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Speaker 7: It is Wednesday, April twenty fourth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 7: episode number four. It's a lot of twenties and fours
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Speaker 7: ready for the NFL Draft.
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Speaker 7: It starts tomorrow, Round one, tomorrow, Round two and three
Speaker 7: on Friday, and then the remainder of the rounds on
Speaker 7: Saturday will have wald all coverage. Brian will be a
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Speaker 4: Everybody.
Speaker 7: It's all hands on deck to cover the draft. We
Speaker 7: hope you will join us for that. But today I
Speaker 7: want to start first by talking a little bit about
Speaker 7: the press conference that happened yesterday. Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones,
Speaker 7: and Mike McCarthy all took some time with the media
Speaker 7: to answer questions, and it felt a little less about
Speaker 7: draft and a little more about team building one oh
Speaker 7: one and salary caps and everything else. But I want
Speaker 7: to first go around the room and just get general
Speaker 7: thoughts on what you heard from press conference, any particular
Speaker 7: things that stood out to you that you thought that
Speaker 7: you thought were particularly interesting.
Speaker 4: Briant's start start with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, this is my opinion coming from one O
Speaker 5: five to three, the fan from the outside of it
Speaker 5: in you know, I did the work here with you guys,
Speaker 5: But I felt like this is the first time Stephen
Speaker 5: Jones doesn't like to talk about contracts generally. He pointed
Speaker 5: the finger yesterday at the agent community a little bit
Speaker 5: on some of these contracts. And I mean this in
Speaker 5: a way that you know, when he was talking about, hey,
Speaker 5: these guys talk. These guys, you know, they have ideas,
Speaker 5: they know numbers and all that.
Speaker 2: You see.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys are a team like, hey, we're not going
Speaker 5: to comment about that. We're not going to combat I
Speaker 5: sent some frustration with Stephen Jones yesterday and the fact
Speaker 5: that he feels like that some of these agents again
Speaker 5: their ability to talk to each other and then maybe
Speaker 5: holding up deals. We always, I know, on our end
Speaker 5: of it, give the Cowboys a lot agree for what
Speaker 5: happens with some of these contracts. It's a two way street.
Speaker 5: My experience of working in the National Football League is
Speaker 5: you have to have people that are willing to make
Speaker 5: deals with you if you're going to do this. But
Speaker 5: a lot of us blame the Cowboys for not doing deals,
Speaker 5: and to me, I sensed frustration from Stephen Jones, which
Speaker 5: I'd never had before. But I felt like he pointed
Speaker 5: the finger at the agent community a little bit yesterday
Speaker 5: and said, listen, we'll do deals. It's going to be
Speaker 5: the right number, but we'll do deals. And so you know,
Speaker 5: and I think he's right. I think the first time,
Speaker 5: and this is my opinion, that the first time they
Speaker 5: did the Dak Prescott deal, you had an agent that
Speaker 5: was switching from one agency to another. He was not
Speaker 5: going to put new money with an old agency, and
Speaker 5: I think that's why you got held up on a deal.
Speaker 5: I think agents are holding up on deals now. We
Speaker 5: saw a big deal today for a wide receiver, which
Speaker 5: is good. The Lions got their deal done with Saint Brown.
Speaker 5: Good for them, but you have to have people that
Speaker 5: are willing to talk to you and willing to negotiate
Speaker 5: along the way. I sense frustration from Stephen Jones on
Speaker 5: that front.
Speaker 8: Yeah, there was definitely some frustration and a little bit
Speaker 8: of defensiveness from both Steven and Jerry as far as
Speaker 8: the team building, the questions that they were kind of
Speaker 8: violding back and forth, and it seems like it's a
Speaker 8: situation where if you go back and you look at
Speaker 8: last summer, you look at what they were able to
Speaker 8: do with Trevon Diggs and getting that deal done early, right,
Speaker 8: that's ideally with the Cowboys and how they would like
Speaker 8: to handle their cornerstone players.
Speaker 6: But it's a two way street.
Speaker 8: As Bran's saying, the agents, the representation for these players,
Speaker 8: they have to agree with the numbers that you're presenting.
Speaker 8: You have to agree with the numbers they're presenting. And
Speaker 8: then it's bigger than numbers. It's how how's the money
Speaker 8: breaking down, what's the term, et cetera, et cetera. So
Speaker 8: clearly there's some frustration there. It seems as if there're
Speaker 8: some frustrated with where they are in the cap as well,
Speaker 8: Jerry saying something like we we're embracing not having cap space. Obviously,
Speaker 8: that's not gonna go over well with fans because the
Speaker 8: fans are looking around the league. They're looking at teams
Speaker 8: like the Philadelphia Eagles and Howie Roseman. They're looking at
Speaker 8: what the Rams were able to do, you know, in
Speaker 8: the years preceding what ultimately turned out to be a
Speaker 8: Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: Then picks right and push the cap all right.
Speaker 8: They want to see the Cowboys be that kind of
Speaker 8: aggressive and finesse and massage the salary cap in those capacities.
Speaker 8: But Steven said, you know, the Cowboys, they're focused on
Speaker 8: making this draft one of the best ones ever.
Speaker 6: And now you don't really have a choice.
Speaker 8: That's that's kind of where you are because it has
Speaker 8: to be your defacto free agency. So biggest takeaway for
Speaker 8: me for me is that the Cowboys are frustrated that
Speaker 8: they don't have these deals done on at least one
Speaker 8: of their cornerstone players of the Big Three Micah, which
Speaker 8: is has a little bit more time, but CD and
Speaker 8: Dak you want those done right now. But interesting and
Speaker 8: interestingly enough, when I positioned the question in front of Jerry,
Speaker 8: Steven and Mike regarding the possibility of drafting a quarterback.
Speaker 8: If there's a premier quarterback steering you in the face
Speaker 8: at twenty four, you have uncertainty with Dak Prescott going forward.
Speaker 8: You have uncertainty with Trey Lance going forward. If it's
Speaker 8: steering you in the face, what do you do? And
Speaker 8: hence Jerry's reply, we want Dak Prescott And that was
Speaker 8: one of the more definitive statements that Jerry said on yesterday,
Speaker 8: and we'll get to that.
