1
00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:10,160
Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, Radio News. Welcome to the Bloomberg

2
00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:15,920
Speaker 1: This Weekend Podcast with David Gura, Christina Raffini, and Lisa Matteo.

3
00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:20,560
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us for today's selection of conversations from

4
00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:20,959
Speaker 2: the show.

5
00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,479
Speaker 3: You can listen to our favorite discussions right here on

6
00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,800
Speaker 3: the podcast, and also make sure to join us live

7
00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,960
Speaker 3: every Saturday and Sunday morning starting at seven am Easter.

8
00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:32,760
Speaker 4: We're on Bloomberg Television, Radio and the Bloomberg Business App,

9
00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,600
Speaker 4: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics,

10
00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:39,120
Speaker 4: lifestyle and culture.

11
00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,160
Speaker 2: President Trump announced it on social media that the second

12
00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:49,160
Speaker 2: missing airman has been rescued safely from Iran. He also

13
00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:53,320
Speaker 2: had an exclusive text message exchange with NBC's Kristen Welker

14
00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,040
Speaker 2: in that the President called the rescue quote an Easter miracle.

15
00:00:57,400 --> 00:00:59,680
Speaker 2: He went on to say, according to NBC, the enemy

16
00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:04,720
Speaker 2: was low, large and violent. The rescuers were brilliant, strong devices, divisive,

17
00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:05,600
Speaker 2: as cool as.

18
00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:06,319
Speaker 5: Anyone can be.

19
00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:09,240
Speaker 2: The Iranians thought they had him, but it wasn't even close.

20
00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,520
Speaker 2: And remember we got two, but couldn't talk about the

21
00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,200
Speaker 2: first one.

22
00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,039
Speaker 5: It would have highlighted that there was a second.

23
00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,240
Speaker 2: Such a rescue has never happened before, and it goes

24
00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:21,319
Speaker 2: on from there, finishing with such a great military like

25
00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,399
Speaker 2: no other Happy Eastern.

26
00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,679
Speaker 6: That was on truth Social To be clear, he just

27
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:28,960
Speaker 6: posted this at the top of the hour now promising

28
00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:31,960
Speaker 6: a news conference at one pm tomorrow. He says it'll

29
00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,280
Speaker 6: be with the military Christina, presumably the Chairman of the

30
00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:37,440
Speaker 6: Joint Chiefs, maybe the Secretary of Defense Pete Hagsth will

31
00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,240
Speaker 6: be there with him, but a news conference that could

32
00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,560
Speaker 6: be a wide ranging well, that will be only hours

33
00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,399
Speaker 6: away from the ultimatum that he has given Iron to

34
00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:47,040
Speaker 6: open the strait.

35
00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:49,840
Speaker 2: Still a bit surprising we're not hearing from the president today,

36
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,280
Speaker 2: but obviously he's got a hustle back to Washington to

37
00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,360
Speaker 2: make this joint news conference happen and have those military

38
00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,760
Speaker 2: leaders behind him. As the president who's very aware of visuals,

39
00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,520
Speaker 2: and that's certainly the message he wants to send as

40
00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,680
Speaker 2: he wants to be doing this. I'm assuming back in

41
00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,560
Speaker 2: Washington as we get the information, and he will likely

42
00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,600
Speaker 2: have an update on the condition of that pilot. He

43
00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,760
Speaker 2: said in history of Social post he was injured. Not seriously,

44
00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:13,320
Speaker 2: we don't think so. He's being treated, but maybe he'll

45
00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,400
Speaker 2: have an update on his condition.

46
00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:16,320
Speaker 6: Well, it is interesting. At the top of this post,

47
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,800
Speaker 6: he says, we have rescued this seriously wounded and really

48
00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,440
Speaker 6: brave F fifteen crew member officer from deep inside the

49
00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:24,120
Speaker 6: mountains of US. This is the newest post that just

50
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,359
Speaker 6: came out, suggesting that because in the earlier post he

51
00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:28,960
Speaker 6: said no lives were lost and no one was wounded.

52
00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,799
Speaker 6: Now we're saying seriously wounded, remembering this individual punched out,

53
00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:35,200
Speaker 6: actually ejected from an F fifteen fighter jed it may

54
00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,280
Speaker 6: have been wounded before even getting to the ground.

55
00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,959
Speaker 2: If nothing else, you know, your body is taking a beating.

56
00:02:40,280 --> 00:02:42,760
Speaker 2: He as we were mentioning hikes up a mountain thousands

57
00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:45,079
Speaker 2: of feet you don't have we don't know already had

58
00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,639
Speaker 2: for water. You're not caring food supplies with you. He's

59
00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,720
Speaker 2: probably dehydrated, a little bit malnourished, and I would imagine

60
00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,000
Speaker 2: his body and his trio glands have just had it exactly.

61
00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,960
Speaker 6: I'm very common to have broken bones, a burst spleen,

62
00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:00,520
Speaker 6: these are all pretty common things that come from and

63
00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,800
Speaker 6: two black eyes when you inject. When you inject, because

64
00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:04,799
Speaker 6: you hit the air so hard, it's like crashing into

65
00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:08,600
Speaker 6: a wall. That's when you'll begin trying to avoid a manhunt.

66
00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:10,600
Speaker 6: It's truly remarkable what this person went through.

67
00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,920
Speaker 2: All Right, we want to go to our guests to

68
00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:14,440
Speaker 2: break this all down for us. Back with us, our

69
00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:17,720
Speaker 2: Bloomberg's White House correspondent Jeff Mason and our Jerusalem reporter

70
00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,519
Speaker 2: Dan Williams. Jeff, we're going to start with you, as

71
00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,160
Speaker 2: as Joe just mentioned, excuse me, President, clarifying the condition

72
00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:25,760
Speaker 2: of that pilot a little bit, and the fact that

73
00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,640
Speaker 2: we're going to have a press conference but not today.

74
00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:29,880
Speaker 2: Excuse me, a statement, I'm clear if it's a press

75
00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:30,760
Speaker 2: conference but not today.

76
00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:33,000
Speaker 7: Yeah.

77
00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,960
Speaker 8: First of all, happy to be confused with Joe at

78
00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,520
Speaker 8: any time, and second of all, yeah, at least that

79
00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:41,200
Speaker 8: clarifies when we're going to see the president in person

80
00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:43,680
Speaker 8: to talk about some of these things or make this

81
00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:48,040
Speaker 8: statement from the Oval office. Listen, this is a major

82
00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:53,720
Speaker 8: success for him. It's an extraordinary military operation and its

83
00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:55,640
Speaker 8: well covers up is the wrong way to say, but

84
00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:59,560
Speaker 8: it makes up for what was otherwise a huge political

85
00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 8: risk after that aircraft went down in Iranian territory on Friday.

86
00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:09,080
Speaker 8: The President had already started off last week by saying

87
00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,160
Speaker 8: that the President that he intended to pull the United

88
00:04:11,200 --> 00:04:13,840
Speaker 8: States out of this war within two to three weeks.

89
00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,960
Speaker 8: He's been very frustrated by the increase in oil prices

90
00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:22,120
Speaker 8: and the subsequent increase in gasoline prices, and so the

91
00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:25,000
Speaker 8: reporting was beginning to show broadly that he was.

