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<v Speaker 1>Joe Loyer has agreed to answer our questions, so please

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi there, It's Steve Fishman from Orbit Media and this

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<v Speaker 1>is Get the Money and Run. In today's episode, episode four,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe recounts his glorious days of bank robbing. He robbed

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<v Speaker 1>more than thirty banks in one fourteen months free and

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<v Speaker 1>I admit he sure makes bank rubbing sound like fun.

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<v Speaker 3>You are listening to The Burden Season four, Get the

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<v Speaker 3>Money and Run. I'm Benadir and this is episode four

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<v Speaker 3>Life and Crimes.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you rob your first bolt? That was December.

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<v Speaker 4>And I was pissed that I only got ten thousand

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<v Speaker 4>dollars with six bricks of money. But I was like, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>I know how to do this now, let me you know,

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<v Speaker 4>let me go back two months later, let me try

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<v Speaker 4>it again. I mean I was let me get six

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<v Speaker 4>other bricks of money. So I do the same thing.

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<v Speaker 4>I walk in the same front door, not the back.

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<v Speaker 3>I came to the same exact bank.

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<v Speaker 4>Same freaking bank. And why did you do that? I

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<v Speaker 4>was telling you I had scored here. I had gotten

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<v Speaker 4>into the place easily. I just took the wrong amount

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<v Speaker 4>of loot. So I'm like, I'm gonna do this again.

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<v Speaker 4>It was easy.

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<v Speaker 2>I now know how to dance in there easier.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna be coming to the front. I can

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<v Speaker 4>concentrate more of the money. Rip open the thing. See

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<v Speaker 4>what I'm pulling out, that kind of thing before I

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<v Speaker 4>take the money. I feel like confident this time, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna get twenties and fifties and hundreds.

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<v Speaker 2>I walk in, I walk up to a woman.

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<v Speaker 4>Who's at the front of the bank and I tell

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<v Speaker 4>you tigma to the vaunt. But then I look over

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<v Speaker 4>to my right and all the fucking staff are on me.

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<v Speaker 2>They're looking at me. They're on the phone, they're like

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm like.

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<v Speaker 4>Everyone had clocked me coming in, and I realized, oh shit,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I can't go one more minute in here, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I like, they stop me. They they they blocked me

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<v Speaker 4>to that fucking that vault. Man. They're like, you ain't

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<v Speaker 4>getting that vault again. They recognized me instantly, and I

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<v Speaker 4>thought I was just like I actually had a feeling

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<v Speaker 4>a bullshit, you know, expectation that I could just blend in,

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<v Speaker 4>I could just walk in with the rest of the

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<v Speaker 4>people and just walk up and no, man, they were

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<v Speaker 4>there to beat on me as soon as I walked

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<v Speaker 4>in the front door, and so I just walked right up.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Kind of a sexy bank robber, because you know, look

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<v Speaker 4>at I had these clothes, and a couple of times

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<v Speaker 4>I did some funny or you know, I did some

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<v Speaker 4>cool getaway things. But I was I was not happy

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<v Speaker 4>with the way I went. And I'm really recognizing that

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<v Speaker 4>I was an amateur.

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<v Speaker 2>H I'm not impressed. Yah h.

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<v Speaker 3>Part one bank Bank Bank Bank, Bank Joe is the

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<v Speaker 3>easiest bank you robbed.

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<v Speaker 4>The easiest bank I robbed was actually in a mall,

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<v Speaker 4>not like an indoor mall.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a walking plusa mall.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, yeah, there's an Orange County somewhere. And I

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<v Speaker 4>walk in and it's super tiny. I mean, the lobby

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<v Speaker 4>is so small that basically there's two or three taller's

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<v Speaker 4>max and then to the left in the lobby is

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<v Speaker 4>a little patch of carpet and one little tiny desk

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<v Speaker 4>on there for the manager or somebody that's it. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a little, barely nothing bank. And when I walk in,

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<v Speaker 4>no customers, no manager, There's just two women in the

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<v Speaker 4>tewer stations there in their stools talking to each other,

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<v Speaker 4>head sideways, talking to each other. I walk in, they

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<v Speaker 4>look at me. I look around and it is the

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<v Speaker 4>most peculiar bank I've ever walked in. It's just it's

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<v Speaker 4>almost like it's pretending to be a bank. It's so skinny, narrow, tiny,

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<v Speaker 4>little cute lobby and these two women are looking at me,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm looking at them and I say, yeah, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what this is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a robbery, give me your money.

