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Speaker 1: is Get the Money and Run. In today's episode, episode four,
Speaker 1: Joe recounts his glorious days of bank robbing. He robbed
Speaker 1: more than thirty banks in one fourteen months free and
Speaker 1: I admit he sure makes bank rubbing sound like fun.
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Speaker 3: You are listening to The Burden Season four, Get the
Speaker 3: Money and Run. I'm Benadir and this is episode four
Speaker 3: Life and Crimes.
Speaker 2: When did you rob your first bolt? That was December.
Speaker 4: And I was pissed that I only got ten thousand
Speaker 4: dollars with six bricks of money. But I was like, hey,
Speaker 4: I know how to do this now, let me you know,
Speaker 4: let me go back two months later, let me try
Speaker 4: it again. I mean I was let me get six
Speaker 4: other bricks of money. So I do the same thing.
Speaker 4: I walk in the same front door, not the back.
Speaker 3: I came to the same exact bank.
Speaker 4: Same freaking bank. And why did you do that? I
Speaker 4: was telling you I had scored here. I had gotten
Speaker 4: into the place easily. I just took the wrong amount
Speaker 4: of loot. So I'm like, I'm gonna do this again.
Speaker 4: It was easy.
Speaker 2: I now know how to dance in there easier.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be coming to the front. I can
Speaker 4: concentrate more of the money. Rip open the thing. See
Speaker 4: what I'm pulling out, that kind of thing before I
Speaker 4: take the money. I feel like confident this time, I'm
Speaker 4: gonna get twenties and fifties and hundreds.
Speaker 2: I walk in, I walk up to a woman.
Speaker 4: Who's at the front of the bank and I tell
Speaker 4: you tigma to the vaunt. But then I look over
Speaker 4: to my right and all the fucking staff are on me.
Speaker 2: They're looking at me. They're on the phone, they're like
Speaker 2: what I'm like.
Speaker 4: Everyone had clocked me coming in, and I realized, oh shit,
Speaker 4: Like I can't go one more minute in here, man,
Speaker 4: I like, they stop me. They they they blocked me
Speaker 4: to that fucking that vault. Man. They're like, you ain't
Speaker 4: getting that vault again. They recognized me instantly, and I
Speaker 4: thought I was just like I actually had a feeling
Speaker 4: a bullshit, you know, expectation that I could just blend in,
Speaker 4: I could just walk in with the rest of the
Speaker 4: people and just walk up and no, man, they were
Speaker 4: there to beat on me as soon as I walked
Speaker 4: in the front door, and so I just walked right up.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought it was like.
Speaker 4: Kind of a sexy bank robber, because you know, look
Speaker 4: at I had these clothes, and a couple of times
Speaker 4: I did some funny or you know, I did some
Speaker 4: cool getaway things. But I was I was not happy
Speaker 4: with the way I went. And I'm really recognizing that
Speaker 4: I was an amateur.
Speaker 2: H I'm not impressed. Yah h.
Speaker 3: Part one bank Bank Bank Bank, Bank Joe is the
Speaker 3: easiest bank you robbed.
Speaker 4: The easiest bank I robbed was actually in a mall,
Speaker 4: not like an indoor mall.
Speaker 3: It's like a walking plusa mall.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, there's an Orange County somewhere. And I
Speaker 4: walk in and it's super tiny. I mean, the lobby
Speaker 4: is so small that basically there's two or three taller's
Speaker 4: max and then to the left in the lobby is
Speaker 4: a little patch of carpet and one little tiny desk
Speaker 4: on there for the manager or somebody that's it. It's
Speaker 4: a little, barely nothing bank. And when I walk in,
Speaker 4: no customers, no manager, There's just two women in the
Speaker 4: tewer stations there in their stools talking to each other,
Speaker 4: head sideways, talking to each other. I walk in, they
Speaker 4: look at me. I look around and it is the
Speaker 4: most peculiar bank I've ever walked in. It's just it's
Speaker 4: almost like it's pretending to be a bank. It's so skinny, narrow, tiny,
Speaker 4: little cute lobby and these two women are looking at me,
Speaker 4: and I'm looking at them and I say, yeah, you
Speaker 4: know what this is.
Speaker 2: It's a robbery, give me your money.
