1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: Joe Loyer has agreed to answer our questions, so please 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: send yours to info at Orbitmedia dot fm or leave 3 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: them in the comments on Spotify or Apple. 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:12,760 Speaker 2: Thank you. 5 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: Hi there, It's Steve Fishman from Orbit Media and this 6 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: is Get the Money and Run. In today's episode, episode four, 7 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: Joe recounts his glorious days of bank robbing. He robbed 8 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: more than thirty banks in one fourteen months free and 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: I admit he sure makes bank rubbing sound like fun. 10 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: Remember to bingoel seven episodes ad free. Subscribe to True 11 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: Crime Clubhouse on Apple podcasts. Okay, over to Ben. 12 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:51,599 Speaker 3: You are listening to The Burden Season four, Get the 13 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Money and Run. I'm Benadir and this is episode four 14 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: Life and Crimes. 15 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: When did you rob your first bolt? That was December. 16 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: And I was pissed that I only got ten thousand 17 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 4: dollars with six bricks of money. But I was like, hey, 18 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,760 Speaker 4: I know how to do this now, let me you know, 19 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 4: let me go back two months later, let me try 20 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: it again. I mean I was let me get six 21 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 4: other bricks of money. So I do the same thing. 22 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 4: I walk in the same front door, not the back. 23 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 3: I came to the same exact bank. 24 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: Same freaking bank. And why did you do that? I 25 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 4: was telling you I had scored here. I had gotten 26 00:01:40,240 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 4: into the place easily. I just took the wrong amount 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 4: of loot. So I'm like, I'm gonna do this again. 28 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 4: It was easy. 29 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 2: I now know how to dance in there easier. 30 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna be coming to the front. I can 31 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: concentrate more of the money. Rip open the thing. See 32 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 4: what I'm pulling out, that kind of thing before I 33 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: take the money. I feel like confident this time, I'm 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:04,480 Speaker 4: gonna get twenties and fifties and hundreds. 35 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: I walk in, I walk up to a woman. 36 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:11,799 Speaker 4: Who's at the front of the bank and I tell 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 4: you tigma to the vaunt. But then I look over 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 4: to my right and all the fucking staff are on me. 39 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 2: They're looking at me. They're on the phone, they're like 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 2: what I'm like. 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 4: Everyone had clocked me coming in, and I realized, oh shit, 42 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 4: Like I can't go one more minute in here, man, 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 4: I like, they stop me. They they they blocked me 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 4: to that fucking that vault. Man. They're like, you ain't 45 00:02:38,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 4: getting that vault again. They recognized me instantly, and I 46 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: thought I was just like I actually had a feeling 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 4: a bullshit, you know, expectation that I could just blend in, 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:51,400 Speaker 4: I could just walk in with the rest of the 49 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 4: people and just walk up and no, man, they were 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,639 Speaker 4: there to beat on me as soon as I walked 51 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: in the front door, and so I just walked right up. 52 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 5: Yeah. 53 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: I thought it was like. 54 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 4: Kind of a sexy bank robber, because you know, look 55 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: at I had these clothes, and a couple of times 56 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 4: I did some funny or you know, I did some 57 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,240 Speaker 4: cool getaway things. But I was I was not happy 58 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 4: with the way I went. And I'm really recognizing that 59 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 4: I was an amateur. 60 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 2: H I'm not impressed. Yah h. 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 3: Part one bank Bank Bank Bank, Bank Joe is the 62 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 3: easiest bank you robbed. 63 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: The easiest bank I robbed was actually in a mall, 64 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 4: not like an indoor mall. 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: It's like a walking plusa mall. 66 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, there's an Orange County somewhere. And I 67 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: walk in and it's super tiny. I mean, the lobby 68 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,120 Speaker 4: is so small that basically there's two or three taller's 69 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: max and then to the left in the lobby is 70 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 4: a little patch of carpet and one little tiny desk 71 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 4: on there for the manager or somebody that's it. It's 72 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 4: a little, barely nothing bank. And when I walk in, 73 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 4: no customers, no manager, There's just two women in the 74 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:48,120 Speaker 4: tewer stations there in their stools talking to each other, 75 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 4: head sideways, talking to each other. I walk in, they 76 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 4: look at me. I look around and it is the 77 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 4: most peculiar bank I've ever walked in. It's just it's 78 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 4: almost like it's pretending to be a bank. It's so skinny, narrow, tiny, 79 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: little cute lobby and these two women are looking at me, 80 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 4: and I'm looking at them and I say, yeah, you 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 4: know what this is. 82 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 2: It's a robbery, give me your money. 