92
00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:25,840
Speaker 5: Just over this war.

93
00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:30,680
Speaker 8: Then this happens on Friday and really ups the political

94
00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,880
Speaker 8: risk for him in terms of potential casualties and really

95
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,760
Speaker 8: broadly questioning whether or not the United States was really

96
00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,600
Speaker 8: ready to go into this war that it started. All

97
00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,520
Speaker 8: that comes for the United States a happy ending because

98
00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:48,279
Speaker 8: this man was rescued. And I'm sure that the President

99
00:04:48,360 --> 00:04:52,120
Speaker 8: is going to emphasize that when he speaks to the

100
00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,800
Speaker 8: press and the public tomorrow.

101
00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:56,320
Speaker 6: Well, just quickly, Jeff, do we expect an announcement that

102
00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,320
Speaker 6: if he holds forth at one pm Eastern time, that'll

103
00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:03,680
Speaker 6: be less than eight hours if I remember correctly as

104
00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,640
Speaker 6: to when the ultimatum would hit for Iran to open

105
00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,320
Speaker 6: the straight Is that going to be the final warning

106
00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,600
Speaker 6: or might he have a change in strategy.

107
00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,000
Speaker 5: It's just really hard to say, Joe.

108
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,600
Speaker 8: The President has changed his strategy so often over the

109
00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:19,440
Speaker 8: last five plus weeks that I think people are just

110
00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:23,880
Speaker 8: always ready for a potential additional shift. My guess is

111
00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,800
Speaker 8: that tomorrow he's going to want to focus on the

112
00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:29,680
Speaker 8: military success that we've just been talking about, but you'll

113
00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:34,760
Speaker 8: certainly be asked about that ultimatum and the latest on that,

114
00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,239
Speaker 8: and whether or not he's sticking to it or giving

115
00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:38,360
Speaker 8: them a little bit more time.

116
00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:41,440
Speaker 2: I also want to flag, although I can't read on

117
00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:44,599
Speaker 2: television due to the profanity in it, there is another

118
00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 2: tweet that has posted less than four minutes ago. I'm sorry,

119
00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,279
Speaker 2: truth social from the President to your point Joe about

120
00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,120
Speaker 2: this deadline that says Tuesday will be power plant and

121
00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,200
Speaker 2: bridge day all wrapped into one Iran. It says there

122
00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,040
Speaker 2: will be nothing like it. Open affaing straight you crazy

123
00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,400
Speaker 2: word I can't say on TV, or you'll be living

124
00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,400
Speaker 2: in word I can't say on TV. Just watch Praise

125
00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,320
Speaker 2: Be to Allah, signed President Donald J.

126
00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:11,200
Speaker 5: Trump.

127
00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,560
Speaker 2: Last Dan, your reaction to that, and I know you

128
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:17,520
Speaker 2: do have information.

129
00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,239
Speaker 5: We want to remind folks Israel.

130
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,839
Speaker 2: It seems like Mayor may have been involved in helping

131
00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,039
Speaker 2: find this pilot. What have you reported out, what have

132
00:06:25,080 --> 00:06:28,440
Speaker 2: you heard on on involvement from Tel Aviv in this rescue?

133
00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,599
Speaker 9: Well, I promise to keep it all Pg. Thirteen for

134
00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,200
Speaker 9: this broadcast. Yes, the Israeli say they had a part

135
00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120
Speaker 9: in this rescue operation. It would appear as supporting role,

136
00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,960
Speaker 9: mainly in suppressing fire, suppressing fire against those Iranian troops,

137
00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:48,920
Speaker 9: Iranian forces, militiamen who tried to reach that downed airmen,

138
00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:52,360
Speaker 9: and also in the supply of intelligence, presumably real time

139
00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,480
Speaker 9: tactical intelligence, given that there would have been several moving

140
00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,760
Speaker 9: elements here, not just the movement of this air man

141
00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:02,360
Speaker 9: trying to avoid capture and link up with a rescue party,

142
00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,320
Speaker 9: but the rescue party and the Iranian forces. And of

143
00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:09,160
Speaker 9: course in all this, when you have close smash allies

144
00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,360
Speaker 9: working in a busy tactical environment, they have to make

145
00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:14,760
Speaker 9: sure not to clash with one another inadvertently. So yes,

146
00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:16,720
Speaker 9: these rarely say they're a part of this orthough the

147
00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,680
Speaker 9: will certainly leave the heavy lifting the credit taking appropriately

148
00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200
Speaker 9: to the US President of the Americans. There have been

149
00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:27,000
Speaker 9: statements of congratulation by a number of senior Israeli ministers

150
00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:30,960
Speaker 9: and the like. As for Trump's strong words around Iran,

151
00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,880
Speaker 9: as Jeff noted, we're nearing that deadline that he set

152
00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:40,320
Speaker 9: for a threatened resumption or a certain embarking on energy attacks,

153
00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,280
Speaker 9: attacks on energy sites in Iran, which would definitely upset

154
00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,080
Speaker 9: what remains of the apple cart here, because the Iranians

155
00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:50,560
Speaker 9: have shown already that they're very capable of hitting energy

156
00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,080
Speaker 9: assets in neighboring Arab countries, countries they see as being

157
00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:57,920
Speaker 9: in cahoots with the Americans. Presumably they're capable of stepping

158
00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,720
Speaker 9: this up to hit power stations and the like and

159
00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,520
Speaker 9: plunging the region into darkness. I think was one threat

160
00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:08,280
Speaker 9: issued by Tehran just a couple of weeks ago. So yes,

161
00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:10,320
Speaker 9: we'll see that all the while, we should remember there's

162
00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,920
Speaker 9: another ticking clock on this. We're now in week six

163
00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,679
Speaker 9: of this war. Out the outset, Israel and the US

164
00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,400
Speaker 9: said there'd be a four to six week envelope they

165
00:08:19,360 --> 00:08:21,720
Speaker 9: estimated at a time until this war would be concluded

166
00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,640
Speaker 9: or carried, So we're really running against the upper edge

167
00:08:25,640 --> 00:08:27,960
Speaker 9: of that timeline, though again we've already had statements from

168
00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,040
Speaker 9: Washington suggesting it could go on into eight weeks. But

169
00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,520
Speaker 9: I think the questions and skepticism that have been swirling

170
00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:36,040
Speaker 9: around this wall from the outset are definitely going to

171
00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,240
Speaker 9: harden the closer we get to the edge of that

172
00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:39,280
Speaker 9: six week timeline.

173
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,480
Speaker 6: First, the threats against the civilian infrastructure in Iran would

174
00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,360
Speaker 6: run counter to the President who said help is on

175
00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,800
Speaker 6: its way in an effort to protect people who have

176
00:08:47,880 --> 00:08:50,040
Speaker 6: been protesting their government. But Dan, I just want to

177
00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:52,800
Speaker 6: ask you about the way some of the President's rhetoric

178
00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:55,480
Speaker 6: is landing in Israel. There have been two posts in

179
00:08:55,520 --> 00:08:59,600
Speaker 6: the last twenty four hours that made references to God,

180
00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,920
Speaker 6: i e. Holy war, if you're reading into this. The

181
00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,680
Speaker 6: first was time is running out forty eight hours before

182
00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:09,400
Speaker 6: all hell will rain down on them. Glory be to

183
00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:13,800
Speaker 6: God and on this Easter morning now, praise be to Allah.