Speaker 4: Just like I just like start walking up to them,
Speaker 4: like yeah, this is what this could just it was
Speaker 4: really peculiar, and they just start they look at me,
Speaker 4: and just like I say yeah, and I give maybe,
Speaker 4: give my spiel whatever. I don't have to do much
Speaker 4: to persuade him. They're like, let's do this, and they
Speaker 4: just start putting the money up. And they're putting the
Speaker 4: money up. So like I'm over here at this teller
Speaker 4: and I'm dumping money in my bag and I'm going
Speaker 4: to other dumping money in my bag. Oh you put
Speaker 4: some more money out, Let me go get that, and like,
Speaker 4: I just collect the money and I leave. The second
Speaker 4: other easiest robbery, but it was only one teller was
Speaker 4: a bank. I walked in and before I could finish
Speaker 4: my spiel, she started giving me the money.
Speaker 3: Like you didn't even ask for the money.
Speaker 4: She just I didn't even ask for like big bills first.
Speaker 4: She starts giving me the big bills first. And there
Speaker 4: was a moment where I was like, man, you might
Speaker 4: want to slow down. I thought, if anyone looks at
Speaker 4: these this camera afterwards, they're gonna know that you gave
Speaker 4: me that money way too fast and like without question,
Speaker 4: without resistance. I wasn't even done. They're gonna think we
Speaker 4: were in cahoots. That's what I thought, Like.
Speaker 2: Huh, it was that easy, And I think it almost.
Speaker 4: Felt like after when I was trying to figure out
Speaker 4: what was that? Why did that happen?
Speaker 2: Like that? That was just too freaking easy.
Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, maybe her boyfriend told her, Hey, man,
Speaker 4: I'm sending Sammy in this afternoon, you know, and he's
Speaker 4: a Mexican dude, and she's gonna ask him. I just
Speaker 4: give it him and we can make out that way,
Speaker 4: and so she thought I was Sammy when I was.
Speaker 3: You came in and she thought she thought someone else
Speaker 3: was coming to rob.
Speaker 2: It wasn't.
Speaker 3: It wasn't inside job. Sort of just wrong guy, just.
Speaker 4: A guy who was outside of the inside. But I
Speaker 4: mean that's what it felt like, almost like she like,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, yes, Greek week. Nudge nudge, here's the money.
Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in to make it looking.
Speaker 2: Like a robbery.
Speaker 3: She gets him that night, She's like, where's my cut.
Speaker 4: Down to San Diego? And I decide that I'm gonna
Speaker 4: rob a bunch of banks. One day, I get off
Speaker 4: the freeway. I'm parking on the corner of a bank
Speaker 4: parking lot. But that's not the bank I'm gonna rob.
Speaker 4: I walked past this bank because the bank I want
Speaker 4: to rob was actually down that there was a shrubbery,
Speaker 4: and then there was an incline where I went decline
Speaker 4: into another parking lot where there was a bank. So
Speaker 4: it's two banks right next to each other, two bankshark
Speaker 4: next to each other, but there are different levels and
Speaker 4: a small hill with this crazy shrubbery, and so you know,
Speaker 4: I had to kind of run down the ruk through
Speaker 4: the shrubbery to get down there.
Speaker 2: Big bank.
Speaker 4: And that was a strange bank because when I walked in,
Speaker 4: it's like it just opened. It was one of those
Speaker 4: things where I was I always liked to rob early,
Speaker 4: and clearly I was a first customer. There's only one
Speaker 4: person in that bank, and she was over here on
Speaker 4: the side at a desk talking to somebody, and she
Speaker 4: looks at me, and I heard her say, well, I
Speaker 4: gotta get going. I got a customer, and I realized
Speaker 4: that's my teller. She's out here in the lobby talking
Speaker 4: to somebody, somebody on the phone, the.
Speaker 2: Phone, the phone talking. Soon there's only her and me
Speaker 2: in there.
Speaker 4: So when she's done, she's kind of far from me,
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of desks down on the lobby,
Speaker 4: you know, far from me. So she gets off the
Speaker 4: phone and she now has to like walk further away
Speaker 4: from me to get to a door on my far
Speaker 4: left over there to get to the inside the tawler station.
