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Speaker 1: Doug Godlieb Show, B Sports Radio. I hope you're having

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Speaker 1: a great day. What a sports weekend, kids, Wow Wow,

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Speaker 1: be late. A happy birthday to Sam Kinsley, who's our

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Speaker 1: resident Cliff Claven On the ones and twos, his Hawk

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Speaker 1: Eys escape with a one point victory over Penn State.

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Speaker 1: Showe hey Atani has arguab maybe inarguably the greatest playoff

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Speaker 1: performance of all time. College football was insane in so

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Speaker 1: many different ways. The you goes down also Friday night

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Speaker 1: that you went down, you went down at home, and

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Speaker 1: then you go to yesterday and Colts look like they're

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Speaker 1: for real. Congratulations to me on drafting Jonathan Taylor. It's

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Speaker 1: my starting running back in fantasy football. I nailed that one.

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Speaker 1: I nailed that one, and then we got the New

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Speaker 1: York Giants and the Denver Broncos so Buyer you know,

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Speaker 1: does his Sunday show, and these games are going on,

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Speaker 1: and to those of us who are like red Zone Nation,

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Speaker 1: you're like, why do we keep coming back? Why do

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Speaker 1: we keep coming back to this game? And I remember

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Speaker 1: the extra point that was missed in the first half

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Speaker 1: when the Giants were up thirteen nothing, and the announcers

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Speaker 1: always that that could come back to get to bite them,

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Speaker 1: and they missed another one in the fourth quarter. Turns

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Speaker 1: out it did come back, in fact to bite them.

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Speaker 1: The Denver Broncos score thirty three points in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 1: win the game thirty three thirty two. There's a lot.

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Speaker 1: Let's let's get to some of the voices of some

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Speaker 1: of the key players in this thing. Here's Brian Daboll,

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Speaker 1: head coached the Giants on what he said to his

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Speaker 1: team after the loss.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, tough loss. Put her heart stroll into it.

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Speaker 1: So not a lot of talking that needs to be

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Speaker 1: done when you lose a game like that.

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Speaker 3: Everybody gave everything they had.

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Speaker 4: They should yell Shane direction at the end there Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, nothing that we lost the game.

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Speaker 1: I was upsetting.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna set with shame in.

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Speaker 6: That moment, it was directed, No, we lost the.

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Speaker 1: Here's Jackson Dart, his starting quarterback, on the loss.

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Speaker 6: I think for right now, it's just it's really frustrating, man.

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Speaker 6: I'm trying to put it all together.

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Speaker 2: We had chances to win the game, didn't do it.

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Speaker 7: It's frustrating.

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Speaker 3: I never felt like we were gonna lose the game.

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Speaker 8: So, you know, I looked at the clock when they scored, said, Dame,

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Speaker 6: Of time left.

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Speaker 7: I had.

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Speaker 2: I had no doubt that we were gonna go down

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Speaker 2: there and score.

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Speaker 1: Here's Bo Nicks, the victorious quarterback on the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: They put up thirty three in the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 2: We just saved all our good ones for the fourth

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Speaker 4: We just kept running them and you know, we found

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Speaker 4: some momentum and our defense found some stops, got a

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Speaker 4: huge turnover, and all of a sudden, we just got

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Speaker 4: some life back that we could win the game. And

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Speaker 4: so we you know, kept playing until we won the game.

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Speaker 1: Crazy stuff. You know, I think one of the things

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Speaker 1: that I can use my other job to relate in sports.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we played Oakland University our last game

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Speaker 1: I think the thing, there's a bunch of things one

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Speaker 1: And learning how to win is a hard, hard skill

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Speaker 1: big the lead they could get, it's surmountable because it

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Speaker 1: was just surmounted yesterday Byer. When you're hosting the show

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Speaker 1: we might have something going on here in Denver.

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Speaker 9: Well, we had something going on when it was thirteen

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Speaker 9: we'll keep our eye on it. So Denver scores. They

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Speaker 9: score early the fourth quarter, and then the Broncos are

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Speaker 9: excuse me, the Giants are on offense and there's a

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Speaker 9: play where the ball goes through Wandale Robinson's hands and

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Speaker 9: and it's twenty six to eight, and you say to yourself,

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Speaker 9: there it is. That's how you know it's the Giants day.

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Speaker 9: So at that point, when it's twenty six to eight,

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Speaker 9: even though they score dug even though they score in

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Speaker 9: their next possession. I mean there's a point where right

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Speaker 9: scores on that next play, and then you're like twenty

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Speaker 9: six to sixteen, but still Denver really hadn't done tons

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Speaker 9: on offense except for those previous two drives. Then Dart

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Speaker 9: throws the bad interception. By the way, you're hearing a

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Speaker 9: lot of praise on Jackson Dart's numbers today. Jackson Dart

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Speaker 9: through the bad interception. He missed two opportunities on wide

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Speaker 9: open plays where it open yes one of the game

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Speaker 9: ended the game. And then the only reason that he

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Speaker 9: in that situation, but they had a timeout, they had

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Speaker 9: pass interference call. He did make a great play on

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Speaker 9: awful roughing the passer call. And I was sitting next

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Speaker 9: to Carry Roads through all this, and then they showed

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Speaker 9: one of the Giants defensive players on the oxygen and

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Speaker 9: Carrie's like, that's a real thing. Sure, So the Giants

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Speaker 9: defense didn't have anything left, so that allowed then Denver

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Speaker 9: with that, it was shocking on how it turned out.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you point out the altitude because the

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Speaker 1: one time we played in Colorado when I was at

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Speaker 1: Oklahoma State, we'd lost. We had a twenty point lead

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Speaker 1: a half, and you know, between the officiating and the

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Speaker 1: and the altitude, it got to us. I agree with Carrie.

