WEBVTT - Back In The Classroom with Matthew Morrison

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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<v Speaker 2>And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to You, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what you really miss podcast. Mister Shoe. We got him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's here. We finally got him. He's here, he's here,

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<v Speaker 2>locked and loaded. We have a long talk and it's great.

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<v Speaker 2>It was just so nice to catch up. You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the best part of this, isn't it, of course

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<v Speaker 2>a reunion. It is genuinely like I got you, now

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<v Speaker 2>get You've got you in my grasp just a FaceTime

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<v Speaker 2>and then we're recording it exactly a really great interview. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm honest and wonderful. So we'll let you just listen

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<v Speaker 2>to it now and you don't have to listen to

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<v Speaker 2>our voices anymore. Well, kind of hi, friends, it's good

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<v Speaker 2>to see you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so good to see you.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you look wealthy. I'm looking at you. You

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<v Speaker 2>look rested, and I feel like and you look rested.

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<v Speaker 2>You look that's like wealth You look good.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah good, I like that, you know. I feel I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel yeah, I do feel wealthy. I feel rested.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know about rested, but like my heart is happy.

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<v Speaker 1>I my family's great. Yeah, I feel really, really good.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you for noticing.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's so nice to see you. Thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>hanging with us clowns.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks for inviting me. I didn't even invited me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was gonna say, like, it's about timey inviting, but you

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<v Speaker 1>have invited me before and I.

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<v Speaker 2>Just have a few times. No, that's okay. It's hard

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<v Speaker 2>to get a hold of you, but you always respond,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so nice. And before we get into the

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<v Speaker 2>glee of it all, you're doing Chicago in Japan and

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<v Speaker 2>did the whole announcement in Japanese, which was mind blowing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really impressive. I saw it. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>of course he did. Like I was shocked, and also

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<v Speaker 2>it was zero person shocked. At the same time, I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, if anybody can figure this out.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh, you know, I thought to make a bigger impact

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of ticket sales, especially when like you're in

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<v Speaker 1>a culture that they do speak English a lot there,

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<v Speaker 1>but there's you know, a predominant probably most of them

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<v Speaker 1>don't speak English. So yeah, I wanted to speak to

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<v Speaker 1>the people. So I called my friend Charlie Okumura who

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<v Speaker 1>lives in Tokyo, and him and his wife kind of

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<v Speaker 1>put I said what I wanted to say, and they

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like put it together for me. I sent

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<v Speaker 1>it back to them and they're like, no, this is

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<v Speaker 1>what you can. They basically gave me work for a word,

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<v Speaker 1>like how to pronounce it and stuff, and so it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was very convincing. I feel I thought you were going

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<v Speaker 2>to say like, oh, yeah, I've been learning, I've been

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<v Speaker 2>learning the language, and like I've been working on it,

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<v Speaker 2>because it was very good. I mean from what I

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<v Speaker 2>the little we know, but well, yeah, I mean but awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank you. I mean, you know, I love language,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing that light in the Piazza show on Broadway,

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<v Speaker 1>like how to speak how to speak Italian. I just

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<v Speaker 1>love immerse myself in language is such a beautiful challenge.

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<v Speaker 1>But then you get to challenge yourself in trouble when

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have a good accent and you start can

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<v Speaker 1>speak a few words. Then people just start like talking

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<v Speaker 1>to you like yes, sorry, sorry, Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Have you spent a lot of time in Japan before?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I have. Actually I do a lot of concerts

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<v Speaker 1>in Japan. Yeah, it's been. It's it's a lovely market

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<v Speaker 1>for me, I think for all of us. I think,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Glee was well, very well received over there,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, that opened up a lot of places

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<v Speaker 1>to go and to perform. So I'm gonna be doing

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<v Speaker 1>that show. And for me, that show is kind of

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<v Speaker 1>to see where I'm at in terms of live performances again,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's been a while and since twenty fifteen. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so for me, it's just to kind of say, like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I wanted to give myself a big break

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, be there for this, you know, pivotal

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<v Speaker 1>time in my children's lives. But for right now, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel this call to go back to the stage, and

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't want to jump right into a Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>show and be like, oh, this is a lot. So

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it would be a good, like kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stepping stone to yeah, see how I feel about it.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a feeling we know what that's going to

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<v Speaker 2>be for you, but I do. I do love it.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's smart. It's a smart move. But that's awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very exciting. Okay, mister Shoe, it's been a while

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<v Speaker 2>and everybody's been asking for you, and so we just

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<v Speaker 2>I think we have to talk about Glee.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. I just want to preface this my memory is horrible,

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<v Speaker 1>and you might spark some memories. I'll be like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>yeah and stuff, but yeah, yeah, I am. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>interested to where this conversation is going to go.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, yes, I think it's important for everyone listening,

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<v Speaker 2>mostly for us because our memories are also not good.

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<v Speaker 2>So it makes me feel seen.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk about this all the time, you know, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 2>We're reminded, but it's it's so don't feel bad if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't remember things because we do not I won't. Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>we're watching things like that. We're into season three now

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<v Speaker 2>and there have been full scenes for the first time

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<v Speaker 2>where like I am speaking or singing and I have

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<v Speaker 2>no recollection of being there zero and it is.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw when that started kicking in for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like every day is the same. We don't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on anymore, and you're just like shooting once

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<v Speaker 2>like yeah, yes, yes, have you watched any Glee since

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<v Speaker 2>you since we finished?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I haven't.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm still triggered by don't Believing though for sure

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<v Speaker 1>forever since the end of time? Uh No, but I haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm actually waiting my son, Reveel, who's six years old

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<v Speaker 1>now having the experience of seeing me being recognized in him,

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<v Speaker 1>kind of knowing me as a famous person. It's so weird.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so I mean, I hate it. I hate it

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<v Speaker 1>because it's like, you know, I want you to love

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<v Speaker 1>me for me as as your papa. You know, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want you to be influenced by any these and

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<v Speaker 1>that's kind of like why I wanted to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of Los Angeles as well. So it's it's it's weird

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<v Speaker 1>kind of navigating that as a parent. But it's still,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, as you all know, it's probably it's still

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<v Speaker 1>very much a part of people's stores and upbringings and

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<v Speaker 1>the zeitgeist and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you recognized a lot more? Because I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>when I leave LA, I'm recognized way more than I

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<v Speaker 2>am with in LA. People actually come up to me.

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<v Speaker 2>Here everyone's you know, sort of jaded or used to

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<v Speaker 2>seeing people who are on TV, So like, does it

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<v Speaker 2>happen I feel like it must happen to you a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more there.

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<v Speaker 1>Where I live, it it actually doesn't. Everyone's very respectful.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see like the acknowledgment of it, but rarely

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<v Speaker 1>do the people come up and say anything to me.

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<v Speaker 1>It's usually the most I get it is overseas. H.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what that is, but yeah, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>mostly overseas, but here like small town. It's cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That's nice. Now, I can't remember we watched the pilot

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<v Speaker 2>together back in the day. You we came over Lee

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<v Speaker 2>and I and we all watched it together in between

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<v Speaker 2>waiting to be picked up and shooting the pilot. Can

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<v Speaker 2>you remember, though, you guys are watched shooters. Yeah, but

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember. Did you have what was your audition

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<v Speaker 2>process like or did you just get offered?

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<v Speaker 1>No? I definitely didn't get offered the role. So my

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<v Speaker 1>audition process was just a regular audition. I was doing

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<v Speaker 1>so specific on Broadway at the time, and I just

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<v Speaker 1>got an audition. I went in the room to put

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<v Speaker 1>myself on tape, and so they would send all the

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<v Speaker 1>tapes to LA and I sang on the straight relive

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<v Speaker 1>of course, my go to song, and then I did

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<v Speaker 1>the scenes and from there, I you know, Ryan and

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<v Speaker 1>Brad and Ian and some other producers. They came to

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<v Speaker 1>New York to have like the New York audition. I

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<v Speaker 1>think I was doing a play called Naked Girl in

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<v Speaker 1>the Appian way and it was this. The woman playing

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<v Speaker 1>my mother in the show was this brilliant actress named

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Clayburg and she was nominated for oscars and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, but she took a long hiatus

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<v Speaker 1>to raise her kids. I don't know if you know

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<v Speaker 1>Lily Rabe is one of her daughter. She's a she's phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 1>She's she's passed now, but she's She was someone who

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<v Speaker 1>was like really like the figure of my life. But

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<v Speaker 1>she had worked closely. I forget what she and Ran did,

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<v Speaker 1>but I can't even she said the story, but she said,

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<v Speaker 1>when you go into the audition, just flirt with Ryan.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, what me, And She's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just just just flirt, just just be you, just be flirty.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that was my like going in. I just

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<v Speaker 1>felt like I'm just gonna, like, you know, just like

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<v Speaker 1>give him compliments, you know, and stuff and it and

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<v Speaker 1>it totally worked. He was like he was just like

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<v Speaker 1>loving what I was doing. Uh yeah, he was like

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<v Speaker 1>I remember one thing, he complimented my shoes. He was

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<v Speaker 1>really my shoes, like we're like these motorcycle boots or something.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, when I said, oh, those are.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a big compliment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't think he's ever called me on anything

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<v Speaker 1>else in my life, but but the boots were a

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<v Speaker 1>big part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then from that AUDI, I had a really good

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<v Speaker 1>feeling about about it, and they flew me. I think

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<v Speaker 1>I was the only one that flew in from New

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<v Speaker 1>York for this for the network test. And I remember

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<v Speaker 1>before I went into the room, you know, I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of my agent was kind of saying that I was

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<v Speaker 1>the guy, but you never want to know that at

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<v Speaker 1>the time. It's some pressure on you. But Ryan came

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<v Speaker 1>and had a conversation with me before I tested, and

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<v Speaker 1>he said, this is yours to lose. He's like, he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we all want you, but this is yours to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't know if that was exactly the exact phrasing,

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<v Speaker 1>but that I was the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>Just don't get up because we want you to yea.

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<v Speaker 1>And I I believe I was shaking, but I I,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I have a lot of obviously live performance experience,

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<v Speaker 1>so I went in there. I felt pretty good about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh, but it been in my head. I kind

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<v Speaker 1>of I remember saying, I bet you he's saying this

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<v Speaker 1>to every person who's auditioned for this part. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think there was two other guys in there as well.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's how I tricked myself to be he's just smart.