184
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:15,720
Speaker 6: How is that interpretive in Israel?

185
00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,720
Speaker 9: Well, this is raally government, a government that was democratically elected,

186
00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:24,920
Speaker 9: doesn't lack for its own religious elements. It's religious nationalists, fundamentalists,

187
00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:27,960
Speaker 9: and indeed the Prime Minister, though to all appearances a

188
00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:32,440
Speaker 9: secular man, has very much invoked religion, especially since October

189
00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,320
Speaker 9: the seventh, which was in miniature a genocidal attack on

190
00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,480
Speaker 9: israelis that for many shook their faith in a country

191
00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,520
Speaker 9: that was meant to give them security in their personal security,

192
00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,560
Speaker 9: and many of them reinjected that fear into a New

193
00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,080
Speaker 9: zeal which we've seen in the way that this war

194
00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,760
Speaker 9: has been prosecuted. Keep in mind that it's a consecrit

195
00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,640
Speaker 9: military people who really aren't being paid and haven't freely

196
00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:57,160
Speaker 9: signed up. They're doing it because it's their duty to

197
00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,920
Speaker 9: the country. And the losses have been steep for these

198
00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:04,040
Speaker 9: obviously the extremely steep in Gaza, but at a per

199
00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:06,600
Speaker 9: capital level, the number of soldiers isra a loss from

200
00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:09,200
Speaker 9: that conscript military in these two and a half years

201
00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:12,120
Speaker 9: is more than four times the number of soldiers the

202
00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,079
Speaker 9: United States lost in the entirety of the Afghanistan in

203
00:10:15,120 --> 00:10:18,439
Speaker 9: Iraq operations. Those ran into twenty years in the case

204
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:22,400
Speaker 9: of Afghanistan eight to twelve years Iraq, depending who you ask,

205
00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,640
Speaker 9: So a major, major sacrifice here. The polls show that

206
00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,120
Speaker 9: while there has been a diminution to a degree of

207
00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,680
Speaker 9: the support for this war, it still has a majority

208
00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:34,559
Speaker 9: support many Israeli seated as the support against a millenarian

209
00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,360
Speaker 9: regime in Iran that wants their destruction and are responding

210
00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:41,520
Speaker 9: in kind. So I don't think that those quotes will

211
00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,960
Speaker 9: be seen as anything amiss in this part of the world,

212
00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:44,719
Speaker 9: at least.

213
00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,600
Speaker 2: Jeff, I mean, I hate to ask a political question,

214
00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:49,920
Speaker 2: given that there are lives on the line here, but

215
00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:53,239
Speaker 2: I have to ask a political question, how are Republicans

216
00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,679
Speaker 2: feeling about this conflict, especially going into the midterms, Because

217
00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:58,760
Speaker 2: if as we're talking about, if you're going by the

218
00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,720
Speaker 2: presidents rhetoric this morning, it doesn't seem like this is

219
00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,680
Speaker 2: ramping down. And we've actually got a tweet from a

220
00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,520
Speaker 2: strong presidential ally Lindsey Graham saying that he had a

221
00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:13,080
Speaker 2: call with Trump from Saturday after our show last week, saying,

222
00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,800
Speaker 2: after speaking with President Trump, I'm completely convinced that he

223
00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,360
Speaker 2: will use overwhelming military force against the regime if they

224
00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,320
Speaker 2: continue to impeded the strait of promoves and refuse a

225
00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,240
Speaker 2: diplomatic solution to achieve our military objectives. Choose wisely apologized

226
00:11:25,240 --> 00:11:27,000
Speaker 2: off the show yesterday, not last week.

227
00:11:29,080 --> 00:11:30,199
Speaker 5: Is this a liability?

228
00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:32,679
Speaker 2: Is it enough of a liability that you think Republicans

229
00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000
Speaker 2: could say, let's dial it back, or is everybody in

230
00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:39,680
Speaker 2: his fold staying on board for the time being.

231
00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:43,400
Speaker 8: It is absolutely a liability, and it's a liability because

232
00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:46,360
Speaker 8: the majority of Americans are opposed to this war, and

233
00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,040
Speaker 8: with the midterm elections coming in November, you're not just

234
00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,520
Speaker 8: thinking about your political base, and you're not just thinking

235
00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:56,320
Speaker 8: about hawkish Republicans. You're thinking about the other independents, some

236
00:11:56,360 --> 00:12:01,160
Speaker 8: Democrats and Republicans who you need to vote for your

237
00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:03,840
Speaker 8: party members in an effort to try to hold onto

238
00:12:04,000 --> 00:12:08,400
Speaker 8: control of Congress. And right now the House looks very vulnerable,

239
00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:11,400
Speaker 8: and the Senate's a little bit vulnerable too, a little

240
00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,439
Speaker 8: bit less so, so.

241
00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:14,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's absolutely a liability.

242
00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,880
Speaker 8: That said, to sort of tie in with Jose's question

243
00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:23,720
Speaker 8: to Dan, I think you see the President using various

244
00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:30,240
Speaker 8: sales pitch strategies here last week, certainly talking on Wednesday

245
00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,560
Speaker 8: night about the fact that this war has not been

246
00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,720
Speaker 8: as long as other US wars in Afghanistan and Iraq,

247
00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,520
Speaker 8: World War one, world War two, but also just the

248
00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 8: religious language that he used in the social media post today.

249
00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:50,280
Speaker 8: I think that is also an attempt to gin up

250
00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,600
Speaker 8: support among the evangelical right, which is a good chunk

251
00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:58,200
Speaker 8: of his base, and sort of create a religious angle

252
00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:02,440
Speaker 8: to this war to influence how people are thinking about it.

253
00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,559
Speaker 8: That's not going to work with a big chunk of

254
00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:07,440
Speaker 8: the electorate, but it may work with his base because

255
00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,640
Speaker 8: that's a really important element for them.

256
00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:17,040
Speaker 6: President has long fancied wrapping events around Easter, Jeff, remembering

257
00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,959
Speaker 6: Covid when we were going to reopen on Easter idea

258
00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,600
Speaker 6: that was long before anyone was ready to reopen anything.

259
00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:25,120
Speaker 6: Here we are again on an Easter Sunday, when he's

260
00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:28,400
Speaker 6: trying to seize on the holiday to deliver a message.

261
00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:29,480
Speaker 6: We've seen this before.

262
00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:32,560
Speaker 8: We absolutely have seen this before, and I'm glad you

263
00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:36,120
Speaker 8: mentioned COVID. I remember being in the press room in

264
00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:39,280
Speaker 8: the days before Easter in twenty twenty and asking his

265
00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,439
Speaker 8: then press secretary about his statement that everything would be

266
00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,200
Speaker 8: opened up again for Easter, and her making a comment about, well,

267
00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,760
Speaker 8: they're clearly there are people in the press room who

268
00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,559
Speaker 8: are who don't believe in God or don't want to

269
00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,480
Speaker 8: go to church, or some kind of flippant remark about that.

