WEBVTT - Frank Luntz: Behind the Polls 0:00:00.360 --> 0:00:03.560 W. C. Fields once said he would like his epitat 0:00:03.760 --> 0:00:07.440 to read I'd rather be living in Philadelphia, which was 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:12.000 his actual birthplace. Um, but actually I would rather be 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.200 living in Philadelphia at least this week where the Democratic 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:18.799 National Convention is being held, because it has been a 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:23.240 fascinating experience, not only to be here, but in Cleveland 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:26.440 last week. Brian, how does this compare to other conventions 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:31.480 you've witnessed? This is much different. I mean, on one level, 0:00:32.000 --> 0:00:35.400 it's the same. There are the logistical issues, there's getting 0:00:35.440 --> 0:00:38.600 around a convention hall. There's all that stuff, the role call, 0:00:38.840 --> 0:00:42.680 the funny outfits, the buttons, the pens, which I always 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:45.640 love from the great state of Delaware, where the ice 0:00:45.680 --> 0:00:49.400 cream bars or coldest, where the orange juice is sweetest. 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:55.480 But on another level, this is really a strange campaign 0:00:55.680 --> 0:00:58.560 because even though we're in Philadelphia for the Democrats, all 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.520 anybody's talking about Donald Trump. I built the business, and 0:01:02.560 --> 0:01:04.800 I didn't start it with a million dollar check from 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:08.920 my father. Safeguarding freedom and security is not like posting 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:12.679 a TV reality show. This guy doesn't have a clue 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.760 about the middle class, not a clue. This is not 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.840 like any campaign I've seen or I've ever read about 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:23.640 in history. It's something we're going to be talking about 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.240 with our guest Frank Lentz, who's coming up in a minute. 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:31.520 Frank is a Republican pollster. He's also part time comedian 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.760 or a wannabe. We tease him and call him checky, 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:36.880 but he's got a million jokes. In fact, we could 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:40.400 hardly get him out of the studio without him telling 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.120 us some Chris Christie jokes which I will not repeat, 0:01:43.240 --> 0:01:45.839 and a Bill Clinton joker too. He was fair and balanced, 0:01:45.880 --> 0:01:49.280 like Fox News where he works and CVS. He's quick 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:53.200 to point out, yes, even his media contracts are are balanced. 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:55.680 But we should just tell you a little bit about him, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:58.640 because even though you may not have heard his name, 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:00.720 I think you're going to be the earlier with some 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:04.280 of his work. He's really come up with the words 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:09.000 that have really defined our politics over the last twenty years. 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:13.200 So when we say climate change rather than global warming, 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:17.040 when we say death tax rather than a state tax, 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:21.079 energy exploration instead of oil drilling. He's really helped Republicans 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:24.960 over the years try to position their policy a little 0:02:25.000 --> 0:02:28.519 bit differently to appeal to more voters. His critics believe 0:02:28.639 --> 0:02:32.799 that you know, he's creating a misleading impression. He's he's 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.960 steering the voters to believe something that isn't true. His 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.560 supporters say, this is what's happened in politics throughout history, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.799 and he's just a very effective strategist. We'll talk to 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.160 him about being sort of the official GOP wordsmith, but 0:02:45.320 --> 0:02:48.880 also about the mood of the country because Frank travels everywhere. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:53.480 He's talked to so many people over the past several months, 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.480 and I think he has his finger on the pulse, 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:59.679 perhaps better than almost anyone. So I can't wait to 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:02.799 year from him so he can share with us what 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.840 people are sharing with him. Frank Lens is in the house. 0:03:08.440 --> 0:03:11.040 I know I'm in trouble, doctor, Frank leans, we should 0:03:11.040 --> 0:03:13.440 get the full title. That's right, you have a PhD. Right, 0:03:13.560 --> 0:03:16.480 According to Bill Maher, he wasn't quite sure. Frank Lean says, 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:21.919 over here, and doctor doctor, it's great to see your doctor. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.680 I know we just watched that boy. He was tough 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:28.000 on you. Frank was that hard? It was awful. It 0:03:28.080 --> 0:03:30.799 was awful. It was awful because I had come on 0:03:30.880 --> 0:03:32.720 to be candid. I had come on to have a 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:37.120 real conversation, not take a partisan position. I was specifically 0:03:37.160 --> 0:03:41.040 told by the executive producer, don't tell jokes. That's not 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:46.720 let be serious, be be open, be candid, And every 0:03:46.760 --> 0:03:49.760 time I tried to do it, it was another Trump 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.480 joke and another Trump jokes. What's going on? I saw 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:57.360 all week? It is now tied Trump and Hillary forty forty. 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:01.040 Explain this to me how and in saying racist and 0:04:01.120 --> 0:04:06.800 orange grease paint can be tied with the former First Lady. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.640 And I kept waiting for the real conversation to happen, 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:13.080 and it never did. Well. Clearly he viscerated you because 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:17.640 you are associated with Republicans and Bill is clearly a 0:04:17.680 --> 0:04:21.279 liberal Democrat. So I think it wasn't necessarily a match 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:23.839 made in Heaven from the get go, right, but it was. 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.800 I said to his executive producer that he blew a 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:30.560 good opportunity because there are times, just as you have 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:33.320 comedies that have a very serious show. There's humor in it, 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.320 but they deal with a serious topic. I was ready 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.240 to really open up, and I'm not doing that again. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.560 I learned from this politics does not and media does 0:04:44.640 --> 0:04:50.560 not reward candor. It does not reward the truth. It 0:04:50.720 --> 0:04:57.479 rewards a real articulated, well explained facts and information. But 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.479 if you are being reflective, you are punished for it 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.400 and you are not celebrated for it. It's kind of 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:06.279 like your version of the Colonel Jessu. You can't handle 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:12.000 the truth, no, because that's entertainment. Yeah, you're actually trying 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.720 to describe what you're seeing in the country because you 0:05:14.800 --> 0:05:19.080 do more focus groups than probably any other professional in America. 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.159 I'm the closest thing to a mayor, but I'm a 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:24.080 mayor For the company's group of eighteen women to Studio 0:05:24.120 --> 0:05:27.680 fifty seven yesterday and included six Republicans, six Democrats, and 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:30.320 six independents, and they did not find much common ground. 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:34.160 Every night, I'm seeing or thirty new people every night, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:37.440 I'm learning what bothers them. I'm learning their challenges and 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.560 their hopes and dreams and and it's all positive or negative, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.840 but I'm hearing it in reality. So let's start with 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.080 Donald Trump. I want a word or phrase for you 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:51.200 all to describe Donald Trump patriot, clown show, hate monger. 0:05:51.600 --> 0:05:53.359 And so every night when I go to sleep, I 0:05:53.440 --> 0:05:56.400 take that with me. It doesn't leave me. And in fact, 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:59.360 you don't seem like a happy camper right now, because 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:01.839 I guess the things you're hearing out there in the 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:05.440 country are not happy. When I started this back in 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:10.680 I don't know there was Ross Perot who I worked with. UM. 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:17.200 Even the anger had its borders that you would disagree 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:19.719 with somebody, but you would not take them outo the 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:24.360 wood shed. Today, in our current political environment, there are 0:06:24.400 --> 0:06:27.799 no limits. You have the right to get into someone's 0:06:27.800 --> 0:06:29.680 face and scream at them. You have the right on 0:06:29.839 --> 0:06:33.080 national television to insult them. You have the right not 0:06:33.160 --> 0:06:36.359 to stop at the commercial break, but to continue to 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:39.440 pontificate because you've got the right to be heard. This 0:06:39.480 --> 0:06:42.840 is one collective temper tantrum. And for me and I 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.760 never went through this, it is like mom and dad 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:47.840 fighting with each other, and I have to make the 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:49.680 choice who I'm going to live with for the next 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.920 four years. I don't want to live with either of them. 