 210 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,079 Speaker 2: a forty two minute episode. So there is a lot 211 00:11:53,160 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 2: that happens that is not included. Because when you see 212 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 2: the you know, there's always a section where it's like 213 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: they're playing music and there's all we call you know, 214 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 2: the b roll of the work happening like that is 215 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,080 Speaker 2: not happening in a day. That is happening over a 216 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 2: lot of long period of time. Even still, I think, 217 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 2: you know, when we're renovating a home, our own home 218 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 2: or for clients outside of the show. Yes, it typically 219 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: takes at least a year, and Historic Home is going 220 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 2: to take longer even you know, two years is very 221 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: reasonable for a big restoration project. But for the show, 222 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:37,840 Speaker 2: we have to film you know, sixteen twelve to sixteen 223 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: episodes in we pretty much are filming year round. It 224 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: takes us about a year to film the whole season. 225 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 2: So there's twelve to sixteen houses depending on the season, 226 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: usually sixteen that we're renovating in that period of time. 227 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 2: So it's usually about ten to twelve weeks for a 228 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: house renovation. So it's definitely different. It's very different. Everything 229 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 2: has to and it took us a long time to 230 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: really figure it out. Honestly. The first season, well the 231 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 2: pilot episode was insane because we we renovated a historic 232 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: home in I think it was five weeks and we 233 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: just had the one and we were like, this is 234 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:25,840 Speaker 2: this is the hardest thing we've ever done. Like it's insane. 235 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: And so when we started season one, we realized we've 236 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 2: got to We've got to figure this out. How can 237 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 2: we possibly do multiple houses? Like this is just crazy. 238 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 2: So now that we're doing this sistar seventh year, we 239 00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 2: kind of have a better handle on it. But like 240 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 2: right now, we're run. We have eight houses going right now, 241 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 2: so and we're actually starting another one on Monday, so 242 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 2: we'll have but we're revealing another one on Tuesday, so 243 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 2: we'll go we'll start one close one, so we'll have 244 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: eight again. And so it's just kind of this like 245 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 2: rolling and so you have the house construction, but then 246 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 2: you have the production schedule, and so you have to 247 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 2: make sure when things are important things are happening, that 248 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: we have cameras there or else it's a problem, right, 249 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 2: Like wait, the cameras show back up and there was 250 00:14:15,880 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: no staircase, and then there's a staircase, and we never 251 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 2: showed the staircase being built. So we've learned. We've had 252 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 2: to learn like you have to wait on certain things. 253 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 2: And that was really hard for my husband as the contractor, 254 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 2: because he's like, I'm hiring these guys, I'm paying for 255 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: my guys to be here, I'm paying them by the hour, 256 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: and I have to tell them to just wait because 257 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 2: we need to film something, you know. So it was 258 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 2: a process to figure out how we finish the house 259 00:14:41,520 --> 00:14:44,120 Speaker 2: and actually how we make the show because the show 260 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 2: is more telling a story, which I love. I love 261 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 2: that part of it. It's the logistics that are really challenging. 262 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 2: And even from my perspective, I'm ordering and choosing all 263 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 2: them materials typically before we even start the house, before 264 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: we even begin demo, so everything has to be there 265 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 2: because we have to just it's it's so fast and 266 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: once it starts, it's like a fast moving train down 267 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 2: a mountain and you're just clinging on. So a lot 268 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: of times, you know, things will show up and they're broken, 269 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: or once we get into it, we change. You know, 270 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 2: as you know, you renovated a historic home, things never 271 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 2: go to plan, so you always have to pivot and 272 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 2: problem solve. And you know, we had this plan, but 273 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 2: then we got into it and this this everything changed 274 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 2: and so now all of the lights, for example, that 275 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 2: I ordered no longer work, you know, and you have 276 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 2: to just pivot and find something that you can Like 277 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 2: a lot of times we'll dig out things from our 278 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:52,520 Speaker 2: barn of like, oh wait, I have this light, we 279 00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 2: can use this. It's a lot of problem solving more so, 280 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: not even problem solving, I would say, it's a lot 281 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: of putting out fires more so than a traditional renovation 282 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: where you have the time to process and choose as 283 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 2: you go and make changes. And you know, it's from 284 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: my perspective, it's just constant putting out fires and constantly 285 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 2: just like okay, all right, well okay, that's not going 286 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,400 Speaker 2: to work. Let's do this, and you just have to 287 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 2: sort of go with it. But from home owner perspective, 288 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 2: they get to literally walk away from the house. So 289 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 2: it works for certain personalities and for other people like 290 00:16:29,240 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: for me, I couldn't do it, definitely, but it works 291 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 2: great for people that don't want to have to make 292 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 2: all those decisions. They want to say, here, you guys, 293 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: figure it out, I'll be back in eight weeks. And 294 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 2: that's truly what happens. They sign a contract that says 295 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: they will not come back to the house, so it 296 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 2: really is a