270
00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,760
Speaker 8: And my response to that was, this is not about

271
00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:59,600
Speaker 8: what we would believe, It's about wanting to know if

272
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:03,520
Speaker 8: it's safe. I share that anecdote just to tie into

273
00:14:03,559 --> 00:14:06,480
Speaker 8: your broader point, Joe, which is that the president absolutely

274
00:14:06,520 --> 00:14:12,320
Speaker 8: ties things today's like this and wants to gin up

275
00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,959
Speaker 8: emotions connected to religion, because that is a huge, huge

276
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,400
Speaker 8: issue for lots of Americans, but particularly Republicans and people

277
00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:22,200
Speaker 8: in the magabase.

278
00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:23,840
Speaker 5: All Right, we're gonna have to leave it there for now.

279
00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,360
Speaker 2: Jeff Mason, Dan Williams, thank you both so much for

280
00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:27,760
Speaker 2: joining us again on this holiday.

281
00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 5: We appreciate you both.

282
00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:33,680
Speaker 2: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend right

283
00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:34,200
Speaker 2: after this.

284
00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,120
Speaker 5: Joe, you've been around DC for a while.

285
00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,800
Speaker 2: You've chased lawmakers through hallways and on steakouts and all

286
00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,280
Speaker 2: those things.

287
00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,560
Speaker 5: Well, now Capitol Hill reporters are.

288
00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,640
Speaker 2: Going to have new company pending down those lawmakers, and that.

289
00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:01,880
Speaker 6: Is well, it's ta We're going to have to up

290
00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,080
Speaker 6: their game. And it's interesting because congress members know this.

291
00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,320
Speaker 6: They found it out the hard way a couple of

292
00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,360
Speaker 6: days ago, asked Lindsey Graham, and now others are like

293
00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,080
Speaker 6: mugging for the camera so they can just get it

294
00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:15,520
Speaker 6: out there first. This is what are you doing on

295
00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:16,240
Speaker 6: your recess?

296
00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,840
Speaker 2: So we interviewed the founder of TMZ about why they've

297
00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:19,440
Speaker 2: decided to.

298
00:15:19,400 --> 00:15:20,280
Speaker 5: Take this new approach.

299
00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:22,720
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for coming on and taking the time.

300
00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:25,000
Speaker 2: Why did you guys want to do this? This is

301
00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:28,800
Speaker 2: not something that I normally associate TMZ with, but it

302
00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:30,280
Speaker 2: seems to be blowing up.

303
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,280
Speaker 10: Well, we've been doing politics for years, so it's not

304
00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,600
Speaker 10: anything new to us.

305
00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:40,280
Speaker 7: Honestly, this was very spontaneous.

306
00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:47,680
Speaker 10: We were interviewing a TSA agent last week and she

307
00:15:47,960 --> 00:15:50,480
Speaker 10: was telling us what she is going through and it's

308
00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,680
Speaker 10: not just worrying about losing her apartment, not being able

309
00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,480
Speaker 10: to feed her kids, being in food lines, but her

310
00:15:56,560 --> 00:16:01,280
Speaker 10: mental and physical health were just deteriorating. And to listen

311
00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:07,440
Speaker 10: to her and then know that these members of Congress

312
00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:12,640
Speaker 10: we're just going to bail and leave town and not

313
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:17,160
Speaker 10: fund a bill that would give them something that's life

314
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,960
Speaker 10: saving was just enraging. And we spontaneously just said, look,

315
00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,080
Speaker 10: if anybody's watching this, who cares enough, send us pictures,

316
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,640
Speaker 10: send us videos of these members of Congress who are

317
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:36,200
Speaker 10: vacationing and living their lives as people like this woman

318
00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,400
Speaker 10: are suffering the way she is.

319
00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:40,960
Speaker 7: And we got a big response.

320
00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:42,800
Speaker 2: That's what I was going to ask you. How the

321
00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,240
Speaker 2: responses then? I mean, I've seen the codel, which is

322
00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:48,320
Speaker 2: the Congressional trip to Scotland. You had a bunch of

323
00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,200
Speaker 2: pictures from that as a Corey Booker in La Lindsey

324
00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,120
Speaker 2: Graham with a bubble wand in Disney World, Ted Cruz,

325
00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:56,280
Speaker 2: I mean you seem to be getting a lot of pictures.

326
00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,360
Speaker 2: Are you paying for these? Are you getting more than

327
00:16:58,400 --> 00:16:59,080
Speaker 2: you're publishing?

328
00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:00,880
Speaker 7: They're giving us.

329
00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,640
Speaker 10: People are giving us pictures. They're they're mad. I mean,

330
00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,280
Speaker 10: that's the other thing. It's it's it's amazing to me

331
00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,520
Speaker 10: how insulated people are, you know, in the Beltway where

332
00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:19,800
Speaker 10: they don't seem I don't think they really understood what

333
00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:22,080
Speaker 10: they were doing when they did it. I don't think

334
00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,240
Speaker 10: they knew the outrage people felt that they were leaving town.

335
00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:29,040
Speaker 2: You mean going on vacation while DHS because yeah, we

336
00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,119
Speaker 2: were calling their offices when we got a picture.

337
00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:32,800
Speaker 7: We would call their offices.

338
00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:36,840
Speaker 10: And they would almost be shocked that why are people

339
00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,840
Speaker 10: so upset about this?

340
00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,800
Speaker 7: I mean they they just couldn't process it.

341
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:44,520
Speaker 2: Is there any concern that this could backfire and make

342
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,800
Speaker 2: being a reporter on Capitol Hill even harder? Press access,

343
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:52,440
Speaker 2: getting these guys to talk about anything substantive is difficult.

344
00:17:52,600 --> 00:17:55,200
Speaker 2: We do chase them down hallways frequently. Is there any

345
00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,760
Speaker 2: concern that this will make them hide from us even more?

346
00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:03,080
Speaker 10: Okay, so let me tell you something. We are going

347
00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,639
Speaker 10: to increase our presence in DC. We're going to have

348
00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,760
Speaker 10: full time people.

349
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:11,400
Speaker 7: There and especially in the last week or so.

350
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,719
Speaker 10: I cannot tell you how many people, in some cases

351
00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:20,160
Speaker 10: members of Congress and in other cases there's staffs who

352
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:24,439
Speaker 10: have called us and said, this is great. We're going

353
00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,919
Speaker 10: to give you stories. We we are excited you like stories?

354
00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,800
Speaker 2: Or is this like dirt on the guy they're fighting

355
00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:32,919
Speaker 2: with dem dirt?

356
00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:35,200
Speaker 10: I mean, look, we're we're going to do two things,

357
00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,119
Speaker 10: because we've already been doing, you know, this idea of

358
00:18:38,160 --> 00:18:41,320
Speaker 10: pop culture meeting politics, and we've had frankly, a lot

359
00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,400
Speaker 10: of success with that. And and it's fun and there's

360
00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,359
Speaker 10: a dirt, it's just fun. And we're going to be

361
00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,560
Speaker 10: doing a mix of that with real important stories. And

362
00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:58,119
Speaker 10: people are actually more willing to give us stories because

363
00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,600
Speaker 10: of this. I mean, this is not just you know,

364
00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:04,720
Speaker 10: people on the outside. There are members of Congress who

365
00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:07,440
Speaker 10: feel they were kind of roped into this recess because

366
00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:09,200
Speaker 10: they really didn't have a voice, because it was the

367
00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:14,000
Speaker 10: leadership that made the decision. So don't think that, you know,

368
00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,639
Speaker 10: five hundred and thirty five members are going to scurry

369
00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:18,440
Speaker 10: away from reporters.