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<v Speaker 4>Just like I just like start walking up to them,

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<v Speaker 4>like yeah, this is what this could just it was

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<v Speaker 4>really peculiar, and they just start they look at me,

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<v Speaker 4>and just like I say yeah, and I give maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>give my spiel whatever. I don't have to do much

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<v Speaker 4>to persuade him. They're like, let's do this, and they

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<v Speaker 4>just start putting the money up. And they're putting the

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<v Speaker 4>money up. So like I'm over here at this teller

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm dumping money in my bag and I'm going

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<v Speaker 4>to other dumping money in my bag. Oh you put

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<v Speaker 4>some more money out, Let me go get that, and like,

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<v Speaker 4>I just collect the money and I leave. The second

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<v Speaker 4>other easiest robbery, but it was only one teller was

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<v Speaker 4>a bank. I walked in and before I could finish

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<v Speaker 4>my spiel, she started giving me the money.

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<v Speaker 3>Like you didn't even ask for the money.

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<v Speaker 4>She just I didn't even ask for like big bills first.

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<v Speaker 4>She starts giving me the big bills first. And there

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<v Speaker 4>was a moment where I was like, man, you might

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<v Speaker 4>want to slow down. I thought, if anyone looks at

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<v Speaker 4>these this camera afterwards, they're gonna know that you gave

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<v Speaker 4>me that money way too fast and like without question,

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<v Speaker 4>without resistance. I wasn't even done. They're gonna think we

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<v Speaker 4>were in cahoots. That's what I thought, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh, it was that easy, And I think it almost.

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<v Speaker 4>Felt like after when I was trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 4>what was that? Why did that happen?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that? That was just too freaking easy.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought, you know what, maybe her boyfriend told her, Hey, man,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sending Sammy in this afternoon, you know, and he's

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<v Speaker 4>a Mexican dude, and she's gonna ask him. I just

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<v Speaker 4>give it him and we can make out that way,

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<v Speaker 4>and so she thought I was Sammy when I was.

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<v Speaker 3>You came in and she thought she thought someone else

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<v Speaker 3>was coming to rob.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't.

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<v Speaker 3>It wasn't inside job. Sort of just wrong guy, just.

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<v Speaker 4>A guy who was outside of the inside. But I

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<v Speaker 4>mean that's what it felt like, almost like she like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh yeah, yes, Greek week. Nudge nudge, here's the money.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks for coming in to make it looking.

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<v Speaker 2>Like a robbery.

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<v Speaker 3>She gets him that night, She's like, where's my cut.

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<v Speaker 4>Down to San Diego? And I decide that I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 4>rob a bunch of banks. One day, I get off

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<v Speaker 4>the freeway. I'm parking on the corner of a bank

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<v Speaker 4>parking lot. But that's not the bank I'm gonna rob.

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<v Speaker 4>I walked past this bank because the bank I want

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<v Speaker 4>to rob was actually down that there was a shrubbery,

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<v Speaker 4>and then there was an incline where I went decline

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<v Speaker 4>into another parking lot where there was a bank. So

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<v Speaker 4>it's two banks right next to each other, two bankshark

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<v Speaker 4>next to each other, but there are different levels and

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<v Speaker 4>a small hill with this crazy shrubbery, and so you know,

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<v Speaker 4>I had to kind of run down the ruk through

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<v Speaker 4>the shrubbery to get down there.

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<v Speaker 2>Big bank.

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<v Speaker 4>And that was a strange bank because when I walked in,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like it just opened. It was one of those

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<v Speaker 4>things where I was I always liked to rob early,

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<v Speaker 4>and clearly I was a first customer. There's only one

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<v Speaker 4>person in that bank, and she was over here on

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<v Speaker 4>the side at a desk talking to somebody, and she

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<v Speaker 4>looks at me, and I heard her say, well, I

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<v Speaker 4>gotta get going. I got a customer, and I realized

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<v Speaker 4>that's my teller. She's out here in the lobby talking

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<v Speaker 4>to somebody, somebody on the phone, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Phone, the phone talking. Soon there's only her and me

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<v Speaker 2>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>So when she's done, she's kind of far from me,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, a couple of desks down on the lobby,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, far from me. So she gets off the

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<v Speaker 4>phone and she now has to like walk further away

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<v Speaker 4>from me to get to a door on my far

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<v Speaker 4>left over there to get to the inside the tawler station.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I walk up to the teler station. She's

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<v Speaker 4>a little short woman, and she starts walking to me

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<v Speaker 4>past telestation one, past OEt station.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, and I'm just sitting and watching this way.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like she's like going on a journey in order

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<v Speaker 3>to get robbed.