Speaker 7: I did have one question for you when you were
Speaker 7: talking about kind of how they've constructed the team. I
Speaker 7: kind of took the impression, or got the impression that
Speaker 7: what Jerry was saying was we've spent the last three
Speaker 7: four years being what they now. We can all question
Speaker 7: whether it really is aggressive, but they think over the
Speaker 7: last three or four years, they think that's been the
Speaker 7: period when they have been aggressive and they have surrounded
Speaker 7: Dak with premier talent and had one of the best
Speaker 7: rosters in the league.
Speaker 4: And now it's time to pay that bill.
Speaker 7: Like he kept going back to, hey, it's that credit card,
Speaker 7: like we've been paying, Yeah, we've been paying on that
Speaker 7: credit card roll and didn't work right. Exactly, That's exactly
Speaker 7: that it sounded to me was that essentially they were
Speaker 7: going these last several years, they've been pushing and we
Speaker 7: know every year we get to Austin and they'd be like,
Speaker 7: restructure this guy, restructured this guy.
Speaker 4: And it's not they were just trying.
Speaker 7: They were trying to hold it all together and give
Speaker 7: themselves a little more chance and keep that roster together.
Speaker 7: And now they're gonna have to embrace the fact that
Speaker 7: they don't have that flexibility anymore because the rules of
Speaker 7: NFL don't allow them to have that flexibilitynymore. And they
Speaker 7: got to pay the bill.
Speaker 8: It's not how you took it, that is how I
Speaker 8: took it. But it's two things are true. That's true,
Speaker 8: the bill will always come due. It's also true that
Speaker 8: there are levels of footness when it comes to the
Speaker 8: salary cap that I feel like the Cowboys could slightly
Speaker 8: improve upon. We talk about teams like the Eagles of
Speaker 8: the Rams. There are teams the New Orleans Saints in
Speaker 8: the Drew Brees era. There are teams that have shown
Speaker 8: that they're operating within the same rules, the same parameters
Speaker 8: that Jerry Jones and the Cowboys mentioned yesterday so vehemently.
Speaker 7: They've done that though, I guess is the question because
Speaker 7: the way I understand it, that day is coming from
Speaker 7: for the Eagles here in the next one, two three years.
Speaker 7: There's but and again we'll see, and I've said this
Speaker 7: on Twitter, Will hear Will we will see.
Speaker 2: Whether it gets the waiting.
Speaker 7: But that's where I look at it, and I'm like,
Speaker 7: if if I do know what happened for the Rams,
Speaker 7: and the Rams have to reset, and we saw that happen,
Speaker 7: but they want a championship and effectively, yeah, and they
Speaker 7: did a nice reset, but they also they did it
Speaker 7: with the draft. After they said f and picks, right,
Speaker 7: they figured out how to do it with the draft.
Speaker 7: They get a guy like pooking the coup and now
Speaker 7: they're back in the playoffs and ready to run.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: But but I think I think teams do have to
Speaker 7: go through this reset. It's a matter of how effectively
Speaker 7: they go through the reset when they get to this
Speaker 7: point where the bill comes due, because I think the
Speaker 7: bill does come to But it's also.
Speaker 6: The timing of the reset.
Speaker 8: So if you look at it contextually, for the Cowboys,
Speaker 8: look at the timing in which this reset is occurring.
Speaker 8: You are a head coach on this final year that
Speaker 8: you've not extended a quarterback of GB one, MVP front
Speaker 8: run under all pro record setter, final year of his
Speaker 8: deal not extended, Ceedee Lamb, arguably the best wide receiver
Speaker 8: in the league. You want to get him extended, Michael
Speaker 8: Parson's generational talent. The list goes on and on the
Speaker 8: timing of such a reset. It's working against them. But
Speaker 8: what also makes it that much worse. And we talked
Speaker 8: about this, and we talked about it offline all the time,
Speaker 8: and this is why they've been defending this statement. And
Speaker 8: Jerry kind of trolled everyone a bit with the statement
Speaker 8: all in the fact that Jerry said all in at
Speaker 8: the Senior Bowl, and he did playfully troll everyone by
Speaker 8: saying that again if he didn't attach that label to
Speaker 8: this offseason, only to find out that this offseason was
Speaker 8: going to be.
Speaker 6: The antithesis of that.
Speaker 8: That's what makes it that much more difficult for fans
Speaker 8: to try to compute what's the vision here, because you're right,
Speaker 8: this is likely a soft reset, maybe not a hard reset, but.
Speaker 4: They're not getting rid of all their parts, but it
Speaker 4: is somewhat, but the.
Speaker 6: Timing of it is just very, very bad.
Speaker 5: I think the thing that they're really they won't admit it,
Speaker 5: but they're pissed off that some of these contras didn't
Speaker 5: work out for him. I think that's the thing that's
Speaker 5: bothered them.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think I think if if you if.
Speaker 5: You had you pulled Steven aside and you had a
Speaker 5: scotch with him, the one thing if he said can
Speaker 5: you do something over he said, yeah, maybe some of
Speaker 5: these contracts I wouldn't have gone the.
Speaker 2: Way I did.
Speaker 5: You know that that didn't work out that And and Jerry,
Speaker 5: I think, brought it up about the money with Zeke
Speaker 5: and how it prevents you from signing Tyrant Smith. You
Speaker 5: know that maybe maybe some of these bad contracts that
Speaker 5: they Yeah, exactly, Zach Martin and we're at training camp.
Speaker 5: Were all sitting there and it's oh, it's day twenty
Speaker 5: six of Zach Martin holding out.
Speaker 2: You know, yeah, oh look out, yeah, you're about to
Speaker 2: get hit the ball.
Speaker 5: But but see, that's that's to me where I think
Speaker 5: that the fact that the bills come due, they're frustrated
Speaker 5: with the agent community, and that they're also in a
Speaker 5: situation where they made some bad deals. And I think
Speaker 5: that's the one thing that pisses them off. They they've
Speaker 5: made a bunch of bad deals in their life their
Speaker 5: business man. They've also made some great ones too. But
Speaker 5: I think if you, if you pulled them aside, they
Speaker 5: would say, if we had to do something over there
Speaker 5: are probably two or three incidents that they would look
Speaker 5: at and say, we would be better, we'd be in
Speaker 5: better shape if we just had done this. Our plan
Speaker 5: was this, but it wasn't good enough.