370
00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:20,760
Speaker 7: In a way, it's the opposite.

371
00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,000
Speaker 2: I was a DC reporter for most of my career,

372
00:19:23,040 --> 00:19:24,840
Speaker 2: covered the White House, coup of State, Department of Congress.

373
00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:27,760
Speaker 2: Part of me thinks exactly what we're thinking. It could use

374
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:29,680
Speaker 2: a shake up, we could use fresh blood. We could

375
00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:30,840
Speaker 2: always use accountability.

376
00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:31,600
Speaker 5: The more the merrier.

377
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,560
Speaker 2: But part of me is worried about you know, there's

378
00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:37,879
Speaker 2: an argument the beat reporting kind of broke Congress because

379
00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,560
Speaker 2: all these little sound bites and all these little like

380
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,320
Speaker 2: incremental scoops lost sight of the bigger issues and they

381
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,920
Speaker 2: made the conversation so myopic that big things can't get done.

382
00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:50,280
Speaker 5: And I guess I am a little bit concerned about that.

383
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,800
Speaker 2: Does that worry you at all?

384
00:19:53,160 --> 00:19:55,120
Speaker 10: You know, it's funny you say that. I think it's

385
00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,120
Speaker 10: the exact opposite that. What we've noticed is I think

386
00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,920
Speaker 10: you're right that they have gotten involved in looking at

387
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,080
Speaker 10: small things and thinking that that's the story. Yeah, And

388
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,760
Speaker 10: when you look at what we're doing with these photographs

389
00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:13,320
Speaker 10: and videos, it's really the big thing we're doing because

390
00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,760
Speaker 10: what we're doing is we're showing how the public feels

391
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 10: about them.

392
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 7: And I think they've lost that big view.

393
00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,479
Speaker 10: Of it and started looking at it, you know, the

394
00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 10: blame game that the Republicans didn't vote on this, or

395
00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,560
Speaker 10: the Democrats didn't do that, and they're not stepping back

396
00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 10: and looking at Congress as a whole.

397
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 2: Before I let you go, I just want to ask you.

398
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:37,040
Speaker 2: You seem so passionate about this, and I'm wondering if

399
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: this is Is this a legacy issue for you? Is

400
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,120
Speaker 2: this something that you want to make part of your

401
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 2: brand or is it just that you got really pissed

402
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:46,600
Speaker 2: off and wanted to do something about it in the moment.

403
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 10: Well, first of all, when you ask is it a

404
00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,239
Speaker 10: legacy issue, I think what you're saying is I'm going

405
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:52,399
Speaker 10: to die soon, So thank.

406
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:53,639
Speaker 5: You, I'm not.

407
00:20:53,840 --> 00:20:55,679
Speaker 2: And I realized it came out that way, but I

408
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,000
Speaker 2: was already committed at that point, so I joked.

409
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 7: That it's okay. I know the reality. I'll be honest

410
00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 7: with you.

411
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,359
Speaker 10: Two years into TMZ and this was eighteen years ago

412
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,399
Speaker 10: when we were with Warner Brothers. We were going to

413
00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 10: launch TMZ DC way back then, and we hi I

414
00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 10: went back to Washington numerous times, hired a staff. The

415
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,880
Speaker 10: night we had our dinner before the next day when

416
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:24,520
Speaker 10: we were going to launch, I got a call from

417
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 10: Warner Brothers saying, we're killing it because they just got

418
00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,840
Speaker 10: cold feet and they were scared, and so it's not

419
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,080
Speaker 10: something we just thought of.

420
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:34,320
Speaker 7: This is something, at least for.

421
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,760
Speaker 10: Me, it's been in my hand for many, many years,

422
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:42,199
Speaker 10: and we've covered it kind of, you know, piecemeal, but

423
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,639
Speaker 10: we're gonna jump in now. And yeah, I mean I

424
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:51,240
Speaker 10: have a personal passion for it because I've always been

425
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 10: into politics, but I also think it's important and frankly,

426
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 10: I also think this is a part of pop culture.

427
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,040
Speaker 10: And you know, even before Trump, i mean, Obama was

428
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:04,600
Speaker 10: a rock star, and you know, for many years, you know,

429
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:08,080
Speaker 10: politicians have kind of captured the imagination of a lot

430
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 10: of people in various different ways. I mean, John Fetterman

431
00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:15,199
Speaker 10: is just an interesting figure. So you know, what is

432
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 10: a celebrity? What is somebody who is in the middle

433
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 10: of pop culture? That's a very broad thing in this country.

434
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:27,360
Speaker 2: Harvey Levin, founder of TMZ, Stay with us for more

435
00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: on Bloomberg this weekend. Right after this this year's ninetieth

436
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 2: Masters Tournament is going to be like no other in

437
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: recent memory. For the first time in more than thirty years,

438
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: two of the biggest names in golf won't be present.

439
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,560
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods and Phil Nicholson are going to be absent

440
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,359
Speaker 2: from the Green and Augusta. In addition to those noticeable absences,

441
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,760
Speaker 2: IBM and the Master's Tournament are using AI to give

442
00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: fans a way to experience the game and the course

443
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 2: like never before.

444
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:03,440
Speaker 7: Yeah.

445
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 6: Joining us now is bones the famous caddie Jim McKay,

446
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 6: golf commentator, golf caddy for Phil Micholson. He was on

447
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 6: Mickelson's back for twenty five years and he's with us

448
00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 6: on Bloomberg this weekend along with Jonathan Adishack, Senior vice

449
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 6: president of Marketing and Communications at IBM, coming together for

450
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 6: this super cool piece of technology that's essentially an AI

451
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 6: powered immersion experience. Jonathan tell us about this, it almost

452
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 6: seems like you don't have to go to Augusta anymore.

453
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 11: First, it's a thrill to be here with you. And

454
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,640
Speaker 11: what we're doing this year in partnership with Augusta we've

455
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,719
Speaker 11: been partners for thirty years, is we're bringing the Fairway

456
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 11: to every fan. Not everybody gets to go to the Masters,

457
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,679
Speaker 11: and people follow it in different ways. People love to

458
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:51,399
Speaker 11: camp out and watch on one hole, or people like

459
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 11: to watch their group, and what we're doing is providing

460
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 11: new ways to do that, and we're also providing a

461
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,240
Speaker 11: new historical view. The Masters has had this vault for

462
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 11: many years, a vault video vault that gives footage from

463
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 11: the various rounds. This year, you can look at the

464
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,320
Speaker 11: final round of every tournament since broadcast has been there

465
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 11: over fifty years, and you can use natural language to

466
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 11: go find the shot that you want to see. If

467
00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 11: that was Rory hitting his shot of a lifetime to

468
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 11: win his first Green jacket last year, or that was

469
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,000
Speaker 11: Larry Maiz and his bump and run or Jack Nicholas

470
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 11: birdie on seventeen and nineteen eighty six, those are all

471
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:31,800
Speaker 11: there very easily with natural language. The other thing we're

472
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 11: doing this year is providing whole insights, and whole insights

473
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 11: is giving a new version of probability. The AI is

474
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 11: developing probability on what somebody will score based on where

475
00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,720
Speaker 11: that shot lands. So they take the exact coordinates, they

476
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 11: marry that against historical data over twenty thousand shots a

477
00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 11: tournament and predict whether or not you'll score. The player

478
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 11: will score an eagle or a birdie or a par

479
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 11: or bogey or otherwise on the shot bounds.

