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Speaker 1: Frank is a Republican pollster. He's also part time comedian

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Speaker 1: But we should just tell you a little bit about him,

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Speaker 1: of this campaign. I mean I have seen her walk

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Speaker 1: around a stage without a teleprompter, without notes and just

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Speaker 1: dazzle an audience, the contrast between her and Trump. If

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Speaker 1: she were to do this would be so significant, and

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Speaker 1: she can absolutely do it, so why not Why do

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Speaker 1: it the way it's always been done before? When you

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Speaker 1: know that the American people desperately want you to look

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Speaker 1: them straight in the eye. I think the visual of

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Speaker 1: that would be very powerful. But I'm more interested in

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Speaker 1: what the content of the speech is going to say.

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Speaker 1: And the ch American isn't no, no, no, no no.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's true. I think that if she

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Speaker 1: conveys true honesty and and humility and talks about you know,

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Speaker 1: I think some of her flaws, perceived or real, I

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Speaker 1: think it could be very moving as well. And I

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Speaker 1: think what Franks saying, I think what Frank's saying this

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Speaker 1: really interesting is the issues, the substance, the specific ten

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Speaker 1: point plans, they don't matter very much to voters. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what David Brooks wrote about the other day. He

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Speaker 1: talked about, you know, with Democrats, the answer to every

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Speaker 1: problem is a program. But what Donald Trump is being

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Speaker 1: so effective at is really really kind of measuring the

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Speaker 1: mood of the country and calibrating his statements to to

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Speaker 1: reflect that mood, and that the Democrats need to somehow

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Speaker 1: do that too, and it's just not in their DNA.

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Speaker 1: Their DNA is to be much more specific on policy

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Speaker 1: points when they need to be more touchy feeling right, well,

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Speaker 1: there will be a whole lot of Republicans would argue

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Speaker 1: with that that their DNA is a government solution when

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Speaker 1: they need to think more about how solutions are delivered

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Speaker 1: on the local level, uh public private partnerships with a

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Speaker 1: focus on the private rather than the public. That the

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Speaker 1: problem with the Democrats is that they continue to focus

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Speaker 1: on Washington, which has never been more in popular than

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Speaker 1: it is right now. If that becomes the context, she

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Speaker 1: represents the Washington solution, which she has for quarter century.

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Speaker 1: Trump represents the American solution. Trump will beat her. If

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Speaker 1: that's what the context is. What worries you most about

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Speaker 1: a Clinton presidency or a Trump presidency. What worries me

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Speaker 1: most about a Trump presidency is that I want to

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Speaker 1: see more or knowledge. I want to see a better

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Speaker 1: understanding of the consequences of every decision. The smartest political

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Speaker 1: person I ever worked for was New Gingrich, and he

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Speaker 1: could tell you that if we do A, then B

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Speaker 1: and see, you're gonna happen, and if they happen, then

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Speaker 1: that's going to impact D, E, N F. And you

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Speaker 1: could go all the way through the alphabet. So he

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Speaker 1: saw the impact. For example, if you're gonna do environmental

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Speaker 1: legislation and say we will not build homes here, you

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Speaker 1: cannot build twenty story tall apartments. Now what's the consequence

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Speaker 1: of that. It means that you're then going to have

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Speaker 1: to build sixty miles away. More cars are going to

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Speaker 1: be on the road, so it's gonna put more C

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Speaker 1: O two into the air. So then you say, okay,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna add a catalytic converters, so you have to

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Speaker 1: address the pollution. So what does that do? Car prices

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Speaker 1: go up. People can't afford it. They're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: buy older cars, use cars. He knew the consequences of it.

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Speaker 1: That's not what Trump does. And I really want someone

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Speaker 1: now who if they say we have to do X,

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Speaker 1: that they will know the consequences to Y and Z.

