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Speaker 1: This is what happens when the fourth Turning meets fifth

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Speaker 1: generation warfare.

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Speaker 2: A commentator, international social media sensation and former Navy intelligence veteran, This.

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Speaker 1: Is Human Events with your host Jack Posovic christ Is King.

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Speaker 2: Sunday's vote was the first clear sign that a bipartisan

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Speaker 2: The site had voted sixty to forty to back a

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Speaker 2: revamp the GOP funding bill that would keep the government

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Speaker 2: open until the end of January. Eight Democrats joined Republicans

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Speaker 2: to pass the bill, including Senate Minority Whip Dick Durbin,

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Speaker 2: Senators Tim Kaine, Catherine Cortes Mastow, and Jackie Rosen, among others.

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Speaker 3: Overnight, the aviation industry facing its worst day of cancelations

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Speaker 3: since the shutdown began.

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Speaker 4: I was coming from Tampa and that flight day delay, delay, delayed,

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Speaker 4: then it was canceled.

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Speaker 3: Almost eight percent of flights canceled as of Sunday night.

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Speaker 5: You backlash as the Trump administration moves forward with the

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Speaker 5: plan to introduce fifty year mortgages over the weekend, Trumps

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Speaker 5: sharing this image comparing the proposal to the thirty year

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Speaker 5: mortgage policies championed by FDR nearly a century ago. The

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Speaker 5: move could potentially kickstart the now stagnant real estate market.

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Speaker 6: Sob job and you didn't want to you said.

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Speaker 4: Last night, didn't want a tool about full abidity.

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Speaker 7: I talked about it.

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Speaker 6: When when did I not want to talk about it?

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Speaker 6: I talk about it all the time. We are much

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Speaker 6: better than Biden and all of them. Now, just so

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Speaker 6: you understand, do you remember that the Biden administration had

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Speaker 6: the highest inflation in forty eight years? But most people say,

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Speaker 7: Right? Do you remember it?

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Speaker 6: Did they have the highest inflation of forty eight years?

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Speaker 6: Did they just answer me the question?

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Speaker 1: You know the answer.

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Speaker 7: The answer is yes.

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Speaker 8: And a social media post, President Trump says people who

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Speaker 8: don't support tariffs are quote fools. Trump goes the US

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Speaker 8: paying down thirty cent trillion dollars in debt. He also

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Speaker 4: For two hundred and fifty years, Marines have celebrated their

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Speaker 1: Well, ladies and gentlemen, welcome a board today's edition of

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Speaker 1: Human Events Daily, Live in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. I am here

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Speaker 1: in Philadelphia, right where I grew up on November tenth,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, Anno Domini. And why are we here today?

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Speaker 1: Because I'm not the only one from the Philadelphia area.

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Speaker 1: Because today is the two hundred and fiftieth birthday of

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Speaker 1: Now we're down here at Penn's Landing, And if you

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Speaker 1: to take it seriously because there is nothing more serious

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Speaker 1: Were right back, Jack Posoak Live Philadelphia, Pennspan and in

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Speaker 9: And Jack, you set it up, so I just got

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Speaker 9: in the Cold War.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly right. And so we look at the

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Speaker 1: history of these things and it should give us pause.

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Speaker 1: I just always think that if you understand the history

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Speaker 1: of warfare in the United States, especially in the post

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Speaker 1: World War two era, it should always give us pause

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Speaker 1: when we question about whether or not we should get

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Speaker 1: involved and yet another armed conflict, and especially putting boots

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Speaker 1: on the ground, because you look at the history of career,

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Speaker 1: look at the history of Vietnam, and you have to

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Speaker 1: now the history of Iraq and Afghanistan, and you have

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Speaker 1: to wonder, Okay, did this make sense? Was the juice

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Speaker 1: worth the squeeze? Was it worth it for all those

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Speaker 1: seven single spaced pages of Kias and Vietnam to hand

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Speaker 1: the Soviets a support base there in Southeast Asia? I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure. And you talk to a lot of the