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<v Speaker 4>And so she's calming to me, and you know, she's

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<v Speaker 4>walking and I'm watching her. Still nobody walking in from

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<v Speaker 4>the outside, Still no customers walking in, still whatever, And

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<v Speaker 4>I rob her. I basically like, this is a fucking robber.

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<v Speaker 4>Give me the money now. I just like, don't make

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<v Speaker 4>me pull the gun, and like, let's do this. And

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<v Speaker 4>she is so angry at me, she is so pissed.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, she had their walk halfway around the block.

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<v Speaker 2>I made her work to come over. Just get robbed.

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<v Speaker 4>And the woman is resisting every way imaginable. I'm trying her,

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<v Speaker 4>give me the big bills, she's giving me the ones.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm trying her, you know whatever, anyway she can resist.

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<v Speaker 4>She's resisting, and I'm mad. And it shows you one thing.

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<v Speaker 4>As much as I want to terrorize people, if they

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<v Speaker 4>don't want to be terrorized, they're not going to be terrorized.

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm not jumping over the counter. I'm not going

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<v Speaker 4>to shoot them. I'm not gonna pistol whip them. I

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<v Speaker 4>have to rely that I'm persuasive up with my rage

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<v Speaker 4>to get them to do it. And this one for

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<v Speaker 4>whatever reason, she wasn't persuaded. She made it super hard

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<v Speaker 4>for me, and I could tell I wasn't even getting

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<v Speaker 4>that much money.

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<v Speaker 2>So I leave. They're mad. So I'm walking across the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking parking lot, pissed off, walking.

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<v Speaker 4>Through this truck, motherfuckingrubbery, walking the field, walking across the

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<v Speaker 4>parking lot, and I'm passing this bank on the way

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<v Speaker 4>to my car. This is the first bank I passed

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<v Speaker 4>to get to this bank, and I'm like, fuck it, man,

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<v Speaker 4>we rob and I walk in there, and even though

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<v Speaker 4>the cops are on the way, I was all this rage,

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<v Speaker 4>knowing that I got a little money, pretty sure. I've

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<v Speaker 4>liket thumb through and realized, man, I may have only

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<v Speaker 4>got twelve hundred bucks, you know, a little chump change.

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<v Speaker 2>And it fucking was long and hard to get that

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<v Speaker 2>chump change. I got played.

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<v Speaker 4>I walked in there and I robbed that bank too,

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<v Speaker 4>and I walk out to get away.

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<v Speaker 2>And that was because I was mad. I was just mad.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a funky bank rubbery, man, So like, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not all of them are not? All of them were

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<v Speaker 4>about you know, look at me, man, pristine will fucking

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<v Speaker 4>you know, forged my way and got what I wanted. Nah,

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<v Speaker 4>that woman wasn't having it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, she was.

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<v Speaker 4>I may have been too nice on the way, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't know, journey into me and she's like, yeah, fake

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<v Speaker 4>a fright, got it out, Joe.

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<v Speaker 3>At what point did you feel like, Okay, I'm good

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<v Speaker 3>at this, I'm rocking it. I'm a really good bank robber.

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<v Speaker 2>La Joya bank was gorgeous.

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<v Speaker 4>It had pillars in it, like marble pillars in it,

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<v Speaker 4>like a Greek temple kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like the most prestigious looking bank I robbed.

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<v Speaker 4>And you would think you I'd be intimidated, but I

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<v Speaker 4>wasn't it. And the reason I know I wasn't nervous,

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<v Speaker 4>and the reason I know I was adept this one

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<v Speaker 4>actually had a guard at the front door, right at

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<v Speaker 4>the front door inside standing on a stool. The inside

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<v Speaker 4>of the bank was circular, like almost i'd say circular,

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<v Speaker 4>but it was more like a horseshoe. And what I

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<v Speaker 4>did is when I went in line, I got called

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<v Speaker 4>to the teller furthest from the guard at the front

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<v Speaker 4>off to the top of the horseshoe on the left

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<v Speaker 4>hand side. And they had doors. There wasn't just one

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<v Speaker 4>front door. Here there was door exits, so when I

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<v Speaker 4>was done, I was able to just walk out of

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<v Speaker 4>another exit back there. So I was able to rob

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<v Speaker 4>that bank with a garden at walk away and never

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<v Speaker 4>get chased.

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<v Speaker 3>What's the most you ever got out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of one day?

