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Speaker 1: This is a headgun podcast. I would like to begin

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Speaker 1: with a poem by the mother of Black Hollywood, Jennifer Lewis.

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Speaker 1: Owed to the man. There was hunky butch, nasty Bruce,

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Speaker 1: and silky sexy Linier, the Ethiopian in Boston who had

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Speaker 1: as long as the nile. John was high yellow with

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Speaker 1: the sexiest smile. Linier was my first at the tender

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Speaker 1: age of thirteen. Caught him with phyllis. That's sad. Halloween.

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Speaker 1: Dexter was my army boy. We did it on two chairs.

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Speaker 1: Keep it down for my mom is upstairs there was Jesse, Jeffrey, Jimmy,

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Speaker 1: and a dancer named Little Joe who laid me down,

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Speaker 1: flipped me over but didn't dent my frow. Gary pulled

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Speaker 1: my hair and had me in the closet. Maurice served

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Speaker 1: up a beer can, no return, no deposit. The businessman,

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Speaker 1: the boxer and the one and the sauna. I backened

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Speaker 1: him with my titties. Come here, baby, you wanna on

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Speaker 1: top of the Empire stair building. Yes, even up there.

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Speaker 1: Anybody watching chop please, I don't care. Don Rone, Tyrone, Tyrone,

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Speaker 1: and I remember Rocky smoked a pipe, but it was Perry.

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Speaker 1: Oh Perry, Oh, Perry was just ripe. Back then, I

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Speaker 1: didn't know my body was a temple. How precious and

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Speaker 1: fragile we are. I was blind, crippled and crazy, desperate

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Speaker 1: to be a star. Oh but I got up somehow

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Speaker 1: and scrubbed most of it away. That's a little funk

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Speaker 1: on me, so I'd be stronger on this day. No

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Speaker 1: stick still loved Dick. Who's that knocking at the door.

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Speaker 1: It's all your friends, you filthy horse. Your husband's gone

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Speaker 1: and you've got books and a bottle of wine to kill.

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Speaker 1: It's books, it's gossip. I'm shook. It's memoir. It's more teens.

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Speaker 1: Come read it while it's hot. Clebook clubs your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk sbrity books. No boys are allowed. Say

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Speaker 1: it loud. Celebrity book Club buzzman. I brought the Queer

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Speaker 1: Voe hey by best friend. I'm Stephen, I'm Lily Maroder,

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Speaker 1: and this is Celebrity book Club. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome, Welcome.

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Speaker 1: We've had a crazy run of four episodes, and here

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Speaker 1: we are on number five, where we will be talking

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Speaker 1: about the one the only Jennifer Lewis. Her book is

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Speaker 1: titled The Mother of Black Hollywood. Now you may have

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Speaker 1: heard a snippet of a poem just before this, seconds before,

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Speaker 1: seconds before one of the greatest theme songs ever written

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Speaker 1: in this goddamn plow? Who wrote that? Mark Shaman? It

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Speaker 1: was actually Terry Daniels, one of the best choreographers, and

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Speaker 1: we did lose him to AIDS in nineteen eighty four.

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Speaker 1: All right, pee, Well, so that poem she writes for

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Speaker 1: this book? Who knows? Actually? Maybe now I think she

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Speaker 1: wrote she just wrote it years ago. Yeah, she was.

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Speaker 1: She was a journal keeper. And I do want to

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Speaker 1: talk about why women keep journals. It's a very interesting question. Man,

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Speaker 1: They don't journal rot Some men do journal very few. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: But she, Jennifer Lewis, the Mother of Black Hollywood, the

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Speaker 1: right of this memoir does write this poem and owe

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Speaker 1: to Dick. And I would say a lot of this

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Speaker 1: book isn't owe to Dick and her relationship to Dick,

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Speaker 1: right you. I think what's interesting about sort of the

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Speaker 1: structure of this book for all my sort of lit

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Speaker 1: heads out there is it's sort of um, I want

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Speaker 1: to say in medias rests is that the correct term

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Speaker 1: her career, and then we go back, we sort of

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Speaker 1: see see her success right, and we go through she

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Speaker 1: was a Broadway star for many decades, decades, a cabaret star.

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Speaker 1: She really is. Um, you know, she's someone that's been

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Speaker 1: in everything. She's been in girlfriends, She's of course one

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Speaker 1: of the stars of Blackish. She's been in The Preacher's Wife. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I would yeah, I do want to back it up

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Speaker 1: her sing because it's like I would say, I feel

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Speaker 1: like most certainly white people probably don't know her name.

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Speaker 1: would say probably, Yeah. Recently obviously she's been on Blackish

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Speaker 1: for five for six seasons. Yeah. And she plays of

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Speaker 1: course Anthony Anderson's mother mother. And of course the title

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Speaker 1: of the book The Mother of Black Hollywood, is a

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Speaker 1: the mother you and that kind of really started. Um,

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Speaker 1: here's a big oscar in in film. She plays Tina

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Speaker 1: And then she's like, and by the way, I just

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Speaker 1: Wait are you serious? Yeah, And she's just like is

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Speaker 1: So basically watching Tina to her get raped day and

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Speaker 1: let's put things into perspective pointif previlege. I was not

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Speaker 1: raped by agg Turner anyway. So Jennifer Lewis is iconic,

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Speaker 1: and this whole book honestly is really about how she

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Speaker 1: her being like, why didn't I like really ever make

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Speaker 1: a long time. But I feel like Jennifer Lewis was

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Speaker 1: like obviously there's a lot of like racism and sexism