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Speaker 1: He has said things like we're going to round up

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Speaker 1: and deport eleven million illegal immigrants. Nobody believes that. I

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Speaker 1: don't know if if Donald Trump gets elected, I'll be

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Speaker 1: prepared to bet you right now that that never happens,

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Speaker 1: and why is he saying it, and why doesn't it

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Speaker 1: matter that he doesn't mean it? You need Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: to answer those questions for you. When we did a

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Speaker 1: session with Republicans and immigration. And by the way, Republicans

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Speaker 1: want a pathway to legal status. Republicans do, Marco Rubio,

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Speaker 1: Jeb Bush, But but average Republicans, grassroots Republicans. Republicans believe

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Speaker 1: that if you were brought here through no fault of

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Speaker 1: your own, if you're brought here as a child, you

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Speaker 1: should be allowed to stay here as an adult, if

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Speaker 1: you go to college and you have a job. Republicans

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Speaker 1: believe that building a wall is not the answer to

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Speaker 1: illegal immigration, although they do want genuine border security. But

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Speaker 1: those weren't the Republicans who were nominated. It's Donald Trump

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Speaker 1: that was nominated. And who who is for mass deportation

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Speaker 1: in a wall. So how can you say, on the

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Speaker 1: one hand, they want these sort of center right moderate positions,

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Speaker 1: and on the other they nominate the person with the

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Speaker 1: most extreme position because they keep electing members to Congress

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Speaker 1: that really do want to get this resolved. They really

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Speaker 1: do want solutions rather than platitudes, and rather than this anger,

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Speaker 1: and they believe even as they voted for Once again,

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Speaker 1: I come back to they wanted to vote for somebody

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Speaker 1: who said it like it is. They wanted to vote

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Speaker 1: for someone who wasn't Millie Mouth. There's someone who they

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Speaker 1: thought that would buckle. And Trump is a tough, tough guy.

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Speaker 1: So that's why they voted for him, even if they

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Speaker 1: disagree with him on policies like immigration. There's a broader

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Speaker 1: point you're making that. I think it's really interesting you

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Speaker 1: said Trump is being rewarded for telling the truth, for

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Speaker 1: saying it like it is, and yet so much of

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Speaker 1: what he says is verifiably not the truth. It's the

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Speaker 1: truth as he sees it. How do you square those two.

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Speaker 1: They rewarded Hillary Clinton for have in the experience even

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Speaker 1: though they absolutely agreed with Bernie Sanders. Bernie Sanders is

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Speaker 1: the heart and soul of the Democratic Party today. Bernie

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Speaker 1: Sanders agenda and platform is what a majority of Democrats believe.

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Speaker 1: I don't believe that platform is electable at this point,

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Speaker 1: but Bernie Sanders is the most popular and credible national

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Speaker 1: politician alive today, even higher than John McCain, now, much

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Speaker 1: higher than Barack Obama. Way higher than Hillary Clinton, are

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Speaker 1: any of the Republicans? Jeff Bush, Mitt Romney, Bernie Sanders,

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Speaker 1: an avowed socialist, is the most popular politician. And the

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Speaker 1: reason why is because he said what he meant and

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Speaker 1: meant what he said. And even though the public disagrees

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Speaker 1: with all that free stuff he wants to give, they

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Speaker 1: loved him for saying it because they thought he really

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Speaker 1: believed it. It's the same thing with Trump, and the

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Speaker 1: only reason why you don't say it is because you're

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Speaker 1: not with them. You're not with these people. How many

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Speaker 1: Trump rallies did you go to when you sat from

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Speaker 1: beginning to end? I went to toning. That's not bad.

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Speaker 1: How many you go to? Zero? Zero? You gotta go

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Speaker 1: to one because the music is great if you like,

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Speaker 1: if you like, uh, no, classic rock. He I gott

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Speaker 1: admit something because and now I get animated. No, don't rap, No,

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Speaker 1: we have to. I'm getting a note from our producer

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Speaker 1: that I have seen everything, and I'm jaded and cynical.

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Speaker 1: So I'm watching waiting for the rally, and people start

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Speaker 1: to commend here it's it's about to begin. The most

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Speaker 1: powerful guitar riff of any song, to me, is the

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Speaker 1: opening of revolution. When John Lennon plays that screeching guitar,

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Speaker 1: the moment that that song hit and I can't I

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Speaker 1: can't say the moment the first chord. Trump steps up

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Speaker 1: on stage and everyone goes nuts, and you hear and

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Speaker 1: you think revolution, Donald Trump politics. And I felt it

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Speaker 1: for the first time in this entire campaign. I felt it,

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Speaker 1: as did people in the room. And that's what's going

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Speaker 1: on right now. When Bernie Sanders takes the stage, the

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Speaker 1: guy is so old that takes him an hour and

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Speaker 1: a have to watch sixteen minutes. He's so old. His

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Speaker 1: favorite painting is the last supper is the second waiter

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Speaker 1: from the left. The only time he doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: pee is when he's paying. That's how old this guy is.

