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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace in the last hours. It's

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories and on Serious XM one eleven. I Meancy Grace,

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Speaker 1: the murder conviction of a Davison man who murders his

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Speaker 1: wife with poisoned cereal has been up held. You're going

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Speaker 1: to jail and you're staying there. Let me correct myself.

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Speaker 1: You're going to the penitentiary and you're staying there. According

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Speaker 1: to prosecutors, Jason Harris gives his wife, thirty six year

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Speaker 1: old Christina An, a lethal dose of heroine. Now, course,

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Speaker 1: it was first believed that she oded herself, and her

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Speaker 1: friends and sister say she never used drugs a day

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Speaker 1: in her life. So how exactly did Christina die, leaving

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Speaker 1: behind a child still breastfeeding. I'm Nacy Grace, this is

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Speaker 2: Just after ten am on September twenty ninth, Jason Harris

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Speaker 2: called asking his neighbor to check on his wife. It

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Speaker 2: Harris asked his neighbor to see if his wife's vehicle

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Speaker 2: was still in the driveway. He was afraid his wife, Christina,

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Speaker 2: had overslept. The neighbor went to a side door but

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Speaker 2: The neighbor touched Christina, but there was no response. Thinking

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Speaker 2: to let him know. Concerned, the neighbor went back and

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Speaker 2: Christina was cold to the touch, stiff, and had phone

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Speaker 2: to help. Christina Harris was dead.

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Speaker 1: This young mom with a little baby, still breastfeeding, dead

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Speaker 1: in her own bed, frothing at the mouth. What happened

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Speaker 1: with me? An all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 1: what we know now? First of all, Matthew Mangino, former

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Speaker 1: elected district attorney, now private lawyer and author of The

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Speaker 1: Executioners told. Doctor Sherry Schwartz, forensics psychologists joining us specializing

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Speaker 1: in crimes of this nature her book Criminal Behavior and

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Speaker 1: Where Law and Psychology intersect. Justin Borman, former Special Victims

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Speaker 1: Unit Detective West Valley and author of I Was Wrong

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Speaker 1: and Investigators Battle Cry for Change within the SVU. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Michelle Dupree, medical examiner, forensic pathologist, detective and author of

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Speaker 1: Homicide Investigation Field Guide. But first to Karen Drew, special

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Speaker 1: guests joining US TV news anchor investigative reporter with WDVTV NBC.

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Speaker 3: Karen, thank you so much for being with us. Karen.

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Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to our cut one,

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Speaker 1: who is Christina Harris.

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Speaker 2: Thompson and Jason Harris were married for eleven years, but

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Speaker 2: they had been a couple for five years before that.

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Speaker 2: Six years into the marriage, they welcomed a daughter. Five

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine to you, Karen Drew. I remember

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Speaker 3: Heroin?

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Speaker 4: That is what investigators found Nancy, that there was heroin

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Speaker 1: Family and friends, they always think they know you so well,

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, this is typically pulmonary edema, which means that

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Speaker 1: Right wait, wait, wait, wait right there, right there saliva.

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Speaker 1: Of course you're the MD. I'm just a JD.

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Speaker 1: Because you take drugs, and you have a drug OD,

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Speaker 6: It's in your mouth. Saliva is in your mouth, and

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Speaker 6: It's depressed and it isn't working as properly as it would.

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Speaker 1: Okay, See doctor Dupree, You're the reason that the medical

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Jason Harris loses his desperate

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Speaker 4: From what we understand, Nancy, you know, obviously the home

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Speaker 3: And really, you know, go ahead, jump in.

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Speaker 2: Christina Harris's cause of death was initially ruled an accident

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing that the family became upset. They insisted

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Speaker 4: The mother was very upset, and she had two sisters,

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Speaker 1: And I guess the police were saying, yeah, we hear you,

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Speaker 7: Listen to our cut Jay Davis and police didn't consider

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Speaker 5: And I'm not a detective, but I mean I looked

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Speaker 3: Their first concern how the crime scene was handled.

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Speaker 7: The day their sister's body was found inside her Davison home. Remember,

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Speaker 1: In the last hours, Jason Harris, lying, scheming, conniving husband

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Speaker 1: talk about breast milk, all right? To doctor Michelle Dupree,

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Speaker 1: former forensic pathologists, medical examiner, and author of homicide Investigation

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Speaker 6: Well, Nancy, it can actually prove that there was in

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Speaker 1: So basically, whatever you drink or eat will be passed

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Speaker 1: I mean I've heard cases where mom would have Mexican

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Speaker 1: Blessing you whoever that was justin Borman. Let me go

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Speaker 1: to you, former Special Victims Unit detective and author. Why

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Speaker 3: Get her breast milk, it's in the freezer.

