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Speaker 1: Season seven, Episode thirteen Weeks go by like days. Air
Speaker 1: date January eighteen, twenty ten. Welcome everyone, Hey everybody, Hello,
Speaker 1: Hello friends, you got the whole crew today.
Speaker 3: Everybody's back. Guys. I feel like our lives lately have
Speaker 3: been planes, trains and automobiles. Yes, everyone is just somewhere flying, driving, campaigning.
Speaker 4: But look at us today. We got Sophia, we got
Speaker 4: Joy I'm back in my hotel room. It's like order
Speaker 4: has been restored in the universe.
Speaker 1: Yes, a moment to breathe, I'm connect I love it well.
Speaker 1: This episode is uh. It's about the Scott family joining
Speaker 1: Haley on the last leg of the tour. It's about
Speaker 1: Brooke and Julian trying to figure their shout, reconnecting after
Speaker 1: a six week break.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 1: Clay and Quinn are also trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to move forward after his public declaration of of love.
Speaker 1: But it was it's not love, it's it's planned love.
Speaker 1: It's intense, an intended love.
Speaker 3: It's predicted love.
Speaker 1: Perhaps yeah, it's predicted love. And the post rehab alex
Speaker 1: not to be confused with Alexander. Somebody thought that was smart,
Speaker 1: tries to make amends with herself and the people she's
Speaker 1: let down. Writer Karen gist Or Kareem gist Or Gotheen, No, Hi, Karen,
Speaker 1: we love you. And director Wow, what'd you think?
Speaker 4: Beautiful intro? Joy?
Speaker 3: I really enjoyed this. Oh, I meant the episode, but
Speaker 3: also yes, the intro both both excellent.
Speaker 1: No, what did you think the intro?
Speaker 4: You were great? Flawless as usual, Joy, well.
Speaker 1: Done, well done.
Speaker 3: It was really fun and it was a very cool thing.
Speaker 3: You know, it's not lost on me that we just
Speaker 3: celebrated the twenty first anniversary of our show and we
Speaker 3: all got to talk about how Wilmington just always feels
Speaker 3: like home. Not to rub it in again, Rob, because
Speaker 3: I know you had major fomo. I know Hillary did. Also.
Speaker 3: I was like I was getting photos during my fomo
Speaker 3: on Saturday from the basketball game and then finally making
Speaker 3: it into town and then you had fomo and then
Speaker 3: Hillary was sending me photos of like the kid's soccer tournament,
Speaker 3: and I was like sending photos of brat pans. I
Speaker 3: was like, what is our life? This is crazy? But
Speaker 3: there was something about watching this episode where your tour
Speaker 3: joy made me feel the same way coming home for
Speaker 3: the conventions. Does you know what I mean? Like seeing
Speaker 3: Haley come home from six weeks on the road, and
Speaker 3: they did a really good job doing the montage and
Speaker 3: giving us the information about how long you guys had
Speaker 3: been gone as a family and the whole thing. And
Speaker 3: then you came home and it was like big crowds,
Speaker 3: big event, and it almost felt like a convention feels now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: And it was so cool.
Speaker 7: It was fun.
Speaker 4: This was a welcome reprieve after last week's episode where
Speaker 4: it just felt like every scene was doing the most
Speaker 4: and it was trying so hard, right, and then this
Speaker 4: episode was like, come join us on this fun musical tour. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we're gonna have a little adventure.
Speaker 1: So you were right. Your instinct was right last week
Speaker 1: that it was the last episode before the break the
Speaker 1: holiday break, and that's why every scene felt like the
Speaker 1: end of the episode. I mean I was really starting
Speaker 1: to get exhausted, but it was. I enjoyed it still.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so this was a fun I like that
Speaker 1: they came back after six weeks after we had actually
Speaker 1: been gone for six weeks off the air. That's kind
Speaker 1: of cool. This was fun for me. This was a
Speaker 1: massive production doing this tour set up. I mean they
Speaker 1: really they really went all out. We were in Wilmington.
Speaker 1: I can't remember where we filmed that.
Speaker 3: We were at the River Court.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh, you're right.
Speaker 4: Courthouse in the background.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, And I remember how cool it was to
Speaker 3: come down there because base Camp was where it always
Speaker 3: was and it was such a familiar location, but because
Speaker 3: they'd built you that enormous stage and then they put
Speaker 3: the Hayley James fans, like the audience, they put them
Speaker 3: on the concrete of the river Court. Yeah, and so
Speaker 3: it was like, oh my god. It just felt so
Speaker 3: cool because it was such a familiar place but it
Speaker 3: looked completely different.
Speaker 1: Wow. How cool must that have been for the fans
Speaker 1: of the show who came in to work as extras,
Speaker 1: to be standing on the river cord and they get
Speaker 1: to play in that way, and we were all there,
Speaker 1: so they probably got to hang with all of us
Speaker 1: at some point. We got to sit in like chit chat,
Speaker 1: and that was one of the things that was really fun,
Speaker 1: Like there was so much there's so much connection with
Speaker 1: the fans at the time because people would calm down
Speaker 1: to Wilmington and they would hang out by the stages
Speaker 1: and we'd run into them at Port City Java. And
Speaker 1: then when we had big outdoor shoots like this, a
Speaker 1: lot of people were just around, so we really got
Speaker 1: to interact with the fans a lot on a personal basis,
Speaker 1: and I remember that from this. But this this was
Speaker 1: a massive, massive production. We shot this for like four
Speaker 1: or five days. I think it was a huge production.
Speaker 3: You you as a performer, had to i mean do
Speaker 3: a full concert like with Pyro. There were technics like
Speaker 3: it's such a big deal, and it's funny because when
Speaker 3: they start, I went, oh my god. I remember this
Speaker 3: because I remember the silhouette of the Clay and Quinn
Speaker 3: kiss and what a big deal that was with that
Speaker 3: wall of like you know, White dropped down Pyro, and
Speaker 3: I remember how insane it was to do on the
Speaker 3: night because there was just fire everywhere.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're just banking that it's not going to rain. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean we shot this in in what annually the
Speaker 1: air January, but we must have shot it in November
Speaker 1: before our break, which is not necessarily a dry season.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's such a huge gamble to take, but
Speaker 1: they figured it out, didn't It didn't rain.
Speaker 4: And before we get into the nuts and bolts of
Speaker 4: all of it, I just got to make a general observation.
Speaker 4: You are a rock star.
Speaker 6: Joy.
Speaker 4: Yes, when you take the stage, you strut out to
Speaker 4: the microphone.
Speaker 5: I had an audible okay, Joy yep, Like I was
Speaker 5: watched Jing a rock star like you had such stage presence.
Speaker 4: I mean you always do, but on this one, like
Speaker 4: you were. You were given the tour vibes, you know,
Speaker 4: and it was so much fun to watch. You killed it,
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you were like feeling it and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I had.
Speaker 1: So much fun. I mean there were a few cringe
Speaker 1: moments for me watching it back, but I think some
Speaker 1: of it's that when they're that up close, the cameras
Speaker 1: that close, and you're being super dramatic. You're being very
Speaker 1: big and dramatic for a huge crowd, but the camera's
Speaker 1: right in your face, so it's like a little over time.
Speaker 3: You're like, no, no, please stay wide for this. You
Speaker 3: I you're far away. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it really was a lot of fun. I
Speaker 1: hadn't hadn't been on stage in a long time, you know,
Speaker 1: I grew up doing theater, but being on a stage
Speaker 1: that size, well, I had gone on the tour for
Speaker 1: One Tree Hill, but it felt more it was my
Speaker 1: set wasn't like that. I wasn't playing rock star. I
Speaker 1: was just like singing, singer, songwriter, guitari stuff. So this
Speaker 1: was fun to step into that character and just be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I guess she's a super famous rock star.
Speaker 3: Now all right, that's a pretty nice time jump perk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, No, it was good. I remember working with
Speaker 1: Carol Cutshawl on the costumes for that, like we worked
Speaker 1: through we went through so many different dresses the age
Speaker 1: of Steampunk, when we were just leaning into the whole
Speaker 1: steampunk vibe that was kind of new at that time.
Speaker 4: I don't normally notice fashion, but I will say I
Speaker 4: had a couple moments in this episode where I was
Speaker 4: acutely aware of the fashion of the time, like Victoria's
Speaker 4: remember how zippers used to be so popular, zippers on everything,
Speaker 4: and Victoria, I think it's wearing like a dress or something,
Speaker 4: but there's zippers on the shoulders.