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Speaker 1: She is like a total you know, because you're father

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Speaker 1: but back to recurs. I think she really expected that

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Speaker 1: so Whoppie's group was like, you know what he was

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Speaker 1: round her and then you know Broadway. But here's the

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the movie where Whoopee pretends to be

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Speaker 1: a white man on literally Okay, Whoopee was a huge

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Speaker 1: part of my childhood, right, so that movie did she

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Speaker 1: I mean shout out to Hot Express, awesome video store

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Speaker 1: that I went to. But um, you know, I remember

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Speaker 1: But the movie where it's called like wall it's not

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Speaker 1: who is? Emma Stone? I think we first of all,

425
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Speaker 1: we met Emma Stone at the SML afterpart. Yeah, she

426
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:20,280
Speaker 1: was very okay, so not Emma Stone being normal af

427
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Speaker 1: I was like you're you're I was like, your name

428
00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:24,080
Speaker 1: is literally Katie and you're like, I don't know you,

429
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Speaker 1: Like you went to the most NYU part um. There's

430
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Speaker 1: so many y U parts. But when jeff Lus's time out,

431
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Speaker 1: how much she loves memoons Oh, and she's like, buzz falafels?

432
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Speaker 1: Am I right? She was like, we go to McDougall

433
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Speaker 1: and mcgealwood, get this falafel and we ate there and

434
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Speaker 1: we eat the whole thing sitting right there in the street.

435
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Speaker 1: And then one time he saw the chef smoking and

436
00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: he threw out the falafel. You know what this made

437
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,000
Speaker 1: me think of it is just so how like hello,

438
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,119
Speaker 1: like girls love like the rudest men, because it's like

439
00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 1: she keeps on saying Miguel's love her life, and she

440
00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: dates a bunch of other nicer guys and it's just like,

441
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Speaker 1: clearly this guy was like probably the biggest asshole of

442
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Speaker 1: them and is like blowing up because like one guy

443
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444
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Speaker 1: enter I mean nice guys finished last so and then

445
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Speaker 1: he passed away after a chess game which was very

446
00:22:15,880 --> 00:22:18,440
Speaker 1: Queen's Gambit that was so random, and it's just like

447
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: he would just always watching. Well, I love that. She

448
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: was like, So they would go to Washington Park Park.

449
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 1: He would play chess with the guys at the tables,

450
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,320
Speaker 1: and she was like, but chess is too boring for

451
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Speaker 1: me to watch a whole game. So I would wander

452
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Speaker 1: off and talk to the bums and the vagrand styling,

453
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Speaker 1: and she would just like, you know, mosy around the park.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally challenge write a book about New York

455
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Speaker 1: in the eighties and like, don't mention Tom Square Park

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Speaker 1: for grants at oh, Washington Square Park, Okay, brother, So

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Speaker 1: I kind of I went on my own. It was

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Speaker 1: actually like well no, I mean that's why I like,

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Speaker 1: lets just say like I didn't go to college time

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Speaker 1: because like basically it's like not like a college chapouts.

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463
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Speaker 1: about Malam Park, which was across from my college. I

464
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:08,200
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465
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466
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467
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Speaker 1: ditch the talk. Okay, one thing about this book is

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Speaker 1: I do when you're reading it, you're just like, was

502
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Speaker 1: this written in the twenties? Now? The way she she's

503
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Speaker 1: so Broadway, And then she'll just be like and so

504
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: we're walking down the street and Fat Jackie, the towel

505
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: prostitute rolled up in her fat Jack. Okay, so Chack

506
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,359
Speaker 1: the town process is the best story. So fat Chaki

507
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: is the down prostitute, as we said, and she's skipping

508
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: school with her friend. She's like, gals getting in, so

509
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,399
Speaker 1: they getting Fat Chack is Cadillac. And she's just like

510
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 1: because she's nervous because she thinks that fat Chaki is

511
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Speaker 1: gonna like report her to her mom for skipping school,

512
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: but instead Fat Jack he's like, you fucking yet, as in, like,

513
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: are you guys having having sex yet? Yeah? They fu Yeah.

514
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: I didn't assume that like that'd be cool. Though. She

515
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: was like, hey, you guys fucking and they're like no,

516
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,360
Speaker 1: And so she gives them a life lesson, which is,

517
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Speaker 1: before you make love to a man, always check the meat.

518
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:44,440
Speaker 1: Check check. Okay, we're gonna do twenty minutes to say so,

519
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 1: and she says sometimes even you got apollot a flashlight

520
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 1: if you want to check the meat. So what so

521
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis is so obviously, so check the meat means

522
00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: like see the size. And what I love this book

523
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: is she describes like pretty much everyone's like like like

524
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: Jennas Dickens said, only one time did she mention that

525
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: Liam Neeson has an every boddle this there's there are

526
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,400
Speaker 1: dicks that are quote garden gnomes. There are what's also

527
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: amazing is I feel like a beer can. She gets

528
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: to really go off because they are every time Dick

529
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 1: and Harry. So she's not trying about Jack Nicholson. No,

530
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: and she's like, they're like random guys should be like

531
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: this guy. But sometimes she'll just be like she'll say

532
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: their full name. She'll be like chorographers love a baby

533
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: carry and you're like, damn girl, like drag him. There

534
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: was the guy who had a garden gnome, which was

535
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 1: a very small dick, and so she said, no, don't

536
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:32,760
Speaker 1: put that in me, put it in my ear. Okay,

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00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 1: First of all, we need to talk about what No,

538
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: am I wrong? Oh Gordon, no means huge? Okay, see