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Speaker 1: Hear somebody growing grown all you want to don't care.

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Speaker 1: I think that the cops went of, the sisters are

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Speaker 3: When he the mom is calling from Paris?

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Speaker 3: Ah, she's a heroine. Why do they keep calling me?

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Speaker 3: You know that's what happened, Karen Drew.

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Speaker 4: So it's no surprise they said that. And you're right

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Speaker 4: Could we check it? And but they like these these filters,

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Speaker 3: To check it. But no, they wouldn't check it.

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Speaker 2: Sheila Coop told police that on one occasion, she saw

441
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Speaker 2: Christy Harris run out of her home, visibly upset, sobbing.

442
00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 2: Harris told her that Jason Harris was cheating and her

443
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,439
Speaker 2: newborn was just two weeks old. Other family and friends

444
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 2: also thought Jason Harris was seeing other femin Nearly five

445
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 2: nine hundred texts were found to a woman from Providence,

446
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Speaker 2: Rhode Island. There were also emails and pictures sent to

447
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 2: several other women. Nine days after Christina died, Jason Harris

448
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: bought a plane ticket to go visit the woman in Providence.

449
00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 2: Not long after that, a woman and her daughter moved

450
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Speaker 2: in with Jason Harris in the home where Christina had died.

451
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Speaker 1: What more will it take to put a fire under

452
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Speaker 1: the rear ends of the police. A woman moves into

453
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Speaker 1: the home right after Christina dies, that brings her daughter too.

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Speaker 3: They didn't know that, Karen Drew.

455
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Speaker 4: Oh, folks knew that, Nancy. I mean again, this is

456
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 4: a small town. People know what's going on. And she

457
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 4: moved in and the kids are in the house, and

458
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: it just seems strange, no matter what, like what's going on.

459
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Speaker 7: So, yes, lots of people were I talked to two

460
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Speaker 7: of the neighbors and they were very upset.

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Speaker 4: It seemed very strange. The sisters were mad. They didn't

462
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Speaker 4: know what was going on. But you know, it's not

463
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Speaker 4: illegal to move someone into your house, so you know,

464
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Speaker 4: there was no action from police.

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Speaker 1: It took two years, two years after the heroine overdose,

466
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Speaker 1: before anybody finally got around to testing that breastmel Now

467
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Speaker 1: you know another woman has moved into the home with

468
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Speaker 1: her children, So I doubt very seriously that the new

469
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: girlfriend would keep the ex wife's breast milk in the freezer.

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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, take a listen to our cut f Wdiv.

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Speaker 7: Two years after the medical examiner ruled her death an

472
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Speaker 7: accidental overdose, a key piece of evidence was found at

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Speaker 7: her parents' house.

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Speaker 10: Police were able to secure three plastic packages of Christina

475
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Speaker 10: Harris's frozen breast milk that were placed in a cooler.

476
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Speaker 10: All three of those were submitted to the Michigan State

477
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Speaker 10: Police crime lab. In each instance, no controlled substance was detected.

478
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Speaker 1: So then how did heroin get into her system? Take

479
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Speaker 1: a listen to more from Michigan State Police.

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Speaker 10: You believe Jason Harris murdered his wife. We believe he

481
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 10: put heroin into her cereal and milk the night that

482
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Speaker 10: she died.

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Speaker 1: Now take a listen to our cut c Stephanie Park

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Speaker 1: NBC twenty five.

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Speaker 8: One of his co workers actually claims that Jason Harris

486
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 8: first tried to hire him to kill his wife, but

487
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 8: that coworker said no. In court today, this man said

488
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 8: he thought that this was all just set out of frustration.

489
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 8: That was until he found out Christina, who had just

490
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 8: had a baby, was found dead at the home she

491
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Speaker 8: shared with Jason Harris.

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Speaker 11: He had asked me if I would do it, and

493
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Speaker 11: he told me he would be able to pay me

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Speaker 11: out of a life insurance policy she had.

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Speaker 8: That shocking question came from Zachariah Shustock's boss. Jason Harris

496
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 8: was his supervisor at work at the time. Shoestock thought

497
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Speaker 8: it was just Jason venting, but the odd questions continued.

498
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Speaker 7: I knew of anything that would put her.

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Speaker 3: To sleep, Shoestock says. Jason kept asking.

