1 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: From Meat Eaters World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: is Cow's Week in Review with Ryan cow Klag Here's 3 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: cal Wildlife officials in Hollywood, California are still searching for 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: a deer that was captured on video with what looks 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: like a leg bone lodged in its mouth. The deer 6 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 1: was spotted in the Hollywood Hills hiking area last week. 7 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Witnesses say the bone makes it difficult for the deer 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: to eat, and it's easy to see why. In the video. 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: It looks exactly like the deer is munching on a 10 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,880 Speaker 1: leg bone from a large animal, except the bone appears 11 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,839 Speaker 1: to be stuck. No one knows exactly how it happened, 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,880 Speaker 1: and a local biologist says it's the strangest thing he's 13 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: ever seen. If this had happened in Michigan or Tennessee, 14 00:00:53,320 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: social media users would have smashed that like button and 15 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: gone on with their day. But this isn't Michigan or 16 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: see this is Hollywood. Yeah, jac its China Town. Subsequent 17 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: reporting revealed that residents had previously named this mule deer 18 00:01:09,120 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: dough Floppi, and park officials closed the hiking trails to 19 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: try to find and save this unfortunate animal. Local media 20 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:20,120 Speaker 1: dispatched a helicopter to search the area, and as of 21 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 1: this recording, the search is ongoing. That's one expensive deer. 22 00:01:25,240 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 1: How a legbone could get stuck in a deer's mouth 23 00:01:27,480 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: without choking to death is a mystery worthy of Sherlock Holmes, 24 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: But since Old Sherlock isn't around, we reached out to 25 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: Old Gim Heffelfinger, who's a biologist with the Arizona Game 26 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: and Fish Department and a certified deer expert. Here's what 27 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Jim said, quote, deer chew on bones all the time, 28 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: probably for calcium. At a deer check station, I once 29 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: dislodged a deer ankle bone that was stuck between the 30 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: cheek and gums. The teeth had worn grooves in the 31 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: bone because it had been stuck in the cheek for 32 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: so long, and as the animal chewed on food, it 33 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: wore those grooves into the bone. So there you go, 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: mystery solved. The deer was looking for a little calcium 35 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: and managed to get the bone stuck, probably between its 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 1: teeth and gums. And you know, I'm sure you've been there. 37 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: Get something abnormally large stuck between your teeth. But you know, 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: we got the use of those opposable thumbs man. And 39 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: here's another little tidbit as we look forward to Halloween. 40 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,120 Speaker 1: About a decade ago, researchers in Texas had what's called 41 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: a corpse farm where they lay out human remains and 42 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:34,520 Speaker 1: study the rate of decomposition. That sounds gruesome and it is, 43 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: but also pretty cool that info the different ways a 44 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: body can be laid out on top of the ground 45 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: or partially buried or fully buried can be very valuable 46 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: for investigators when they find a body in the woods. Anyway, 47 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: they had trail cam set up and researchers were shocked 48 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: to see a dough white tailed deer munching on a 49 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: human rib bone and holding it in its mouth quote 50 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: like a cigar. As Jim says, it was just trying 51 00:02:59,080 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 1: to get some calcium in diet. But the photo call 52 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 1: is quite astir when it rocketed around the internet in 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: twenty seventeen. And let's be honest, for all you deer 54 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: hunters out there, there's some poetic justice in the thought 55 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,239 Speaker 1: that your remains might eventually become a multiviamin for a 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: mewle or white tail. This week, We've got the crime desk, listener, mail, 57 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: culinary corner, and so much more. But first I'm going 58 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 1: to tell you about my week. And my week, you know, 59 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: was pretty darn good until it wasn't. If you've been 60 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: checking in on the old cal Instagram feed, you'll know 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 1: already that Snort got some old barbed wire run through 62 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: your chest. Later open fileted her chest. As you could say, 63 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: this was our second pheasant outing of the season. All told, 64 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: we got about four hours of hunting in for the 65 00:03:50,880 --> 00:03:54,240 Speaker 1: whole season. She's like a high performance vehicle or a 66 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: helicopter something like. You know, when she runs, she runs hot, 67 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: and that run time will cost you. Now, even though 68 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: I