Speaker 4: And so I walk up to the teler station. She's
Speaker 4: a little short woman, and she starts walking to me
Speaker 4: past telestation one, past OEt station.
Speaker 2: Two, and I'm just sitting and watching this way.
Speaker 3: It's like she's like going on a journey in order
Speaker 3: to get robbed.
Speaker 4: And so she's calming to me, and you know, she's
Speaker 4: walking and I'm watching her. Still nobody walking in from
Speaker 4: the outside, Still no customers walking in, still whatever, And
Speaker 4: I rob her. I basically like, this is a fucking robber.
Speaker 4: Give me the money now. I just like, don't make
Speaker 4: me pull the gun, and like, let's do this. And
Speaker 4: she is so angry at me, she is so pissed.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, she had their walk halfway around the block.
Speaker 2: I made her work to come over. Just get robbed.
Speaker 4: And the woman is resisting every way imaginable. I'm trying her,
Speaker 4: give me the big bills, she's giving me the ones.
Speaker 4: I'm trying her, you know whatever, anyway she can resist.
Speaker 4: She's resisting, and I'm mad. And it shows you one thing.
Speaker 4: As much as I want to terrorize people, if they
Speaker 4: don't want to be terrorized, they're not going to be terrorized.
Speaker 4: And I'm not jumping over the counter. I'm not going
Speaker 4: to shoot them. I'm not gonna pistol whip them. I
Speaker 4: have to rely that I'm persuasive up with my rage
Speaker 4: to get them to do it. And this one for
Speaker 4: whatever reason, she wasn't persuaded. She made it super hard
Speaker 4: for me, and I could tell I wasn't even getting
Speaker 4: that much money.
Speaker 2: So I leave. They're mad. So I'm walking across the
Speaker 2: fucking parking lot, pissed off, walking.
Speaker 4: Through this truck, motherfuckingrubbery, walking the field, walking across the
Speaker 4: parking lot, and I'm passing this bank on the way
Speaker 4: to my car. This is the first bank I passed
Speaker 4: to get to this bank, and I'm like, fuck it, man,
Speaker 4: we rob and I walk in there, and even though
Speaker 4: the cops are on the way, I was all this rage,
Speaker 4: knowing that I got a little money, pretty sure. I've
Speaker 4: liket thumb through and realized, man, I may have only
Speaker 4: got twelve hundred bucks, you know, a little chump change.
Speaker 2: And it fucking was long and hard to get that
Speaker 2: chump change. I got played.
Speaker 4: I walked in there and I robbed that bank too,
Speaker 4: and I walk out to get away.
Speaker 2: And that was because I was mad. I was just mad.
Speaker 4: It was a funky bank rubbery, man, So like, it's
Speaker 4: not all of them are not? All of them were
Speaker 4: about you know, look at me, man, pristine will fucking
Speaker 4: you know, forged my way and got what I wanted. Nah,
Speaker 4: that woman wasn't having it.
Speaker 2: Man, she was.
Speaker 4: I may have been too nice on the way, I
Speaker 4: don't know, journey into me and she's like, yeah, fake
Speaker 4: a fright, got it out, Joe.
Speaker 3: At what point did you feel like, Okay, I'm good
Speaker 3: at this, I'm rocking it. I'm a really good bank robber.
Speaker 2: La Joya bank was gorgeous.
Speaker 4: It had pillars in it, like marble pillars in it,
Speaker 4: like a Greek temple kind of thing.
Speaker 2: It was crazy.
Speaker 4: It was like the most prestigious looking bank I robbed.
Speaker 4: And you would think you I'd be intimidated, but I
Speaker 4: wasn't it. And the reason I know I wasn't nervous,
Speaker 4: and the reason I know I was adept this one
Speaker 4: actually had a guard at the front door, right at
Speaker 4: the front door inside standing on a stool. The inside
Speaker 4: of the bank was circular, like almost i'd say circular,
Speaker 4: but it was more like a horseshoe. And what I
Speaker 4: did is when I went in line, I got called
Speaker 4: to the teller furthest from the guard at the front
Speaker 4: off to the top of the horseshoe on the left
Speaker 4: hand side. And they had doors. There wasn't just one
Speaker 4: front door. Here there was door exits, so when I
Speaker 4: was done, I was able to just walk out of
Speaker 4: another exit back there. So I was able to rob
Speaker 4: that bank with a garden at walk away and never
Speaker 4: get chased.