surprise, and they come back and it's done, 297 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: and they get a house renovated. Like you said, you know, 298 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 2: typically you're waiting a year and a half two years 299 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 2: for a house to be renovated. They get it done 300 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 2: in two months, so it's amazing. Yeah, so there's a 301 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: lot of benefits, but it's also they really do turn 302 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 2: over control. I mean, we have a lot of meetings 303 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: behind the scenes where I find out. Okay, what do 304 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 2: you like? What do you do you like? You know, 305 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 2: I get there's a lot of stuff that happens in 306 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: the pre planning, so that because it is their house, 307 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: we're not doing stuff that you know, we think is 308 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 2: just cool for TV that they wouldn't really like, you know, 309 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:25,879 Speaker 2: so we have to make sure. But it is different 310 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 2: because typically when you're working with a client, you're walking 311 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:31,919 Speaker 2: through the process together and you're choosing things together and 312 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 2: you're making choices. We're this it's like I just I 313 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: have to make all the choice. I get their information 314 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 2: and then I just make the choices. Fascinating. Yeah, it's different. 315 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,960 Speaker 2: It's good. Yeah, but I know what lights you're going 316 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: to wind up with. 317 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: But there will be lights, so that's good. So I 318 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,359 Speaker 1: mean you've got this going on, you know, this this 319 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,120 Speaker 1: business that is all sorts of moving parts. You also 320 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: have five kids, as we mentioned, How do you organize 321 00:17:53,680 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: your schedule? I mean, do you have like a planning 322 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: time where you sit down and do it? I mean, 323 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: what's how does that work? 324 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:02,360 Speaker 2: Oh? Gosh, it's cal I would say, Okay, are there's 325 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 2: some order to it? 326 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: Because at the time pods. 327 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:12,479 Speaker 2: I survived day to day, I always say, but I 328 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:15,399 Speaker 2: do sit down. So I sit down at the beginning 329 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 2: of the month, and I'm very much like I like 330 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 2: to write. I have my you know, my calendar on 331 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 2: my phone, but I have I have it right here, 332 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 2: I have it everywhere I go. My little is just 333 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 2: the most simple thing. But I have my written calendar 334 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 2: that I can see the whole month, and then I 335 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,680 Speaker 2: put details. I have another planner where I put the details, 336 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 2: but I like to be able to see it. So 337 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 2: I sit down at the beginning of the month and 338 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 2: just sort of map out the month, and then backing 339 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: up when we get our production schedule, which is typically 340 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: in February for the year, I go through and mark 341 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:54,159 Speaker 2: production like filming days, because that's important for all the 342 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 2: planning of all the other things. But then each Sunday, 343 00:18:58,400 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 2: you know, especially during the school year, because the kid's 344 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: schedule is a full time job managing that. So on Sunday, 345 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: excuse me, I sit down and map out, Okay, here's 346 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: where everyone has to be and just what the week 347 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 2: looks like in more detail. But there is definitely day 348 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 2: to day planning, monthly planning, yearly planning. But it's also 349 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 2: feels like because of production. Sometimes things get like there's 350 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: just a like my planner gets thrown into a fire 351 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 2: pit and blown up. Sometimes like I had a great 352 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 2: plan and now it's what is happening? 353 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: So absolutely all right, Well we're going to take one 354 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,359 Speaker 1: more quick ad break and then I'll be back with 355 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:47,840 Speaker 1: more from Jenny Bars. So I am back talking with 356 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: Jenny Bars, who's co host of the show Fixer to Fabulous. 357 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: She's also the author of the brand new book Trust God, 358 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: Love People. So I know every day must be different 359 00:19:56,320 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 1: with your life, but I'm curious if you have any 360 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: routines that you rely on, either to stay sane or 361 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: to make you more productive. 362 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. So when we're so we're filming, we usually do 363 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: a week, so like we're filming this coming week, but 364 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 2: last week we weren't. So on the non filming weeks 365 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: they look very different than the filming weeks. Non filming 366 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 2: weeks or the time that we actually get caught up 367 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,399 Speaker 2: on all the work and the things. When I wrote 368 00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:25,000 Speaker 2: my book, so for example, when I was writing my book, 369 00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 2: I had writing days that I put into my calendar 370 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: and communicated that with everyone that those are days that 371 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 2: I'm not available at least for the first half of 372 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 2: the day, I typically had like get the kids to school, 373 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: and then I would hap until about noon was just 374 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 2: dedicated writing time, and I turned my phone off. I 375 00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: just everyone knew you cannot get in touch with me 376 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 2: unless it's an actual emergency, and that was I had 377 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 2: to do that, or else I never would have been 378 00:20:53,560 --> 00:20:58,160 Speaker 2: able to write this book. Ever, so certain things like that, 379 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: or on Fridays are typically my day to do these 380 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 2: kinds of things like podcasts and schedule calls. I have 381 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 2: another Zoom call right after this, and then it's also 382 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 2: my day to like try to catch up on emails 383 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:17,640 Speaker 2: because my job is weird in that I'm never at 384 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 