539
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:43,159
Speaker 1: I mean this is our like again fourth episode of

540
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: Just Like Me, time about dick for like forty minutes

541
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: and again I've okay. So a garden gnome is like

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00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: a large object in a human's garden. I guess because

543
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm like super big, I'm in a garden. I think

544
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Speaker 1: of cardios. You're like fucking small, tiny h Look, I'm

545
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Speaker 1: not a fucking gnome look living in a fuck a

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Speaker 1: little Yeah, I'm doing like, yeah, if there was a

547
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: garden figure into a garden, because the gnome has that

548
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: kind of pointy hat, so there's a there's a phallicness

549
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: to Gardenome is huge, garden im is huge. That guy

550
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: is a huge, the guy who's so small that she says, honey,

551
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,479
Speaker 1: you can't even put that in my ear. No, she

552
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,920
Speaker 1: tells him to fuck her ear. He no, she says,

553
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: you can't even put that in my ear. I've read

554
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 1: that as fucked me in the ear. And I've read

555
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: this book twice now. This is very my reading style,

556
00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: where I just choose what I want to read, what

557
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: you want to say. It's also similar to your texting style,

558
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 1: which even your close friends sometimes like literally cannot decipher.

559
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 1: And I'm just like, I'm just like, and I took

560
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 1: away from this book. I'm just like, I can't wait

561
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: till Stephen gets the part where she gets fucked in

562
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: the ear. She says, honey, you can't even puck me

563
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: in the ear. And then she makes an excuse and

564
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: tells them to leave, which is truly which, Okay, that

565
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: part was insane, and so this and let me just

566
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: like talk about sort of checking this eye for a second.

567
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: So this is something that I before you get to that,

568
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 1: I want to give her method and I want to

569
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: know if you do this. Her kind of main like

570
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 1: way of like checking the meat is to have a

571
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 1: bath first. So well, because the thing she's only on tour,

572
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 1: So she brings the guy back to her hotel, the

573
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: Carlisle Darling, and then she draws a bath and they

574
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 1: like get in the bath together, and it's like, okay,

575
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: so you're gonna take this bath. And then if you

576
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 1: see the meat and it's not you know what you think?

577
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: Are you like all right, here's a towel, babe, get

578
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 1: out of here. Well yeah, and then that one time

579
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: she says, I faked a headache and told the guy,

580
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: the Ethiopian guy with the baby character, the guy who

581
00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: couldn't fuck her in air. So have you ever done

582
00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the bath? Absolutely not like like vigorously anti bath. I

583
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,680
Speaker 1: hate that. That just seems like it takes you're adding

584
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: so much more time. Well, it's also just like okay,

585
00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: if you're if you're bringing them all the way home,

586
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: like so this is where I draw the line. Well, no,

587
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: it's like if I'm already bringing a guy home. I'm

588
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: going to force myself to go through with it, no

589
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: matter how how full of regret I am, well, because

590
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: that's so to tell someone to leave once they're already

591
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: in your apartment. Although people have told me that. Okay,

592
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 1: I remember this one time, and it was like two

593
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 1: thousand and eight. It was like, honestly, like one of

594
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 1: the first like grinder had just been invented, and it

595
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: was the first time I ever opened it. The revolution

596
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:16,320
Speaker 1: had begun. I was the lad time a gun. I

597
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: was on my iPhone too. I was on a fucking

598
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: ipodum and I was talking to this guy and he

599
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: was like, this is a New York City. And he

600
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: was like, you know, come over. And I was like

601
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: with a friend and she was like do it. I

602
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: was like, I want to do it. So I go

603
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,719
Speaker 1: over to this apartment. It was like it was in

604
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: Astor place or like Sashwatching Squarepark, Mere Mamoons. It was

605
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: like this high rise that was like very fancy. I

606
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: go to just like the sixteenth floor and the door

607
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,959
Speaker 1: opens and there's like marble everywhere. I start to walk in.

608
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 1: The guy is like tall and kind of looks like

609
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 1: a picture as normal. I mind you, mind you. I'm

610
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: literally twenty two, so like I'm this, you know, young thing.

611
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 1: I'm a tiny young thing. It should be illegal to

612
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: fuck me. But I'm obviously this like perf like a

613
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: little you know, peach package and affect little mark Jacobs,

614
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 1: tiny little marks have just heeled flat as ready to

615
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Y're honestly, we're probably sort of deeper than they are

616
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: now because I just did start to chuck to know

617
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: the sort of prescriptions like bright and all, yeah, should

618
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: I do that? We'll get to that later and we

619
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: talk about that later. But anyway, so I walk in

620
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: and Endeavor told me to leave. By the way, you well,

621
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: out of the seven people you've so I walk into

622
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: this like marble department and I'm kind of like doing

623
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: a lap weirdly, just being like okay, I'm kind of

624
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: looking and I'm waiting for something to happen. And then

625
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: he just turned to me and he goes, this isn't

626
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: gonna work. And I was like huh, and I was

627
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 1: I was actually like so, I was like and he

628
00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 1: was like sorry, and I was like, oh, he's literally

629
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: telling me to leave. I was so like shocked. I

630
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 1: was like I wasn't even offended. I was just like, well,

631
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,200
Speaker 1: this is hilarious, I think on someone of I didn't

632
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: even want to go through with it because it was

633
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: early in my sexual caress and I was actually really

634
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Speaker 1: afraid you didn't even want to. No, I didn't know

635
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: you didn't want to. No, I dodn't mean that. That That

636
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 1: was just a joke when I said, no, one's ever believe.