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<v Speaker 4>It was Intestine, it was the Savings and Loan and

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<v Speaker 4>I'm wearing a for doorra trench coat. It's raining out,

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<v Speaker 4>so I look goofy, but I don't look completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Out of the line.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it's not like a summer, hot summer day,

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<v Speaker 4>and like, why is that guy with a for door

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<v Speaker 4>in trench call? You kind of understand, but I walk in.

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<v Speaker 4>I walk to the manager's on a desk in the lobby.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell her we have a bomb. I have a gun.

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<v Speaker 4>Take me to the vault. She opens the door, no problem,

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<v Speaker 4>grabs a key, gets up, and starts walking me across

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<v Speaker 4>the lobby, totally compliant. She calls a woman behind the counter,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, she's like, whatever, Linda, meet me at

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<v Speaker 4>the vault. And Linda's like okay, and so she starts

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<v Speaker 4>walking to the vault. We're walking across the lobby. The

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<v Speaker 4>manager I'm with opens up the door, lets us into

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<v Speaker 4>the back closes the door, and now we're all three

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<v Speaker 4>in front of this vault door. They open the door,

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<v Speaker 4>they step inside, I step inside with them. The two

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<v Speaker 4>women are now opening a second door, so they both

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<v Speaker 4>neither key to unlocked that. Now, once they get in

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<v Speaker 4>the vault and you know, kind of like push them

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<v Speaker 4>in the vault, they get in there. Now we're in

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<v Speaker 4>the vault, and right as you walk in, right in

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<v Speaker 4>front of you, it looks like a library index card box.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the old school, the old school carter.

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<v Speaker 4>Then when you pull them out, they're really long, they're

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<v Speaker 4>really you know, small little files.

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<v Speaker 3>But I'm guessing this one's not filled with library book notes.

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<v Speaker 3>That's filled with money.

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<v Speaker 4>It's deep and it's long, and it's filled with rows

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<v Speaker 4>of money. So there's twenties and tens and fives. Once

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<v Speaker 4>thinking is I just reach in and I start taking

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<v Speaker 4>all the money out, and I could see what I'm getting.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm getting all the money. As soon as I'm done,

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<v Speaker 4>and this goes fast, I look over, threaten him again,

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<v Speaker 4>don't turn around, A count to one hundred, whatever, I

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<v Speaker 4>go step out of that door. Now, I try to

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<v Speaker 4>go to the door that I had been let into

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<v Speaker 4>by the manager into the tailor station area.

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<v Speaker 2>It's locked.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't have a key, so like I got to

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<v Speaker 4>hop the out the counter to get into the lobby

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<v Speaker 4>to get out the bank. Fortunately for me, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>small counter off to the right, the one for handicaps.

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<v Speaker 4>So you're sitting there at a wheelchair. You can do

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<v Speaker 4>your work while you're sitting down. And so I have

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<v Speaker 4>to step on a chair, step on that jump off

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<v Speaker 4>into the lobby and I look around and there's people

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<v Speaker 4>looking at me. I'm you know, I'm a guy jumping

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<v Speaker 4>over a counter. And I remember when I saw the

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<v Speaker 4>movie Public Enemies with Johnny Depp, there's this one badass

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<v Speaker 4>scene where he puts his hand on the counter and

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<v Speaker 4>he hops over it like he's hopping over a small fence,

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<v Speaker 4>sort of starts being yeah, and his coat's coming over.

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<v Speaker 4>He's wearing the for door and I looked at that.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, man, that looks sexy as fucking I

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<v Speaker 4>was like, I did that for door on a trench coat,

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<v Speaker 4>Like I'm that dude right like, And but I remember

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<v Speaker 4>looking at them thinking that it's fucking cool. And I

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<v Speaker 4>didn't actually put my hand on there, and like hop over,

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<v Speaker 4>I stepped over, but it had the same feel like

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<v Speaker 4>you know, when everyone looks over me, they know that, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>some of these baths going on. This guy's walking out

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<v Speaker 4>of here. He looks at us with menace and he

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<v Speaker 4>engages everything, assesses were all right, and he walks out

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<v Speaker 4>of here fast, so they know I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just robbed the place.

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<v Speaker 4>I get out the bank and I just start running.

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<v Speaker 4>I get to my car, I drive away, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know I'm far enough away to pull over, because you

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<v Speaker 4>know that's the thing. You know, I got a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of money. I wonder how much I got. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not gonna drive forty five minutes home on our

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<v Speaker 4>home to find out how much money I got. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna find out as soon as I feel safe.

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<v Speaker 2>I pull over.

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<v Speaker 4>I count it thirty two thousand plus. Oh wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>my biggest hole.

