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Speaker 1: and Doctor Sean Paul LLC. Hey, everyone, welcome to another
Speaker 1: episode of the BLACKFFIM Podcast, where all the intersections of
Speaker 1: identity are celebrated. I am one of your hosts, John
Speaker 1: also known as doctor John Paul, and I'm unpolitely here
Speaker 1: with my Karen wig On to speak to the manager
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty five because what is this, honey? What
Speaker 1: is this like? Literally? If you literally the hair is
Speaker 1: over my eye and I'm what is this honey like?
Speaker 1: I'm can I speak to the manager? I need to
Speaker 1: speak to somebody in charge because this these last few
Speaker 1: weeks have been a total shit show, and I got
Speaker 1: COVID to boost she just literally the last few weeks
Speaker 1: have just molly whopped me all upside my head. But
Speaker 1: for those who are concerned, yes, I'm well, I'm better now.
Speaker 1: I'm actually COVID negative. But I had COVID literally the
Speaker 1: entire time that I was in New Orleans and the
Speaker 1: entire time that I was in Minnesota, I had COVID
Speaker 1: And I absolutely no, it wasn't Where was I wasn't
Speaker 1: It wasn't Minnesota. Where was I last Clintonville Books, Jesus Christ.
Speaker 1: I actually didn't know. I didn't figure out I had
Speaker 1: COVID until actually after the book talk, I said, let
Speaker 1: me just test because I feel like trash, and sure
Speaker 1: enough I had it. But yeah, it's all good. It's
Speaker 1: all good. So yeah, it's been that. It's it's been that, right,
Speaker 1: But I've just been looking around like same won flave,
Speaker 1: same literally same won flave. But anyway, how are you jall?
Speaker 2: First of all things, so like one, I'm I'm glad
Speaker 2: you're okay, and I'm glad that, like, like it's because
Speaker 2: I had COVID, came out from New York and I
Speaker 2: had no I had no idea, like I yeah, I
Speaker 2: thought I just had bad allergies. And I tested before
Speaker 2: I came back and it was negative. And then I
Speaker 2: came back and I was positive. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like fuck and I was like, oh no,
Speaker 2: I like I clearly had it, like I had but
Speaker 2: like but but like I'm glad because I used to
Speaker 2: be so afraid of it. And I was like, I
Speaker 2: mean and I still am in some ways, but I
Speaker 2: was like, well, okay, wow, like I thought the allergies,
Speaker 2: like I really thought it the aologies for a few
Speaker 2: days and thankful that like it's no like this is
Speaker 2: this is a proof that science works and vaccines work,
Speaker 2: because we aren't like we weren't having the same ship
Speaker 2: we used to have before when we hit us. So
Speaker 2: I'm glad, glad that you weren't taken down. I'm glad
Speaker 2: that you're okay now, and I pray that all the
Speaker 2: people that you were around did not get it right.
Speaker 1: I'm also and I sent out text to let people know,
Speaker 1: like it wasn't you know, the same thing like I
Speaker 1: had went to a birthday party shout out to friends
Speaker 1: of the show James. They had a birthday party, uh,
Speaker 1: the Saturday before I left. And then you know, I
Speaker 1: text folks that were around me, you know, in Louisiana.
Speaker 1: And then the same thing when I was over at Clintonville.
Speaker 1: I you know, I basically I told him like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't go knowing it was one of
Speaker 1: those things of like I knew I didn't feel well,
Speaker 1: but also I just thought it was travel, you know,
Speaker 1: the same phil.
Speaker 2: As is exhausting, like it like like you know, you know,
Speaker 2: like the you don't know these.
Speaker 3: Days what it is like.
Speaker 2: And I imagine like you're tested, You're like, I'm fine,
Speaker 2: just I just don't feel well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like then ship yeah, And it was very much
Speaker 1: giving that I had tested on Tuesday and it was negative,
Speaker 1: and then I tested again on Friday and I was positive,
Speaker 1: and so I was like, Okay. So I had to
Speaker 1: have gotten COVID between the birthday party and between the
Speaker 1: traveling to New Orleans, which I'm not surprised because last
Speaker 1: year when I traveled to New Orleans, I was like,
Speaker 1: I told you before. I was at Essencevest last year
Speaker 1: and I got I was there working it, and I
Speaker 1: got yeah ors.
Speaker 2: Because honestly was so I'm sure I got too. Like
Speaker 2: I went from New York and I was like, i'muc.
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like, I'm duccining and I
Speaker 2: was like and I was like, just play biologies and
Speaker 2: I was like, oh damn, damn girl.
Speaker 1: But no, not New Orleans being like the place where the.
Speaker 2: Second all I wish I really wish you to, Karen Wig,
Speaker 2: because I feel like you with a bob, You with
Speaker 2: a bob, you know, you know, like the people who
Speaker 2: like lets, people like who bring this bobs with them
Speaker 2: wherever they go. Yeah, that's the ship I want to
Speaker 2: see and I would love. Okay, next life, shall we
Speaker 2: have you and I should have matching bobs.
Speaker 1: We literally should. I would live literally just have on
Speaker 1: a matching Karen Wig.
Speaker 3: I would live, would be so cute.
Speaker 1: Okay the black lady who dates the white lady who
Speaker 1: dates black men?
Speaker 2: Wi, yes, yes, please it is God, okay, fam it
Speaker 2: is it is your girl. Jordan ak well, I cannot english.
Speaker 2: It should girl jo hoo aka Jordan the baddest. And
Speaker 2: I'm here to remind y'all that not everything has to
Speaker 2: be online.
Speaker 3: It's okay to leave a little mystique an amused boosh
Speaker 3: if you will.
Speaker 2: You don't have to give the full course of your
Speaker 2: stories always like you're allowed to be private girl in
Speaker 2: some ways still even if you love the moment's life,
Speaker 2: like I just I feel I fear the line of
Speaker 2: being like share it's it's your life, girl, share what
Speaker 2: you want to share. And also some post should remain
Speaker 2: inside thought like that's that's really that's just really it
Speaker 2: something it should be sometimes I just like I just
Speaker 2: everything has to be I don't need to know it
Speaker 2: like no one had to know this. It's actually you
Speaker 2: can just you can know if you if you must
Speaker 2: write the story or the or the or the tweet
Speaker 2: drafted girl. Almost have to do that, my god. Also,
Speaker 2: I also I do want, I do want to share
Speaker 2: folks that the bullying, the bullying has one has room
Speaker 2: over again. I have updated pronounce to here they pronounced recently.
Speaker 2: Not a deal I want. I want to share here.
Speaker 2: Not that a bully, but everyone. Everyone wants to Everyone
Speaker 2: wants to be non binary so badly and right see,
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I am, let's push you, let's
Speaker 2: put you in the gay agenda and the gay and
Speaker 2: the transagenda.
Speaker 3: And I'm there for it. Yes, I'm there for it.
Speaker 3: I am. I'm I'm susceptible and I'm.
Speaker 1: So come in now. I okay.
Speaker 2: Also, do your thoughts on close friends lists?
Speaker 1: Well? So I don't want to. I'm gonna give myself away.
Speaker 1: I I have some people on my close friends list,
Speaker 1: and then I have some people and and then and
Speaker 1: then there are people who have me on THEIRS that
Speaker 1: I don't have on mine. I will be transparent and
Speaker 1: saying that my close friends list is really when I'm
Speaker 1: like wanting to talk ship but I don't want it,
Speaker 1: especially when I'm talking industry ship, and I don't want
Speaker 1: people to see it. So I'm very intentional about Like,
Speaker 1: who I have in my close friends list are people
Speaker 1: other people in the industry who I know we talk
Speaker 1: about things, or we talk about stuff that we see
Speaker 1: like I probably shouldn't them, but I have I have.
Speaker 1: I'll just say this. I have a friend, her her
Speaker 1: name is. She works in music, but our views are
Speaker 1: very much the same, and a lot of the stuff
Speaker 1: that we see in both music and in television and film,
Speaker 1: and so I'm in her close friends and she's in mine,
Speaker 1: and we go back and forth kind of sharing ship
Speaker 1: and talking shit about the stuff that we see just
Speaker 1: across the board. So yeah, I don't I don't have
Speaker 1: a close friends list because I'm putting like, you know,
Speaker 1: because I have friends that and again that's what they
Speaker 1: like to do. I have friends who have close friends
Speaker 1: because they like to post nudie pictures or they like
Speaker 1: to post you know, they like to post stuff that
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be So what's the word I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: They're very ford, say like, yeah, they're very fork.
Speaker 2: When people do and I and you know, and and
Speaker 2: and I like, and I I like, I get reason
Speaker 2: why people have close friends list and like and like,
Speaker 2: I have one that I made like years ago, Like
Speaker 2: I just don't. I just think, don't use it like
Speaker 2: I have know yeah, like like but I always I
Speaker 2: always laugh because close friends list is where a lot
Speaker 2: of times people who who have to say things that
Speaker 2: could just be could just be a draft is where
Speaker 2: it comes out and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, I'm like, like, girl, I didn't need to
Speaker 1: see this.
Speaker 3: I see this first of all. I mean, listen, don't
Speaker 3: remove me.
Speaker 1: I love I love that part. I love that you
Speaker 1: want me there.
Speaker 2: Like I love the trust. I love the faith you
Speaker 2: have on me. You know, I'll never betray you across you.
Speaker 2: I'll never tell you. That's what it's maybe a dumb thought,
Speaker 2: but like, but I am thinking it sometimes, but like, don't, don't,
Speaker 2: don't don't remove remove me, Like.
Speaker 1: I love me on the list, but I will say this,
Speaker 1: and if I get in trouble for santence, I really
Speaker 1: don't care. There are people that I know have a
Speaker 1: close friends list and I'm not on it, and I'd
Speaker 1: be wanting to just put my finger right on their
Speaker 1: forehead and be like, put me in your close friends list.
Speaker 1: So I could be nosy because I know.
Speaker 2: You say so, and I know it's fine. I like,
Speaker 2: I have one girl. We're like we're like besties. I'm
Speaker 2: not on her list. And I'm like, girl, why And
Speaker 2: he's like because it was like nudes, I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: like ill, okay, let me hep you.
Speaker 1: Up that bitch right, like, let me you swear you
Speaker 1: swear that. I like that I have a problem with
Speaker 1: you being nude. And that's like, I'm right, I.
Speaker 2: Love a dud. I'm like, okay, okay, peaches. Yeah, is.
Speaker 1: This mindset that I don't know? I just I I
Speaker 1: hate that there are so many people who are like
Speaker 1: so conservative and they're like, oh, you're not supposed to
Speaker 1: like people when they're nude. And it's like, baby, like
Speaker 1: come on now, we all know, right, let people be.
Speaker 1: Let people have something my god anyway. Yeah, so so
Speaker 1: at this point, I'll just go ahead and add you
Speaker 1: to my close friends list. You know what, Actually I
Speaker 1: think you are in my closest I am.
Speaker 2: No, no, I am, And like, like, let me be clear,
Speaker 2: you weren't one of the people that I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: Like okay, no, no, no, I am, And like and you
Speaker 2: are on mine. I just don't post to it. I
Speaker 2: posted him in three years, but you are on mind.
Speaker 2: Just you know you are on mine the last time,
Speaker 2: the last time, I definitely am.
Speaker 3: I responded to it a lot, for sure. I love
Speaker 3: you Clouanslant girl.
Speaker 2: It's a privilege.
Speaker 1: I love ye.