83 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 4: Just like I just like start walking up to them, 84 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 4: like yeah, this is what this could just it was 85 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 4: really peculiar, and they just start they look at me, 86 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 4: and just like I say yeah, and I give maybe, 87 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 4: give my spiel whatever. I don't have to do much 88 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,720 Speaker 4: to persuade him. They're like, let's do this, and they 89 00:05:25,800 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 4: just start putting the money up. And they're putting the 90 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 4: money up. So like I'm over here at this teller 91 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 4: and I'm dumping money in my bag and I'm going 92 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:33,360 Speaker 4: to other dumping money in my bag. Oh you put 93 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 4: some more money out, Let me go get that, and like, 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 4: I just collect the money and I leave. The second 95 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 4: other easiest robbery, but it was only one teller was 96 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:44,920 Speaker 4: a bank. I walked in and before I could finish 97 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:47,120 Speaker 4: my spiel, she started giving me the money. 98 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: Like you didn't even ask for the money. 99 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 4: She just I didn't even ask for like big bills first. 100 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 4: She starts giving me the big bills first. And there 101 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: was a moment where I was like, man, you might 102 00:05:56,320 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 4: want to slow down. I thought, if anyone looks at 103 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,680 Speaker 4: these this camera afterwards, they're gonna know that you gave 104 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 4: me that money way too fast and like without question, 105 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: without resistance. I wasn't even done. They're gonna think we 106 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: were in cahoots. That's what I thought, Like. 107 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,000 Speaker 2: Huh, it was that easy, And I think it almost. 108 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 4: Felt like after when I was trying to figure out 109 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,599 Speaker 4: what was that? Why did that happen? 110 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: Like that? That was just too freaking easy. 111 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: I thought, you know what, maybe her boyfriend told her, Hey, man, 112 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 4: I'm sending Sammy in this afternoon, you know, and he's 113 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 4: a Mexican dude, and she's gonna ask him. I just 114 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 4: give it him and we can make out that way, 115 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 4: and so she thought I was Sammy when I was. 116 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: You came in and she thought she thought someone else 117 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: was coming to rob. 118 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 2: It wasn't. 119 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: It wasn't inside job. Sort of just wrong guy, just. 120 00:06:40,279 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 4: A guy who was outside of the inside. But I 121 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 4: mean that's what it felt like, almost like she like, 122 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 4: oh yeah, yes, Greek week. Nudge nudge, here's the money. 123 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,359 Speaker 4: Thanks for coming in to make it looking. 124 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 2: Like a robbery. 125 00:06:50,800 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: She gets him that night, She's like, where's my cut. 126 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 4: Down to San Diego? And I decide that I'm gonna 127 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: rob a bunch of banks. One day, I get off 128 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 4: the freeway. I'm parking on the corner of a bank 129 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:13,560 Speaker 4: parking lot. But that's not the bank I'm gonna rob. 130 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 4: I walked past this bank because the bank I want 131 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 4: to rob was actually down that there was a shrubbery, 132 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 4: and then there was an incline where I went decline 133 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 4: into another parking lot where there was a bank. So 134 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 4: it's two banks right next to each other, two bankshark 135 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 4: next to each other, but there are different levels and 136 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:35,240 Speaker 4: a small hill with this crazy shrubbery, and so you know, 137 00:07:35,240 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 4: I had to kind of run down the ruk through 138 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 4: the shrubbery to get down there. 139 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 2: Big bank. 140 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 4: And that was a strange bank because when I walked in, 141 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: it's like it just opened. It was one of those 142 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 4: things where I was I always liked to rob early, 143 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 4: and clearly I was a first customer. There's only one 144 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 4: person in that bank, and she was over here on 145 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 4: the side at a desk talking to somebody, and she 146 00:07:56,680 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 4: looks at me, and I heard her say, well, I 147 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 4: gotta get going. I got a customer, and I realized 148 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: that's my teller. She's out here in the lobby talking 149 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: to somebody, somebody on the phone, the. 150 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: Phone, the phone talking. Soon there's only her and me 151 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: in there. 152 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 4: So when she's done, she's kind of far from me, 153 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 4: you know, a couple of desks down on the lobby, 154 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 4: you know, far from me. So she gets off the 155 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 4: phone and she now has to like walk further away 156 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 4: from me to get to a door on my far 157 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 4: left over there to get to the inside the tawler station. 