Speaker 1: Yeah, your shirt, Sophia too, you had this like a zipper.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. Was it like a
Speaker 1: It was almost like an eighteen hundred soldier like Napoleon
Speaker 1: ish kind.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was a knit. It was a killing
Speaker 3: knit with that kind of military front and big metal buttons.
Speaker 3: And then even even Quinn when you guys are on
Speaker 3: your date, like the side of her tank top is
Speaker 3: a giant silver zipper. That's like everything was just metal
Speaker 3: and and yeah, that that steampunk energy of like I'm
Speaker 3: just gonna make a necklace out of a bunch of
Speaker 3: spare nuts and bolts from the Ikea furniture I built
Speaker 3: last week.
Speaker 4: Like what, Yeah, hey, I have an old bike chain.
Speaker 4: I'm not using all attach it to my wallet. Y.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: It was pretty Speaking speaking of extras in that concert, though,
Speaker 4: there was a wonderful moment.
Speaker 3: It's when I know what you're gonna say.
Speaker 4: It's a it's a single on Quinn right before Clay
Speaker 4: walks up Bless his heart. There is a background performer,
Speaker 4: a young guy right behind her who is yep, Sophia's got.
Speaker 3: It crush, the clapping panamime clapping.
Speaker 4: And absolutely no one at video village had his back.
Speaker 4: It is so clear. It's two things. First of all,
Speaker 4: go back and watch his audience. He's so clearly not clapping,
Speaker 4: he's not selling it at all. And then it's as
Speaker 4: if someone said, hey, your crush is over there, don't
Speaker 4: look like he truly looks everywhere except at the camera,
Speaker 4: but he's doing it so aggressively that you're like, is
Speaker 4: he okay?
Speaker 3: And and dead giveaway that there's never actually music playing
Speaker 3: when people are talking in concert scenes. This poor sweet
Speaker 3: boy who wasn't told like, hey, it's pretty close on you.
Speaker 3: You should clap for this one until the actors start talking,
Speaker 3: also was given no like, here's where the beat is que,
Speaker 3: So he's like beat to the Haley James song, trying
Speaker 3: so hard. He's like, don't look, don't look, don't look,
Speaker 3: don't look over there, don't look aware. Nobody had his back,
Speaker 3: and on behalf of our entire cast and crew. I
Speaker 3: would like to say, I'm very sorry, sir.
Speaker 4: He's been listening to this podcast since its inception, waiting
Speaker 4: for this moment, and we're here to validate you. Buddy.
Speaker 4: Wasn't your fault?
Speaker 1: No, not your fault, man, that's on us.
Speaker 4: Sorry, But could you imagine being at a concert and
Speaker 4: looking everywhere except the stage? No, is he working security?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah? He looks like a bad CIA plant.
Speaker 1: Yeah no, I never I missed it. I didn't notice
Speaker 1: it at all.
Speaker 3: I couldn't take my eyes off of it. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: the sort of thing like my little neurospicy I'm like,
Speaker 3: something doesn't fit, the pattern is off, Oh dear God,
Speaker 3: and then I can't stop looking. I literally had to
Speaker 3: like shake my own head and remind myself to pay
Speaker 3: attention to the unbelievably sweet moment that you guys were
Speaker 3: having in your scene, Rob, because I was like, my
Speaker 3: job is to take notes on the show, not to
Speaker 3: focus on this person in his green shirt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm very similar, Like, God forbid, there's a continuity
Speaker 4: issue with someone's drink in their hand, because my brain
Speaker 4: is like, oh, really, we'd half the iced tea go
Speaker 4: in that moment, Like I just I'm like, watch the movie,
Speaker 4: but just watch the movie.
Speaker 3: Just suspend your disbelief. None of it's real.
Speaker 1: Anyway, it was sweet between Clank Whin. Though. I really
Speaker 1: loved what you guys were up to in this episode.
Speaker 1: It was fun to watch you kind of stumbling your
Speaker 1: way through a new version of a relationship. This is
Speaker 1: what was fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yes, stumble is a good word for it, because
Speaker 4: I initially found myself being a little confused. At the
Speaker 4: James residence. There's the awkward moment with Nathan, which I
Speaker 4: get when Clay shows up and he's awkward towards Quinn
Speaker 4: when Nathan's there, But after he closes the door and
Speaker 4: Nathan's not there and they're alone, I found it really
Speaker 4: odd that all he did was give Quinn a sideways hug, because, yes,
Speaker 4: you've been through a lot with this person. You've been
Speaker 4: missing each other and texting and flirting. You said you're
Speaker 4: gonna fall in love with her. You've been making out
Speaker 4: in the ocean, You've been making out. Are you telling
Speaker 4: me the first moment that you get together in private,
Speaker 4: you're not going to You're going to give her the
Speaker 4: this is my first cousin hug.
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Do you remember why you
Speaker 1: made that choice or were you directed to do that.
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of making bad choices that don't
Speaker 4: make sense. Joy, No, I have no idea why that happened, truthfully,
Speaker 4: but as a viewer, I was going, why why are
Speaker 4: we My only guess is that they just wanted to
Speaker 4: build to that last kiss at the end of the episode,
Speaker 4: you know, because they really obviously they made a huge
Speaker 4: meal of that, including the stylistic shot, which was a
Speaker 4: little confusing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, suddenly we were in Titanic.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I get what we're going for, but also
Speaker 4: it's awkward for my again, for that part of my
Speaker 4: brain goes, where's the rest of the audience, where's the stage?
Speaker 4: This geography doesn't make sense, and had you go, it's
Speaker 4: a it's a it's a kiss, it's a special moment.
Speaker 4: Let it go. The audience probably doesn't care. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: I just found it odd that it was like, hey friend,
Speaker 4: hi friend.
Speaker 1: And this is after this is when you guys were alone.
Speaker 1: This is Nathan and I thought we shut the door
Speaker 1: and we were all still in the house.
Speaker 4: No, because I think when I show up, when Clay
Speaker 4: shows up, Nathan and Quinn are there, I'm incredibly awkward
Speaker 4: and Nathan goes, okay, bye and he leaves and we
Speaker 4: shut the door. I don't think Hayley's there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're alone with her.
Speaker 4: It's just the two of us, which is why I
Speaker 4: just felt weird that it's not like, hey, babe, kiss.
Speaker 1: Or turn around and pick her up and like I've
Speaker 1: been waiting so to see you.
Speaker 4: It shows that we're texting, like miss you, thinking of you,
Speaker 4: so we are obviously vibing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe it was. Maybe it was one of those
Speaker 1: where it was like, shoot the rehearsal and you didn't
Speaker 1: know that that was the take they were going to use. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I wonder if maybe, like every other take, you guys
Speaker 1: did something else, and then when they got in the
Speaker 1: editing room, for whatever reason, they were just like, uh,
Speaker 1: we use the first one.
Speaker 4: They're like, every take we have Buckley has peanut butter
Speaker 4: on his face. Why did they one? All right? We
Speaker 4: got to use the rehearsal, classic Buckley problem. I had
Speaker 4: a question. At the opening, We're seeing vignettes of people,
Speaker 4: and all of it was great, except on one I
Speaker 4: bumped on real hard, which was Millie appeared to be
Speaker 4: alone in an abandoned where house watching a video of ballerina?
Speaker 4: What was what's scene from requem for a Dream that
Speaker 4: got left on the editing floor.
Speaker 1: I did a double take at that, saying, like, what
Speaker 1: what scene from Requiem for a Dream?
Speaker 3: By the way for a Dream perhaps taken? I was like,
Speaker 3: has she been kidnapped?
Speaker 4: Like bialy?
Speaker 3: She said drug dealer? Where is she?
Speaker 1: That was and we never addressed it right.
Speaker 4: Never Also like why balance? There's so many ways that
Speaker 4: she could be looking at at women who are very thin.
Speaker 4: It was just so odd that she's just alone in
Speaker 4: darkness watching ballerinas.
Speaker 1: Why wouldn't she be watching models on a runway.
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly her competition, her peers. That was the only thing.
Speaker 4: I was like, wait what It.
Speaker 3: Was very weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it happened so fast though that by the time
Speaker 1: I because I was writing a note, I looked up
Speaker 1: just as that was that moment was happening, and then
Speaker 1: it went away into I think it cut into Quinn maybe,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know what I just saw,
Speaker 1: but I to just keep rolling with this episode because
Speaker 1: I can still explain it later. And then they never
Speaker 1: explained it. They never I'm glad you brought that up,
Speaker 1: because yeah, I would have repaused and rewound.