Speaker 2: And And the last my posted, blest my post on
Speaker 2: mine was literally was was was when Ranastance dropped the
Speaker 2: day Ransom drop. That was like because because because I
Speaker 2: was working my ass up in my house to church girl,
Speaker 2: that was it. But yeah, I have posted. It's been
Speaker 2: three years, but like you're on mind, don't you worried? Okay? Friends,
Speaker 2: So as always we're going to start. Can you imagine
Speaker 2: the drama someone's like, you know how on your clotureans
Speaker 2: list or your culture.
Speaker 1: Because my God that I swear the way that the
Speaker 1: world wants.
Speaker 2: Us to the great, great great literally as always gonna
Speaker 2: show you by giving our flowers to our girl, Miss
Speaker 2: Tisha Kim and are still here segment and this one
Speaker 2: asked a question that I know a lot of us
Speaker 2: are considering. That's all that the law of us are considering,
Speaker 2: especially with all that timing around us. Some of us
Speaker 2: and I know you mentioned this Sean Pride month and
Speaker 2: now we feel as prideful.
Speaker 3: As it once did in the past.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that being said, I'd love to ask you whether
Speaker 2: you're bad, what did you take from last month, and
Speaker 2: how do you plan to keep the pride alive? I
Speaker 2: want to hear your thoughts person, and then I'll share.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, you know, so I have said this in
Speaker 1: so many different iterations and shout out to a couple
Speaker 1: of friends. You know, my friend a Niche had posted
Speaker 1: a really long story slash reel about ways that and
Speaker 1: then that's kind of what inspired to So I want
Speaker 1: to make sure I give credit where credit is due.
Speaker 1: A Niche, for those of you who don't know, is
Speaker 1: a social media I think they are Middle Eastrian and
Speaker 1: they post a lot of different things about being queer
Speaker 1: and being Middle Eastern, and so this came up. They
Speaker 1: were basically saying that for them, pride didn't feel the
Speaker 1: same this year, but they they were doing their best
Speaker 1: to make sure that even though they're leaving, they're kind
Speaker 1: of leaving pride behind, that they're still feeling like I'm
Speaker 1: still here. And so I know this question I put
Speaker 1: that this question is loaded for me because I knew
Speaker 1: going into the month that I was going to feel
Speaker 1: a certain type of way. And I say that because
Speaker 1: my feeling is they're I feel like we only have
Speaker 1: like four or five queer people who ever get celebrated
Speaker 1: in the month, that they're the only people that we
Speaker 1: see everywhere. I'm just being honest, I'm just being real.
Speaker 1: We only see four or five of the same queer people,
Speaker 1: specifically queer black people who are getting opportunities, are getting
Speaker 1: notoriety or being celebrated for their work. And should they
Speaker 1: be celebrated for the work. Yes. What I'm saying is,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that these companies and these corporations,
Speaker 1: because they've seen these faces and they know these faces
Speaker 1: are quote unquote safe, they continue to keep going back
Speaker 1: to them. And so there was that, and I kept
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, like, I don't want to be a
Speaker 1: negative Nancy, but I think this. It just reminds me
Speaker 1: the entire month. I just kept saying how performative all
Speaker 1: of these months have become. It's not just Pride, It's
Speaker 1: it's it's Black History Month, it's LATINX History Month, it's
Speaker 1: you know, Native American history. But all of these different
Speaker 1: months that we're supposed to be celebrating. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say the drama, celebrating the stuff that makes us
Speaker 1: who we are, the stuff that we've been through, the
Speaker 1: things that we've overcome. It has now become such a
Speaker 1: performative thing. And so the fact that it just it,
Speaker 1: I just I left this month feeling very very irket
Speaker 1: and then you know, I had to really tell myself.
Speaker 1: I said, okay, the ways that I'm going And in
Speaker 1: order for me not to go into July aucceptin bro
Speaker 1: October being irritated, I think it's going to be for
Speaker 1: me to be able to celebrate the idea that we
Speaker 1: are and I say we collectively meaning me, you and
Speaker 1: many other LGBTQ people of color, specifically black folks. We're
Speaker 1: living out loud, and I think celebrating like our work, right,
Speaker 1: like so this idea that like I have this book,
Speaker 1: and I can celebrate that we have this amazing podcast
Speaker 1: that's being noted, still getting notoriety after five, you know,
Speaker 1: four or five years being on the air. You know,
Speaker 1: this idea that there are articles that people are still
Speaker 1: referring to either be your articles or my articles or
Speaker 1: other black queer people's articles, right, Like, there's this idea
Speaker 1: that we can say fuck the performative and that we
Speaker 1: get to live and be seen out loud through our work,
Speaker 1: but also through just being Like I think that's the
Speaker 1: thing for me. It's this idea that just being here
Speaker 1: and living in the intersections of all the stuff that
Speaker 1: we have to deal with, but also the idea of
Speaker 1: like us being who we are beyond the month, like
Speaker 1: that that reminds me to keep showing up, and it
Speaker 1: keeps reminding me that I don't have to wait for
Speaker 1: like a brand or a person or a place to
Speaker 1: like celebrate me just in the month of June. Right. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's kind of the thing I've been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot about, is this idea of like, how do how
Speaker 1: do I continue to celebrate me and celebrate what we
Speaker 1: do and what we've been doing after June thirtieth. That's
Speaker 1: that's kind of how I want to keep the pride going.
Speaker 2: It Really I appreciate you saying that because to me,
Speaker 2: this past year definitely underlined how for many brands and
Speaker 2: it's like anything connection between between the government and brands, right, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: underscores capitalism that like not like like capitalism, and that
Speaker 2: capitalism and like brands felt better to do more pride
Speaker 2: stuff and under a different federal government because now the
Speaker 2: incentives to do stuff are much less. Their investment in
Speaker 2: that there's also much less because like we can't get
Speaker 2: we can't get you know, tax breaks or whatever if
Speaker 2: we you know, for this now or like or or
Speaker 2: they're it's like or like if we do that, it's
Speaker 2: to DEI and so they might come for us next.
Speaker 2: It makes just makes me sad that I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: so you actually like you actually don't love us, and
Speaker 2: I mean you never never did, right like they've never
Speaker 2: did in some way, So we understand that, you know.
Speaker 2: And I every she named all this because pride does
Speaker 2: feel very very probably felt different this year in some ways,
Speaker 2: and it came by so fast. I also think that
Speaker 2: like everything in America right now just feels like it's regressing.
Speaker 2: So nothing is good right now, like nothing feels helpful
Speaker 2: or supportive for us. And so I think it also
Speaker 2: was hard to celebrate on a national level, Like a
Speaker 2: national level is challenging. I think in a local level,
Speaker 2: it has been different, right Like I like I've seen
Speaker 2: like I've seen like I've seen people do celebrity on
Speaker 2: local levels really out loud and really like like like likely,
Speaker 2: like when I was in Francisco during Prime Month, like
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, like I know people like really
Speaker 2: loving and living right now, and that was really nicely.
Speaker 3: I know, like every people go around every weekend.
Speaker 2: I know, people go around every weekend endo the trans March,
Speaker 2: the transmart and then the People's March, Like I know,
Speaker 2: people shut up for that. So I think locally, especially
Speaker 2: maybe even California. Right in California, maybe people people are
Speaker 2: living a little bit differently right in other parts of
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 3: You know. I think for me, how to being prayer alive?
Speaker 2: I mean, July Pride month in San Diego, so we
Speaker 2: got none of the pride already, and then we then
Speaker 2: in August we're doing our Black Pride Festival.
Speaker 1: Amen.
Speaker 2: Amen, So I got a whole quarter of pride, baby,
Speaker 2: I got a whole quarter three months. Probably honestly, afterwards,
Speaker 2: I might be like, yeah, I'MMB pride. This is I'm exhausted.
Speaker 2: I'm exhausted.
Speaker 4: Pride.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's like you know, I I think I
Speaker 2: think it's staying alive in some ways because we're really
Speaker 2: like I think in some ways it's like a stronger
Speaker 2: commitment to your point living out loud because we know
Speaker 2: that we're know that the people in charge of empower
Speaker 2: above us are trying to erase us, and so we're like,
Speaker 2: let's actually like let's not allowed in general, but let's
Speaker 2: let's say, let's like live harder than ever before because
Speaker 2: like they won't be able to be able to erase us. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then I also have some thoughts about but I'll
Speaker 2: say I'll save the rest of my thoughts have a
Speaker 2: little rant about it.
Speaker 1: Good, Okay, okay, good. I love when we have And
Speaker 1: I will also say this, like, I love this episode
Speaker 1: is just us because I feel like we have the
Speaker 1: space and the time to really kind of like go off.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why there's a lot that I want
Speaker 1: to say too, And so I'm kind of like, let
Speaker 1: me just go ahead and I'll hope that for our
Speaker 1: last second.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I like when it's just us two on the
Speaker 1: on the mic because we don't really have to worry
Speaker 1: about because you know, our guests, they'd be like, oh
Speaker 1: lord Jesus, these people look crazy. So it'll be really
Speaker 1: good for us to be able to go.
Speaker 2: Off, all right, well, fam another to let the world
Speaker 2: know that we are here and we are in fact queer,
Speaker 2: and that we don't still don't let the taste of beer. Yeah,
Speaker 2: go take a quick break and come back with this
Speaker 2: week's category more in just a second.
Speaker 1: Amen, All right, Charle, and we are back. So it
Speaker 1: has been a minute since we have done kind of
Speaker 1: a movie breakdown. We've done a couple of different films.
Speaker 1: We did the Renaissance film. We did a film very
Speaker 1: very very very early, and when we first started the show,
Speaker 1: and so I figured that we take it back, oh
Speaker 1: the way back, and we do kind of the same
Speaker 1: thing all things consider that, you know, stuff feels heavy
Speaker 1: in the world. I know people probably think that we're
Speaker 1: going to come to the mic and we're going to
Speaker 1: just talk about all the stuff that's happening in the world,
Speaker 1: And honestly, we will touch on that a little bit later.
Speaker 1: I said, let's do something that's kind of light, funished,
Speaker 1: but also still has a very kind of like deep
Speaker 1: sentiment or something important for us to look at. And
Speaker 1: so this week we are going to talk about that film. Yes,
Speaker 1: we are talking about Sinners. We have not talked about sinners.
Speaker 1: I ultimately have kind of stayed away from talking about
Speaker 1: Centers because truly I wanted people to be able to
Speaker 1: see it. I wanted people to be able to kind
Speaker 1: of like see it make their own kind of decisions
Speaker 1: about how they feel about the film before we break
Speaker 1: it down. And considering that it is getting ready to
Speaker 1: head over to streaming I think as of today, so
Speaker 1: we're actually recording on the fourth. So for those of you,
Speaker 1: by the time you hear this, it'll actually be it
Speaker 1: will have been out for a couple of days. You
Speaker 1: can I think it's on streaming on Max. You can
Speaker 1: go to Max. Yeah, and you can watch it there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: HBO Max. I should be very clear about that because
Speaker 1: they just changed their name again and we appreciate it. Right.
Speaker 1: You know, people have the right to call themselves what
Speaker 1: they want to call themselves. And so with that being said,
Speaker 1: HBO Max and I. What I also know Slash heard
Speaker 1: is that there is an actual black ASL version too.