158 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 4: And so I walk up to the teler station. She's 159 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 4: a little short woman, and she starts walking to me 160 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 4: past telestation one, past OEt station. 161 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: Two, and I'm just sitting and watching this way. 162 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 3: It's like she's like going on a journey in order 163 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 3: to get robbed. 164 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 4: And so she's calming to me, and you know, she's 165 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 4: walking and I'm watching her. Still nobody walking in from 166 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 4: the outside, Still no customers walking in, still whatever, And 167 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 4: I rob her. I basically like, this is a fucking robber. 168 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: Give me the money now. I just like, don't make 169 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 4: me pull the gun, and like, let's do this. And 170 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 4: she is so angry at me, she is so pissed. 171 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, she had their walk halfway around the block. 172 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 2: I made her work to come over. Just get robbed. 173 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 4: And the woman is resisting every way imaginable. I'm trying her, 174 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 4: give me the big bills, she's giving me the ones. 175 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: I'm trying her, you know whatever, anyway she can resist. 176 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 4: She's resisting, and I'm mad. And it shows you one thing. 177 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 4: As much as I want to terrorize people, if they 178 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: don't want to be terrorized, they're not going to be terrorized. 179 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 4: And I'm not jumping over the counter. I'm not going 180 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,000 Speaker 4: to shoot them. I'm not gonna pistol whip them. I 181 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 4: have to rely that I'm persuasive up with my rage 182 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 4: to get them to do it. And this one for 183 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 4: whatever reason, she wasn't persuaded. She made it super hard 184 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 4: for me, and I could tell I wasn't even getting 185 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:55,959 Speaker 4: that much money. 186 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 2: So I leave. They're mad. So I'm walking across the 187 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 2: fucking parking lot, pissed off, walking. 188 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 4: Through this truck, motherfuckingrubbery, walking the field, walking across the 189 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 4: parking lot, and I'm passing this bank on the way 190 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 4: to my car. This is the first bank I passed 191 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 4: to get to this bank, and I'm like, fuck it, man, 192 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: we rob and I walk in there, and even though 193 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 4: the cops are on the way, I was all this rage, 194 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 4: knowing that I got a little money, pretty sure. I've 195 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 4: liket thumb through and realized, man, I may have only 196 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:25,440 Speaker 4: got twelve hundred bucks, you know, a little chump change. 197 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 2: And it fucking was long and hard to get that 198 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 2: chump change. I got played. 199 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 4: I walked in there and I robbed that bank too, 200 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 4: and I walk out to get away. 201 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,839 Speaker 2: And that was because I was mad. I was just mad. 202 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: It was a funky bank rubbery, man, So like, it's 203 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 4: not all of them are not? All of them were 204 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 4: about you know, look at me, man, pristine will fucking 205 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 4: you know, forged my way and got what I wanted. Nah, 206 00:10:52,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 4: that woman wasn't having it. 207 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 2: Man, she was. 208 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 4: I may have been too nice on the way, I 209 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: don't know, journey into me and she's like, yeah, fake 210 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 4: a fright, got it out, Joe. 211 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 3: At what point did you feel like, Okay, I'm good 212 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 3: at this, I'm rocking it. I'm a really good bank robber. 213 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: La Joya bank was gorgeous. 214 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,079 Speaker 4: It had pillars in it, like marble pillars in it, 215 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 4: like a Greek temple kind of thing. 216 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 2: It was crazy. 217 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 4: It was like the most prestigious looking bank I robbed. 218 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 4: And you would think you I'd be intimidated, but I 219 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 4: wasn't it. And the reason I know I wasn't nervous, 220 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 4: and the reason I know I was adept this one 221 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 4: actually had a guard at the front door, right at 222 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 4: the front door inside standing on a stool. The inside 223 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 4: of the bank was circular, like almost i'd say circular, 224 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 4: but it was more like a horseshoe. And what I 225 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: did is when I went in line, I got called 226 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 4: to the teller furthest from the guard at the front 227 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 4: off to the top of the horseshoe on the left 228 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:58,840 Speaker 4: hand side. And they had doors. There wasn't just one 229 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,200 Speaker 4: front door. Here there was door exits, so when I 230 00:12:02,280 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 4: was done, I was able to just walk out of 231 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: another exit back there. So I was able to rob 232 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 4: that bank with a garden at walk away and never 233 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:11,679 Speaker 4: get chased. 