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Speaker 1: forty seven. With Amy Wells and Titans Radio's Rhett Brian,

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Speaker 1: I'm Mike Keith. We have a very special guest, Jim Nagge,

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Speaker 1: the executive director of the Reese's Senior Bowl, a man

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Speaker 1: who spent eighteen years as an NFL scout and man

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Speaker 1: with the Senior Bowl taking on more importance than ever

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one. He's sort of been the belle

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Speaker 1: of the ball. You've been everywhere, Jim, and we appreciate

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Speaker 1: you joining us on the OTP. Yeah, absolutely, Thanks for

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Speaker 1: the intro and going to be honest you guys. All right,

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Speaker 1: Amy Wells has got the first question. Fireway, Miss Wells.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jim. In many mock drafts, analysts have the

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Speaker 1: Titans selecting Florida wide receiver Cadarius Tony at number twenty two. Overall,

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Speaker 1: you've seen Tony work, What do you like about his game?

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Speaker 1: And do you believe that he is a first round pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've actually seen Cadarius work since high school because he's

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Speaker 1: from Mobile, Alabama, so I've been seeing I've been seeing

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Speaker 1: Cadarius since he played played quarterback at Blunt High School

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Speaker 1: here in town. But I do think he's where of

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Speaker 1: the first round pick. He's extremely dynamic. You know, everyone's

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Speaker 1: talking about the usual suspects at the top with Jalen

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Speaker 1: Waddle and DeVante Smith from Alabama and Jamar Chase from LSU,

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Speaker 1: and those guys are great players, but Cadarius is really

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Speaker 1: unique because change of direction skills are they're really hard

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Speaker 1: to find, and the fact that he's one hundred and

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Speaker 1: ninety pounds but plays like he's about two fifteen. He's

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Speaker 1: one of those guys. You look at his body type

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Speaker 1: and he's real wiry, but he doesn't look like a big,

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Speaker 1: thick guy, so you think contact might affect him. And

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Speaker 1: he's really strong with the ball in his hands. He's

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Speaker 1: really strong and routes. All you have to do is

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Speaker 1: YouTube some of his highlight videos and you'll see what

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Speaker 1: he does kind of pinball and bouncing off contact and

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Speaker 1: running through people and breaking tackle. So he's what the

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Speaker 1: league's looking for it now in terms of like the

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Speaker 1: space playmakers, the Deebo Samuel type of guy that you

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Speaker 1: it doesn't always he's he's funny. It's funny with with Cadarius.

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Speaker 1: It might not be how you draw it up as

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Speaker 1: a route runner, but he can do things that you

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Speaker 1: can ask other guys to do. So he's got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of freelance to his game as a route runner.

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Speaker 1: But again, you can't coach that short area equipments that

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Speaker 1: he has. So if they need a playmaker inside and

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Speaker 1: I know they've lost some pieces there at receiver with

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Speaker 1: Corey Davis, to me, that would make sense. He is.

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Speaker 1: He is an absolute playmaker. Now I want to stay

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Speaker 1: with receivers because some experts are liking Clemson's Amari Rodgers

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Speaker 1: for the Titans. Jim, gimme your evaluation on Rogers. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Amar's the guy that we had to warm up too.

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Speaker 1: Quite honestly, when we started watching him last summer on

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Speaker 1: line usually is for the game every year, and you

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Speaker 1: put on this year's stuff and he looked like a

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Speaker 1: Jim Daggy, let's flip the defense for just a couple

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Speaker 1: of moments here. You had a tweet about Florida States

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Speaker 1: Hams and Nagural Dean recently, and people want to know

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Speaker 1: is he a safety or is he a linebacker in

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Speaker 1: the NFL? And you say it didn't matter. In fact,

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Speaker 1: you said, non position specific players are becoming more valuable

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Speaker 1: on defense. What led you to say that, Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: talking it. Talking to guys around the league. They're looking

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Speaker 1: for quote unquote position list defenders. You know, it used

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Speaker 1: Ham's has sixty three and change is two hundred and

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Speaker 1: Darius Leonard talking to the guys in the Colts this year,

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Speaker 1: Central Florida's Richie Grant. What is so impressive about young Grant? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I love I love Ritchie. It's it's great that he

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Speaker 1: a really good job reading the quarterback and anticipating he's

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Speaker 1: he make plays, he has like an opportunistic knack for

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Speaker 1: making plays in critical times, which to me, it's a

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Speaker 1: knack thing. You can't put your finger on it. Guys

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Speaker 1: you gotta just show up for on the ball when

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Speaker 1: they need to. And that's Richie. But he's not just

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Speaker 1: that center fielder. He can also run alleys and knock

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Speaker 1: the first round right now, and Ritchie's not one of them.