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.480 It's it's it's rough. Can I ask you a question. 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:59.159 We we've talked about this a lot. Why are people 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.480 so angry? Because if you look at so many of 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:05.080 the indicators, the economy has been growing for seven years. 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:11.920 Unemployments below five cut in half since President Obama took office. Yeah, 0:07:12.280 --> 0:07:16.880 wages are stagnant there, they're not rising like they used to. 0:07:17.840 --> 0:07:21.120 H Long term unemployments a larger challenge, but we face 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.160 far worse in the past. Why are people so uniquely 0:07:24.320 --> 0:07:26.920 angry now? Because the three people who are sitting at 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:30.240 this table do not feel any economic suffering at all, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:32.880 and that if any of us lost our jobs or 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:37.400 something went wrong, we'd be okay. For fifteen or of America, 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:40.400 they are doing great. And the truth is the wealthy 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:42.920 shouldn't be angry with Barack Obama. They should embrace him 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:46.000 because this has been the best time for them. The 0:07:46.040 --> 0:07:48.960 people who are suffering, and I say this as someone 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:51.640 who's right of center, the people who are suffering are 0:07:51.680 --> 0:07:54.560 the working class. They had forty hour a week jobs 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:57.240 ten years ago. Today it's twenty eight hours a week 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:00.800 because their employer is trying to avoid paying for health 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:04.360 care even though they claim that healthcare and it has 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.520 uh provided care for eight to ten million people who 0:08:08.560 --> 0:08:11.280 did not have it before. There's six to eight million 0:08:11.320 --> 0:08:14.040 people who lost their health care and almost everyone has 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:18.160 seen it increased significantly the cost. We no longer believe 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:20.680 that our employers will be there for us ten years 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.080 from now. We have no faith in our retirements. Social 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.080 Security doesn't pay for anything, and so if you are 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:29.640 a family of four at about fifty two fifty four 0:08:29.680 --> 0:08:32.959 thousand dollars a year, you have no savings, you have 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.960 no safety net, and you have no future. And if 0:08:36.000 --> 0:08:39.320 you're in your fifties or sixties, you have no opportunity 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.640 to fix it. So I'm living through the fact that 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:45.800 some of the things that I believed as recently as 0:08:45.800 --> 0:08:47.720 a few years ago have proven not to be true. 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.720 And both sides are failing. And I'll make one last point. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:55.880 I apologize for no it's fascinating, which is that it's 0:08:55.880 --> 0:08:58.560 all right, But this is this is my life every day, 0:08:58.679 --> 0:09:00.000 which is I don't want to live in a country 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:03.520 tree that is in decline. I went to Oxford, I 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.160 got my defail from Oxford University, and I talked to 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.200 these kids whose parents were in charge of the world, 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:13.559 not grandparents, but parents. I don't want to be them. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:15.720 I will give up, and I've done well. I will 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.240 give it up for a country that is happy and 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:23.160 healthy and progressing, a country where most people do get 0:09:23.200 --> 0:09:26.000 to experience their dreams if they work hard and play 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.640 by the rules. But that's not America right now. And 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:31.400 so I I jokingly say I'm moving to New Zealand, 0:09:31.520 --> 0:09:34.959 the southern Island because the weather is good, people are great. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.679 But it's becoming less and less of a joke. I 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.040 can understand that, and it's it is difficult because I 0:09:42.080 --> 0:09:45.439 do think the three people at this table are detached 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.679 from reality on many levels. Brian told me about a 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:53.840 statistic that what percentage Brian of people cannot deal with 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:59.000 an unexpected four expense? For I think it's about the 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.439 American people. This was a study from the Federal Reserve 0:10:02.360 --> 0:10:05.720 would not be able to afford an unexpected four expense. 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:10.240 I think people are really really hurting, and and yet 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.200 there seems to be two America's in many ways. So 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.280 is this solvable? I mean, can a president really change 0:10:18.440 --> 0:10:21.480 all of this? And are there limits to a presidential power? 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:26.920 It was solvable in two thousand eight, Barack Obama had 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.640 the capability. And I'll just illustrate this with what I 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:34.520 saw on January nine. I came to the inauguration. I 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.160 was not a supporter of his, and I saw fifteen 0:10:38.240 --> 0:10:44.160 year old um inner city youths helping seven year old 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:47.720 women with mink coats and diamonds that are worth more 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.800 than this studio helping them across this area because there 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:53.320 were barriers and all sorts of security, and I saw 0:10:53.360 --> 0:10:55.760 people who have never talked to each other before ever 0:10:56.600 --> 0:11:00.280 have the most amazing conversations. And on that day I 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:03.839 actually thought, Wow, this guy is going to be transformational. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.040 And it went to hell so fast. You surely can't 0:11:08.080 --> 0:11:11.080 put it all on his shoulders. Aren't there greater forces 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:16.000 at work here? Frank like globalization, this transition we're witnessing 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.160 from an industrial to a technological society, the fact that 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:24.080 you can't necessarily go into your father's business as a 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:29.480 as a blue collar worker because manufacturing has has declined. 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.520 In some cases, yes, it's been moved overseas, but in 0:11:32.559 --> 0:11:36.480 some cases it's been replaced by technology and robots. So 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.240 I mean, aren't there bigger things that are affecting this 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:44.240 this sort of summer of our discontent? But this country 0:11:44.280 --> 0:11:47.520 went through a global war that we possibly could have lost, 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.360 and we came out of it stronger. We went through 0:11:50.400 --> 0:11:53.760 two global wars in the twentieth century. We have had 0:11:54.320 --> 0:11:56.680 we have we have went from the horse and buggy 0:11:56.760 --> 0:11:59.520 to the car. I'm not saying there aren't things that 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.760 you can do. But I'm just saying, can you blame 0:12:02.880 --> 0:12:06.079 all these things? I'm President Obama. I was going to 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:10.240 cite Nancy Pelosi. Republicans could not meet with her. I 0:12:10.280 --> 0:12:12.679 did not know this at the time. She would not 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.839 meet with a Republican. A Republican could not carry legislation, 0:12:15.840 --> 0:12:19.880 a Republican could not offer an amendment, a Republican could 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:24.440 not lead a debate. They were completely and totally cut off. 0:12:25.120 --> 0:12:27.520 So when I actually got a chance to ask questions 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.280 of them, and this wasn't this It took till two 0:12:29.320 --> 0:12:33.400 thousand twelve. I do not interview a single Republican who 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:39.720 had a single meeting in her office, not one. Democrats 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.640 were told, do not talk to them, do not engage 0:12:42.640 --> 0:12:45.920 with them, do not allow them to co sponsor legislation. 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:50.800 It's our turn now. And that is that after they 0:12:50.840 --> 0:12:53.120 said things like we our goal is to make sure 0:12:53.200 --> 0:12:55.920 Barack Obama has a one term presidency. Though that was 0:12:56.040 --> 0:13:00.079 January five of two thousand seven, before Barack Obama is 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:03.680 even president. If you remember, the two thousand sixth election 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:07.520 is what brought Nancy Pelosi the speakership, not two thousand 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:11.560 and eight, and so all that poison had been unleashed, 0:13:12.000 --> 0:13:14.679 and the one that the Democrats used to just really 0:13:14.720 --> 0:13:18.360 hate New Engrich new Gangwich set aside. Every single day, 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.240 every day of his speakership, he met with Democrats, which 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.200 used to drive Republicans nuts. In fact, to actually go 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:28.920 back and correct history. Newt was almost overthrown by Republicans, 0:13:28.960 --> 0:13:31.920 not by Democrats, and the Republicans who are trying to 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:35.200 overthrow him were angry with him for spending too much 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:38.680 time with the other party. Wasn't it the contract with America? 