travel with a huge trauma kit for just these 69 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: sorts of occasions, the cut was large enough and oblong 70 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: enough to where I couldn't get the skin to patch 71 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: up using my standard go to patch it all stuff, 72 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: which is EMTJL like a liquid suture, so I was 73 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: only able to clean and disinfect the wound in the 74 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: field and patch her up for travel. It was also Sunday, 75 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: and I didn't think an emergency vet visit was needed, so, 76 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: of course, when we got to the vet Monday morning, 77 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: we had a choice to make best way and the 78 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: next best way. Best way was to cut off the 79 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: flap of skin and suture or staple fresh skin to 80 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: fresh skin, but that would also require putting her under, 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: which just makes me extremely uncomfortable, especially in non emergency situations. 82 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,839 Speaker 1: So we went with the next best way, which was 83 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: to stapler up as is and hope for the best. 84 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Snort is a very patient patient at this point. She's 85 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: been doctor so much so this Doggie Doc was actually 86 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: able to trim some of the hardened flesh on the 87 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: wound a little bit, got it to bleed, which made 88 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: it closer to putting fresh flesh against fresh flesh, and 89 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: that is going to increase our odds of meat bonding 90 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: back together. Also lowered the vet bill, and we still 91 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: have a happy dog. I'm letting the wound breathe during 92 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: the day and then I'm rubbing it down with a 93 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: salve called helo It, which is a plant extract based 94 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,039 Speaker 1: antibacterial anti fungal. It's worked great on her and myself 95 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:37,799 Speaker 1: in speeding up the wound healing process. Doggie Doc says, 96 00:05:37,800 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: two weeks and a little luck, we'll be back at it. 97 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: So I'll put the backpack back on, blow the dust 98 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: off the old rifle. See if I can smack an 99 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: elk until that little girl gets back up, and run on. 100 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 1: Moving on to an unfortunately extensive edition of the crime Desk, 101 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 1: Four people in wiscon Center being charged with illegally killing 102 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: over one hundred white tail deer, targeting deer with their car, 103 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,360 Speaker 1: and torturing them. The gruesome case, which you can read 104 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: more about over at the meeater dot com, involved three 105 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,480 Speaker 1: teenage boys and one adult woman. The sixteen year old 106 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: kids would allegedly drive around at night and shoot deer 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,039 Speaker 1: from the car window with a rifle. They left most 108 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:22,280 Speaker 1: to rot, but they would occasionally cut the head off 109 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: a buck and take it home. But what's getting the 110 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: most attention are two accounts of what amounts to deer torture. 111 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,919 Speaker 1: In one incident, described in a press release from the 112 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: Fondilac County Sheriff's Office, the juveniles wounded a deer so 113 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: badly with their car that they were able to load 114 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: it into the trunk alive. They recorded video and took 115 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 1: selfies with the deer and took it to various locations 116 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: while it suffered in the trunk. One of the videos 117 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: showed the suspects holding the deer, still alive but clearly suffering, 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 1: while walking around the inside of their home. The sheriff 119 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: notes the deer eventually died while in their captivity hours 120 00:06:56,960 --> 00:07:00,279 Speaker 1: after being struck with the vehicle. In another incident, the 121 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: suspects captured a still alive fawn, drove it around, and 122 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 1: took it back home. They later released it back into 123 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:08,280 Speaker 1: the wild, but it's unclear what had happened to it. 124 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: There's still a bunch of questions to be answered here. 125 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: It's unclear what exactly the relationship is between the three 126 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: teens and thirty six year old woman. She obviously wasn't 127 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: giving sage advice as the older one in the group, 128 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and the prosecutors haven't said who is being charged with what. However, 129 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: the sheriff did provide a list of potential crimes, which 130 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: include mistreating animals, shooting an animal without a reasonable expectation 131 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 1: of harvesting it, and obstructing a game warden. We'll keep 132 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: you in the loop as this case progresses. In a 133 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 1: surprising turn of events, an Ohio hunter who was accused 134 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: of poaching one of the biggest bucks in state history 135 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 1: has pled guilty to fourteen charges. CJ. Alexander has been 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: in the spotlight since December of last year, when Outdoor 137 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: Life shared his story of killing a two hundred inch 138 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: buck in Clinton County. He claimed to have an aerow 139 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,880 Speaker 1: the giant with a crossbow while hunting his sister's nine 140 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: acre property, but game wardens launched an investigation and confiscated 141 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: the record setting rack. He was charged with twenty three 142 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: crimes back in June, but always maintained his innocence until 143 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: last week. His change of heart is probably due to 144 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: the damning cell phone evidence that investigators have since released. 