Speaker 9: See for me, it's easy. And if you guys, those
Speaker 9: who have not listened to the press conference, I highly
Speaker 9: suggest it because, like you guys mentioned, it's something different,
Speaker 9: very different than what we are used to watching and
Speaker 9: hearing from those guys Jerry Jones, Stephen jones E, and
Speaker 9: Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 2: So it was barely Jerry drugg him in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm good, Jerry made.
Speaker 2: Jerry made him an offensive line expert.
Speaker 9: What I was gonna say, so to me, And I've
Speaker 9: been one of those, and I'm not a cap expert,
Speaker 9: don't care to be one. It's very because so many
Speaker 9: different factors of it. It's so complicated.
Speaker 2: But I was one of.
Speaker 9: Those sitting on this show with you guys several months
Speaker 9: ago of like, Okay, why they have the ability or
Speaker 9: that they can restructor X, Y and Z, and they haven't,
Speaker 9: And it's easy to judge that way. And sure, maybe
Speaker 9: there are some contracts that is like, okay, they didn't
Speaker 9: pan out. And I highly, highly truly believe that they
Speaker 9: missed their chance last year. That was the year where
Speaker 9: they had everything needed to get.
Speaker 4: And they missed it in a way that was so.
Speaker 9: Just exactly so where I'm trying to get at. Once
Speaker 9: you start peeling all the layers and laying everything out,
Speaker 9: all the contracts and everything, and you start going through
Speaker 9: it and really analyzing everything, you start giving them some
Speaker 9: grace and thinking, okay, well crap, like you really you're
Speaker 9: really tied. You cannot do anything because it's not a
Speaker 9: one year it's not this year thing. You have to
Speaker 9: look at next year, the following year. You have to
Speaker 9: look even sometimes four years out to where things and
Speaker 9: the money is affecting you. So even though I don't
Speaker 9: know all the disclosures in contracts and all of that,
Speaker 9: it's not as simple. It's not as simple as because
Speaker 9: I've been there myself getting upset and being like why
Speaker 9: you see other teams doing this and that. But I
Speaker 9: do know this, Jerry Jones, he's a great businessman, so
Speaker 9: I know he has great people that know how to
Speaker 9: handle money and distribute and all of that. So I
Speaker 9: know there's a history there of people that are actually
Speaker 9: very very knowledgeable on the job and how to move
Speaker 9: money around. So anyways, the point is they had their chance.
Speaker 9: They're all in was last year, and then now they're
Speaker 9: just having to pay all the receipts.
Speaker 2: This is Jerry even said it.
Speaker 5: It's like you have your bank account, but you know,
Speaker 5: you have all these bills, and now you're giving plasma
Speaker 5: so you can get ten bucks so you can eat
Speaker 5: dinner that night. You know, you know your bank account
Speaker 5: looks really good, and then all of a sudden you
Speaker 5: realize you've got a month's where the bill's coming up.
Speaker 5: I think they're to the point now, and maybe it's
Speaker 5: maybe it's going to be sacrificed in the quarterback here.
Speaker 5: Maybe it is. I'm just I'm just saying they're looking
Speaker 5: at it. I think that we can't kick the can
Speaker 5: any further down the road.
Speaker 2: We can't.
Speaker 5: We've kicked it as far as we can as a group.
Speaker 5: We agreed last year was their best opportunity. Now you
Speaker 5: have to pay the bill. We've all had a great dinner,
Speaker 5: you know, we're all we're all liquored up and ready
Speaker 5: to go home, you know. But somebody's got to pay
Speaker 5: the bill. And now they're having to pay that bill.
Speaker 5: And they, yeah, do they have the money, do they
Speaker 5: have the switches? Sure they can't. I think they're to
Speaker 5: the point that they've made the decision like we've kicked
Speaker 5: this can as far as we can. We can't do
Speaker 5: it anymore. And so that's why I think they're in
Speaker 5: the position from there in right.
Speaker 8: Now, I was going to say, here's here's because I
Speaker 8: like to put on different hats to look at things
Speaker 8: from different angles. So from a Jerry Jones Stephen Jones' perspective,
Speaker 8: salary cap, yes, they don't want to kick the can.
Speaker 8: They can restructures digs and Malik Hooker and it can happen,
Speaker 8: but they don't want to because that bill is the bill.
Speaker 8: But then put on Mike McCarthy's head. Now, he will
Speaker 8: never show this visibly, and he might not even it
Speaker 8: might not even be an internal thought for him. But
Speaker 8: if I'm Mike McCarthy and I know that I only
Speaker 8: have this final year to prove myself what you're basically
Speaker 8: asking me to do, which is fine because I'm up
Speaker 8: to the task. But the reality is the reality is
Speaker 8: that you're asking me to deliver you at a super
Speaker 8: Bowl esque.
Speaker 6: Run with a lot of young talent.
Speaker 8: Well that you're asking to step up, which you will
Speaker 8: include a class full of rookies.
Speaker 5: But you but you know, last year, I gave you
Speaker 5: a team with all these pro bowlers and so you
Speaker 5: know what, Mike McCarthy, really, honestly, and I'm not saying
Speaker 5: this to be mean, he doesn't have a leg to
Speaker 5: stand on right now. If you look at the way
Speaker 5: we're talking right now, if you look at last year
Speaker 5: as the all in best chance as as an organization,
Speaker 5: they didn't deliver. And he's he's at the top of that,
Speaker 5: the general managers at the top of the list, but
Speaker 5: then the head coach is the next. So Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 5: as he looks at this, he's now going to have
Speaker 5: to play the hand he's dealt. He had a winning hand,
Speaker 5: He had a winning hand at the table, and but
Speaker 5: they drew the dealer drew a straight flush on him
Speaker 5: or something, you know, I mean, cards you know how
Speaker 5: that goes. He had the hand to win, they didn't deliver,
Speaker 5: and now he's got to look at this and say,
Speaker 5: I had my chance.
Speaker 2: If they move on, you know, I don't like it,
Speaker 2: but I understand.
Speaker 7: But I think also I'm growing a little tired of
Speaker 7: the conversation that paints the picture that the Cowboys are.
Speaker 7: Now this team that has no talent like.
Speaker 2: That is, they'll never be bad.
Speaker 7: They when you say, when you say, well, he's kind
Speaker 7: of dealt his hand with the team, I look at it.
Speaker 7: I really saw this and it was interesting. It was
Speaker 7: on one O five dot three the Fan the other morning.
Speaker 7: I heard Sean and r J and Bobby. They were
Speaker 7: citing an article where this this rider had done used
Speaker 7: artificial intelligence to be able to identify the rosters and
Speaker 7: rate the rosters a crown in the NFL.