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Speaker 11: For pills, me if I knew of any that were tasteless,

501
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 11: or that she would not know of being put inside

502
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Speaker 11: something she was going to eat or drink.

503
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Speaker 8: She was talking to Jason was struggling in his marriage

504
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 8: because he would complain a lot to him.

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Speaker 11: He was just saying that Christina wasn't wanting to go

506
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Speaker 11: back to work, that he believed the child they had

507
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 11: wasn't his, and that she was just laying around the

508
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Speaker 11: house not doing anything, and he was just getting tired

509
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Speaker 11: of it.

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00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 1: That's right, Jason Harris, it's over. You poisoned your wife,

511
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Speaker 1: the mother of your children, with an o D of

512
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: drugs in her cereal. She died. You dance to the music,

513
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 1: and now it's time to pay the piper, Jason Harris.

514
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: Can't you imagine this guy thinks he's smarter than everybody

515
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: in the room, poisons his wife, the mother of his children,

516
00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: in her cereal, then schemes asking the neighbor to discover

517
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Speaker 1: her dead body. Can't you imagine him behind bars since

518
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: his original conviction, swishing his tail and gnashing his teeth,

519
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: trying to think of any way out. There is no

520
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: way out except for you to do your time. What

521
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: did we know about what unfolded?

522
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 3: Six thousand text messages to other women?

523
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: Wants to have his wife killed because she's laying around

524
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Speaker 1: the house and won't go back to work. Is this

525
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Speaker 1: her second child? She's still breastfeeding? Who is this guy?

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Speaker 12: You know?

527
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Speaker 4: Nobody can figure him out? He really is? I mean,

528
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 4: she is this loving, doting mother. She's breastfeeding. He's I'm

529
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Speaker 4: a law back cast.

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00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 3: That's a technical legal term.

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Speaker 1: A complete horses rear end and another thing.

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Speaker 3: Let's get off him for a moment. Let me hop

533
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Speaker 3: back on the police.

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Speaker 1: Two years past, time passes, So Matthew Mangino joining me,

535
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 1: former elected DA Lawrence County, now private attorney and author

536
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Speaker 1: of the Executioner's Tool. Matthew, it took a civil lawsuit,

537
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 1: statal limitations running ending before the place got off their

538
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:08,320
Speaker 1: ear ends.

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00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 3: What happened, Matthew explain it now.

540
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Speaker 12: Really, it's a clever way to gather evidence in escape.

541
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Speaker 12: The suit was filed, and I'm sure through discovery they

542
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 12: were able to obtain information about people that he was

543
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 12: communicating with, other women, you know, emails, all this sort

544
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 12: of thing that would help them begin to build a case,

545
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 12: you know, circumstantially, you know, here's a mode of here's

546
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Speaker 12: a reason why he would want to kill his wife.

547
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 12: And then you know, some of these other pieces began

548
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:51,239
Speaker 12: to come together as the state police got involved in

549
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 12: this investigation, and they they very you know, fundamentally built

550
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Speaker 12: a case based on information that they were able to

551
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Speaker 12: obtain from the defendant in a civil laws It's a

552
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 12: clever maneuver.

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Speaker 3: And I heard you.

554
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Say a reason to kill her, So I guess you're

555
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: saying that the wife laying around and that's with air

556
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: quotes after giving birth was a reason for a murder. Okay,

557
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Speaker 1: before I tear you to shreds on that, Matthew Mangino,

558
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: here's a good comparison. Who can forget the oj Simpson

559
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Speaker 1: murder trial. Remember how much more we found out in

560
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Speaker 1: the civil case. How that was his Bruno Molly footprint

561
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Speaker 1: at the crime scene in blood, How he failed his

562
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Speaker 1: polygraph with another I think a negative forty something. Just

563
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: so much more came out in the civil case than

564
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Speaker 1: we learned in the criminal case. That's exactly what happened here,

565
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 1: but in.

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Speaker 12: The reverse order, Nancy, because.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. Simpson trial criminally first.

568
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 12: Right, they come after a criminal case because there's a conviction.

569
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Speaker 12: It's much easier to prove what you have to The

570
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 12: burden of proof is much less in the civil case.

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Speaker 12: But here we have it used and that's why I

572
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Speaker 12: say it's clever. They used it in a different way.

573
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 12: They used it to accumulate evidence. Yeah, prosecute a criminal kit.

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Speaker 1: They did take a Listen to our cut g our

575
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Speaker 1: friend Karen jwd iv on that civil lawsuit.