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: Text messages indicate he was knowingly hunting a neighboring property 146 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: without permission, which is where he ended up killing the buck. 147 00:08:28,600 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Then he and his buddies moved the animal to his 148 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: sister's property and staged it to look like he'd killed 149 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: it there. Even worse for Alexander's reputation is that he 150 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: did it all for money. Three weeks before he killed 151 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 1: the buck, he texted his fiance quote, I'm going to 152 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: get offered stupid money for this deerhead babe, like buying 153 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: a house type money. This deer is gonna make us money. 154 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:53,959 Speaker 1: The scheme almost worked, too. He had reportedly sold the 155 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 1: antlers to an antler buyer and the exclusive rights to 156 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: his story to a hunting magazine. He had also signed 157 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: a promotional deal with the hunting company before his story 158 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: started to unravel. Tell you what gang intersection a cash 159 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:13,840 Speaker 1: and wildlife rarely ends with good things happening. The start 160 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: of the History Channel show Swamp People found himself down 161 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: to Bayou without a paddle last week after being cited 162 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: for failing to properly tag an alligator. Troy Landry, who 163 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: the History Channel says is known as the King of 164 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,640 Speaker 1: the Swamp, got caught by Louisiana game wardens for using 165 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: the wrong tag on a gator. Someone had sent in 166 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: a tip about unauthorized gator lines, so wardens staked out 167 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: the area for six hours. They observed Landry and a 168 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: few others harvesting an alligator, so they stopped to ask questions. 169 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: Turns out, Landry did have permission to hunt gators on 170 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,680 Speaker 1: that property, but his tag was only good in a 171 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: different parish. Landry at first denied taking an alligator on 172 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,680 Speaker 1: the property, but eventually confessed when game wardens explained that 173 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: they'd been watching him the whole time. Maximum penalty for 174 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: the ticket is one hundred and twenty days in prison 175 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: and a nine hundred and fifty dollars fine. Listener Cody 176 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: Hunter sent me a wild crime story from his neck 177 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: of the woods in Manitoba, Canada. Most poachers are content 178 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: to hunt on a property without permission, but it takes 179 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,600 Speaker 1: real audacity to offer guided hunts on a property you 180 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:18,920 Speaker 1: don't have permission on yourself. That's apparently what happened in 181 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: Western Manitoba, where a fifty two year old man is 182 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: being accused of advertising and executing guided bison hunts on 183 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 1: a property that didn't belong to him. The Royal Canadian 184 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: Mounted Police say a social media post was advertising bison 185 00:10:32,320 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: hunts for only one thousand dollars per animal, and at 186 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 1: least three hunters responded to the offer. Problem was, the 187 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 1: actual owners of that farm had trail cameras all over 188 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: the property and so they were immediately aware that something 189 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: seriously shady was going down. When they went out to 190 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: visit one of their pastures. They also noticed that the 191 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: locks and all their gates had been changed. RCMP investigators 192 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: determined that the four people drove in with the pickup 193 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: truck and off road vehicles shot the bison and removed them. 194 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: Cody Hunt tells me this story was all over social 195 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: media up there, and the suspect has since turned himself in. 196 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:08,079 Speaker 1: The Hunters claimed to not know what the heck was happening, 197 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: and I haven't seen any reports of additional charges. Last 198 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: one from the crime desk anyway, all the way back 199 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: in episode two fifteen, I told you about a conservation 200 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: easement scheme that defrauded American