Speaker 4: You want to know a Dallas fell in that number seven,
Speaker 4: number seven, And.
Speaker 7: I'm like, okay, so yes, it's not as good a
Speaker 7: roster as last year because it lost a lot of
Speaker 7: its depth. One thing we know about this scene is
Speaker 7: they tend to draft pretty well, so they'll.
Speaker 2: Replenish some of them. They will never be bad for
Speaker 2: that reason.
Speaker 4: They will of that. Maybe they won't get it all back,
Speaker 4: but they'll replenish some of that.
Speaker 7: This is still a good enough roster to go where
Speaker 7: you want to go this next year. Now, who knows
Speaker 7: what it'll be beyond that, Because again I look at it,
Speaker 7: when people start saying they have all these levers they
Speaker 7: can pull, it's like a person that's now falling into well,
Speaker 7: they're already in a hole and you're throwing them a
Speaker 7: shovel instead of a rope, like if you Yeah, they
Speaker 7: can push these levers, but pushing these revers stuff is
Speaker 7: just going to worsen the problem, is going to put
Speaker 7: them farther down in that hole.
Speaker 4: I agree, It just doesn't solve the problem.
Speaker 7: So it's not really a solution to say you can
Speaker 7: push these you can pull these levers and restructure these
Speaker 7: guys and push the money down the road. You really
Speaker 7: don't have that flexibility anymore. It's best to say, let
Speaker 7: me pay my bill, let me get out of debt,
Speaker 7: let me be fiscally responsible, and then I can restart
Speaker 7: and say, Okay, now I can get aggressive again. I
Speaker 7: got my money back to where I need to have
Speaker 7: it right now I can get aggressive again.
Speaker 4: I think that's how you have to.
Speaker 5: I just never feel like I feel like this team
Speaker 5: will always be in this I don't mean this is
Speaker 5: a slam to Jason Garrett. They'll always be an eight
Speaker 5: and eight team. As long as they let these guys.
Speaker 4: Drafty, they will figure this out.
Speaker 5: They will find a quarterback, they will find talent around
Speaker 5: as long as they let them pick players, you know,
Speaker 5: give them compensatories, let them assign you to undrafted free agents,
Speaker 5: maybe dabble in the free agent market a little bit
Speaker 5: if they can. They're just too good at personnel here,
Speaker 5: you know, they really are. They know they'll never be
Speaker 5: that now. They'll lose players, but they will find ways
Speaker 5: to replace these guys.
Speaker 8: And let's be clear because and I'm on the record
Speaker 8: of saying this, but let's be clear for those that
Speaker 8: are listening.
Speaker 6: I believe the Cowboys have plenty of talent. Right. So
Speaker 6: if you go back to the statement, it's youth.
Speaker 8: So if I'm putting on the McCarthy had, it's not
Speaker 8: that I'm concerned about the talent. It's the youth and
Speaker 8: that lack of experience and a lot of unproven guys.
Speaker 8: Look at your running backs room, for example, before you
Speaker 8: enter this draft, it's a lot of unproven experience, and
Speaker 8: you're looking at these unproven guys and saying, you have
Speaker 8: to take us to a super Bowl. You have to
Speaker 8: help us go to a super Bowl. Now, of course, again,
Speaker 8: as a coach, particularly a guy's competitive is Mike McCarthy,
Speaker 8: you're taking that challenge on head on. And I love
Speaker 8: what you said, and that doesn't really have a leg
Speaker 8: stand on. And to that point though, combining with what
Speaker 8: you said, yes, the Cowboys have a lot of talent
Speaker 8: on this roster, but they hemorrhaged talent and talent and
Speaker 8: free agency. So if their best shot in recent memory,
Speaker 8: like you said, was this past January and that fell
Speaker 8: short with that roster, and to your own admission, the
Speaker 8: current roster as we have this conversation is less talented,
Speaker 8: still talented, but less talented than the roster that failed
Speaker 8: in January. Now you can see where fans get concern.
Speaker 5: But that's where Sam Williams and Tolbert and these guys
Speaker 5: as Tolbert is is Tolbert needs to play better because
Speaker 5: Michael Gallup's gone, you know, and all those edge rushers
Speaker 5: are now gone, Armstrong Fowler, Sam Williams you need to
Speaker 5: step up and play better. You know, Junior Forjoco, they
Speaker 5: drafted you for a reason. You know, you have to
Speaker 5: figure out a way. Mozzie Smith, you got to figure
Speaker 5: this thing out, you know. So to me, they the talent.
Speaker 5: The talent we talk about young talent. They've got talented
Speaker 5: football players. The problem is they've got to play like
Speaker 5: talented football players.
Speaker 7: And you ain't always a problem. Look at the Green
Speaker 7: Bay Packers, look at the Houston Texas from last year.
Speaker 7: Both rosters were just litany of young guys who were
Speaker 7: just getting into the NFL and figuring.
Speaker 4: It out and got the opportunity.
Speaker 7: So if we trust the fact that they can draft, well,
Speaker 7: then trust these guys to get out there and play
Speaker 7: and let's see what they can do when you give
Speaker 7: them that responsibility.
Speaker 2: You're about to see that absolutely.
Speaker 7: And by the way, I want to see I want
Speaker 7: to see some guys that they that they mentioned, like
Speaker 7: a Sam william We're gonna get into some of this
Speaker 7: a little bit late.
Speaker 4: We're gonna take a.
Speaker 7: Break, but I want to see a guy like a
Speaker 7: Sam Williams, if you give him more opportunity, what does
Speaker 7: he do with it?
Speaker 4: Because maybe we don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm just but it's true. Like there's all these for
Speaker 2: or that you used to take. I take a lot
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 4: You don't use it all, use it all.
Speaker 5: I lost it all in a press box and Dallas,
Speaker 5: and I hope he went right out the way.
Speaker 4: All right, we're gonna take our first bake. We're gonna
Speaker 4: come back.
Speaker 7: We're gonna dive into the actual draft a little bit more.
Speaker 7: Talk about the defensive side of the ball, some areas
Speaker 7: where we think the Cowboys may need some help, and
Speaker 7: maybe get some names of some guys that you should
Speaker 7: be aware of heading into the draft tomorrow. Well that
Speaker 7: when we come back Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio.