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<v Speaker 3>How did it feel after getting that much money?

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<v Speaker 2>Felt good? I mean, I love you home with as

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<v Speaker 2>the stupidest question.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we'll be right back. Part two. Nice guys

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<v Speaker 3>finished first.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so we're on the five going north out of

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<v Speaker 4>San Diego, North San Diego County.

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<v Speaker 2>I was driving home. I just robbed four banks in

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<v Speaker 2>San Diego.

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<v Speaker 4>I got like fifty thousand dollars on me, a little

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<v Speaker 4>over fifty thousand dollars on me in a fanning pack

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<v Speaker 4>in the backseat.

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<v Speaker 2>And I get to a point where.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm driving and I could see far ahead, like I

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<v Speaker 4>could see part of the freeway winding there, and it

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<v Speaker 4>was all red lights, and I quickly came to a stop.

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<v Speaker 4>It was parking lot. It was we stopped, and we stopped,

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<v Speaker 4>and that was it. And you were inching ford at

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<v Speaker 4>the crazy minute rate. Could don understand why maybe it

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<v Speaker 4>was around here?

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<v Speaker 6>Well, in this part of I five, coming between San

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<v Speaker 6>Diego and LA this is Camp Pendleton. So there's nowhere

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<v Speaker 6>to get off the freeway. There's no exit ramps, there's

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<v Speaker 6>just like there's nothing. There's just freeway and you're stuck on.

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<v Speaker 4>It, and you're stuck on it for like five miles

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<v Speaker 4>or something like that. There's there's nothing you can do.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm thinking they're looking for me. They have clearly.

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<v Speaker 2>Decided that I robbed banks, and they're shut down.

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<v Speaker 4>The freewheel be ahead. So I'm like, Okay, I get

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<v Speaker 4>how this works. So I don't know exactly what I'm

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<v Speaker 4>gonna do. I'm kind of panicking, but pretty soon the

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<v Speaker 4>decision is taken from me because my car starts overheating,

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<v Speaker 4>and I what so like a inch inch inch, like

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<v Speaker 4>I let people like, hey, let me go, let me

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<v Speaker 4>get through, let me get I gotta go off the right.

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<v Speaker 4>So I get off the right and I go on

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<v Speaker 4>this lane right here, and so I part my car

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<v Speaker 4>maybe about right here actually, and then I get out

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<v Speaker 4>of my car and I put the money around my

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<v Speaker 4>ways and I start walking off this off ramp here.

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<v Speaker 4>So I walk down this off ramp and down here

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<v Speaker 4>at the bottom of the off ramp, his car parked

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<v Speaker 4>waving everyone in.

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<v Speaker 2>There is the cop.

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<v Speaker 4>Now he can see that. You know clearly I wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get over, and I don't have my car.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not here. I said, is there a gas station

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<v Speaker 2>or something on there?

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<v Speaker 4>He goes, no, you got to go under the freeway

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<v Speaker 4>here and go back where you came from three miles

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<v Speaker 4>four miles back, there's a gas station. I'm like, all right, thanks,

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<v Speaker 4>And I'm really trying to do the like I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 4>a college kid and I'm fucked up and you're the authority.

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<v Speaker 4>And I apologize, and he was like, you know, he

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<v Speaker 4>actually was nice about it, and I don't care because

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<v Speaker 4>I got away. I'm like good, I'm kidding away. I

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<v Speaker 4>got I've got bath. Yeah, I'm good. I'm going this way.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I just like startled, like whoo whoop. And

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<v Speaker 4>I turn around and there's a highway patrol car right

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<v Speaker 4>pulling up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, Well, that guy your officer down there, your

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<v Speaker 4>your buddy whatever. He he told my car overheat. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>like all bumbling it.

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<v Speaker 2>He told me.

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<v Speaker 4>That that I could go this way because I don't,

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<v Speaker 4>you know my car overheatedn't and just panicking, like pretending

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<v Speaker 4>like I'm just so scared of everyone's authority.

0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:27.960
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, get in the backseat, we'll take it there.

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<v Speaker 4>I said, really, He goes, yeah, yeah, I gat thanks,

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<v Speaker 4>and I hop in the back and all all happy

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<v Speaker 4>about it, and and so we start taking off. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>they're cops and they have to figure out, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>who I am. They're suspicious and they have to ask.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you doing? Where do you come from?

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<v Speaker 4>I said, well, you know, I met this girl at

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<v Speaker 4>USC We were at a party and she she lived

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<v Speaker 4>down here, so I came down here for two or

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<v Speaker 4>three days.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know how that happens. Man, I had plenty.

