1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: This is the business of sports. Should Major League Baseball 2 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: shorten up the season? How do we present football to 3 00:00:07,520 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: the audience of the future. I don't think that most 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 1: players understand the power that they have. Michael vaugh The 5 00:00:12,320 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: future of IndyCar racing is looking bright. Scott sash Nick 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 1: very basic math here, more bidders means more money. Evan 7 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: Nobody Williams. The team value has essentially quadruples. And the 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:24,640 Speaker 1: leaders in the sports industry time to bring in our 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: guest hal stand Runner, National Hockey League Commissioner Gary Bettman, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: Atlanta Braves president Derek Schiller, Patriots President Jonathan Kraft. Bloomberg 11 00:00:32,440 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 1: Business of Sports from Bloomberg Radio. Hello, I'm Michael Lauren, 12 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: I'm Evan Novie Williams, and I'm Scottsnik. Every week at 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: this time plus Monday's, Wednesdays and Thursdays, we explored the 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: big money issue in the world of sports. Today we 15 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:48,760 Speaker 1: talk college sports with Notre Dame Athletic Director Jack Swarburg. 16 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: We want to put our students in this position to 17 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: be the originators of content for us and help enable it. 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,040 Speaker 1: I think that's the future and we're very committed in 19 00:00:57,120 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: that direction. We have More of our interview with Notre 20 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: Dame Athletic director at Jack Swarbrick coming up, but first 21 00:01:04,040 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: let's look at the top stories of the week, and 22 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: let's start with National Lacrosse League labor problems. Yeah, well, 23 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:12,759 Speaker 1: but we want to talk about this because it's it's 24 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: significant because of every every sport has this. You hear 25 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,120 Speaker 1: about the big sports all the time, but these smaller 26 00:01:18,160 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: sports are you really can't afford to be off the radar. 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: And the NLL as we speak, is trying to hammer 28 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: out a labor deal with its players. They're supposed to 29 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: start December one, so you better open training camps, which 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:33,400 Speaker 1: of course cannot happen until you have a signed labor contract. 31 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: And guess what the fight is about, Williams. What is money? Yeah? 32 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 1: What is money? And its one to three, four and five. Yeah, 33 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 1: it's about how much money do we bring in? How 34 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: much you know, the percentage of the players get. And 35 00:01:48,640 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: the commissioner of the league, Knicks Keevich, has said guys like, 36 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 1: We're happy to raise your salaries if the revenue justifies it, 37 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: but it cannot be out of whack, you know, and 38 00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: the players still saying, well, look, the league is doing well, 39 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: it's expanding. You bring in news owners, we we want 40 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 1: more money. So right now they're loggards are making progress. 41 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: But yet another league where it's just labor and management 42 00:02:09,600 --> 00:02:11,240 Speaker 1: just can't seem to get on the page. And this 43 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: is the this is the indoor Lacrosse League, the one 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 1: that's played in arenas, uh, separate from the the existing 45 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,079 Speaker 1: outdoor league MLLL and the new outdoor league that we 46 00:02:20,200 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: from the owner sports and entertainment owner of the Nuggets 47 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: and the Rams. You have the Bugoulas, the Sabers and 48 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: the Bills. You have jos I in San Diego. So 49 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 1: you've got some real real money uh coming in. But 50 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: you still have to generate the rev salary cap last 51 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: year per team four thousand dollars. That's a that's a 52 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 1: twenty man active roster. That's not hard a person. From 53 00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:46,440 Speaker 1: what I understand, what this this labor to dispute comes 54 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:48,920 Speaker 1: down to, a lot of the players have a share 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 1: of ticket sales right now. Um, they want to cut 56 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: of kind of all the revenue streams including concessions, parking, UM, merchandise, etcetera. UM. 57 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:00,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, as you said, December one is rapidly approaching 58 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: and this is certainly threatening the beginning of the season. 59 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the NHL concussions settlement. Now, when you 60 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: look at the numbers, it looks more like this is 61 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: in favor of the owners. Yeah, you're you're talking about 62 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: two bucks per player if you were part of the lawsuit. 63 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 1: Obviously pales in comparison to the billion dollar settlement of 64 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: the NFL, but similar in structure, Right, is admitting kind 65 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 1: of responsibility. If you're an NHL owner and you seemingly 66 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: have this issue behind you, you are very very happy 67 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: because it was one of those things that was standing 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: in the way of everything. I mean, people looking to 69 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: buy teams were saying, well, what about this head issue? 