637
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have the numbers to compare to you,

638
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: so the ratio doesn't kind of match up. Well, I

639
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 1: just think maybe he was an energy. It was my looks. No,

640
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure, you know, I listen. I've

641
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:28,959
Speaker 1: never been someone who lies on the profile. Okay, I

642
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: always I feel like your picks probably say what's going on.

643
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: I'm an honest person. I will link to my Instagram

644
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: and my grandprofists so people and can come. They can

645
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: see videos, so they can really see, like what I

646
00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: look like, so they're not going to be like, oh,

647
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 1: this Isre's the thing though, I think this fucking asked

648
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 1: a place, yeah, freaking high rise living telling my guy

649
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: to leave. I think this guy's just on a power trip.

650
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: I bet he does that all the time to fuck

651
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: with guys. You know. I feel like he's just there,

652
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: just like being so pinky in the brain, and it's

653
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: just being like not for me tonight. I want sushi.

654
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: I mean okay. Also, in my mind, he was like

655
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: thirty five, and I do have this disease where it's

656
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: just twenty six. Well, I think everyone's older than me,

657
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: Like to this day, I think everyone is older than me.

658
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,920
Speaker 1: Like I'll work out an office, like as a copywriter

659
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: at like a major branding agency with huge clients, and

660
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: like literally like people will be like twenty six and

661
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: I'm thirty one, and I just assume that everyone is

662
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: forty because I'm like, well, you have an office job,

663
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: and it's like, well, I'm also at an office. But

664
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: I just assume that, like everyone is this like grown up.

665
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: But it's like this guy, you know, in my mind,

666
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, okay, so he's like old and

667
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: rich and has this big apartment, and I guess he

668
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: didn't want he didn't want someone so like I think

669
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: like wet behind the ears, Like that's how I interpreted

670
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: as I was like I was too nubile totally. He

671
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Maybe he sends your fear, but

672
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: maybe really deep, deep deep in a darker way. You know.

673
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 1: It spoke to my biggest insecurities, like, oh, I'm I.

674
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: You know I have too big of a head because

675
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:02,959
Speaker 1: I was born a month premature, I have a receding hairline.

676
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: You know, my nose is too big, my ears aren't

677
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 1: big enough. You know, my gums are too gunned, etc. Well,

678
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 1: this has brought me to kind of one of my

679
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 1: points where when she talks about going to therapy, um,

680
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: you know you and I have both experienced different bouts

681
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: of therapy. That kind of made me think of you

682
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: because a lot of therapists rejected her as as even

683
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: telling me a lot of therapists have not been returning

684
00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:26,799
Speaker 1: your phone calls. And I was like, and it's like

685
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: she's going in there and sitting on the couch and

686
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: just being so like sobbing and just been like that

687
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: was kin lak honey. And then this happened to me,

688
00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,759
Speaker 1: Bette Midler blah blah blah, and she's like by the

689
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: end of therapist like hairs were standing on the back

690
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 1: of her head. And I feel like you are just

691
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: like going in and you're just being like he's the

692
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: fucking thing about my career, those like fucking blah blah blah,

693
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: lah Dad, I should have been my column and blah

694
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: blah blah, and they're just kind of like, you know what,

695
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: I don't need this. No, it's literally true. I'm waltzing then,

696
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: just being like New York Magazine has a futwalk against

697
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: and they're just like, I don't care. You're a random faggot,

698
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 1: like you actually have work to do that I can't

699
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: help you with. And I have been rejected by a

700
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 1: lot of therapists. But that's also actually an They should

701
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: all go to jail because that's malpractice. I wanted to

702
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 1: read this passage from the Therapy one moment here okay

703
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 1: a page one hundred and sixty nine. Fuck. Yeah. So again,

704
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: this also made me think of you, because m she's

705
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 1: talking about getting massages. Um, oh, this made me think

706
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: of me. Also, yeah, okay, wait, are you going to

707
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: the part where she gets the massage in Egypt? Yeah?

708
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,359
Speaker 1: Basically like okay, and this also to me because I've

709
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: been to Egypt. But she calls, you know, her therapist

710
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 1: is basically trying to get her to work on her

711
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 1: sex addiction, and she calls her therapist at three am,

712
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,680
Speaker 1: which is insane clearly. Also like this therapist is on

713
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: a payroll, the fact that she's picking up as she's

714
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: on retainer for sure, and she just goes, I want

715
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: to fuck this beautiful Egyptian man, and the therapists goes no, Jennifer,

716
00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 1: and she goes fuck you, and then she hangs up.

717
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: But she doesn't fuck the guy. She doesn't call him

718
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: for like a second massage that she hopes will end

719
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 1: up in sex. But I've seen you. It's like you're

720
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,879
Speaker 1: not like calling your therapist every time you get like

721
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: a happy ending of the Turkish bass, just being like

722
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 1: I'm about to get jerked off by this man of

723
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: the Turkish bass. Like it's just kind of happening for you.

724
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: I mean, totally different for Jennifer Lewis, because I think

725
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 1: it was a conquest. She was trying to fill something there, Yeah,

726
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I mean things. She's also like thinking that this is

727
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: more like she wanted to fuck the massage therapist. Separate

728
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: from the massage, you know what I'm saying, which is

729
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 1: different than this, is different than the massage becoming erotic

730
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: through the process of the journey of the massage, which

731
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 1: is what happens to me. I'm not all the time,

732
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 1: but sometimes, you know, the masseur will be so turned

733
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: on seeing my lifeless buddy on the table face down

734
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: that you know he can't help himself, but you know,

735
00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: sort of sort of up the ante a little bit,

736
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 1: and then it, you know, made your results in something sexual.