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<v Speaker 2>It was enough. I had to get the hell out

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<v Speaker 2>of there.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they're like, all of a sudden, and this

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<v Speaker 4>misogyny that I'm like leaning into, you know, it's man,

0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:05.160
<v Speaker 4>you get it.

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<v Speaker 2>Men and women just fucking they're they're wears out or whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>They got that, and then all of a sudden they

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<v Speaker 4>just calmed out, Yeah, yeah, we get it. And all

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<v Speaker 4>of a sudden, we're bros in that car because we're

0:20:16.800 --> 0:20:18.760
<v Speaker 4>all like, yeah, women, you know, they're all they're muff

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<v Speaker 4>us up. Everything was cool at that point, and I said,

0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:24.639
<v Speaker 4>he's hey, the officer told me that there's been some

0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:26.879
<v Speaker 4>accident or something back and then they share with me

0:20:26.960 --> 0:20:31.399
<v Speaker 4>that and there's officers who were shot, and there's a crash.

0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.360
<v Speaker 4>An officer crashed and the guy crashed. Then they say,

0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, but the bad guy. We got the bad guy.

0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.200
<v Speaker 4>And I said, well, what about the officer? I started

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<v Speaker 4>leaning into, like I'm a citizen and I care about.

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<v Speaker 2>You guys, and what about him? Is he all right?

0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:47.200
<v Speaker 2>And they say, oh, yeah, he's gonna be fine. I said,

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.480
<v Speaker 2>does you have a family. I'm really laying on.

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<v Speaker 4>The compassion for the cop thing so that they like me,

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<v Speaker 4>and they do.

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<v Speaker 2>They like me.

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<v Speaker 4>We pull over and there's a rest up back there

0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.040
<v Speaker 4>a couple of miles back. I said, you know what,

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<v Speaker 4>just leave me off with the rest of us, saying, hey,

0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.720
<v Speaker 4>taking a gas and said, you know what, it's my

0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:04.840
<v Speaker 4>uncle's car. And he didn't tell me that it overheats,

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<v Speaker 4>so just leave me here. I'm gonna make him come

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<v Speaker 4>down and get it. So then I said, they pull

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<v Speaker 4>over and I try to get out. There's no handles

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<v Speaker 4>in the back seat. So I'm like, oh wow, there's

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:18.879
<v Speaker 4>no handles back every time, like I've never been in

0:21:18.920 --> 0:21:21.400
<v Speaker 4>the back of a police car before. And I got

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<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand dollars my my, uh you know, I'm carrying

0:21:24.359 --> 0:21:28.800
<v Speaker 4>fifty thousand dollars I mean, and they say, uh, oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>we gotta let you out. So they let me out,

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<v Speaker 4>and you know, the cop in the passenger seat gets out,

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<v Speaker 4>lets me out.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they rolled over.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets back in, he rolls the window down, and

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<v Speaker 4>I said, hey, thank you, officers.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you guys giving me this ride.

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<v Speaker 4>And they were friendly to me, like we could take

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<v Speaker 4>you no pro I'm like, no, no, no thanks anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>and they drove.

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<v Speaker 2>Off, and I was like, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 4>Late at night, I get a call from an ex

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<v Speaker 4>Salmat Ahad in San Diego County jail and he says,

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<v Speaker 4>were you doing any work down here today? I said, yeah, ma'am.

0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:05.399
<v Speaker 4>He says, you're all over the TV. You're on Crime Stoppers.

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<v Speaker 4>They think that's your Pakistani and they think you live

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<v Speaker 4>at the Wana.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, all right, good to no good to know.

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<v Speaker 4>So those two guys had me in the back seat

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<v Speaker 4>of the car. They saw my face. I came to

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<v Speaker 4>the door. I looked at them, you know, hey, thank you,

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<v Speaker 4>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever.

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<v Speaker 4>The next morning, these guys come into work. They and

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<v Speaker 4>they like, we're looking for this mail. He robbed four

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<v Speaker 4>banks today. Have you see anything about If you have

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<v Speaker 4>any information, can you let us know? And I wanted

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<v Speaker 4>do those cops say, oh, we gotta go tell them

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<v Speaker 4>me at them, or do they say keep our mouths

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<v Speaker 4>fucking shut, don't tell anybody that we had this Kui

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<v Speaker 4>in our car and we drove him to get away.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll be right back Part three. I'm coming back to

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<v Speaker 3>get you.