480
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 2: I'm wondering how you feel about all this, because you've

481
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: played the screen.

482
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:03,919
Speaker 5: You've walked it as a caddy.

483
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: How many miles do you think are steps you've walked

484
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,479
Speaker 2: around Augusta And then the team at IBM used some

485
00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 2: of your insights to kind of build out some of

486
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,120
Speaker 2: these experiences.

487
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 5: I'm curious to how that went.

488
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:19,399
Speaker 12: It was an incredible honor to team with IBM to

489
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 12: do this, and certainly the Master's app, which is powered

490
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:26,240
Speaker 12: by IBM, is renowned amongst the players and the caddies

491
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 12: out there at Augusta National for being the best app

492
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 12: probably in sports.

493
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: It's ah right, all right, all right, don't stop the mansion.

494
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 5: Tell us about how that experience was.

495
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 2: Was it how did you partner with them, and how

496
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:40,960
Speaker 2: did this work and how were you able to bring

497
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: all of your knowledge to this app that we will

498
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 2: put out there and agree on is excellent?

499
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, so it was. It was really cool for me.

500
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 12: We were talking about past experiences and things that have

501
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,119
Speaker 12: gone on in holes over the course of the years,

502
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 12: and certainly through their whole insights, they've been able to

503
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 12: develop over one hundred and eighty thousand pass shots for

504
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 12: you to basically key in on and and see how

505
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 12: what the historical data has relative to those shots and

506
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 12: what you can ultimately expect for the player to do

507
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,440
Speaker 12: from that point on. But it's it's been an amazing

508
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 12: experience for me and for someone like me just walked

509
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 12: Augusta Nashville probably close to two hundred times. It's it's

510
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,520
Speaker 12: just a real pleasure to bring that experience to to

511
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 12: everybody else.

512
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 6: No, Jim, I was just going to ask, how many

513
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 6: times do you think you've walked Augusta or played Augusta

514
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 6: two hundred times as amazing? To what extent could you

515
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 6: bring that experience to bear in this project with IBM.

516
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's a fascinating question. I you know, having been

517
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 12: around it as much as I have, and certainly I

518
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 12: wish I got to play it as much as I've

519
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 12: caddied it, and that certainly isn't the case. It's a

520
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,880
Speaker 12: hard course to get on, as you know, but it's

521
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 12: been just a wonderful experience and and I have you know,

522
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 12: really taken the context of what we've done over the years,

523
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 12: brought it to IBM and helped them out in terms

524
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 12: of creating the Master's app and ultimately what goes on

525
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 12: with whole insights and ultimately the Master's Vault.

526
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 2: Jonathan, You guys used Watson as part of this. Is

527
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 2: that the name of the new AI is that. I mean,

528
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 2: Watson is a legendary IBM computer. How does that factor

529
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: in and what does that computing power get you? Is

530
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: that who's calculating all those shots and everything else? Like that?

531
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 11: Watson X is what we're using for this. It's our AI.

532
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, I didn't realize you guys were calling it

533
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 5: Watson AX.

534
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 11: It's a reinvention of where we were in the past,

535
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 11: and it is bringing that compute power that AI to

536
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,879
Speaker 11: the table and bringing in the insights you get from

537
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 11: somebody like Bones. Nobody knows the course like he does,

538
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 11: and it's bringing all of the data together to give

539
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 11: this new experience for.

540
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: I mean, do you worry at all though golf is

541
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 2: so much about getting outside the grass the experience, the

542
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: leisure activity where there's a big discussion right now about

543
00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: sports and betting and quantifying this all to the numbers

544
00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,199
Speaker 2: and percentages. She realized is going to take it you

545
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 2: Are you at all free it's going to take any

546
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:02,200
Speaker 2: of the spirit out of it?

547
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 5: Or do you think it's just going to add to

548
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 5: the game.

549
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 11: We think it's just going to add to the game,

550
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 11: and we think the opportunity for people to get a

551
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 11: new experience like this as they're watching a tournament and

552
00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 11: engaging with a tournament like the Masters is unique. We're

553
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 11: going to bring some of it also to Madison Square

554
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 11: Park this weekend, I mean this week with Thursdays through Sunday.

555
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,359
Speaker 11: We're really excited for that where you're even going to

556
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 11: have an opportunity for the first time to in a

557
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 11: simulate or play one of the Augusta holes a Madison

558
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,600
Speaker 11: Square Park. So it's going to be It's all these things,

559
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 11: I think just drive more fans and more people to

560
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 11: be passionate about the sport and engage and dry and

561
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:36,000
Speaker 11: play it themselves.

562
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 6: I don't know if everyone's seeing Jonathan socks and sneakers

563
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 6: this morning, but you're very on brand.

564
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,480
Speaker 5: I think we get them. As the greens are on

565
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 5: the ground.

566
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 6: I had to be a Master's I can hear the

567
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 6: piano music swelling up right now. You made a reference

568
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 6: I think to natural language. That's the AI component that

569
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 6: we're talking about here right, what you're allowed to do

570
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,520
Speaker 6: when it comes to search. Yeah, you can use natural

571
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 6: language search.

572
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 11: The AIB behind it is looking across as you're looking

573
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 11: at the vault. It's using optical character recognition, it's using

574
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 11: speech to text, it's using scene recognition, So all sorts

575
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 11: of AI technology that sits underneath it. But you don't

576
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 11: have to know that. You have to know. I want

577
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 11: to see Larry Mice's bump and run. I want to

578
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 11: see Jose Maria ole Thabols shot to win the tournament.

579
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 11: I want to see John Rahm. Like you can just

580
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 11: type those things in and there it is for you.

581
00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 2: Jim as somebody who clearly loves the game and has

582
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 2: loved the game for a very long time, I want

583
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 2: you to tell me who struggles with golfers, Well, I'm

584
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 2: just terrible at it.

585
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 5: I've tried.

586
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: I'm a really bad golfer. But it's not a game.

587
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: It's not a game that's experienced from home a lot.

588
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: So what is your pitch to someone about why golf

589
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 2: is so magical and how do you think having more

590
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 2: ways to experience it with this app is going to

591
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: help someone like me come around on this game that

592
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: I really I do want to like it, I promise

593
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 2: I do.

594
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 12: Well, it's just it's a game for the A and

595
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 12: the thing about golf that I love is that it

596
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 12: takes you places, you know, whether it's ultimately, you know,

597
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 12: going to the Masters as a patron potentially, or just

598
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 12: going out and playing nine holes with your spouse one

599
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,480
Speaker 12: afternoon and and you know, before dark. It's it's the

600
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 12: most special game. And the thing that I found in

601
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 12: my thirty seven years around the sport is who ultimately,

602
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 12: you know, you meet through it. It's just a wonderful experience.