Speaker 1: So those of you who yeah, for those who may
Speaker 1: have family members, are people in your circle who are
Speaker 1: our I think it's I want to make sure that
Speaker 1: I say it the right way. Death or hard of
Speaker 1: hearing they ultimately can go on and watch the film
Speaker 1: in ASL as well as in black ASL, which I
Speaker 1: didn't know that Ryan Coogler knew ASL. So that's actually
Speaker 1: really really cool to know that that's something he was
Speaker 1: intentional about with this film coming out to streaming. So
Speaker 1: with that being said, we are going to talk about
Speaker 1: the film, but we're not going to directly talk about
Speaker 1: the film in the ways that other people may have
Speaker 1: talked may talk about the film, or in our traditional
Speaker 1: journalistic way. We're not going to do like a traditional review,
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. What I really wanted to dive
Speaker 1: into is, you know, I've watched the film maybe three
Speaker 1: or four times. Actually I think I've watched it maybe
Speaker 1: more than four times at this point. And yeah, oddly enough,
Speaker 1: I really when I first watched it, I was like eh,
Speaker 1: And then I watched it again and I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: this film is actually a little bit deeper than what
Speaker 1: I like what I initially watched it. For the third time.
Speaker 1: When I watched that, I was watching it just purely
Speaker 1: on cinematography and the colors and trying to understand what
Speaker 1: decisions Ryan was making as a as a director in
Speaker 1: terms of like a DP style, and then I think
Speaker 1: the fourth time that I've watched it, it was just
Speaker 1: I wanted to watch it because I just I thought
Speaker 1: it was a great film, and I wanted to watch
Speaker 1: it again. So that being said, I wanted to dive
Speaker 1: into a conversation about what the film says about who
Speaker 1: we let into our lives, specifically now, and why BFF
Speaker 1: needs to be cautious about the white gaze, And what
Speaker 1: I mean is that it's a double Ontandra Honey talking
Speaker 1: about the gaze gaze and then also the white gaze
Speaker 1: days and again, this is not I want to make
Speaker 1: this very clear that this conversation is not a direct
Speaker 1: attack on anybody, but I think there is a I
Speaker 1: think it's a it's more of a conversation about queer culture,
Speaker 1: and specifically queer white culture, and the ways that we
Speaker 1: as black fat films off in times kind of just
Speaker 1: let that culture kind of like move around us, and
Speaker 1: we don't check it. We don't, we don't seem to,
Speaker 1: we don't engage it as much as we probably and
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, right, So I wanted us to
Speaker 1: kind of look at it from the frame or from
Speaker 1: the lands of centers and really thinking about how the
Speaker 1: two kind of coalesced. So with that being said, I
Speaker 1: wanted to first ask you, Joho, now that it has
Speaker 1: been a few months since you've seen the film, is
Speaker 1: there anything that has really stuck out for you? I know,
Speaker 1: for me, one of the things that really jumped out
Speaker 1: at me after like processing the film is the idea
Speaker 1: that there are so many of us who are thirsty
Speaker 1: for belonging and wanting to be seen and loved, and
Speaker 1: that sometimes we fall into the wrong circles. And I
Speaker 1: think a lot back to like when I was in
Speaker 1: college specifically, and I was thinking a lot about how,
Speaker 1: like I thought being a club kid was going to
Speaker 1: be the thing that brought me the you know, oh,
Speaker 1: if I go to the club all the time, and
Speaker 1: if I'm always partying, if I'm always if I'm always
Speaker 1: out there with the dolls, right, that's the community. That's
Speaker 1: the thing that's going to bring me the clarity that
Speaker 1: I need or the thing I wanted. And I was
Speaker 1: thinking a lot about what is her name? Mary? I
Speaker 1: was thinking the whole this entire segment. As I was
Speaker 1: putting the segment together, I was thinking a lot about
Speaker 1: Mary and about this idea of like how you it's
Speaker 1: almost it's not talked about, but it's almost kind of like,
Speaker 1: we know Mary doesn't really know her identity that well,
Speaker 1: and and and she's looking at, you know, these these
Speaker 1: twin brothers to kind of be her her her beacon
Speaker 1: of of of access to understanding herself better and how
Speaker 1: that basically screws her over in the end. So that
Speaker 1: was one of the things I thought a lot about
Speaker 1: with that, and I would love to know your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that as well.
Speaker 2: Living on my breading glasses because scholar, Okay, that's m h.
Speaker 2: The first half of the show, Girl, I was just
Speaker 2: I was just vibes, working on vibes, Thank God, Thank God,
Speaker 2: think God, I know my cues in my lines because
Speaker 2: God the ship. So I love her thought so much,
Speaker 2: and I honestly do even think about it until this moment,
Speaker 2: like the to let me in peace, right, because like
Speaker 2: I love to you from because in the movie it's
Speaker 2: like it's about it's about manipulation, trying to take advantage
Speaker 2: of someone that you feel is weaker than you by
Speaker 2: manipulating them to do something you want. But like it's
Speaker 2: under the guy's a fellowship, which I think is really
Speaker 2: interesting and like in some cases, I feel like, so
Speaker 2: I won't watch the movie once, but I think about
Speaker 2: a lot. Actually I had a lot of debates the
Speaker 2: people about why I thought was such a fantastic film.
Speaker 2: And you had the idea of vampires also just in
Speaker 2: Tuca's vampires are just as like blood sucking creatures blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. But like in this film and and many
Speaker 2: like in many actually lower vampires, right, Like there is
Speaker 2: this idea fellowship like you you turn people like you.
Speaker 2: You don't just kill me, You turn them because you
Speaker 2: want to build. You want to build this like commune
Speaker 2: commune up of vampires. And so I think it's like
Speaker 2: sometimes like I think, like we're willing. I wonder are
Speaker 2: we willing to be just somempowered to feel belonging?
Speaker 3: Right, like do we allow you?
Speaker 2: Are we willing to say I relinquished my power and
Speaker 2: my dad so I can fel belonging. But that isn't
Speaker 2: actually belonging right like that like that is that is
Speaker 2: just control? And how many times right in social constructs
Speaker 2: or government are are are we made to feel disempowered?
Speaker 2: And or do we give up our freedom of agency
Speaker 2: to belong somewhere I feel like we belong somewhere, right,
Speaker 2: like you talking about.
Speaker 3: How you're like like like like I should be a
Speaker 3: club kid.
Speaker 2: Right, It's like you giving a part of yourself to
Speaker 2: say I'm gonna get I'm gonna give myself to this,
Speaker 2: to this piece of life so I can belong. But
Speaker 2: like it's actually it's also rejecting a different part of
Speaker 2: you as well too, just club kid. And so I
Speaker 2: think that's really that's that's that's interesting. I think a
Speaker 2: lot about the character Grace, one of the shopkeepers, Grace,
Speaker 2: you know, the Chinese American couple, because like this is
Speaker 2: such a metaphor of the white gays, right, Like the
Speaker 2: choice that Grace has to make to go between the
Speaker 2: white store and the non white store, her demeanor has
Speaker 2: to change, you know, it leaves me no wonder which
Speaker 2: one's the real one for her? Does she feel like
Speaker 2: herself in the white store? Does she feel like herself
Speaker 2: in the non story? Because she had because she has
Speaker 2: she has a little add to her. She has a little sass, right,
Speaker 2: she has a little sass. She talks differently, you know,
Speaker 2: I asked often did she feel free at the juke joint? Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: And also as a trans American at that moment in
Speaker 2: time under the model minority myth?
Speaker 3: Could she ever askally feel free?
Speaker 2: Right? Sometimes? I think, and this is gonna a hot take.
Speaker 2: The freeest choice she had was was inviting in the vampires. Yeah,
Speaker 2: yea clear, I hate that, right, And I said, Grace,
Speaker 2: why But that was her freest choice, right one, because
Speaker 2: there they were about getting her daughter and she was like,
Speaker 2: I'm not having that and she and she was like
Speaker 2: I'm not going to like I'm not going to turn,
Speaker 2: I'm going to fight, right, and then killing her husband
Speaker 2: and burning and this was where like say what she
Speaker 2: wants about her choices, that's a bad bitch. She killed
Speaker 2: her husband and then burned with him alive. She put
Speaker 2: a steak in him, and she could have follow the vampire,
Speaker 2: but I will say I was like gregy because if
Speaker 2: you could have fought more people, she put a steak
Speaker 2: in his heart and as he burned alive, and she
Speaker 2: and she said she's and burned with him like like
Speaker 2: like like like that is like like like that is wild, right,
Speaker 2: and right like that that was free will because you
Speaker 2: would have me burdened with somebody like that where you
Speaker 2: have hello, you I'm stop dropping and rolling immediately.
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna burn here. I'm gonna find these vampires,
Speaker 3: she said.
Speaker 2: She in some cases, I'm like, you are so annoying,
Speaker 2: Grace you lisaid, I'm gonna call them all and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take out one of them.
Speaker 3: That's it. I've done my job, took out one of them.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: There's not like no, this is not like fifty little.
Speaker 2: Bit more of them. But I really, like, I really
Speaker 2: was like, oh, like this is probably like her most
Speaker 2: free choice that she made was I'm gonna, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna and I'm going to
Speaker 2: like take my husband back in that way. I'm also like,
Speaker 2: so what about your daughter, girl, because like what was
Speaker 2: now like she had no parents, Like we're just we're
Speaker 2: just gonna leave her behind. I also think a lot
Speaker 2: about uh, I think a lot about the main the
Speaker 2: main music scene where the music of the past and
Speaker 2: present and future come to live.
Speaker 3: That Okay, that scene.
Speaker 2: I believe it's one of the greatest and amatic moments
Speaker 2: I've ever seen in the film. Like, and that scene
Speaker 2: is what makes a film and not a movie. That
Speaker 2: is a film already, but that scene I thought was
Speaker 2: Chef's kiss Chef. I love that they like they like
Speaker 2: they also like also they also infused traditional Chinese music
Speaker 2: or like performance and Chinese performances that as well too,
Speaker 2: to honor Gray Cimbo.
Speaker 3: And that I like, that was just like it was
Speaker 3: so good.
Speaker 2: So I think that's when I think about a lot
Speaker 2: to that's that six was me because it also shows
Speaker 2: up like music is also freedom. Really it is, and
Speaker 2: like like like like like the like blues and itself
Speaker 2: as a genre is like is like about like like
Speaker 2: like aspiring for freedom in some ways. Yeah, so this
Speaker 2: entirely they was just it was. It was gorgeous.
Speaker 3: It was just all gorgeous.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to ask you what character did you you know,
Speaker 2: you mentioned Mary earlier. What character did you do the
Speaker 2: most connection with. Was it was it her?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was it was. I will say this, you know,
Speaker 1: I and again, there are parts of me that understands
Speaker 1: Sammy's plight, right, this idea of like living between two worlds, right,
Speaker 1: and and that's also kind of you know, to to
Speaker 1: the notion of this this conversation. You know, Sammy was
Speaker 1: very much in this mind of you know, I'm being
Speaker 1: told to be this person you know here, but I
Speaker 1: also want to be this person there, and I want,
Speaker 1: I want, and then I want to be my own person. Right,
Speaker 1: we could we could see like there was this idea
Speaker 1: of like who my father wants me to be, who
Speaker 1: my cousins want me to be, and then there's who
Speaker 1: I want to be. But I really really vibed with
Speaker 1: the the undertone of Mary mary storyline from the moment
Speaker 1: they introduced her. Right, there was the sense of longing
Speaker 1: that I could, I could, I could pick up from
Speaker 1: her and and and and I know some people would
Speaker 1: be like why would you pick Mary out of all
Speaker 1: the people in that film? You know, I think even
Speaker 1: with all the therapy I've done, all the self work
Speaker 1: I've done, the writing I've done, like everything that I've done,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, obviously I wrote a whole fucking book
Speaker 1: about it, I still revert back to this idea of
Speaker 1: wanting people to want me or to like me. And
Speaker 1: that's kind of what I got from Mary, right, Like
Speaker 1: this idea of she knew it was who the names
Speaker 1: I know it was, it sticks and smoking, she was
Speaker 1: with stack, right, Okay, I'm right okay, So yeah, so
Speaker 1: this idea of like, she knows, she knows who Stacks is,
Speaker 1: she knows what both you know, smoking Stack does. But
Speaker 1: there's this idea of like, even with him doing her
Speaker 1: so dirty, she's still is you know, she's willing to
Speaker 1: in so many ways put her life in his hands.