234 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: What's the most you ever got out. 235 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 2: Of one day? 236 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 4: It was Intestine, it was the Savings and Loan and 237 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 4: I'm wearing a for doorra trench coat. It's raining out, 238 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 4: so I look goofy, but I don't look completely. 239 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:34,679 Speaker 2: Out of the line. 240 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 4: I mean, it's not like a summer, hot summer day, 241 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 4: and like, why is that guy with a for door 242 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: in trench call? You kind of understand, but I walk in. 243 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 4: I walk to the manager's on a desk in the lobby. 244 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 4: I tell her we have a bomb. I have a gun. 245 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: Take me to the vault. She opens the door, no problem, 246 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 4: grabs a key, gets up, and starts walking me across 247 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 4: the lobby, totally compliant. She calls a woman behind the counter, 248 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 4: and you know, she's like, whatever, Linda, meet me at 249 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 4: the vault. And Linda's like okay, and so she starts 250 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 4: walking to the vault. We're walking across the lobby. The 251 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 4: manager I'm with opens up the door, lets us into 252 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 4: the back closes the door, and now we're all three 253 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:14,680 Speaker 4: in front of this vault door. They open the door, 254 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 4: they step inside, I step inside with them. The two 255 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 4: women are now opening a second door, so they both 256 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:25,439 Speaker 4: neither key to unlocked that. Now, once they get in 257 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 4: the vault and you know, kind of like push them 258 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 4: in the vault, they get in there. Now we're in 259 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: the vault, and right as you walk in, right in 260 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 4: front of you, it looks like a library index card box. 261 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: Like the old school, the old school carter. 262 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 4: Then when you pull them out, they're really long, they're 263 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 4: really you know, small little files. 264 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 3: But I'm guessing this one's not filled with library book notes. 265 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 3: That's filled with money. 266 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,199 Speaker 4: It's deep and it's long, and it's filled with rows 267 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: of money. So there's twenties and tens and fives. Once 268 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,079 Speaker 4: thinking is I just reach in and I start taking 269 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 4: all the money out, and I could see what I'm getting. 270 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 4: I'm getting all the money. As soon as I'm done, 271 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 4: and this goes fast, I look over, threaten him again, 272 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 4: don't turn around, A count to one hundred, whatever, I 273 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 4: go step out of that door. Now, I try to 274 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 4: go to the door that I had been let into 275 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 4: by the manager into the tailor station area. 276 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 2: It's locked. 277 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: I don't have a key, so like I got to 278 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:26,200 Speaker 4: hop the out the counter to get into the lobby 279 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 4: to get out the bank. Fortunately for me, there's a 280 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 4: small counter off to the right, the one for handicaps. 281 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 4: So you're sitting there at a wheelchair. You can do 282 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 4: your work while you're sitting down. And so I have 283 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 4: to step on a chair, step on that jump off 284 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 4: into the lobby and I look around and there's people 285 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: looking at me. I'm you know, I'm a guy jumping 286 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 4: over a counter. And I remember when I saw the 287 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 4: movie Public Enemies with Johnny Depp, there's this one badass 288 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 4: scene where he puts his hand on the counter and 289 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 4: he hops over it like he's hopping over a small fence, 290 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 4: sort of starts being yeah, and his coat's coming over. 291 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 4: He's wearing the for door and I looked at that. 292 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: I was like, man, that looks sexy as fucking I 293 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 4: was like, I did that for door on a trench coat, 294 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 4: Like I'm that dude right like, And but I remember 295 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 4: looking at them thinking that it's fucking cool. And I 296 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 4: didn't actually put my hand on there, and like hop over, 297 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 4: I stepped over, but it had the same feel like 298 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: you know, when everyone looks over me, they know that, okay, 299 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 4: some of these baths going on. This guy's walking out 300 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: of here. He looks at us with menace and he 301 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 4: engages everything, assesses were all right, and he walks out 302 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,960 Speaker 4: of here fast, so they know I. 303 00:15:33,000 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: Just robbed the place. 304 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 4: I get out the bank and I just start running. 