Speaker 4: It at least, though I will say this, I am
Speaker 4: so happy that we get our Lisa Goldstein back. And
Speaker 4: this episode seems to have tied a bow on this
Speaker 4: after school special. God I hope so I am just
Speaker 4: and everyone's probably tired of from I'm just so bored
Speaker 4: by this storyline. And I'm also frustrated because she's so
Speaker 4: talented and so good and I feel like she's just
Speaker 4: being wasted on it. And I was so immensely grateful
Speaker 4: that jumping forward a bit, the fever seems to break
Speaker 4: in a beautiful scene between and Alex where she is
Speaker 4: so honest and raw and great. She earned the turn
Speaker 4: so well, and you know, cut to the end where
Speaker 4: it's like, I love that Victoria is going to be
Speaker 4: the one to tough love her back to help. Yeah. Perfect,
Speaker 4: But I was just so grateful because it was like, there,
Speaker 4: there's the actress that should be getting this kind of material.
Speaker 4: She's crushing it. Let's use her. It was. I was
Speaker 4: so grateful for that.
Speaker 3: It was really beautiful then. And the nice thing about
Speaker 3: that scene between Lisa and Jana is everything they've been
Speaker 3: forcing Millie to do this kind of intense attitude. This
Speaker 3: like bitchy Alex on steroids or your rugs. You see why,
Speaker 3: Like you see, all the pain gets to come out
Speaker 3: and that immense guilt of I've been horrible and I
Speaker 3: said these horrible things to you and then you did
Speaker 3: the most horrible thing imaginable, like the green and this shame.
Speaker 3: She just played it so beautifully and it made all
Speaker 3: of this stuff feel really really human.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, where as opposed to there's so much stuff
Speaker 4: prior to this, before she said those awful things to Alex,
Speaker 4: it was just sort of like why are we doing this?
Speaker 4: Like the motivation is kind of loose and shaky, whereas
Speaker 4: you're exactly right. And this scene it was so well
Speaker 4: written because that's exactly It's like, I hate myself most
Speaker 4: of all, so I'm just going to continue treating myself terribly,
Speaker 4: you know. And she played it so so so well,
Speaker 4: and it was a wonderfully sweet, kind of rewarding experience
Speaker 4: for Alex, you know, where she's being selfless and she's
Speaker 4: showing up for someone. They have that great line at
Speaker 4: the party, which was so hilarious. That party with was
Speaker 4: like red lights, pretty people. It's obviously a model party,
Speaker 4: but Janice. I think Millie has a line where she's
Speaker 4: like why are you here? Like what are you doing?
Speaker 4: And Alex says, I'm getting you out of here because
Speaker 4: no one showed up for me, or something to that effect.
Speaker 4: It was like, oh, nice redemption, Okay, because again, yeah,
Speaker 4: another awesome actress. Like let's give her cool, meaty stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was really enjoyable. Like, I loved watching the
Speaker 3: two of them in this episode. And I think it's
Speaker 3: because some of what we've been talking about, particularly with
Speaker 3: their characters, is that for a while they've been written
Speaker 3: like stereotypes and in this episode they get back to
Speaker 3: being these really interesting, dynamic humans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, multidimensional women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's because of the women that they are, and
Speaker 3: they get this great material that lets them show it off,
Speaker 3: just like you're saying, Rob, they get to really dig
Speaker 3: their teeth into it. And yeah, I just loved. I
Speaker 3: loved seeing it, and as a viewer, I loved the
Speaker 3: relief of you know, the panic I felt when Julian
Speaker 3: left that hotel room and Alex immediately took out her
Speaker 3: phone yes asked where the party was.
Speaker 1: I was like no, no.
Speaker 3: And then when I realized what was happening.
Speaker 1: I was like hero and.
Speaker 3: I was having such a good time as an audience member.
Speaker 3: And I love that kind of misdirect when it's done well.
Speaker 1: It's just interesting with Alex, Like I, I'm finding it
Speaker 1: a little unbelievable, like I want to I want to
Speaker 1: go with it. But also she showed so many sides
Speaker 1: of her personality when she first showed up, that this
Speaker 1: this instinct for manipulation and the constant flip flopping to
Speaker 1: just get whatever was serving her. I don't know that
Speaker 1: that goes away so quickly. And I appreciate the the
Speaker 1: place that she's living from right now, but I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't I'm like, where, where's all the other?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 1: You're just suddenly a different person. You just don't have
Speaker 1: all those tendencies anymore.
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying, because she's been largely manic
Speaker 4: to this point.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And and they only showed for about a split second
Speaker 4: that she even went to treatment after you know, her
Speaker 4: trying to unlive herself. So yeah, I hear what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I will say one thing that was cool was how
Speaker 4: about for a rare change of pace? Uh, A woman
Speaker 4: saved a woman or well done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all three of.
Speaker 4: Them and again perfect the perfect person to do it.
Speaker 4: That all of that was just that made so much sense.
Speaker 4: It folds in perfectly with this Bittoria is getting soft,
Speaker 4: you know, which I love to see. And yeah, I
Speaker 4: just thought it all worked so so well.
Speaker 1: It's the tree hell magic. That effect, like the small
Speaker 1: community people wanting to take care of each other is
Speaker 1: starting to rub off. It's rubbing off on Alex, it's
Speaker 1: starting to rub off on Victoria. You can't help it.
Speaker 1: You just it's in the water there. People start to
Speaker 1: really care about those in their community and they invest.
Speaker 1: I feel like that's something we've seen consistently happen on
Speaker 1: the show for the characters.
Speaker 3: And I think when you have characters like the ones
Speaker 3: in this show, I've certainly experienced this. I just had
Speaker 3: dinner with Kenny last night and we were talking about this.
Speaker 3: You know, in the almost twenty years we've all been friends. Like,
Speaker 3: when people get to be part of a friend group
Speaker 3: that really shows up for each other, especially if they're
Speaker 3: newer to it, they do the same. You go, oh,
Speaker 3: that's possible, and so what a cool thing that when
Speaker 3: you think about the length of these friendships like for
Speaker 3: Brooke and Haley and Peyton and Nathan and Lucas and
Speaker 3: you know, yes, they're gone, but even the fact that
Speaker 3: you know Quinn would have even though we didn't get
Speaker 3: to see it grown up in the same house as
Speaker 3: you like, Yeah, these are people who show up. And
Speaker 3: you're right, everybody who winds up spending time with him
Speaker 3: becomes the kind of person who shows up.
Speaker 1: Even Dan shows up uninvited. He shows up everywhere, he
Speaker 1: sure does, except in this episode.
Speaker 3: But it's like, it's this amazing mark of community and
Speaker 3: particularly I think longevity.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And one of the things I will say I really
Speaker 3: love too is that Victoria is softening. You know, she
Speaker 3: can be flipping about it and say, oh, I know
Speaker 3: it's tragic, but the way she softens is to become
Speaker 3: more gentle. But she's still just as sharp and I
Speaker 3: loved that we got to see that in her conversation
Speaker 3: with Julian, because he's like, don't bring this other guy around, like,
Speaker 3: you know, don't mess this up for me in Brooke
Speaker 3: Da Da Da Da, and she's just like, oh, honey,
Speaker 3: she might have problems. She might not let you in
Speaker 3: as fast as you think she should. But I see
Speaker 3: that you like that Alex likes you.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And what I loved I loved that she called him
Speaker 3: out on it and still said I adore you and
Speaker 3: I think you're good for my daughter, because it allowed
Speaker 3: me to see that Victoria could vocalize what Brooke then couldn't,
Speaker 3: Like when me and Julian get in the fight at
Speaker 3: the concert and it's like, I didn't want to fight,
Speaker 3: I just wanted Brooke doesn't have the wherewithal to get
Speaker 3: past I saw it. I saw it. I'm not making
Speaker 3: it up. And he's like, you're not listening to me.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, I choose you. But we know that
Speaker 3: what she can't get over is true. She sees that
Speaker 3: he likes that attention and he might say, but I'm
Speaker 3: not gonna go there, and it's like, but but you
Speaker 3: still want the attention, and so there is actually a problem. Yes,
Speaker 3: Brook's heart is broken and she has trauma and it's
Speaker 3: gonna take her a while longer to open up. Je shocker.
Speaker 3: That feels familiar.
Speaker 1: Also, she's not wrong, she's not crazy. Julia's living in fantasyland.