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Speaker 1: And I'll take Ritchie grown over those guys any day. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the Titans are likely to be in the market for

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Speaker 1: cornerbacks in this upcoming draft. Would you, Jim say that

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Speaker 1: Syracuse star a Fee two melofond Wu might make sense

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Speaker 1: and such a pig. So a lot of good ones,

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Speaker 1: a lot of good ones. James Huston from Cincinnati's a

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Speaker 1: guy that's just scratching the surface. Alex Leatherwood from Alabama's

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Speaker 1: going to be a really good one, you know. Jump

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Speaker 1: thirty four and a half yesterday at Alabama's Pro Day,

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Speaker 1: has a ton of tools and arm length, so really

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Speaker 1: a good quay if you need offensive linemen this year,

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Speaker 1: that's a great year to do it right. So let's

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Speaker 1: hit Jim Naggie with some broad questions as we wrap up.

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Speaker 1: Aby Wells take it away, all right, Mike. I'll start

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Speaker 1: us off because you mentioned that in the weeks since

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl you've had a chance to actually review

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Speaker 1: the tape and look at some of the players. Which

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Speaker 1: guys do you think helped themselves the most at the

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one Senior Bowl. We could go on and

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Speaker 1: I don't know how to be concise here on it,

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Speaker 1: so we could go on and on and on. I

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Speaker 1: think Demitrix Helton, the running back receiver from UCLA, had

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Speaker 1: an unbelievable week here his peers, you know, we have

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Speaker 1: their peers vote on them for players of the Week,

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Speaker 1: so that the DBS vote on the White House and

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Speaker 1: the Old Line votes on the d Line and so forth.

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Speaker 1: But Demetric had a great week. I think he really

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Speaker 1: helped himself. We've talked about guys like a Mari and

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Speaker 1: Josh Palmer, you know, on the offensive line. Robert Hainsey

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Speaker 1: at the tackle from Notre Dame who came here probably

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Speaker 1: at the fourth or fifth round pick, had never played

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Speaker 1: center before and in life, and played center down here

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Speaker 1: and looked like a natural. Added. I think he's probably

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Speaker 1: gonna go into the late third, early fourth and he

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Speaker 1: now can play for four or five positions. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: play every every position for except left tackle. So he

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Speaker 1: really helped himself with the ability to snap. Um. You know,

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Speaker 1: Derek Barnes, the linebacker of Purdue, had an unbelievable week,

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Speaker 1: had a great Pro day yesterday. I think he's really underrated.

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Speaker 1: I actually think he'd be a great fit for for

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Speaker 1: Tennessee and what what Mike and John looked for in

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Speaker 1: football players. Um, yeah, we could keep going, but those

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Speaker 1: are just a few. There is a lot of oh, oh,

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Speaker 1: so did you zu a D tackle from UCLA at

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Speaker 1: a phenomenal week so in a really thin interior D

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Speaker 1: line class, I really think Ohsa helped himself. UM, And

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Speaker 1: a guy like Cam Sample from Tulane was almost unblockable.

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Speaker 1: He was Defensive Player of the Game during the game,

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Speaker 1: and in was awesome all week. So, um, that's just

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Speaker 1: a few. Who are the players at the Senior Bowl

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Speaker 1: that surprised you the most this year? Surprised? I mean

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Speaker 1: Quinn Miners is at the top of that list for sure.

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Speaker 1: I mean I did not see Quinn coming down here

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Speaker 1: and and really doing the job he did. So I

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Speaker 1: mean that first and foremost. That one was that one.

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Speaker 1: That one, really, I mean, I love to be surprised,

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Speaker 1: I think Baron Browning from Ohio State put together a

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Speaker 1: really good week outside linebacker again a guy for the

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Speaker 1: Titans because of his versatility. You know, he can set

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Speaker 1: the edge, he can rush, he showed down here, he

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Speaker 1: can drop. And Justin Hilliers, his teammate at Ohio State,

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Speaker 1: another linebacker. I mean Justine Hillier is a great story.

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Speaker 1: So came into Ohio State as a five star, had

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Speaker 1: a bunch of injury issues, got stuck behind Baron Browning,

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Speaker 1: Pete Warner, and Tough Borland for basically his whole career

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Speaker 1: in Ohio State. They really got him going at the

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Speaker 1: end of the season, you know, against Northwestern the Big

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Speaker 1: Ten championship game and into the College Football Playoff, and

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Speaker 1: he went from being a career special teams guy to

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Speaker 1: coming down here having a great Senior Bowl. He's probably

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Speaker 1: not getting out of the third round now, so um,

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Speaker 1: there's there's some great stories. And again it's funny how

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Speaker 1: they're usually tied to kids that are like, when you

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Speaker 1: meet them, they're super impressive, so you understand to been

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Speaker 1: through adversity and you know that they got a chip

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Speaker 1: on their shoulder and they've had to proved themselves that

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Speaker 1: it all ligns up when you see the guys that

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Speaker 1: come down here and really take advantage of it. Okay, Jim,

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Speaker 1: If you were looking at a Senior Bowl edge rusher

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Speaker 1: who could do well early on as a rotational guy

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Speaker 1: but then could really develop in time, who do you like?