305 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 4: I get to my car, I drive away, and you 306 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: know I'm far enough away to pull over, because you 307 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 4: know that's the thing. You know, I got a lot 308 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 4: of money. I wonder how much I got. You know, 309 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,120 Speaker 4: I'm not gonna drive forty five minutes home on our 310 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:51,560 Speaker 4: home to find out how much money I got. I'm 311 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: gonna find out as soon as I feel safe. 312 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: I pull over. 313 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 4: I count it thirty two thousand plus. Oh wow, yeah, 314 00:15:58,840 --> 00:15:59,520 Speaker 4: my biggest hole. 315 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:02,520 Speaker 3: How did it feel after getting that much money? 316 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: Felt good? I mean, I love you home with as 317 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 2: the stupidest question. 318 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 3: All right, we'll be right back. Part two. Nice guys 319 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: finished first. 320 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 4: Okay, so we're on the five going north out of 321 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 4: San Diego, North San Diego County. 322 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: I was driving home. I just robbed four banks in 323 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 2: San Diego. 324 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:40,880 Speaker 4: I got like fifty thousand dollars on me, a little 325 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 4: over fifty thousand dollars on me in a fanning pack 326 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 4: in the backseat. 327 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 2: And I get to a point where. 328 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: I'm driving and I could see far ahead, like I 329 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 4: could see part of the freeway winding there, and it 330 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: was all red lights, and I quickly came to a stop. 331 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 4: It was parking lot. It was we stopped, and we stopped, 332 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,080 Speaker 4: and that was it. And you were inching ford at 333 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 4: the crazy minute rate. Could don understand why maybe it 334 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:08,920 Speaker 4: was around here? 335 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 6: Well, in this part of I five, coming between San 336 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 6: Diego and LA this is Camp Pendleton. So there's nowhere 337 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:17,960 Speaker 6: to get off the freeway. There's no exit ramps, there's 338 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 6: just like there's nothing. There's just freeway and you're stuck on. 339 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 4: It, and you're stuck on it for like five miles 340 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 4: or something like that. There's there's nothing you can do. 341 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 4: I'm thinking they're looking for me. They have clearly. 342 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 2: Decided that I robbed banks, and they're shut down. 343 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 4: The freewheel be ahead. So I'm like, Okay, I get 344 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 4: how this works. So I don't know exactly what I'm 345 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 4: gonna do. I'm kind of panicking, but pretty soon the 346 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 4: decision is taken from me because my car starts overheating, 347 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 4: and I what so like a inch inch inch, like 348 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 4: I let people like, hey, let me go, let me 349 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 4: get through, let me get I gotta go off the right. 350 00:17:58,040 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 4: So I get off the right and I go on 351 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 4: this lane right here, and so I part my car 352 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,360 Speaker 4: maybe about right here actually, and then I get out 353 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 4: of my car and I put the money around my 354 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,680 Speaker 4: ways and I start walking off this off ramp here. 355 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 4: So I walk down this off ramp and down here 356 00:18:19,080 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 4: at the bottom of the off ramp, his car parked 357 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 4: waving everyone in. 358 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 2: There is the cop. 359 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 4: Now he can see that. You know clearly I wasn't 360 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 4: trying to get over, and I don't have my car. 361 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 2: I'm not here. I said, is there a gas station 362 00:18:31,480 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: or something on there? 363 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 4: He goes, no, you got to go under the freeway 364 00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 4: here and go back where you came from three miles 365 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 4: four miles back, there's a gas station. I'm like, all right, thanks, 366 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: And I'm really trying to do the like I'm I'm 367 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 4: a college kid and I'm fucked up and you're the authority. 368 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,280 Speaker 4: And I apologize, and he was like, you know, he 369 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 4: actually was nice about it, and I don't care because 370 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 4: I got away. I'm like good, I'm kidding away. I 371 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 4: got I've got bath. Yeah, I'm good. I'm going this way. 372 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 4: And then I just like startled, like whoo whoop. And 373 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 4: I turn around and there's a highway patrol car right 374 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 4: pulling up to me. 375 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 2: What are you doing? 376 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 4: I said, Well, that guy your officer down there, your 377 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,880 Speaker 4: your buddy whatever. He he told my car overheat. I'm 378 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:15,919 Speaker 4: like all bumbling it. 379 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 2: He told me. 380 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 4: That that I could go this way because I don't, 381 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,440 Speaker 4: you know my car overheatedn't and just panicking, like pretending 382 00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:24,640 Speaker 4: like I'm just so scared of everyone's authority. 383 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 2: And they're like, get in the backseat, we'll take it there. 