Speaker 3: But I loved that the they both had their convictions
Speaker 3: and interestingly, enough. The person who showed me like, well,
Speaker 3: you're both kind of right and you're both kind of
Speaker 3: wrong was Victoria. I was like, this is sick. This
Speaker 3: is great writing, so great.
Speaker 4: Which was validating as a viewer because I found myself
Speaker 4: like this episode, every scene with Alex and Julian going,
Speaker 4: she's so clearly still in love with this guy. Every
Speaker 4: scene she is making heart eyes at him, and again, guy,
Speaker 4: you got to take some accountability, Like you got to
Speaker 4: see that and go, hey, I think I'm picking up
Speaker 4: on the fact that, like you're still hoping this is available.
Speaker 4: It's again he has he has no idea what a
Speaker 4: healthy boundary is. So when Victoria said, I was like, yes, yes,
Speaker 4: because every scene and then it's like he's also doing
Speaker 4: things which again like that we find out that he
Speaker 4: and his dad are the ones that put up the
Speaker 4: money for the film, and he's like, because I believe
Speaker 4: in you. You if someone has feelings for you, you
Speaker 4: have to be very careful with the way you deliver
Speaker 4: that in for because they are going to be looking
Speaker 4: for evidence that what they're feeling is real, you know.
Speaker 4: And I just feel like he's like Julie, like Troya said,
Speaker 4: he I think he enjoys it to an extent.
Speaker 1: At least he's being honest about it. Now it seems
Speaker 1: like he's embracing the fact. He's like, I want to
Speaker 1: save her. I'm going to do all these things in
Speaker 1: order to try and save her. I mean, it's better
Speaker 1: to make a mistake and at least be honest about
Speaker 1: the way you're going about it and be like, this
Speaker 1: is what I think is the right thing to do,
Speaker 1: and I'm going to do it. And we're all watching cringing,
Speaker 1: But at least you're not trying to convince yourself. At
Speaker 1: least he's not trying to convince himself that he's doing
Speaker 1: something else. So I appreciate that, and I think that's
Speaker 1: the healthiest way to go about any decision that we're
Speaker 1: making in life. There was a lot I mean to
Speaker 1: have this note like he's in fantasy world about all
Speaker 1: of this, But that last conversation they had was compelling,
Speaker 1: Like some of the stuff that he was saying, I
Speaker 1: guess because he is being honest about where he's at.
Speaker 1: Then you have to think about in the context of
Speaker 1: a relationship. Sometimes you just watch your partner make a
Speaker 1: mistake and like if the mistake is something that's going
Speaker 1: to push on your boundaries to a point that's a
Speaker 1: deal breaker, then that's a deal breaker. But if it's not,
Speaker 1: then maybe you can hold space for that. It just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like either of them can hold space for
Speaker 1: the other person's stuff right now.
Speaker 3: Well, and what I think is really interesting too, is
Speaker 3: particularly what it made me think a lot about is that,
Speaker 3: particularly as women, we get told like, well, you have
Speaker 3: to forgive people, You have to make space for people.
Speaker 3: That's part of your job. And what I appreciate about
Speaker 3: at least this as you're saying, it's like a thing
Speaker 3: everybody goes through. Can I make space for your? Will
Speaker 3: you make space for mine? But what I love that
Speaker 3: the writers gave the storyline between Brooke and Julian in
Speaker 3: this episode is that it's not just you like attention
Speaker 3: from another person. It's not just something we've heard before.
Speaker 3: Brooke gets to look at this guy and go, how
Speaker 3: am I supposed to compete with? It's the love you
Speaker 3: carrie for your dead mother? Uh huh, Like you are
Speaker 3: putting this girl in that empty cutout of a human
Speaker 3: who you miss every day?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like, how am I supposed to compete? With that,
Speaker 1: and Brooks biggest trigger is being chosen choose me, like yes,
Speaker 1: once someone choose me.
Speaker 3: Yes, don't use me and then and then move on.
Speaker 3: And it's this wild thing because I get where he's
Speaker 3: coming from, where he's saying, you know, I'm choosing you,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to maintain this other relationship and you
Speaker 3: need to.
Speaker 6: Figure that out.
Speaker 3: And I absolutely get why she's looking back at him
Speaker 3: and going, you're telling me you're going to maintain a
Speaker 3: relationship that is a replacement for your dead parent, and
Speaker 3: you think I'm going to feel safe competing with that
Speaker 3: for your attention.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is wild and it is yeah, and.
Speaker 3: It's a I love that it's a juicy storyline that's
Speaker 3: real and that it isn't it's not the obvious, and
Speaker 3: because it's not the obvious, it feels refreshing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there are. This is one of those
Speaker 1: things that I think about when I'm in relationships too,
Speaker 1: and I bump up against a partner's stuff and it's you.
Speaker 1: There are times when I think there are I have
Speaker 1: to be objective about this, even though I feel emotional.
Speaker 1: There are other women in the world who would be
Speaker 1: okay with this. I'm just not because of my own A,
Speaker 1: B and C. But does that mean that I should
Speaker 1: be working on my A, B and C? Or is
Speaker 1: this just a bad fit because it's not necessarily that
Speaker 1: I'm wrong or you're wrong, It's just there's a there's
Speaker 1: a woman out there who probably would be fine with Julian.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she'd be annoyed. But it's like, Okay, honey,
Speaker 1: you go on your journey like this is this is irritating,
Speaker 1: but I'll see you when you on the other side.
Speaker 1: I'm still here. I'm going to walk through it with you,
Speaker 1: but not brooke it. She can't. Yeah, it's not right
Speaker 1: for her.
Speaker 3: But I think that's what's interesting, And what you're referencing
Speaker 3: is what I was sort of beginning to talk about earlier.
Speaker 3: It's that we get encouraged to just accept and it's like,
Speaker 3: so is the acceptance that I have to work on
Speaker 3: the A, B and C? Or is the acceptance me
Speaker 3: violating boundaries that make me feel respected, healthy and safe?
Speaker 1: But could it be couldn't it be that you just
Speaker 1: that's part of sacrificial love, that you're like, I love
Speaker 1: you and that's partnership and I'm here for you, and
Speaker 1: I don't agree with this choice you're making. It hurts me,
Speaker 1: but I'm in this with you, and I realize you're
Speaker 1: going to realize it one day and we'll I'll walk
Speaker 1: through it with you.
Speaker 3: But I think that's the case by case basis, right
Speaker 3: for sure. Yeah, And I think it's interesting that we're
Speaker 3: talking about the lessons we've learned in relationships because I
Speaker 3: can certainly look back and go, oh, I know where
Speaker 3: I was encouraged to make more space or sacrifice a
Speaker 3: bit or whatever, and then when I've gotten to the
Speaker 3: other side of it and shared with some people like, well,
Speaker 3: this is what I was trying to work through, people
Speaker 3: are like, are you freaking nuts? Why that's crazy? You know,
Speaker 3: how could you like someone treated you that way or
Speaker 3: did this or tried to normalize that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when your threshold for pain is so high, you know,
Speaker 1: it's hard to tell the difference.
Speaker 3: When you have a very high threshold for suffering. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't always realize how mistreated your being in the moment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was one thing I realized in therapy. It
Speaker 4: was like I got really good at making a meal
Speaker 4: out of a crumb. And if you've done that for
Speaker 4: long enough, then crumbs start to look like meals. Yes,
Speaker 4: so it's like, but I they're good people. Remember they
Speaker 4: sent me a Hallmark card on my birthday, And it's
Speaker 4: like that's it, that's the whole meal, you know. Like,
Speaker 4: but I love this that scene at the at the
Speaker 4: concert between Brooke and Julian because I just found it
Speaker 4: so relatable. There were so many times, you know, because
Speaker 4: Jane and I have we've done we did couples therapy,
Speaker 4: we've done we've done couples therapy a lot, and so
Speaker 4: many times we'd be bringing something to them and our
Speaker 4: therapists would say, hey, you guys are getting lost in
Speaker 4: the content. You're not actually you're not actually talking about
Speaker 4: what's really going on. And it was perfect because you know,
Speaker 4: when Brooke is like, I saw you holding her hand,
Speaker 4: this was a perfect example because it's like completely fair
Speaker 4: he did that. If someone is alone in a hospital
Speaker 4: room after trying to end their life, it is just
Speaker 4: a compassionate human being thing to do to hold their handy.
Speaker 4: But it's like, it's not it's not really about that moment.