Speaker 1: So that way he can turn around and say, you know,
Speaker 1: I see it for you. I you know, I still
Speaker 1: want you blah blah blah blah blah, even though he
Speaker 1: really doesn't make it clear to her, like I mean,
Speaker 1: there is no real There is no real you know,
Speaker 1: as much as she's trying to push, he's pulling. And
Speaker 1: that's literally what I see in their entire relationship throughout
Speaker 1: the duration of of their time being quote unquote human.
Speaker 1: And so for me, you know, I think a lot
Speaker 1: about this idea of like, you know, even the wrong people,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, sometimes we want the wrong people
Speaker 1: to want us. And I often I'll say this on
Speaker 1: you know, on the air. I think about it. You know,
Speaker 1: the entertainment industry, right, Like, I know how awful the
Speaker 1: industry is. I know how awful terrible people, you know,
Speaker 1: I can't I know how terrible people can be. In
Speaker 1: the industry, and there is still a longing for me
Speaker 1: to say, oh, I want someone to buy my show,
Speaker 1: or I want someone to see it for me, or
Speaker 1: I want someone to validate all of this work that
Speaker 1: I've done. And it's a cycle. It's a vicious cycle.
Speaker 1: And so I think, you know, looking at Sinners, looking
Speaker 1: at Mary as a character, looking at myself in the mirror,
Speaker 1: really thinking about this idea of how you know, some
Speaker 1: of us our love languages, is to be wanted, is
Speaker 1: to be you know, to be seen quote unquote, And
Speaker 1: I think when you are a queer person or when
Speaker 1: you are a marginalized person who's constantly at you know,
Speaker 1: the crux of different oppressions in different you know, margins
Speaker 1: of things, right, it feels good, you know, when someone
Speaker 1: finally quote unquote lets you in, Right, it feels good
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, I'm finally in with the in crowd,
Speaker 1: even when we know that that in crowd could potentially
Speaker 1: And that's the thing I think most about, Like Mary
Speaker 1: knew who smoke and stacks was, she knew what was
Speaker 1: happening in that juke joint, and yes, she knew it
Speaker 1: was gonna be fun, and yes there was gonna be music,
Speaker 1: and there was gonna be all these things that were happening.
Speaker 1: But there's still this element in the back of her
Speaker 1: mind that she had to have thought something bad could
Speaker 1: happen to me being in this bad company, right, Like
Speaker 1: as much as smoke wasn't as bad as stack, there's
Speaker 1: still this element of something bad could potentially happen to me.
Speaker 1: And so I think that was something I thought a
Speaker 1: lot about of, like how so many of us are
Speaker 1: so willing to put ourselves in bad situations with bad people,
Speaker 1: is so that way we can be quote unquote accepted,
Speaker 1: if that makes.
Speaker 2: Sense, you know. So I so like I so, I
Speaker 2: really I think it's interesting to that because I think
Speaker 2: I saw as she knows something that can happen to them,
Speaker 2: like I saw as like she knows something that could
Speaker 2: happen to them as she goes, because she passes so much.
Speaker 2: And I think like and I think like like like
Speaker 2: a lot of folks love to hate Mary and I
Speaker 2: and I and I and I understand, Yeah, I get
Speaker 2: it too, But I do find her interest. I do
Speaker 2: find her interesting too, because I think like, like I think,
Speaker 2: to me, like her complexity is that like she wants
Speaker 2: in which she can feel like she can feel her
Speaker 2: blackness more and like and like she's willing to announce
Speaker 2: her whiteness to do it, Like she was willing to
Speaker 2: announce her whiteness when she was with when she was
Speaker 2: with Stacks, to do it. But he pulled away because
Speaker 2: he because he because he because he was like girl,
Speaker 2: work from two different worlds, like like like like they
Speaker 2: see me and you like they won't see that your
Speaker 2: grandfather is bi racial girl like like operating off a
Speaker 2: one drop a little bit, which is like which could
Speaker 2: be probabotic in some ways, right, especially that time period,
Speaker 2: but like but like but like she she even says it,
Speaker 2: like she does she doesn't feel so connected to her whiteness,
Speaker 2: you know, and and and she's mad Stacks because she's
Speaker 2: mad Stacks because he missed he missed her mom's funeral. Funeral, yeah,
Speaker 2: and and and she loved her mom one but also
Speaker 2: I imagine her mom, but I imagine her mom was
Speaker 2: also was her mom also white or maybe her mom
Speaker 2: that's what it is, biracial? Like and like her mom
Speaker 2: like loves her embrace Stacks so much as well, and
Speaker 2: so like and so and so I think I.
Speaker 5: Think par part of her is like like, like you
Speaker 5: didn't want to be with me because you were so
Speaker 5: afraid of what the world would not think of this,
Speaker 5: But like my mom loved you and.
Speaker 3: You didn't want you can even show up for her
Speaker 3: and her be and my grief.
Speaker 2: But like, but but I still want to because I
Speaker 2: love you, but all but like but also like I
Speaker 2: want to be Like I think I think he sees
Speaker 2: as like you can't be in my world because it's
Speaker 2: dangerous for you, and she and she and she's like,
Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck, like I want to be
Speaker 2: part like part of your world aerial, you know. And
Speaker 2: so it's like I think like like I like, I
Speaker 2: think I do think she. I do think she's selfish
Speaker 2: in this way she says, I'm gonna go do this anyways,
Speaker 2: knowing that it could be.
Speaker 1: A bad look for that it could blow up.
Speaker 2: I don't think she's unsafe because I I think she
Speaker 2: she actually feels safe with them, right, Like she feels safe,
Speaker 2: she feel safe with them, but like I, at least
Speaker 2: I say for with them, she does she feels uncomfortable
Speaker 2: because it's like not her element typically, but she has
Speaker 2: to live. But I but I but I think she
Speaker 2: doesn't recognize that it makes them actually more unsafe because
Speaker 2: because if the clans people come and see her there
Speaker 2: there should be right, yeah, should be right and there
Speaker 2: should there should should shoot up the place more right
Speaker 2: because then like you know, the like you have the
Speaker 2: guard with the guard right cornbread the guard Yeah, like
Speaker 2: who was happy to see her? And it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: like I'm sorry, I I could make the funeral, but
Speaker 2: the undertone is like I couldn't make a girl because
Speaker 2: I was out in the fields working.
Speaker 3: The privilege that you have of.
Speaker 1: Like to be able to just come and go mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Right, like and which is I think you're also also
Speaker 2: your point of being like like let me in, Like
Speaker 2: she gets the privilege of walking between both roads in
Speaker 2: some way and and and others can't be let in.
Speaker 2: And I think, and I wonder sometimes if if stats
Speaker 2: was like if I'm with you, I always be at
Speaker 2: the door, but I can't come in the house. She can,
Speaker 2: like she she can, she can, but she doesn't feel belonging,
Speaker 2: right because because it could like like because like like
Speaker 2: there's that moment, there's that moment where I think the
Speaker 2: vampire is there and they like and they they imply
Speaker 2: like why is she there?
Speaker 3: Right, like why are you there?
Speaker 1: Like why did you get in?
Speaker 2: And she implies like these are my people, and so
Speaker 2: it's like like so she's she's fighting to be seen,
Speaker 2: but she doesn't unders hand the risk put everybody else.
Speaker 3: In by by doing that.
Speaker 2: And that's definitely I definitely like, I definitely don't. I
Speaker 2: definitely don't don't like that. And you know, like and
Speaker 2: and I think you're right about the wrong people because
Speaker 2: I think, like I think that like what makes Stacks
Speaker 2: wrong for her it is that like he is engaging
Speaker 2: and like in like that he's engaging and like them
Speaker 2: not consch activity and so and and and and so
Speaker 2: it's like the wrong person because it won't be good
Speaker 2: for her, but also it will engage him more and
Speaker 2: she and she would she would rather, I mean, so
Speaker 2: it's like something and that's also why Stacks pushed back, right,
Speaker 2: That's why you pull back from her. And there's that
Speaker 2: scene where there's that scene where he's like, we don't
Speaker 2: mean to say like like like like that I don't
Speaker 2: care about you like that you want to think about
Speaker 2: you every day, like like like I think like you said.
Speaker 1: What do you want from me?
Speaker 3: From men?
Speaker 2: But you know what, but ill to say at the
Speaker 2: very least heaviest Steinfeld gave me the line you can
Speaker 2: rob a bank, but you can't steal this. And I said,
Speaker 2: know what, I've never heard a real live and this
Speaker 2: a realer lit hasband said I live.
Speaker 3: I said, that is crazy, but you can't.
Speaker 1: I still would love to title this episode, but I
Speaker 1: know it's.
Speaker 2: A wild I think and I and I think I personally,
Speaker 2: I do feel I also feel connected to Sami as
Speaker 2: well too, because exactly what exactly what you said, Like
Speaker 2: he's the boy who wants more for her, for himself
Speaker 2: and his life, but he's fighting what those around him
Speaker 2: want him to do and want for him. So face
Speaker 2: find the pressure of obligation to stay where he's at,
Speaker 2: the pressure of obligation to impress his cousins and make
Speaker 2: them happy and do what they want.
Speaker 3: But you know, like all he wants me just to
Speaker 3: play music.
Speaker 2: So he wants to sing, like he wants to bring
Speaker 2: his little a little instrument and play and and and
Speaker 2: play place. That's an instrument that I don't know, I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is. That's like his instrument Okay,
Speaker 2: he wants to play this little string, his little strings.
Speaker 2: I like, I think I think it's a band.
Speaker 3: I think it's a band.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with.
Speaker 3: That's what AL want to do.
Speaker 2: He doesn't want to do right, but like everyone wants
Speaker 2: to be in a direction. And I think that's why
Speaker 2: I connected with him, because I I am always struggling
Speaker 2: between obligation to others and obligation to myself, and she's
Speaker 2: what I want. I'm choosing like the best decision for me,
Speaker 2: and like right, like like you like, I think like
Speaker 2: Mary and Sammuy are two different foils because like Mary,
Speaker 2: she's just to be selfish in a world that that
Speaker 2: will always like that will always for everything. And Sammy,
Speaker 2: she's gonna selfish word that gives him nothing right, right,
Speaker 2: And so it's it's like it's like herself just comes
Speaker 2: out of prize of others. Himself is just is totally
Speaker 2: for solely for himself, and that's a different thing. So yeah, okay, sorry, I'm.
Speaker 3: More more thoughts than I thought I had in that.
Speaker 1: That was like, no, it's fine, it's not that's what
Speaker 1: this is for, honey.
Speaker 3: So now I'm gonna go here.
Speaker 2: It might be a little spicy. I'm interested to know
Speaker 2: your thoughts on the idea of Cougar's commentary of needing
Speaker 2: to be safe around white around white folks, right, like
Speaker 2: you see different times where characters strive to be safe.
Speaker 3: And how that might translate into our own lives.
Speaker 2: Do know how much time we spend around white folks
Speaker 2: in our spending around white folks in our jobs and
Speaker 2: our personal lives?