384 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,720 Speaker 4: I said, really, He goes, yeah, yeah, I gat thanks, 385 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 4: and I hop in the back and all all happy 386 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 4: about it, and and so we start taking off. You know, 387 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 4: they're cops and they have to figure out, you know, 388 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:42,360 Speaker 4: who I am. They're suspicious and they have to ask. 389 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 2: What are you doing? Where do you come from? 390 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 4: I said, well, you know, I met this girl at 391 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 4: USC We were at a party and she she lived 392 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 4: down here, so I came down here for two or 393 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: three days. 394 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,439 Speaker 2: But you know how that happens. Man, I had plenty. 395 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: It was enough. I had to get the hell out 396 00:19:58,560 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 2: of there. 397 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 4: And then they're like, all of a sudden, and this 398 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 4: misogyny that I'm like leaning into, you know, it's man, 399 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 4: you get it. 400 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 2: Men and women just fucking they're they're wears out or whatever. 401 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,239 Speaker 4: They got that, and then all of a sudden they 402 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 4: just calmed out, Yeah, yeah, we get it. And all 403 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: of a sudden, we're bros in that car because we're 404 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 4: all like, yeah, women, you know, they're all they're muff 405 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,200 Speaker 4: us up. Everything was cool at that point, and I said, 406 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 4: he's hey, the officer told me that there's been some 407 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:26,879 Speaker 4: accident or something back and then they share with me 408 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:31,399 Speaker 4: that and there's officers who were shot, and there's a crash. 409 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 4: An officer crashed and the guy crashed. Then they say, 410 00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 4: you know, but the bad guy. We got the bad guy. 411 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 4: And I said, well, what about the officer? I started 412 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 4: leaning into, like I'm a citizen and I care about. 413 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 2: You guys, and what about him? Is he all right? 414 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 2: And they say, oh, yeah, he's gonna be fine. I said, 415 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,480 Speaker 2: does you have a family. I'm really laying on. 416 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 4: The compassion for the cop thing so that they like me, 417 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 4: and they do. 418 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: They like me. 419 00:20:53,800 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 4: We pull over and there's a rest up back there 420 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 4: a couple of miles back. I said, you know what, 421 00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,719 Speaker 4: just leave me off with the rest of us, saying, hey, 422 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 4: taking a gas and said, you know what, it's my 423 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 4: uncle's car. And he didn't tell me that it overheats, 424 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 4: so just leave me here. I'm gonna make him come 425 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 4: down and get it. So then I said, they pull 426 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 4: over and I try to get out. There's no handles 427 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: in the back seat. So I'm like, oh wow, there's 428 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,879 Speaker 4: no handles back every time, like I've never been in 429 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,400 Speaker 4: the back of a police car before. And I got 430 00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars my my, uh you know, I'm carrying 431 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 4: fifty thousand dollars I mean, and they say, uh, oh yeah, 432 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,320 Speaker 4: we gotta let you out. So they let me out, 433 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,360 Speaker 4: and you know, the cop in the passenger seat gets out, 434 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 4: lets me out. 435 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 2: And then they rolled over. 436 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 4: He gets back in, he rolls the window down, and 437 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 4: I said, hey, thank you, officers. 438 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys giving me this ride. 439 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 4: And they were friendly to me, like we could take 440 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 4: you no pro I'm like, no, no, no thanks anyway, 441 00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 4: and they drove. 442 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 2: Off, and I was like, what the fuck? 443 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 4: Late at night, I get a call from an ex 444 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,640 Speaker 4: Salmat Ahad in San Diego County jail and he says, 445 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,439 Speaker 4: were you doing any work down here today? I said, yeah, ma'am. 446 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 4: He says, you're all over the TV. You're on Crime Stoppers. 447 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 4: They think that's your Pakistani and they think you live 448 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 4: at the Wana. 449 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 2: I was like, all right, good to no good to know. 450 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 4: So those two guys had me in the back seat 451 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 4: of the car. They saw my face. I came to 452 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,959 Speaker 4: the door. I looked at them, you know, hey, thank you, 453 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 4: appreciate it. 454 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:24,199 Speaker 2: Whatever. 455 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 4: The next morning, these guys come into work. They and 456 00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 4: they like, we're looking for this mail. He robbed four 457 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 4: banks today. Have you see anything about If you have 458 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:37,040 Speaker 4: any information, can you let us know? And I wanted 459 00:22:37,080 --> 00:22:40,159 Speaker 4: do those cops say, oh, we gotta go tell them 460 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: me at them, or do they say keep our mouths 461 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 4: fucking shut, don't tell anybody that we had this Kui 462 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 4: in our car and we drove him to get away. 463 00:22:53,800 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 3: We'll be right back Part three. I'm coming back to 464 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: get you. 465 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 7: First thing in the morning, nine o'clock. We opened right 466 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 7: on the dot. All the time. 467 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 3: This is a former bank teller who didn't want us 468 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 3: to use her name. She's one of the victims of 469 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 3: Joe's so called victimless crimes. 