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Speaker 7: side of the ball heading into the draft. Got a
Speaker 7: simple question for you guys, which would you think of
Speaker 7: these three areas is the biggest area that Dallas needs
Speaker 7: to focus on in the draft this year? Defensive tackle,
Speaker 7: defensive end or linebacker?
Speaker 14: Jump in Garcia, what do you think defensive tackle, defensive end,
Speaker 14: or a linebacker.
Speaker 9: That's a tough question because I have my doubts on
Speaker 9: defensive tackle and linebacker. Okay, right now, I think I
Speaker 9: trust a little bit more the linebacker position than the
Speaker 9: defensive tackle. And that says a lot because you got
Speaker 9: the Marvin Overshan coming back from an injury, highly unknown.
Speaker 9: He's only played, you know, in the preseason, and that's it.
Speaker 9: Then you got you do have the veteran that you
Speaker 9: sign and there's some experience there. Yeah, he.
Speaker 2: His age. I don't know.
Speaker 9: I'm still like I'm wanting to see even though we've
Speaker 9: talked about him and all of that, but he he
Speaker 9: has the experience with Mike Zimmer and all of that
Speaker 9: that he brings in. But going back to defensive tackle,
Speaker 9: and I get it, Massy Smith. I trust the evaluation
Speaker 9: and the reason that he got drafted in the first
Speaker 9: round and everything, but right now, nothing that I saw
Speaker 9: last year. And that this doesn't mean that I'm giving
Speaker 9: up on him at all whatsoever. This is his second
Speaker 9: year and I'm excited to see if he has grown there.
Speaker 9: But I just don't I feel like I trust the
Speaker 9: position at the moment, especially with all the issues that
Speaker 9: you had at stopping the run. The linebacker shoot help
Speaker 9: by that as well, but at the moment I have
Speaker 9: defensive tackle a little higher than linebacker.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one of the best players on the in the
Speaker 5: draft is a defensive tackle Byron Murphy from Texas, but
Speaker 5: he's a three technique. The problem you're running into is
Speaker 5: you don't have a true one technique here because you're
Speaker 5: trying to figure out what you're gonna do with Mazzi.
Speaker 5: You've lost the depth with Hankins walking out the door
Speaker 5: and others, so you really don't have a one this
Speaker 5: draft isn't particularly deep for one technique guys either. McKinley
Speaker 5: Jackson from Texas A and M is a guy that's
Speaker 5: a three hundred and twenty six pound guy. He's probably
Speaker 5: a fourth round pick on a lot of boards. You
Speaker 5: don't have a fourth round pick. You have a pick
Speaker 5: at eighty seven unless you get another pick, and you're
Speaker 5: you know, that's to me, that's it would be. It's
Speaker 5: a little bit of a reach if you pick him
Speaker 5: at eight. Now you're trying to use valuable third round
Speaker 5: draft capital to make up for a position that you
Speaker 5: drafted last year in the first round because you're not sure.
Speaker 5: The linebacker position goes a little bit deeper here. I
Speaker 5: think these linebackers on your board are kind of trade
Speaker 5: back guys. If say some of these offensive linemen are
Speaker 5: not on the board for you, or you don't like
Speaker 5: the particular tackle or your center's not there, then maybe
Speaker 5: you can find a way to trade back. And then
Speaker 5: this is where Peyton Wilson, the linebacker from North Carolina
Speaker 5: State comes into play. Cooper from Texas A and M
Speaker 5: comes in play. Colston the linebacker from Michigan comes into
Speaker 5: play here. So to me, it's the linebacker gets addressed
Speaker 5: on a trade back potentially first the defensive tackle, unless
Speaker 5: you want to take Byron Murphy. And again that's a
Speaker 5: three technique jump up to get him though, right, That's
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. There's some people that feel like that,
Speaker 5: maybe that if he were to slide, if he were
Speaker 5: the one guy that all of a sudden, there's such
Speaker 5: a run on offensive players that they lose track of
Speaker 5: Byron Murphy, then you know, that might be the best
Speaker 5: player on your board. Yeah, but he plays a position
Speaker 5: that you you have. Oh soo Diggy'swa who I think
Speaker 5: is a really good player, but he, you know, Murphy
Speaker 5: and Osa. Yeah, it'd be great to have those two
Speaker 5: rush in the passer, but we still haven't addressed the
Speaker 5: one technique. Now does that Mazie Smith? You know, we'll
Speaker 5: see how that plays. But I only feel like that
Speaker 5: the defensive players will be there or potential for the
Speaker 5: drafting of a defensive player if it's a trade back,
Speaker 5: that's where I think that that's and I think they
Speaker 5: would probably address the linebacker before they would address the
Speaker 5: defensive tackle. Would be my guest as well.
Speaker 8: Uh, I'm obviously a build defense from the front to
Speaker 8: the back type guy. So my inclination is to say
Speaker 8: defensive tackles. But going into the draft, before they make
Speaker 8: any any selection, I keep defaulting to the linebackers only
Speaker 8: because there are more and bigger un knowns at linebacker.
Speaker 8: So at linebacker, as it stands, you have de mont Clark,
Speaker 8: you have Eric Kendricks, and then you have which basically
Speaker 8: will be a red shirt and de Marveon Overshown coming
Speaker 8: back from a torn acl so he has to get
Speaker 8: back to form health wise, and then he has to
Speaker 8: get through the rookie learning curve at one of the
Speaker 8: more cerebral positions in professional football. But when you look
Speaker 8: at the defensive tackle position, yes we have questions on
Speaker 8: what will Masi Smith look like in year two? What
Speaker 8: will his weight look like in year two? Is he
Speaker 8: going to be at three held to a three? At
Speaker 8: current weight? They're looking to bulk him up, but is
Speaker 8: it going to be bulky enough to put him back
Speaker 8: at one at the nose tackle?
Speaker 6: But that's not as concerning.
Speaker 8: It is concerning, but it's not as concerning as de
Speaker 8: Marveion over shown and how quickly can he get to
Speaker 8: form and become potentially a premier linebacker in this league.
Speaker 8: We talked about Osa outstanding talent. I have no concerns
Speaker 8: about Osa other than he's going into a contract year.
Speaker 8: We'll talk about that when we need to talk about that.