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Speaker 1: That is an absolute real thing. And I'd be interested

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Speaker 1: to know when Brian Dable when they arrived in Denver,

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Speaker 1: if you're not used to it, your blood doesn't have

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Speaker 1: it gets worse than you get oxygen poisoning. So it

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Speaker 1: had all the check marks of a team that's gonna

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Speaker 1: lose a gigantic and seemingly insurmountable lead.

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Speaker 8: Right.

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Speaker 1: You have a young quarterback who also is aggressive to

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Speaker 1: have a coach who's won a Super Bowl before and

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Speaker 1: is like a professorio been doing it forever. All these

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Speaker 1: team that lost that had the big lead, that had

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Speaker 1: winning was the Denver Broncos. It was a perfect storm,

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Speaker 1: perfect storm. And then you have the two missed extra

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of different parts to it. In all

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Speaker 1: the things we had this weekend, you know, between Miami

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Speaker 1: Remember Green Bay was stuck on the tarmac in in

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Speaker 1: day before the game. There's all kinds of craziness that

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Speaker 1: between the Blue Jays. All of those things, and whether

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Speaker 1: whatever side you're on, that's all anybody can think about.

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Speaker 1: That's all anybody can remember. And this is like Christian

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Speaker 1: McCaffrey had a great night last night. Nobody cares. It's

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Speaker 1: because thirty three points in the fourth quarter, Jackson darts

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Speaker 1: aggressiveness and the reward for having young players, but then

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Speaker 1: the misses in the fourth quarter all of that makes

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Speaker 1: hit the story of the weekend.

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Speaker 9: I could give you a little insight as well, because

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Speaker 9: you have a game going on in Glendale, Arizona, where

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Speaker 9: the Cardinals make a questionable call on a fourth down

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Speaker 9: play with six minutes to go, give the ball back

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Speaker 9: to Green Bay. Matt Lafleur says, we're going to kick

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Speaker 9: a field goal. Now we'll go nonstead, We're going to

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Speaker 9: go for it on fourth down, down three with a

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Speaker 1: In the game.

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Speaker 9: They score, then Jacoby resets bringing his team down the field.

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Speaker 9: All of that overshadowed by the craziness of the Broncos game.

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Speaker 9: And it's funny because you hear the cuts and you

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Speaker 9: hear people asking the two missed extra points are absolute killers.

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Speaker 9: They change everything. But to sit there and absolve everybody

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Speaker 9: else of any wrongdoing, one one person just had to

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Speaker 9: make one more play, sure, And that's yeah, yeah, it's

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Speaker 9: the Giants were about to be in the playoff picture, yeah,

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Speaker 9: right at three and four that you would have they

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Speaker 9: been all the way to the right, that would have

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Speaker 9: been in the hunt. But they would have been in

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Speaker 9: been absurd.

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Speaker 1: forget to any that. We do. Want to offer this

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Speaker 4: A couple of things to that. Somebody on this show,

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: What did uh? What did you want? Manning side? If

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Speaker 4: it's if it's your fault, it's the team's fault. What's

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Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, yeah, that actually wasn't Can I get

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Speaker 9: Dan Buyer Goo, Yeah, because when Doug took the entire

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Speaker 9: So Ohio State didn't have much trouble with Wisconsin, But

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Speaker 10: This past weekend, sam Well, I had a great birthday weekend,

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Speaker 10: I did not pick this game for the Gambler because

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Speaker 10: the world tonight. You just watched they almost did, and

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Speaker 9: How many people do you think, in like in Russia,

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Speaker 10: There was so much talk from who's the former, she's

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Speaker 4: is surprising to me. Shocking the world is when UCLA

436
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Speaker 4: is a twenty six point dog and they went outright.

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Speaker 4: The Hawkeys are a three point favorite at home? Is it?

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Speaker 4: Don't you get three points for being at home?

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Speaker 1: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Where's the shock the world here? This was a coin flip.

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Speaker 1: It there's not, there's not, there's at Let's let's get

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Speaker 1: to yours there, Jason.

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Speaker 3: But could I just add one more thing now? He

444
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Speaker 3: said that?

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Speaker 10: Excuse me when he said that, Uh, it was it

446
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Speaker 10: just put a little chill don my because they played

447
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Speaker 10: so hard.

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Speaker 3: Penn State played song they did.

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Speaker 1: They did play, They did player, they did not quit,

450
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Speaker 1: saw each other.

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Speaker 10: It was a tough game. They really got all everything

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Speaker 10: thrown at Iowa. So carry on.

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Speaker 7: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Game four of the NLCS, I know people were torn.

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Speaker 4: People were like, man, I'd like to see the series

456
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Speaker 4: extended so we could watch more baseball. I think most

457
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Speaker 4: people shared my paranoia as a Dodger fan. Win tonight.

458
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Speaker 4: Don't give them any breathing room. We all remember Kyle

459
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Speaker 4: Schwarber's home run in the previous series that gave the

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Speaker 4: Phillies life. I did not want to repeat that in

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Speaker 4: Game four against Dan's Brewers. I hate that Dan had

462
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Speaker 4: to be the the uh, the receiver, the victim of

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Speaker 4: this sweep, but it needed to be. We needed to

464
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Speaker 4: put the Brewers in the rearview mirror and focus on

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Speaker 4: the next team, and boy did we do it in

466
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Speaker 4: spectacular fashion. A lot of people have overstated or tried

467
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Speaker 4: to overstate what Shoheo Tani did, but just in layman's terms,

468
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Speaker 4: if you're a casual baseball fan, you had a pitcher

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Speaker 4: in Ah, I guess the what do you call those games?