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:41.680 And that he kind of the chickens came home to 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.800 roost after he suggested what many people saw as draconian measures. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:49.840 You mean what Bill Clinton talked about at his convention 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.160 speech about welfare reform, that after years and years, they 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.880 both they actually agreed, they compromised, that they compromised on 0:13:57.000 --> 0:14:00.760 legislation that balanced the budget, that you had a Democratic 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:04.079 president and a Republican Congress that actually brought the budget 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:07.800 into legitimate balance. That you had a Democratic president and 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:11.360 a Republican Congress that actually got welfare reform and put 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.880 people back to work. It can work. And gang which 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.840 is not the easiest guy to get along with, and 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:19.640 Bill Clinton is not a walk in the park, and 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.280 yet they got it done. And we don't have that 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:24.240 right now. But both parties have a kind of a 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.800 partisan disaster narrative when things took a turn, So like sore, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.040 she's too happy that you're explaining why I feel the 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:34.720 way that I do. So I'm here at the Democratic Convention. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:38.040 They're treating me great. Well, let's talk about being here 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:42.080 at the Democratic National Convention. What are your thoughts in 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:45.160 terms of what you've seen so far. I don't understand 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.640 why the Clinton campaign didn't turn to the Sanders people 0:14:47.680 --> 0:14:53.120 and say stop the protests. You're making us look foolish. 0:14:53.400 --> 0:14:56.040 At the Republican Convention, they booed Ted Cruz and that 0:14:56.160 --> 0:15:00.600 lasted for twenty four seconds and that was it. That's 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:06.360 one Number two is I refuse, I absolutely refuse to 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:09.360 demonize any of these people, because if you have a 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.800 conversation with them, either Clinton or Sanders, there is a 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:18.520 there is both a fear and a hope and a 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:22.480 commitment to something better. I don't like it when the 0:15:22.520 --> 0:15:26.840 two conventions for four nights just abuse each other. You 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:29.920 have every right to hold Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.920 accountable for what they have said and what they have done. 0:15:34.000 --> 0:15:37.800 But it gets so extreme. You know when when people 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:42.480 were talking about the Republican Convention and particularly Donald Trump's 0:15:42.520 --> 0:15:48.120 acceptance speech, they used words like dark, depressing, dystopian, and 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:51.520 yet it played much better in the real world. Is 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:56.520 that because people are feeling dark and depressed? It's because 0:15:56.560 --> 0:15:59.400 people they felt that he told the truth and that's 0:15:59.440 --> 0:16:01.320 what they want more than anything else. They just want 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.200 you to look them straight in the eye. Don't be 0:16:03.240 --> 0:16:08.200 politically correct, don't be gentle, tell us the truth. Now 0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:11.800 you have basically of the country that still is positive 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.080 and hopeful. You have to believe our best days are 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:18.800 behind us, and there's the that's in the middle. Trump 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.800 was specifically appealing to those and basically saying, they're not 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:25.080 going to tell you the way things are. I will. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.960 You may not like it, but I'm going to be 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:30.920 direct with you. And yet, do you think the solutions 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:35.680 that he's providing are specific enough and realistic? At some point, 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.760 aren't people going to be saying where's the beef? I 0:16:39.800 --> 0:16:45.000 mean when he has a responsibility in the debates to 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:47.560 do that, but just in the debates. But the first 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.360 step is to tell the truth. The first step is 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.280 to articulate how people feel. But you're telling you that 0:16:53.400 --> 0:16:55.920 Donald Trump telling the truth. I mean, the fact checkers 0:16:55.960 --> 0:16:58.720 kind of went nuts during his speech because he was 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:03.440 describing crime out of control immigrants is uh, you know, 0:17:03.600 --> 0:17:07.960 modern mob of of violence around the country. He was 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.920 describing unemployment as it as far worse than it actually is. 0:17:12.920 --> 0:17:16.840 Is he trying to create the prices? But it's America's 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:19.560 version of the truth. This is how Americans feel. And 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:23.320 so every time that the Obama administration says, hey, we've 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:26.640 turned the corner, things are getting see the Obama people 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:30.600 don't feel it. And the problem is people in a bubble. Uh, 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.480 when's the last time that you had a meal at Denny's. 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.480 It's been a long time. I admit I prefer waffle House. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:42.000 Have you do you really go there? Sometimes? I live 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:43.960 in Las Vegas and I go to some of these 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.199 cheaper face and there's no reason for me too, but 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:48.679 it's what I do, and I probably stop going to 0:17:48.720 --> 0:17:51.600 those cheap things. Look at me. I basically it's like 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:53.920 I like being around Chris Christie because then I look 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:57.320 like the after photo rather than the before. And you know, 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:03.200 I know, Jackie Love, I'm not sure you're going to 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:05.560 be able to make that claim. I'm I'm going to explode, 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:08.600 But I see the people who are there, and when 0:18:08.600 --> 0:18:10.960 I'm up, when I'm getting food is the best time 0:18:11.160 --> 0:18:14.080 because people's guards are down. And to ask them, why 0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:16.320 did you choose here? Why are you at this hotel? 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.920 And the answer is, we can't afford a vacation. This 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:22.040 is the only place that we can afford. And we 0:18:22.160 --> 0:18:25.240 drove here. We drove here from Phoenix, we drove here 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.640 from Los Angeles, we drove here from San Diego. They 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:32.879 can't even afford We always assume, right that when you 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.160 work hard, you get one week or two weeks off 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.959 and you take your family somewhere. This is all that 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:41.280 they can do because they can get a hotel room 0:18:41.520 --> 0:18:44.119 for forty nine dollars a night that the whole family 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:47.600 can have a big meal for under sixty bucks. And 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.320 that's and when gas prices were at four dollars a gallant, 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:55.040 they couldn't even do that. Let's talk about why they're 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:59.159 attracted to Donald Trump, because I know, in many ways 0:18:59.240 --> 0:19:02.480 he's a vessel or proxy for the anger and frustration 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.800 and resentment that many people are feeling. I get that, 0:19:07.640 --> 0:19:10.879 But then don't you need to take a step further. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:14.120 What will he do? How is he going to change things? 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:20.840 And it's these broad, broad strokes, But that's the problem. 0:19:21.000 --> 0:19:23.360 Frank just wrote a card and I just wrote the word. 0:19:23.400 --> 0:19:29.399 But so everyone listens. I used the word ass on 0:19:29.520 --> 0:19:32.399 Hannity yesterday, which would have got me into trouble, except 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.359 one of the Benghazi guys used the effort after me, 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:38.439 so then everyone forgot that. I think they asked, is 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.240 the mascot of the Democratic Party? Yes, and I and 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:47.040 I fill up the chairs with mine. So it's always 0:19:47.080 --> 0:19:49.760 the butt and these people listen to the Trump voter 0:19:49.880 --> 0:19:53.280 listens for the button. To my surprise, when Donald Trump 0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:56.080 has asked the question about Rosey o'donald in that first debate, 0:19:56.520 --> 0:19:58.560 and I thought he was done, I admit it. I 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:03.880 thought it was over between John McCain and and Mexican 0:20:04.040 --> 0:20:07.600 rapists and all of that. I thought he was done. 