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Speaker 1: guys who came out and they said, well, we could

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Speaker 1: have won this thing, but we were told to pull back,

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Speaker 1: and we were asked about rules of engagement, and it

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Speaker 1: has nothing you do with the valor and the bravery

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Speaker 1: and the courage of the men who fought, has to

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Speaker 1: do with the political decisions made both before, during, and

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Speaker 1: after the conflicts. And that is always where the problem

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Speaker 1: seems to be. But I'll tell you what, Dan, when

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Speaker 1: I go and I meet with the veterans or even

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Speaker 1: the current service members, I don't think the problem is

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Speaker 1: with the United States Marines.

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Speaker 9: No, absolutely not. And it is still a fantastic group

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Speaker 9: of war fighters and they carry the spirit of the

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Speaker 9: Marines you're with right now in Vietnam. That same spirit

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Speaker 9: that motivated Marines in World War two, Korea and Vietnam

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Speaker 9: is still within every marine currently serving in the United

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Speaker 9: States Marine Corps. And you know, there's a lot of

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Speaker 9: this talk about, oh, the Marines of today are softer,

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Speaker 9: and you know that that that stuff's been going on

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Speaker 9: since the founding of the Marine Corps. You know, the

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Speaker 9: Marines that that we're fighting uh in in you know,

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Speaker 9: World War UH two, they're probably their salt dog. World

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Speaker 9: War One veterans are probably saying the same thing. It

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Speaker 9: goes back generations. But let me tell you, you have

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Speaker 9: an incredible Marine Corps that's able to do incredible things,

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Speaker 9: and their training is superb and they're motivated and on

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Speaker 9: top of that, they're innovative. That's that's an important part

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Speaker 9: of the Marine Corps history is that this.

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Speaker 1: Is the branche. Dan, We're we're out of time because uh,

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Speaker 1: I got to cut you off because the General is

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Speaker 1: coming up next, Dan Caldwell, go give them follow at

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Speaker 1: Dan colbell.

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Speaker 7: Is Jack, where's Jack?

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Speaker 1: Where is it?

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Speaker 3: Jack? I want to see you.

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Speaker 6: Great job, Jack, Thank you, what a job you do.

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Speaker 6: You know, we have an incredible thing.

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Speaker 7: We're always talking about.

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Speaker 6: The fake news and demand, but we have guys and

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Speaker 6: these are the guys are for getting pulishes.

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Speaker 1: true honor to be on here today. This special guest

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Speaker 1: that we have this is Lieutenant General Paul K. Van Riper.

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Speaker 1: He was the commanding officer of my company during nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty eight to nineteen sixty nine, a student of Naval

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Speaker 1: War College up at Newport, Rhode Island, and then later

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Speaker 1: assumed command the second Italian seven Marine Regiment before manning

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Speaker 1: the fourth Marines. The tent. Well, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining us today.

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Speaker 7: Good to be here.

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Speaker 1: Reflect with me if you can. What is it when

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Speaker 1: when you were when you got to Vietnam in and

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Speaker 1: then it was was was your first time in theater

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight? Was that when you first arrived? No,

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Speaker 1: that was my second tour, your second tour.

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Speaker 11: In my first tour, I was an advisor with the

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Speaker 11: Vietnamese Marine Corps. Was wounded after about four months and evacuated.

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Speaker 11: So this was my second tour.

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Speaker 1: So this is your second tour. How did you say? Okay,

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Speaker 1: I see it here? So sixty five was your first tour,

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Speaker 1: and then and then sixty eight and I'm reading this

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Speaker 1: by the way. You you were wounded while attacking an

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Speaker 1: NVA machine gun in a rice patty outside of Saigon.

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Speaker 11: Vietnamese unit I was with was the third battalion. They

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Speaker 11: were going after a base camp of the viet Cong

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Speaker 11: south of Saigon, and I was with the lead element.

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Speaker 11: And as I was calling in army helicopters to try

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Speaker 11: to take this out and got shot in stomach at

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Speaker 11: that time.