737
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: Here's a little passage from one of her therapy sessions,

738
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: which it's very good Will Hunting in this way. And

739
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: after I saw good Will Hunting, it was kind of

740
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: how I wanted to act in therapy. Rachel dropped a

741
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,720
Speaker 1: bomb on me, tell me about your mother. Seeing red,

742
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: I lunged off the couch into Rachel's face, yelling through

743
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 1: clenched teeth and pounding my chest. I came here to

744
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 1: talk about my career. Don't you ever mention my mother?

745
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: It's like, that's a fabulous therapy session. Yeah, you know,

746
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: And I feel like watching good Will Hunting, it was

747
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:39,399
Speaker 1: so like I had such a fantasy of like, whant

748
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: to go in a therapy session and then just being like,

749
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 1: you know, trying to get to the heart of it,

750
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: and me just being like I can't talk about that

751
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: right when I was there was such a badass masculinity

752
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: to be my fucking pan. I was forced into this therapy.

753
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 1: The closest it came is again. I was put into

754
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: child analysis for gender just morphia at age four. Um Is,

755
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: my therapist really wanted to get me to say that

756
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: I was jealous of my sister because she got all

757
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: the lead roles at the musicals that are Unitarian church.

758
00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: And she was like, just tell me, Lily, you're jealous,

759
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: And it was very timif for Lewis. She's like, just

760
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 1: tell me you're you're jealous of Gia getting like, you know,

761
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 1: this lead role in Oklahoma and this lead rolland filled

762
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 1: on a roof and I swear I was like, fuck you,

763
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: I don't ever want to talk about this again. I'm

764
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,759
Speaker 1: not jealous of my sister getting the lead role in

765
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: those musicals and I don't. I really don't know. Let's

766
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: actually I was just want to stop you right there,

767
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: because you bring up this anecdote so much to the

768
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: extent that I feel like you are dollars. Maybe I

769
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: love the ad, it's like I went, but it's like

770
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't want to be the literal musicals.

771
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: But maybe clearly right because you don't think you have

772
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:53,279
Speaker 1: a beautiful voice. And let's talk about no that is

773
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 1: that haunts me every day. Yeah, I would love to

774
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: have a seeing voice. It's not even passable, you know,

775
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: it's so bad. Here's the thing though, it's like, does

776
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: Bob Dylan have a beautiful voice? Well, but it's not.

777
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: I can't even do like I wish I could even

778
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: do kind of like random indie guy gravelly like talking

779
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: while playing guitar voice could anyone can do that? I

780
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: have no the tone any voice lessons, but literally anyone

781
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,920
Speaker 1: can do gravelly talking while guitar. I just feel like

782
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: my tone fucking rabbit could do gravelly talking playing guitar.

783
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 1: Hop hop. I don't know if I can. I think,

784
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,800
Speaker 1: but like I think that I think that's actually just

785
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: a gaffier that you need to work out. Um along

786
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: with back to Jennifer Lewis kind of just just back

787
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:39,360
Speaker 1: to her relationship with her mom. So she finally tells

788
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: her mom that, you know, it was fucked up how

789
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: she denied getting molested by this pastor and the mom

790
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: like still won't hear her years later, And I feel

791
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: like I watched Jennifer Lewis in this episode of Girlfriends

792
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: where she plays Tony's mom and Tony takes Jennifer Lewis

793
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: it's character for your girlfriend's heads out there to therapy,

794
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: and Jennifer Lewis won't hear it. And I feel like

795
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,480
Speaker 1: Jennifer Lewis, maybe her whole career is just trying to

796
00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: work out her issues with her mother by playing her

797
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: mother this like more fabulous version of her mother on screen.

798
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 1: You weren't listening. I didn't listen to a thing, or

799
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: you just had sorry. I was so literally so rude.

800
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 1: I listen to you go on and on. Here's the

801
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: eighth story about me getting fucked in two thousand and nine,

802
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there listening for the you know what,

803
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: the hours on my life. I hear you talk about that.

804
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: In some ways, I am Jennifer Lewis, and I get

805
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: that because it is very that when her friends eyn

806
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: of eight and she's calling him and she's like, I

807
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: fucked this guy, and he's just like, I'm actually dying, Lily,

808
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: Like how could you not remember? Like who like Ralph,

809
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,919
Speaker 1: Tom Dick and Harry was like in twenty eleven because

810
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: I ran into him. Can I say, you actually do

811
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,800
Speaker 1: remember every single person I've slept with, and it's iconic.

812
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: And thank you an elephant never forgets that. I really

813
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 1: respect you for having a catalog of everyone in my

814
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:12,480
Speaker 1: textual LADECS segment boots, why does she wear? How does

815
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: she live? What does she eat? What did she eat?

816
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 1: What did she wear? How does she live? Yeah? Okay,

817
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: so first of all, oh wait, I want to talk

818
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 1: about what she eats, because do you remember the part

819
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: with the book where she says I'll always stop off

820
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: in Saint Louis for jack fried salmon and spaghetti. Um,

821
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: I don't remember that part. But Saint Louis is like

822
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: one of those um cities where people talk about like

823
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: the iconic foods from there, and you're always kind of

824
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: like what you're look They're like, it's famous Saint Louis pizza,

825
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: but it's just pizza with um, I mean American cheese

826
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: on it. Not to be a coastal elite, but like

827
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: all food that's not from the coast disgusting. Okay, Stephen,

828
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely gonna call you in there, like have you

829
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: heard of barbecue? Okay, but Saint Louis barbecue, Darling, I'm

830
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: going you in that's the South, though I guess I'm not.