Speaker 3: What's the most you ever got out.
Speaker 2: Of one day?
Speaker 4: It was Intestine, it was the Savings and Loan and
Speaker 4: I'm wearing a for doorra trench coat. It's raining out,
Speaker 4: so I look goofy, but I don't look completely.
Speaker 2: Out of the line.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like a summer, hot summer day,
Speaker 4: and like, why is that guy with a for door
Speaker 4: in trench call? You kind of understand, but I walk in.
Speaker 4: I walk to the manager's on a desk in the lobby.
Speaker 4: I tell her we have a bomb. I have a gun.
Speaker 4: Take me to the vault. She opens the door, no problem,
Speaker 4: grabs a key, gets up, and starts walking me across
Speaker 4: the lobby, totally compliant. She calls a woman behind the counter,
Speaker 4: and you know, she's like, whatever, Linda, meet me at
Speaker 4: the vault. And Linda's like okay, and so she starts
Speaker 4: walking to the vault. We're walking across the lobby. The
Speaker 4: manager I'm with opens up the door, lets us into
Speaker 4: the back closes the door, and now we're all three
Speaker 4: in front of this vault door. They open the door,
Speaker 4: they step inside, I step inside with them. The two
Speaker 4: women are now opening a second door, so they both
Speaker 4: neither key to unlocked that. Now, once they get in
Speaker 4: the vault and you know, kind of like push them
Speaker 4: in the vault, they get in there. Now we're in
Speaker 4: the vault, and right as you walk in, right in
Speaker 4: front of you, it looks like a library index card box.
Speaker 3: Like the old school, the old school carter.
Speaker 4: Then when you pull them out, they're really long, they're
Speaker 4: really you know, small little files.
Speaker 3: But I'm guessing this one's not filled with library book notes.
Speaker 3: That's filled with money.
Speaker 4: It's deep and it's long, and it's filled with rows
Speaker 4: of money. So there's twenties and tens and fives. Once
Speaker 4: thinking is I just reach in and I start taking
Speaker 4: all the money out, and I could see what I'm getting.
Speaker 4: I'm getting all the money. As soon as I'm done,
Speaker 4: and this goes fast, I look over, threaten him again,
Speaker 4: don't turn around, A count to one hundred, whatever, I
Speaker 4: go step out of that door. Now, I try to
Speaker 4: go to the door that I had been let into
Speaker 4: by the manager into the tailor station area.
Speaker 2: It's locked.
Speaker 4: I don't have a key, so like I got to
Speaker 4: hop the out the counter to get into the lobby
Speaker 4: to get out the bank. Fortunately for me, there's a
Speaker 4: small counter off to the right, the one for handicaps.
Speaker 4: So you're sitting there at a wheelchair. You can do
Speaker 4: your work while you're sitting down. And so I have
Speaker 4: to step on a chair, step on that jump off
Speaker 4: into the lobby and I look around and there's people
Speaker 4: looking at me. I'm you know, I'm a guy jumping
Speaker 4: over a counter. And I remember when I saw the
Speaker 4: movie Public Enemies with Johnny Depp, there's this one badass
Speaker 4: scene where he puts his hand on the counter and
Speaker 4: he hops over it like he's hopping over a small fence,
Speaker 4: sort of starts being yeah, and his coat's coming over.
Speaker 4: He's wearing the for door and I looked at that.
Speaker 4: I was like, man, that looks sexy as fucking I
Speaker 4: was like, I did that for door on a trench coat,
Speaker 4: Like I'm that dude right like, And but I remember
Speaker 4: looking at them thinking that it's fucking cool. And I
Speaker 4: didn't actually put my hand on there, and like hop over,
Speaker 4: I stepped over, but it had the same feel like
Speaker 4: you know, when everyone looks over me, they know that, okay,
Speaker 4: some of these baths going on. This guy's walking out
Speaker 4: of here. He looks at us with menace and he
Speaker 4: engages everything, assesses were all right, and he walks out
Speaker 4: of here fast, so they know I.
Speaker 2: Just robbed the place.
Speaker 4: I get out the bank and I just start running.