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Speaker 1: Now, now, when you got hit with that, did they

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Speaker 1: take you? Did we have in sixty five, did we

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Speaker 1: have those mass units? Did we have the US military there?

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Speaker 1: Or was the Vietnamese go There was.

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Speaker 11: A very brave couple of Army Warren helicachotropolots. They took that.

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Speaker 11: There was a hueye with guns on the side. They

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Speaker 11: brought it right around, shut it down. They took some

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Speaker 11: rounds through the cockpit. They picked it up and turned

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Speaker 11: their tail back towards what the enemy was. I crawled

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Speaker 11: over and got in and they took off, took me

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Speaker 11: straight into the Army third Field, Army Field Hospital, So

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Speaker 11: I was probably in the operating room within about thirty

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Speaker 11: forty five minutes after I was wounded.

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Speaker 1: That's an incredible turnaround to be able to be able

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Speaker 1: to get in, get out from from a hot battle zone,

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Speaker 1: to be able to get to the hospital unit so quickly,

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Speaker 1: and it really speaks, I think, to the competency of

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Speaker 1: the men that were there on the ground.

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Speaker 11: I read a manual about the First World War and

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Speaker 11: said stomach shots.

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Speaker 7: Were always fatal. Yes, it was good to be be

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Speaker 7: a little further long in time.

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Speaker 1: You're you're you're breaking the breaking the mold on that one,

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Speaker 1: breaking the breaking the odds on that. But that really,

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Speaker 1: and that really also became start of the story of Vietnam,

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Speaker 1: is that there was so much medical innovation that came

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Speaker 1: out of these these intense conflicts, intense situations.

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Speaker 7: Wait, we called it the golden hour.

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Speaker 11: If you could stabilize a marine and get them out

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Speaker 11: to a medical facility within the golden hour, Uh, the

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Speaker 11: odds of surviving.

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Speaker 7: Were much higher.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was about one hour. So then you

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Speaker 1: get wounded, you come back. What was it like getting

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Speaker 1: you know, being on the mend and then coming back

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Speaker 1: three years later as a commanding officer.

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Speaker 11: Well, coming back to the stage wasn't pleasant because that's

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Speaker 11: when the anti war elements were pretty high. Uh my parents,

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Speaker 11: for example, there was a picture of me in a

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Speaker 11: local paper. They got the push papers with obscenities written

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Speaker 11: over sent to them and things like that. So it

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Speaker 11: wasn't pleasant coming back into the States. But going back

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Speaker 11: out as a company commander was almost a dream come true.

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Speaker 11: I'd always wanted to, I'd commanded a patune, i always

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Speaker 11: wanted to command a rifle company. So to have that

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Speaker 11: opportunity I valued it.

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Speaker 1: And just for til we get it out. What was

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Speaker 1: your age nineteen sixty five?

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Speaker 11: How old were I was twenty nine years old. I'd

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Speaker 11: been in the Marine Corps since I was eighteen. I'd

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Speaker 11: been enlisted for a couple of years, so I had

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Speaker 11: a con bit of experience and feelt pretty confident.

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Speaker 1: That's incredible, and I want to ask about that. So

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Speaker 1: you get wounded, You take a wound in a conflict

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Speaker 1: that you didn't start yourself, but you'd in order to

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Speaker 1: go to and your parents were getting obscenities about you

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Speaker 1: even coming home after being wounded in combat. Yes, what

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Speaker 1: did your parents say when they got that?

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Speaker 7: I think they were upset.

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Speaker 11: And to give an indication of what it was like

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Speaker 11: when I came home from the second tour with my company,

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Speaker 11: third Italian seventh Marines, my wife had to change her

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Speaker 11: phone number to an unlisted number.

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Speaker 7: Because she got harassing calls. Uh, just things that were

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Speaker 7: shouldn't have been done.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's absolutely things that shouldn't have been done.