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<v Speaker 2>Smart.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, then I auditioned, I went, oh, oh, so

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I think you know the story. But between

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<v Speaker 1>my first audition and that network test, I learned how

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<v Speaker 1>to play some over the rainbow in the mm hm

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<v Speaker 1>that was that was kind of like my new audition song.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh and and of course that didn't help them. My

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<v Speaker 1>fingers were like cold, my oh.

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<v Speaker 2>God, that was another challenge to it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't really set myself up but but but it

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<v Speaker 1>was but it was right and then I went down

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<v Speaker 1>I remember going down the parking garage at I think

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<v Speaker 1>it was at Disney the Words where the uh the

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<v Speaker 1>test was and then uh my agent called me and

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<v Speaker 1>I got it like right away.

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<v Speaker 2>Whoa that was quick?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, thank god. It was like the waiting is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think mine took like two hours to hear and

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<v Speaker 2>it was two hours it was. Yeah, mine was like

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<v Speaker 2>ten minutes because they had to get in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>the other person to tell them they didn't get it.

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<v Speaker 2>First I was with him. I was with him, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>with the other person, yes, because we were all flying

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<v Speaker 2>back to New York. So who it was, I'll text

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<v Speaker 2>you right now. Yeah. What's crazy is is he's so

0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:39.840
<v Speaker 2>so talented. I'm sure working so much more chalm like

0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.280
<v Speaker 2>it was. It was a full because now he's like

0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:47.920
<v Speaker 2>doing he's got his own journey exactly, exactly. Yeah, he's

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<v Speaker 2>got his own journey. Okay, okay, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was that was basically it. And then uh

0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:57.040
<v Speaker 1>and then there was like a while to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>we actually started shooting it, and I remember it was

0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:01.520
<v Speaker 1>it was challenging for me because yeah, I wasn't South

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<v Speaker 1>Pacific and I had to get out of the show.

0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.439
<v Speaker 1>I had to ask the producers to let me out

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<v Speaker 1>to the show to shoot the pilt, which was a month.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It was amazing, you know, Lincoln Center, they were so incresible.

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<v Speaker 2>So nice, I got it. Some people have never let

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<v Speaker 2>you out though, Like I was also in Spring Awakening

0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:24.040
<v Speaker 2>at the time, and thankfully Jim Carnahan, who cast it,

0:13:24.120 --> 0:13:27.080
<v Speaker 2>was casting Spring on this side, so or it was

0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:31.520
<v Speaker 2>like so they were all includes about it. But that's

0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:35.319
<v Speaker 2>lucky us. Few you also were, you were twenty nine

0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.000
<v Speaker 2>when you got it because you turned thirty right at

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<v Speaker 2>like the last day, the last day of the pilot,

0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:43.079
<v Speaker 2>which is crazy to think you're basically right where we

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<v Speaker 2>are now, Like that is mind blowing. Like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know I was twenty, but you because I think you

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<v Speaker 2>played our teacher. I automatically looked at you like you

0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.480
<v Speaker 2>were like you were, yes, like you were at least

0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty years older than me, right, not that like we

0:14:03.720 --> 0:14:07.040
<v Speaker 2>all treat each other as equals, like we're all around

0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the same age. But it felt like I looked up

0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:12.120
<v Speaker 2>to you in that way, like you and you are

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<v Speaker 2>my elder. I have to like follow you. That's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm five years older now than you were when you

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<v Speaker 2>started the show. I huh, I'm going to go. You

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<v Speaker 2>guys carry on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that makes you feel better. I'm fifteen years older

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<v Speaker 1>than that day.

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<v Speaker 2>So look at you. You got a family smashing it.

0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.840
<v Speaker 2>We had Ryan on this show and he said that

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<v Speaker 2>the role of mister Shoe was originally written with Justin Turner.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you know that?

0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:58.800
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. No, I never knew that piece

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<v Speaker 1>of information.

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<v Speaker 2>So we all found that up together. Yeah, yeah, did

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<v Speaker 2>you think that was true?

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<v Speaker 1>Or was that like like he wanted to like to get.

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<v Speaker 2>The reverse engineered that Maybe no, but I would believe that.

0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I mean, he was hot at the time. But how

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<v Speaker 1>old was he? Well, yeah, I guess he and I

0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.400
<v Speaker 1>are kind of He's like a couple of years younger

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<v Speaker 1>than me.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but and look, you guys are like, you know,

0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:26.240
<v Speaker 2>similar types. Like it would make you know, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think the move to like not go with Justin Timberlake

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<v Speaker 2>was like or else Clee would have never been what

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's that's a great point.

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<v Speaker 1>In Jenna, like because it was you know, the show

0:15:37.680 --> 0:15:39.640
<v Speaker 1>was because nobody knew who any of us were.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, you had just In there would have

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<v Speaker 2>been like the Justin show, you know, It's just it

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<v Speaker 2>would have been a totally different vibe.

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<v Speaker 1>And then to think about like what we went through

0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.880
<v Speaker 1>on that show and how the trajectory of his career

0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:54.720
<v Speaker 1>would have changed, like we would we wouldn't have known

0:15:54.760 --> 0:15:58.200
<v Speaker 1>the Justin we know today been able to put out

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<v Speaker 1>all you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know You're So album. So that's interesting too, right, Lucky

0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.440
<v Speaker 2>for us it was, you you know, like it would

0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.360
<v Speaker 2>have been such a different I can't imagine the show

0:16:08.400 --> 0:16:10.880
<v Speaker 2>without anybody that was I'm sure everybody says that when

0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.760
<v Speaker 2>they do their projects or whatever, but like it all

0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.320
<v Speaker 2>just we know it worked. Like you can't go back

0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:18.680
<v Speaker 2>and be like, oh, what if this person did like

0:16:18.680 --> 0:16:22.280
<v Speaker 2>well and it worked exactly became like phenomenon that I

0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:25.240
<v Speaker 2>did with all of those pieces that were in it,

0:16:25.400 --> 0:16:28.600
<v Speaker 2>and if one person was not there, especially you, you

0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:31.720
<v Speaker 2>were like the anchor of that whole. Yeah, I mean

0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.400
<v Speaker 2>in so many ways, like it went beyond just you

0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.720
<v Speaker 2>being mister Shoe. It was like you were the sort

0:16:38.760 --> 0:16:40.880
<v Speaker 2>of like adult in the room. To us.

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<v Speaker 1>Always say that because I, you know, knowing what I

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<v Speaker 1>know now about television and like being number one on

0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the call sheet and like the leadership role that you

0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:55.680
<v Speaker 1>would want that person to have. I feel like I

0:16:55.920 --> 0:17:00.240
<v Speaker 1>let people down because I didn't I didn't know any

0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.120
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff back then and I didn't know what

0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.119
<v Speaker 1>it meant to be. But at the same time, like

0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:09.280
<v Speaker 1>there was so many egos in that in that you

0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.760
<v Speaker 1>know world that I don't feel like stepping in and

0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.560
<v Speaker 1>trying to lead the company in a positive way would

0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:21.320
<v Speaker 1>have been very beneficial to anyone, because you know, there

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.480
<v Speaker 1>they were like fighting back against that. But but yeah,

0:17:25.600 --> 0:17:28.000
<v Speaker 1>I think if I was going into this now, I

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<v Speaker 1>think I would have done things a little differently.

0:17:30.840 --> 0:17:35.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I don't think you. I mean I didn't

0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.280
<v Speaker 2>feel it down by you. And also because you were

0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:42.959
<v Speaker 2>in the adult role, which was a little bit different,

0:17:43.080 --> 0:17:46.280
<v Speaker 2>like within the group, like Corey did take on that

0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.800
<v Speaker 2>role in a way where you were kind of seen

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<v Speaker 2>as like the adult and kind of like a father figure,

0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.040
<v Speaker 2>if you will. I mean, it's weird to say that

0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:02.200
<v Speaker 2>now because we know we're all like similar, very close

0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.240
<v Speaker 2>in age, but you know, like a father figure and age,

0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.679
<v Speaker 2>and you kind of had your like your own trajectory

0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.159
<v Speaker 2>and journey on the show, and then you know, we

0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.120
<v Speaker 2>had us on the other side of the room and

0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.480
<v Speaker 2>we're going through a completely similar and yet different experience,

0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.600
<v Speaker 2>And so I think you're right, like it maybe not

0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:25.000
<v Speaker 2>would have not been beneficial in a way that was

0:18:25.040 --> 0:18:27.199
<v Speaker 2>like is he preaching at us? Is he talking? You know,

0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:31.680
<v Speaker 2>like there was some inequality that kind of Corey had

0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:35.400
<v Speaker 2>with us that also helps in him leading by example

0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 2>and leading in the ways that he did. But I

0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.000
<v Speaker 2>felt like you're still a leader when you stepped in

0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.960
<v Speaker 2>the room, like there was an energy that like we

0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:47.880
<v Speaker 2>looked to you on an off screen But I'm just curious,

0:18:47.960 --> 0:18:52.280
<v Speaker 2>like looking back on your experience now the show and

0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:56.320
<v Speaker 2>being the adult, like what was that like for you

0:18:56.600 --> 0:18:59.560
<v Speaker 2>And do you have different reflections on it now being

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<v Speaker 2>so from it.

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<v Speaker 1>On being the adult in the show or just being

0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:05.720
<v Speaker 1>on the show in general.

0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I think being on the show in general, well, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, like like spitball. And since we're talking about this,

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like in the beginning and the way the

0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:22.000
<v Speaker 1>show was kind of pitched to me was that it

0:19:22.200 --> 0:19:26.760
<v Speaker 1>was it was kind of mister Schuster's journey and like

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<v Speaker 1>like it was like in the first few seasons, it

0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:31.479
<v Speaker 1>was it was a lot more adults, you know, and

0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:34.879
<v Speaker 1>then the shows the show changed to be something else.