831
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna Saint Louis Kansas City, Kansas City, but

832
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: I feel okay, but that's just like the South bleeding

833
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: into Kansas City. Like that's not a mid I just

834
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,720
Speaker 1: feel like Midwest is gross for fruit, Chicago hot dogs.

835
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 1: Chicago has one of the most amazing gastronomy scenes. I mean,

836
00:42:21,239 --> 00:42:23,720
Speaker 1: but all Chicago food is like in coffee and growth

837
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: and you know that, and you know that's true, okay,

838
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 1: and you know that, Like Chicago burgers are like weird

839
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: over cooked, like you know that. I'm gonna stand for

840
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: like one Kumas is delicious. Chicago hot dogs are the

841
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 1: best type of hot dog you can get. Chicago restaurant

842
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: scene is literally sometimes I would say, miles above New

843
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: York and what the modern things they're doing. Okay, well,

844
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: let's talk about blackbird, let's talk about you know, aria,

845
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 1: and I just think whatever the evolution of barbecue, I

846
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: just don't do. I'm gonna say it. You don't really

847
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,279
Speaker 1: know about it. So okay, Well, first of all, I'm

848
00:42:58,320 --> 00:42:59,800
Speaker 1: not gonna like be fake and pretend to be of

849
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 1: our ahead and pretend to be like so just like

850
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 1: white person who loves barbecue, like goes on a road

851
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: trip and like, I'm not like going to put myself

852
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: who I am right, not the people who do that

853
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: are wrong, but I'm just like, that's not my thing.

854
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 1: But I love barbecue obviously because it's delicious and like

855
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: hats savor and sweat whatever I'm just saying. Like, also

856
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 1: like Wisconsin has like delicious food, like cheese. Anyway, I

857
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 1: think I'm calling you in Okay, mega man, So Megan McCain,

858
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: celebrate every state nation. We are beautiful, We are a patchwork. Okay,

859
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,360
Speaker 1: I will say, Okay, So, but when she described the

860
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: Jack fried salmon and spaghetti, I will like, my first

861
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: thought was like, whoa, that's weird. But then I thought

862
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 1: about it and I was like, well, you know, in

863
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 1: many ways, salmon pasta is one of the only taches

864
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 1: I even know how to make. Yeah, so maybe check yourself.

865
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,360
Speaker 1: That's the thing. You're just being like, oh, the MIDWESTI

866
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 1: doesn't know any food. But yeah, you're like making a

867
00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: random sandom. I guess I wonder what this this specific

868
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 1: Jack Jack. I feel like it is kind of this

869
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: like crazy spiced yeah fried salmon over pasta which is

870
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: probably good, I guess. I I worry about this spaghetti

871
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: being overcooked and a little mushy. I do feel like

872
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 1: the Midwest has a tendency to sort of put al dente.

873
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean she goes when she's like

874
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: and darling when I was on black Fish and like

875
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: lad like I was eating right. So I feel like

876
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: she's being well, she's so nineties and it's light salmon

877
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 1: pennies and so nineties, and she's like real chicken because

878
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: she talks about how like she also mentions multiple times

879
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 1: how like costume designers would be just like, honey, if

880
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: you game mate, you'll never lose it. And then she's

881
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 1: always been like, yeah, I'd still look pretty good for

882
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: my age, Darlene. But like, this is another thing, and

883
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: obviously this is like Halloween, Bean Texas and Racist, et cetera,

884
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: where it's like I think if she was twenty pounds center,

885
00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: then she would have like gotten more roles in Hollywood maybe,

886
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 1: But I also do think it's more of the thing

887
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 1: of her actually being like such a body fabulous, like

888
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: Cabaret gay Man. That's like more why she didn't totally

889
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,399
Speaker 1: get the roles. But I think to be that body

890
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: can Yeah, you have to be like super have to

891
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 1: be a little no, but I think I'm really bad

892
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: is super thin but mids Okay. But here's what's interesting. Yes,

893
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: but first of all, bet Miller also has like a

894
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: music career. Jennifer Lewis never recorded albums, which I feel

895
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: like is kind of weird because she was an amazing voice. Yeah,

896
00:45:09,719 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: and she also was in all these women shows there

897
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: were musical because I was looking so in her she

898
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:16,920
Speaker 1: makes she should have done albums. I feel like that

899
00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: could have been a whole other avenue. I mean, I

900
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: think she wanted to. It's not that, you know, she

901
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: didn't get to lay down the tracks. I guess I'm

902
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: wondering why she didn't lay on the tracks because I

903
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: feel like that could have been another you know, I

904
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, she you know, she met Nina Simone,

905
00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 1: she met Lena Horne, and she was just like, I'm

906
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: obsessed with you, right. I think she was such on

907
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,400
Speaker 1: a track to be this film star. I think she

908
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 1: wanted to be an actress so much that she was

909
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: like to lay down the tracks. And she was also

910
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: on such a Broadway thing, so it was all about

911
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 1: being in the musical. And I think also she was

912
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,399
Speaker 1: cast there was a part in her career. I think

913
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 1: she she was cast in the dream Girls, but she

914
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: was not. She was like, just like in the rehearsals.