470
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Speaker 4: A finishing game, series, finishing.

471
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Speaker 1: Game, closeout game, clinching hit, throw.

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Speaker 4: Home runs after doing dog crap for the first couple

473
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Speaker 4: series of the postseason, three home runs, one of them

474
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Speaker 4: cleared the wall in the pavilion, which I've never seen

475
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Speaker 4: done in right field anyways. And then he was throwing

476
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Speaker 4: one hundred miles an hour and hired all five of

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Speaker 4: his pitches working, And to the layman, I don't know

478
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Speaker 4: if you understand that big league pitchers typically have two

479
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Speaker 4: really good pitches and then they'll throw in the third

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Speaker 4: or fourth pitch as just kind of a compliment. He

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Speaker 4: pitches effectively with five pitches. He throws one hundred miles

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Speaker 4: an hour. He struck out ten batters and six innings

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Speaker 4: while hitting three home runs through six innings of baseball.

484
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Speaker 4: His box score was three home runs and six innings

485
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Speaker 4: of pitched ball with ten strikeouts, no earned runs given up,

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Speaker 4: the greatest box score in the history of baseball. Sho

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Speaker 4: Helo Tani on Friday Night. I've heard other people attempt

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Speaker 4: to give things that are comparable. I've heard some real ramches.

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Speaker 4: In other words, if you bring something to the table

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Speaker 4: that I've never heard of in fifty years, that kind

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Speaker 4: of answers the question, like if you're like, yeah, babe,

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Speaker 4: Ruth he came in and closed out a game once,

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Speaker 4: and okay, did he hit three home runs in that

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Speaker 4: same game? I love so anyways, sho Halo Tani Friday Night,

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Speaker 4: one of the greatest experiences of ever had on my couch. Pause.

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Speaker 1: That's an old timer. I'm gonna throw in one more

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Speaker 1: love because we did text about this one. I don't.

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Speaker 1: I just look, I'm not. I've never been a Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson guy, just because I know guys in the NFL

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Speaker 1: that always thought he was a phony. But since the

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Speaker 1: talent has seemingly like evaporated, I just I didn't buy

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Speaker 1: in last year. I didn't buy it in Denver. I

503
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Speaker 1: didn't buy in this year. But man, you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about some shade. Denver scores thirty three in the

505
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Speaker 1: fourth quarter, comes from behind to beat the Giants, right,

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Speaker 1: And so they asked Sean Payton about the Giants where

507
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Speaker 1: he used to beat out fensive coordinator and about Jackson Dart.

508
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Speaker 1: Take a listen to this shade he throws at Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson at the end.

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Speaker 6: I have a ton of respect for that organization. I

511
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Speaker 6: spent four of my early years there coordinating Super Bowl

512
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Speaker 6: first time, first game in this stadium before nine to

513
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Speaker 6: eleven close with the marrit Tish family. You know, they

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Speaker 6: found a little spark with that quarterback. I was talking

515
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Speaker 6: to John Mayor not too long ago, and I said,

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Speaker 6: we were hoping that that change would have happened long

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Speaker 6: long after our game.

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Speaker 1: Damn, we wanted to face Russell Wilson because he's thinks.

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Speaker 4: He's thinks Wow, so much shade.

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Speaker 1: Oh so much. They hate each other so much. All right,

521
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Speaker 1: let's get to hate. Uh, that's what we love. Let's

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Speaker 1: get to what we hate. In the weekend, our resident

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Speaker 1: hater is none of the Jason Stewart, how about it.

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Speaker 4: I think there's like this, there's this perception that the

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Speaker 4: Chargers are all beat up and their offensive line are

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Speaker 4: down to their third stringers, and we've kind of lost

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Speaker 4: hope for or probably the postseason this year. I would

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Speaker 4: take it a step further, like just watching the game

529
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Speaker 4: yesterday and that was a real hate watch for me.

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Speaker 4: I could say that we should probably not play Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 4: This is my thinking. He's gonna get killed on a

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Speaker 4: football field. I don't know how many pressures you could take.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how many times you could get hit

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Speaker 4: without that one hit that really injures you. I know

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Speaker 4: that Herbert. I think he gets credit for being the

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Speaker 4: guy that could take a hit, but not you know,

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Speaker 4: no one's completely unsusceptible to that one breaker. It's getting dangerous.

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Speaker 4: I bring in our backup for the time being. It

539
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 4: was a backup that was taken I think second overall

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Speaker 4: in the in the draft at one point. Maybe it

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Speaker 4: would be kind of fun to throw him out there

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Speaker 4: and see how he could do until we get our

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Speaker 4: guys back. It's really scary watching Justin Herbert take snaps

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Speaker 4: with that offensive line.

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Speaker 9: Damn Yeah, just off the heels of that, and maybe

546
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Speaker 9: we dive into it at some point later this week,

547
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 9: something interesting happened. I don't know if it's because Jason

548
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Speaker 9: and I went to that Bills game a couple of

549
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Speaker 9: weeks ago, but I feel like I'm a little more

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Speaker 9: in tune and hearing more of this Bills chatter. And

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Speaker 9: after the Bills lost this past weekend of the Falcons,

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Speaker 9: I read a tweet someone was complaining saying, like the

553
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Speaker 9: window like the it is time to start complaining about

554
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Speaker 9: not taking care of your star quarterback. And the Chargers,

555
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Speaker 9: understandably so have injuries. I almost feel like they've done

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Speaker 9: a better job of taking care of their quarterback than

557
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Speaker 9: Buffalo has had. But at what point do you start

558
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Speaker 9: looking at failures of not supporting your quarterback And it's

559
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Speaker 9: happening in Buffalo, and just wonder when that time comes

560
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Speaker 9: for the Chargers, because I think I still think there's

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Speaker 9: a different conversation about the Chargers with Justin Herbert and

562
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Speaker 9: what they have around him, and those injuries cloud that up. Anyway,

563
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 9: mind stays in the NFL will make it quick. The

564
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Speaker 9: Cardinals decided to go for it on fourth down up

565
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Speaker 9: twenty three to twenty on the Packers yesterday was six

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Speaker 9: minutes to go and they run a Jacoby Brissette sneak

567
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Speaker 9: up the middle at their own forty eight yard line.