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Speaker 7: Christie's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit, so Jason was

577
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Speaker 7: deposed under oath. Let's start with another woman he admitted

578
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 7: being in contact with during his marriage to Christy.

579
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Speaker 3: You sent sexual messages to her, yes, And you disclosed

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Speaker 3: this at some.

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Speaker 9: Point to your wife.

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Speaker 6: Yes.

583
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Speaker 7: When did you disclose it to Christy?

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Speaker 3: As soon as she asked about him?

585
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Speaker 13: And he asked what the number was, and I told her.

586
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Speaker 7: Harris also admitted what he said about divorcing Christie.

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Speaker 13: I think it came up as an option for.

588
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Speaker 3: The whole therea of living in a perfect world.

589
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Speaker 7: He was questioned about money problems in his marriage, what

590
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 7: was the reason.

591
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 13: For filing bankruptcy because we were well over our head?

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Speaker 7: And then asked about hiring a hitman to kill his wife.

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Speaker 9: Did you ever request that mister Shustock kill your wife?

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Speaker 7: No?

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Speaker 9: And if he said that you did, he's either lying

596
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Speaker 9: or mistaken.

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Speaker 11: No, he'd be lying.

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Speaker 12: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I love it when the Phinnans do that. Everybody's lying

600
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: but them. They're the only person telling the truth.

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Speaker 3: Take a listener. More from Kieren jwdv R cut H.

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Speaker 7: The forty four year old father also talked about what

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Speaker 7: happened inside his Davison home while the couple's two children

604
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 7: slept the night before his wife died. When you went

605
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Speaker 7: to bed that night, you were concerned that anything was wrong.

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Speaker 6: Did you notice anything.

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Speaker 13: Out of the ordinary either than her fall asleep when pumping,

608
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Speaker 13: She got hungry and made her up a bowl of cereal,

609
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Speaker 13: so what she asked for?

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Speaker 7: Harris left early for work the next day.

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Speaker 5: And when you left, she was a lot.

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Speaker 6: Correct.

613
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 7: A neighbor then found his wife dead in her bed

614
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 7: after Jason called that neighbor asking her to check on Christy.

615
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 7: At that time, Christy's death was ruled an accidental overdose.

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Speaker 7: You had nothing to do with your wife's doth right, correct? Right?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So Kieren dre joining me w d IV TV

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. So the working theory is that he put

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Speaker 1: heroin in her cereal he made her the night before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that is that was the theory that was going

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Speaker 4: you know, That's what the prosecutor believed. And there was

622
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Speaker 4: some digging from the sisters as they were trying to

623
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Speaker 4: get that information from the civil lawsuit, because they were

624
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Speaker 4: knocking on doors and talking talking to neighbors and talking

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Speaker 4: to co workers, and there was some word out on

626
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Speaker 4: the street, that he was unhappy in his marriage, and

627
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Speaker 4: he was talking to some folks who were known to

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Speaker 4: deal drugs and things like that. So that was kind

629
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Speaker 4: of the pieces that they were trying to put together

630
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Speaker 4: that they thought he put. He literally put heroin in

631
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Speaker 4: her cereal.

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Speaker 1: So is it true that he would proposition people at

633
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Speaker 1: work to be a hit man?

634
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Speaker 4: Can you believe that? I mean, we always talk about

635
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 4: dumb criminals, but I mean that that was the case.

636
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 4: They had two individuals from his work take the stand

637
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 4: and talk about how he one complained about his wife,

638
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 4: and then a second one he was looking for a hitman,

639
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,240
Speaker 4: and then a third he was trying to get drugs.

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Speaker 4: And there was some situation where he did some I

641
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Speaker 4: think was a clonnapin or some type of drug that

642
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Speaker 4: he did. Initially tried, there was a weird taste she

643
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Speaker 4: was eating. It was a weird taste, so she didn't

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Speaker 4: finish whatever he tried the first time. And then when

645
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Speaker 4: he went back and talked to the guy at work,

646
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Speaker 4: there was just even this guy was like, this guy's

647
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Speaker 4: a little crazy.

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Speaker 12: I don't want anything to do with him right now.

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Speaker 4: So he stopped helping him out with his plot.

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Speaker 1: What's amazing to me is the co workers just never

651
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Speaker 1: said anything. I got a guy trying to hire a hitman,

652
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Speaker 1: and isn't it true that he bragged he hired another

653
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Speaker 1: hitman for five thousand dollars and the hit man was

654
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Speaker 1: doing surveillance and got caught with a gun and sent

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Speaker 1: back to jail because he was on parole, and he

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Speaker 1: bragged about that at work.