70 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: What about head trauma? I mean, still an issue because 71 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: it's an issue for star players not playing. Um, but 72 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: the liability that was associated with former players. Now you 73 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: have that certainty. And when we see these deals, the 74 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 1: NFL had one, as we mentioned the NHL. Now, um, 75 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 1: is it just that the league leverages so much better 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: because you know, these are a lot of these are 77 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: are former players. You know they don't they don't they're 78 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: not part of the NHL ecosystem anymore. Why is it 79 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: that it seems like these deals are coming in lopsided 80 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 1: for the billion dollars' aging players who want money. Now. 81 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: If the leagues want to litigate this for another five 82 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: ten years, they can do that. And part of the 83 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: strategy I've been told by outside attorneys is litigate until 84 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: there are fewer claimants, which which means they die. Well, 85 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 1: that that's one of the possibility. I hate to say this, 86 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: and hockey fans are not gonna like me for saying it. 87 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: And part of the problem is out of the four 88 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: major food groups with the major sports, hockey is fourth, 89 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,960 Speaker 1: and maybe that's why. But there's still but there's still 90 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: plenty of money in hockey. Look at that Canadian broadcast. Hey, 91 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: good news for Nike. If you're a fan of Nike. 92 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 1: There's a store that's opening up the flagship right here 93 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: in New York City. Yeah. I was actually there earlier 94 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: this week. Took a tour of the place. Uh, Nike's unveiling. 95 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: It's what it thinks the future of of brick and mortar. 96 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: You know, physical retail shopping is uh and it looks 97 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: a lot like shopping you do on your couch. You know, 98 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: you need your phone to be a part of it 99 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: through the entire walk through Nike Plus members, which are 100 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: which would you become when you download the Nike app. 101 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff in the store that you 102 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: need the app to do. Wait wait, wait, wait wait wait, 103 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:20,919 Speaker 1: you're going at a brick and mortar store. Yeah, and 104 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: you're pulling your phone out because you can check out 105 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: on your phone. You can order clothing different sizes to 106 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: be delivered to a dressing room to meet you there. 107 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: On your phone, you can scan a mannequin and it 108 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: will detail, you know, everything, the mannequins wearing, where, if 109 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: they have it in the store or not, how quickly 110 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:40,720 Speaker 1: they can get it. I would pay to see Bar 111 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: try to navigate the store. I would pay to just 112 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 1: for the experience of watching you try to navigate the store. 113 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 1: You know what we we should take a camera and 114 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: put it on me trying to store laughs, because I 115 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: could just see it now. It's like, you know what 116 00:05:55,160 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: I'm telling the police, I thought it was a mannequin. 117 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not and I don't mean this literally, Bar, 118 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: but the only thing coming through, because you're not a 119 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:07,360 Speaker 1: small guy. The only thing in my head right now 120 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: is that guy. We'll bring Michael store at some point, 121 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: but Bar gets the extra small accidentally delivered. Any who 122 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,159 Speaker 1: Evanvie Williams. You can follow him on Twitter at novie 123 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: Underscool Williams. We'll let you go now, Evan, as I 124 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 1: know you're a busy man with many things to get 125 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,119 Speaker 1: done today, a few things I like more than talking 126 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 1: about college sports. I'm bummed that I'm not going to 127 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: be here with you. Guys. They're pal Jack Squarbrick, I 128 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: mean the Notre Dame athletic director, Jack Swarbrick, Now Bar, 129 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: I mean there are athletic directors who have been a 130 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: while and seen a few things. This guy is one 131 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 1: of them. And to do it at a university that 132 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: has the football reputation of Notre Dame. You can learn 133 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: a few things and jack the game This weekend against Syracuse, 134 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: your team travels to Yankee Stadium for the matchup. Why 135 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: does Notre Dame play so far away from home? We'll 136 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: be because it is fundamental to who we are. We 137 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,360 Speaker 1: we choose to be independent, Uh with the football program 138 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: um a very rare thing these days. And if you're 139 