915
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 1: I feel like that could have brought her to more

916
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: of a recording career. That's funny. So she was going

917
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: to be cast in the Rule of Effie, which of

918
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 1: course she's played by for Hudson and the movie film version,

919
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: the film version which one j Hudan oscars right now, um,

920
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 1: And she talks about how she like couldn't that's you know,

921
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, I'm not going is this like iconic

922
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: insane song where it's like all about belting the longest

923
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 1: notes and like so hard and she felt like that

924
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 1: she couldn't told you to adjustice And there's you know,

925
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,480
Speaker 1: I think she when they called her and they were like,

926
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 1: you don't have the dream girl's role, and she thought,

927
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: you know, oh, I'm close to all these gay choreographers

928
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: and it's something I've remembered, you know, and maybe I'll

929
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: remember it right now as I see you just kind

930
00:46:33,560 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: of looking down not listening to me again. You know,

931
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: gay men, you think they're they're they're your best friend.

932
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,080
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. They'll run you over as you

933
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: did in sophomore year when you ran over my foot.

934
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 1: Oh okay, and it comes back to this, Listen, gay

935
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: men are incredibly self absorbed. On Murga Show is a

936
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: famous joke, you know. No, it's with the gay guy

937
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,440
Speaker 1: when he like you accompany him to the club and

938
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: then he finds some guy who wants to go home

939
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 1: with and then it's you can get a ride, right,

940
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,239
Speaker 1: and you can get you get a ride, you know,

941
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,399
Speaker 1: and that's okay, and I have a ride and I'll

942
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: just be zoo big allid out of here. Okay. So

943
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,879
Speaker 1: she eats grilled chicken, I guess, but I think she's

944
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: also you know, she indulges every now and then. Okay,

945
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: how does she live? I have a theory on this.

946
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: So she has a condo. She has a condo in

947
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Studio City, which I literally had predicted even before she

948
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:31,080
Speaker 1: got to that point where it was like, she obviously

949
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: lives in certain city workout room because Studio City. And

950
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this now because I

951
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: don't have familiar with how I um, but no, I've

952
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,399
Speaker 1: heard a Studio City is getting like super hot because

953
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,880
Speaker 1: it used to be kind of right for down and

954
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 1: out actress with the rentals as they would you know,

955
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 1: go to auditions. Yeah, I mean the valley as you know,

956
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: like my time families from La the studio city. Really

957
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: the valley, it really is okay um and I you know,

958
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 1: I'm the Valley because it's like all my cheesy families

959
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,360
Speaker 1: from there. We're always saying with the rat and like

960
00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:02,399
Speaker 1: the North Valley. This also brings me back to kind

961
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: of your coastal elite thing. And this is why you

962
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 1: are your mother just being like so like angry about

963
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: just like some Midwestern food and and you're it's it's

964
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 1: kind of don't know how bad the food is. It's

965
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: like when I meet up with my family, we're staying

966
00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:16,480
Speaker 1: at the Summer Filled Suite. That's what I'm saying. This

967
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: is where it comes from, is like, but the food

968
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: is actually bad. Yeah, you are from the valley, so

969
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: you are thinking of this like nasty. As in the valley.

970
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: We were staying at the Summer Filled Suites by Marriott,

971
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: and then the nicest restaurant that we could go to

972
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:37,040
Speaker 1: was the Italian restaurant that was located within the radisson,

973
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,680
Speaker 1: which we weren't even staying at, and we had to

974
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: walk across the highway to empty Italian restaurant. The most

975
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: just like warmed over like cream Alfredo or whatever, and

976
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,480
Speaker 1: it was absolutely foul. That's you know, your brunt. And

977
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I have to bear that. No, you have to bear

978
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: that because my both sides of my family are just

979
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: like random and TACKI and I'm famous Italian so and

980
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 1: taste of my blood. The point is, I, so, here's

981
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,399
Speaker 1: my theory on how she lives. So I think so

982
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: she's like very like fabulous darling. She's fabulous. I feel

983
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: like it's some playbills frames de so here. I think

984
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 1: that she was very like animal print like until so

985
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: I think she was very like cheetah cheetah pillows like

986
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: leopard sheets, until like twelve years ago when a gay

987
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 1: came in and and like redecorated and now it's all

988
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:34,000
Speaker 1: like creams and like burgundy pillows. But it's still very

989
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: likely she still has had board the big I think

990
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: it's still I think it's a bit still there's still

991
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 1: animal print. I think there's still the big rug that's

992
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 1: a cheetah with like the arms out a little and

993
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:51,040
Speaker 1: it's less you know, it's no more zebra, but like

994
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: it's a white couch, okay. And I also do think

995
00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: which is kind of well, she also like adopts which

996
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: you didn't really get into, she adopts a child like

997
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 1: later on, and I feel like maybe she like maybe

998
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: around that time is probably when it got like she

999
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,520
Speaker 1: was like, I need to you know, kid this up,

1000
00:50:07,560 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: and she like, you know, changes that maybe makes it

1001
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: a little more kid friendly, a little less cheetah pillows.

1002
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:17,200
Speaker 1: I think that she also has like one Buddha statue

1003
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: in the living room that was a gift from like

1004
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 1: makeup artist on season five of Strong Medicine. Yeah, it's

1005
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: like and I think also Scott makeup artists in the business.

1006
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: We're learning, you know, and reading, you come to think

1007
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: most celebrities, most female celebrities, there's gonna be Buddha. So

1008
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 1: just given it's white couch, it's Buddha unless they have

1009
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:50,200
Speaker 1: like such an insane strong sense of style and learning

1010
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: through my head right now, a few Moale celebrities just

1011
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:54,240
Speaker 1: and like trying to think of who doesn't have a Buddha.

1012
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: I actually can't. I'm just like Michelle Williams like Buddha.