Speaker 1: Mmm mm hmm. Yeah, So I guns Blaze and Honey,
Speaker 1: you know, I think this is a really great and
Speaker 1: this is why I love doing this show with you,
Speaker 1: because I think these conversations, you know, I I don't
Speaker 1: I wouldn't feel safe to have these conversations with everybody,
Speaker 1: And I always do feel very safe enough to be
Speaker 1: able to kind of engage these conversations with you, with
Speaker 1: you specifically because I feel like you're not looking for aha,
Speaker 1: got you moment When we when we talk about stuff
Speaker 1: like this, it's a very nuanced conversation of like we
Speaker 1: can talk truth, we can laugh about how fucked up
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff is, and then we can
Speaker 1: also really talk about like what it is. And so
Speaker 1: I want to say, like I I just before I
Speaker 1: even give my response, I definitely want to say, I
Speaker 1: appreciate you, you know, in unmited holding space for me
Speaker 1: to be able to kind of have these nuanced conversations
Speaker 1: like this right about how we how we see the world.
Speaker 1: So I just want to give you your roses on
Speaker 1: the air. Funny enough, as I was responding to this
Speaker 1: thought that you put on the dog, you know, I
Speaker 1: was holding my breath as I was responding because I knew,
Speaker 1: like I knew what I wanted to say. But I
Speaker 1: also want to make sure that I offer care and
Speaker 1: a lot of what I say specifically knowing that I
Speaker 1: do have a lot of white people that I truly
Speaker 1: do care about in my life, right my partner being
Speaker 1: one of them, you know, my manager being another one.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I have a couple of other you know, white friends
Speaker 1: that I genuinely believe are really great people and are
Speaker 1: their energy. Their energy is always we have to protect
Speaker 1: you and what i'm you meaning queer people, black people,
Speaker 1: like we have to keep you safe, right, And so
Speaker 1: I I want to say off the top, like this
Speaker 1: is not a direct shot at them, but I will
Speaker 1: say this that this film and and as I've and
Speaker 1: I've threaded about it, right, it is a great conversation
Speaker 1: or a great expos a I should say on how
Speaker 1: important it is for us to be honest with ourselves
Speaker 1: about the white folks that we have in our lives.
Speaker 1: And what I what I mean by that is by
Speaker 1: saying like, I think there's a lot of us, especially now,
Speaker 1: and I love that we waited to kind that I
Speaker 1: waited to give this response now before because of what
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier in the show. We're in
Speaker 1: a place now where we have there are multiple reasons
Speaker 1: why we are where we are in this country period,
Speaker 1: right the but I think a big part of it,
Speaker 1: right so, so we can talk about how selfish white
Speaker 1: people have been, We can talk about how you know,
Speaker 1: white people are only ever really invested in their own
Speaker 1: best interest. We can talk for days about you know,
Speaker 1: all the things. You know, Oh, it's just they've been
Speaker 1: oppressive by nature. But I think a lot of it
Speaker 1: also is we as black people, as brown people, we
Speaker 1: let white people get away with a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: around us. And I think that's the thing that I
Speaker 1: think we really need to kind of like address. And
Speaker 1: so what I mean by that is, you know, mine
Speaker 1: included is that I believe there are good white people,
Speaker 1: and what I and what and I you know, all
Speaker 1: both sides. They're terrible black people just as much as
Speaker 1: they're terrible white people. Yes, there are white there are
Speaker 1: black people who voted for Trump and all of that, right,
Speaker 1: But what I mean by that is is that you know,
Speaker 1: there are moments where I see white privilege seep out
Speaker 1: in the white folks that I have in my life,
Speaker 1: and I have to make that active decision. Am I
Speaker 1: going to fuck up the inner in this room because
Speaker 1: I'm calling out the thing that they just said or
Speaker 1: did that bothers me? Or am I just gonna let
Speaker 1: it slide? And I think a lot of us, especially
Speaker 1: in queer spaces too, right, because you think, right, I
Speaker 1: have to fight all of these years to get into
Speaker 1: a space to where I can finally feel like I'm
Speaker 1: safe here, I'm comfortable here, or that I have my
Speaker 1: people here, and then this white gay or this white
Speaker 1: queer person that you think you trust says or does
Speaker 1: something that's problematic. Now you're like, fuck, do I fuck
Speaker 1: up the relationship that I have with them by calling
Speaker 1: them out because they may misunderstand me, or they may
Speaker 1: feel attacked or all of these different things. But I
Speaker 1: think that there's something to be said here about this
Speaker 1: idea of we have to be willing and responsible and held,
Speaker 1: we have to hold people accountable and so regardless of
Speaker 1: who it is in our lives, right, whether it be
Speaker 1: black people or to be white people. And so I think,
Speaker 1: you know, my bottom line, and what I'm really trying
Speaker 1: to say is that, like you have to ask yourself,
Speaker 1: what do these relationships bring me? And what might they
Speaker 1: take away? In the case of Stacks, right, So, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't want to. You know, there's there's
Speaker 1: so there's so many dynamics between Mary and Stacks and
Speaker 1: that whole you know, Mary running out and then you know,
Speaker 1: getting attacked and then coming back in and basically being
Speaker 1: the reason why the entire operation falls apart, right because
Speaker 1: it starts with Mary. There's a lot that we can
Speaker 1: talk about around that, right, But I think that there's
Speaker 1: something that needs to be had around what we take
Speaker 1: away from the relationships we have with people who don't
Speaker 1: share the same identities that we have. I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing I really walk away from with Sinners. There
Speaker 1: are so many other things, but that's something that has
Speaker 1: really been sitting with me, right is you know why?
Speaker 1: Why is there? I'll say this and then I'll shut up.
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm talking a lot. I often wonder
Speaker 1: why there are so many black and brown folks who
Speaker 1: really want to be in a space full of nothing
Speaker 1: but white people. That's something I think think a lot about.
Speaker 1: And then I also think a lot about why are
Speaker 1: there so many white people who want to be in
Speaker 1: spaces with nothing but black people? And we hear this,
Speaker 1: right why you know? Well, why is? Why do black
Speaker 1: people need their own space? Nikka? Why do you want
Speaker 1: to be in a space full of black people? You like,
Speaker 1: you have your own spaces where you need to be.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't want to be in my space. Right, That's
Speaker 1: a privileged thing. You want to take up my space
Speaker 1: because you everything, you want everything to feel. So so
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on a soap box here, But
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like I think there's something to be
Speaker 1: said about the ways and the relationships and the spaces.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? I make am I making sense?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: I think like like like there's so many thoughts with
Speaker 2: this because like like I'm trying to try to remember,
Speaker 2: like because Mary went out because she was like, I'll
Speaker 2: talk to them, right because I'll be the to them
Speaker 2: because like I'm one of them, right, yes, you know,
Speaker 2: I get them, I get them, I get them. Her
Speaker 2: dumb ass turned her back and that and and then
Speaker 2: then she got got which was so like and like
Speaker 2: and like and like and right. She's she's trying to
Speaker 2: wield her whiteness to be a good thing to help.
Speaker 2: Doesn't help girl all the time the time. This is
Speaker 2: not a girl. You're ruined, ruin. Then you said let
Speaker 2: me in the house and they said you're Mary, and
Speaker 2: then you can. Then then you fucking killed. Then you
Speaker 2: kill your man Dieball who worked that all who work
Speaker 2: I do like I you know, I and like and
Speaker 2: and I agree like they are, Like I totally hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying, because I think it is suspect if
Speaker 2: non block folks want to be in black spaces, like
Speaker 2: I just think I think it's suspect because you can't
Speaker 2: build an entire country off of seconding.
Speaker 1: Does you? You? You mama? Who was now why you
Speaker 1: gotta come why you got to eggs to come in now?
Speaker 2: And oh hell yes, hell yes, hell yes. Any from
Speaker 2: jump said something is not right, girls, something's not right
Speaker 2: and the way the way she oh, justice for my
Speaker 2: girl Annie, because no one listened to her. She was like,
Speaker 2: she said, y'all need to ask questions. Y'all asked the
Speaker 2: quick questions, y'all. Why she why do y'all asked to
Speaker 2: come in? Why you can't walk in yourself? I think
Speaker 2: I think you're good? Would you think, she said? She says, no,
Speaker 2: let me get some growling for you. Look at some
Speaker 2: woman juice splashing the face. Oh oh, you can't come in,
Speaker 2: bit chuck into a van. But that's why I thought
Speaker 2: she has everyone. She literally she gave. She said, y'all
Speaker 2: have one job. Don't let them in that. Don't let
Speaker 2: me tonight, just survive and tell. But and again, then
Speaker 2: that bitch Grace had to say come in and literally
Speaker 2: if like like, I don't like again her character I
Speaker 2: think is so interesting to me.
Speaker 3: But lovingly I would kill her.
Speaker 1: I would have definitely had to die.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, chopped the throat with will like if I'm
Speaker 2: not moving girl, and I'm Annie, girl, you're bestie, but
Speaker 2: you gotta go. Nope, you said, you said nope, Grace,
Speaker 2: And I saw I saw her slipping. I saw her
Speaker 2: slipping and if it was it was me, I've been like,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, girl, but I I gotta get you now
Speaker 2: while I still can, like because I.
Speaker 3: See you sleeping in into hell right now, just trash.
Speaker 2: But like I was saying, I do, like, yes, I
Speaker 2: think it is sus when when when when like I
Speaker 2: mean I think it's sus when like I think it's
Speaker 2: sus when like like like when non blackfosts want want
Speaker 2: to be in back post stuff like so badly right,
Speaker 2: like for example, like I like one thing about law
Speaker 2: is obviously I said, I know where I am helping
Speaker 2: plan we're playing Black Pride and the festival, and you know,
Speaker 2: like like and I have a lot of like non
Speaker 2: black friends who are like can I come?
Speaker 3: Like it was not okay?
Speaker 2: And I appretire I'm asking right and like and like
Speaker 2: like like one legally we can't say no, but also
Speaker 2: like but also yes, our festival is like for everyone
Speaker 2: and everyone to come to as long as you're okay
Speaker 2: with like them centering blackness, right, but like you know,
Speaker 2: I apprecion that they asked, like is there a purple
Speaker 2: that I come? Because that diamonds are mindful of like
Speaker 2: they're not trying they're not like saying that, they're not trying.
Speaker 1: To be about they're not trying to take off space business.
Speaker 3: They're like, you know, let me you tell me they
Speaker 3: can do it. Versions there are folks who are like.
Speaker 2: Who are all who are all who are all about business?
Speaker 1: Like what like why do you why is you here?
Speaker 2: Why is you here?
Speaker 3: Like why you need to be doing what I'm doing this?
Speaker 2: Like yes, I think I think you make persons and
Speaker 2: like and it's a privileg's white privilege, right, It's like yeah,
Speaker 2: but privilege is it's white dominance right, Like it's it's
Speaker 2: it's it's all systems of dominance. Two to be like
Speaker 2: I want to be like I want to be in
Speaker 2: your business, right, you know, I think it's like like
Speaker 2: like the same way like the there's a whole point
Speaker 2: with like like with the whole group of white folks
Speaker 2: and they're they're all subs. They're they're like they're like
Speaker 2: the you know, the empire. They're like, why do you
Speaker 2: want to come in here? He's like all the music
Speaker 2: just sounds great, and they're like, I mean, yeah, it's great,
Speaker 2: but like you can all way out here for that, right?
Speaker 2: Yeah's I want fellowship.
Speaker 1: Jerl you could do that somewhere else.
Speaker 2: I'm right, it's the it's the what nineteen forties? What? Why?