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Speaker 9: Don't get it. It allows green Bay to have a

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Speaker 9: game winning drive. Now, the Packers made plays on their

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Speaker 9: drive a fourth and two that they converted, didn't settle

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Speaker 9: for a field goal. But if Jonathan Gannon is going

572
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Speaker 9: to slap Amari de Marcado because of his bad decision

573
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Speaker 9: on the touchdown, then maybe Jonathan Gannon should have something

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Speaker 9: happened to him because he, yes, he made an awful

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Speaker 9: decision to go for it up three yesterday against Green

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Speaker 9: Bay and likely cost his Cardinals the game.

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Speaker 1: Sam okay, I think Sam maybe worth in here.

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Speaker 3: I'm here.

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Speaker 10: I'm here so again, like I said, my love portion

580
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 10: not a lot to complain about on your birthday weekend.

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Speaker 3: A lot of love, I will say, though.

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Speaker 10: Florida firing Billy Napier after they win a game and

583
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Speaker 10: it wasn't like they climbed back to beat Mississippi State.

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Speaker 3: Who's you know right now? A cellar dweller in the SEC.

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Speaker 10: They had a twenty to seven lead and they held

586
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Speaker 10: on to win like twenty three to twenty one, but

587
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Speaker 10: firing a coach after a win. And I know they've

588
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 10: been struggling, but firing coach after a win. And so

589
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,719
Speaker 10: it's like all these midweek, mid year firings for these

590
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Speaker 10: coaches are sort of like raising my blood pressure. And

591
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Speaker 10: then I saw that Napier was fired after a win.

592
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Speaker 10: I was just like, why this is why?

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Speaker 9: You know, we did a game time of college programs

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Speaker 9: that we, you know, kind of like to see do better. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: Florida will never be on that list. Like I I'm

596
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Speaker 9: glad that Florida is mid to mediocre to maybe bad.

597
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Speaker 9: Like I don't. I don't need to see Florida good.

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Speaker 9: We had too much Florida at one time with football

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Speaker 9: and basketball. I don't ever need to see the Gators

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Speaker 9: good again at anything.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I got something I hate. Uh. I heard

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton say this. Oh I'm sorry about this. So

603
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Speaker 1: Cam Newton on a podcast was asked if he would

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Speaker 1: rather have team success or personal success. Okay, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to his answer.

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Speaker 11: Would you rather being a spot where you can individually achieve,

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Speaker 11: have success, have statistics and lose or would you want

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Speaker 11: to be someone that contributes to a team that can

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Speaker 11: win a.

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Speaker 12: Super Bowl, And I'm glad you asked that. When you're

611
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Speaker 12: talking about individual play, this is how I this is

612
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Speaker 12: how I take care of my family. Team success don't

613
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Speaker 12: take care.

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Speaker 1: Of my family.

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Speaker 12: So if I'm thinking about it from a personal standpoint,

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Speaker 12: of course, we want the best.

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Speaker 1: Of both worlds.

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Speaker 8: But if you're asking me, what gives you extensions, what

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Speaker 8: gives you top tier money, what gives you certain things,

620
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Speaker 8: there are some more players that have rings, championships and

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Speaker 8: things that.

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Speaker 12: Are struggling rather than soo quote unquote bus that has

623
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Speaker 12: had money and they're doing right by their money.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, feel free to point out to who those people are.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Cam Newton is who he is because

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Speaker 1: he won a national championship in college. He won a

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy because he won a national championship in college. Right,

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Speaker 1: and look again, Cam is being authentic to himself. I'm

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Speaker 1: not accusing of inauthenticity. I just witch this is love

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Speaker 1: and hate. I just hate this. I hated the fact

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Speaker 1: that they're down six points in the Super Bowl to

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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos, who have no offense because Peyton Manning

633
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Speaker 1: is washed done balls on the field, and he does

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Speaker 1: not dive on it. He was asked afterwards and he said, man,

635
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Speaker 1: I gotta watch out my legs. Then he goes home

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Speaker 1: to Carolina and he doubles down on it. He's never

637
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: been about team Cam is about Cam Newton, which, by

638
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 1: the way, is so funny because he basically used his

639
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: podcast his platform to guilt ESPN into putting them on

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Speaker 1: TV like, oh, they're racists. They don't like the way

641
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Speaker 1: I talk, they don't like the way I dress, I

642
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: don't get a shot. No, we don't like it because

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00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: you were selfish, you were never accurate, didn't evolve as

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00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 1: a passor you didn't even understand who you were, super talented,

645
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: huge egomaniac. And I just hate that he puts it

646
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Speaker 1: out there so that there is going to be a

647
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Speaker 1: portion of young, up and coming athletes who emulate that.

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Speaker 1: That's not how you get paid. That's actually the opposite.

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Speaker 1: People pay more for winners than they do for stat accumulators.

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Speaker 1: And if we want to do what we can do

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Speaker 1: a podcast, do a study on it. I know it

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Speaker 1: to be true. That's love and hate.