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Speaker 1: I think Jordan Smith from from UAB is a really

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Speaker 1: intriguing guy. He went to Florida out of high school,

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Speaker 1: ended up at UAB. They six five six six. I

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Speaker 1: can't remember the exact measurables, but just a he looks

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Speaker 1: like a basketball player, Like the whole time during Senior

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Speaker 1: Bowl week when he was walking around it looked like

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Speaker 1: I mean, he looked like he was a small forward

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Speaker 1: on uab's hoops team. But when he's done filling out,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be scary. He's only around two fifty

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Speaker 1: right now now, but he's got a lot of natural

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Speaker 1: pass rushability. He's extremely long. He's got like an eighty

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Speaker 1: four inch wingspan. So when he when he brings that

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Speaker 1: long arm, it's hard. It's hard to corral the guy.

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Speaker 1: It's hard to get your get your myths on him

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Speaker 1: if you're an offensive lineman. So a guy like him

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Speaker 1: Daniely Hayes from Notre Dame, I think has a ton

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Speaker 1: of upside because he's never really featured at the pass

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Speaker 1: rusher at Notre Dame. They used him in a lot

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Speaker 1: of different ways. They never really just like let him go.

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Speaker 1: So I think that numbers wise on paper at Notre Dame,

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Speaker 1: you're not looking at a huge sack guy. But I

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Speaker 1: think moving forward, he's got a chance to be that

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Speaker 1: at the next level, like I think at eight to

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Speaker 1: ten sack guy at some point. Finally, Jim, you know

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Speaker 1: John Robinson and Mike Vrabel from your time with the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you to name five guys from

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Speaker 1: the twenty twenty one Senior Bowl who are Robinson Vrabel

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Speaker 1: guys guys who fit the mold of a Titans player.

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Speaker 1: Oh boy, having been with those guys in a long time.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know if John's changed on me or not.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, I mean, they want they want tough

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Speaker 1: football guys, right um. They want guys that are passionate

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Speaker 1: about it and physical and tough. So we talked about

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Speaker 1: Quinn Miners. I think I think he's a guy. I

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Speaker 1: think Dylan Raidings from North Dakota State is a guy

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, when you watch North Dakota State's tape,

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Speaker 1: you know sometimes as an offensive lineman, you go right

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Speaker 1: to the tight copy from to the end zone copy

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Speaker 1: of the tape, where you can't do that with Dylan

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Speaker 1: because the majority of the time, like he's he's just

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Speaker 1: like taking dude, got to the boundary and throwing him,

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Speaker 1: you know, throwing him five feet out of bounds. So

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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta watch the sideline angle just to

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Speaker 1: see how far he takes guys off the screen. So

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Speaker 1: he's a he's a nasty, nasty dude. He gets after people.

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Speaker 1: I think Derek Barnes. We talked about really versatile, physical, mature, smart,

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Speaker 1: all the things they're going to value. The linebacker from

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Speaker 1: Purdue UM and then White Hubert is a guy, an

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Speaker 1: edge guy from Kansas State who came up early as

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Speaker 1: a junior, got his diploma so he could play in

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Speaker 1: the game. We had sixteen juniors and the Senior Bowl here,

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Speaker 1: really taking advantage of those early grads. And Wyatt is

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Speaker 1: very similar to Mike Ravel in its play style. Really

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Speaker 1: heavy edged set, our strong technician, good with his hands.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine Mike's not watching the tape of this

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Speaker 1: guy and not kind of seeing at least a little

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Speaker 1: bit of himself in him. And he plays his tail off.

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Speaker 1: So he's the guy that has high sack production at

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Speaker 1: the college level in the Big twelve. These face good

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Speaker 1: tackles he can. Then he did a lot of pass

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Speaker 1: rush stuff at three technique during our week out of necessity.

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Speaker 1: We didn't have a lot of interior body, So Whyatt

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Speaker 1: moved in there to three technique and a lot of

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Speaker 1: subsituations and whooped up on some guards. So I just

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Speaker 1: see why it is would be a really good fit

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Speaker 1: there in Tennessee. We so appreciate your time. We know

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Speaker 1: how busy you are. Thanks for carving out some minutes

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Speaker 1: with us to talk about these Senior Bowl vets who

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Speaker 1: are going to be a big part of the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one NFL Draft. Jim Naggie, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for being with us on the OTP. No, yo, you're going,

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Speaker 1: and thanks thanks for having me and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: For Amy Wells and Rett Brian. I'm Mike Keith, and

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Speaker 1: you've been listening to the official Titans podcast, The Oh

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Speaker 1: the TPP where the Legends Go. Everybody knows it's our house,

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Speaker 1: fighting for Tennessee, making us to read cleanness is meant

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Speaker 1: to be ours. Now. We got tight and butter running

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