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Speaker 1: And and and you look at the history of it,

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Speaker 1: and and I was I was really you know I

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Speaker 1: mentioned before that I was. I was really moved that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when when we were going through the booklet

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Speaker 1: here and they read the names. It's seven pages, single space,

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Speaker 1: name after name after name of the Marines that didn't

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Speaker 1: make it back and realizing the intensity and that's that's

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Speaker 1: just this company.

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Speaker 11: It is a lot of casualties. Now in terms of

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Speaker 11: commanding that company, I often tell folks, if it wasn't

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Speaker 11: for the separation from my family, and if it wasn't

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Speaker 11: for the casualties, that would be my groundhog day. I

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Speaker 11: would lead that company from my entire life. Some fantastic

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Speaker 11: Marines and uh Navy Corman, you were living on the edge.

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Speaker 11: It's a certain excitement to it. And some just some

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Speaker 11: great people around you, both in terms of their professional

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Speaker 11: skills and their courage. So the casualties are obviously something,

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Speaker 11: they're just a tragic the tragic part.

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Speaker 7: Of being in the military.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly right, and I appreciate so much that

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Speaker 1: you and the men and the families are still here

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Speaker 1: even today, all these years later that are commemorating, that

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Speaker 1: are standing, and that's that's it's it's it is about honor,

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Speaker 1: but it's also an active duty, isn't it.

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Speaker 11: It is what most folks don't think about. They think

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Speaker 11: about camaraderie in the military, but it's actually a love,

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Speaker 11: a love for each other. And what we find in

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Speaker 11: the reunions is the first time someone comes, they're a

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Speaker 11: little leary. The first afternoon or evening. The second day,

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Speaker 11: they get into discussions, look at photos from that were

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Speaker 11: taken there, begin to talk to whatever squad or a

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Speaker 11: patuone they were in. By the Sunday morning when get

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Speaker 11: ready to leave, everybody's in tears. It's just a real

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Speaker 11: emotional event. But there's no way to really explain it

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Speaker 11: unless you've lived it and have that feeling. But it

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Speaker 11: doesn't matter what your walk of life is, anything about

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Speaker 11: your ethnic or religious background, none of that matters. You

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Speaker 11: are a United States Marine and you've been in combat together.

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Speaker 7: That's what counts.

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Speaker 1: And you've been United States Marine once a marine, always

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Speaker 1: a marine. And I would have loved I know the

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Speaker 1: tavern they're working on getting it back together. It would

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Speaker 1: be just about a couple of blocks from where we are.

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Speaker 11: We are in the city where the Marine Corps was born.

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Speaker 11: In seventeen seventy five, John Adams had a Maritime Commission

653
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,800
Speaker 11: that they were studying whether we needed a Marine Corps.

654
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 11: They decided that we did. They informed the Second Continental

655
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 11: Congress and there was a resolution that established two battalions

656
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:58,040
Speaker 11: of American Marines and Samuel Nichols was the first commissioned

657
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 11: officer and he began to recruit marines, sent uh drummers

658
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 11: and fifers throughout the town and god, they got the

659
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 11: first marine. So this is Philadelphia is the home of

660
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Speaker 11: the Brine Corps.

661
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 7: What is it?

662
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,359
Speaker 1: What does it mean to you that? Do you think

663
00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: that that the Marine Corps the first recruiting drive was

664
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: in a tavern?

665
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 7: Well, that's appropriate, that's that's where should have been, no

666
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 7: doubt about it.

667
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 1: Now do you think if we went into Philadelphia taverns

668
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: today we'd find some ready and willing enable marines.

669
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 7: Well, what the Marine Corps always tells, he's young men,

670
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 7: you're not good enough. And then they got to prove themselves.

671
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 7: That's one of my.

672
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 11: Favorite stories is of a recruiter that there's recruiters from

673
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 11: all the services go into high school and each of

674
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 11: the other services to talk about the benefits, the training,

675
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 11: what you're going to get out of it, and the

676
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 11: Marine cruit. Recruiter walks it up there and looks out

677
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 11: over the student body, says, I don't think any of

678
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 11: you are good enough to be maraines.