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Speaker 1: And and and but what did he do? He had

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Speaker 1: twenty one year olds eating out of the palm of

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Speaker 1: his hand. These rallies, they were all positive. People were

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Speaker 1: so funny, even people who knew what I do and

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Speaker 1: knew that I worked for Fox. They'd come over and

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Speaker 1: they would ask me, is he gonna do okay? Is

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Speaker 1: he gonna be okay? And I told them, I don't

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Speaker 1: think he's gonna win. But your ideas are gonna win.

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Speaker 1: Watch what happens. It's not just about the man, it's

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Speaker 1: also about the principles. And his principles are changing the

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party, which means they're going to change the country.

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Speaker 1: And that and and young people were so tuned in

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Speaker 1: on that. Do you think they're going to come out

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Speaker 1: and support Hillary Clinton in the end. So right now

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Speaker 1: it's se of Sanders, people support Clinton on decided supporting

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. She has to take that and bring it

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Speaker 1: up to nine. She has to. If she does that,

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Speaker 1: she's probably the next president. If it is below eighty five,

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Speaker 1: she may well lose because states that matter, Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada.

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Speaker 1: These are states where it's very close. And if you're

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Speaker 1: losing your own base, then you're going to have a challenge.

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Speaker 1: I believe she wins at this point, but I'm but

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Speaker 1: I'm also convinced that Trump could win if he runs

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Speaker 1: a solid campaign and does well in the debates. President

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Speaker 1: Obama said is much this week in an interview. I

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Speaker 1: have to ask you what you're most afraid of when

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Speaker 1: it comes to a Clinton presidency. Um, I'm most afraid

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Speaker 1: that this partisanship and this rancor gets even worse. She's

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Speaker 1: known for reaching across the aisle. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: being a Hillary apologist, but I'm not. I'm just saying

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Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is when she was senator.

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Speaker 1: That's again, in addition to being a good listener. One

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Speaker 1: of the things they tout about her governance that she

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Speaker 1: does work with Republicans. She understands the schmooze factor, having

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Speaker 1: a drink in the Oval office with with those who

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Speaker 1: may think differently than she does. Bill Clinton talked about

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Speaker 1: Tom Delay at the Democratic Convention, and I'm sitting next

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Speaker 1: to Antonio via Rigosa and I said, my god, you

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Speaker 1: would never have heard Tom DeLay's name mentioned at a

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Speaker 1: Republican convention. That's right, because he was an adoptive father, right,

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Speaker 1: he adopted a child. But he's being celebrated at the

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Speaker 1: Democratic convention. And then who's the next name? He mentions,

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Speaker 1: new Gingrich never once mentioned at the Republican convention. So

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Speaker 1: here is Bill Clinton celebrating these conservative Republicans at the

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Speaker 1: Democratic I'm thinking, man, my coludes are kicking back up again.

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Speaker 1: And explained so much, Frank, and it's like, don't do

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Speaker 1: the edible from Colorado. Guys. By the way, I've got

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Speaker 1: one piece of advice as a way to close this.

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Speaker 1: Don't buy the marijuana licenses in Colorado. Buy the pizza

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Speaker 1: parlor licenses right next door. That's how you'll make money.

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Speaker 1: Or that's that's good. Also, can I ask one to

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Speaker 1: last political questions? So there's a theory right now among

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Speaker 1: a lot of political professionals that you win by pumping

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Speaker 1: up your base, that it's a retro idea to reach

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Speaker 1: to swing voters in the center. And that's a big

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Speaker 1: divide in our politics between those who believe in just

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Speaker 1: going for the base and those who want to appeal

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Speaker 1: to swing voters. Where do you come out on that?

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Speaker 1: I come out on trying to basically blur the lines

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Speaker 1: between base and center. And so I'm trying to reach

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Speaker 1: six of the country or seventy of the country, not

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Speaker 1: fifty one, and obviously not a hundred. I know that

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Speaker 1: people are going to disagree with me. I accept that.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them to be enemies of mine. I

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Speaker 1: want them to be opponents. And that's where we've gotten

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Speaker 1: it wrong. We now think that the people who we

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Speaker 1: don't appeal to our our enemy. We have to lower

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Speaker 1: the decipline level so they see us as people that

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Speaker 1: we disagree with, but not as people that should be

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Speaker 1: punished or destroyed. The rap on you, I guess in

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Speaker 1: some circles is that you have inflame some of this

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Speaker 1: divisiveness with words that work and words that work. So

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Speaker 1: how does that inflame? Well, you know, because they sometimes

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Speaker 1: misrepresent rather than school choice. I'm the one who argued

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Speaker 1: for parental choice or moving from UH vouchers to scholarships.