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<v Speaker 7>First thing in the morning, nine o'clock. We opened right

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<v Speaker 7>on the dot. All the time.

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<v Speaker 3>This is a former bank teller who didn't want us

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<v Speaker 3>to use her name. She's one of the victims of

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<v Speaker 3>Joe's so called victimless crimes.

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<v Speaker 7>And this gentlemen walked straight to me quickly. I was

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<v Speaker 7>still kind of getting my stuff Freddy at my teller station,

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<v Speaker 7>and he approached me. He had on a trench coat, sunglasses,

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<v Speaker 7>He had dark hair, dark mustache.

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<v Speaker 8>White straight teeth. I remember his mouth because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>see his eyes when he approached.

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<v Speaker 7>I just had a weird feeling and like, why are

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<v Speaker 7>you wearing sunglasses in line in a bank. That's kind

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<v Speaker 7>of a dead giveaway. So I don't believe he gave

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<v Speaker 7>me a note. I think he told me, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>open the door and take.

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<v Speaker 8>Me to the vault. You know, I'm gonna rob you,

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<v Speaker 8>or something like that.

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<v Speaker 7>I can't remember but exactly what he said, but I

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<v Speaker 7>just remembered like, oh my god, and just pressing the

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<v Speaker 7>button for the alarm and being kind of comatose, but

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<v Speaker 7>letting him in like I would to anybody else. And

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<v Speaker 7>I walked back to the vault with him, and I

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<v Speaker 7>told him I don't have keys to anything, and he said,

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<v Speaker 7>get somebody who does, so We walked out of the

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<v Speaker 7>vault and to the first supervisor desk that we came across.

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<v Speaker 7>My supervisor had her head down and she was writing.

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<v Speaker 7>She doesn't even look up, and I said, I need

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<v Speaker 7>the keys to the vault.

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<v Speaker 8>She's like what.

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<v Speaker 7>She looks up and she sees me, and she sees

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<v Speaker 7>a horror in my face, and then she sees him

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<v Speaker 7>standing behind me, and we're behind the teller line, so

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<v Speaker 7>she knew it was not right. So she stood up

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<v Speaker 7>with me and we walked back to the vault. We

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<v Speaker 7>start walking back to the vault with him. She tells

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<v Speaker 7>me I only have one set, and she's she's like petrified.

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<v Speaker 7>And by this time we're back the door that I

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<v Speaker 7>let him in and it was taken a long time.

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<v Speaker 8>All of this took quite a while.

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<v Speaker 7>So he just turns around and he tells me, I'm

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<v Speaker 7>coming back to get you. He whispered it to me,

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<v Speaker 7>and he took off, and she fell down to the

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<v Speaker 7>ground crying, and I was trying to comfort her.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, he's gone, it's okay, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 7>And then I found out that our assistant bank manager

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<v Speaker 7>ran out after him to see which way he was

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<v Speaker 7>running and he opened his jacket and pulled out a gun,

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<v Speaker 7>and so the assistant bank manager ran back in the

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<v Speaker 7>building and locked the doors, which is what you're supposed

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<v Speaker 7>to do so they don't run back in. And then

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<v Speaker 7>we waited for the police and FBI to arrive and

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<v Speaker 7>to be interviewed.

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<v Speaker 8>But he got no money. Obviously, it took too long.

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<v Speaker 3>And then when he said what he said to you,

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<v Speaker 3>do you remember how you were feeling then.

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<v Speaker 7>In shock, couldn't believe it was happening, but just trying

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<v Speaker 7>to obey his commands to let him in to the vault.

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<v Speaker 3>So what happened afterwards?

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<v Speaker 7>After I talked to the FBI and I was let

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<v Speaker 7>go for the day, obviously not going back to work,

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<v Speaker 7>and it was it took a long time. I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think I left until like two in the afternoon, so

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<v Speaker 7>that was there for hours, and I remember, okay, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I was fine, like, yeah, I get the afternoon off,

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of you know, he's gone, and I did

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<v Speaker 7>tell I do remember telling the FBI, why did he

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<v Speaker 7>tell me he was coming back to get me? And

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<v Speaker 7>they said they say that to scare you, so you forget,

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<v Speaker 7>you forget what they look like. They forget you forget

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<v Speaker 7>what any details what they told you. The whole incident

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<v Speaker 7>just tries to scare you, and I go, oh, okay.

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<v Speaker 7>So when I left at two o'clock that afternoon, I

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<v Speaker 7>walked out of the building by myself.

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<v Speaker 8>Nobody walked me to my car, and.