Speaker 4: I get to my car, I drive away, and you
Speaker 4: know I'm far enough away to pull over, because you
Speaker 4: know that's the thing. You know, I got a lot
Speaker 4: of money. I wonder how much I got. You know,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna drive forty five minutes home on our
Speaker 4: home to find out how much money I got. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna find out as soon as I feel safe.
Speaker 2: I pull over.
Speaker 4: I count it thirty two thousand plus. Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 4: my biggest hole.
Speaker 3: How did it feel after getting that much money?
Speaker 2: Felt good? I mean, I love you home with as
Speaker 2: the stupidest question.
Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back. Part two. Nice guys
Speaker 3: finished first.
Speaker 4: Okay, so we're on the five going north out of
Speaker 4: San Diego, North San Diego County.
Speaker 2: I was driving home. I just robbed four banks in
Speaker 2: San Diego.
Speaker 4: I got like fifty thousand dollars on me, a little
Speaker 4: over fifty thousand dollars on me in a fanning pack
Speaker 4: in the backseat.
Speaker 2: And I get to a point where.
Speaker 4: I'm driving and I could see far ahead, like I
Speaker 4: could see part of the freeway winding there, and it
Speaker 4: was all red lights, and I quickly came to a stop.
Speaker 4: It was parking lot. It was we stopped, and we stopped,
Speaker 4: and that was it. And you were inching ford at
Speaker 4: the crazy minute rate. Could don understand why maybe it
Speaker 4: was around here?
Speaker 6: Well, in this part of I five, coming between San
Speaker 6: Diego and LA this is Camp Pendleton. So there's nowhere
Speaker 6: to get off the freeway. There's no exit ramps, there's
Speaker 6: just like there's nothing. There's just freeway and you're stuck on.
Speaker 4: It, and you're stuck on it for like five miles
Speaker 4: or something like that. There's there's nothing you can do.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking they're looking for me. They have clearly.
Speaker 2: Decided that I robbed banks, and they're shut down.
Speaker 4: The freewheel be ahead. So I'm like, Okay, I get
Speaker 4: how this works. So I don't know exactly what I'm
Speaker 4: gonna do. I'm kind of panicking, but pretty soon the
Speaker 4: decision is taken from me because my car starts overheating,
Speaker 4: and I what so like a inch inch inch, like
Speaker 4: I let people like, hey, let me go, let me
Speaker 4: get through, let me get I gotta go off the right.
Speaker 4: So I get off the right and I go on
Speaker 4: this lane right here, and so I part my car
Speaker 4: maybe about right here actually, and then I get out
Speaker 4: of my car and I put the money around my
Speaker 4: ways and I start walking off this off ramp here.
Speaker 4: So I walk down this off ramp and down here
Speaker 4: at the bottom of the off ramp, his car parked
Speaker 4: waving everyone in.
Speaker 2: There is the cop.
Speaker 4: Now he can see that. You know clearly I wasn't
Speaker 4: trying to get over, and I don't have my car.
Speaker 2: I'm not here. I said, is there a gas station
Speaker 2: or something on there?
Speaker 4: He goes, no, you got to go under the freeway
Speaker 4: here and go back where you came from three miles
Speaker 4: four miles back, there's a gas station. I'm like, all right, thanks,
Speaker 4: And I'm really trying to do the like I'm I'm
Speaker 4: a college kid and I'm fucked up and you're the authority.
Speaker 4: And I apologize, and he was like, you know, he
Speaker 4: actually was nice about it, and I don't care because
Speaker 4: I got away. I'm like good, I'm kidding away. I
Speaker 4: got I've got bath. Yeah, I'm good. I'm going this way.
Speaker 4: And then I just like startled, like whoo whoop. And
Speaker 4: I turn around and there's a highway patrol car right
Speaker 4: pulling up to me.
Speaker 2: What are you doing?
Speaker 4: I said, Well, that guy your officer down there, your
Speaker 4: your buddy whatever. He he told my car overheat. I'm
Speaker 4: like all bumbling it.
Speaker 2: He told me.
Speaker 4: That that I could go this way because I don't,
Speaker 4: you know my car overheatedn't and just panicking, like pretending
Speaker 4: like I'm just so scared of everyone's authority.
Speaker 2: And they're like, get in the backseat, we'll take it there.