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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 1: It's our chance to catch up with a good friend

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Speaker 1: and a great friend of the program as well. He's

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Speaker 1: time to LESCo, former general manager of the La Chargers

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Speaker 1: for eleven years and of course last year the Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas Raiders, and he joins us here on The Doug

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Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show. Let's actually start with the Broncos comeback or

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Speaker 1: the Giants collapse. And again, I don't know your level

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Speaker 1: of PTSD. It's different because yours was the playoffs, but

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Speaker 1: you know, obviously what happened in Jacksonville a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago in many ways has to has to I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it feels like when what's your what's

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Speaker 1: it feel like to watch that happen to the Giants?

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Speaker 7: Number one, it's it feels awful, especially if you're a

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Speaker 7: GM or coach or player that's been in that situation before.

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Speaker 7: Because the Giants is such a great job billing the

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Speaker 7: lead in the first three quarters, played really well on

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Speaker 7: both sides of the ball, and the Broncos the last

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Speaker 7: couple of weeks in the fourth quarter. They've actually had

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Speaker 7: some issues just with with situational football, and it was

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Speaker 7: the complete opposite yesterday. I mean, Sean Payton did a

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Speaker 7: great job with that part of the game plan. He

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Speaker 7: knew in the fourth quarter we only have so many

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Speaker 7: possessions left. But obviously anytime there's that big of a comeback,

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Speaker 7: it really it goes both ways. Broncos have to make

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Speaker 7: a lot of players on offense and then defensively with

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Speaker 7: the Giants, there's going to have to be some breakdowns

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Speaker 7: that are going to happen, and that's what That's what

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Speaker 7: happened yesterday. To me, the Giants defense that was supposed

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Speaker 7: to be one of the strengths of their team and

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Speaker 7: that just has not played out the way I had anticipated.

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Speaker 7: The good news if you're a Giants fan is this

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Speaker 7: is Jackson Dark and camp Scandabo kind of doing this

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Speaker 7: on their own. They don't have a lot on offense.

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Speaker 7: The defensive line has really been shaky the last couple

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Speaker 7: of years. Obviously the league neighbors is out, but when

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Speaker 7: it came to the fourth quarter, once bo Nicks got going,

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Speaker 7: they started using him much more as a runner. He's

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Speaker 7: a very athletic runner and he's strong and it has

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Speaker 7: good side, but there also has to be some breakdowns

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Speaker 7: on defense. That happened too. But there's just no worse feeling,

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Speaker 7: especially if you're the away team and you can feel

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Speaker 7: that crowd started to come on, the momentum starts building,

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Speaker 7: and you get that feeling sometimes, especially where the Giants

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Speaker 7: have been because they don't have a great record, that

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Speaker 7: something bad is going to happen to us. And it did.

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Speaker 7: It happened in the fourth quarter. Jackson Dart played a

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Speaker 7: great game through a bad pick. It's going to happen,

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Speaker 7: but it's just a total breakdown really on the defensive

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Speaker 7: side of the ball for that to happen.

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Speaker 1: Let's go with Jackson Dart real quick now that you've

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Speaker 1: seen him, and again we know it takes like a year, right.

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Speaker 1: You got to see how they adjust to you, and

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Speaker 1: can your quarterback adjust to the to the adjustment and

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Speaker 1: how they handle the ups, how they handles it down.

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Speaker 1: But so far, how sustainable do you think his level

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Speaker 1: of success is considering his talent and aptitude.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's certainly sustainable. He just has to learn and

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Speaker 7: he'll continue to learn how to protect himself because the

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Speaker 7: style of play is it's aggressive and which you know

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Speaker 7: as part of being a leader is to put people

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Speaker 7: on your back and say, look, I'm gonna take this over,

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Speaker 7: which he does from time to time. But he can

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Speaker 7: put himself in some tough situations. But look, he can play.

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Speaker 7: There is no doubt in my mind. The Broncos have

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Speaker 7: one of the best defenses in the league. He puts

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Speaker 7: up thirty two on the Broncos. Eagles have a very

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Speaker 7: good defense. He puts up thirty four on the Eagles,

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Speaker 7: and he's doing this without a lot around him yet.

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Speaker 7: I mean, THEO Johnson is a really good tight end.

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Speaker 7: He's not a big name. He's a good player for them,

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Speaker 7: but they don't have a lot of receiver. They has

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Speaker 7: Scati Boat, which is a great tone setter for them.

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Speaker 7: As a running back offensive Linetill needs a lot of work.

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Speaker 7: So he's doing this without a lot around him. So

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Speaker 7: I think it's a positive. I think he's a dynamic

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Speaker 7: player and he's going to get nothing from better moving forward.

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Speaker 1: What's your reaction to Indy.

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Speaker 7: They're better than I anticipated. You really look at it,

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Speaker 7: because now we have a really good sample side what

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Speaker 7: they are. First of all that's Shane Stike and Daniel

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Speaker 7: Jones were a perfect match for each other. They just

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Speaker 7: they're both passionate guys about the quarterback position and all

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Speaker 7: those details and nuances that go into it, and that

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Speaker 7: has to be a relationship. That's a twenty four to

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Speaker 7: seven relationship between usually your coordinator and the quarterback. In

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Speaker 7: this instance it's the head coach. So it's a great

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Speaker 7: match with those two. And look at how they play it.

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Speaker 7: I don't like to compare prior teams where that coach

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Speaker 7: came from and try, hey, we're going to do the

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Speaker 7: offense the same way. And I know Shane came from Philly,

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Speaker 7: but there are a lot of similarities with what he's

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Speaker 7: doing with the Colts. Jonathan Taylor is he's basically say

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Speaker 7: Von Barkley, very similar in style, size, speed, dynamic play,

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Speaker 7: making a space can catch the ball. They have a

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Speaker 7: tight end and Tyler Warren and the Eagles have always

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Speaker 7: had a tight ends that can run a catch. The

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Speaker 7: Colt's offensive line is excellent, you know, probably not quite

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Speaker 7: as good as the peak Eagle offensive line, but pretty close.