679
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 7: But if you think you are, I'll be in the back.

680
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 7: Come back and see me. And that's how we get

681
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 7: the kind of folks we want.

682
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: And that's the kind of folks you want. And then

683
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 1: and then, and then the pull up bar comes out,

684
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: and the push up competitions begin and all the rest

685
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: of it. And I know it's absolutely appropriate. And that's

686
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: that's the Marines cut from a different cloth. But that's

687
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: how you get the few and the prep. We're coming

688
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: up on a quick break here and and and I'm

689
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: looking I I'm looking at the comments here. They generally

690
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 1: you're able to stick with us for another segment. All right,

691
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 1: he's staying here, folks. We're in Human Events Daily. We're

692
00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: here live Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. We've got General Van Riper who's

693
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Speaker 1: here with us. He was the commanding officer of my

694
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 1: company there in Vietnam nineteen sixty eight nineteen sixty nine.

695
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: He's telling the stories of the core. He's telling the

696
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,560
Speaker 1: stories about what it was like when he was there,

697
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: facing off against those godless commies in the viet Cong.

698
00:37:49,120 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 1: We'll be right back here human events continues. Jack is

699
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 1: a great guy. He's read that fantastic.

700
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 7: Look and everybody's talking about it.

701
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,000
Speaker 1: Go get it that.

702
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 8: He's been my friend right from the beginning.

703
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,439
Speaker 7: Of this whole beautiful event.

704
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: Pad.

705
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 11: We're going to turn her around and make her affecting.

706
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 7: Way to get Amen.

707
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: All right, Jack with Cevich. We're back here live Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

708
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 1: We're on with General Paul Van Riper, Mike the commanding

709
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: officer of Mike three to seven and General I had

710
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: to ask you, so, Mike three seven, am I correct

711
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 1: in understanding that this is the most decorated unit for

712
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: the Vietnam War.

713
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 11: I'm not absolutely sure that, but it certainly was one

714
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 11: of the most decorated saw some of the heaviest combat.

715
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 11: Went into the end of Vietnam in July of nineteen

716
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 11: sixty five and didn't leave until October of nineteen seventy

717
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 11: and was involved in some of the heaviest fighting. I

718
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,879
Speaker 11: know when I was there what we call the post

719
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 11: that defensive the casualties were pretty high.

720
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's.

721
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,080
Speaker 1: That's incredible. Well, and General I want to thank you

722
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: for your time today. I want to get one of

723
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: your predecessors here, another former CEO of Mike three to seven.

724
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,800
Speaker 1: But I wanted to say thank you, and if you

725
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 1: don't mind hearing it from a Navy guy, simplify.

726
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 11: Okay, what with the Navy Marine courtem Tom Dratty, here's

727
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 11: some older friends.

728
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad to pass the Mike joy All right, Well

729
00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: let's get him in. Thank you.

730
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 7: General.

731
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 1: Another general coming up here, because we've got a number

732
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:32,800
Speaker 1: of number of Marines here joining us at on Human

733
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: Events Daily today, I want to get him in and

734
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 1: it's it's just an incredible and absolutely incredible General. Thank

735
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: you so much for joining us here. We'll get you,

736
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: get you sitting down. Great to meet you as well. General.

737
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,319
Speaker 1: Could you get your mic right there and you could

738
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 1: just look right at me. You don't need to worry

739
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: about looking at the camera. But the people see I promise. General. Now,

740
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: so I'm looking over here. Now, you were the commanding officer,

741
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: so prior to to prior to Paul getting there, you

742
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 1: were the commanding officer going back for my company in

743
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty six, so you were there prior to that. Now,

744
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: let me ask you who had the tougher job, was

745
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: it you or Paul?

746
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 3: Well, they say and the Marine Court. There's only two

747
00:40:12,680 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: good jobs, the one you just came from, the one

748
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,919
Speaker 3: you're going to. But there could be no better job

749
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:21,719
Speaker 3: in Vietnam than to command.