taxpayers out of billions of dollars. Basically, 201 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,959 Speaker 1: fraudsters would bundle up a bunch of land illegally inflate 202 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: its value, and then sell conservation easements on those properties 203 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: to give investors a massive tax break. A land appraiser 204 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: pled guilty in June of last year, and this week 205 00:11:36,080 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 1: the IRS announced that two accountants had been sentenced to 206 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: twenty months in prison. Victor Smith and William Tomasello both 207 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 1: sold these syndicated conservation easements as tax shelters to wealthy clients, 208 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,080 Speaker 1: knowing that they quote lacked economic substance. They knew that 209 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: their wealthy clients participated in these sham investments only to 210 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:57,559 Speaker 1: obtain a tax deduction and received only a tax benefit 211 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: for their participation in the tax shelters. Smith sold fourteen 212 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 1: million dollars in false tax deductions, causing a tax loss 213 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: to the irs of about four point eight million dollars. 214 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: Tomasello sold approximately eight and a half million dollars in 215 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: false deductions, causing a tax loss of about two point 216 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: three million we Ethical hunters and anglers often complain that 217 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,360 Speaker 1: poachers don't get a harsh enough sentence, but I think 218 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,079 Speaker 1: you'll agree that these fellows are getting everything that they deserve. 219 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: Along with serving nearly two years in prison, Smith will 220 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: be paying over four point eight million dollars in restitution, 221 00:12:28,920 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 1: while Tomasello will pay over two point three million dollars. 222 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: If wildlife poachers were facing that kind of penalty, I 223 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,360 Speaker 1: bet the crime desk segment would be a whole lot shorter, 224 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: and I'm glad to see investigators crack down on these schemes. 225 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: Conservation easements are one of the most effective ways to 226 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: encourage private land conservation. In my own home state of Montana, 227 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of folks who are in charge that 228 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:55,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of bones to pick with permanent conservation easements, 229 00:12:55,960 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: even though they do a hell of a lot of 230 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: good and it's a right that you can extra size 231 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: as a private property owner. I'd like to think that 232 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 1: fraudulent activity here is a big reason why these folks 233 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:13,680 Speaker 1: don't like a good conservation Easema. Moving on to the 234 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:18,880 Speaker 1: cooking desk, the CDC reported last week that ten people 235 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: attending the same party likely contracted tricknosis by eating undercooked 236 00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:27,679 Speaker 1: bear meat. Don't worry, Steven Ronello was with us in Louisiana. 237 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: The agency surveyed thirty four attendees of the gathering in 238 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,560 Speaker 1: western North Carolina, and twenty two reported having eaten the meat. 239 00:13:35,080 --> 00:13:39,280 Speaker 1: Of those twenty two, ten reported symptoms consistent with tricknosis infection. 240 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:43,600 Speaker 1: Nine patients had facial swelling, six had myalgia, and four 241 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: had documented fevers. This story got some attention in the media, 242 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: since it's always fun to put the word outbreak in 243 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: a headline. And I bet a lot of people don't 244 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 1: even realize that hunters eat bear meat, But most bear 245 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 1: hunters are aware that bears often carry the round worm 246 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: larvae that causes trickonosis and meat should be cooked to 247 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: at least one hundred and sixty five degrees to kill 248 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: the little buggers. It's also worth noting that the folks 249 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: who were infected didn't seem all that concerned. The CDC 250 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: reports that a majority of the patients took the parasite 251 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 1: medication I'll bend a zol, but several patients said they 252 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: weren't willing to spend one hundred dollars per dose. Others 253 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: delayed the taking of the medication. Only five of them 254 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 1: were actually tested for trick, and those tests came back negative. 