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Speaker 7: They have a very athletic center and Taylor Bordolini was

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Speaker 7: a really good player. And the offensive line hasn't got

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Speaker 7: enough credit for what you're doing as far as protecting

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Speaker 7: the quarterback. They're running the ball well. Pittman and Alex

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Speaker 7: Pearce can make plays on the outside. So the biggest

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Speaker 7: thing is Daniel Jones. He's limiting his sacks, he's limiting fumbles,

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Speaker 7: he's limiting interceptions, and that had been the issue for him,

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Speaker 7: especially later with the Giants, but actually going all the

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Speaker 7: way all the way back to college as far as

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Speaker 7: making the key big airs, and he's not. He's playing

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Speaker 7: very efficient football, kind of the way Jalen Hurts does

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Speaker 7: when he's playing well, he's not turning it over. He

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Speaker 7: can make plays here or there, and the offense is

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Speaker 7: doing outstanding.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of Tom telasco former general manager of the La Chargers,

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Speaker 1: who's joining us. Let's go back to Thursday, because we

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Speaker 1: hadn't we You and I haven't talked on air. We

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Speaker 1: actually haven't talked off air about it as well. You

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Speaker 1: know that was a stunnard to me because of how

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Speaker 1: much time Joe Flacco had to throw the football right,

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Speaker 1: Like the Pittsburgh defense didn't stop the run and didn't

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Speaker 1: really get to Joe Flacco. What's going on with that

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Speaker 1: with the front seven?

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Speaker 7: Hard to say because that's the strength of the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 7: team and it's been the strength of the team for

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Speaker 7: god knows how long, and it's supposed to be the

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Speaker 7: strength as getting to the quarterback. Andy's offensive line has

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Speaker 7: struggled this year, but we didn't see that Thursday night.

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Speaker 7: I mean, Joe was basically untouched for most of the game,

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Speaker 7: played really clean game, high percentage passer, made some big

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Speaker 7: plays down the field. I think it helps. Like you

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Speaker 7: talk about team with weapons, and they've got Jamar Chase

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Speaker 7: and Key Higgins. Now Easthu Vats from from Princeton who's a,

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Speaker 7: you know, not a big name player, but but a

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Speaker 7: really good receiver for them in that third third role.

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Speaker 7: And Chase Brown was a player that I felt like

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Speaker 7: he could have a big year as a runner. He's

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Speaker 7: got outstanding speed and it helped with them getting the

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Speaker 7: lead a little bit on for me to have a

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Speaker 7: chance to run the ball better. But it is a

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Speaker 7: stunner that Pittsburgh just didn't get to the quarterback the

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Speaker 7: way they usually do. And that's that's the strength of

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Speaker 7: their team. That would be the way to shut down

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Speaker 7: Cincinnati is to get to Joe Flacko because you know

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Speaker 7: where he's going to be at all time. And it

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Speaker 7: just didn't play out that way. But it was, uh,

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Speaker 7: it was fun to watch Joe sit back there and

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Speaker 7: really just use the weapons that he has and you know,

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Speaker 7: not try and do too much. But it was really

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Speaker 7: you know, it was a fun game to watch.

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Speaker 1: And listen, you're not a hyperbolegue guy, but you've you know,

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Speaker 1: your time with the Chargers, you've seen the best of

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Speaker 1: the best. You go back to your time with with

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Speaker 1: the Colts when you guys had Marvin Harrison, so you've

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Speaker 1: seen Jamar am I crazy saying like, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is he's the best wide receiver going and

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Speaker 1: I think you have to start having legit conversations about

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Speaker 1: the actual top of the heap. Mike, Mike going crazy

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Speaker 1: about a guy who's performing well but a shortened career

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Speaker 1: and compared to to it to a Jerry Rice. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like he's the best player on the field

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Speaker 1: and everybody knows it, and there's not a ton you

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Speaker 1: can do about it and if you put three on him, well,

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Speaker 1: that's how they open it up for T Higgins, for

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Speaker 1: a guy who's historically been around this league, what do

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Speaker 1: you see when you see Jamar.

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Speaker 7: Chase, Well, it's the same thing you're seeing. You see

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Speaker 7: all those traits as a receiver. He has pretty good size.

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Speaker 7: His athletic ability and quickness and body control and explosiveness

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Speaker 7: is so high level. And then he add into straight

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Speaker 7: line speed, which he has as well, so he has

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Speaker 7: all the physical attributes you need to have. And then

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Speaker 7: he has that one thing you can't teach, which is

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Speaker 7: just the instincts to play the position, the instincts of

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Speaker 7: the field to get open, and then the instincts and

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Speaker 7: the balls in the air to be able to adjust

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Speaker 7: in the timing of it in the finished catches. And

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Speaker 7: that's a game where we knew where the ball was

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Speaker 7: going still, even on the half t Higgins to throw to.

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Speaker 7: Jamar Chase had over twenty targets in the game, so

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Speaker 7: Pittsburgh knows where the ball's going. They have some pretty

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Speaker 7: good coo. But Joey Porter is a is He's a

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Speaker 7: big corner with long arms, but he follows a lot

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Speaker 7: and and Jamar Chase is a tough receiver to play

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Speaker 7: unless you're gonna, you know, brack them every down. But

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Speaker 7: you really can't do that with the other weapons that

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Speaker 7: that that the Benkals have. But when you look at

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Speaker 7: just pure talent level, yeah, he's gonna if he keeps

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Speaker 7: on this pace, you know, he's gonna be up with

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Speaker 7: those top receivers.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's he's a phenomenal, phenomenal for all player.