470 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 7: And this gentlemen walked straight to me quickly. I was 471 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 7: still kind of getting my stuff Freddy at my teller station, 472 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 7: and he approached me. He had on a trench coat, sunglasses, 473 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 7: He had dark hair, dark mustache. 474 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 8: White straight teeth. I remember his mouth because I couldn't 475 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 8: see his eyes when he approached. 476 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 7: I just had a weird feeling and like, why are 477 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,720 Speaker 7: you wearing sunglasses in line in a bank. That's kind 478 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 7: of a dead giveaway. So I don't believe he gave 479 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 7: me a note. I think he told me, you know, 480 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 7: open the door and take. 481 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 8: Me to the vault. You know, I'm gonna rob you, 482 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:01,679 Speaker 8: or something like that. 483 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 7: I can't remember but exactly what he said, but I 484 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,639 Speaker 7: just remembered like, oh my god, and just pressing the 485 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 7: button for the alarm and being kind of comatose, but 486 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 7: letting him in like I would to anybody else. And 487 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 7: I walked back to the vault with him, and I 488 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 7: told him I don't have keys to anything, and he said, 489 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,040 Speaker 7: get somebody who does, so We walked out of the 490 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 7: vault and to the first supervisor desk that we came across. 491 00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 7: My supervisor had her head down and she was writing. 492 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 7: She doesn't even look up, and I said, I need 493 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:33,479 Speaker 7: the keys to the vault. 494 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 8: She's like what. 495 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,160 Speaker 7: She looks up and she sees me, and she sees 496 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 7: a horror in my face, and then she sees him 497 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,439 Speaker 7: standing behind me, and we're behind the teller line, so 498 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 7: she knew it was not right. So she stood up 499 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 7: with me and we walked back to the vault. We 500 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 7: start walking back to the vault with him. She tells 501 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 7: me I only have one set, and she's she's like petrified. 502 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 7: And by this time we're back the door that I 503 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 7: let him in and it was taken a long time. 504 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 8: All of this took quite a while. 505 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 7: So he just turns around and he tells me, I'm 506 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 7: coming back to get you. He whispered it to me, 507 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,720 Speaker 7: and he took off, and she fell down to the 508 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 7: ground crying, and I was trying to comfort her. 509 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 8: I'm like, he's gone, it's okay, it's okay. 510 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 7: And then I found out that our assistant bank manager 511 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,040 Speaker 7: ran out after him to see which way he was 512 00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 7: running and he opened his jacket and pulled out a gun, 513 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 7: and so the assistant bank manager ran back in the 514 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 7: building and locked the doors, which is what you're supposed 515 00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 7: to do so they don't run back in. And then 516 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,840 Speaker 7: we waited for the police and FBI to arrive and 517 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:46,720 Speaker 7: to be interviewed. 518 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 8: But he got no money. Obviously, it took too long. 519 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: And then when he said what he said to you, 520 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: do you remember how you were feeling then. 521 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 7: In shock, couldn't believe it was happening, but just trying 522 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 7: to obey his commands to let him in to the vault. 523 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 3: So what happened afterwards? 524 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 7: After I talked to the FBI and I was let 525 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 7: go for the day, obviously not going back to work, 526 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 7: and it was it took a long time. I don't 527 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 7: think I left until like two in the afternoon, so 528 00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 7: that was there for hours, and I remember, okay, you know, 529 00:26:28,520 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 7: I was fine, like, yeah, I get the afternoon off, 530 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,400 Speaker 7: I kind of you know, he's gone, and I did 531 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,439 Speaker 7: tell I do remember telling the FBI, why did he 532 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 7: tell me he was coming back to get me? And 533 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 7: they said they say that to scare you, so you forget, 534 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 7: you forget what they look like. They forget you forget 535 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,080 Speaker 7: what any details what they told you. The whole incident 536 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 7: just tries to scare you, and I go, oh, okay. 537 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 7: So when I left at two o'clock that afternoon, I 538 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 7: walked out of the building by myself. 