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Speaker 1: And you know why, because you can afford to send

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Speaker 1: your kids to any school they want to go to.

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Speaker 1: But the kids that I really want to help, the

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Speaker 1: ones that actually need that opportunity, they can't, and I

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Speaker 1: want to make sure that parental involvement, parental control happens.

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Speaker 1: Another example is is in terms of taxation, I don't

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Speaker 1: believe you should be taxed. I don't believe that you're

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Speaker 1: the product of your success should be taken away from

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Speaker 1: you because you die. So it was moved from in

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Speaker 1: the state tax to a death tax. This is what

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Speaker 1: you've said, Frank on emotion versus rationality and facts. And

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Speaker 1: I'm curious because I think it's very relevant to this election.

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Speaker 1: It's all emotion. But there's nothing wrong with emotion when

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Speaker 1: we are in love. We are not rational, We are emotional.

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Speaker 1: My job is to look for the words that triggered

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Speaker 1: the emotion. We know that words and emotion together are

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Speaker 1: the most powerful force known to mankind. So you make

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Speaker 1: no apologies for coming up with these trigger words if

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Speaker 1: you will that make people feel a certain way. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Bill Clinton does it. Bill Clinton is the

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Speaker 1: best at it. I'm watching him yesterday. This. I learned

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Speaker 1: my craft, not from New Gingrich Katie. I learned my

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Speaker 1: craft from Bill Clinton because he better than anyone I've

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Speaker 1: ever seen, including Ronald Reagan. When he draped his hands

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Speaker 1: over that podium and his voice would get like why

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Speaker 1: would his voice get like this? You know why, because

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Speaker 1: he wants to be emotional. His normal voice is this.

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Speaker 1: But no, he gets like this because he cares so much.

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Speaker 1: And all I'd say is, if it's good enough for

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Speaker 1: Bill Clinton, and it's good enough for Ronald Reagan, it's

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Speaker 1: good enough for America. But on the other hand, but

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Speaker 1: there's the word again, but that's good. But on the

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Speaker 1: other hand, you know, Clinton lied about his affair with

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Speaker 1: Monica Winsky. You won the PolitiFact Lie of the Year

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Speaker 1: award for describing Obamacare as a government takeover. So I

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Speaker 1: think the critique of you, and by the way, what

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Speaker 1: happened after a year after when it actually when it

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Speaker 1: is that a number? If you did your Google search,

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Speaker 1: you'd see that a number of newspapers wrote that, in fact,

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Speaker 1: I was correct, six million people lost their coverage. That

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Speaker 1: is a government ego of healthcare when they actually acknowledge, Well, no,

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Speaker 1: maybe you can't necessarily keep your doctor. In reality, but

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Speaker 1: that's not what you said. Was all that you said

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Speaker 1: it was a government takeover. It's not a government takeover.

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Speaker 1: It was a plan that was developed at the Conservative

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Speaker 1: Heritage Foundation. Look, once again, you are speaking in ways

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Speaker 1: that the American people do not feel. They cannot afford

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Speaker 1: your coat, they cannot afford your shirt. Does that give

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Speaker 1: you license to manipulate? Manipulate? It is the true incite

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Speaker 1: people to think things when they're not necessarily So you

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Speaker 1: think you think Obamacare is a tremendous success. No, do

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Speaker 1: you think Obamacare eight to ten million people were now insured,

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Speaker 1: they would call it a success. I think for the

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Speaker 1: other people who lost their insurance or their premiums went up,

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Speaker 1: it is not. Yes, And I have many friends who

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Speaker 1: have complained about that it is not a success. So

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Speaker 1: net net, I guess it's pretty neutral. Well, it depends

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Speaker 1: who you ask. We still have a majority of Americans

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Speaker 1: who say that it isn't successful, which doesn't happen. Social

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Speaker 1: Security was regarded as a success once it got started Medicare,

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Speaker 1: but the majority don't want it to be so, So

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Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a people were conflicted about it,

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Speaker 1: and it's not a government takeover. That's the question. The

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Speaker 1: government is now determining our healthcare. No, they're not. The

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Speaker 1: government determined what plans would be offered. You know what

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Speaker 1: we should wrap She's about to have a stroke. She

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Speaker 1: has because she's listening to you and going, wow, that

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Speaker 1: is just not really true. Hanging there though, I'll hang

