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Speaker 2: Hey you daring?

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Speaker 1: This is sheldy cute.

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Speaker 3: Lookause Michael have ben been talking way too much lady

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Speaker 3: about spam which is a harrmale product, which means short.

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Speaker 1: How you said this work?

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Speaker 3: Parks, shoulders and hams.

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Speaker 1: What does it do?

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Speaker 4: You eat?

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Speaker 1: Spam? Turkey spam?

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Speaker 1: Watch to eat the turkey spam. That's pretty good.

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Speaker 3: They even make one of this low salt for the

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Speaker 3: Is that just something I read on the internect as?

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Speaker 4: A Texas combat veteran This is clip number eighteen from

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Speaker 4: with PTSD says his legally prescribed medical THCHC has cost

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Speaker 4: push people off of a product that's giving them relief

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Speaker 4: and the only thing that's given us help is thhc Oh. Well,

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Speaker 4: because we don't want you having that dreadful thing on

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Speaker 4: You were able to carry heavy artillery and make life

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Speaker 4: we don't really think you're capable of making decisions for

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Speaker 4: how to treat your own personal problems. Now, if you

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Speaker 4: Have these, these treats that give you relief so that

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Speaker 6: It's been illegal for doctors to prescribe Lodos TFC products

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Speaker 5: And then in twenty twenty one, I found a doctor

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Speaker 5: Over the course of the last three or four years,

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Speaker 4: And you've got to put your own experience out of

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Speaker 4: So Joe Exotic as he's known, was scheduled to be

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Speaker 4: Chat Makanishi, Joe Exotic The Tiger King coming up, Michael

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Speaker 1: The Tiger King.

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Speaker 4: Joe Exotic is our guest. We had to work hard

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Speaker 1: Welcome Joe.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I appreciate you having me, sir.

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Speaker 4: Four years ago, you were the top Netflix video. The

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, first of all, a lot of people don't

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Speaker 2: understand I've been in prison since September seventh of twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I didn't film for Tiger King. Okay, back in the

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Speaker 2: And then she left and left me in prison.

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Speaker 4: So you tell you that, No, not.

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Speaker 2: Two point six million bucks he run off with. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: left me in here to beg for commissary. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: How did Netflix know about your story? How did they

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I had a YouTube channel with fourteen

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Speaker 2: the Big Cat faifty act. And the producer Eric Good

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Speaker 2: works for Pete the People for the Ethical treatment animals. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so they're all kind of tied in together to push

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Speaker 2: this bill. Well, for eleven years I fought that bill.

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Speaker 2: Biden signed it into laws. So who is allowed to

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Speaker 2: Global Federation Animal Sanctuaries, which is Carrol's organization. So they

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Speaker 2: have all they have all of my cats now, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's tough. It really is tough. But as far as

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Speaker 4: You know, your case you're trying to get I don't

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Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I have not seen Tiger King two, and

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Speaker 2: That their original plan was to kill me and put

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Speaker 2: So then when Jeff took over the zoo and the

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Speaker 4: Carol Baskin seems to have been your nemesis and caused

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Speaker 1: What do people not know about her?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, our argument wasn't as big as TV

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Speaker 2: six million plus dollars. You know why has she not

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Speaker 2: I think? She just has more money in people's pockets

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: The woman. All you have to do is get online Google.

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Speaker 7: You know this calls from a federal prison.

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Speaker 2: It donates lots of money to politicians to get them elected.

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Speaker 2: But you know Colonel Gotlakill wanted? Is she since then?

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Speaker 2: You know, gave all of her tigers to the sanctuary

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Speaker 2: You know, she's rich. She's out there, she's doing what

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Speaker 4: You know, there are just certain things that capture our attention,

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Speaker 4: Four years ago when Tiger King Joe Exotic was on Netflix,

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Speaker 4: now we learn from Joe Exotic to Tiger King that

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00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 4: he wasn't even involved in that thing. He was in

442
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Speaker 4: prison three years before that thing ever hit the air.

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Speaker 4: Almost three million dollars were made by the selling of

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Speaker 4: the footage, and the Heat didn't get a penny of it.

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Speaker 4: He says, I mean, it really is quite a development

446
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Speaker 4: because I think most people probably figure he's out and

447
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 4: about living large, living off the money, maybe promoting something else,

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00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 4: but in fact, uh, quite a distance from that. He's

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00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 4: in prison, battling cancer and will be for five more years.

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Speaker 4: If the President doesn't grant him clemency, and if he does,

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Speaker 4: Joe Exotic, if he grants you, if a pardon tomorrow,

452
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Speaker 4: what would life look like for Joe Exotic.

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Speaker 2: Okay, first of all, I have nothing left. They took

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Speaker 2: my and you know, they destroyed my home, They took

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Speaker 2: my zoo. They sold on the clothes to museums and people,

456
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: and I have no clothes even But I have friends

457
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: out that they're going to help me get my clothes.