Speaker 2: Why do I let you? Why am I? Why am
Speaker 2: I gonna let you.
Speaker 3: Join?
Speaker 2: You can go followship anywhere else you want followship?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 1: Go away? Please go away? Yeah, no, you're you're You're
Speaker 1: so right. And I think you know, I will say this,
Speaker 1: Christ you can cut this out. We are literally almost
Speaker 1: at an hour talking about this film, so obviously like this,
Speaker 1: this literally means like this is such a great film
Speaker 1: that we keep here's it. Yeah, I really do too, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, when when I genuinely thought it was
Speaker 1: gonna be over hyped, and like I said, when I
Speaker 1: first watched it, I watched it, you know, just for
Speaker 1: the oh it's a film, And then I watched it
Speaker 1: again from like the creative lens, and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this film is actually a lot deeper burn than what
Speaker 1: people what people really let on. And so I I
Speaker 1: really do I do want to say, like I hope
Speaker 1: Ryan hears this. I hope, actually, you know what, Chris
Speaker 1: keep all of this in. I do hope that Ryan
Speaker 1: gets you know, someone puts it in his ears that
Speaker 1: we over on the Black Fat Fem Podcast really saw
Speaker 1: it for this film and took something really important for it.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, now that you have had
Speaker 1: to beg your auntie's cousins, uncles, sister's mama for a
Speaker 1: Max password to watch this movie, we are going to
Speaker 1: take a quick break and when we get back, we're
Speaker 1: gonna have more show.
Speaker 3: Okay, fan, we are black.
Speaker 2: I mean there's a few weeks ago and y'all seem
Speaker 2: to really like it, so we thought we'd bring it
Speaker 2: back again today. But this week we're talking about what's
Speaker 2: on our plate. We're calling it movie Edition, and we're
Speaker 2: going through.
Speaker 1: This week.
Speaker 2: We're talking all things through your snacks and asked an
Speaker 2: eight h old question, how do you like your popcorn?
Speaker 2: And what's on top of that? Girl?
Speaker 1: You got so black?
Speaker 2: It's we got questions, we got to answers. So let's
Speaker 2: see you go down the list. What seasons do you
Speaker 2: have on popcorn?
Speaker 1: My seasoning is so oh bitch okay, so let me
Speaker 1: let me put you on. My partner does this thing
Speaker 1: where he will oh god, this is so fat. We
Speaker 1: will open the bag up and then we like we'll
Speaker 1: actually like, we don't microwave it. We put it in
Speaker 1: like a pan, and then we add a little bit
Speaker 1: more butter, and we add more Parmesian cheese to it.
Speaker 1: It's some garlic sauce. Bitch, take you to the moon.
Speaker 1: It is so good. That is literally when I'm at home,
Speaker 1: if I'm eating popcorn, that it's really the only way
Speaker 1: I want to eat it.
Speaker 2: Do you bring your own spices to the theater? Because like,
Speaker 2: because that that's that's that's the level block. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get you everyone with spices.
Speaker 1: Because I used to have, yeah.
Speaker 2: Something, and I love the ones I do because I
Speaker 2: will fuck up the parmesanmesan. Some limits of lemon pepper butter.
Speaker 1: I no lemon pepper popcorn girl, I love that.
Speaker 2: Ship girl, No, no, no. One time my friend had
Speaker 2: about how broad. She bought her own little thing of butter,
Speaker 2: which to me out because I like the butter is
Speaker 2: And then she.
Speaker 1: Hold up paus she bought a thing of butter.
Speaker 2: She bout her own little like melted down butter, and
Speaker 2: I was like, no, that's so that's a wild girl.
Speaker 1: But she said butter, but what is it? Butter ingredients?
Speaker 2: He said that I want my pure natural butter, I said,
Speaker 2: go off girl that she had she had a little
Speaker 2: spice mix of loveon pepper.
Speaker 3: That ship was delicious.
Speaker 1: Definitely ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love.
Speaker 2: I think I love like like I'm not a sweet
Speaker 2: popping girl. I want, I want, I want that ship
Speaker 2: to be like nice and spice. I something. I don't
Speaker 2: pens like that normally, but it has all pins on
Speaker 2: popcorn with that too. I love it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not me. I will never be allowabes.
Speaker 3: Not for me.
Speaker 1: Not for me, babes, Nope, not for me. Babe.
Speaker 2: Do you have do you have a favorite movie candy?
Speaker 2: I'm not big candy girl, but if I do, you
Speaker 2: want candy, it will be probably Eminem's.
Speaker 1: Peanuts butterfingers, butterfingers, but you know it also was good.
Speaker 1: If you really want to shake shit up, get you
Speaker 1: a kid's popcorn combo and take those little Eminem's that
Speaker 1: they give you and mix it in with the popcorn.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's the Chico right, that's the Checo.
Speaker 1: Yes, because you mixed the man and you get the
Speaker 1: sweet and you get the salty. The baby yes, yes,
Speaker 1: that's a hat.
Speaker 2: That a hack. Okay, do you think anything?
Speaker 1: In so Growing up? I used to be that girls.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I think a lot of it has
Speaker 1: to do with, like again, access and costs, right, I
Speaker 1: mean money, right. So when we were growing up, it
Speaker 1: was the idea of my mom saying, I'm not spending
Speaker 1: you know, twenty because movies, quiet as movies have always
Speaker 1: been expensive, no matter, no matter when, no matter how
Speaker 1: you think about it, movies have always been costly, even
Speaker 1: when seven dollars was like, this was just seven dollars
Speaker 1: for a film. Seven dollars for a film was expensive
Speaker 1: at that time. Yeah, So my mom was always like,
Speaker 1: I'm not spending because it would be me, her, you know,
Speaker 1: my cousins, we would all want to go. She's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not spending fifty dollars for a movie and also
Speaker 1: spending stuff, you know, on on popcorn and all that
Speaker 1: and stuff. So we would sneak candy in, we would
Speaker 1: sneak sometimes food in. My cousin was notorious for sneaking
Speaker 1: in like chicken and sneaking in rice.
Speaker 2: Like.
Speaker 1: She would have full plates of like food that she
Speaker 1: would pass down to us. Auntie Landa May I love her,
Speaker 1: but she was hood and she made sure that we
Speaker 1: had everything that we needed when we went to the
Speaker 1: movie there we have potato salad, we behaving watermelon. It
Speaker 1: was just a lot of stuff that you probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: be eating. In the movies, we would be eating like
Speaker 1: a full meal. And I love Yolanda for that, I
Speaker 1: really do. But other than that, we normally would just
Speaker 1: sneak in candy from like seven to eleven or something.
Speaker 1: But what about you?
Speaker 2: You know, I always think about the scene from Tire
Speaker 2: movie where Brenda brings like a whole she wants, like
Speaker 2: a whole Picnica Sun, not the ship I aspire for.
Speaker 2: I don't be great. I live, but like and like,
Speaker 2: that's what I fire for. I don't because I can't
Speaker 2: have like a bag or someone right and like and
Speaker 2: like and like, and I'd be like, mom my, mom,
Speaker 2: pushing your purse. I'm not putting this my purse. We're
Speaker 2: not walking like that. No, I'm not now that I don't.
Speaker 2: I have my own bath, so I will hardly bring
Speaker 2: some I one time.
Speaker 3: I brought wings in. I brought wings in.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't do is tell me I'm not
Speaker 2: being wings like.
Speaker 1: So this is this is a good question. This is
Speaker 1: this is something that I I go back and forth
Speaker 1: with people about this. I know AMC has like the
Speaker 1: dining and whatever. I think their food is nasty, but
Speaker 1: I also just don't love the idea of like eating
Speaker 1: while I'm trying to watch a movie. And again, I'm
Speaker 1: not yucking anybody's young. I'm just saying like the thought
Speaker 1: for me of like trying to focus. Like sometimes when
Speaker 1: I eat, I like to.
Speaker 2: Be foods, the food, the phocus of the film.
Speaker 3: It's films, no food.
Speaker 2: I'm not here for. I'm here to have I maybe
Speaker 2: a little sacky pousa movie.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat before after. That's like the probably the
Speaker 3: whole experience.
Speaker 1: We're gonna eat before or after the movie is.
Speaker 2: Part of the experience when you eat, like you have
Speaker 2: dinner before you or have a stack before, then you
Speaker 2: have dinner afterwards, and you yeah about the movie the
Speaker 2: film like like like that, like that's that's the social
Speaker 2: contract that we all signed when we came in here today.
Speaker 2: Do not don't fuck up the flow by saying, let
Speaker 2: me order me a burger?
Speaker 1: Why are you eating in the movie, And people and
Speaker 1: like people like I.
Speaker 2: Know because because like dinning, movie theaters are like a
Speaker 2: bigger different states, and like like I remember the first
Speaker 2: time I heard about my dad.
Speaker 3: My dad was in Texas visiting my brother.
Speaker 2: He was like, do you know the theaters have like
Speaker 2: donning options, like and like and like and like the
Speaker 2: like they had they like a waiter, they have like
Speaker 2: a table in front of them.
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: I want to I want to recline.
Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to like shove a burg
Speaker 2: in my mouth the whay I'm laying six inches backwards,
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna do that. Also, go and pay for
Speaker 2: burger there.
Speaker 3: There's no chef. There's no chef there making.
Speaker 1: It every time. And I've I've been in a situation
Speaker 1: before where I was starving and I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, fuck it, I'll just do it. I'll just
Speaker 1: get a burger. I'll get I think I actually got
Speaker 1: some wings. I think this was actually when Black Panther
Speaker 1: came out. I was in Boston and I remember that
Speaker 1: was like I think the first time we started releasing
Speaker 1: AMC doing like the full rollouts of like the full restaurants,
Speaker 1: and it was disgusting. It was probably the worst set
Speaker 1: of like boneless chicken wings. It was like I literally, actually,
Speaker 1: I'm never. I'm never that girl that's gonna send food back.
Speaker 1: That was one of the times that I did because
Speaker 1: it was so nasty.
Speaker 2: And it's prime occurring up we had, we had it
Speaker 2: was a it was a century theaters. The prime was
Speaker 2: I would get I get a medium popcorn muse because
Speaker 2: they had Starbucks outlet and that I lived. I was like,
Speaker 2: this is the height of luxury. Moga up and some
Speaker 2: popcorn and just like that, That's why I'm there. I'm
Speaker 2: not there too, like no, because I'm already paying twenty
Speaker 2: buch for a ticket. Is That's the thing the dining
Speaker 2: option movie theaters. The tikots are EXPENSI anyway, i'thing twenty
Speaker 2: bucks for tickets were a bunch of ticket that I'm
Speaker 2: paying for a meal. Girl, It's gonna be Jason for cheap.
Speaker 1: God damn day, right right?
Speaker 2: So okay, last question is what are your thoughts on
Speaker 2: what are things people do in the theater that drive
Speaker 2: you insane?
Speaker 3: Let me tell you first, because why is.
Speaker 1: It go ahead, go ahead, Why do you come the
Speaker 1: theater sack?
Speaker 2: Why you call that part man? I'm trying to move
Speaker 2: this film. Why are you colling the whole time. I
Speaker 2: can't hear ship I yap sometimes I love I love
Speaker 2: to yap, but my yapping is about this is about
Speaker 2: the move, about the movie.
Speaker 3: While I hear a conversation about you and you and
Speaker 3: your hook up earlier.
Speaker 1: I was just about to say that yeap about the film.
Speaker 3: This is a share experience, girl. We both pay to
Speaker 3: be here.
Speaker 2: If we're both saying don't go in there, girl, I
Speaker 2: love that for us. Don't don't don't go in there, girl.