255 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: The CDC explains that reliable diagnosis can offer require additional 256 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 1: testing because you know, the little roundworm larvae are multiplying 257 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,200 Speaker 1: inside of you. But none of the patients returned to 258 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: be tested again. Sounds like their symptoms had resolved enough 259 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: that they didn't care about confirming their diagnosis. The incubation 260 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 1: period in these cases was between seven and twenty six 261 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:49,040 Speaker 1: days from the consumption of the meat to the onset 262 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: of the symptoms. That means if you're a bear hunter 263 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: and ever experienced strange flu like symptoms facial swelling, sore 264 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: on us, we have to think back over three weeks 265 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: to determine if undercook bear meat is the culprit. Mild 266 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: cases of trick can resolve on their own, but several 267 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: cases can result in death if not treated. Since you 268 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,800 Speaker 1: don't know what you have, you should always head to 269 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 1: the hospital to get yourself some anti parasitic medication if 270 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: you suspect you have the trick. Moving on to the 271 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Mountain Lion Desk. By this point you might be tired 272 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: of hearing about the proposed mount Lion hunting band in Colorado, 273 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: but listener Ross mcgree wrote in with a very interesting development. 274 00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 1: Game wardens and biologists for state agencies are often prohibited 275 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: from taking a position on contentious wildlife issues, especially when 276 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: it comes to bills and ballad initiatives. I know this 277 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 1: is frustrating for many of them, since they have strong 278 00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: and well informed opinions that they can't share in public. Instead, 279 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: they use non work emails and write in here to 280 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 1: ask cal at the Meat Eater dot com, and we 281 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: love you for it. We've seen the same neutral stance 282 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: from many Colorado parks and wildlife employees about this Mounta 283 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 1: Lion ballad initiative, but Ross sent me a resolution passed 284 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: by the Colorado Wildlife Employees Protective Association. The CWEPA represents 285 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: over two hundred wildlife officers biologists, wildlife technicians, aquatic staff, 286 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 1: administrative assistance, and education and outreach personnel. The resolution doesn't 287 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: mention mount lion hunting specifically, but the timing and content 288 00:16:19,680 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: make their position clear enough. It affirms that quote all 289 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: wildlife in Colorado is best protected, enhanced, and managed by 290 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: the science based wildlife management professionals employed by the State 291 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: of Colorado. It also recognizes the contribution and role of 292 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,400 Speaker 1: hunting and fishing as primary methods of wildlife management. That's 293 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: an obvious knock on the ballot box biology. Currently before 294 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: Colorado voters. Prop One twenty seven would ban mount lion 295 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 1: hunting in the state, even though the lion population is 296 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 1: healthy and sanctioned by the State of Colorado. It would 297 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: put wildlife management decisions in the hands of the general public, 298 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: many of whom are completely disconnected from their food but 299 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: can be easily swayed by cute cougars on billboards to 300 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: focus on other people and what those people do in 301 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: a law abiding, in legal way, instead of on themselves 302 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: and their own problems. This resolution by the CWEPA speaks 303 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: directly to that problem, and I hope it will have 304 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: some sway with Colorado voters. Unfortunately, not all members of 305 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: Colorado's wildlife management community are on the same page. Richard Reading, 306 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: the current vice chair of the Colorado Wildlife Commission, penned 307 00:17:28,520 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: an op ed and a local paper arguing that mountain 308 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 1: lion hunting methods violate the principles of the North American 309 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: model of wildlife conservation. His stance was echoed in another 310 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: op ed by current commissioners Jack Murphy and Jessica Blue, 311 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 1: both were appointed recently by Governor Jared Polis and confirmed 312 00:17:44,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: by the state Senate despite strong opposition from the hunting community. 313 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: It is illegal for Colorado Wildlife Commissioners to take a 314 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:54,639 Speaker 1: stance on ballot measures unless the statements include language about 315 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: not representing the views of Colorado Parks and Wildlife. One 316 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:00,879 Speaker 1: of the op eds initially failed to include the disclaimer, 317 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,640 Speaker 1: but it was later added. Others say that the op 318 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: ed for Murphy and Blue still violated a Colorado law 319 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: that prohibits commissioners from discussing policy issues outside of a 320 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 1: public forum. It would have been tough for these two 321 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,640 Speaker 1: to write a joint op ed without talking through the issue, 322 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: which may run them a foul of Colorado's open meeting law. 323 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,120 Speaker 1: The early voting period in Colorado began October twenty one, 324 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: so be sure to get down to your local polling 325 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: place and cast your no vote against Prop One twenty seven. 