Speaker 4: I said, really, He goes, yeah, yeah, I gat thanks,
Speaker 4: and I hop in the back and all all happy
Speaker 4: about it, and and so we start taking off. You know,
Speaker 4: they're cops and they have to figure out, you know,
Speaker 4: who I am. They're suspicious and they have to ask.
Speaker 2: What are you doing? Where do you come from?
Speaker 4: I said, well, you know, I met this girl at
Speaker 4: USC We were at a party and she she lived
Speaker 4: down here, so I came down here for two or
Speaker 4: three days.
Speaker 2: But you know how that happens. Man, I had plenty.
Speaker 2: It was enough. I had to get the hell out
Speaker 2: of there.
Speaker 4: And then they're like, all of a sudden, and this
Speaker 4: misogyny that I'm like leaning into, you know, it's man,
Speaker 4: you get it.
Speaker 2: Men and women just fucking they're they're wears out or whatever.
Speaker 4: They got that, and then all of a sudden they
Speaker 4: just calmed out, Yeah, yeah, we get it. And all
Speaker 4: of a sudden, we're bros in that car because we're
Speaker 4: all like, yeah, women, you know, they're all they're muff
Speaker 4: us up. Everything was cool at that point, and I said,
Speaker 4: he's hey, the officer told me that there's been some
Speaker 4: accident or something back and then they share with me
Speaker 4: that and there's officers who were shot, and there's a crash.
Speaker 4: An officer crashed and the guy crashed. Then they say,
Speaker 4: you know, but the bad guy. We got the bad guy.
Speaker 4: And I said, well, what about the officer? I started
Speaker 4: leaning into, like I'm a citizen and I care about.
Speaker 2: You guys, and what about him? Is he all right?
Speaker 2: And they say, oh, yeah, he's gonna be fine. I said,
Speaker 2: does you have a family. I'm really laying on.
Speaker 4: The compassion for the cop thing so that they like me,
Speaker 4: and they do.
Speaker 2: They like me.
Speaker 4: We pull over and there's a rest up back there
Speaker 4: a couple of miles back. I said, you know what,
Speaker 4: just leave me off with the rest of us, saying, hey,
Speaker 4: taking a gas and said, you know what, it's my
Speaker 4: uncle's car. And he didn't tell me that it overheats,
Speaker 4: so just leave me here. I'm gonna make him come
Speaker 4: down and get it. So then I said, they pull
Speaker 4: over and I try to get out. There's no handles
Speaker 4: in the back seat. So I'm like, oh wow, there's
Speaker 4: no handles back every time, like I've never been in
Speaker 4: the back of a police car before. And I got
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars my my, uh you know, I'm carrying
Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars I mean, and they say, uh, oh yeah,
Speaker 4: we gotta let you out. So they let me out,
Speaker 4: and you know, the cop in the passenger seat gets out,
Speaker 4: lets me out.
Speaker 2: And then they rolled over.
Speaker 4: He gets back in, he rolls the window down, and
Speaker 4: I said, hey, thank you, officers.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys giving me this ride.
Speaker 4: And they were friendly to me, like we could take
Speaker 4: you no pro I'm like, no, no, no thanks anyway,
Speaker 4: and they drove.
Speaker 2: Off, and I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Late at night, I get a call from an ex
Speaker 4: Salmat Ahad in San Diego County jail and he says,
Speaker 4: were you doing any work down here today? I said, yeah, ma'am.
Speaker 4: He says, you're all over the TV. You're on Crime Stoppers.
Speaker 4: They think that's your Pakistani and they think you live
Speaker 4: at the Wana.
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, good to no good to know.
Speaker 4: So those two guys had me in the back seat
Speaker 4: of the car. They saw my face. I came to
Speaker 4: the door. I looked at them, you know, hey, thank you,
Speaker 4: appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Whatever.
Speaker 4: The next morning, these guys come into work. They and
Speaker 4: they like, we're looking for this mail. He robbed four
Speaker 4: banks today. Have you see anything about If you have
Speaker 4: any information, can you let us know? And I wanted
Speaker 4: do those cops say, oh, we gotta go tell them
Speaker 4: me at them, or do they say keep our mouths
Speaker 4: fucking shut, don't tell anybody that we had this Kui
Speaker 4: in our car and we drove him to get away.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back Part three. I'm coming back to
Speaker 3: get you.