1013
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:02,439
Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz Sharon's Stone Buddha, Cheryl Crow Buddha. Like there's

1014
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 1: actually not a female celebrit Corney Cox no Buddha. Wow,

1015
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: I would think that Corney Cox is so Booda. I

1016
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:14,480
Speaker 1: feel like maybe Cheryl gave Corney Hooks a Buddha because

1017
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: like she's pizza Oven. She's so Buddha. It's the Buddha

1018
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 1: as a pizza Oven. I'm just like, like, it is

1019
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 1: just something that if you have ever done yoga like

1020
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 1: once and you're a rich celebrity. J Lewis gets very

1021
00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,600
Speaker 1: spiritual where she starts going to like and she knows

1022
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: she takes back her Christianity and she starts going to

1023
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:44,160
Speaker 1: a non com non denomin no denominational. Okay, um, just

1024
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: to close up on this book, I'm obsessed with it. Yeah,

1025
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 1: it's really insane. I think it definitely is like a

1026
00:51:49,600 --> 00:51:52,200
Speaker 1: quick read, Like it's like, yeah you can, she sort

1027
00:51:52,239 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: of rolls through shit, um and it's fun. So you

1028
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: could probably I read this one. We talked about a

1029
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: beach read. I literally read this on the beach because summer, Yeah,

1030
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: on a beach, you know you're kicking back a white claw.

1031
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: Just you know, this is a laugh out loud. Watch

1032
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: Shacki's back on YouTube. Talks about dick size and she's

1033
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 1: really open about it. So I think that if you're curious,

1034
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: we've said, we're like, this book is mostly about dick

1035
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 1: size and Broadway. And that's a that's a that's a

1036
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: refreshing honesty that you don't see in a lot of

1037
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of writers. Yeah, you really

1038
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: don't see no, not anymore. Um. Yeah, and you know,

1039
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: watch her on girlfriends, watch her on Blackish, watch her

1040
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: on The Preacher's Wife. As I said the Iina and

1041
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 1: Baggage claim, have you seen baggage claim? Yes, but I

1042
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: need to rewatch. Just's been a while. I mean it's

1043
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,880
Speaker 1: not that great, but I mean, okay, I'll say that

1044
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge Paula Pattent fan. Okay, you can say,

1045
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 1: you know what she is in recently, and I know

1046
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 1: we're kind of past Christmas, but she's in the most

1047
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: recent Dolly parton Christmas musical Christmas on the Square this way?

1048
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: Is that part of her like Christmas with parts like

1049
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: show where every episode's based on a song. No, but

1050
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 1: it's a musical and just like its own Netflix Christmas movie.

1051
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 1: But Jennifer Lewis I think gets to really use her

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Speaker 1: voice in that, and I want to watch that kind

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Speaker 1: of post Jennifer Paul. No, I'm just saying it's Jennifer

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Speaker 1: Lewis movie. Okay, So check that out anyway. Ten out

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Speaker 1: of literally I give it ten memoon full offel sandwiches

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Speaker 1: out of ten. Honestly, I give it five dark histories

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Speaker 1: of sexual abuse out of five sad. Okay, So next

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Speaker 1: week we're actually doing another book with dark histories of

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Speaker 1: sexual abuse, but other awesome things in it. It's not

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Speaker 1: just sexual abuse. It's a gorgeous book by none other

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Speaker 1: than the big movie star, Demi Moore. Demi Moore obviously

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Speaker 1: very famous, married to Bruce Willis, married to her work,

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Speaker 1: an amazing mother of three. Join me in shaving your

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Speaker 1: head Gi Jane's style for this next episode. Um, anyone

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Speaker 1: who shaves their head and posts hashtag Celebrity book Club

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Speaker 1: will give you a free book. And just any book,

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Speaker 1: but a book that has touched our grubby little pause

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Speaker 1: and that you can't put a price on. No, that's

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Speaker 1: a really good sweepstakes, I think, So get excited. Read

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Speaker 1: it or don't, but do sort of refamiliarize yourself with

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Speaker 1: her career at some point if you want to or not,

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Speaker 1: because you don't need to, because that's what's the fun

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Speaker 1: about its podcast. She's accessible. But maybe you want to

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Speaker 1: watch g I Jane or Stripped Tease or Brett or

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Speaker 1: a brat Pack movie SMaL's Fire. I don't want to

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Speaker 1: step on the pod too much, but I will say,

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Speaker 1: watch some of her lesser known films, such as Disclosure,

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Speaker 1: but also Stripped Teas because there's that iconic see where

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Speaker 1: she danced and standing. Or watch her in Ashton on SNL.

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Speaker 1: Do the whatever the fuck you want to do. Okay,

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Speaker 1: no rules, just raw, just podcasts. So yeah, catch that

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Speaker 1: next week. Catch that next week. And in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: please please leave us a review on iTunes. I literally

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Speaker 1: dusk for one second? Sure? Just post the story? You know?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, post the story. Give me something to do, sweetheart, honey,

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Speaker 1: I will rest content we're sending at home. Refresh, refresh um. No,

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Speaker 1: not that we're not already getting a lot of notifications.

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Speaker 1: My notification actually control. I act to put my phone

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Speaker 1: up because I'm like, this is too much, but I

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Speaker 1: would love a story. I'll follow us on Twitter and

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Speaker 1: tweet at us. We'll absolutely interact. No, we're super interactive. Um,

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Speaker 1: we're like AOC. Okay, we like we want to be

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Speaker 1: in touch with our constituents. Just modern Okay, bye y'all.

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Speaker 1: produced by My Nemesis Magmanane with that editorial support from

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