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.840 Political correctness matters so much to these people, and the 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:17.520 fact that he's willing to say things unedited, uncensored, just 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:20.840 put it out there. It agitates people what he says, 0:20:21.359 --> 0:20:23.439 but they're so grateful that he says it. And now 0:20:23.520 --> 0:20:28.439 look at the reverse. Hillary Clinton hasn't delivered a traumatic line, 0:20:28.480 --> 0:20:32.520 hasn't stepped outside her comfort comfort zone. Ever, Donald Trump 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.600 runs to the TV cameras, she runs away from them. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.879 Donald Trump never delivers a prepared speech, except for what 0:20:40.080 --> 0:20:43.000 three times now in the whole campaign. She can't do 0:20:43.080 --> 0:20:46.639 anything but a prepared speech. He is way too loud, 0:20:46.880 --> 0:20:49.800 she's way too careful. He's way too out there. She's 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:53.640 way too controlled. And for the average American, they want 0:20:53.680 --> 0:20:55.520 to look you in the eye, which is why instance 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.080 people take their sunglasses off. They want to look you 0:20:58.119 --> 0:20:59.639 in the eye and decide do you really mean it? 0:21:00.080 --> 0:21:03.240 With Donald Trump, they believe that for all his faults, 0:21:03.280 --> 0:21:06.080 he's a real guy. They believed that for Hillary Clinton, 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:11.840 that for all her experience, she's not and that is 0:21:11.880 --> 0:21:16.280 what could prevent her from being president. We want authenticity, 0:21:16.520 --> 0:21:22.560 what about experience and confidence? Experience is less important than judgment. 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:25.160 Tell me what you're going to do, not what you've 0:21:25.200 --> 0:21:29.000 done already. She's done the sort of traditional thing that 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.480 you do in campaigns, and maybe that doesn't work anymore where. 0:21:32.480 --> 0:21:35.040 She has a big policy team, and they put out 0:21:35.119 --> 0:21:38.760 numbers and they send it to analysts and the newspaper reporters, 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:43.639 you know, pick it apart. Trump has put out tweets 0:21:43.680 --> 0:21:47.880 and statements, some of which contradict each other, and they're tied. 0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.199 And and what does that tell you want to hear 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.679 about programs? People want to hear about platitudes. No, they 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.160 want to hear they want to know who you are. 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:03.760 If she had come clean on the Clinton Global Initiative, 0:22:04.160 --> 0:22:06.000 if she did an interview and I'm going to be 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:10.679 specific with Leslie stall On sixty minutes, and Leslie was 0:22:11.000 --> 0:22:14.000 the way she usually is, which is tough but fair, 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.960 and she were to say, I am far from perfect, 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:24.879 and I have made significant mistakes in my career. But 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:27.320 I asked that you examine the balance. I asked that 0:22:27.400 --> 0:22:29.080 you look at the things that I got wrong and 0:22:29.119 --> 0:22:32.760 compared to the things that I got right. And it 0:22:32.960 --> 0:22:37.800 is essential that I level with the American people because 0:22:37.800 --> 0:22:41.440 I'm asking them for their support. If she did that, 0:22:41.520 --> 0:22:46.119 she is the next president. If Donald Trump announces on 0:22:46.280 --> 0:22:50.399 day one that he will conduct a forensic audit of 0:22:50.480 --> 0:22:56.400 the US budget and brought in Deloitte Ian why KPMG 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.560 brought in the brought in the big and within one 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:02.800 d days, we will go through every line and we 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:05.960 will cut every single program that doesn't work, and if 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.040 you are responsible for that program, you will be looking 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:13.399 for work. He's the next president. She needs to level, 0:23:13.520 --> 0:23:17.320 she needs to be candid, humble, He needs to be 0:23:17.400 --> 0:23:21.280 specific with one program that bothers the American people more 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:25.600 than anything else. Waste, government waste, Washington waste even more 0:23:25.600 --> 0:23:28.040 than government waste, because people they don't have issues as 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.520 much with their local community or even their state government. 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:33.600 What they hate is when Washington does it. But he 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:36.119 hasn't done it, and she hasn't done it, and I 0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.439 don't know if either of them will do it. And 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:41.480 so I go across the country. I eat in my Denny's, 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.320