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,000 Speaker 1: going to be independent, UH, this is central to doing 140 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: it right. We believe that that football should promote the university, 141 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: and so we do that uniquely. No, No, no institution 142 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: has ever played in Los Angeles, Chicago, and New York 143 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: in the same year. No football program. We're about to 144 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: do it for our ninth time. Um. We played in 145 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: nine out of the ten largest cities in the past 146 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: ten years in the United States. We just announced our 147 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: third overseas game. That's that's what we have to have 148 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 1: to do. It's it's what we should do it, notre dame. 149 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 1: I like the way you said we choose to be independent. Realistically, 150 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: how many other programs could make that choice? UM, you know, 151 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:58,200 Speaker 1: that's a great question. I think in recent times he 152 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: answered be almost none. Be you of course is doing 153 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: it now. UM. But I think we're going to face 154 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: an interesting time in media where there may be opportunities 155 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 1: for other schools to do it. Um. As we as 156 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: we shift to new forms of program delivery, UM in 157 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: in in the world, and in the next round of 158 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: TV contracts, I think there may be an opportunity for 159 00:08:18,560 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: some schools to consider it. Whether they choose to do 160 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: it or not, who knows. Now, for years you've had 161 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: a contract with NBC, UH and hopefully you know as 162 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 1: the as this brand continues, Uh, this will continue on. Yeah, 163 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: they're a great partner. It's not it's not just about 164 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,719 Speaker 1: having our own network deal, which is extremely helpful. But 165 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: they're such a great partner. They produce the p s 166 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,880 Speaker 1: A s within the broadcast they call what would You 167 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: Fight For? They're really compelling stories about the university. Um, 168 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: they're great partners in in supporting our decisions about when 169 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,440 Speaker 1: we play and where we play. So and we get 170 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: national clearance. Our games are never regionalized. And that's uh, 171 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: that's all part of this same dynamic of promoting the brand. 172 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: I should add this too, by the way, the Notre 173 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Dame games you can hear them every Saturday right here 174 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio, which I'm excited about in New York. 175 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: So that's called full disclosure. That's a full disclosure. Got 176 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: we gotta get that part there. But something else about 177 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: Notre Dame that always excited me is the history of 178 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: the football program. I mean, think about it. You could 179 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: just say newt Rockney to somebody and they know automatically, Hey, 180 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: that was the dude. They used to play it Notre 181 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,520 Speaker 1: Dame years ago, and and I could go on and 182 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: on and yes, I'm gonna give a spoiler alert. I 183 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: cried during Rudy at the end. So can you tell 184 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: us more about what the history means for Notre Dame. Yeah, 185 00:09:54,800 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: it's um. It's a great observation because U it is 186 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: so tied to the ascendancy of the school in a 187 00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: unique way. UM in a remarkable man by the name 188 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 1: of Jesse Harper, first a d and first full time 189 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 1: head coach at Notre Dame. UM save Notre Dame football 190 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:20,200 Speaker 1: for first and only coach ever to be undefeated in 191 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: his first season, win every game. Nude Rockney was a 192 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: wide out on that team. But in New York on 193 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: November one, Notre Dame effectively introduced the forward pass the 194 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: football and upset the heavily favorite Army team. And and 195 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:39,560 Speaker 1: there's so much about that game which is significant, but 196 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 1: one of the great pieces of significance about it was 197 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: obviously in New York. Uh and and that drew attention, 198 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: But it coincided with the third and largest of the 199 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: immigration waves to the United States, and that game, that 200 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: team that year cause that connection for Notre Dame to 201 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: be adopted by those people, the players at names like 202 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,280 Speaker 1: those immigrants they looked like those immigrants, and and it 203 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,479 Speaker 1: it overnight in a sense, it created a national identity 204 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 1: for the program that Rockney then took full advantage of 205 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: when he was promoted to be eventually the head coach. 