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<v Speaker 7>That's when I started freaking out because I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 7>safe and I thought he was out there waiting for me,

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<v Speaker 7>even though they tried to assure me I was just

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<v Speaker 7>I ran to my car and started crying.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because I thought he was out there. Yeah, he

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<v Speaker 8>scared me.

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<v Speaker 3>How long did that stay with you?

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<v Speaker 7>Probably about six to eight weeks. I couldn't drive at

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<v Speaker 7>night or to school. My parents had to pick me

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<v Speaker 7>up from college if I had a night class, and nightmares.

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<v Speaker 7>We lived in a two story house, had some big windows,

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<v Speaker 7>and I would dream or wake up that he was

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<v Speaker 7>just if I looked out the window, he'd be standing

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<v Speaker 7>there on the sidewalk, those types of things. Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 7>about two months, I never forgot his face.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, if you could say anything to him today, what

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<v Speaker 5>would you say?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, jeez, that's a load of question. I guess.

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<v Speaker 7>I have a lot of compassion for people. I'm very

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<v Speaker 7>Catholic so and and forgiveness is huge with me. So

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<v Speaker 7>if I could say anything to him, I would say,

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<v Speaker 7>good luck. Life is better when it's when you're living

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<v Speaker 7>it right, not bad.

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<v Speaker 3>If if you could have him say anything to you,

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<v Speaker 3>what would you like him to say to you?

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<v Speaker 8>I don't. I don't.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe just said it wasn't personal, had nothing to do

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<v Speaker 7>with me, and he's not going to come back to

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<v Speaker 7>get me.

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<v Speaker 3>Joe, what do you think about listening to that?

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<v Speaker 9>Sorry? Hard to listen to the man's hard to listen

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<v Speaker 9>to them. I feel terrible. Mm hm, I felt terrible, man. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 9>I had all that congested rage and I didn't give

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<v Speaker 9>a fuck about myself anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Man.

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<v Speaker 4>You know it was the saying I know it wasn't

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<v Speaker 4>a victimless crime. That's really and and I know you

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<v Speaker 4>know in the abstract that I went and hurt people

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<v Speaker 4>and they took him with him, and she just verified that.

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<v Speaker 4>And to hear it in in you know that concrete way,

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<v Speaker 4>I struggle sometimes. I'm very confident, very bold. I got

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<v Speaker 4>at of Bravado, I got a lot of you know, confidence.

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<v Speaker 4>Where I feel the weakest is in my regret and

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<v Speaker 4>shame for the way I treated women. So I hated

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:15.520
<v Speaker 4>guys who were fucking weak and manipulative and trying to

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<v Speaker 4>prey on women. And I hated them because I felt like,

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<v Speaker 4>you sons of bitches are reminding me of me, and

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<v Speaker 4>I do not like that you reminding me that I

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<v Speaker 4>was like that. Fucking I don't. I mean, if I

0:30:26.400 --> 0:30:28.520
<v Speaker 4>get upset in the world now, it's a that and

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<v Speaker 4>I realize that. I get mad at men who remind

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<v Speaker 4>me that I was that because it's so fucking shameful.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you ever do you ever get away from the shame?

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<v Speaker 3>Does it ever grow away?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I know it's always a low. It's like

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<v Speaker 4>Tonight's It's always there, and sometimes it's really low and

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<v Speaker 4>sometimes it's really high. And that's my struggle. So I

0:30:51.920 --> 0:30:53.640
<v Speaker 4>feel so fucking low.

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<v Speaker 2>Mmm. I feel bad for her.

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<v Speaker 9>You know, obviously I wouldn't do anything to hurt her, right,

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<v Speaker 9>She's such a resilient person.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that love.

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<v Speaker 4>She has such compassion. It's beautiful. It's not victimless. You

0:31:08.480 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 4>gotta hurt people to get that money. I had to

0:31:11.560 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 4>scare of them. And it's such a petty little man,

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<v Speaker 4>such a petty little fucking man.

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<v Speaker 9>Ah, I mean, I was crying listen. It just broke

0:31:25.920 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 9>my heart to remember that that was the guy who

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<v Speaker 9>inflicted that m on her.

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<v Speaker 3>Just it's just.

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<v Speaker 2>I think, what's all hard about it?

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<v Speaker 4>Too? I know my mother would have loved me through

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<v Speaker 4>it all, but a fucking shame. I shamed the memory

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<v Speaker 4>of my mother by doing that to these good women.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think that I think that that is.

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<v Speaker 9>Uh, that's one of the hard things about it too,

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<v Speaker 9>you know, mm hmmm. The fuck man is terrible.

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