Speaker 4: It's about this much deeper, bigger, underlying issue. But that happens,
Speaker 4: right because it's like I'm activated, you're activated. We were
Speaker 4: both sort of like afraid and defensive and combative, you know,
Speaker 4: and so you start you stop talking about the root cause,
Speaker 4: and you start just like, but then you did this thing.
Speaker 4: Well then you did this thing, you know, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 4: we're not having the same conversation anymore.
Speaker 3: And that's what it is, is they're in the minutia.
Speaker 3: And that's why I think the Victoria choices from the
Speaker 3: writers were so good, because Victoria is like, oh, you're
Speaker 3: in the minutia and here's the issue. This is her issue,
Speaker 3: and this is your issue, sir, figure it out. And
Speaker 3: I just thought, oh, that's so great to be able
Speaker 3: to see both of these people and yeah, and both
Speaker 3: of their you know, their wounds, their flaws, and go,
Speaker 3: of course you're having a nightmare situation right now. You're
Speaker 3: literally you're you're like sticking a thumb in each other's bruises.
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is why therapy is so great, to be
Speaker 4: able to take it to someone and an objective third
Speaker 4: party who can go huh okay, because you know, like
Speaker 4: we all have our own stories that we hang on
Speaker 4: our experiences and what other people's behavior meant and how
Speaker 4: it felt. And it's so nice to be able to
Speaker 4: go to someone and have them go okay, it actually
Speaker 4: seems like this is a pattern of yours. It seems,
Speaker 4: you know, like it's it's so helpful, at least for myself.
Speaker 4: It's been so helpful to have a an experienced, professional
Speaker 4: set of eyes to look at my stuff and help
Speaker 4: me untangle the mess, because if I try to do
Speaker 4: it on myself, it's like, oh, we're not going to
Speaker 4: get anywhere. I have so much baggage. I'm caring how much?
Speaker 1: How how can I see through it?
Speaker 4: I can't through it well.
Speaker 3: And particularly from inside. You know, the book of your
Speaker 3: own life, you can. You can find proof for any
Speaker 3: story you're trying to tell yourself.
Speaker 1: A man, sister, you know you can.
Speaker 3: Really You're like, well, this is obviously why I'm a
Speaker 3: failure at this, or this is why this person just
Speaker 3: can't be kind, or this is why. And it's like
Speaker 3: sometimes you need somebody to go. I don't know if
Speaker 3: that's the whole the whole thing. Try to look at
Speaker 3: it this way and it and it just it gives
Speaker 3: you permission to see differently, and everybody needs.
Speaker 4: That and It's also so helpful to have someone go, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's not normal. That sounds really painful, that that's not
Speaker 4: actually how that should go. That's not a loving dynamic,
Speaker 4: you know, And all of a sudden you're like, oh
Speaker 4: my gosh, so I'm not crazy. I'm allowed to feel
Speaker 4: this way because I know, at least for myself, I oftentimes,
Speaker 4: especially early on, like I needed someone else to give
Speaker 4: me permission to have the feeling I was having. Like
Speaker 4: I would be feeling like someone was not being kind
Speaker 4: or loving to me, but I would talk myself out
Speaker 4: of it. Maybe they're having a bet, maybe they may.
Speaker 1: That you want to get people the benefit of the
Speaker 1: dob yes.
Speaker 4: And I would do that to a fault kind of
Speaker 4: like Julian. And it was so nice to have someone go, hey,
Speaker 4: just so you know, that's that's not a reciprocal loving relationship. Yeah,
Speaker 4: just because someone's saying this, if these are their actions
Speaker 4: behind it, those words don't match those actions.
Speaker 3: And that is exactly the thing I think that can
Speaker 3: like save you in a way, Like from what we
Speaker 3: were discussing a little earlier, Joy, like I needed someone
Speaker 3: to have that conversation with me and say, no, these
Speaker 3: are not sacrifices you or anyone else should be making. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these these things are dangerous. You are absolutely allowed to
Speaker 3: say this is a violation and it's a deal breaker
Speaker 3: for me. You don't have to deny your deal breakers
Speaker 3: to be good or to be nice. And it's really
Speaker 3: revelatory when somebody helps you readjust your threshold.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have to set yourself on fire to
Speaker 4: keep others warm.
Speaker 3: One of my favorite phrases.
Speaker 1: Honey, I love that one.
Speaker 3: And you know what's really interesting. I mean, we're obviously
Speaker 3: coming at this from our grown self perspectives, but it's
Speaker 3: not lost on me that, you know, healthy emotional communication
Speaker 3: is something that our generation of parents is talking about
Speaker 3: in ways that you know, our parents just didn't have
Speaker 3: the tools for. And I saw Nathan differently in this episode,
Speaker 3: in particular with Jamie because of exactly what we're talking about.
Speaker 3: I literally wrote down when he started to say, did
Speaker 3: you ask your friends how they's? Some was yeah, And
Speaker 3: he started giving this little boy tools, and I wrote
Speaker 3: down I go, oh, my god, what a signifier that
Speaker 3: Jamie Scott will grow up to be an emotionally communicative
Speaker 3: man because he's learning it from this generation of parenting.
Speaker 1: Yep, and Nathan stepping in and setting up the behind
Speaker 1: the scenes tour, just giving Jamie that little extra help
Speaker 1: that he needed. Yeah, it was really healthy, so good.
Speaker 3: It was so sweet, and it's like Nathan has been
Speaker 3: through what the three of us are talking about. He's
Speaker 3: had to learn to be his best self and learn
Speaker 3: communication and learn all these things that you know clearly
Speaker 3: you watch Nathan Scott episode one, season one, he didn't
Speaker 3: have and we see it in practice with his kid,
Speaker 3: and I was like, Oh, this is a dynamic I
Speaker 3: definitely didn't get when we were shooting this series, but
Speaker 3: I get it now and it's so cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And what's great is that because I think like
Speaker 4: no one's ever going to get parenting right, like you're
Speaker 4: the best you can do is to just to just
Speaker 4: show up and try your best, and when you make mistakes,
Speaker 4: you learn from it. And it's I kind of see
Speaker 4: that when the camping trip he has that moment with
Speaker 4: Julian where Julian saw something in his son that he
Speaker 4: didn't see, and it's almost kind of like a small
Speaker 4: ocean moment of like, oh, I'm not paying as close
Speaker 4: attention to this as I could be and then two
Speaker 4: episodes later we see this where he's really in tune
Speaker 4: with his son and he gives him some great feedback
Speaker 4: did you ask them? And then he sees what's going
Speaker 4: on and he shows up. He brings these backstayed passes
Speaker 4: to set Jamie to look up like a hero. So
Speaker 4: it was a real nice like look at you go.
Speaker 4: You saw you were slacking a bit, and you stepped up.
Speaker 1: I loved seeing them all the montage of the tour
Speaker 1: bus and watching them together on the tour, the fact
Speaker 1: that he goes with them, it's it's just I think
Speaker 1: it's really what what everybody needed. And watching watching Nathan's
Speaker 1: just totally dive in one hundred percent on being the
Speaker 1: sort of stay at home dad on this tour bus
Speaker 1: and taking care of Jamie and investing in him while
Speaker 1: his wife goes off and does her rockstar thing. It
Speaker 1: was just such a great There was no threat to anybody,
Speaker 1: There was no weird hierarchy or struggles within the marriage
Speaker 1: about that. It was just love and support and it
Speaker 1: was inspirational to me. I loved it.
Speaker 4: And Jamie saying road Dogs, I mean that was so
Speaker 4: damn funny to me.
Speaker 6: So good, so good.
Speaker 4: Speaking of funny, I thought it was pretty funny when
Speaker 4: Millie was at the court for her DUI and the
Speaker 4: judge who has only one case in tree Hill, apparently
Speaker 4: Arty was privy to the fact that she had recently
Speaker 4: lost her job. Ye, this judge has a lot of
Speaker 4: free time if she's if she's that hip to the
Speaker 4: four one one on Millie's employees.
Speaker 1: Don't you have to fill out paperwork?
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Would Milly have had to disclose that or didn't it
Speaker 1: Victoria fired her like the day before, so maybe she Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was it was intense.
Speaker 4: I'm saying it was just it was so recent that
Speaker 4: I thought this was a small town.
Speaker 1: I love the way that woman can committed to her material.
Speaker 6: Though.
Speaker 1: She was like, I am going to teach you a
Speaker 1: lesson right now, and I am in charge, and you
Speaker 1: are going down a dangerous path. I was like, yes, ma'am,
Speaker 1: I am listening.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm seated. She gave big principal energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yeah. Where was she? I need her at
Speaker 1: the principles the school? Yes?