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Speaker 1: Tom Telesco is our guest here on the Doug Gottlieb

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Speaker 1: Show on Fox Sports Radio. My thing on Justin Fields

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Speaker 1: was how many teams have to tell you he's not

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Speaker 1: not good enough? Now, he didn't injury his ankle, but

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Speaker 1: it's like, what, what what's your feeling? You've made highers before, right,

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Speaker 1: at what point do you go it's the coach? At

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Speaker 1: what point do you go, We're not giving the coach

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Speaker 1: a fairy shot because the quarterback, what's the read seven

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Speaker 1: games in on a winless season with the Jets.

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Speaker 7: Well you touched on a little bit there with just

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Speaker 7: the Fields and then his other stops, and there's enough

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Speaker 7: talent on this offense that the results should be better

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Speaker 7: than what they are. They have Garrett Wilson, they have

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Speaker 7: bres Hall. Mason Taylor was a second round draft pick,

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Speaker 7: a tight end who's really talented. They've got two number

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Speaker 7: one takes at full tackle spots. So when Justin Field

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Speaker 7: comes in, I mean you're paying them twenty million dollars

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Speaker 7: a year to come in and be the starter without

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Speaker 7: a lot of competition from either another free agent or

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00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 7: maybe a draft pick, and basically a prior body of work.

867
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 7: He hasn't been a consistent starter yet in his last

868
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 7: two stops, so he's in his fifth year. He still

869
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 7: needs development. And there's a lot of things I like

870
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 7: about him. He's a dynamic athlete, he has a strong arm,

871
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,920
Speaker 7: He's got great leadership skills. But and this is a

872
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 7: big butt his ability to process in the pocket, make

873
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 7: decisive throws and decisions, anticipate and wins in the pocket.

874
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 7: It has to come to fruition in five years with

875
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:52,879
Speaker 7: two different teams. So if you have a first time

876
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 7: head coach with a defensive background at first time coordinator,

877
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,240
Speaker 7: the problem is is, you know, can we develop this better?

878
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:02,879
Speaker 7: Because the Bears steel the coaches couldn't. So you bring

879
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 7: him in and Tyro Taylor and they signed a more

880
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 7: to be the backup to Justin fields, where I think

881
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 7: they probably had to bring in somebody else to compete

882
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 7: with Justin because you just hadn't shown that body at

883
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:15,600
Speaker 7: work yet. You hired a head coach, you put all

884
00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 7: this work into it. You have to get in time.

885
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 7: He does have some resources there already. I think Joe

886
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 7: Douglas left him some pretty good players, but it's been

887
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 7: a quarterback position right now. That's just killing them. And

888
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 7: they can't move the football and they can't score.

889
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: No, no, it's it's it's it's bad. This is the

890
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports. Rader Tom Telesco

891
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: is our guest. When Brian Schottenneimer was hired, it was

892
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:46,320
Speaker 1: wild widely panned and they're not great, but man, I Tommy,

893
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 1: I got to give Jerry Jones credit. His whole thing was,

894
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: Dak likes this offense, Dak likes Brian Schottenneimer, and Dak's

895
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: my best player, and if Dak's happy, we're going to

896
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: be pretty good. The defense isn't great, right, it's not

897
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: even maybe even good, but they're fun to watch, and

898
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,840
Speaker 1: Dak is having an incredible season like this feels like

899
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: one where some people need to tell Jerry Jones he

900
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: got it right.

901
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 7: Look, historically, they've drafted pretty well there, they've done well

902
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,439
Speaker 7: in freegency where they were dabbling freeency. They don't really

903
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,080
Speaker 7: go after, you know, big price players, so they're very

904
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 7: patient in that regard. I've always respected how how they've

905
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 7: built their team because it is mostly through the draft.

906
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 7: They both try and you know, draft, develop and re

907
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 7: sign and you know, like this year this offseason, like

908
00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 7: they signed Javonte Williams and running back, not a big,

909
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 7: big money back, but they saw the skills they had

910
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:44,800
Speaker 7: in college, They saw the skills they had with the

911
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 7: Broncos street knee injury. They took a chance on him

912
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 7: and he's having outstanding year. He's running very similar the

913
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,399
Speaker 7: way he did North Carolina as far as he gets

914
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 7: a ton of yards after contact, and he had over

915
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 7: one hundred yards yesterday. Dak Prescott has always been a

916
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,360
Speaker 7: very talented, efficient quarterback when he's healthy, and he's completely healthy.

917
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 7: Right now. You got Cde Lamb back, They've got George Pickens.

918
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 7: Jake Ferguson was an excellent draft pick at tight end.

919
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 7: They have a lot of pieces on offense. They have

920
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 7: Cavante Turpin, who's who's a nice just as pure speed

921
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 7: get down the field and even you know stretch people

922
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 7: even laterally with them and their round So they have

923
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:19,360
Speaker 7: a lot of pieces there and now it's just about

924
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 7: can we get enough stops on defense and that that's

925
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 7: that's been the issue early in the year. They got

926
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 7: enough yesterday against the Commanders, so you hope you can

927
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 7: keep building on that defense moving forward because I think,

928
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 7: and I think most people have said this even from

929
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 7: week one, the Cowboys are going to score. They were

930
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 7: even scoring when C. D. Lamb was out, so they're

931
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 7: going to move the ball. They're going to score. Great

932
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 7: credit to Brian Schottenheimer with what he's doing with the offense.

933
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,320
Speaker 7: Just got to figure a way to get some more stops.

934
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 7: But you know they're at three to three and one

935
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:45,920
Speaker 7: right now and moving forward.

936
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: How do you explain Trevor Lawrence's career.