Speaker 8: But is ready to go right Chauncey Ghoston, He's shown
Speaker 8: flashes mostly a special teams guy, but when he's been
Speaker 8: given the chance rotationally on defense, particularly on the back
Speaker 8: half of last season, he showed some good signs. Concern
Speaker 8: there as far as unproving, but there's a potential to
Speaker 8: do something there. So even before they make another pick,
Speaker 8: or before they make a single pick, the defensive tackle
Speaker 8: position in a vacuum, to me, is more important than
Speaker 8: the linebacker position. But based on the pieces that are
Speaker 8: on the table, I'm more concerned about linebacker than I
Speaker 8: am defense.
Speaker 9: Especially like Ryan said, I mean, just using the pick
Speaker 9: last year on Mazie, it's hard to imagine them picking
Speaker 9: someone at the defensive tackle a high pick.
Speaker 5: This draft stretch is pretty good for you on the edges,
Speaker 5: so I wasn't worried so much about grabbing an edge.
Speaker 5: I think that you're going to have to be creative
Speaker 5: to get a defensive tackle, though, especially one if you're
Speaker 5: on a one technique.
Speaker 2: And it might be a little bit of a reach.
Speaker 5: Uh, And that's the hope that if you pick up,
Speaker 5: if you say you drop back to you can go back. Heck,
Speaker 5: you could go back to Tampa and pick up a
Speaker 5: fourth round pick that that's helpful. That's only going a
Speaker 5: couple of spots, but you know it would be it
Speaker 5: would really benefit you if you could grab a Day
Speaker 5: three early pick, because when you pick at eighty seven
Speaker 5: and you don't pick again until one seventy one, that
Speaker 5: is a long day of all of a sudden, guys
Speaker 5: going off that board and you're just watching them and
Speaker 5: you and you have no way unless you jump back
Speaker 5: in somehow and stop the bleeding. You can't call it
Speaker 5: twenty second time out and try and get back. You know,
Speaker 5: maybe you do, but uh, it's the trading back aspect
Speaker 5: of this. If their guy's not there, I think they
Speaker 5: have to be prepared to try and go back. And heck,
Speaker 5: you could take this thing all the way back to
Speaker 5: Kansas City at thirty two and pick up a three
Speaker 5: and pick up a four, and that would do you
Speaker 5: some great things.
Speaker 7: You get a three and a four. Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: that could be huge.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you trade to San Francisco, you trade to Baltimore.
Speaker 5: Baltimore's a team I don't think will come up. Baltimore
Speaker 5: is a team that traditionally will just sit there and
Speaker 5: good players fall to them. Happens every single year I've
Speaker 5: ever been involved with a draft. So I think aggressive teams.
Speaker 5: Buffalo aggressive team. I think San Francisco is an aggressive team.
Speaker 5: I think Kansas City is a very aggressive team. Those
Speaker 5: are guys. Maybe even Arizona at twenty seven might be
Speaker 5: a team that you start to talk about. There's some
Speaker 5: people we were doing the Draft show, Nick Harris was
Speaker 5: talking about maybe trading this thing all the way back
Speaker 5: into the top of the second round, you know, looking
Speaker 5: to pick thirty four to thirty five and picking up
Speaker 5: some draft capital that way. They might feel like that
Speaker 5: is a better way to operate than just going ahead
Speaker 5: and picking a player at twenty four.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Bottom line is the Cowboys have to go into this
Speaker 8: draft not even considering but knowing that they're going to
Speaker 8: have to get at least one trade back done, hopefully
Speaker 8: more than one they need. They're going in with only
Speaker 8: seven picks, with three in the top one hundred. If
Speaker 8: they're going to have to get more in the top
Speaker 8: one hundred, preferably more, and you know at top one
Speaker 8: fifty at worst. So if you look at shameless plug,
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Speaker 8: Brian brings up an excellent point Kansas City. I played
Speaker 8: around with maybe trading on Kansas City going back to
Speaker 8: thirty two, get that third a fourth. I ultimately ended
Speaker 8: up with two two trade backs the Lions from twenty
Speaker 8: four to twenty nine, and I got the Lions seventy
Speaker 8: third to third pick, seventy third overall pick. And then
Speaker 8: when I went on the clock at thirty one, guess
Speaker 8: what the forty nine ers wanted to call and make
Speaker 8: an offer because they're unsure about Brandon Ayuk right potentially,
Speaker 8: so got their third round pick, which is ninety fourth overall.
Speaker 8: So before I even went on the clock at thirty one,
Speaker 8: I had two third round picks. Point being the Cowboys
Speaker 8: need to both be making the calls and fielding the
Speaker 8: calls and being open to see what they can do.
Speaker 8: I do think it's possible that they trade out of
Speaker 8: the first round entirely. My only asterisk to that is
Speaker 8: this is a team that recently hasn't been successful at
Speaker 8: getting deals done on their premier talent early, which means
Speaker 8: they probably want that fifth year of control over their
Speaker 8: first round pick. So keep that in mind when you're
Speaker 8: considering how willing or unwilling the Cowboys might be able
Speaker 8: to trade out of the first round.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that means to your point, on your Detroit trade,
Speaker 5: that's about a two to twenty five different some point differential,
Speaker 5: and that would be a massive overpay for Detroit. But
Speaker 5: how bad do they want a player? Sometimes you can
Speaker 5: get a team that really wants a player and you
Speaker 5: could get a massive overpay on that.
Speaker 8: So and to qualify that because Detroit correct me if
Speaker 8: I'm wrong, they don't have a fourth round pick. They don't,
Speaker 8: so they put the fifth round pick on the table
Speaker 8: along with their first for the swap. Fifth round pick
Speaker 8: wasn't enough, Not enough? I said no, And you don't
Speaker 8: have a fourth which would have been the sweet spot.
Speaker 8: So you got to come to the third and they
Speaker 8: I was taking JC Latham, which makes sense.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about Detroit as a possible not trade
Speaker 5: back because I think they're going to have to give
Speaker 5: up next year's assets to do it. Now, I can't
Speaker 5: play with next year's assets I have to think about
Speaker 5: so to me, to me, another thing you need to
Speaker 5: be concerned about is I don't think that if you
Speaker 5: look at this draft, Minnesota is picking ahead of you
Speaker 5: right now at twenty three. I would bet that somebody
Speaker 5: other than Minnesota is going to pick ahead of you.
Speaker 2: So there's another.
Speaker 5: Team that might have a need that you have that's
Speaker 5: all of a sudden. I mean, keep an eye on
Speaker 5: New England diving out of there, you know, and listening
Speaker 5: and talking to their folks about it, their shopping their pick.