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Speaker 2: What am I going to do? I'm going to Mexico, man,

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Speaker 2: My husband is in Mexico. I'm going to go to Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to use my platform to get back to

461
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,360
Speaker 2: doing my charity work, helping seek grants wishes for sick

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Speaker 2: little kids and the homeless. And I'm going to work

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Speaker 2: my butt off until I can afford one of Trump's

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00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,919
Speaker 2: gold cards, and then me and my husband will come

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Speaker 2: back to America.

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Speaker 4: What do you find joy in because you've got to

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Speaker 4: find some way to get through the day in prison.

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Speaker 4: What's something that you actually enjoy or have made the

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Speaker 4: most of.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I spend most of my day out

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Speaker 2: of wreck, you know, outside walking and working out, keeping

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Speaker 2: my head straight. But you know, my fans and my supporters,

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Speaker 2: I've probably received over one hundred thousand letters since I've

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Speaker 2: been in here, and I get still ten letters a day.

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Speaker 2: The people around the world that saw through the show

476
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Speaker 2: and since then have seen them admit to perjury and stuff.

477
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: The fans is what's kept me going because everyone says

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Speaker 2: that I'll get out of here. You know, worst case

479
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: scenario right now, Michael is my outdate is October of

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Speaker 2: twenty thirty. So if I can beat this camp and

481
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Speaker 2: keep the cancer at bay for five more years, I'm

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Speaker 2: out of here anyway. But the right thing to do.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I have a Congresswoman Bobert, I have Congressman

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Speaker 2: Eric Burlison, I've got Joe Rogan, I've got Matt Gates,

485
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 2: I have Dana White, I have the Hogan family. I've

486
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: got everybody out there screaming to let me out. And

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Speaker 2: I've got a clemency on file in Ed Martin's office.

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Speaker 2: And you know, they don't even have to give me

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Speaker 2: a pardon. I tell everybody I looked up to President Trump.

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Speaker 2: He knows how the system is. He's felling. He's convicted

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Speaker 2: thirty four felonies. You know they indicted him ninety four times.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to have a presidential pardon. I just

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Speaker 2: commute my sentence to time servant. Let me go on

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Speaker 2: my life.

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Speaker 4: So I'm assuming you watched Netflix's film about you that

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Speaker 4: you didn't participate in from in prison.

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Speaker 1: Did you? What was the setting?

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Speaker 4: Were you in a room with a bunch.

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Speaker 1: Of other people?

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Speaker 2: What was that like?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 2: I was, I was in a lawyer visit. It was

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Speaker 2: just me and my lawyers in a room.

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Speaker 1: And y'all watched it together.

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Speaker 4: Yes, sir, were you scream.

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Speaker 1: At the and I was?

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Speaker 2: I was? I was? I was so disgusted because Tiger

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Speaker 2: Team didn't do anything for tigers. Okay, Uh, they made

510
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: me out to be a method, which I wasn't. I

511
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Speaker 2: was the only one in the show with a full

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Speaker 2: set of teeth, wearing clothes. I mean, look this sup

513
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Speaker 2: scream Okay, who interviews a hit man in a bathtub?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 2: And then they had John Finley running around with a

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Speaker 2: shirt off the whole time. But the thing that disappointed

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Speaker 2: me the most is sad the girl that lost her arm. Yeah,

519
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,040
Speaker 2: you know, she went up against the government and whip

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Speaker 2: me to keep from having to kill that tiger because

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00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: they wanted to kill that tiger. And she took full

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Speaker 2: blame and kept that tiger alive. And if you wanted

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Speaker 2: to make a show about tigers or conservation of tigers,

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00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: tigers in in captivity. They should have set her in

525
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Speaker 2: front of that tiger cage and let her tell her

526
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Speaker 2: story and not blame the tigers, you know. But instead

527
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Speaker 2: they put her in a junk yard to make it

528
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Speaker 2: look like my zoo look like a junk yard.

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Speaker 4: When you saw some of the folks who now that

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Speaker 4: you were in prison, were talking about you that maybe

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Speaker 4: never would have before. Who did you feel the most

532
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Speaker 4: betrayed by.

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Speaker 2: I was probably the most disappointed in John Finley because

534
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: because he was there for eleven years and he took

535
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: a payoff to talk crap and make a movie Beca's

536
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 2: nothing he said was the truth. He accused me in

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Speaker 2: the movie and burning my own TV studio. Okay, first

538
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Speaker 2: of all, I was in Chicago with a funeral grant

539
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: and the last wish, so Kim and Rinki, the guy

540
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Speaker 2: with no legs was the only ones at the zoo,

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Speaker 2: so if I had anybody burn it, it would have

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Speaker 2: been him. So nothing made sense. But Michael, this thing pete,

543
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: which means he's gonna hang up any second. I want

544
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Speaker 2: to thank you for giving me a platform, give me

545
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: a voice. I hope you had me back sometime. Kill

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00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: everybody to get on joexoticofficial dot com and look at

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00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 2: the evidence and fall there.

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Speaker 4: Joe exoticofficial dot com.

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Speaker 1: I have checked it out. A real, real pleasure to

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Speaker 1: have you on and we will have you back. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: buddy

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Speaker 6: Zero