603
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 12: And certainly I was lucky to get to caddy for

604
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 12: twenty five years on the PGA Tour and it took

605
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 12: me all around the world and and and it's some

606
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 12: fabulous experiences. But it's it's just it's just absolutely wonderful.

607
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 12: And relative to to the to this Master's App, it's

608
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 12: just it brings you closer to the game, and that's

609
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 12: what it is. You know, not a lot of people

610
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 12: get to ultimately attend the Masters as a patron, but

611
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 12: to be able to see every shot virtually as it's

612
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 12: played on the app, and to keep up with a game,

613
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 12: and of course through the Master's Vault search and the

614
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 12: whole insights is just it brings you closer to what

615
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:00,959
Speaker 12: is considered to be the most like kic golf tournament

616
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 12: anywhere in the world, and just creates that kind of

617
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 12: love for the game that so many of us feel.

618
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 6: You know, as you refer to the relationships that come

619
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 6: with the game, Jim, I'd love to hear about the

620
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 6: relationship between the caddy and the golfer and what you

621
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 6: experienced in those twenty five years with Michelson and with

622
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 6: many others. I'm really fascinated by that partnership and the

623
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 6: extent to which you're helping each other. It's not unlike

624
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 6: a producer and a broadcaster, Christina. It really revolves around trust.

625
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 6: And I think about you in twenty ten in the

626
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: Trees with Phil Mickelson on the thirteenth hole disagreeing about

627
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 6: maybe what strategy to take here. Talk about that push

628
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,120
Speaker 6: and pull and the trust that you experience with your player.

629
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's such a great question. It's ultimately what's the

630
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 12: most important thing that goes on between players and caddies

631
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 12: is that trust? As you mentioned, and certainly you know,

632
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 12: it's fascinating to be out there as a caddy with

633
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 12: these players, especially at a ternament like the Masters, because

634
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:02,959
Speaker 12: ultimately these players are potentially living out their dreams. This

635
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 12: is what they've dreamed about since they were a small

636
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 12: child in terms of, you know, ultimately getting to the

637
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 12: finish line and putting their arms into that green jacket.

638
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 12: So so many big decisions are made out there on

639
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 12: the golf course between the player and the caddy, and

640
00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 12: certainly as a caddy you need to be right ninety

641
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 12: nine percent of the time. And you reference that shot

642
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 12: from the pine straw there in twenty ten. Certainly, when

643
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 12: I spoke to Phil initially about it, he just let

644
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 12: me know, Hey, I'm going for this green and stood,

645
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 12: no matter what you say, this is going to happen.

646
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 12: And I pushed back a little bit just to see

647
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 12: if he was eighty percent in or one hundred percent in,

648
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 12: and I realized very quickly it was one hundred and

649
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 12: so we just basically talked over the oriage, which was

650
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 12: two hundred and four yards, and he hit the most,

651
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 12: you know, the career defining shot for him, particularly at

652
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 12: the Masters, and it was a wonderful thing to witness

653
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 12: and hopefully a testament to the kind of working relationship.

654
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 6: We had legendary.

655
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 5: So then you're an SVP, you make big decisions. Do

656
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 5: you have a caddy in your life?

657
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 2: Is it important for leaders to have caddies, someone who's

658
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 2: going to tell them and fight with them about decisions.

659
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 11: I've got a great team. I'm really fortunate, and I

660
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,960
Speaker 11: like to say I like to be the I like

661
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 11: to be the dumbest person in the room. I like

662
00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 11: to be surrounded by people who are a lot smarter

663
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 11: than me, and it allows us to get to a

664
00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 11: better place as an organization.

665
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 5: Who are you most looking forward to watching this weekend?

666
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 11: I just love the tournament to end. But what I

667
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 11: am excited about is what I know you two are

668
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,960
Speaker 11: going to do during break, getting on the app and

669
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 11: looking at twenty ten and looking at that shot once

670
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 11: again through the right right away to be able to

671
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 11: look at the shot.

672
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I am pretty curious.

673
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 2: You also say you'd like out at like one specific spot.

674
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 5: Just watch everybody go by.

675
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 11: You can watch every hole. Just say I'm going to

676
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 11: watch the twelfth or I'm going to watch the tenth,

677
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 11: and just watch every player to come through.

678
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 5: I mean, that's pretty.

679
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 6: Cool, absolutely amazing. We only have for thirty seconds even less.

680
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 6: Who are you watching this weekend? Knowing who's not going

681
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 6: to be there.

682
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 12: I certainly what I would hope to see, love to

683
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 12: see would be the ultimate, which is the Cheffler McElroy showdown. Certainly,

684
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,520
Speaker 12: you know Scotty's wanted Tom and twice before. I'm a

685
00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 12: big believer in the fact that if you've won the

686
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 12: tournament previously, you play with a whole lot less pressure

687
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 12: on you. Rory of course, got it done last year,

688
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 12: so I'm looking for a big head to head battle.

689
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 6: Jim McKay Jonathan Adashek. Great conversation looking forward to the

690
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 6: Masters with the help of AI here on Bloomberg this weekend.

691
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 4: Stay with us for more on Bloomberg this weekend. Right

692
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 4: after this.

693
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: Now for the segment that I call bt dubs, David

694
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Gera insists on saying bt W, So, as the sub host,

695
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: which of those would you.

696
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 5: Like to say?

697
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 6: I guess I'd go W. But now like I know that, well,

698
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 6: I mean it sounds like a radio station coming.

699
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 7: Up on bt W.

700
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:51,240
Speaker 6: Well that's true, all right, I'm okay, do you guys

701
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 6: call the show? Is that shorthand for the show like

702
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 6: off the air?

703
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:54,280
Speaker 7: Yeah?

704
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 4: This weekend and it takes me sometimes by the little

705
00:34:57,880 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: while to catch.

706
00:34:58,440 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 5: Up and we were very proud of ourselves.

707
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:00,400
Speaker 7: Get that out.

708
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,279
Speaker 5: Good job at least the what you got for today.

709
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 8: Okay.

710
00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: We talk a lot about AI, right, Okay, So this

711
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 4: one is a story from Bloomberg News. I want to

712
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 4: read you the headline.

713
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: Okay.

714
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,200
Speaker 4: So meet the new AI co worker who won't stop

715
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 4: snitching to your boss.

716
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 7: Okay.

717
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 4: So this is a company. It's called q's AI. So

718
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:19,280
Speaker 4: they created this AI employee. Okay, they call it junior.

719
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: It's entirely virtual.

720
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 8: Okay.

721
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 4: So he companies buy this okay, and this junior can

722
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 4: access company data. It knows who does what, knows what

723
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 4: colleagues are connected to each other. Okay, it can join

724
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: every zoom, call it drafts, marketing campaigns.

725
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 3: It does all this.

726
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 4: But you know what it also does.

727
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 5: It snitches.

728
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,959
Speaker 4: It goes on slack and it starts to point out

729
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,480
Speaker 4: different co workers who are not keeping up and following

730
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 4: up on their duties. Okay, and it starts to call

731
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 4: them out on it on slack, in front of the boss,

732
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 4: in front of everybody who else is on slack too.

733
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 6: It's going to improve our lives.