326 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 1: Moving on to the economics desk, a new report from 327 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: hunter advocacy group Sportsmen's Alliance indicates that hunters and sports 328 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: shooters have an even greater economic impact than previously thought. 329 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 1: The report also breaks the data down into state and 330 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,200 Speaker 1: local levels, so you can actually see how much hunting 331 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:51,160 Speaker 1: and sport shooting impact your congressional voting district. I won't 332 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: get into all the details, but here are the top 333 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: line numbers. Taken together, hunting in shooting sports generated one 334 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 1: hundred and six point two billion dollars in retail sales 335 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:04,119 Speaker 1: and contributed one hundred and thirty three billion dollars to 336 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: economic growth in twenty twenty two. The industries support more 337 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:11,680 Speaker 1: than one point three million jobs that create in excess 338 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 1: of eighty point five billion dollars in wages and income. 339 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: In turn, that economic stimulus generated two hundred and fifty 340 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:22,640 Speaker 1: one billion dollars in economic activity through the multiplier effect. 341 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: The numbers are also pretty impressive if we compare the 342 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: economic impact of hunting to other economic factors. Hunting generates 343 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 1: about forty five point two billion dollars per year, which, 344 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: according to the Sportsman's Alliance, is higher than the gross 345 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: domestic product of one hundred and twenty one countries. There 346 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,119 Speaker 1: are one hundred and ninety five countries in the world, 347 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: so that sounds pretty good. That's also more annual revenue 348 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: than Nationwide Insurance, United Airlines, and Tyson Foods. It's ten 349 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: times more than the revenue of the top ten most 350 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:55,160 Speaker 1: valuable NFL teams combined, and equal to the combined system 351 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 1: wide sales of both Starbucks and McDonald's. Hunting also supports 352 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: over five one hundred and forty thousand jobs, which is 353 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: more than any US company except Walmart and Amazon. It's 354 00:20:05,680 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: interesting to put these numbers in context, but it makes 355 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: an important point. Limiting hunting and sports shooting opportunities is 356 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: a bit like forcing Starbucks locations to close or NFL 357 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: teams to shut down. It harms a major driver of 358 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: the US economy, So legislators and policymakers should really think 359 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: twice before, say a banning mountain lion hunting in Colorado, which, 360 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: just to harp on this more, Gang Prop one twenty 361 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 1: seven is literally an exercise in people saying I don't 362 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: like what you do, so you can't do it. There's 363 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:43,520 Speaker 1: no scientific basis for it. It's ridiculousness on the highest scale. 364 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: I just want you to think about all the things 365 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: that you do or your neighbor does, as nitpicky as 366 00:20:49,520 --> 00:20:52,480 Speaker 1: it may be, and then you create a law that 367 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: says they can't do that. It's insanity. Moving on to 368 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: the mailbag, a list if 're in the proprietary of 369 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: elevation angling and Gunnison Colorado wrote in with a thoughtful 370 00:21:04,280 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: take on the robopants issue we covered a few episodes ago, 371 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,440 Speaker 1: and here's what John Kessler thinks about electronically assisted to 372 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,919 Speaker 1: hiking bridges and other kinds of tech that make it 373 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: easier to get out into the woods. Personally, I think 374 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: it's too much of an advantage and just bloody expensive 375 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: to boot. I'm not immune to the new technology, as 376 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I lean really hard on my on ex subscription. Now 377 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 1: for the crux of the issue. Do I like the 378 00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,480 Speaker 1: long range capable scopes, robotic pants that make hiking easier, 379 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: or sonar that's practically a camera. No? Do I feel 380 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: I should advocate for their removal? From the modern hunting 381 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: and fishing scene. Also know, with a decrease in hunter recruitment, 382 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: I feel it necessary to keep the older age class 383 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,879 Speaker 1: in the game as long as possible, if only for 384 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 1: the money they contribute to conservation. Is that an odd 385 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: take on the issue? Hey, thanks for righting man well Rich, No, 386 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: that is not an odd take on the issue. I 387 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,479 Speaker 1: will remind you, however, that there's a sizable portion of 388 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 1: our hunting and angling communities that buy licenses and tags 389 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: every year and never go hunting, and that money still counts. 