937
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 7: It's just been so inconsistent. There's so much physical talent

938
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 7: there as a passer, as an athlete, as a runner,

939
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 7: it's just been so up and down, and it's been

940
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:05,920
Speaker 7: a lot of it's just been those those key big airs,

941
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 7: that interception at the wrong time, the strip fumble at

942
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,800
Speaker 7: the wrong time, but don't forget. And I know nobody

943
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 7: wants to hear about patience, but it is a new

944
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,319
Speaker 7: head coach, it's a new offensive Liam Cohen. Things do

945
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 7: take some time. So they did some good things earlier

946
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 7: in the year, but it's going to take some time

947
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 7: as we moved through this with with the new head coach,

948
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:31,359
Speaker 7: slash coordinator and quarterback. There's talent there. He just got

949
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 7: to keep working together on it. But yeah, it's just

950
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 7: been I don't want to say disappointing, because that's not

951
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 7: that's not they're quite the right word. But it's just

952
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 7: been so inconsistent because the highs have been really high

953
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 7: and the lows have been really low, and so somehow

954
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 7: trying to even those out.

955
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,440
Speaker 1: You famously drafted Justin Herbert. Of course you didn't have that.

956
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 1: You didn't have a choice there where you could draft

957
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: draft Tua, who went right before you drafted Justin Herbert.

958
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:00,320
Speaker 1: But when you watch where their careers are going to

959
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:05,320
Speaker 1: obviously massive struggle yesterday against Cleveland, and you know Herbert

960
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:09,240
Speaker 1: didn't have his best day, but he's he's widely regarded

961
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: as at least a top ten quarterback. Now kind of

962
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 1: looking back, what's your reaction to the disparities, And look,

963
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: you couldn't plan on to his injuries, but he was

964
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,359
Speaker 1: injured a lot in college. Like one of the things

965
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: that people missed on him wasn't just a hip Like

966
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: he got hurt every year in college and usually got

967
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:29,120
Speaker 1: hurt when he was trying to run away from people

968
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: and they caught him. They catch in college, they're going

969
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,440
Speaker 1: to catch you in the pro. But what do you

970
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,280
Speaker 1: think now, you know six years later, six seasons later,

971
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,320
Speaker 1: where Herbert is the top ten guy and Tua is

972
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: gonna be struggling to hold onto his job.

973
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've talked about this before that in college in

974
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,680
Speaker 7: the draft process. Yes, his durability and injury history, that

975
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 7: was a pretty big deal. The hip injury was a

976
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 7: significant injury that you know, we didn't know one hundred

977
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,200
Speaker 7: percent that it would come back to one hundred percent.

978
00:51:58,280 --> 00:52:00,440
Speaker 7: Now it did, which is great, But had a lot

979
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,479
Speaker 7: of other injuries and a lot of us Like you said,

980
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 7: like he's a by NFL standard, he's probably an average athlete.

981
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 7: And when you're gonna you know, try and escape and move,

982
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,719
Speaker 7: I mean the athletes have the speed at this lever

983
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 7: are so much faster, you get caught, you can get hurt,

984
00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 7: so and we've seen that now his player right now,

985
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 7: like you're watching yesterday, it's just like a total lack

986
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 7: of confidence. Right now. We've seen him play at a

987
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 7: higher level, and we've seen him play a higher level

988
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 7: in that offense, but right now, it just seems like

989
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 7: it's just a it's a snowball running downhill and it's

990
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,760
Speaker 7: just turning and turning, turning and get big, bigger and bigger.

991
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 7: But with you know what justin what you're looking at

992
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,080
Speaker 7: is and he saw this yesterday with a couple of

993
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 7: the plays. He's such a big, fast and physical player

994
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 7: that even when there's pressure on him he has the

995
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 7: speed to get out of the pocket and go pick

996
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 7: up a chunky yards or he can take his left

997
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 7: armor and just stiff armor deep defensive lineman to the

998
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 7: ground to give us some extra time to make a throw.

999
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 7: And you know, if you're going to play this position

1000
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 7: over the long term, and if you're drafting a quarterback,

1001
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 7: you're hoping for ten plus years your franchise quarterback, if

1002
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 7: you hit on it, you're not going to have a

1003
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 7: perfect offensive line every year. You're not gonna have a

1004
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 7: perfect offense every year, so you're gonna have to make

1005
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 7: a lot of plays on your own. And then yesterday

1006
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 7: watching Tua throw the ball in Cleveland where it's wet

1007
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 7: and it's windy too, it just doesn't have that elite

1008
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 7: arm strength to pierce the ball through the winds of

1009
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 7: coming off Lake Erie. And I think justin in that

1010
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 7: situation a little bit bigger arm, just the way, same

1011
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,240
Speaker 7: way Jim Kelly had an arm perfectly for playing in Buffalo,

1012
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 7: New York. Big strong can throw the ball through the winds.

1013
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 7: So to yesterday, it's a tough situation for him. He's

1014
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:39,520
Speaker 7: a rhythm passer, he's accurate, arbustrength is kind of average

1015
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,879
Speaker 7: and it hurts you're playing the element. So but yeah,

1016
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 7: there are two different styles of quarterbacks. But I do

1017
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:48,160
Speaker 7: think to if you get back in the right situation,

1018
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 7: can be productive in this league right now, just team wise,

1019
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 7: it just seems like team wise, it's the confidence that's

1020
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 7: just really dying.

1021
00:53:54,320 --> 00:53:56,879
Speaker 1: It's a mess. It's a mess. Tell me the best man,

1022
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: love having me on. Talk to you next week, Thanks

1023
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:00,359
Speaker 1: for our guest, and talk to about radio

1024
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Speaker 7: Funs great Doug, thank you,