206 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 1: All these games we've played in Yankee Stadium and the 207 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:23,839 Speaker 1: Polo grounds and the meadowlands are all hearkened back to 208 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:27,199 Speaker 1: that history and and and and that tradition. And are 209 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: many of our most famous games have been played in 210 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,439 Speaker 1: New York. The Gipper speech was in New York in 211 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: Yankee Stadium. Grantland Rice's famous line about the four horsemen 212 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 1: was penned for a game played in New York. So 213 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 1: that history is is really courses through the decisions we 214 00:11:43,679 --> 00:11:46,560 Speaker 1: make today. We are chatting with Notre Dame Athletic director 215 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: Jack Swarbrick, and Jack, I want to touch on the 216 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,439 Speaker 1: media again. You do, of course have that contract with NBC, 217 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: but the world is changing. You don't reach kids anymore 218 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: on linear TV. Everybody's talking about reaching the millennials, gen X, 219 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: gen Why whatever it is these days? What is new 220 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: for Notre Dame? If you're looking forward, do you foresee 221 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: a day perhaps where there's a sub license on an 222 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: O T T because everybody wants their content on their 223 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: devices these days, these kids just don't watch TV. Yeah, 224 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:17,079 Speaker 1: you're absolutely right. That's our focus to UM. Three things. 225 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: One is NBC is a great partner for that. I mean, uh, 226 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: that's a great thing about being part of a company 227 00:12:23,360 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: that's the largest broadband provider in North American Comcast. So 228 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,319 Speaker 1: so it's not just the linear network, it's the other 229 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: assets of the Comcast Universal Family, which we look forward 230 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: to being part of. Secondly, the a c C network 231 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: launches next year, very important for us. While our football 232 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: rights aren't part of that, our other sport rights are 233 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: and the success of the a CEC network will help 234 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:53,839 Speaker 1: significantly to close the gap that exists now at the 235 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: big ten in the SEC. And we can bring that 236 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: back to Searchers University. By the way, because John Wilde 237 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: act the a D, you will UM is going to 238 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 1: have a lot to say about what that network looks like. Absolutely, 239 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: John is a great asset for us in the in 240 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: the a D meetings. And then finally, we've uh, we 241 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: are very aggressive with our own media fighting Irish media. 242 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: It's called UM. A matter of fact, I just found 243 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: out yesterday we won four regional Emmys, and and we 244 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: are very focused on taking a pretty radically different approach, 245 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: which is being a platform that enables the content produced 246 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: by our own student athletes, UM and and and giving 247 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 1: them the platforms. I'm I'm struck by the fact that 248 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 1: the sports news of the day is increasingly shaped by 249 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: what Lebron has to say through his own social media 250 00:13:43,600 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: or pick your person, right, I mean, that's that's where 251 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: it originates, and we want to put our students in 252 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,840 Speaker 1: the same position to be the originators of content for 253 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: us and help enable it. Question for you, then, would 254 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: you allow your student athletes to utilize what technically others 255 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: would have to pay for themselves on the field during 256 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: game footage? Would you allow them to utilize those rights 257 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: in some of the content that they're trying to produce. Yes, yes, 258 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: so so long as we can, uh, you know, clear 259 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:14,600 Speaker 1: the rights with our own broadcast partners. But absolutely that's 260 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: what we want to do, and we want to extend 261 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: that relationship after they leave us, you know, we want 262 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,479 Speaker 1: we want to continue to be a platform for them, 263 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: UM and AND. I think that's the future and we're 264 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: very committed in that direction. What would that look like 265 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: you said, after they leave us, you want them to 266 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: continue to be a platform. What would that look like 267 00:14:32,120 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: in an example of what that would be, Well, you know, 268 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: they one of the things that that gets lost now 269 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: is is all the imagery of the students when they 270 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: were here sort of disappears once they leave, in the 271 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 1: sense of their ability to use it and call on it. 272 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: I'd love for them to still be able to tap 273 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: into those highlights and those those images in their own 274 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,239 Speaker 1: social media. I'd love to be able to call attention 275 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: to their social media, you know, provide an easy resource 276 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: where you can get you can get the latest things 277 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: that have been produced by every NFL Notre Dame alum 278 