0:19:37.040 --> 0:19:41.760
<v Speaker 1>But for me, I felt like I wanted to be

0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:45.840
<v Speaker 1>involved with with everyone, and you know, we all would

0:19:45.880 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 1>sit in video village. We all had like you know,

0:19:48.080 --> 0:19:50.959
<v Speaker 1>it was a million cast chairs all the time. But

0:19:51.040 --> 0:19:56.679
<v Speaker 1>then slowly, I just I'm kind of like I'm an

0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:00.160
<v Speaker 1>only child. I like my alone time. I slowly, as

0:20:00.160 --> 0:20:04.959
<v Speaker 1>you all know, started like to to distance myself from

0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.560
<v Speaker 1>the kids, and you know, I would always be in

0:20:07.600 --> 0:20:10.159
<v Speaker 1>mister Shoe's office and that's where you are, like in

0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:12.639
<v Speaker 1>my own kind of space. And I was also you know,

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:14.840
<v Speaker 1>I was trying to do other stuff. I mean, like Chris,

0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:17.760
<v Speaker 1>you know, he was writing books and books while he

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:23.280
<v Speaker 1>was doing there. I was going off every like two weekends,

0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.159
<v Speaker 1>like going off doing my solo concerts, and you know,

0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:32.600
<v Speaker 1>it was I don't know, I was just stressed. God that, like,

0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.960
<v Speaker 1>our bodies are not designed to go through that kind

0:20:34.960 --> 0:20:37.320
<v Speaker 1>of pressure. I mean, we had a full time job,

0:20:37.760 --> 0:20:40.400
<v Speaker 1>more than a full time job, and then our job

0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:43.240
<v Speaker 1>was promoting the show, and on top of that, trying

0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:45.200
<v Speaker 1>to get one foot in front of the other and

0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:48.879
<v Speaker 1>your your own reality and your own life and you know,

0:20:49.880 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>your relationship with yourself, with your friends, those are kind

0:20:53.800 --> 0:20:56.240
<v Speaker 1>of and then you know, going off and do these

0:20:56.240 --> 0:20:59.920
<v Speaker 1>concerts on the weekend, and then I don't know, I

0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.960
<v Speaker 1>all the energy, the positive energy that was put into

0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:08.639
<v Speaker 1>us from that show was so beautiful, and I wanted

0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:11.560
<v Speaker 1>to give that back to the people because I so

0:21:11.640 --> 0:21:15.080
<v Speaker 1>appreciated like them and fans and wanted to kind of

0:21:15.119 --> 0:21:17.199
<v Speaker 1>live in that and to be you know, filled with

0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>gratitude for that. But I don't know, And then there

0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:22.520
<v Speaker 1>was all this other stuff too, you have, like these

0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 1>news speeds coming out like bashing the way you're playing

0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:28.760
<v Speaker 1>your character, or you know, people trying to tear you down,

0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:32.080
<v Speaker 1>and you know, that got interesting, and I found myself

0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:37.159
<v Speaker 1>like building this armor, you know, and trying.

0:21:36.920 --> 0:21:38.040
<v Speaker 3>To to.

0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.600
<v Speaker 1>But not but trying to protect myself and not completely

0:21:42.600 --> 0:21:46.159
<v Speaker 1>shutting out my friends and family and everyone, and and

0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:48.959
<v Speaker 1>all of this has had a huge impact on my life. Oh,

0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 1>some super high highs, but also some really devastating lows.

0:21:53.880 --> 0:21:55.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, something I'd never really talked about but on

0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.080
<v Speaker 1>the show was like I really like was so stressed,

0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:01.960
<v Speaker 1>like broke into like the craziest psoriasis.

0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:05.800
<v Speaker 2>That I know, but it was it was like I

0:22:05.800 --> 0:22:08.720
<v Speaker 2>didn't know who Wow, Yeah, I.

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:13.919
<v Speaker 1>Think it was just everything building up and and for

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.719
<v Speaker 1>me that was just like the physical manifestation of just

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.840
<v Speaker 1>like what I was feeling I think inside. And it

0:22:20.880 --> 0:22:22.920
<v Speaker 1>got to the point. I remember there was a few

0:22:22.960 --> 0:22:27.520
<v Speaker 1>episodes in particular, like I remember watching it back at

0:22:27.520 --> 0:22:29.840
<v Speaker 1>the time and being like, oh my god, like they

0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.439
<v Speaker 1>had to do so much. I remember, because it was

0:22:32.480 --> 0:22:34.760
<v Speaker 1>like the siris was everywhere in my body but my

0:22:34.840 --> 0:22:37.639
<v Speaker 1>face was okay, but then it slowly started coming to

0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:40.960
<v Speaker 1>my ears and then on my eyelids, and then Kelly Mitchell,

0:22:41.400 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 1>the makeup artist. You know, she she did her best

0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:46.960
<v Speaker 1>to like cover it up, but at the end of

0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 1>every day she had to take it all off and

0:22:48.840 --> 0:22:54.320
<v Speaker 1>like skin would come off the backup so painful and

0:22:54.480 --> 0:22:56.560
<v Speaker 1>oh gos it makes me like get emotional. It was

0:22:56.600 --> 0:23:01.560
<v Speaker 1>just it was like, so, yeah, it was really challenging. Wow,

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:06.960
<v Speaker 1>Like it was like I loved the experience and I

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:09.080
<v Speaker 1>appreciate it for what it was, but it was it was.

0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:11.760
<v Speaker 1>It was really challenging. It was hard to put our

0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>bodies through, you know, sixteen hours a day and then

0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.000
<v Speaker 1>you know all the other stuff we had to do

0:23:16.080 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 1>on top of it. And not like woe is me

0:23:18.359 --> 0:23:22.679
<v Speaker 1>because it was so totally big opportunity, but but yeah,

0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>we were all there. It was it was like it

0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:26.359
<v Speaker 1>was like a war. You know.

0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:29.880
<v Speaker 2>I think that's something like I never thought about from

0:23:29.960 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 2>your perspective, even though we are like not too far

0:23:32.600 --> 0:23:36.320
<v Speaker 2>off in age for me to you at least that

0:23:36.560 --> 0:23:39.719
<v Speaker 2>decade of lived experience and like you have worked a lot,

0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>you've been on stage, you are able to view the

0:23:43.359 --> 0:23:46.639
<v Speaker 2>success or like what it means, the value of it,

0:23:46.760 --> 0:23:50.440
<v Speaker 2>the pressure of being number one on the call sheet.

0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I your perspective was probably so much different than ours

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:56.399
<v Speaker 2>in a way because we were sort of like these

0:23:56.440 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 2>asshole kids who were like, this show is super successful,

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.240
<v Speaker 2>we're all super famous, and like this is hard. Where

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:08.200
<v Speaker 2>you saying like you did sort of like create those

0:24:09.400 --> 0:24:12.160
<v Speaker 2>you created that alone time, that actual space for yourself

0:24:12.800 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 2>to try to like get your head right to also

0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 2>then capitalize on what's happening on the weekends and going

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:23.560
<v Speaker 2>to these concerts. It's such like a thirties mindset of

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:27.199
<v Speaker 2>let me value this experience for what it is and

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 2>also the meaningfulness of it, retain and like take on

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.119
<v Speaker 2>that responsibility of the mantle of what this is and

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:35.879
<v Speaker 2>what it means to me and what it means to people.

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:41.400
<v Speaker 2>And I don't think that was something that we necessarily

0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 2>I think we did to an extent to the best

0:24:43.600 --> 0:24:47.920
<v Speaker 2>of our abilities. But hearing you say that, I do

0:24:47.960 --> 0:24:53.280
<v Speaker 2>think you probably understood it in such I don't know,

0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.160
<v Speaker 2>a deeper way than we were able to at the time.

0:24:56.600 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>And like seeing that come out through like the psoriasis,

0:25:01.119 --> 0:25:04.119
<v Speaker 2>and we're because you're always like this, if anyone knows you,

0:25:04.119 --> 0:25:08.840
<v Speaker 2>you're always so calm, so chill, and it's like nothing's

0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:12.639
<v Speaker 2>affecting you. But at the end of the day, like

0:25:13.200 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 2>you are at the top of the sheet and like

0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:21.080
<v Speaker 2>this is it became this gigantic, gigantic thing. So of course,

0:25:21.280 --> 0:25:23.359
<v Speaker 2>and like to get any to get a job period

0:25:23.720 --> 0:25:26.800
<v Speaker 2>in the entertaining business is like a great thing. It's hard,

0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.919
<v Speaker 2>and then you like you end up on this you

0:25:30.960 --> 0:25:34.040
<v Speaker 2>get the job, You get the job, and like you

0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.359
<v Speaker 2>get the part on the job, and it's like you

0:25:36.400 --> 0:25:38.840
<v Speaker 2>originally knew like the show was supposed to be like

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Will's Journey, So it's no wonder that that happened and

0:25:44.840 --> 0:25:48.280
<v Speaker 2>that like you felt that. It's just you know, it's

0:25:48.320 --> 0:25:50.240
<v Speaker 2>interesting to have to look back and like, of course

0:25:50.240 --> 0:25:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I didn't think about what your experience was, like you,

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:55.399
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting you.

0:25:55.440 --> 0:25:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Say that stuff that have hearing you say that brings

0:25:58.280 --> 0:26:04.320
<v Speaker 1>up some other things for me, just like I A, yeah, yeah,

0:26:04.320 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I love the first two seasons because I felt

0:26:08.040 --> 0:26:09.359
<v Speaker 1>like I had so much stuff. I felt like I

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.920
<v Speaker 1>had so much, like just juicy stuff to like get

0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:15.439
<v Speaker 1>like sick my teeth into as an actor, as a singer,

0:26:15.960 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>and then and then uh, then the other seasons it

0:26:20.440 --> 0:26:24.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of became like I was the exposition of the show. Like,

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 1>this is what the show is going to be about

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:28.919
<v Speaker 1>this episode, and this is what we're going to do. Everyone,

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.960
<v Speaker 1>like in my big speech I have in the beginning.

0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 2>We used to laugh about those because you'd come in

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:36.159
<v Speaker 2>it would have a huge dialogue about nothing.

0:26:37.160 --> 0:26:41.040
<v Speaker 1>It could be like connect to it. I was awful

0:26:41.040 --> 0:26:44.879
<v Speaker 1>at memorizing it because I no connection to it. And

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:47.959
<v Speaker 1>then all of you were just not paying attention at

0:26:48.000 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>all and maybe not everyone's stuff.

0:26:52.640 --> 0:26:54.200
<v Speaker 2>And I just like, yeah, it was.