Speaker 7: Please?
Speaker 1: Can we talk about Alexander? Yeah, the random random man
Speaker 1: who showed up at the end of the anti climactically
Speaker 1: showed up at the end of the last episode, and
Speaker 1: now suddenly I wanted more time getting to know you too,
Speaker 1: together just in the in a work context or front.
Speaker 1: It just felt like suddenly we were thrust in the
Speaker 1: middle of Yeah, you know when you just turn on
Speaker 1: a movie and it's halfway through and you're just trying
Speaker 1: to catch up with the relationship. That's what I felt like,
Speaker 1: from the moment that we've met him. Now, it's like,
Speaker 1: I'm just supposed to believe that you guys are working
Speaker 1: together all the time. Everything's great. It was hard for me, well,
Speaker 1: but I like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's one of those things that I think when
Speaker 3: you do the it's been six weeks with a brand
Speaker 3: new character, you really do them a disservice because I
Speaker 3: can buy thanks to the montage, the six weeks of Hailey,
Speaker 3: Nathan and Jamie on tour, where.
Speaker 1: Was the Brooke and Alexander montage exactly?
Speaker 3: There were little It's like there just wasn't enough. And
Speaker 3: what I will say is I think watching it back,
Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, the energy between us really is
Speaker 3: so sweet. He's not flirting, it's not like very professional
Speaker 3: trying to get in there seeing if she's it's none
Speaker 3: of that. The conversations that close over bros when they're
Speaker 3: working feel really nice and grounded. I can buy that
Speaker 3: these two are building a friendship. But yeah, I wish
Speaker 3: I'd gotten to see something that would have shown it
Speaker 3: to me more than I was told to believe it.
Speaker 4: Yes, like if there had been two quick shots of
Speaker 4: like you guys laid at night with Chinese takeout on
Speaker 4: the table, talking and drawing, and then like something else,
Speaker 4: because I thought the same thing the first scene we
Speaker 4: see with you two, when you're introducing some stuff with
Speaker 4: Julian and it ends with him saying, no one should
Speaker 4: treat Brooke Davis like that. Oh that yeah, And I
Speaker 4: just thought, you, that's such an awkward thing to say,
Speaker 4: because we don't know you.
Speaker 1: You haven't earned that with us as an audience.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you have it. It was unearned. That's exactly right
Speaker 4: where I felt like it was one of those ones
Speaker 4: going okay, here's the potential love threat, and look how sweety.
Speaker 4: It just felt very heavy handed because it was so quick.
Speaker 1: I was so confused because when Brooke is in reducing
Speaker 1: him to that boardroom of people, it seemed like she
Speaker 1: was not too happy about it. It seemed like you
Speaker 1: were not upset, but there was just this kind of
Speaker 1: like malaise. I think that I was confused as to
Speaker 1: what the relationship is like. Is she happy that they're
Speaker 1: working together? Is she wishing that she was doing this
Speaker 1: on her own and Victoria sort of thrust him into this,
Speaker 1: and she's just doing it because she's got too many
Speaker 1: other things to worry about. I just didn't get to see,
Speaker 1: and they didn't give you a chance. There was no
Speaker 1: I mean, what are you supposed to do? You're just
Speaker 1: saying these lines and passing it off. But if we
Speaker 1: had gotten the montage, if we'd gotten the eating Chinese food,
Speaker 1: if we'd been able to see a camaraderie building, I
Speaker 1: would have felt more clear about it.
Speaker 3: Well, and especially because that's the top of the episode,
Speaker 3: and when Victoria hires this man, Brooke is like, what are.
Speaker 1: You doing exactly? So the next thing I see is yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: so Brook doesn't like it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like okay, well he's here. But if they'd
Speaker 3: given us the opportunity to more clearly show that we'd
Speaker 3: build a friendship, then that scene wouldn't have had to
Speaker 3: be so so professional. That it feels neutral.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to say. It felt like
Speaker 1: you were just trying to show this is a very
Speaker 1: professional relationship and Brooke is still heartbroken about Julian, and
Speaker 1: I feel like you were playing a lot of complex
Speaker 1: layers that in context would have made a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: but on their own, I was just like, well, well,
Speaker 1: what is going on? Who is he? Who is this guy?
Speaker 4: Yeah, like a shot of him bringing in your coffee
Speaker 4: and he got your order exact like you looking at
Speaker 4: the cup and going, oh my god, he got my
Speaker 4: order right, you know, and then like you eating Chinese
Speaker 4: food late, you know what I mean. You could have
Speaker 4: set it up so much, yeah, just more effectively. Because
Speaker 4: it did. It just felt like whoa like breakneck speed
Speaker 4: of how quickly or.
Speaker 1: Even if you weren't really that close friends and they
Speaker 1: wanted to build it so that now we get to
Speaker 1: see him starting that. You could have done plenty of
Speaker 1: things of coming in and out of doors and waving
Speaker 1: and not having a lot of interaction and just passing
Speaker 1: PaperWorks and keeping it very professional. I just it wouldn't
Speaker 1: have taken that long. I wish we could have done that,
Speaker 1: But I'll imagine it in my mind.
Speaker 3: And the way they I mean, there could have been
Speaker 3: such an easy way to do it too, Like when
Speaker 3: Haley and the family are on tour, if she'd like,
Speaker 3: you know, turned on her cell phone and then it
Speaker 3: cut to me on my phone and then we hang up,
Speaker 3: and I turned to Alex and that, like, there would
Speaker 3: have been ways to show like while you guys were gone,
Speaker 3: the rest of us were homeworking and yep, all of
Speaker 3: these things, but we didn't. We didn't take like the
Speaker 3: extra half a day to do the things that would
Speaker 3: have gone so much harder.
Speaker 1: I wonder if it was in the script, but because
Speaker 1: the concert stuff was so massive, I wonder if they
Speaker 1: just cut a bunch of stuff down.
Speaker 4: Let's say that, let's give them that they totally wrote
Speaker 4: all of these scenes in but they just got cut
Speaker 4: for time.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Going back to the Victoria thing, one thing I really liked,
Speaker 4: because they are showing the softer side of Victoria, is
Speaker 4: that they still made maintained vintage Victoria and with the
Speaker 4: Calliope riffs Calliope my gosh, where.
Speaker 5: She calls her catastrophe, Calliope bless you, Yeah, Calliope bless you,
Speaker 5: and then later she calls her catastrophe catastrophe. It was
Speaker 5: so nice to see the softer side of her but
Speaker 5: still completely maintaining her bitchy edge.
Speaker 4: That is so funny. Also, Joy, did you notice at
Speaker 4: the at the top of the episode, there's the scene
Speaker 4: in the kitchen between Haley and Quinn and you hander
Speaker 4: the envelope containing the divorce paper, and the envelope is
Speaker 4: clearly opened, and you are smiling when you hand it
Speaker 4: to her, And then later you go in the room
Speaker 4: because I thought, is that just a mistake the thing
Speaker 4: to see you? But then you go into the bedroom
Speaker 4: and you know, you go, how about that paper? Which
Speaker 4: made me go, why the hell is she smiling when
Speaker 4: she hands her sister the surprise divorce paper?
Speaker 1: Oh, oh my gosh, I don't know. That must have
Speaker 1: been just a bad choice on my on my part,
Speaker 1: not Payton not knowing what I was doing.
Speaker 3: By the way, the envelope had clearly never been closed.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like an envelope that had been ripped open. True,
Speaker 3: it was a pristine envelope that you hand her out
Speaker 3: of the stack of junk mail. And then why also
Speaker 3: was it stamped with like the final notice stamp that
Speaker 3: people get on bills, except it said divorce final. I
Speaker 3: was like, who did this? Oh no, what is this?
Speaker 1: The whole thing was so oh yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: dumping out mail and then I just turned around and
Speaker 1: hand it to her. But I wouldn't have had time
Speaker 1: to read it because I just handed it to her
Speaker 1: from the mail.
Speaker 4: But which is right. That's why I told myself during
Speaker 4: the scene was she's just unaware of what it is
Speaker 4: and maybe it just came open on its own. The
Speaker 4: problem is when you go to the bedroom to consult
Speaker 4: when you are already aware of what it was or
Speaker 4: what it is.
Speaker 1: Maybe I thought it was happy, like you've been waiting
Speaker 1: for this moment. Now that's weird. I don't know why.
Speaker 4: She's obviously filed and maybe you saw it was from
Speaker 4: a courthouse or something, you know, who knows.