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 1: who's in the NFL. Um you know, have them, have 279 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: them work with us, not not exclusively, but you know, say, okay, listen, 280 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: when you're gonna where you're gonna post something about your 281 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: observations about Sunday's game. Um, let's let's let's have something 282 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 1: that directs our our audience to it as well. I 283 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: have a serious question coming up in a second, But 284 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: first here's my silly question. Because I got into a 285 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: HEATD discussion at a guy uh in a bar Notre 286 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: Dame or Notre Dame, Um, Notre I was wrong and 287 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: we accept both. Accept both. Now my serious question, what 288 00:15:56,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: where do you see the landscape of college football today? Uh? 289 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: And where do you see it going in the future, 290 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 1: not only with the media contracts, but times change, like 291 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: and like Scott was saying, and like you mentioned, life 292 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 1: has changed. The way we we used to watch college football. Uh, 293 00:16:15,480 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: you know, used to be on TV line or TV 294 00:16:18,080 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: and my goodness is Saturday afternoon and I gotta get 295 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: my rabbit ears going and that's it. Where do you 296 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: see it going? You know, I'm not smart enough to 297 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: figure it out other than to say I I think 298 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: radical changes is likely. You've got lawsuits lined up like 299 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: jets at LaGuardia, Um, which is really impact check. Yeah, sorry, 300 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: my traveling career as well. Yeah, you know, I'm always 301 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: struck by the fact a quarter inch of rain slows 302 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: the lot LaGuardia down. But anyway, UM, you know, we 303 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: we were, we got a judicial landscape which is going 304 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: to shape part of what we do. We've got significant 305 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,240 Speaker 1: health and safety issues we need to address. We've got 306 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: a completely changing media landscape. And when you mix all 307 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: that together, UM, I can't see a future that doesn't 308 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: involve significant change. I think we've got to deal with name, 309 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: image and likeness issues for our students. I think we've 310 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,439 Speaker 1: got to make sure we stay firmly connected to the 311 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: educational model, and and all that's going to be challenged 312 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: by what's ahead of us are firmly connected to the 313 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:31,879 Speaker 1: educational model. I'm gonna tell you something that Father Jenkins, 314 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: the school president, had said that if the world of 315 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: college sports ever moves towards paid athletes, Notre Dame is out. 316 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 1: They want nothing to do with it. Is that what 317 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 1: you understand, Jack? Absolutely? And uh you know people people 318 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: interpreted that as saying we would withdraw from Division one athletics. 319 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 1: That's not the point at all. We've had ample conversations 320 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 1: with peer institutions who all feel the same way. The 321 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: schools we tend to play anyway and compete with and 322 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: and and spend time within a host of ways or 323 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: share that vision and we will compete against each other. 324 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Um I if if if this moves to an employee 325 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,439 Speaker 1: employer relationship on some level, there'll be a group of 326 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: schools which will choose a different model. And and that's fine. 327 00:18:22,440 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: We are chatting with Jack Swarbrook, the athletic director at 328 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: Notre Dame, and Jack, I want to ask you this 329 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: question because we debated here in the newsroom a lot. 330 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Where is the value if if the Notre Dame football 331 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: team all the kids that play there now played the 332 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: Michigan kids, but it was at some third party field. 333 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: One team wore read, one team wore blue, no affiliation 334 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: with the universities, but the same players. How many people 335 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 1: do you think would show up? What I'm trying to 336 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: get it is where how much is the value of 337 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the player. How much is the value of the brand 338 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: of the institution? Yea, their families would show up? Um. Hey, 339 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,919 Speaker 1: I I actually think there's an easy there's a pretty 340 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: easy example of that, um. And that is in in 341 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: in certain UH sports, certain instances. You have examples of 342 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,760 Speaker 1: students who are able out of high school to go 343 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,520 Speaker 1: right to a professional opportunity, which I think they absolutely 344 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: ought to be able to do. They tend to have 345 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: no commercial value individually at that point in their careers. Um. 346 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: If they were a freshman playing point guard for North 347 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: Carolina or playing quarterback for Alabama, there's enormous value at 348 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: that point in their careers, right And The only place 349 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,199 Speaker 1: that I would give you is yes, of course, if 350 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: you're Carmelo Anthony, you play six games in the tournament, 351 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,359 Speaker 1: you win a championship. Everybody knows who you are as 352 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: a freshman. You have a name, you have a platform. However, 353 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: I can't remember anybody going pro with more hype than 354 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,879 Speaker 1: Lebron James, and Nike sure secured him to a big 355 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: money deal before we ever played a college game or 356 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:58,679 Speaker 1: a pro game. You know, I think I think Lebron 357 00:19:58,760 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: is the exception on so many levels, um. But there 358 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 1: have been other athletes who have gone to Europe for 359 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: the first year rather than the pros, or have gone 360 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: to Asia, or some who have been age eligible to 361 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: go directly to the G League, and you haven't seen that, um. 362 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: Whereas that same athlete, I would suggest to you, placed 363 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 1: with one of the brands in their sport, high profile 364 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: brands would be perceived as having enormous value. I think 365 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: that relates to the school brand, um more than it 366 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 1: does the individual. There will be there will be exceptions, 367 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,000 Speaker 1: but by and large, I think it worked, especially in football, 368 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: it works towards the school brand. Would you be okay, 369 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: then with athletes freshman sophomore whatever it is, capitalizing on 370 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: their name and likeness, and I think most would be 371 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: in the local market, very few nationally. Um, whether it 372 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: maybe Johnny Manzel had a real national footprint. I think 373 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: a lot of college athletes would be surprised that there 374 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 1: isn't that much market for their name and likeness. But 375 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: they can find that out of their own. But there 376 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: are some stars who could earn some significant bucks. Would 377 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: you be okay with that? Yeah, I think it's very 378 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,760 Speaker 1: important to normalize the experience of the student, whether they're 379 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: an athlete or they're not. Our other students can capture 380 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: their name, image, and likeness. Why can't our students who 381 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: are athletes. So my my baseline proposition is yes, but 382 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: you've got to set it up in a system that 383 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,879 Speaker 1: ensures some measure market value. The risk here, of course 384 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 1: that sort of doesn't exist in any professional sports model. 385 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 1: Is the autograph, right, I'm really not paying you fifty 386 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: dollars for your AUTOGRAPHYR autographs is not worth fifty dollars. 387 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: I'm paying you fifty dollars to go to my school. Um. 388 00:21:48,840 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 1: So the way to the way to avoid that is 389 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,560 Speaker 1: some form of group license that's administered by a third party. Uh, 390 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: in pro sports you have the unions who play that role. 391 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: We'd have to figure around an alternative to that in 392 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 1: in in the college model. But that's as long as 393 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: you can ensure some true market measure. And it's a 394 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: group license. I think it makes all the sense in 395 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: the world. So everybody shares in it, and I guess 396 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 1: theoretically equally, but perhaps not. It doesn't have to be equal. 397 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you can. You can, you can 398 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: recognize the different values that's produced. But but but I 399 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,919 Speaker 1: wanted to be real, real name, image and likeness value. 400 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:26,640 Speaker 1: I want to break it down a little bit more. 401 00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,360 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to dust my brain cells off. Here 402 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: was it, Mike Grendy? Was it about eleven years ago 403 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,240 Speaker 1: where the gentleman gave the speech and he was mad 404 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 1: during this press conference. I'm an adult, I'm a forty 405 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: year old man. Come at me. And what was going 406 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 1: down was some in the newspaper. I guess there was 407 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 1: something derogatory about the students play. What I want to 408 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:55,440 Speaker 1: bring up is, look, that's a reminder again, these are students. 409 00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 1: These are young men trying to learn this game. And 410 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of times people forget this isn't 411 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,200 Speaker 1: the National Football League, now, this is this is collegiate football. 