0:26:54.359 --> 0:26:58.840
<v Speaker 1>It was challenging. It was really challenging. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:26:58.880 --> 0:27:00.720
<v Speaker 1>And and and I don't I don't know if you

0:27:01.000 --> 0:27:03.639
<v Speaker 1>two know this, but I I actually was trying to

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 1>get off the show really yeah. In season five, I

0:27:10.320 --> 0:27:14.640
<v Speaker 1>h I asked to be like, be off the show

0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:18.520
<v Speaker 1>because I was just like I'm I'm I'm no longer

0:27:18.560 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 1>being like used and like you know, yeah in the

0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:25.280
<v Speaker 1>way I wanted to and and no disrespect to the show,

0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 1>but I was just like, I was just like I

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I And also we are at a height. I was like,

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:30.119
<v Speaker 1>maybe if I get off the show, I can go

0:27:30.160 --> 0:27:34.239
<v Speaker 1>do something else to a movie or and they they

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:38.000
<v Speaker 1>agreed to let me off the show, and then Corey

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:42.639
<v Speaker 1>passed and then they said they couldn't do it because

0:27:42.680 --> 0:27:45.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, the two main guys on the show.

0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:46.440
<v Speaker 2>Of course.

0:27:46.640 --> 0:27:53.120
<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, So yeah, it was it was interesting, interesting time.

0:27:54.400 --> 0:27:55.520
<v Speaker 2>How did that affect you?

0:27:55.960 --> 0:27:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I obviously I understood. I was like, yeah, I get it,

0:27:59.119 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>and you.

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Know, trying to.

0:28:02.600 --> 0:28:09.920
<v Speaker 1>To reconcile my own you know, wants and selfish needs

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>with the grief of losing an amazing friend. You know,

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:17.359
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of just mixed emotions and stuff. But

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:20.240
<v Speaker 1>but I'm a professional. I showed up, I didn't get

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.160
<v Speaker 1>my job, and it was a good pancrease.

0:28:24.200 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think I think we all felt that

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.919
<v Speaker 2>way at some point in our not that you know,

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:35.720
<v Speaker 2>we were number one on the call sheet and you know,

0:28:35.720 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>we're told this this story is about you. You know,

0:28:38.160 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 2>this show is your journey, but like we all felt underutilized,

0:28:42.320 --> 0:28:46.600
<v Speaker 2>I think at some point in this show, because exactly

0:28:46.960 --> 0:28:51.040
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of a lot of please there's a

0:28:51.080 --> 0:28:53.800
<v Speaker 2>lot of storylines, there's a lot of Yeah, there was

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:58.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of stuff to do, and.

0:28:58.720 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I think I took it or so like

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:04.160
<v Speaker 1>I was bad and that's why my storyline kind of went.

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:06.880
<v Speaker 1>But then I look at the demographic of the what

0:29:06.920 --> 0:29:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the show ended up being. You know, it's like, you know,

0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:09.800
<v Speaker 1>they don't want to see mister shoots.

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:14.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to see so I mean, right, right, is

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.320
<v Speaker 2>that why you secretly have held a grudge against me

0:29:16.360 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>because I started rapping more than you did.

0:29:20.440 --> 0:29:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Didn't even I would pass that torch happily. You know.

0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:28.000
<v Speaker 2>It was like no, no, please, no, I can't do this,

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Like why do we have to wrap? We are not rappers.

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:36.720
<v Speaker 2>This is you were the two last rappers of the crew,

0:29:37.200 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>which is saying a lot.

0:29:39.560 --> 0:29:41.120
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was a one off for me. I

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:42.960
<v Speaker 1>was like, okay, great, you know me too.

0:29:43.840 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, you guys could do it. Though. It's

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.800
<v Speaker 2>like sometimes that is a thing there was sometimes you

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:51.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to show things you could sort of do

0:29:52.840 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 2>because they would just have you do it all the time.

0:29:55.640 --> 0:29:59.200
<v Speaker 2>That's right, Like this is something I can do behind

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the scenes to make people laugh, but this is something

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:04.200
<v Speaker 2>I need to do in front of millions of people.

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>This would be a special talent on my resume that

0:30:09.720 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I never wanted to use.

0:30:11.360 --> 0:30:14.640
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, And I also maybe lied about yes exactly, don't

0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:19.280
<v Speaker 2>make me do exactly hulu hooping.

0:30:19.320 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I definitely.

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. There was the one episode where you did you

0:30:33.120 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 2>pulled out every tool, you did thong song and you

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>were break like you were sliding around. I remember seeing

0:30:40.920 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 2>you that episode where like Emma is talking about getting

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 2>married and you're helping her and you rapped, you sang,

0:30:50.360 --> 0:30:53.960
<v Speaker 2>you did eighteen different styles of dance. You swing, swing,

0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 2>danced with with Jane you did. It was like the

0:30:57.360 --> 0:30:59.600
<v Speaker 2>craziest episode. We were like where was Matt this whole

0:30:59.640 --> 0:31:03.280
<v Speaker 2>episode and you were like in the rehearsal studio because

0:31:03.480 --> 0:31:07.280
<v Speaker 2>you literally were in every number doing something different, like like, oh,

0:31:07.560 --> 0:31:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Matt can do everything, so we're just gonna have to

0:31:10.680 --> 0:31:13.800
<v Speaker 2>do everything in this one episode, which which.

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 1>Was I think worked out for me because I think

0:31:15.200 --> 0:31:20.000
<v Speaker 1>that was my submission episode for These in Golden Globes,

0:31:20.040 --> 0:31:21.840
<v Speaker 1>which I got nominated for, so I think that.

0:31:21.840 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>Was worked right. It works right well. You were being

0:31:25.520 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 2>utilized and you could show all the different things that

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 2>you could do, and that was so cool and really yeah,

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:37.520
<v Speaker 2>really awesome. Do you feel like the armor Do you

0:31:37.560 --> 0:31:40.120
<v Speaker 2>feel like the armor that you put up that you

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 2>created during Glee? I feel I feel that. Do you

0:31:48.720 --> 0:31:54.440
<v Speaker 2>have you had like corrective experiences in the industry. Do

0:31:54.480 --> 0:31:57.920
<v Speaker 2>you feel like you have corrected that or do you

0:31:57.960 --> 0:32:00.440
<v Speaker 2>feel like you've taken that with you and feel more guarded,

0:32:00.640 --> 0:32:03.080
<v Speaker 2>Like what is that like for you now?

0:32:04.120 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>I think I've just recently, in the last couple of years,

0:32:08.640 --> 0:32:11.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of come on the other side of that. And

0:32:12.960 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I think it's thanks to you know, talking to professionals

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:23.960
<v Speaker 1>and doing the work and on myself and finding because

0:32:24.000 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the insecurity has come from a place of

0:32:27.560 --> 0:32:31.640
<v Speaker 1>not enoughness, not feeling like enough. I feel a lot

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:35.240
<v Speaker 1>more self love than I've felt in a long time,

0:32:35.520 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 1>and you know, I feel and also just just experiencing,

0:32:43.160 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>you know, how people come up to you and you

0:32:46.360 --> 0:32:49.280
<v Speaker 1>know this is a big moment for those people, and

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:52.680
<v Speaker 1>it's almost easier to just be like yeah and just

0:32:52.800 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 1>go with it, be nice and cordial for like a

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>couple of seconds, and then be on your way. And

0:32:59.800 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>then instead of being like, oh no, I don't really

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:06.040
<v Speaker 1>feel like taking a picture, and then they feel bad

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.200
<v Speaker 1>about the experience, you feel bad about the experience. So

0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 1>it's just I think, just going through life and learning

0:33:12.160 --> 0:33:15.720
<v Speaker 1>what it's all about. But yeah, I think I think

0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>the armor has definitely gone down. But also with the

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>armor going down, I'm more of a realist about the

0:33:26.400 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 1>situations that I'm putting myself into and knowing what to expect,

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.400
<v Speaker 1>because you know, I've been in since situations where I

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:40.000
<v Speaker 1>just didn't think things through and and it turned out

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:44.120
<v Speaker 1>bad for me. So I think I just need need

0:33:44.160 --> 0:33:47.000
<v Speaker 1>to go into situations a little more prepared for what

0:33:47.120 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm walking into. And I think that goes the same

0:33:49.160 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>thing in life. But I think I do that a

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>lot more.

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 2>You also got to do two really cool things. You

0:33:54.440 --> 0:33:56.680
<v Speaker 2>got to sing one of your own songs on the

0:33:56.720 --> 0:34:00.840
<v Speaker 2>show and you got to direct. How are bost of

0:34:00.840 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 2>those experiences for you? Yeah?

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>Wow, Well, singing one of my own songs on the

0:34:06.240 --> 0:34:12.759
<v Speaker 1>show was really cool, like a really just great experience.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I was just so you know, tied to the music

0:34:16.560 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>I was creating for myself and and and it just

0:34:19.200 --> 0:34:21.759
<v Speaker 1>also testament too because you know, that's the song was

0:34:21.800 --> 0:34:28.160
<v Speaker 1>so personal to me. But the brilliance of the writers

0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:31.399
<v Speaker 1>and how they just incorporated any song into the show

0:34:32.280 --> 0:34:36.399
<v Speaker 1>when it's your song, You're like, oh wow, yeah like that,

0:34:36.640 --> 0:34:37.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, it was it was, it was, It was

0:34:37.920 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 1>really interesting, and directing was a phenomenal opportunity and what

0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>a great experience. And I I think I became a

0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>better actor and a better uh better teammate overall in

0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:02.319
<v Speaker 1>terms of how everything runs and how every cog in

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.399
<v Speaker 1>the machine, every department has its own kind of thing,

0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:07.439
<v Speaker 1>and I had I got to connect with all these

0:35:07.440 --> 0:35:11.080
<v Speaker 1>different departments and and seeing and especially our show because

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>everything was so last minute. Seeing the professionalism of people

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>like when they're under the under pressure like that was

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.120
<v Speaker 1>really incredible to see. I wish I had the full

0:35:23.160 --> 0:35:25.640
<v Speaker 1>experience of it, because you know, a typical director will

0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 1>go in and have like at least a week to prep.