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Speaker 1: in there. I'll get some more lectures. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm just enjoying watching the two of

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Speaker 1: you spar the two of us. We're not gonna be

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Speaker 1: around when Social Security goes belly up, but I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be around. Yes, you will be there. You'll have

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Speaker 1: a chance to experience it. You know, we we'd love

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Speaker 1: to have you back because actually we did want to

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of time talking about like, how you

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Speaker 1: got into this crazy business. I don't want to be

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Speaker 1: in the son of two Dennists. I want to check

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Speaker 1: out your teeth. Oh no, they're yellow. But not a

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Speaker 1: single cavity. I've never had a single cavity. But I

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Speaker 1: used to throw up in my father's chair. I felt

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Speaker 1: so bad for him. Really, yes, I I don't understand

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Speaker 1: what it is about Jews that we like to put

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Speaker 1: our hands in people's mouths. Just speak for yourself. There's

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Speaker 1: something in our religion that just Jews become Dennists. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what it is. So you used to vomit?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, why you're gagging reflex? Yes, and so what

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Speaker 1: we finally figured out is when I had to go

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Speaker 1: to the dentist, I was not allowed to eat for

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Speaker 1: a day. Now, I agree, I'm fat today, I'm in

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Speaker 1: shape if round is a shape. But when I was

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Speaker 1: a kid, I was a rail So my mother was

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Speaker 1: very conflicted a Jewish mom. What do we do. Do

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Speaker 1: we prevent Frankie from eating so he won't get sick

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Speaker 1: in Lester's chair? Or do we let him eat because

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Speaker 1: he's so thin that he looks like he could just

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Speaker 1: blow away and then he gets sick and all the

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Speaker 1: patients have to deal with it, so going to the

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Speaker 1: dentist is very traumatic. I was a child that's going

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Speaker 1: to say, so the next episode is going to be

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Speaker 1: frank lens no, Frankie l Frankie. Oh, my father used

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Speaker 1: to do that in public in front of al Haig.

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Speaker 1: I met Henry Kissinger with my dad and he would

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Speaker 1: always call me Frankie and they would look at me.

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Speaker 1: And then I realized as I got older that actually

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Speaker 1: the I e at the end of the name helps you,

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Speaker 1: because you can't really hate someone named Frankie, but you

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Speaker 1: can hate someone named frank I love hearing from Frank

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Speaker 1: about what people are saying, but I am hungry for solutions,

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Speaker 1: and I don't feel like anyone is talking enough about

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Speaker 1: how we improve the state of the country. And I

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Speaker 1: hope he'll come back when the candidates themselves start articulating

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Speaker 1: their visions to make the country better. Well. One of

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Speaker 1: the things that Frank said that really struck me is

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Speaker 1: the voters don't care that much about policy and solutions.

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Speaker 1: I think he really believes that they care about affect

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Speaker 1: and personality. And who seems to be telling it like

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Speaker 1: it is as opposed to who has the ten point

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Speaker 1: planned to fix infrastructure? And maybe that's not that interesting,

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Speaker 1: But just basing your vote on somebody who you know

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Speaker 1: is authentic and is channeling your anger that scares the

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Speaker 1: bejesuits out of me. Yeah. It was always funny to

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Speaker 1: me when I would see people in focus groups on

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Speaker 1: TV say, oh, well, I don't really care what they

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Speaker 1: stand for. I just want to know that you know

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Speaker 1: the person is authentic and he means what he says. Well,

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Speaker 1: policy really matters, and campaign promises are the best barometer

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Speaker 1: of what presidents are going to do in office. So

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Speaker 1: I think, no matter what you believe, we should pay

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Speaker 1: attention to what these people are saying in their ads

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Speaker 1: and speeches and definitely in the upcoming debates, and not

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Speaker 1: just their tweets. I'd love to hear what you think.

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Speaker 1: So the big question of the show today is do

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Speaker 1: you think America is in decline or are you optimistic

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Speaker 1: about the future. So give us a call at nine

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Speaker 1: to nine to four, four six, three seven, leave us

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Speaker 1: a voicemail, and as always I will be standing by

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Speaker 1: the phone. Poor Brian, you need to get a hobby. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: if you're hungry for more election coverage, you can check

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Speaker 1: out my fellow podcaster David Gregory. His recent honest and

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Speaker 1: in depth interview is with vice presidential nominee Tim Kane.

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Speaker 1: His show is called The David Gregory Show and you

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