412 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more, um. But unfortunately we keep we 413 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: keep hurting ourselves in that regard every time we as 414 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: as members of college athletics provide the public with examples 415 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 1: where we don't value the education, where we haven't done 416 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: what we should do to ensure that it's a student 417 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: university relationship. Um. Either because in the case of the 418 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,199 Speaker 1: federal prosecution in New York, you see all of this 419 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: money changing hands, or we get examples where students aren't students, 420 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: where athletes aren't students. That undermines that notion, and so 421 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 1: we hurt ourselves. But I couldn't agree more. The vast 422 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,160 Speaker 1: majority of these young men, in the case of football, 423 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: and young men and women across our sports, this is 424 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: central to their edge vacational experience. The value they get 425 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: is enormous, and they ought not be subject just because 426 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: they choose that that advocation while they in college to 427 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: get the sort of abuse that too often is directed 428 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: at them. My thirteen year old senate we were having 429 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,119 Speaker 1: this talk about this. He says, well, what's the difference 430 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: between college football and the NFL. If I'm watching a 431 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: collegiate football game and a wide receiver drops the ball, 432 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 1: I say, dank, he dropped the ball. If Adell Beckham 433 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: drops the ball, I'm gonna say, damn, he dropped the ball. 434 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: And that's the difference involved in this. Remember it was 435 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,360 Speaker 1: legalized sports betting now in New Jersey. There's a mother 436 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: four letter words being used when college. I was saying 437 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: that during the Jets game, by the way. But that's 438 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: the point is that the again these are here was 439 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: a young man, some just years old. Yeah, they absolutely 440 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: and and you know besides that, there they're going back 441 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:02,239 Speaker 1: to a dorm at the end of practice in our 442 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: In our case, you live in a residence hall for 443 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: three years. Here, you are a student. You're tending the 444 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: same classes they're in. They're in a special track educational 445 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 1: track for you because you're an athlete. So you're subjected 446 00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 1: to all those same pressures and demands any student is. 447 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: And and to to sort of heap this on you 448 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: because you know you've got to you've got a skill 449 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,000 Speaker 1: you're not you know, yours isn't applied to the band, 450 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 1: It's applied to the team. Um that that that really 451 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,159 Speaker 1: is unfair, and I worry enormously about the consequences of 452 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: gambling in this regard. Going back to your residence hall 453 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: and your roommate just lost a thousand bucks because you 454 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: missed the field goal. That's a bad dynamic. So um 455 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: I I worry a lot about what legalized gamblan he's 456 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: going to do in the college environment. All right, and Jack, 457 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,160 Speaker 1: please let's end on this. Uh, you have a renovated stadium. 458 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 1: Tell me all the things now you can do to 459 00:25:57,200 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 1: ring a nickel out of that stadium, because I mean, 460 00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,440 Speaker 1: the real estate is central to the revenue in pro 461 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:06,479 Speaker 1: sports and college sports, but Notre Dame Stadium isn't just 462 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: any other stadium. Well, thank you for asking that question, 463 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: because it's the thing I love to talk about most. 464 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: You know, ours is a unique experience. You still will 465 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,159 Speaker 1: not see a commercial sign when you watch football, and 466 00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: Notre Dame you won't see an advertisement on the video board. 467 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 1: And we just invested four million dollars in it. What 468 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 1: we invested in was attaching to this great facility, the 469 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,680 Speaker 1: departments of anthropology and psychology, our music department, our new 470 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: media center, our student recreation center, career services, a student union, 471 00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,199 Speaker 1: that's what's different about the stadium and and that's what 472 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: we want athletics to be here at Notre Dame. We 473 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be fully integrated into the university, and this 474 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 1: stadium now provides I think the most compelling symbol of 475 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,840 Speaker 1: that commitment that exists in America today. Zax Warbik, who 476 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: is the director of Athletics at the University of Notre Dame. 477 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm saying it right now from this point forward, and 478 00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: I old this guy a beer at the barn after that, 479 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: by the way, and want to add to everybody out there, 480 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: you can hear all of the Notre Dame games Saturdays 481 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,680 Speaker 1: on Bloomberg Radio on our New York station A M. 482 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119 Speaker 1: Eleven three. Oh all right, it's great to be with you. Thanks, 483 00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: thank