0:35:31.440 --> 0:35:35.520
<v Speaker 1>On our show, we didn't get They're not starring, you know, right, no,

0:35:35.600 --> 0:35:37.400
<v Speaker 1>But then you know a lot of people didn't didn't

0:35:37.440 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 1>get the scripts until like the day of shooting, so

0:35:40.239 --> 0:35:45.040
<v Speaker 1>there was no prep telling it. But the advantage I had, Yeah,

0:35:45.080 --> 0:35:48.840
<v Speaker 1>the advantage I had was I knew all the crew. Everyone,

0:35:48.880 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>I had my back. I felt so supportive even with

0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>the cast, like everyone was just like, how can we

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>help you win? And and yeah, I learned a lot

0:35:58.520 --> 0:36:06.600
<v Speaker 1>about just also writing and because one of the main

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:11.680
<v Speaker 1>are the biggest takeaways was from Ryan when we had

0:36:11.719 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>a meeting before and he said, uh, the biggest part

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>of directing is the transition from the end of a

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 1>scene to the beginning of the next scene and how

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.440
<v Speaker 1>you tie those two together. And that has been just

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:30.360
<v Speaker 1>like instrumental in even just acting of how I do it.

0:36:30.480 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 1>And I'm doing some writing and stuff these days, so

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:38.400
<v Speaker 1>that like just little kidments have really carried through from

0:36:38.280 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>the experience. I don't know if I'd want to do

0:36:41.080 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>it again. I don't know if I was like I

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:47.799
<v Speaker 1>want to be, if I really was going to be

0:36:48.280 --> 0:36:51.640
<v Speaker 1>invested in directing, I would want to, you know, learn

0:36:51.680 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>the lenses and learn the angles, and I want to

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:55.880
<v Speaker 1>be Alfonso. You know.

0:36:56.160 --> 0:36:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So but.

0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.719
<v Speaker 1>That's that's like a whole nother lifetime of you know,

0:37:01.760 --> 0:37:02.200
<v Speaker 1>in the world.

0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.000
<v Speaker 2>Totally yes, Yeah, but you were. I mean, we just

0:37:05.040 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 2>watched that episode one. It was great, and there were

0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 2>you can also see like your stamp on it, or

0:37:12.920 --> 0:37:15.960
<v Speaker 2>there were some extra like pushions and whips of like

0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 2>really funny shit and shot in a way that hadn't

0:37:18.680 --> 0:37:22.920
<v Speaker 2>been done before on the show. And then do you think, Yeah,

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 2>And I've had that conversation with my friends who are

0:37:27.080 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 2>directors too about if I get asked if I want

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.319
<v Speaker 2>to direct, and I see the exact same thing, you

0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:35.919
<v Speaker 2>just said, however, you pick all that shit up along

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the way, right, and you surround yourself with people who

0:37:39.200 --> 0:37:41.040
<v Speaker 2>do know what they're doing, and if you have like

0:37:41.120 --> 0:37:44.719
<v Speaker 2>the vision for it, and all that is to say

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:47.319
<v Speaker 2>that if you you know, don't stop yourself if you

0:37:47.320 --> 0:37:48.759
<v Speaker 2>want to keep doing it, because I think you were

0:37:48.840 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 2>naturally quite good at it, and.

0:37:52.880 --> 0:38:00.279
<v Speaker 1>I think like anything we saw, yeah, like you see,

0:38:00.440 --> 0:38:03.600
<v Speaker 1>like we saw enough bad directors and we saw enough

0:38:03.600 --> 0:38:06.719
<v Speaker 1>great director to be for me to feel like, oh

0:38:06.719 --> 0:38:08.239
<v Speaker 1>I can I can at least be in the middle

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:08.759
<v Speaker 1>of somewhere, you know.

0:38:08.840 --> 0:38:11.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I felt.

0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:14.759
<v Speaker 1>Confident in that and yeah, and like I don't I

0:38:14.760 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to like to my own horn as a director,

0:38:17.520 --> 0:38:19.560
<v Speaker 1>Like there was a lot of hand holding in.

0:38:19.480 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>That experience, I mean, a perfect place to do that. Yeah, yeah,

0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it was.

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 1>That's why I wanted to do it right. It felt

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:34.319
<v Speaker 1>like my back totally. Yeah. But I feel though for

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:38.920
<v Speaker 1>those guest directors that just go into procedural shows and Okay,

0:38:39.440 --> 0:38:41.520
<v Speaker 1>here's everyone who knows each other so well, and.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:46.160
<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to be the captain of the ship. Yet

0:38:46.560 --> 0:38:49.360
<v Speaker 2>you're coming into some on somebody else's ship, you're driving

0:38:49.400 --> 0:38:52.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody else's ship. Basically, you don't know.

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.200
<v Speaker 1>Mister Shuster, you don't know like how I was directed

0:38:54.239 --> 0:38:54.520
<v Speaker 1>to do.

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:59.040
<v Speaker 2>This thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, A good guest director is

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:01.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a very It's a specific skill as a director

0:39:02.200 --> 0:39:06.640
<v Speaker 2>to come in to somebody else's house and be collaborative

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:11.719
<v Speaker 2>yet still be a leader. Yes, walk that tightrope. I

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.160
<v Speaker 2>am in charge, but I'm also respectful of what I

0:39:14.160 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know, and like you all who are here every day,

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:22.480
<v Speaker 2>like that seems like an unwinnable feat. But we we,

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:25.520
<v Speaker 2>like you said, we worked with some great directors who

0:39:25.520 --> 0:39:28.120
<v Speaker 2>were amazing at that. It's amazing to see.

0:39:29.040 --> 0:39:31.600
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I don't know if we were the easiest

0:39:31.640 --> 0:39:32.040
<v Speaker 1>cast to.

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.919
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I'm sure we were not. It's a really nice

0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>way of putting it, Maddie. And there were a lot

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:43.120
<v Speaker 2>of us, and you're adding musical numbers on top of it.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they remember our names. That's like a win

0:39:45.719 --> 0:39:47.839
<v Speaker 2>right there. It's like they called us by our name,

0:39:47.840 --> 0:39:50.840
<v Speaker 2>our first name. That's a lot of people most of

0:39:50.880 --> 0:39:59.359
<v Speaker 2>the time, remember oh gosh, oh my gosh. Ah. Yeah,

0:39:59.600 --> 0:40:04.640
<v Speaker 2>where the this is? After season two when you said

0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:10.560
<v Speaker 2>that you're the adult storyline seemed to dwindle in comparison

0:40:10.600 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>to Actually, so we got questions from fans, and Hitchcock

0:40:16.000 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 2>brought in and he said, how do you feel when

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.760
<v Speaker 2>many of the adult actors on Lee were not featured

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.760
<v Speaker 2>as much? So as his question, that's my own how

0:40:26.280 --> 0:40:31.480
<v Speaker 2>when that actually started to happen in real time? Like,

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:36.359
<v Speaker 2>could you tell there was sort of this shift? Yeah?

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, there was definitely a drop off. I mean it

0:40:40.080 --> 0:40:46.680
<v Speaker 1>was you know, I felt, like I said before, I

0:40:46.920 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 1>felt like, is it something I'm doing that I'm not.

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not showing up and and giving the performances that

0:40:55.000 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>that are worthy of me having more scenes. But I

0:40:59.800 --> 0:41:01.799
<v Speaker 1>knew the audience of the show, and I knew where

0:41:01.800 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>the ship was kind of being directed and and tailored to.

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 1>So that was really short lived. But honestly, I I

0:41:11.680 --> 0:41:15.880
<v Speaker 1>appreciated the time off. I had a lot more time myself,

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>So I was like not mad at it. Right, it

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>was I feel like Glee had its top or its

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>explosion into the into the world, and then slowly I

0:41:27.200 --> 0:41:30.040
<v Speaker 1>think it started to come down off off its you know,

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:31.640
<v Speaker 1>away from the sun.

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.800
<v Speaker 2>And there's a direct correlation. There was less mad and

0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:37.560
<v Speaker 2>there was less success. So maybe that's maybe that's what

0:41:37.640 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 2>it was.

0:41:39.080 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 1>No comment on that one, but no. But I honestly

0:41:45.280 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>and that was like when my relationship with my now

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 1>wife started to kind of intensify. And so for me,

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:57.120
<v Speaker 1>it was it was like the perfect storm was like great.

0:41:56.920 --> 0:42:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Timing and right, yeah, it's not bad at it.

0:42:00.200 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 1>And I was able to go off and do like

0:42:02.000 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 1>more gigs and I even I think I did a

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 1>movie in there somewhere.

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:12.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it was you did. Yeah, you're expecting that's right.

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:16.960
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because for people who don't know, like, you know,

0:42:17.080 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 2>those musical numbers they take like seven hours, you know,

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>on a good day, like it's a seven hour formula.

0:42:22.760 --> 0:42:25.680
<v Speaker 2>You shoot it, and all the different camera angles are

0:42:25.800 --> 0:42:31.600
<v Speaker 2>pretty you know, set in their ways. But when Matt

0:42:31.640 --> 0:42:34.880
<v Speaker 2>was not in the numbers and doing the mister shooting

0:42:34.880 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 2>where he's sitting in the back of the auditorium watching,

0:42:38.280 --> 0:42:41.239
<v Speaker 2>they would call you in, you know, to get ready

0:42:41.400 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and to come in and you know, shoot your stuff.

0:42:45.239 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 2>And sometimes we'd be behind the ca you know, in

0:42:47.480 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 2>front of the camera onto you and sometimes we'd be like, oh,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.200
<v Speaker 2>Matt's here, he's in his trailer, he's been here for

0:42:54.200 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>seven hours, and you just be waiting. Yeah, that is brutal.

0:43:00.560 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Did you just learn like, oh, I mean, like we

0:43:02.760 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 2>all kind of knew, You're like, this might be a

0:43:04.800 --> 0:43:08.040
<v Speaker 2>really long day. I don't need to be here. How

0:43:08.040 --> 0:43:18.840
<v Speaker 2>did you fill your time making albums or not? Right?

0:43:19.800 --> 0:43:20.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god?

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.000
<v Speaker 1>How did I fill my time?

0:43:24.320 --> 0:43:33.520
<v Speaker 4>I don't just I just I became a good napper.