Speaker 2: And you're like, girl Jacob last week, ate me out,
Speaker 2: why are you here? Go go the phone and go
Speaker 2: go home, like yeah. Also a children don't Yeah, you
Speaker 2: know I I we have said that child you can
Speaker 2: be quiet, don't bring Yeah, I'm sorry I don't.
Speaker 1: And that's also partly why I don't go watch like
Speaker 1: I know, Elo just came out and I was like,
Speaker 1: I can wait till that comes out on Disney Plus,
Speaker 1: because I genuinely just don't want to have to be
Speaker 1: like I don't want to be that person that ruins
Speaker 1: another person's movie experience because my movie experience was ruined
Speaker 1: because they have kids. So I'll just watch.
Speaker 2: Babies babies there. But but I like a baby cannot
Speaker 2: say still and I don't. I don't live.
Speaker 1: If my parent, why are you here whatever?
Speaker 2: In this age of Beyonce is streaming, we don't need
Speaker 2: to do that. You can watch that home. It's gonna
Speaker 2: be okay, Like and I'm so sorry, Like I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be anti parents or anti kids, like like
Speaker 2: have your kids and or something you want like do
Speaker 2: things in your life for sure, but like if like
Speaker 2: if you know your baby's gonna be crying as it
Speaker 2: should be since a baby.
Speaker 1: Why is this baby in the why you got a
Speaker 1: baby in the bar? But no, I agree with you wholeheartedly.
Speaker 1: And that's why, like I said, there are movies that
Speaker 1: I know are like movies that I know have like
Speaker 1: a kid tinge or like targeted for children. I just say,
Speaker 1: screw it. I'll just stay home and watch it because
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna be irritated the entire film. But
Speaker 1: I think the biggest, my biggest pet peeve these days
Speaker 1: the people who are on their phone the entire film,
Speaker 1: Like if I can see your phone light while I'm
Speaker 1: behind you, why, like why like literally this is an
Speaker 1: hour two hours you don't need, like if it's that
Speaker 1: dire you don't need to be here, Like if it's
Speaker 1: that dire that you need to take glued to your
Speaker 1: phone in that way, you need to be outside. You
Speaker 1: need to be at home watching this on your television.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be in the movie there. That's
Speaker 1: like my biggest pet peeve is people who sit on
Speaker 1: their phone the entire time.
Speaker 3: Of the foch Like, why you pay to be here?
Speaker 2: Why did you be here phone?
Speaker 1: Why did you pay seventeen eighteen twenty dollars? It makes
Speaker 1: no sense to sit on your phone, literally, girl, make
Speaker 1: it make sense.
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's my biggest girl. Okay, well none of
Speaker 2: you nobo me if she got y'all in the mood
Speaker 2: to head down to your local theater and shot you know, you.
Speaker 3: As a girl who who has who has.
Speaker 2: Her phone on or has a child with them, We
Speaker 2: got to take a quick bick and come back with y'all.
Speaker 2: Fir a segment in just a bait.
Speaker 1: All right, y'all. So this week for my yes man,
Speaker 1: mom my no man, Pam's they are semi direct, but
Speaker 1: they're also kind of all over the place. So it
Speaker 1: is what it is this week for my yes man Pam,
Speaker 1: I I genuinely just wanted to shout out anybody, anyone.
Speaker 1: So my yes, ma'am for this week is anyone who
Speaker 1: is continuing to fight the good fight and holding people
Speaker 1: in power accountable for all the bullshit that they see,
Speaker 1: whether it be folks sharing stuff saying call your you know,
Speaker 1: your senators, or people who are you know. I had
Speaker 1: a friend yesterday who had posted on social media she
Speaker 1: was she had made a whole bunch of signs, and
Speaker 1: she was just walking around her neighborhood, you know, telling
Speaker 1: basically because she had seen ice there. She had a
Speaker 1: sign and basically it was saying like, you know, keep ice,
Speaker 1: and then as you know, as people came up to her,
Speaker 1: she would hand them the signs to like walk with her.
Speaker 1: And that was like something I thought was really cool. Right.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, we're at a time right now
Speaker 1: where everyone is doing the best that they can, and
Speaker 1: I think instead of, you know, I know people can
Speaker 1: be doing more, but I also live in the mind
Speaker 1: too of like there are people who are doing the
Speaker 1: best that they can and doing what they can the
Speaker 1: way that they know how, and so I definitely wanted
Speaker 1: to just give credit to those people that are like
Speaker 1: I don't know what to do, but I know I
Speaker 1: need to do something. So I'm going to do something,
Speaker 1: whether it be start a podcast, whether it be go
Speaker 1: on a podcast and use the platform to say something bigger,
Speaker 1: you know it. Like I said, being outside and just
Speaker 1: walking around right like today, I have on a shirt
Speaker 1: that you know, has a message that I'm probably gonna
Speaker 1: be wearing tomorrow and it basically says, I want for
Speaker 1: you what you want for immigrants, like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: As much as people don't people think, oh, it's just
Speaker 1: performative or whatever, it sends a message and it lets
Speaker 1: other people know that, you know, even even in the
Speaker 1: moments of like you feel like you don't know what
Speaker 1: to do and it feels like everything is crumbling around you,
Speaker 1: just do something is sometimes enough. And so I definitely
Speaker 1: just want to give people credit for doing whatever that
Speaker 1: they can in this moment. My nomn PAM is actually
Speaker 1: a twofold when they are not related. I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with the first one and then I'm gonna say my
Speaker 1: last one, and then I'll throw it to you. I
Speaker 1: definitely am in the mind of you know what, I'll say.
Speaker 1: This one I think is the important and then I'll
Speaker 1: do the more more not important one second. So my
Speaker 1: first first one is I just want to say, fuck Trump,
Speaker 1: Fuck Ice, fuck anyone and everyone who let did he
Speaker 1: get away with his bullshit? And any other person who
Speaker 1: is supporting folks like Diddy, like Trump, like Ice, anybody
Speaker 1: like I just like hard stop anybody who's who's who?
Speaker 1: Who's with the bullshit? I'm just I'm over it. Fuck y'all.
Speaker 3: That is.
Speaker 1: That's literally all I have to say. And I could
Speaker 1: go on for hours about how I feel about everything,
Speaker 1: and I know it won't necessarily help, but I definitely
Speaker 1: am in the mind of like, if you, if you,
Speaker 1: if you are okay with this, what we're seeing and
Speaker 1: what's happening. Like I've said earlier, you are part of
Speaker 1: the problem, and I really hope and pray that nothing
Speaker 1: good comes your way. Now, the other part of what
Speaker 1: I wanted to share, which is very very forty year
Speaker 1: old me, like Grandpa, get off my lawn. These stupid
Speaker 1: kids with these motorbikes that I'm seeing, I am done
Speaker 1: with them. I hate them. I think they're stupid. I
Speaker 1: think we there should be licenses like so. And this
Speaker 1: is the the reason why I'm saying this, Like normally,
Speaker 1: I'm not the girl to come on the mic and
Speaker 1: just be like, oh, I'm gonna y'all about this really,
Speaker 1: you know, really stupid thing. But I was at Lax
Speaker 1: and as I was leaving the other day, there was
Speaker 1: a whole mess because someone was riding one of those
Speaker 1: motorbikes the wrong direction on the like the street where
Speaker 1: all the busses come, So all the buses had to
Speaker 1: stop because that person was riding the motorbike and wouldn't
Speaker 1: get off the bike. And even when the police were
Speaker 1: like trying to chase them and get them off the bike,
Speaker 1: they thought it was funny to be like zooming in
Speaker 1: between buses and things. And the other day, as I
Speaker 1: was turning into my garage, a kid zoomed past me,
Speaker 1: and I'm like I could have hit this kid, Like
Speaker 1: I just I hate them. I think they are so stupid,
Speaker 1: and I really do believe that there should be like you,
Speaker 1: you should have to have a license for them because
Speaker 1: people are so what's the word I'm looking for? Y'all
Speaker 1: are dealing with me coming off of COVID, so a
Speaker 1: lot of my words are escaping me. But like it's
Speaker 1: just it's reckless. I think it's the right word. It's
Speaker 1: very reckless how people treat their lives on those bikes,
Speaker 1: and so I just I'm I'm over them. I really
Speaker 1: just wanted to say, like, it doesn't make any sense,
Speaker 1: and if you are going to use them, please have
Speaker 1: some damn sense when you do use them, Like come
Speaker 1: on now, like you literally are putting your life in
Speaker 1: in someone else's hands because you're you're zooming past them
Speaker 1: on a street full of cars and buses?
Speaker 2: Are you? Like?
Speaker 1: Are you? Are you? Are you stupid? Are you dumb? Literally?
Speaker 1: Like that's literally how I feel every time I see
Speaker 1: someone on them. So yeah, that's where I'm at. What
Speaker 1: about you? What are your yes ma'am's?
Speaker 2: And I'm a yes ma'am. I aw, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to to find it. I'm like, I don't know what's
Speaker 2: a yes man anymore. But no, I'll just say memes.
Speaker 2: Some are funny, yes, yes, like some are great. Some
Speaker 2: I'm like, noah, I enjoy this, This is hilarious. People
Speaker 2: are funny, and then they're creative and they should be
Speaker 2: they should be celebrated more boo boo mm hmmm. I
Speaker 2: will never write for la boo boom. I don't understand there.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what. Thank you everybody. This has been
Speaker 1: a fantastic run. This has been a fantastic brind This
Speaker 1: will be the last episode. Sorry.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you'll see us. You'll see us both on our
Speaker 3: new shows.
Speaker 2: Uh that.
Speaker 3: Separately we trash talk each other.
Speaker 4: What is it Seleno and Barnes, not as me and
Speaker 4: Seleno and Barelen.
Speaker 1: I still believe I'm probably gonna get trouble for saying this.
Speaker 1: I believe that who was the one that died? Was
Speaker 1: it Seleno who died?
Speaker 3: Who are?
Speaker 1: Okay? So Selena and bar So, I'm gonna put you
Speaker 1: up on on on games. Seleno and Barnes, they were
Speaker 1: a like law firm, and I think they were friends.
Speaker 1: And then when they split, like I guess, they suit
Speaker 1: each other and split and it became the Barnes firm.
Speaker 1: And then I think it was it was Selena who
Speaker 1: died like a couple of weeks later in a plane crash.
Speaker 1: I believe that Barnes had Seleno killed.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is John Recker saying that if we break up,
Speaker 2: he's gonna have taken it out.
Speaker 4: No, I'm taken out that happened, and I truly believe
Speaker 4: in my heart of hearts that Barnes had Seleno killed allegedly.
Speaker 4: I have to say allegedly because I don't want nobody
Speaker 4: coming after be allegedly.
Speaker 2: You here, y'all, they gonna get me, John, don't get me.
Speaker 2: Get Me's gonna allegedly get me.
Speaker 1: No, No, I am not okay, So I done it.
Speaker 3: I don't see if boo boo. I just don't. I
Speaker 3: don't understand what people are besize.
Speaker 2: But no, I yucked.
Speaker 1: No many, Oh my god, I have more here, and
Speaker 1: then I have one there, and then I have another
Speaker 1: one and then have more upstairs too.
Speaker 2: I live. Yeah, but no, man, Pam, so okay, so
Speaker 2: have a small This is for people who really must
Speaker 2: understand the purpose of pride and the movement of pride.