you. Takeaways. It was something Jack said right at 484 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: the end of our interview, and he was talking about 485 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: college athletes and now with sports bettings spreading all across 486 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 1: the nation, he doesn't like it, doesn't like it one 487 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,159 Speaker 1: bit because he's worried about the athletes. And I remember 488 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: the line on the line that got to you, and 489 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,600 Speaker 1: we didn't discuss this when he said, what is it 490 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,239 Speaker 1: going to be like when the kid has to go 491 00:27:48,280 --> 00:27:50,800 Speaker 1: back to his dorm and somebody lost a thousand dollars 492 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: because he missed a kicker about the past. Yeah, that's 493 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:56,720 Speaker 1: a real concern my takeaway, And this was just sort 494 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: of a little line in there that could get lost 495 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: by people. But in the new media world of O 496 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,760 Speaker 1: T T of on your iPhone, Jack said he's going 497 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: to allow his athletes to use licensed stuff, and that's 498 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: video of game footage. You know, people are paying for 499 00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,679 Speaker 1: that and they'll have to come to some agreement, but 500 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:21,880 Speaker 1: he wants his athletes to be able to use that 501 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,040 Speaker 1: licensed footage on their social feeds. So if I'm the 502 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,439 Speaker 1: quarterback at Notre Dame, I want to be able to 503 00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: show my highlights from the game on my Instagram. I 504 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: haven't seen no pro league allows that. That is not 505 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: an everyday thing. It would be very interesting to see 506 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: if the rights holders ALLAH NBC say okay without charge 507 00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 1: for members of the team to utilize those rights. That 508 00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna be very interesting because it really is something 509 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: that will benefit the school, benefit the players in the 510 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: long run. Because as he said, now, of course Lebron's 511 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: the huge example, but these these are athletes have their 512 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: own followings are almost their little media businesses in their 513 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: own right, especially in a local market, which is really 514 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: what you have, that fervent fan base. That's where you 515 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: want to drive interest. It feels better to be a 516 00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: number one than number five. I'll wear a number because 517 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 1: of Mike. We have a chance to go for three 518 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: in a row, good numbers in a good time. When 519 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: I first started wearing the number, I would just happy 520 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: and floomberg. Business of sports. The number of the week. Time. 521 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,840 Speaker 1: Now for the number of the week. Now we again, 522 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: you don't know, we're not to go. We did not discuss. Okay, 523 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: here we go ten, ten, wrong. That's it shows over, 524 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: it's it shows it. It gives you a little glimpse 525 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 1: into how old we are. Did I know exactly what 526 00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: you're talking about. I'm gonna say a strong ten, A 527 00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: strong ten. Now. If I had another number two it 528 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,400 Speaker 1: you might get it. Ten and none. Now, I got 529 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 1: black jack in my head. I'm sticking ten. I got 530 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 1: ten and nine. I'm I'm sticking. I got no idea. 531 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: What do you want? Ten? Yeah? Jacob de Groan, Oh, okay, 532 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: n l Cy young winner for a team, I mean, God, 533 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 1: bless the Mets. Didn't give him much offense, so, I mean, 534 00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 1: and he pitched did Jim every time he stepped on 535 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: the mound, he was bar I'm with you. The one 536 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: stat I would never and I never really understood the 537 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 1: wins and losses for pictures because of this. Like I 538 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: can give up seven runs a game and still win 539 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: the game. I go five endings, my team scores eight. 540 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: I win. What I care about if if I'm looking 541 00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: at pictures is earn runs, strikeouts, two walks. That's what matters. 542 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: Those are the defining numbers for pictures. I don't care 543 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: if he gets twenty eight wins or twelve. A guy, 544 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,040 Speaker 1: give me a twenty eight wins with an r A 545 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: of seven. No, I mean, is that likely to happen? No, 546 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: could it happen? Yes? Give me the guy who goes 547 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: out there and don't give up any runs and hits 548 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,840 Speaker 1: and walk Yeah. That's one point, right, I mean, he 549 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,040 Speaker 1: was the best picture in the National Yeah. And and 550 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: honors to Blake Snow by the way for the A. L. S. 551 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: Young Award. You've been listening to Bloomberg Business of Sports. 552 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: We're here each and every week at the same time 553 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: plus online as an Apple podcast. 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