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:35.239
<v Speaker 1>I'm not an Apple at all, but I came and

0:43:35.280 --> 0:43:41.319
<v Speaker 1>became a good napper on that show. I think I

0:43:41.360 --> 0:43:44.440
<v Speaker 1>was playing I was playing music. I had my in

0:43:44.480 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>there and I was I was like, that's when I

0:43:47.200 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 1>really started to kind of get into that instrument. I'm

0:43:50.800 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>looking back, I was like, oh gosh, I wish I

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.760
<v Speaker 1>had filled my time was so much more productive. Like Chris.

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm so envious of Chris, like the way he just

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:00.319
<v Speaker 1>kind of did his back there. But I I do

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>have to say, I'll tell you my longest time waiting

0:44:04.120 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>in the trailer room. Oh god, eighteen hours.

0:44:09.680 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>No, I gotta leave it. Wait, Can I guess the episode?

0:44:13.880 --> 0:44:14.080
<v Speaker 1>Yep?

0:44:16.440 --> 0:44:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Was it Super Bowl?

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:18.400
<v Speaker 4>Yep?

0:44:19.719 --> 0:44:23.080
<v Speaker 1>In Long Beach? You're student stuff in the field and

0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff all day. I waited eighteen hours and then they said, oh,

0:44:27.200 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 1>we don't need you. No, I did it didn't even

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 1>use me.

0:44:33.320 --> 0:44:39.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Oh my god. I think there were

0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>a lot of times like to what Jenna was saying that,

0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I think he was probably waiting not seven hours, but

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:49.640
<v Speaker 2>like twelve on the regular because we'd see you, probably

0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:52.279
<v Speaker 2>for blocking in the morning, and if we had two

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.000
<v Speaker 2>musical numbers or there was like another seat, like you'd

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:56.320
<v Speaker 2>only see at the beginning of it and at the

0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:59.000
<v Speaker 2>end of it, and they like, have you go away,

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 2>and then it would be a full day would happen?

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:06.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Well, I became better at asking to Lee because

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:10.239
<v Speaker 1>I didn't live very far from the studio, so I

0:45:10.280 --> 0:45:14.120
<v Speaker 1>was like you just I'm you know, five miles away.

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Just give me a head like an hour heads up,

0:45:15.680 --> 0:45:16.439
<v Speaker 1>and I'll be back.

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:19.239
<v Speaker 2>That is nice to Eventually we built that rapport with

0:45:19.760 --> 0:45:22.040
<v Speaker 2>the eighties and things trusted that we could come back.

0:45:23.080 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 2>Some of us, yes, yes, not the ones who transfer

0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:28.719
<v Speaker 2>how to go pick up because they slept through their

0:45:28.719 --> 0:45:31.600
<v Speaker 2>alarm in the morning. Did that ever happen to either

0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:39.000
<v Speaker 2>of you? No, No, it never happened to me. It

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:49.000
<v Speaker 2>was always such a huge fear of mine. Though. Okay,

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>so we've been rewatching the show, and like you and

0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Sue in those first three seasons are just it is

0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.640
<v Speaker 2>pure communic goal that I mean, all of it. But

0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>I think we have to talk about you your experience

0:46:02.520 --> 0:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>working with Jane, because you guys have such incredible chemistry.

0:46:08.200 --> 0:46:11.920
<v Speaker 2>The you're so far on the end of you know,

0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the spectrum, on each end of the scale, like it

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:18.600
<v Speaker 2>really it just works so beautifully. But tell us about

0:46:18.640 --> 0:46:20.799
<v Speaker 2>working with Jane And how did you not laugh like

0:46:21.000 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>all the time? Did you just get used to it?

0:46:23.800 --> 0:46:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Comedic legend makes you think.

0:46:25.480 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I did laugh all the time. I was laughing. I

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 1>ruined so many times because I'm not old.

0:46:31.440 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Together, Okay, okay, good to know I was laughing like.

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:43.919
<v Speaker 1>All of the Yeah, she was a godsend, Like I mean,

0:46:44.040 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 1>just like we became like really really close on that show,

0:46:47.560 --> 0:46:50.399
<v Speaker 1>and we still we don't talk as much, but like

0:46:51.080 --> 0:46:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we still you know, communicate every now and then. And

0:46:53.440 --> 0:46:57.799
<v Speaker 1>I just I love that woman. And and for me,

0:46:58.600 --> 0:47:01.800
<v Speaker 1>as you guys like looked at me as the adult

0:47:02.040 --> 0:47:04.560
<v Speaker 1>and you know, the kind of that figure she was

0:47:04.560 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that for me, and she was that person I was like, oh,

0:47:07.520 --> 0:47:10.000
<v Speaker 1>I need to like look up to her and see

0:47:10.000 --> 0:47:15.640
<v Speaker 1>what she's doing and and and yeah, so I I

0:47:15.640 --> 0:47:21.640
<v Speaker 1>I loved working with her, and I don't know what

0:47:21.800 --> 0:47:24.480
<v Speaker 1>it was, but I made it my mission because I

0:47:24.520 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>was always, you know, looking up takes and laughing. It

0:47:27.719 --> 0:47:30.640
<v Speaker 1>was my mission to make her do that in a scene.

0:47:31.160 --> 0:47:34.279
<v Speaker 1>And finally, I don't know which what episode was or anything,

0:47:34.320 --> 0:47:36.839
<v Speaker 1>but it finally happened and she and I broke her

0:47:37.280 --> 0:47:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and I was like, yes, I'm so proud of myself.

0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:42.240
<v Speaker 1>It was like such a moment of like a complishment.

0:47:42.320 --> 0:47:49.560
<v Speaker 5>I was just like, yes, yeah, wow, but like there's

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.359
<v Speaker 5>a deep love for that woman, and uh, and I

0:47:52.400 --> 0:47:54.640
<v Speaker 5>know she feels it too, Like we we just really

0:47:54.680 --> 0:47:55.840
<v Speaker 5>respected each other.

0:47:55.800 --> 0:48:00.040
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, we became really tight on the show, and

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:04.719
<v Speaker 1>it was one of those things where you know, we

0:48:04.760 --> 0:48:08.960
<v Speaker 1>would hang out outside of the show, going to dinner

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 1>with her, and I wanted to ask her a lot.

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:16.400
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I asked her more questions than I

0:48:16.440 --> 0:48:19.680
<v Speaker 1>did anyone else. I'm just curious about her journey, and

0:48:19.719 --> 0:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, she's very self deprecating and just like doesn't

0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:27.359
<v Speaker 1>think she's as amazing as she is, but she's. Yeah,

0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:30.040
<v Speaker 1>she's someone I really look up to and have learned

0:48:30.080 --> 0:48:32.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot in my life from her.

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>I remember one of our first scenes with her because

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 2>we did not get to work with her, especially in

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:41.239
<v Speaker 2>the beginning, very often. And after that scene, I was

0:48:41.280 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 2>so it was like a terror because I didn't want

0:48:45.560 --> 0:48:49.360
<v Speaker 2>to like this comedic legend. Yeah, I didn't want to

0:48:49.360 --> 0:48:50.759
<v Speaker 2>miss it the scene and the other half was like,

0:48:50.880 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>oh my god, I'm on the edge of bursting out

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.560
<v Speaker 2>with laughter this entire time. Yes, And my only thought

0:48:56.640 --> 0:48:59.040
<v Speaker 2>walking away from that was, how does Matt do this

0:48:59.520 --> 0:49:03.040
<v Speaker 2>every day? Like every day all of your scenes. It's like,

0:49:03.080 --> 0:49:07.680
<v Speaker 2>how does he do this? I am intimidated and I

0:49:07.719 --> 0:49:10.520
<v Speaker 2>want to burst on the scenes with laughter all at once. Yeah,

0:49:11.080 --> 0:49:14.720
<v Speaker 2>And there were those episodes were filled with you guys

0:49:15.080 --> 0:49:18.279
<v Speaker 2>where she would be saying the most asinine shit, like

0:49:19.320 --> 0:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>would go off the rails, and you guys would be

0:49:21.920 --> 0:49:25.280
<v Speaker 2>at each other's throats like this is the best thing ever.

0:49:26.239 --> 0:49:27.960
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know how you get through any scenes.

0:49:28.320 --> 0:49:30.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it, you know, I'm just recalling now. It

0:49:30.480 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>did get easier for me because I knew her so

0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:36.240
<v Speaker 1>well and I knew how she would say the lines.

0:49:36.239 --> 0:49:36.759
<v Speaker 1>I knew how she.

0:49:36.760 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 4>Would deliver it because Jane Hading and some rhythm. I mean, yeah,

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.120
<v Speaker 4>she's a rhythm, but you know, obviously she does go

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:48.840
<v Speaker 4>off that rhythm. She's not like just some like but

0:49:49.960 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 4>and then that's when she did that. That's when it

0:49:52.000 --> 0:49:53.640
<v Speaker 4>would get me because I was expecting something else.

0:49:53.680 --> 0:49:56.839
<v Speaker 1>But and this is not good for me to say

0:49:56.840 --> 0:49:59.719
<v Speaker 1>as an actor, because I was expecting her to say it.

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:01.800
<v Speaker 1>No actor was saying. I was just there listening.

0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:06.600
<v Speaker 2>But after one hundred episodes and kind of had to do.

0:50:06.640 --> 0:50:10.319
<v Speaker 1>I think you protect the take. Yes, I start doing

0:50:10.360 --> 0:50:12.480
<v Speaker 1>that because I didn't want to keep ruining the takes.

0:50:12.560 --> 0:50:16.200
<v Speaker 1>So I did start to develop her rhythm inside of

0:50:16.239 --> 0:50:18.799
<v Speaker 1>my head to prepare myself to not laugh.

0:50:18.920 --> 0:50:21.560
<v Speaker 2>No, that's a good that, that's a really you have

0:50:21.640 --> 0:50:25.520
<v Speaker 2>to there has to be some mechanism, yes, otherwise how

0:50:25.560 --> 0:50:27.239
<v Speaker 2>do you get anything done? You can kill someone with

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.880
<v Speaker 2>just a look. That is the funniest shit I've seen today.

0:50:30.440 --> 0:50:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I get the intimidation thing, though there was for a

0:50:33.560 --> 0:50:36.560
<v Speaker 1>while I was really intimidated by her. But it works

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>because that's her character.