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Speaker 4: Yes, hire's a hit man. Guy gets busted with a

658
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Speaker 4: gun right there. Now, we got it and feel free

659
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 4: from the police. Sand I got to be like, Okay,

660
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 4: what's going on here? I mean, we've got so much

661
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Speaker 4: stuff going on. Clearly somebody is trying to do something

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Speaker 4: to their wife. I mean, you had to interview that guy.

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Speaker 4: But I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: I don't get it, and I want to go straight

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Speaker 1: out to our shrink joining us. And I say that

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Speaker 1: in a loving, caring way, Doctor Sherry Schwartz, Doctor Sherry,

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Speaker 1: people just sit by and listen to a guy solictening

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Speaker 1: for a hitman to kill his wife, and they do nothing,

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Speaker 1: and then she pops up dead and they still do nothing.

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Speaker 5: Well, we know that this happens more frequently than we

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Speaker 5: care to talk about. A lot of times, you know,

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Speaker 5: people think, oh, this guy's just crazy, he's not really

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Speaker 5: going to do it. He's not serious, he's just talking nonsense.

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Speaker 5: And then you have the other guy who's giving away

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Speaker 5: or selling klonopin. That's somebody who's highly unlikely to go

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Speaker 5: to the police, right because they're engaging in criminal behavior.

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Speaker 5: They don't want to be detected.

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Speaker 7: Where did he work, Karen Dray, You know, I don't

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Speaker 7: remember the name of the facility, but it was like

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Speaker 7: a it was kind of like a manufacturing factory kind

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Speaker 7: of environment.

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Speaker 1: Okay, in case you're wondering whether he got away with it,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut b our friend, Karen

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Speaker 1: Drew wd Ivy.

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Speaker 14: The jury didn't believe your lies, and now on we're

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Speaker 14: finally exposed for the selfish, murdering, lying monster.

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Speaker 3: That you are.

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Speaker 7: Judge David Nublant did not hold back on what he

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Speaker 7: thought about Jason Harris and his plot to kill his wife,

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Speaker 7: Christy Thompson Harris and cash in on her one hundred

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Speaker 7: and thirty thousand dollars life insurance.

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Speaker 14: What you wanted, all the stuff you sacrificed your daughters, right,

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Speaker 14: you took away their mother. That's the first thing you did,

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Speaker 14: you took away their mother.

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Speaker 7: Forty seven year old Harris was found guilty of a

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Speaker 7: murder plot that involved Harris lacing his wife, Cereal, with heroin,

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Speaker 7: causing her death. Christy was a mother of two. There

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Speaker 7: was a breast milk that would prove she was not

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Speaker 7: doing drugs and was poisoned by her own husband.

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Speaker 1: To Karen Drew Special Guests joining us wd IV TV,

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Speaker 1: where is this poc another technical legal term.

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Speaker 3: Jason Harris now, oh, he's behind bars, sentenced to life

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Speaker 3: in prison. Can only hug that he stays there.

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Speaker 4: I can't even put into words. I've covered a lot

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Speaker 4: of court cases, and as a reporter.

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Speaker 7: You normally you sound from you know, when somebody takes

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Speaker 7: the stand and.

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Speaker 4: Talks about that judge. I had never heard of judge

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Speaker 4: go off on an individual more than this judge. And

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Speaker 4: he summed it up. You wanted all the stuff. You

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Speaker 4: wanted her one hundred thousand dollar life insurance policy, You

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Speaker 4: wanted to buy a car with that, You want to

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Speaker 4: do have an affair. You just wanted some stuff, and

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Speaker 4: then you left your two kids without a mom. The

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Speaker 4: twelve year old one of the children is twelve right now.

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Speaker 4: They read her statement in court. It was chilling. I

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Speaker 4: mean she basically said, Dad, you lied to me, you

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Speaker 4: killed my mom, and the children don't want anything to

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Speaker 4: do with him.

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Speaker 1: All I can say is, Jason Harris wrought in hell,

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Speaker 1: of course, and your conviction for murdering your wife, the

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Speaker 1: mother of your children, with poison cereal, is affirmed. You're

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Speaker 1: staying behind bars. This is a victory for Christina Ann

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Speaker 1: Thompson's family, but she can never be replaced. Her children

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Speaker 1: won't grow up without their mother. It's a small victory,

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Speaker 1: but yet a victory. Indeed, good bye, everybody,