Speaker 2: And this was born out of a conversation I've had
Speaker 2: in San Diego where people feel like pride is supposed
Speaker 2: to be a space, a beauty and love, an inclusion,
Speaker 2: and also came to this space where also came into
Speaker 2: this space. I may comment to this couple about how
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't think straight folks want the
Speaker 2: pride and like it was half choking and they're like
Speaker 2: one person a couple was like, I can't bet you
Speaker 2: would say that it was you know, I was like,
Speaker 2: I was like, I was like why and she was
Speaker 2: like and it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 3: It was a lively couple.
Speaker 2: And so one of the wise was like I think
Speaker 2: the one wise was like our community, so our community
Speaker 2: is so exclusionary, Like I can't believe you would like
Speaker 2: want to be exclusionary as well too, like should should
Speaker 2: be about inclusion and like you know that you live
Speaker 2: like like like we need straight allies And I was like, sure,
Speaker 2: we need straight allies for sure, but like either they
Speaker 2: belong that pride or belonging or belong in my game?
Speaker 1: Up right?
Speaker 3: Are they fine to come?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Do they belong?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: I just I'm so sorry, I tell you, and like
Speaker 2: I will have been going to air saying this, like
Speaker 2: I do not believe that straight folks like but like
Speaker 2: like but like belong there, like it's not probably it's
Speaker 2: not about un love and inclusion those women their pride, sure,
Speaker 2: but like that I guess like prior the inclusion, that's
Speaker 2: the battles inclusion of queer and transphobes, right, and we're
Speaker 2: not included in actual life beyond that, like, like the
Speaker 2: entire sur pride was not to be a space of
Speaker 2: union love.
Speaker 3: The entire surpride was to literally fight.
Speaker 2: I guess the system that want is to not be
Speaker 2: publicly and like, I'm so sorry you think otherwise, but
Speaker 2: like that's the like like facts are facts in history
Speaker 2: is real, and you need like you need you need
Speaker 2: to like understand that baby girl, Like when Marcia threw
Speaker 2: a bass she did Marcia and Marcia allegedly you know
Speaker 2: the whether it's real or proverbial. The birth that was
Speaker 2: was not a brick for unity and love. The brick
Speaker 2: was saying I'm tired of this bullshit. The biggest Gaga
Speaker 2: pride that people don't understand sometimes I think it's lost
Speaker 2: on them. The biggest Gaga pride is that many cities
Speaker 2: that have that have pride parades how to parade while
Speaker 2: under the survivance of police, which was the exact system
Speaker 2: that borne the revolution of pride in the first place.
Speaker 2: So tragically, babes, no pride is not about edity and
Speaker 2: love an inclusion. It's about survival and resistance and me
Speaker 2: in love are like you're right, like you're wrong and
Speaker 2: and the people want to be my DMS or email
Speaker 2: us about how straight should be in pride. I please,
Speaker 2: I welcome the conversation.
Speaker 3: I really, I really do.
Speaker 2: But like there's like I don't have many I don't
Speaker 2: have many straight friends, and I don't I don't believe
Speaker 2: that my life is worse for it. I just don't believe.
Speaker 2: So like, like, what does the system of straightings have
Speaker 2: to offer me?
Speaker 3: Nothing?
Speaker 2: Right? Nothing like like I do. I have straight friends
Speaker 2: and I love them, yes, right right, but like like
Speaker 2: like like and I'm not saying that I don't like that.
Speaker 2: I'm saying, you're straight, don't don't talk to this not
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, although I could, because to be honest,
Speaker 2: how many straights are like you're you're your queer, don't
Speaker 2: talk to me? Right like but right like I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't need the trope of I have
Speaker 2: a straight best friend and they and they and they
Speaker 2: and they have a gay best friend. That's not the
Speaker 2: bridge building I'm trying to do, girl, But that's not
Speaker 2: my bridge ministry. My my my bridgemaining is about like
Speaker 2: like it's about Richar dynamics is often seen as is
Speaker 2: others ultracized or killed.
Speaker 3: How chances is murdered?
Speaker 2: Like when when when straight folks.
Speaker 3: Like like ride for us.
Speaker 2: I am happy to say, come to girl, I'm having
Speaker 2: to say, I live.
Speaker 3: I live in a queer area.
Speaker 1: Tell me.
Speaker 2: In this city that is roughly let's say like thirty
Speaker 2: forty miles long.
Speaker 3: I have one mile of.
Speaker 2: Quickness and you have thirty nine miles of straightness.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why do you have to be here?
Speaker 2: Like why? Like why do you have to be here?
Speaker 1: That's the question. Like you, I don't like, you don't
Speaker 1: what are you doing here? What do you have?
Speaker 2: You have? You have safety everywhere else?
Speaker 1: Yep, I have.
Speaker 2: We had to fight for this area to be here,
Speaker 2: in this art brother town. We had to fight to
Speaker 2: have our own like gay bars and queer spaces, queer
Speaker 2: un restaurants, like like like I am, I really am,
Speaker 2: and like I don't really like I'm not Like I'm
Speaker 2: not saying that we can't be an inturgrace as its
Speaker 2: not in at all, right, and like my ideal world
Speaker 2: and my deal world is.
Speaker 1: Some people would say segregation is good.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying some people. Some people would some people
Speaker 2: would write like like like like like my ideal world
Speaker 2: is a world in which like, yes, like que it's
Speaker 2: the same time, and literally like no one's bothering whatsoever. Right,
Speaker 2: that doesn't happen, No, that doesn't. It still isn't happening
Speaker 2: in many places. So like, until that is, give me
Speaker 2: my pride and give me my give me my my
Speaker 2: queer areas.
Speaker 1: I think so again, And I know we can stay
Speaker 1: on this topic for hours, but I think there's just
Speaker 1: it's it's frustrating to me that I think that there
Speaker 1: are people who can't understand and can't comprehend when I
Speaker 1: say I want my own space, I need my own space,
Speaker 1: what that really means. It's not that I'm excluding you.
Speaker 1: It's this notion of I don't get to feel safe.
Speaker 1: Like twenty three hours of my life, I'm constantly worried
Speaker 1: about my safety. I'm worried about my my well being.
Speaker 1: I'm my mental capacity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So in this hour that I'm with queer people, or
Speaker 1: this hour that I'm with black people, or this hour
Speaker 1: one with queer black people, where I'm telling you, as
Speaker 1: a straight cishead person to stay away, a white person
Speaker 1: to stay away, for for you to say, oh, that's
Speaker 1: that's problematic that you know I should be able to
Speaker 1: have access like you are. You are literally doing exactly
Speaker 1: what white supremacy is.
Speaker 2: I should have access, I should be Why should you
Speaker 2: have why why should you maybe have accesses you should have? Ye?
Speaker 3: I'm sorry?
Speaker 2: What?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I people like who look like us, who have the
Speaker 2: of us have never had access.
Speaker 1: Nope, and and still don't. It's still just.
Speaker 2: Should simply because what right or like or like like
Speaker 2: because you because you say you love gay people, you should.
Speaker 1: Baby, the war is not but your love is not
Speaker 1: going to keep us safe. And that's the thing I
Speaker 1: think people have a hard time understanding.
Speaker 2: Like and if you don't know you don't fight for us,
Speaker 2: you actually don't love us, like like I like if
Speaker 2: you think if you think that like saying hi to
Speaker 2: us and giving us a hug, like it like shows
Speaker 2: that you're dancing with us, Like yeah, like you cannot.
Speaker 3: I think I think that this is this is where
Speaker 3: it is for me. You cannot participate in our joy.
Speaker 2: And think that that's enough. Yeah, Like you cannot say
Speaker 2: I'm your allies simply because you come to our to
Speaker 2: our parades, or you or you occupy space in our bars,
Speaker 2: right or like like or that you patriot our restaurants
Speaker 2: like are those good things? Yes, and you should, but
Speaker 2: don't feel like don't feel like you're a good person
Speaker 2: because of its basic human decency in that part. If
Speaker 2: you aren't at our protest, if you are on our marchist,
Speaker 2: if you aren't talking about the lack of access we
Speaker 2: have Jennifer and care, if you aren't talking about like
Speaker 2: like that like, we may lose a right to we may.
Speaker 3: Lose the right to Mary. If you weren't talking about that,
Speaker 3: you do not love us?
Speaker 1: Well, no I would even I would even go further.
Speaker 1: You know, I look around. So this idea of like
Speaker 1: people in positions, you know, it shouldn't always come back
Speaker 1: down to capitalism. But the reality is that a lot
Speaker 1: of queer people are suffering right now and are worried
Speaker 1: about what their livelihood is going to look like in
Speaker 1: the next couple of months. And if you are an
Speaker 1: HR person and you're saying, oh, I'm inclusive or I'm
Speaker 1: a and you only have two queer people on your team,
Speaker 1: you are the antithesis of someone who is causing a
Speaker 1: problem in our in our society.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You can't it can't just stop at the idea of Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm going to go to Pride and it's going to
Speaker 1: be you know, I love queer people. I want to
Speaker 1: celebrate them. Nah, bitch, get to work. Like you need
Speaker 1: to be looking at systems. You need to be looking
Speaker 1: at things around you. You need to be looking at
Speaker 1: all the stuff that you interact with, anything and everything
Speaker 1: you interact with. You need to be looking at it
Speaker 1: as a cis straight person in this moment, in this moment,
Speaker 1: you need to be looking at it and saying, how
Speaker 1: can I use whatever access and privilege that I have
Speaker 1: to fuck up this system that's continuing to keep working,
Speaker 1: because that's really where it is. And we are and
Speaker 1: we are literally as as queer people, as black people,
Speaker 1: as queer black people, we are literally fighting tooth and
Speaker 1: nail to keep what little bit of liberty and what
Speaker 1: little in liberation that we have. We are all fighting.
Speaker 1: And so now you're coming into Pride and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I deserve to be here, and it's like, na, bitch,
Speaker 1: like that, ain't how this is gonna work. And and
Speaker 1: and I'll say this and then we can wrap. You know,
Speaker 1: if you for folks who are listening, if you are
Speaker 1: in spaces with queer people, if you are in spaces
Speaker 1: with black people, if you are in spaces with anyone
Speaker 1: who is marginalized, and their tone or their energy seems
Speaker 1: pointed at this moment, let it. This moment is not
Speaker 1: about you. It is not about and what I say
Speaker 1: about it, Yes it is. But what I mean is
Speaker 1: for you to be like, oh my feelings and someone
Speaker 1: sends something to me and it hurt my feelings right now,
Speaker 1: I hate saying as well, fuck you. Like literally, we
Speaker 1: are at a place right now where it's like we
Speaker 1: don't we don't get to rest, we don't get to
Speaker 1: feel good, quote unquote when all of this stuff is
Speaker 1: coming down. And like I've been saying, at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, this is all going to impact us,
Speaker 1: regardless of how anyone looks at it, right, Medicaid stuff, this,
Speaker 1: all of this shit is gonna impact us one way
Speaker 1: or another. And so if you're in a space with
Speaker 1: a queer person and they say something and it and
Speaker 1: it doesn't rub you the right way, eat it, sit
Speaker 1: on it. Because the reality is is like, this is
Speaker 1: not the time for you to position yourself to feel
Speaker 1: like we have to in your straightness, in your in
Speaker 1: your pride and privilege that we have to center you.
Speaker 1: So that's just where I'm at with that. I think
Speaker 1: you're very valid and what you're what you what you're saying,
Speaker 1: my friend, thank you. So yeah, anyway, all right, this
Speaker 1: has been a great I will say this is probably
Speaker 1: one of my favorite episodes. This has been a great episode.
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Speaker 2: We may not be your first tante Surpride, but girl,
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Speaker 1: I know that's right, throw a brick. That's literally you
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