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Obviously, right, which is also hilarious because she is like

0:50:42.360 --> 0:50:44.400
<v Speaker 2>the softest, nicest.

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:48.839
<v Speaker 1>I don't think anyone in Hollywood has a bad thing

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:49.799
<v Speaker 1>to say about Jane Lynn.

0:50:49.920 --> 0:50:51.759
<v Speaker 2>No, there's no way. And that's the reason why she

0:50:51.880 --> 0:50:55.360
<v Speaker 2>has eighty jobs at once always, that's right, that's right.

0:50:55.320 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 1>She'll say, I'm never working.

0:50:57.400 --> 0:51:02.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's okay, Shane. Sure, and she takes care of

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 2>all those animals. This sweet sweet lady, sweet sweet human.

0:51:07.360 --> 0:51:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Should we do some of these fan questions? There were

0:51:09.360 --> 0:51:11.959
<v Speaker 2>a lot of questions for you, Matt, oh boy. Okay,

0:51:12.280 --> 0:51:15.680
<v Speaker 2>we obviously are not going through the hundreds of questions.

0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Here's one. At what point did the hair jokes stop

0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:22.120
<v Speaker 2>feeling like jokes?

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:23.319
<v Speaker 3>Uh?

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:29.879
<v Speaker 1>Pretty early on? You know, it's funny. I've had such

0:51:29.880 --> 0:51:32.120
<v Speaker 1>a journey with in my own life with my hair.

0:51:33.360 --> 0:51:36.880
<v Speaker 1>My hair used to be stick straight and blonde, like

0:51:37.000 --> 0:51:40.480
<v Speaker 1>super blonde, stick straight, And when I went through puberty,

0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:42.400
<v Speaker 1>that's when it started curling up. So I didn't know

0:51:42.560 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 1>what to do with it. And for years I was

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 1>just like trying to like manage these curls that just

0:51:48.160 --> 0:51:49.960
<v Speaker 1>came out of nowhere, and I hate I used to

0:51:49.960 --> 0:51:57.520
<v Speaker 1>wear depth gel jelly, yeah, like hold your hair, and

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:00.520
<v Speaker 1>then I I got into lubraderm like the body.

0:52:01.040 --> 0:52:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget that.

0:52:02.040 --> 0:52:07.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my thing. Yeah, but

0:52:08.920 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 1>it never really bothered me, because you know, I love

0:52:12.200 --> 0:52:13.839
<v Speaker 1>my hair. I think it was more Ryan Than because

0:52:13.840 --> 0:52:15.759
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have hair. He was just kind of like

0:52:16.080 --> 0:52:21.120
<v Speaker 1>keep going. He would say that he was very jealous

0:52:21.160 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 1>of my hair.

0:52:21.840 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, yeah, you did have great hairy He was

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 2>just playing at you. He's saying, here you go, Maddie.

0:52:28.560 --> 0:52:34.120
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a little contempt there from from Ryan.

0:52:34.840 --> 0:52:37.840
<v Speaker 1>But but I don't think it ever lost. It's it

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:40.040
<v Speaker 1>might have lost. It's like kind of luster with the

0:52:40.080 --> 0:52:41.399
<v Speaker 1>audience because there was a.

0:52:41.400 --> 0:52:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Lot of hair jokes. I never got one of my fa.

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:47.960
<v Speaker 1>They say they were always fucking hilarious though, so I was.

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:49.000
<v Speaker 1>It was great.

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>I was like, where is Ian coming up with this?

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:55.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like, get out your thesaurus of hair jokes. Truly. Also,

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.240
<v Speaker 2>the funny thing was it was like your hair always

0:52:58.239 --> 0:53:01.080
<v Speaker 2>looked nice, Like she'd say this crazy stems, like his

0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:05.920
<v Speaker 2>hair looks normal, perfect, And yeah, I like that. She

0:53:06.040 --> 0:53:09.000
<v Speaker 2>hated it so much, but there was something wrong, Yes,

0:53:09.000 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 2>exactly she was. If you actually had bad hair and

0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:13.759
<v Speaker 2>then they were picking on it, it would have been

0:53:15.239 --> 0:53:19.040
<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't have been funny, though exactly exactly someone wanted

0:53:19.160 --> 0:53:21.640
<v Speaker 2>someone just wrote anything about working with Jama.

0:53:23.640 --> 0:53:29.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean how long you got exactly? Uh, just the

0:53:29.480 --> 0:53:40.360
<v Speaker 1>the kindest, most open hearted, beautiful and respectful not only actor,

0:53:40.400 --> 0:53:43.719
<v Speaker 1>but just human being. I think I know she is

0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.880
<v Speaker 1>just she wears her heart er sleeve. She's so thoughtful,

0:53:48.040 --> 0:53:53.400
<v Speaker 1>she cares about the work, she cares about the person

0:53:53.440 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 1>she's working with, and she is just you know, Honestly,

0:54:00.320 --> 0:54:02.600
<v Speaker 1>if I if I missed one person from that show

0:54:02.640 --> 0:54:05.399
<v Speaker 1>the most, it would probably be her. Like I don't

0:54:05.480 --> 0:54:09.479
<v Speaker 1>keep in touch with her very often, but I yeah,

0:54:09.560 --> 0:54:12.480
<v Speaker 1>I loved working with her. Every time I saw that

0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:15.520
<v Speaker 1>we had seen together. I think I put more attention

0:54:15.640 --> 0:54:17.560
<v Speaker 1>into those scenes because I know I knew that she

0:54:17.600 --> 0:54:20.960
<v Speaker 1>would always show up, and I really wanted to make

0:54:21.000 --> 0:54:25.799
<v Speaker 1>those scenes just as dynamic and as strong as as

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>can be because she I mean, she comes off as

0:54:30.120 --> 0:54:31.520
<v Speaker 1>a little you know on the show, like a little

0:54:31.520 --> 0:54:34.719
<v Speaker 1>ditzy little but she is. She was so present and

0:54:34.800 --> 0:54:38.360
<v Speaker 1>so in character and so just like she would just

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.520
<v Speaker 1>give it every time. So I felt like I had

0:54:40.560 --> 0:54:45.200
<v Speaker 1>a really solid co partner to work off of.

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:48.520
<v Speaker 2>So she made it look so effortless.

0:54:49.280 --> 0:54:51.240
<v Speaker 1>People talked to her every.

0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.520
<v Speaker 2>Now and then, Yeah, because I'm obsessed with her, like

0:54:53.600 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>she's an excuse to see her. Two funny as people

0:54:56.680 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I've ever met she's yeah, yeah, it's like you wouldn't

0:55:01.120 --> 0:55:09.799
<v Speaker 2>necessarily think it's exactly she says some crazy shit, but

0:55:09.880 --> 0:55:11.880
<v Speaker 2>you're right. She's really sweet and it makes for a

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.120
<v Speaker 2>really good actor and a good scene partner because she's

0:55:14.160 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 2>so giving, she's you know, and she she brings out

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:20.839
<v Speaker 2>the best in everybody, so you could definitely tell like

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:23.719
<v Speaker 2>rewatching those scenes. I think the adult scenes stick out

0:55:23.719 --> 0:55:25.719
<v Speaker 2>to us more now because you know, back in the

0:55:25.800 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 2>day you're watching like, oh, what did we do and

0:55:27.520 --> 0:55:30.960
<v Speaker 2>what clowning were we doing in this number? And you

0:55:31.000 --> 0:55:34.160
<v Speaker 2>know you're watching yourself. But to rewatch it through the

0:55:34.239 --> 0:55:37.439
<v Speaker 2>lens of in the space and time that we've had,

0:55:37.840 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 2>you're like, oh, wow, I get it, Like it was

0:55:41.280 --> 0:55:46.040
<v Speaker 2>really it's really profound and different and exciting for us

0:55:46.120 --> 0:55:46.839
<v Speaker 2>to watch it now.

0:55:47.480 --> 0:55:50.520
<v Speaker 1>You're making me want to go back and start watching it.

0:55:51.040 --> 0:55:53.279
<v Speaker 2>I know. I mean those first few seasons too were

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:56.799
<v Speaker 2>just like it's it's really really great and the work

0:55:56.840 --> 0:56:00.840
<v Speaker 2>is really really good. Everybody really was giving it, So

0:56:01.880 --> 0:56:02.600
<v Speaker 2>let us know if you do.

0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:04.640
<v Speaker 1>I will.

0:56:05.280 --> 0:56:07.480
<v Speaker 2>Somebody asked, what do you miss the most about playing Will?

0:56:10.840 --> 0:56:16.279
<v Speaker 1>Jeez? I know there's there's been like a lot of

0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:21.080
<v Speaker 1>backlash for that character, you know, in terms of of

0:56:21.480 --> 0:56:24.280
<v Speaker 1>his proximity to the students and all this stuff.

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:28.600
<v Speaker 2>And of course that's a different time, no.

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:31.440
<v Speaker 1>But I I I think at the time it did

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:35.600
<v Speaker 1>take that personally. But yeah, so you're I'm an actor

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:39.160
<v Speaker 1>showing up, saying my lines and being directed in a

0:56:39.160 --> 0:56:42.880
<v Speaker 1>way in a certain way. So I didn't like what

0:56:43.080 --> 0:56:47.280
<v Speaker 1>the character became, I guess. But for me, I think

0:56:47.440 --> 0:56:52.839
<v Speaker 1>the thing I loved most about Will, what I think

0:56:53.120 --> 0:56:59.520
<v Speaker 1>was his proximity to to the kids. Because for me, personally,

0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I had like great mentors in my life and people

0:57:03.800 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 1>that I just really you know, I knew them personally,

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.680
<v Speaker 1>like I knew their their kids. I went to their

0:57:10.719 --> 0:57:13.640
<v Speaker 1>kids baptisms and all these these things, and they were

0:57:13.680 --> 0:57:16.080
<v Speaker 1>just like really just I was really involved in their

0:57:16.080 --> 0:57:20.360
<v Speaker 1>lives and them in mind. And I feel like that

0:57:21.000 --> 0:57:26.080
<v Speaker 1>was Will Shuster, you know, even just cared so much. Yeah,

0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:28.680
<v Speaker 1>out a a lens of twenty twenty four, where we are,

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.520
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure I'm like I said, I don't remember show

0:57:31.560 --> 0:57:33.000
<v Speaker 1>that well, but I'm sure some of this stuff was

0:57:33.000 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 1>a little probably creepy. But yeah, I come from a

0:57:41.440 --> 0:57:44.919
<v Speaker 1>time where, you know, having mentors meant so much.