Speaker 5: So you know, if Minnesota could package their two picks
Speaker 5: and go up and get their quarterback, like I say,
Speaker 5: there could be somebody very very different other than Minnesota
Speaker 5: picking ahead of you. And that's something you have to
Speaker 5: worry about.
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Speaker 7: So let's let's dive and I want to get some
Speaker 7: some ideas, predictions from you guys of what you think
Speaker 7: is going to happen. Let's start first with the first pick,
Speaker 7: and I'd like to know from you guys two things. One,
Speaker 7: who do you think they'll pick?
Speaker 2: Two?
Speaker 4: Who do you want them to pick?
Speaker 5: I personally, I'll start this off because I'm supposed to
Speaker 5: be the draft expert here. I'm a big fan of
Speaker 5: Jackson Powers Johnson, the center from Oregon. I'm starting to
Speaker 5: hear some more medical improvements. There were some things I
Speaker 5: was very concerned about. I talked to two or three
Speaker 5: different teams about. I have not talked to the Cowboys
Speaker 5: about what they think about his medical condition, but he's
Speaker 5: the best center in the draft. I've gone on record.
Speaker 5: I feel like that this team has to find a center,
Speaker 5: and if you're going to draft and need that's go
Speaker 5: for the first one. That's center. I think is the
Speaker 5: one position that I would look at. I'd love for
Speaker 5: them to be able to draft him. I think that
Speaker 5: when you look at Barton from Duke is another possibility there.
Speaker 5: You're gonna have to walk a minefield in front of you,
Speaker 5: and everybody once again knows I was trying to alert
Speaker 5: you about that Minnesota pick. And if it's not Minnesota,
Speaker 5: it could be somebody else. It could be somebody that's
Speaker 5: going to sell. Maybe that team's going to sell the pick.
Speaker 5: We've Dallas has had this happen to them a couple
Speaker 5: of different times where there's such a need. Everybody's thinking
Speaker 5: that Dallas needs a center, Dallas needs a tackles. You know,
Speaker 5: all of a sudden, you get a team like Buffalo
Speaker 5: last year. A couple of years we traded ahead of
Speaker 5: you for a tight end. You know, we've seen teams
Speaker 5: try and trade ahead. Philadelphia did it one year for Dallas.
Speaker 5: Godd Or traded ahead of you because they thought you
Speaker 5: were going to take a tight end. So if if
Speaker 5: you know, Dallas is trying to keep this very quiet
Speaker 5: and very much buttoned up. But man, if if they
Speaker 5: can draft one of these centers Powers Johnson from Oregon
Speaker 5: Barton from a Duke, I think that would go a
Speaker 5: long way to helping them fix some of the things
Speaker 5: that are dealing.
Speaker 2: They're dealing with this offensive line.
Speaker 9: Well, do not look on me for information about the draft,
Speaker 9: and do not look at me for any any.
Speaker 2: Other tackle or center, which is if you had.
Speaker 9: A center center but the on the main guide. And
Speaker 9: I'm trying to think if it's because I've made my
Speaker 9: own opinion about Powers Johnson, or if it's because I've
Speaker 9: been kind of secretly brainwashed because I've seen his name everywhere,
Speaker 9: so maybe you know, you start getting seen things everywhere
Speaker 9: and just plants into your brain. But he's a guy
Speaker 9: that has attracted me a lot, and that I can
Speaker 9: see him fit pretty well with the Cowboys and the
Speaker 9: Olne and be a plugging guy immediately and hopefully not
Speaker 9: have a huge growing curve to do. But I do
Speaker 9: still think that the Cowboys will be trading back. However,
Speaker 9: there's still the possibility of getting a guy like Powers Johnson,
Speaker 9: and he regardless if it's not him, my pick would
Speaker 9: be whatever pick they make first O line. It has
Speaker 9: to be and I have I trusted a lot in
Speaker 9: the sense that so far, what the Cowboys have done
Speaker 9: over the years, they've been very successful. I've often linemen
Speaker 9: offensive linemen, So I trust that whoever they do pick
Speaker 9: and go for would be a guy that will be
Speaker 9: efficient and good for the Cowboys, not only this year,
Speaker 9: for years to come.
Speaker 2: That's well said.
Speaker 8: I think they're open minded in the aspect of like
Speaker 8: you said, offensive linemen, right, I think it's just down
Speaker 8: to center versus tackle, and they'll see how the board
Speaker 8: falls there. I think what will work in their favor.
Speaker 8: If you're like Amball, if you're like Brian and if
Speaker 8: you've read my mock massive spoiler, my first round pick
Speaker 8: is Jackson Powers Johnson. That's who I absolutely want. But
Speaker 8: the medical situation, and I'm glad to hear that it's improving.
Speaker 5: It is. I talked to two teams again, I did
Speaker 5: not talk to the Cowboys, but talk to two different teams,
Speaker 5: and there were some concerns with some various things, and
Speaker 5: they're like, no, no, no, clean, this is clean on
Speaker 5: some of these areas that have the concerns.
Speaker 8: So what I'm wondering is because of the presence. I
Speaker 8: hope they think that as well. Because of the presence
Speaker 8: of those medical concerns, regardless of which teams are worried
Speaker 8: about them or not, you don't necessarily have those with
Speaker 8: the guys like Graham Barton, which I believe that's going
Speaker 8: to make Barton go off of the board. And if
Speaker 8: reports as early as this morning, if they hold true,
Speaker 8: and teams are making a run on offensive tackles, and
Speaker 8: that's going to push the Cowboys more so the center.
Speaker 8: And I think Barton has gone before they even go
Speaker 8: on the clock at twenty four. I think that Powers
Speaker 8: Johnson is someone that you could trade back right potentially
Speaker 8: get a fourth or a third, and still he'll be
Speaker 8: there for you later in the first round. So I
Speaker 8: would love That's my dream scenario is that you can
Speaker 8: go back even thirty one, thirty two, whatever you need
Speaker 8: to gotwe in the thirties, and you'll still get Jackson,
Speaker 8: Powers Johnson, and I just have visions of him, you know.
Speaker 8: Book ended by Zach Martin and Tyler Smith. You talk
Speaker 8: about fixing the run game, you talk about protecting the
Speaker 8: middle of the middle of the offensive line. Those are
Speaker 8: three bullies. That's what I want to see.