390 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: I fully intend to do that in my older age provided, 391 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: you know, social security is still a thing when I 392 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: got to hang things up. You know, the efficacy of 393 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: emerging technologies is something that we've struggled with forever as 394 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: a hunting community and state regulatory framework. It's going to 395 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 1: be a moving target forever. We just can't get over 396 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 1: the line, right, Like, we can't make things so darn 397 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: easy that there's a noticeable impact on game populations. You know, 398 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: hunting is not hunting if it's a foregone conclusion, that's harvesting. 399 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: That can be wildlife for game management. But I'm in 400 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: it for the hunting. The arms race within muzzleloaders is 401 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: a great example. When muzzleloaders seasons were first introduced, it 402 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 1: was generally accepted that the efficacy of that weapon was 403 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 1: such that you could provide a lot of opportunity with 404 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:13,439 Speaker 1: the knowledge that success rates were going to be so 405 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 1: low that it wouldn't have that much of an impact 406 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: on the wildlife. Agencies could make some money. But then 407 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: you saw folks chasing the odds of that high opportunity hunt, 408 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: meaning that let's say you're in a point system state, 409 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,160 Speaker 1: if it took ten points to get a rifle tag, 410 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: it only took five points or three points to get 411 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 1: a muzzleoader tag, but they wanted the success rate of 412 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,040 Speaker 1: the rifle tag. They wanted to have ten point success 413 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: for three point draws. And so all of the sudden, 414 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: there's this shift from harvest numbers being at an acceptable level, 415 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: meaning that when you added up your archery take, your 416 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: rifle take, and then your muzzleloader take, you were still 417 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 1: maintaining your objectives for elk or deer or whatever it is. 418 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, your muzzleoader gets way skewed, 419 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: and then that affects your rifle, and that affects your 420 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,639 Speaker 1: archery because all of a sudden, everybody's got a muscleoader 421 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: and a projectile that's super accurate at five hundred yards 422 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 1: when the whole system was set up around one hundred 423 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: yards or less. Let's just say that's why it's always 424 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: going to be a moving target. Everybody's going to try 425 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: to improve gear wise, and ideally your skills improved too. Right, 426 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 1: I think it is still real and likely that your 427 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,120 Speaker 1: hunters that spend the most time in the field are 428 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 1: likely the most successful hunters and therefore take the most 429 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:48,920 Speaker 1: amount of game. One of the biggest misconceptions with non hunters, 430 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:53,320 Speaker 1: right is that every license tag issued represents a dead animal. 431 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,360 Speaker 1: Every time a hunter goes out in the field, that's 432 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: a dead animal. The reality is that's an opportunity. That's 433 00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 1: what the system's based on on. Everybody's heard me cry 434 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: like a mashed cat over eating the mule deer tag 435 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: in Wyoming this year. That's what I signed up for, 436 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: the opportunity to chase mule deer, not a dead mule deer, 437 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: And that's like the target that we're really chasing when 438 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: we talk about wildlife management, and in order also to 439 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: keep that in check. We need to also take advantage 440 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: of the opportunities that result in dead animals a lot 441 00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 1: of the time, which would be like those white tailed 442 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: dough harvests. Didn't think i'd get that in there, digit 443 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: doug during That's all I got for you this week. 444 00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Remember to write into 445 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 1: askcl that's Ascal at the meat eater dot com. Yes, 446 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: it's election season. We almost got through the whole darn 447 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: thing without me talking about it. Remember, voting is a 448 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 1: responsibility game. I like to vote for public lands, waters 449 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,040 Speaker 1: and wildlife. I think you should too. But no matter 450 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,080 Speaker 1: how the ballot box fills up, you're still going to 451 00:25:57,119 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: be on the hook for keeping your elected officials response 452 00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: and accountable. And we do that by writing, in calling, 453 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: and testifying in public when things are in session. Get 454 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 1: that commission meeting, et cetera. So that's why you're here, Gang, 455 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: got to keep you motivated. Thanks a bunch. I hope 456 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: you're having a great season. I'll talk to you soon.