750
00:40:21,680 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: My company, is that right?

751
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 7: Absolutely?

752
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 3: I loved them, their tremendous I still talk to them

753
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: to this day. We met each other in nineteen sixty

754
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 3: three and we kind of grew up together.

755
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 10: So it's just a.

756
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,399
Speaker 3: Many ways a father's son relationship. I quoted the other

757
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 3: night there from sun Zoo. Regard to your soldiers as

758
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: your children, and they will follow you into the deepest valleys.

759
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: Treat them as your own beloved sons, and they will

760
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: be with you even unto death. And that's the relationship

761
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 3: that we had with my company. Maybe in many ways

762
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 3: were my son before I had children, But there are

763
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 3: my sons.

764
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 7: And will be to we die.

765
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: Amen. And you went into those valleys, and you went

766
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: into those jungles with them, and they went with you.

767
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 7: All the way. Absolutely.

768
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 3: But uh, it was just an honor to command a

769
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 3: company like Mike and Uh to be a part of.

770
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 7: You know, to make history.

771
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Oh, they're asking me if you can hold up better audio.

772
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,880
Speaker 1: When when to when when you were you're with the veterans.

773
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: When when you speak to marines today, when you you

774
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,439
Speaker 1: know people who were thinking about getting into the Marine

775
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,879
Speaker 1: Corps or or maybe you know you know your your

776
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: e ones. Uh what what advice do you have to

777
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 1: them as someone who's seen it all?

778
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 3: Uh, just be proud of being Marine. Our core values

779
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 3: or courage, honor and commitment, and those are the things

780
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 3: that we expect and are produced by the Marines. Great,

781
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 3: great training out of boot jamp preparation for whatever the

782
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: assignment will be in the Marine Corps and every MS

783
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 3: is important. So I've been an infantry officer, but we

784
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 3: had to rely upon artillery and aviation and tanks and

785
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 3: all the rest of them. So it's a truly a team.

786
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 3: And uh, you know wants some Marine oys and Marine's

787
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 3: just always the case.

788
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 1: That's right, And they say that and and and you'll

789
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: you'll have to correct me if I've got the story wrong.

790
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: It's coming from a Navy guy. But if I remember correctly,

791
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: it was German dispatches in World War One that were

792
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 1: intercepted and they said there's a new kind of fighting

793
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:40,960
Speaker 1: force that the Americans have sent over. We're not sure

794
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: who they are. They're not they're not soldiers and they're

795
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: not sailors, but they fight like a pack of devil dogs.

796
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,239
Speaker 1: Teuf yeah, absolute, yeah, and that and who and who

797
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 1: is that again? And that was the United States Marine? Yes,

798
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: teuf teufle London. So that dogs and that and that

799
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: of course has gone to come I said. The Marines

800
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 1: found that and they immediately adopted that as the nick

801
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: came down throughout time because that was the Even the

802
00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: German huns were willing to.

803
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 3: Say that, Yeah, what a great nick name.

804
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 1: Hunh oh, it's it's incredible. And when when you when

805
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 1: you look for what what makes general, what makes a

806
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 1: good marine? What would you say?

807
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 2: Uh?

808
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 3: Well, the number one thing is integrity, and that is

809
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 3: you're always especially do the right thing for the right reasons.

810
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 3: And that integrity expands to those that you're serving with

811
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 3: your your fellow marines or now Systerm marines as well,

812
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: but that they can roll upon you and you can

813
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: roll upon them. And uh, I mentioned last night that.

814
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 7: There's a.

815
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 3: Summer and fall of nineteen sixty six, over half the

816
00:43:54,320 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: company was wounded or had been wounded. So just tremendous actions,

817
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 3: and General Van Riper's described some of them already all

818
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 3: the way until nineteen seventy. And my company was always

819
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: in the thick of it. And again we're not sure

820
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: who's the most decorated unit, but as far as I'm concerned,

821
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 3: the one that was during to my heart it will

822
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 3: be until the day.