Speaker 1: We shot the rehearse that's it. I was not paying attention.
Speaker 1: We shot the rehearsal and that's what they used.
Speaker 6: Well.
Speaker 1: And by the way, maybe no, maybe you're doing the thing.
Speaker 3: And because of the giant red divorce final stamp, when
Speaker 3: she opens the letter and reads to the bottom of it,
Speaker 3: you see it and go oh, but you see it
Speaker 3: off camera because it cuts from her reading it to
Speaker 3: the insert. Her she opens it, it goes to the insert,
Speaker 3: and then it goes to her face, and then the
Speaker 3: scene is over. So we never see you react to it.
Speaker 3: So in your defense, you may have reacted to it,
Speaker 3: is what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I also could have just not been
Speaker 1: paying attention and funded in that day.
Speaker 4: No, I think you reacted to it perfectly, but we
Speaker 4: had to cut it for time, just like the montage
Speaker 4: scenes with that. Another thing that didn't quite make sense
Speaker 4: to me was, or at least I laughed at. I
Speaker 4: think people maybe who don't work in the industry maybe
Speaker 4: didn't bump on this, but that Julian and Alex's film
Speaker 4: is already uh about to go into production. Uh huh.
Speaker 4: They just got financing, and yet they have already locked
Speaker 4: up their cast, their locations, their crew. It's a go.
Speaker 4: Just for our listeners, it doesn't happen that fast unless
Speaker 4: you're shooting a short film in your home with your
Speaker 4: own friends, with your own equipment. It doesn't happen that fast.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, no.
Speaker 3: And by the way, the things that can happen in between,
Speaker 3: like one thing goes wrong and the movie that you
Speaker 3: know you're supposed to start mid August is now going
Speaker 3: to be in January. Literally my life this summer. It's
Speaker 3: like you lose one location and it bumps all the
Speaker 3: things and everything changes, which is what happens in the world.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, in six weeks, he convinced his dad
Speaker 3: to put up their own money and they have a
Speaker 3: fully available crew, equipment, locations, trailers like actors.
Speaker 4: What good luck ensuring the high profile actress who just
Speaker 4: went to rehab and just I had an attempt at
Speaker 4: taking her hand. Good luck getting that insurance, guys, No
Speaker 4: good luck for a low budget film.
Speaker 1: Good luck Speaking of behind the scenes and how things
Speaker 1: get made, we have a listener question from Sarah. She's asking,
Speaker 1: we were just in Wilmington for the FWB Friends of
Speaker 1: Benefits weekend. Hi, thanks for joining us, and they did
Speaker 1: the location tour. As she said, thanks for the lunch suggestion.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which. Oh that's Power seven for sure.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, that was.
Speaker 3: I'm glad you guys loved it.
Speaker 1: We were wondering how does location scouting work? How and
Speaker 1: why did they pick the houses that they did. Anybody
Speaker 1: else do you want to jump in.
Speaker 3: I mean there is an entire department that handles locations.
Speaker 1: It is called the Locations Department.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge job.
Speaker 4: Not an easy job either.
Speaker 3: No, Like think about realtors in a city that have
Speaker 3: to deal with houses that are for sale and houses
Speaker 3: that are for rent, apartments that are for rent and furnishing.
Speaker 3: It's very similar. And they have to essentially houses in
Speaker 3: the area that are available for locations and other venues
Speaker 3: you know, coffee shops, businesses, all the things, and then
Speaker 3: each of those goes into like a thematic file, and
Speaker 3: then depending on what an episode needs, they get a
Speaker 3: list of locations and then they compare it to the
Speaker 3: locations they know are available. And then they also go
Speaker 3: out proactively and they'll you know, if we're looking for,
Speaker 3: say an all brick house on a corner like Peyton
Speaker 3: Sawyer's house, they will drive around town and put letters
Speaker 3: about if you're open to renting, please contact us in
Speaker 3: people's mailboxes. It is a huge job.
Speaker 1: We want to film on your lawn. Can we see
Speaker 1: the inside of your house? I like the inside of
Speaker 1: your house? Can we film in here?
Speaker 3: But can we paint this dining room?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think we got to renovate sometimes. Also, a house
Speaker 1: may look really great from the outside and be perfect,
Speaker 1: but you know, you also need some interiors that go
Speaker 1: from outside to the inside. Can we shoot it inside
Speaker 1: your house? You walk in and the hallways are too
Speaker 1: small to get the cameras into, and so that throws
Speaker 1: ou out the window. Then you got to figure out
Speaker 1: if you can shoot the interior, if you can build
Speaker 1: the interior, or find a different house to shoot the
Speaker 1: interior in that's close enough to the exterior so that
Speaker 1: we're not driving all over town. It's a I mean,
Speaker 1: those are like detectives with the red string. Like everything
Speaker 1: has to coordinate perfectly.
Speaker 3: And you have to find things that are going to
Speaker 3: be visually appealing on camera. You know, at the end
Speaker 3: of the day, we're making television. It's a bit of
Speaker 3: a fantasy. So of course Brook has this beautiful house
Speaker 3: on the water with a marina outside, and of course
Speaker 3: Clay's house is right on the beach, and these are
Speaker 3: you know, these really important locations that make a place
Speaker 3: look exceptionally beautiful, and they also all come with their
Speaker 3: own sort of sets of difficulty. It's why after the
Speaker 3: beginning of season seven, you don't see us out on
Speaker 3: Brooks Patio very much like it just was too heart
Speaker 3: to go down to Carolina Beach all the time, and
Speaker 3: that's where that house was.
Speaker 1: Great question, Good.
Speaker 4: Question, Sarah. Before we wrap things up, I got two
Speaker 4: things we need to touch on. Loved seeing mouth back
Speaker 4: from California. Yeah, was so lovely. Was I've been waiting
Speaker 4: for that? So I was like, yeah, all right, guys.
Speaker 4: And the other thing was and I need I need
Speaker 4: a little refresher on Taylor and her backstory.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Lindsay McKeon shows back up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so Taylor is Haley and Quinn's other sister who
Speaker 3: took Nathan's.
Speaker 4: Virginity, gathered that much, okay, and now.
Speaker 3: She's dating Quinn's ex husband.
Speaker 1: Oh god, I've blocked.
Speaker 3: I was like, Taylor here, I I blocked it out too.
Speaker 3: I genuinely had no idea. I was like, oh, Lindsay's back.
Speaker 1: I wonder why I used to feel a little bad
Speaker 1: for David, just because it's like it's heartbreaking when people
Speaker 1: can't figure it out, you know, like he's got his
Speaker 1: way of doing things, Quinn has her way just wasn't
Speaker 1: the right match. But that guy now over it.
Speaker 3: Noah's sister by.
Speaker 4: No, he tipped his petty hand with the whole I'm
Speaker 4: gonna drive home, get the rest of your clothes and
Speaker 4: throw them all over this random dude's long. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: so we already got a glimpse that he had that.
Speaker 1: You could give him a little, a little new way
Speaker 1: for just being really hurt and petty. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: everybody does stupid shit when they're really hurt.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we can give you the emotional mulligan on that
Speaker 4: one you were seeing red, you were heartbroken, fair enough,
Speaker 4: but then when he does this, you go, oh, no,
Speaker 4: it's a pattern. This is who you are, because that
Speaker 4: is wildly intentional.
Speaker 1: The sister, the sister. It's insane, it really is. And
Speaker 1: it's not just like a one moment blow up. This
Speaker 1: is no pathological You have sought her out, You have
Speaker 1: decided to enter into this. It is clearly revenge. It's terrible.
Speaker 1: And you come to Nathan and Haley's house with you, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you show up just to walk around and put peacock
Speaker 1: around with her. It's so gross.
Speaker 4: That that would be a great scene with the therapist.
Speaker 4: I would love to just unpack that with him, because
Speaker 4: he's a psychopath. Also she's a psychopath. Yeah, she knows
Speaker 4: who he is and for him, like, could you imagine
Speaker 4: how awkward and uncomfortable it would be, like just put
Speaker 4: yourself as a normal person in his shoes, like to
Speaker 4: show up to your ex partner's house with the family,
Speaker 4: with the Wisibly family what.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely insane. And I was really surprised that Quinn
Speaker 1: didn't when when the door shut, Who shut the door?
Speaker 1: Was it me? Was it Quinn? I thought it was
Speaker 1: Quinn who shut the door, And I couldn't believe she
Speaker 1: didn't walk out and shut the door, like she decided
Speaker 1: to stay and see what's all this about? Shut the
Speaker 1: door with all of us in the house.