Speaker 5: And I love what you're saying. I think you're going
Speaker 5: to have to draft the center. I think if I
Speaker 5: trade back, I could take one of these tackles. And
Speaker 5: you know the names, but there's some names that I
Speaker 5: think that when you when you look at Fatanu.
Speaker 2: From Washington is a possible name.
Speaker 5: I asked somebody about Latham in the league as a
Speaker 5: general manager, about Latham from Alabama, he said, he says,
Speaker 5: he ain't getting to you. Brian uh Geiton has been
Speaker 5: a very very popular name. The name you need to
Speaker 5: keep an eye on is Morgan from Arizona. If they
Speaker 5: trade back into this thing, keep an eye on that particular.
Speaker 5: I think they could play him at guard or they
Speaker 5: could playm at tackle there. He's really a talented player.
Speaker 5: We talked about him a bunch on the Draft show
Speaker 5: very early, and then like media scouts kind of fell
Speaker 5: off from him, and then he became a guy that
Speaker 5: was kind of a late one, maybe early too. So
Speaker 5: Dallas trades back in that because maybe the Sinners are
Speaker 5: wiped out and and and Patrick, I'm not poop pooing
Speaker 5: your idea about Powers Johnson in the trade back situation,
Speaker 5: but like I say, if the medical stuff is improving
Speaker 5: if people are like there was, there was a legitimate
Speaker 5: scare about him and the medical conditions, and like I say,
Speaker 5: I had had a general manager tell me, no, this,
Speaker 5: this is what the league is going to see with
Speaker 5: this guy now. So I kind of feel like those
Speaker 5: centers might be the premium. The tackle depth stretches a
Speaker 5: little bit more so if you go back to that
Speaker 5: thirty one, thirty two, maybe even come out of the
Speaker 5: second round. I would keep an eye on Morgan from Arizona, you.
Speaker 4: Know how I would.
Speaker 7: I would love for them to come away from this
Speaker 7: draft with Barton, and it's not necessarily for what he
Speaker 7: does right now, although I think he can step in
Speaker 7: immediately and be your center and be a really good
Speaker 7: center for you. I like his flexibility, and I'm looking
Speaker 7: at two to three years down the road. Let's say
Speaker 7: Zach Martin, as we know, he's coming closer to the
Speaker 7: end of his career. If you've already got a guy
Speaker 7: that has that ability where now you have to you
Speaker 7: can pop him out to guard if you need it to.
Speaker 7: If Zach Martin should say retire in the next one
Speaker 7: to three years, that feels really right to me and
Speaker 7: That's why I like a guy like Barton who has
Speaker 7: that flexibility, because I do think right now, your offensive
Speaker 7: line is in a little bit of a I.
Speaker 2: Feel like TJ. Masis.
Speaker 5: They will tell you they feel like the t J.
Speaker 5: Bass is a better right guard than left and left.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So at the end of the day, I love
Speaker 4: the flexibility.
Speaker 7: You're not you're not having that flexibility, like when they
Speaker 7: selected Tyler Smith, like the no one projected necessarily to
Speaker 7: be your guard. He was going to be the tackle,
Speaker 7: right but he got it guard and he was really
Speaker 7: good at it. So I just like the flexibility there
Speaker 7: give a guy that can play.
Speaker 5: There's people that there's people that feel like that. What
Speaker 5: if you drafted Barton and you turn around and drafted
Speaker 5: another center and you played Barton at guard and then okay,
Speaker 5: maybe you maybe they don't want to move Tyler Smith,
Speaker 5: but would you now you play Barton at guard, you
Speaker 5: played Tyler Smith that left tackle, and then now you've
Speaker 5: drafted uh Norzad from the Penn State center like in
Speaker 5: the fourth round. You know, if you get a fourth round,
Speaker 5: you get one of those extra picks.
Speaker 4: And that might be an optimal five, right, That's.
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying that if you they could double
Speaker 5: dip on these offensive.
Speaker 8: Line, and I would, and I did in the muck,
Speaker 8: And you mentioned flexibility, so in on my round three,
Speaker 8: So in that seventy third overall that I was able
Speaker 8: to get from the Lions, and maybe he falls to
Speaker 8: eighty seven.
Speaker 6: Who knows.
Speaker 8: Dominique Pooney from Kansas, Absolutely he's flexible.
Speaker 2: Got him in the right spot right.
Speaker 8: You put him at guard, he can do some damage.
Speaker 8: You put him at tackle. He won awards last year
Speaker 8: for Kansas at left tackle. So that gives you also
Speaker 8: that added flexibility that you're looking for. And that's a
Speaker 8: guy strong, quick for his size, and he's a guy
Speaker 8: who can come in and be a starter immediately and
Speaker 8: down the road posts Zach Martin. It gives you that
Speaker 8: much more firepower to say, Okay, well we know you
Speaker 8: do well at left tackle, maybe we try you.
Speaker 2: Hear me.
Speaker 8: But to Bryne's point, I do think TJ. Pass is
Speaker 8: your post Zach Martin right anymore, But keep keep an
Speaker 8: eye on.
Speaker 2: Poony.
Speaker 5: Is del Mark Glaze from Maryland's another guy. I mean,
Speaker 5: here's a guy that's played left and right tackle for
Speaker 5: Maryland and projected as a guard. So at six four,
Speaker 5: three hundred and fifteen pounds, he wins. He's got body position,
Speaker 5: he plays with leverage, he's he's engaged a lot, he shuffles, slide.
Speaker 5: I mean, there's a lot of things about Poonye from Maryland.
Speaker 2: Those are two really good players.
Speaker 7: But I love the fact that the conversation is centered
Speaker 7: around the offensive line because I think when you got
Speaker 7: a young team and they're in the position from as
Speaker 7: Jerry talked about it yesterday, where they're going to have
Speaker 7: to pay the bill and all those kinds of things,
Speaker 7: the best thing you can do is solidify your line,
Speaker 7: can soililify your lines. That's the best thing you can
Speaker 7: do for a young team because no matter what other
Speaker 7: the other pieces are.
Speaker 4: That you may be able to keep or have to get.
Speaker 2: Enjoy that Byron Murphy pick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, hey, good line. We're talking about the lines.
Speaker 4: We're talking about the lines, offensive defensive line. Give me
Speaker 4: the line, all right. We appreciate you guys.
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