2: my desk or at my at my computer. So Fridays 385 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 2: I always have is kind of like an office day 386 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: catch up day. But again it looks different because we're 387 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,160 Speaker 2: finishing a house next week, so this afternoon I'm heading 388 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 2: to the house to finish getting it ready, so I'm 389 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: not just sitting at my computer all day. Even though 390 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:35,639 Speaker 2: I would love a day to just catch up, I 391 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 2: never really have that. But during the week when we're filming, especially, 392 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 2: it's just a lot of running around because we're checking 393 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 2: in on projects, so I have my phone on me, 394 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 2: but then there's always you know, those emails that come 395 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 2: through that you're like, oh, I need to sit down 396 00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,679 Speaker 2: and like actually respond to this. I can't just do 397 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: a quick one off, and so my inbox is typically 398 00:21:57,480 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 2: like overloaded, and then I try to catch up on 399 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 2: frit so I don't know it's it's not it's not great. 400 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 2: And I also am like, well, I guess if it's 401 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 2: really important and I miss it, they'll ask me again. 402 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 2: That's what I do. 403 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: I'll get it the next Friday for sure. 404 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 405 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so Jenny, I always ask my guests the question 406 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: of what is something you have done recently to take 407 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: a day from great to awesome? 408 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:29,440 Speaker 2: Oh ah, that's interesting, hmm. I mean I think for 409 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:35,000 Speaker 2: me anytime, no matter how crazy the day is, I 410 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 2: always I think the one thing that keeps me sane. 411 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:41,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if this could help other working moms too, 412 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 2: is that when I am home, And again, I work 413 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 2: from home a lot, so sometimes I'm home but I'm 414 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 2: not really available, like right now my kids have to go. 415 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 2: I had this sitter come and get them because I'm like, 416 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: I have to record this. So I'm home, but i'm 417 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 2: not not working. But when I'm home and i'm not 418 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: working and I really have even if it's the middle 419 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 2: of the day and I do have an hour, I 420 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 2: shut it down and I just tried to be present 421 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 2: and I was. Just the other night, we got home 422 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 2: from a really long day of getting this house ready. 423 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,439 Speaker 2: So when we're about to reveal a house, we have 424 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: typically two to three days to get everything ready, which 425 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 2: is if you think about moving into your home and 426 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,360 Speaker 2: imagine having everything done in three days, it's a lot. 427 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,160 Speaker 2: You've all the little details. So it was a long 428 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: day and I got home and it was a good 429 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 2: day though, because it's a fun, creative day. It's just hard. 430 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 2: It's exhausting. But I got home and the kids were 431 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 2: outside and I was like, let's go out in the pasture. 432 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,680 Speaker 2: And we have animals. We have sheep. We just got 433 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 2: this new cow that is her name's Minnie, and she's 434 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 2: so cute. She's not a miniature cow, but she just 435 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 2: didn't grow. And so one of the cattle ranchers in 436 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,400 Speaker 2: the area had called my husband because he knew we'd 437 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 2: just taken all the animals, and he's like, I can't 438 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: afford this. I can't keep the her because he's actually 439 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 2: that's his job as a cattle rancher, and he's like, 440 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: she's too little. So now we have this little miniature cow, 441 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:09,600 Speaker 2: and she was really scared, and so it's become our 442 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 2: goal to make her like us and to be friendly. 443 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 2: And so the other day we went back out there 444 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 2: and we had treats, my kids and I and Minnie. 445 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 2: The cow walked up to us and ate from our 446 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:23,879 Speaker 2: hands and it was like you would have thought we 447 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: had just like won the Olympics, because we were so 448 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,880 Speaker 2: excited and we're like, oh my gosh, and we're making progress, 449 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:32,919 Speaker 2: and it was just such a great, sweet, amazing moment 450 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 2: and accomplishment because we've been working with her every day 451 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,919 Speaker 2: and I don't know, it was just like we were 452 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 2: so excited and it's silly because it's a cow, but 453 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 2: it felt like a huge win. And it really was 454 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 2: fun to watch my kids see, you know, feel that 455 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 2: sense of pride and accomplishment and also the way that 456 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 2: they are so compassionate towards animals, and so yeah, I 457 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: don't know that really was a long winded answer, but yeah, 458 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 2: spending time in the pastor with my kids just being 459 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 2: really intentional. Even if it's just, you know, one hour 460 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: together in the afternoon, it was really sweet. So yeah, 461 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:09,199 Speaker 2: I love it. I love it. 462 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm picturing this. Miniature cows not something I make sure 463 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 1: my kids do not listen to this because we will 464 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:17,440 Speaker 1: not be getting miniature cows. 465 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: But Tony, this has been great. Where can people find you? Okay? 466 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 2: So I really am only good at Instagram. I don't 467 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 2: I can't keep up with everything out So Jenny Mars 468 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 2: is my Instagram and that's where I'm pretty active. And 469 00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 2: then Jenny Mars dot com is my website. So easy, awesome, wonderful. 470 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: Well, Tenny, thank you so much for joining us. Thank 471 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: you to everyone for listening. 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