Speaker 7: First thing in the morning, nine o'clock. We opened right
Speaker 7: on the dot. All the time.
Speaker 3: This is a former bank teller who didn't want us
Speaker 3: to use her name. She's one of the victims of
Speaker 3: Joe's so called victimless crimes.
Speaker 7: And this gentlemen walked straight to me quickly. I was
Speaker 7: still kind of getting my stuff Freddy at my teller station,
Speaker 7: and he approached me. He had on a trench coat, sunglasses,
Speaker 7: He had dark hair, dark mustache.
Speaker 8: White straight teeth. I remember his mouth because I couldn't
Speaker 8: see his eyes when he approached.
Speaker 7: I just had a weird feeling and like, why are
Speaker 7: you wearing sunglasses in line in a bank. That's kind
Speaker 7: of a dead giveaway. So I don't believe he gave
Speaker 7: me a note. I think he told me, you know,
Speaker 7: open the door and take.
Speaker 8: Me to the vault. You know, I'm gonna rob you,
Speaker 8: or something like that.
Speaker 7: I can't remember but exactly what he said, but I
Speaker 7: just remembered like, oh my god, and just pressing the
Speaker 7: button for the alarm and being kind of comatose, but
Speaker 7: letting him in like I would to anybody else. And
Speaker 7: I walked back to the vault with him, and I
Speaker 7: told him I don't have keys to anything, and he said,
Speaker 7: get somebody who does, so We walked out of the
Speaker 7: vault and to the first supervisor desk that we came across.
Speaker 7: My supervisor had her head down and she was writing.
Speaker 7: She doesn't even look up, and I said, I need
Speaker 7: the keys to the vault.
Speaker 8: She's like what.
Speaker 7: She looks up and she sees me, and she sees
Speaker 7: a horror in my face, and then she sees him
Speaker 7: standing behind me, and we're behind the teller line, so
Speaker 7: she knew it was not right. So she stood up
Speaker 7: with me and we walked back to the vault. We
Speaker 7: start walking back to the vault with him. She tells
Speaker 7: me I only have one set, and she's she's like petrified.
Speaker 7: And by this time we're back the door that I
Speaker 7: let him in and it was taken a long time.
Speaker 8: All of this took quite a while.
Speaker 7: So he just turns around and he tells me, I'm
Speaker 7: coming back to get you. He whispered it to me,
Speaker 7: and he took off, and she fell down to the
Speaker 7: ground crying, and I was trying to comfort her.
Speaker 8: I'm like, he's gone, it's okay, it's okay.
Speaker 7: And then I found out that our assistant bank manager
Speaker 7: ran out after him to see which way he was
Speaker 7: running and he opened his jacket and pulled out a gun,
Speaker 7: and so the assistant bank manager ran back in the
Speaker 7: building and locked the doors, which is what you're supposed
Speaker 7: to do so they don't run back in. And then
Speaker 7: we waited for the police and FBI to arrive and
Speaker 7: to be interviewed.
Speaker 8: But he got no money. Obviously, it took too long.
Speaker 3: And then when he said what he said to you,
Speaker 3: do you remember how you were feeling then.
Speaker 7: In shock, couldn't believe it was happening, but just trying
Speaker 7: to obey his commands to let him in to the vault.
Speaker 3: So what happened afterwards?
Speaker 7: After I talked to the FBI and I was let
Speaker 7: go for the day, obviously not going back to work,
Speaker 7: and it was it took a long time. I don't
Speaker 7: think I left until like two in the afternoon, so
Speaker 7: that was there for hours, and I remember, okay, you know,
Speaker 7: I was fine, like, yeah, I get the afternoon off,
Speaker 7: I kind of you know, he's gone, and I did
Speaker 7: tell I do remember telling the FBI, why did he
Speaker 7: tell me he was coming back to get me? And
Speaker 7: they said they say that to scare you, so you forget,
Speaker 7: you forget what they look like. They forget you forget
Speaker 7: what any details what they told you. The whole incident
Speaker 7: just tries to scare you, and I go, oh, okay.
Speaker 7: So when I left at two o'clock that afternoon, I
Speaker 7: walked out of the building by myself.