734
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 5: Yes, this's another reason for me to just like slack.

735
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 6: Don't you have something like that in the terminal they

736
00:35:58,120 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 6: can tell when we come and when we.

737
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 2: Go, and well, yeah, when we when I started here,

738
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: they said, well, when you scan in, it goes on

739
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: your email and everyone can see when.

740
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 5: You're in the office. I find that terrifying.

741
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 6: You can't hide here.

742
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 5: That's an internal function.

743
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 2: Externally, you can't look us up and find out over

744
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: in the building.

745
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 4: It's about two thousand and a month, so companies are

746
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,399
Speaker 4: paying though they're trained to run to test it out

747
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 4: and see if they like it and if the employees

748
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 4: like it.

749
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 5: But we'll see it.

750
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 2: Just don't feel like it's just like squeezing, you know,

751
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 2: juice from a rock. I don't feel like they're getting

752
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: more productivity out of people who are being bombarded with

753
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 2: apps that they're not in the app, that's for sure.

754
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 4: But it's a lot, it's a lot, all right. Well,

755
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 4: the question are you a workout guide Joe to go

756
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 4: to the gym?

757
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 6: You not looking at me? Have an answer to that?

758
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 6: She had to ask.

759
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: Christina, you know you kind of you work out? Yeah,

760
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 4: I know she does.

761
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 2: We know you posted at four am on your Instagram

762
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: like a lunatic.

763
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 5: But yes, this is a new one for you.

764
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 7: Joe.

765
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 5: Okay, so it say's tuned.

766
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 4: This is from the Wall Street Journal. It says muscles

767
00:36:57,320 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 4: Buy Electricity, the latest fitness craze. Okay, this is electrical

768
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 4: muscle stimulation or EMS. So people are using it to

769
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 4: boost your workout. So basically what is it. It's a

770
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: suit that you put on right, and it has these

771
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 4: electrodes in it and so it zaps your muscles. So

772
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 4: basically it's helping them contract so that you don't have

773
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 4: to work out for as long. So they're saying that

774
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 4: maybe about twenty minutes equals about an hour in the gym,

775
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 4: so it lessens your gym time, but you're getting zapped.

776
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 5: That has proven.

777
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:32,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, this is real, but really the product is real.

778
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 6: I have actually tried something like this. My wife learns

779
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 6: like a biohacking studio and they put these paddles on

780
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 6: you and it sort of like shocks you and you

781
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 6: feel like you did two hundred thousand in five.

782
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 3: Minutes or something like that.

783
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 5: Can you notice the difference, Uh?

784
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean you feel sort of like feel it's

785
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 6: like when.

786
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,280
Speaker 4: Your phone kind of vibrates on vibrate.

787
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 5: And if you had it pretty good.

788
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 4: That's how they know that's how they explained it. So

789
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: but it can go.

790
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 6: Why you knew I work out, You just didn't realize

791
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 6: how easy it was.

792
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 5: I guary on it. I guess I had.

793
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 2: So I had a spinal cord injury and they had

794
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: to like stick electrodes and the muscles to get them

795
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: to like wake back up. And I guess that did work.

796
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 2: So if that theory works, it does contract the muscles.

797
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: I just didn't think.

798
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 6: Plug me in.

799
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 2: I don't even have to get I don't have to

800
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: do planks anymore. That great, Okay, all right, well then

801
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: yay technology.

802
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 4: See it's tritting in your work out. This one I

803
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 4: want to point to to the Weekend. This is from Bloomberg.

804
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: It says for China's rich, the new must have is

805
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:30,839
Speaker 4: a luxury home in Zimbabwe. Okay, so this is a

806
00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 4: really interesting story. So the luxury homes cost about five

807
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 4: hundred thousand to two million dollars there. This is in Harari,

808
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: that's Zimbabwe's capital. So they have their own solar power supplies,

809
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 4: big real estate agencies hiring Mandarin speakers. They say why Zimbabwe,

810
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 4: And you're saying why because the country has higher literacy,

811
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 4: established industries, A well trained workforce, and the Chinese are

812
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: really starting to take over. They're making money there. You

813
00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 4: see different restaurants too, popping up there in the region

814
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 4: because so it is it is so they're developing it

815
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 4: and this is an upcoming sector.

816
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 7: Two.

817
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 4: Amazing, This one I want to get to before you

818
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 4: run out of time. I know I'm watching the clock

819
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:12,959
Speaker 4: Boston Globe. Okay, so let me break down the story first. Okay,

820
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 4: this is Beverly mansion. Burglar likely had inside knowledge. This

821
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,000
Speaker 4: is what experts say. Okay, so the basic rundown. Okay,

822
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 4: a home invasion in Beverly. The intruder broke into this

823
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 4: eighteen million dollar waterfront mansion in Pride Crossing right, one

824
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 4: of the wealthiest neighborhoods. The caretaker was home, she was

825
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 4: a family friend. She was assaulted, tied up.

826
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 7: The reporter.

827
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 4: This is the story. Her name is Emily Sweeney. She

828
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: was interviewed. She interviewed the homeowner on social media, and

829
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 4: it's the video that was posted to the Boston Clone

830
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 4: telling the story that's really getting some attention.

831
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 5: Listen up.

832
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 13: Several valuables were stolen, including a Porsche that was used

833
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 13: to escape from the property. The ka has since been recovered,

834
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 13: but the suspect remains at large. The caretaker who was

835
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,040
Speaker 13: tied up managed to escape and go to a Nave's

836
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 13: house for help.

837
00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,719
Speaker 4: Shout out to Emily Sweeney all because of her Boston

838
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 4: axed telling the story. If you're watching on TV, she's

839
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 4: actually wearing it Adidas tracksuit too.

840
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: She's done another one since in another tracksuit and looks iconic.

841
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 6: She does a lot of Emily, and I know Emily

842
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 6: sweet pretty well. I actually spent a lot of years

843
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 6: doing news in Boston.

844
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 7: That's for me.

845
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:19,280
Speaker 6: She's the pride of Dorchester and she has been cranking

846
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 6: out videos like these for years.

847
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 3: I don't how did this.

848
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 2: She came up in my feed and the comments are

849
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 2: like can she read me bedtime stories?

850
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 5: Like I want her.

851
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: She's the only person allowed to do the news from

852
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 2: now in perpetuity, like can't take a like Emily, I

853
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 2: love you.

854
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 5: You're it's such an icon.

855
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 6: No one deserves to be famous more than Emily Sweeney today.

856
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 6: I love that happy.

857
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 5: Easter, I will say.

858
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: Also, the Boston Globe social media team has been really great.

859
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 2: They've been doing a great job across the park. So

860
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,359
Speaker 2: come on, said Emily you can talk to us about

861
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 2: whatever you want for as long as you want.

862
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 5: Thanks Lisa, that was a great mix today.

863
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 2: Thanks for joining us on today's Bloomberg This Weekend podcast.

864
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 2: Don't forget to tune in live for the show every

865
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 2: Saturday and Sunday mornings, starting at seven am Eastern.

866
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 3: We're on Bloomberg Television Radio and the Bloomberg Business App,

867
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 3: bringing you unique takes and in depth interviews on news, politics, lifestyle,

868
00:41:09,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: and culture.