823
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: I die, is my company in Mike three seven. When

824
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: when when you look out there and you look back

825
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: at the history of it, what do people get wrong

826
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 1: about the history of the experience in the Marines and Vietnam?

827
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 3: I think, and I taught a course on Vietnam, and

828
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: I think what the problem is that for many Americans,

829
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: they they mixed up the war with the warrior, and

830
00:44:43,719 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 3: they if they didn't like the war, they had a

831
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,439
Speaker 3: tendency to take it out of the warrior. And that's

832
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: that's just wrong. In the way some of the veterans

833
00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:54,040
Speaker 3: were treated when they return, you know, is inexcusable. But

834
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: you know, we got over it. The people understood the

835
00:44:57,600 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 3: eventually that we had a job to do, and we

836
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 3: did it. So I think that's uh. One of the

837
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: things that always stayed with me is that when you

838
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,400
Speaker 3: send when you want somebody to fight, you.

839
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:10,320
Speaker 7: Send in the Marines.

840
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 3: I mean, there's not And we can do demonstrations and

841
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 3: feints and all the rest of it. But when it

842
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 3: comes time to fix bayonets and charge, as I once said,

843
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:26,240
Speaker 3: that opportunity to give that command, then you fix bayonets

844
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 3: in your charge, you're expected.

845
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: To wall you were you were all a second you

846
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: were still using the bayonets in nineteen sixty six.

847
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's a great weapon. Uh game time to

848
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 3: take a position that reinforced battalion and my company going

849
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 3: up against it used every supporting arm I could, artillery, aircraft.

850
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 3: So the sun is going down. You don't want to

851
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: attack a position where they know where they are, but

852
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,879
Speaker 3: you don't know where they are. So I said, there's

853
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,960
Speaker 3: only one thing to do is fix the nuts. And

854
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,240
Speaker 3: when the baynuts went on, this is an amazing resolve

855
00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 3: that came over the company. It's like, this is Brucely,

856
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 3: is is gonna get you know, we're not gonna shoot

857
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 3: somebody at three hundred yards or we're gonna smash or

858
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:18,879
Speaker 3: slash or beat you to death and other human being

859
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: And at the end of that one and wondering this

860
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 3: rifle the other there's gonna be someone live and someone dead.

861
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: Oh and and you hear story. And I've i've I've

862
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: read so many accounts of the close quarters combat, the

863
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: tunnel combat that does happen the tunnel rats. Yeah, I've

864
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: I've read quite a bit and some of the and

865
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,279
Speaker 1: it doesn't get more howuring than being up close and

866
00:46:40,360 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: personal and uh, you know bay, and that is not

867
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: exactly effective at three hundred yards no more about three

868
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: feet yeah, yea or less or last general, we're just

869
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: about out of time, final minute to you, what does

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Speaker 1: it mean that that that America is turning its face

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Speaker 1: towards the Marine Corps today on the two and fiftieth birthday.

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Speaker 3: I think that the first thing that should be the

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Speaker 3: gratitude for having a corps of Marines that is most

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Speaker 3: ready when the nation is least ready, and in these

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Speaker 3: days when we can't predict the future, we just have

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Speaker 3: to be absolutely ready for the next step, and that

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Speaker 3: being staying prepared, to stake trained, staying in shape, modernize

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Speaker 3: the equipment, and so forth.

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Speaker 7: But all of that depends on one.

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Speaker 3: Commodity, and that's the marine who's holding that weapon, operating

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Speaker 3: that drone, whatever the case may be, and that's where

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Speaker 3: our confidence must be. And it's our duty to make

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Speaker 3: sure that our nation always has that confidence in us.

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Speaker 1: Aimen to that general. The power of a single marine

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Speaker 1: rifleman defending the United States of America means the United

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Speaker 1: States will never fall. Ladies and gentlemen, as always, you

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Speaker 1: have my permission to lay ashore