Speaker 7: I mean, oh my god, it's so awkward.
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you going to do? I got that.
Speaker 3: It's like, well, I guess everyone's okay, what's happening? And
Speaker 3: then they kiss right in front of her. Oil.
Speaker 4: You know what it is? He's he's the male version
Speaker 4: of Alex in the sense that this is just wildly
Speaker 4: manic behavior. We saw him being genuinely heartbroken and sincere
Speaker 4: five episodes ago, and now he is just a different person.
Speaker 4: Showing up with the sister at the family home. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's bonkers. Makes for good TV, though, I want to
Speaker 4: see what happens.
Speaker 1: It's gonna get weird.
Speaker 6: It is.
Speaker 3: She would have had no reason to be, but god,
Speaker 3: I wish Victoria had been in the room in that moment.
Speaker 3: Commentary would have been a chef's kiss.
Speaker 4: That would have been great.
Speaker 3: Next week, we'll.
Speaker 1: See any honorable mentions.
Speaker 4: Yes, you covering We Belong to the Night? Yeah, I
Speaker 4: thank you.
Speaker 3: Was fun.
Speaker 1: It with a lot of prep for that concert, so
Speaker 1: many was recording so many songs. We worked so hard
Speaker 1: on that. It was really cool to see it come
Speaker 1: to fruition.
Speaker 4: You guys killed it. Yeah, you're all of your hard
Speaker 4: work paid off and showed. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I loved it. That cover was great.
Speaker 4: Soph you have an honorable mention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I second yours. I loved that. I literally wrote
Speaker 3: in all caps, I'm just scrolling down to my notes
Speaker 3: we Belong to the Night cover and like all caps
Speaker 3: lock because I forgot.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like it's been so long. I remember shooting
Speaker 3: all of it, but I didn't remember like the particulars
Speaker 3: of every song, and I forgot that there was that
Speaker 3: that was the end of the day.
Speaker 1: I know, And then we got to meet Pat Benattar
Speaker 1: at that art It was so full circle.
Speaker 4: It was really cool.
Speaker 1: I covered your song on TV, but I didn't because
Speaker 1: I'm but didn't want to embarrass myself.
Speaker 4: No, I get it.
Speaker 3: It's one of those moments where you're like, I want
Speaker 3: to say the thing, but I'm not going to say
Speaker 3: the thing because I know, I know how this interaction
Speaker 3: goes the other way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know what am I gonna what's she gonna say?
Speaker 1: What's she gonna say? Great congratulation? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Has there ever been a celebrity where you overrode that
Speaker 4: instinct and you just let yourself geek out and have
Speaker 4: a moment?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all the time. I'm absolutely unhinged. What are you
Speaker 3: talking about? Like Jenny will come with me to things
Speaker 3: and be like, you cannot behave this way. You are
Speaker 3: also a famous person, and I'm like, that's.
Speaker 4: Hand I got to be.
Speaker 3: Oh, like I can't. I can't. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know how to talk to people that I admire.
Speaker 3: It is so I don't either. I just don't know
Speaker 3: how to do it.
Speaker 1: I love that you're just open about it, though, that
Speaker 1: you just like openly freak out because it actually is
Speaker 1: so much safer too, because you then the person knows
Speaker 1: that where exactly where they stand with you. I shut
Speaker 1: down and I just close up and then and then
Speaker 1: just like try to be cool, which it has the
Speaker 1: opposite effect because people can read they know when you're
Speaker 1: just trying to be cool, and then it's like, why
Speaker 1: are you being weird? And then it's yeah, I wish
Speaker 1: I could have had more of that, Like I need
Speaker 1: to let myself be free more.
Speaker 3: We're both weird in different ways because it's also weird.
Speaker 3: Like sometimes I'm like, if I could have just rained
Speaker 3: that in a little bit, I might have mill And
Speaker 3: then I think about it for like the next seventy
Speaker 3: two hours.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I can't sleep.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I'm I am right there in the middle
Speaker 4: of you two where I will not hesitate to tell
Speaker 4: someone that they do great work and I love their stuff. However,
Speaker 4: I am weirdly clinical about it. I'm like a doctor,
Speaker 4: like seeing a patient for the first time. Well, I
Speaker 4: will just like be passing someone in an elevator and
Speaker 4: be like, excuse me, I just want to let you
Speaker 4: know you do tremendous work. I love your stuff and
Speaker 4: then I'll walk away like I'm awkwardly like efficient, I'm
Speaker 4: like very like Switzerland about it, where I'm like, here's
Speaker 4: the information. You are great, have a wonderful day.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to take up your time.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, I'm like overly concerned about that.
Speaker 3: You're like a friendly robot. I love that.
Speaker 4: Literally saw Jerry d this Canadian comedian at the Sutton
Speaker 4: last time I was there, and I saw him leaving
Speaker 4: the elevator, and I did exactly that. It went like, Hey, Joey,
Speaker 4: do great work. I love your stuff. Oh You're just
Speaker 4: like what just oh, thank you?
Speaker 1: You know, because it's by a compliment.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I want I want to let you know
Speaker 4: I love you, but also I'm also aware of how
Speaker 4: these are, so I want to let you know you
Speaker 4: owe me nothing. Friend, I'm already gone by the time
Speaker 4: you've heard it.
Speaker 1: I did the same thing to Alan Cumming and Kristin
Speaker 1: Channa with at the Sutton Man Vancouver. Yes, they were
Speaker 1: standing outside and I was I was walking out with Maria.
Speaker 1: I was early in the morning. We were walking the dog,
Speaker 1: so I was rolled down in my pajamas. But I
Speaker 1: was like, I can't I can't just walk past them
Speaker 1: and pretend like I'm not a massive fan and have
Speaker 1: been for many, many, many many years. Yeah, but it
Speaker 1: was the same kind of like I walked the dog,
Speaker 1: hoped that they would still be in there, kind of
Speaker 1: walked with the elevator, and just like right before I
Speaker 1: got on, just kind of shouted over my shoulder, you
Speaker 1: guys are amazing. I'm so so impressed.
Speaker 6: I love you.
Speaker 1: Thank you for all your hard work.
Speaker 4: Bye, I love a good drive.
Speaker 1: By complimenting, my honorable mention goes to you, Rob say
Speaker 1: more game respect game you, Bobby Hobbs, that line off.
Speaker 1: I could not believe you had to say that out
Speaker 1: loud game in that context, Like it was so everything
Speaker 1: about it was so awkward, and you made it work.
Speaker 1: But I remember when I heard it, I was like,
Speaker 1: I looked looked up, like, did he have to say
Speaker 1: that line out loud? It's so corny, but you did it.
Speaker 1: It worked.
Speaker 4: Go on, Bobby Hobbs. Yeah, I forgot about that thing.
Speaker 1: Who was Bobby Hobbes.
Speaker 4: It was the boy in first grade who asked Quinn
Speaker 4: if she would be his girlfriend.
Speaker 1: Oh, oh, the name of the guy. That's why you
Speaker 1: say game respect game.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, and that's why Clay circles back and hands
Speaker 4: her the note of will you be my girlfriend? And yeah,
Speaker 4: revisiting that.
Speaker 1: Story, super super cute. Yeah, oh, I thought you meant
Speaker 1: like somebody named Bobby Hobbs came up with the quote
Speaker 1: game respect game.
Speaker 4: Shall we spin ourselves a wheel?
Speaker 7: Let's spin a wheel, folks, most likely.
Speaker 1: Most likely to be a Radio City rocket. Well, clearly
Speaker 1: Millie is just watching Ballet for some reason in her
Speaker 1: little drug done good answer.
Speaker 3: I think Millie is a great answer, especially because Lisa
Speaker 3: is such a good dnswer. And I also think like
Speaker 3: the person who came to my mind immediately was Barbara.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh sure do you think seeing her in that
Speaker 1: cheerleading uniform this weekend at the convention and she was
Speaker 1: just hoppy with all the girls. Oh yes, Barbara Allan Woods.
Speaker 3: I got pictures of her and I was like, that's it,
Speaker 3: Like an ageless beauty with those legs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a real tomato with great stems. Barbara Allan Woods.
Speaker 1: Put that woman on stage with the rackets.
Speaker 3: Let's well, next week is clearly going to get juicy
Speaker 3: because this Tailor and David thing is nuts and and
Speaker 3: the title really does give it away. Our next episode
Speaker 3: Friends is season seven, episode fourteen, actually titled Family Affair.
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