Speaker 8: Nobody walked me to my car, and.
Speaker 7: That's when I started freaking out because I didn't feel
Speaker 7: safe and I thought he was out there waiting for me,
Speaker 7: even though they tried to assure me I was just
Speaker 7: I ran to my car and started crying.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because I thought he was out there. Yeah, he
Speaker 8: scared me.
Speaker 3: How long did that stay with you?
Speaker 7: Probably about six to eight weeks. I couldn't drive at
Speaker 7: night or to school. My parents had to pick me
Speaker 7: up from college if I had a night class, and nightmares.
Speaker 7: We lived in a two story house, had some big windows,
Speaker 7: and I would dream or wake up that he was
Speaker 7: just if I looked out the window, he'd be standing
Speaker 7: there on the sidewalk, those types of things. Yeah, for
Speaker 7: about two months, I never forgot his face.
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you could say anything to him today, what
Speaker 5: would you say?
Speaker 8: Oh, jeez, that's a load of question. I guess.
Speaker 7: I have a lot of compassion for people. I'm very
Speaker 7: Catholic so and and forgiveness is huge with me. So
Speaker 7: if I could say anything to him, I would say,
Speaker 7: good luck. Life is better when it's when you're living
Speaker 7: it right, not bad.
Speaker 3: If if you could have him say anything to you,
Speaker 3: what would you like him to say to you?
Speaker 8: I don't. I don't.
Speaker 7: Maybe just said it wasn't personal, had nothing to do
Speaker 7: with me, and he's not going to come back to
Speaker 7: get me.
Speaker 3: Joe, what do you think about listening to that?
Speaker 9: Sorry? Hard to listen to the man's hard to listen
Speaker 9: to them. I feel terrible. Mm hm, I felt terrible, man. Yeah,
Speaker 9: I had all that congested rage and I didn't give
Speaker 9: a fuck about myself anybody.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 4: You know it was the saying I know it wasn't
Speaker 4: a victimless crime. That's really and and I know you
Speaker 4: know in the abstract that I went and hurt people
Speaker 4: and they took him with him, and she just verified that.
Speaker 4: And to hear it in in you know that concrete way,
Speaker 4: I struggle sometimes. I'm very confident, very bold. I got
Speaker 4: at of Bravado, I got a lot of you know, confidence.
Speaker 4: Where I feel the weakest is in my regret and
Speaker 4: shame for the way I treated women. So I hated
Speaker 4: guys who were fucking weak and manipulative and trying to
Speaker 4: prey on women. And I hated them because I felt like,
Speaker 4: you sons of bitches are reminding me of me, and
Speaker 4: I do not like that you reminding me that I
Speaker 4: was like that. Fucking I don't. I mean, if I
Speaker 4: get upset in the world now, it's a that and
Speaker 4: I realize that. I get mad at men who remind
Speaker 4: me that I was that because it's so fucking shameful.
Speaker 3: Do you ever do you ever get away from the shame?
Speaker 3: Does it ever grow away?
Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's always a low. It's like
Speaker 4: Tonight's It's always there, and sometimes it's really low and
Speaker 4: sometimes it's really high. And that's my struggle. So I
Speaker 4: feel so fucking low.
Speaker 2: Mmm. I feel bad for her.
Speaker 9: You know, obviously I wouldn't do anything to hurt her, right,
Speaker 9: She's such a resilient person.
Speaker 2: Look at that love.
Speaker 4: She has such compassion. It's beautiful. It's not victimless. You
Speaker 4: gotta hurt people to get that money. I had to
Speaker 4: scare of them. And it's such a petty little man,
Speaker 4: such a petty little fucking man.
Speaker 9: Ah, I mean, I was crying listen. It just broke
Speaker 9: my heart to remember that that was the guy who
Speaker 9: inflicted that m on her.
Speaker 3: Just it's just.
Speaker 2: I think, what's all hard about it?
Speaker 4: Too? I know my mother would have loved me through
Speaker 4: it all, but a fucking shame. I shamed the memory
Speaker 4: of my mother by doing that to these good women.
Speaker 2: You know, I think that I think that that is.
Speaker 9: Uh, that's one of the hard things about it too,
Speaker 9: you know, mm hmmm. The fuck man is terrible.
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