0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:46.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really.

0:57:47.400 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I was really proud of that, of being a mentor,

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:52.040
<v Speaker 1>and I think in the beginning I really wanted to

0:57:52.080 --> 0:57:55.440
<v Speaker 1>be a mentor to all of you as well in

0:57:55.480 --> 0:58:02.680
<v Speaker 1>real life until I got scared. Oh but yeah, so

0:58:02.800 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>I uh yeah, I think the mentorship role was something

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:08.200
<v Speaker 1>that I really connected to.

0:58:08.440 --> 0:58:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear that. Do you your favorite guest star?

0:58:12.440 --> 0:58:14.040
<v Speaker 1>Oh that's a really tough one.

0:58:14.160 --> 0:58:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:58:15.040 --> 0:58:17.560
<v Speaker 1>I think GP for me would would be my favorite.

0:58:17.560 --> 0:58:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, I just loved her.

0:58:22.240 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 2>You guys are great together. Yeah. It was really good.

0:58:25.080 --> 0:58:27.360
<v Speaker 1>But I mean I have so like, Okay, Kristen would

0:58:27.400 --> 0:58:33.560
<v Speaker 1>be the top. Ye yeah, you know, yeah, I was

0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:35.680
<v Speaker 1>really lucky with guest stars. I feel like I really

0:58:35.800 --> 0:58:39.480
<v Speaker 1>got to like have some great scenes with with guest stars.

0:58:40.000 --> 0:58:42.040
<v Speaker 2>Yes, and yeah, you got to do all of this

0:58:42.120 --> 0:58:44.320
<v Speaker 2>stuff with the guest stars. Well, somebody asked about dream On.

0:58:44.440 --> 0:58:46.880
<v Speaker 2>It's like, you know Neil Patrick too, Like you guys,

0:58:47.440 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 2>it's like unreal, so good.

0:58:50.400 --> 0:58:54.720
<v Speaker 1>That was fun. I just remember him. He was like

0:58:54.800 --> 0:58:56.080
<v Speaker 1>hosting the Emmys that year.

0:58:56.160 --> 0:58:58.360
<v Speaker 2>He was so like, what am I doing? It was

0:58:58.360 --> 0:59:01.240
<v Speaker 2>so any hosts like the Oscars the night before or something.

0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>He did the Oscars yeh was it the Oscars. It

0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:08.360
<v Speaker 2>was Oscars Emmys and we all went to the parties

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:10.280
<v Speaker 2>and then we showed up to work the next day.

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:15.200
<v Speaker 2>He's like glowing and we're all like, oh, he has

0:59:15.240 --> 0:59:17.480
<v Speaker 2>like monologues and he's like, I'm not going to get.

0:59:17.320 --> 0:59:20.360
<v Speaker 1>This sorry, sorry guys in advance.

0:59:20.840 --> 0:59:22.360
<v Speaker 2>And then he won an Emmy. He's like, remember when

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:23.360
<v Speaker 2>I didn't remember my life?

0:59:24.320 --> 0:59:26.400
<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm getting emmything because he won the Emmy

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:27.040
<v Speaker 1>for that episode.

0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:31.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my gosh, he.

0:59:31.120 --> 0:59:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Was so great at it. And yeah, that that number

0:59:33.480 --> 0:59:39.920
<v Speaker 1>in particular was one of the highlights. But also like

0:59:39.920 --> 0:59:42.800
<v Speaker 1>like Jama was is just like one of those giving

0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:46.000
<v Speaker 1>people and just and we have gone on to like

0:59:46.040 --> 0:59:50.040
<v Speaker 1>have just an amazing friendship. And you know now she's

0:59:50.080 --> 0:59:51.360
<v Speaker 1>married to Brad and like.

0:59:51.440 --> 0:59:56.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we love them. Yes, so yeah, it's great. Now

0:59:56.120 --> 1:00:04.640
<v Speaker 2>she's family. She's family forever. Okay, so we ask everybody

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:06.760
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the episode, Oh.

1:00:06.760 --> 1:00:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Geez, one of these questions. Okay, here we go.

1:00:09.520 --> 1:00:14.080
<v Speaker 2>We're a self health podcast. No, I'm kidding, we should

1:00:14.080 --> 1:00:18.840
<v Speaker 2>not be giving advice. No, what is the feeling that

1:00:19.040 --> 1:00:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Glee leaves you with.

1:00:22.680 --> 1:00:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Connections going out?

1:00:23.800 --> 1:00:36.760
<v Speaker 3>So I'm dead.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so mixed. I don't have a single answer

1:00:46.440 --> 1:00:49.840
<v Speaker 1>for that question. Like I said, it was the highest

1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:53.800
<v Speaker 1>of highs and the lowest of lows. But when I

1:00:53.880 --> 1:01:00.520
<v Speaker 1>look back at it, and I'm so proud. I'm proud

1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:04.080
<v Speaker 1>of the impact that we had in society. I'm proud

1:01:04.120 --> 1:01:08.080
<v Speaker 1>of all the things that we did for so many

1:01:08.160 --> 1:01:16.840
<v Speaker 1>communities that were underserved or underrepresented. The show opened people's

1:01:16.880 --> 1:01:25.560
<v Speaker 1>eyes to diversity, to people who weren't the status quo,

1:01:25.640 --> 1:01:29.840
<v Speaker 1>who looked different, who acted different, and and I feel

1:01:29.920 --> 1:01:32.960
<v Speaker 1>like it was the beginning of such a revolution. And

1:01:33.200 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 1>for me, that is so beautiful to have been at

1:01:38.600 --> 1:01:45.840
<v Speaker 1>the kind of nucleus of that whole, you know thing.

1:01:46.280 --> 1:01:51.040
<v Speaker 1>So I can't look back and be you know, I

1:01:51.080 --> 1:01:54.760
<v Speaker 1>can complain about being overworked and you know, blah blah

1:01:54.880 --> 1:01:57.720
<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah blah. But just like the impact,

1:01:59.080 --> 1:02:02.000
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing that will will stand the test of time.

1:02:02.360 --> 1:02:06.160
<v Speaker 1>And for me, I think that is that's a beautiful thing.

1:02:06.200 --> 1:02:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Because most shows, most TV shows do not have an impact.

1:02:10.000 --> 1:02:13.800
<v Speaker 1>They're they're binge worthy, they're fun, they're you know, you

1:02:14.240 --> 1:02:18.640
<v Speaker 1>might learn something, But there's there are a few and

1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:22.400
<v Speaker 1>far between shows that have like a cultural impact and

1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:26.880
<v Speaker 1>a societal people. So yeah, I love, I love being

1:02:26.880 --> 1:02:27.960
<v Speaker 1>a part of that legacy.

1:02:28.160 --> 1:02:33.600
<v Speaker 2>Beautiful, well said. Thank you for taking the time to

1:02:33.680 --> 1:02:38.920
<v Speaker 2>chat with us. This is it was just a podcast. No, no, no,

1:02:38.920 --> 1:02:42.000
<v Speaker 2>don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. If you

1:02:42.000 --> 1:02:43.280
<v Speaker 2>see anything on line, it's a lie.

1:02:43.480 --> 1:02:50.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh I can't wait wait to see what sound bites kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you for having me and whatever. Glad we just

1:02:57.120 --> 1:02:58.080
<v Speaker 1>to catch up.

1:02:58.400 --> 1:03:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm so good to see you. Thank you for

1:03:00.720 --> 1:03:04.080
<v Speaker 2>spending so much time with us. It's very sweet of you. Pleasure,

1:03:04.200 --> 1:03:04.720
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:05.120
<v Speaker 1>Love.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, let me too.

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<v Speaker 1>Bye.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Matt Mattie mo Mattie Morrison, mister shoot himself. You know,

1:03:13.280 --> 1:03:16.680
<v Speaker 2>what a joy, what a joy. He's a kind he's

1:03:16.720 --> 1:03:20.680
<v Speaker 2>a kind, soul calm. So yeah, it was very enlightening

1:03:20.720 --> 1:03:24.520
<v Speaker 2>to hear his his experience and for him to be

1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:27.560
<v Speaker 2>so honest about it, you know, because I think we

1:03:27.680 --> 1:03:32.040
<v Speaker 2>kind of, like he said, we separated around season four,

1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:34.280
<v Speaker 2>five six, like we didn't really see that much of

1:03:34.360 --> 1:03:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Matt and so you know, it was like we didn't

1:03:40.120 --> 1:03:42.360
<v Speaker 2>we didn't get the insights like we used to. We

1:03:42.400 --> 1:03:44.320
<v Speaker 2>didn't you know, we didn't get him as much and

1:03:44.360 --> 1:03:46.840
<v Speaker 2>I think we were so bogged down in our day

1:03:46.880 --> 1:03:51.040
<v Speaker 2>to day that we weren't. It wasn't like we had

1:03:51.080 --> 1:03:54.720
<v Speaker 2>time to even like hang out with him outside of work. Yeah,

1:03:55.200 --> 1:03:57.800
<v Speaker 2>you'rest we were hanging out with whoever we were with

1:03:57.880 --> 1:04:01.760
<v Speaker 2>shooting well, I'm so grateful for Maddie to come and

1:04:02.280 --> 1:04:04.800
<v Speaker 2>share his experience. And I hope you guys can show

1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:07.040
<v Speaker 2>the episode and remember when you're talking about Shoe that

1:04:07.240 --> 1:04:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Matt is not Shoe. You don't hate Maddie. People don't,

1:04:11.880 --> 1:04:15.960
<v Speaker 2>though we can, but just just to be safe, you know,

1:04:17.240 --> 1:04:19.760
<v Speaker 2>people are very good about separating the two. I just

1:04:19.800 --> 1:04:25.360
<v Speaker 2>want to state it. Thank you, Matt Morrison, our mister

1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:30.720
<v Speaker 2>Shoe forever for joining us and that's what you really missed.

1:04:31.080 --> 1:04:34.200
<v Speaker 2>Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and

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