539 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 8: Nobody walked me to my car, and. 540 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 7: That's when I started freaking out because I didn't feel 541 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,399 Speaker 7: safe and I thought he was out there waiting for me, 542 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 7: even though they tried to assure me I was just 543 00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 7: I ran to my car and started crying. 544 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 8: Yeah, because I thought he was out there. Yeah, he 545 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 8: scared me. 546 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 3: How long did that stay with you? 547 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 7: Probably about six to eight weeks. I couldn't drive at 548 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 7: night or to school. My parents had to pick me 549 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 7: up from college if I had a night class, and nightmares. 550 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,639 Speaker 7: We lived in a two story house, had some big windows, 551 00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 7: and I would dream or wake up that he was 552 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 7: just if I looked out the window, he'd be standing 553 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,200 Speaker 7: there on the sidewalk, those types of things. Yeah, for 554 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 7: about two months, I never forgot his face. 555 00:27:51,480 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, if you could say anything to him today, what 556 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 5: would you say? 557 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,240 Speaker 8: Oh, jeez, that's a load of question. I guess. 558 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,120 Speaker 7: I have a lot of compassion for people. I'm very 559 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 7: Catholic so and and forgiveness is huge with me. So 560 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,600 Speaker 7: if I could say anything to him, I would say, 561 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 7: good luck. Life is better when it's when you're living 562 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 7: it right, not bad. 563 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 3: If if you could have him say anything to you, 564 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: what would you like him to say to you? 565 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 8: I don't. I don't. 566 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 7: Maybe just said it wasn't personal, had nothing to do 567 00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 7: with me, and he's not going to come back to 568 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:47,600 Speaker 7: get me. 569 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 3: Joe, what do you think about listening to that? 570 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 9: Sorry? Hard to listen to the man's hard to listen 571 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 9: to them. I feel terrible. Mm hm, I felt terrible, man. Yeah, 572 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 9: I had all that congested rage and I didn't give 573 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 9: a fuck about myself anybody. 574 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 2: Man. 575 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 4: You know it was the saying I know it wasn't 576 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: a victimless crime. That's really and and I know you 577 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 4: know in the abstract that I went and hurt people 578 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 4: and they took him with him, and she just verified that. 579 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 4: And to hear it in in you know that concrete way, 580 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: I struggle sometimes. I'm very confident, very bold. I got 581 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: at of Bravado, I got a lot of you know, confidence. 582 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 4: Where I feel the weakest is in my regret and 583 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 4: shame for the way I treated women. So I hated 584 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 4: guys who were fucking weak and manipulative and trying to 585 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 4: prey on women. And I hated them because I felt like, 586 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 4: you sons of bitches are reminding me of me, and 587 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 4: I do not like that you reminding me that I 588 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 4: was like that. Fucking I don't. I mean, if I 589 00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 4: get upset in the world now, it's a that and 590 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: I realize that. I get mad at men who remind 591 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 4: me that I was that because it's so fucking shameful. 592 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 3: Do you ever do you ever get away from the shame? 593 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:39,880 Speaker 3: Does it ever grow away? 594 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 4: I mean, I know it's always a low. It's like 595 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:46,400 Speaker 4: Tonight's It's always there, and sometimes it's really low and 596 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 4: sometimes it's really high. And that's my struggle. So I 597 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 4: feel so fucking low. 598 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 2: Mmm. I feel bad for her. 599 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,000 Speaker 9: You know, obviously I wouldn't do anything to hurt her, right, 600 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 9: She's such a resilient person. 601 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 2: Look at that love. 602 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 4: She has such compassion. It's beautiful. It's not victimless. You 603 00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,520 Speaker 4: gotta hurt people to get that money. I had to 604 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 4: scare of them. And it's such a petty little man, 605 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 4: such a petty little fucking man. 606 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 9: Ah, I mean, I was crying listen. It just broke 607 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 9: my heart to remember that that was the guy who 608 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 9: inflicted that m on her. 609 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 3: Just it's just. 610 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,080 Speaker 2: I think, what's all hard about it? 611 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 4: Too? I know my mother would have loved me through 612 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 4: it all, but a fucking shame. I shamed the memory 613 00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 4: of my mother by doing that to these good women. 614 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 2: You know, I think that I think that that is. 615 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,239 Speaker 9: Uh, that's one of the hard things about it too, 616 00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 9: you know, mm hmmm. 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