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Speaker 1: And that's what you really missed with Jenna.

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Speaker 2: And Kevin An iHeartRadio podcast. Welcome to You, and that's

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Speaker 2: what you really miss podcast. Mister Shoe. We got him.

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Speaker 2: He's here. We finally got him. He's here, he's here,

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Speaker 2: locked and loaded. We have a long talk and it's great.

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Speaker 2: It was just so nice to catch up. You know.

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Speaker 2: That's the best part of this, isn't it, of course

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Speaker 2: a reunion. It is genuinely like I got you, now

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Speaker 2: get You've got you in my grasp just a FaceTime

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Speaker 2: and then we're recording it exactly a really great interview. Really,

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Speaker 2: I'm honest and wonderful. So we'll let you just listen

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Speaker 2: to it now and you don't have to listen to

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Speaker 2: our voices anymore. Well, kind of hi, friends, it's good

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Speaker 2: to see you.

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Speaker 1: It's so good to see you.

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Speaker 2: You know, you look wealthy. I'm looking at you. You

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Speaker 2: look rested, and I feel like and you look rested.

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Speaker 2: You look that's like wealth You look good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah good, I like that, you know. I feel I

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Speaker 1: I don't know about rested, but like my heart is happy.

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Speaker 1: I my family's great. Yeah, I feel really, really good.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for noticing.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's so nice to see you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: hanging with us clowns.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for inviting me. I didn't even invited me. I

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Speaker 2: Just have a few times. No, that's okay. It's hard

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Speaker 2: to get a hold of you, but you always respond,

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Speaker 2: did the whole announcement in Japanese, which was mind blowing.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I thought to make a bigger impact

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Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I mean, you know, I love language,

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Speaker 2: But it's smart. It's a smart move. But that's awesome.

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Speaker 2: decade of lived experience and like you have worked a lot,

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00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: you've been on stage, you are able to view the

437
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 2: success or like what it means, the value of it,

438
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,440
Speaker 2: the pressure of being number one on the call sheet.

439
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: I your perspective was probably so much different than ours

440
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,399
Speaker 2: in a way because we were sort of like these

441
00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: asshole kids who were like, this show is super successful,

442
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: we're all super famous, and like this is hard. Where

443
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 2: you saying like you did sort of like create those

444
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 2: you created that alone time, that actual space for yourself

445
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: to try to like get your head right to also

446
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 2: then capitalize on what's happening on the weekends and going

447
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: to these concerts. It's such like a thirties mindset of

448
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 2: let me value this experience for what it is and

449
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: also the meaningfulness of it, retain and like take on

450
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: that responsibility of the mantle of what this is and

451
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 2: what it means to me and what it means to people.

452
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 2: And I don't think that was something that we necessarily

453
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:43,560
Speaker 2: I think we did to an extent to the best

454
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,920
Speaker 2: of our abilities. But hearing you say that, I do

455
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 2: think you probably understood it in such I don't know,

456
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,160
Speaker 2: a deeper way than we were able to at the time.

457
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 2: And like seeing that come out through like the psoriasis,

458
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 2: and we're because you're always like this, if anyone knows you,

459
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,840
Speaker 2: you're always so calm, so chill, and it's like nothing's

460
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,639
Speaker 2: affecting you. But at the end of the day, like

461
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: you are at the top of the sheet and like

462
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,080
Speaker 2: this is it became this gigantic, gigantic thing. So of course,

463
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: and like to get any to get a job period

464
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,800
Speaker 2: in the entertaining business is like a great thing. It's hard,

465
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,919
Speaker 2: and then you like you end up on this you

466
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 2: get the job, You get the job, and like you

467
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,359
Speaker 2: get the part on the job, and it's like you

468
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 2: originally knew like the show was supposed to be like

469
00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: Will's Journey, So it's no wonder that that happened and

470
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: that like you felt that. It's just you know, it's

471
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: interesting to have to look back and like, of course

472
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: I didn't think about what your experience was, like you,

473
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:55,399
Speaker 2: it's interesting you.

474
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: Say that stuff that have hearing you say that brings

475
00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: up some other things for me, just like I A, yeah, yeah,

476
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 1: Like I love the first two seasons because I felt

477
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 1: like I had so much stuff. I felt like I

478
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 1: had so much, like just juicy stuff to like get

479
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,439
Speaker 1: like sick my teeth into as an actor, as a singer,

480
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: and then and then uh, then the other seasons it

481
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 1: kind of became like I was the exposition of the show. Like,

482
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 1: this is what the show is going to be about

483
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: this episode, and this is what we're going to do. Everyone,

484
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,960
Speaker 1: like in my big speech I have in the beginning.

485
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 2: We used to laugh about those because you'd come in

486
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,159
Speaker 2: it would have a huge dialogue about nothing.

487
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: It could be like connect to it. I was awful

488
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 1: at memorizing it because I no connection to it. And

489
00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,959
Speaker 1: then all of you were just not paying attention at

490
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 1: all and maybe not everyone's stuff.

491
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 2: And I just like, yeah, it was.

492
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: It was challenging. It was really challenging. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

493
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 1: And and and I don't I don't know if you

494
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 1: two know this, but I I actually was trying to

495
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: get off the show really yeah. In season five, I

496
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:14,640
Speaker 1: h I asked to be like, be off the show

497
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: because I was just like I'm I'm I'm no longer

498
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: being like used and like you know, yeah in the

499
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: way I wanted to and and no disrespect to the show,

500
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 1: but I was just like, I was just like I

501
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: I And also we are at a height. I was like,

502
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: maybe if I get off the show, I can go

503
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 1: do something else to a movie or and they they

504
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: agreed to let me off the show, and then Corey

505
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: passed and then they said they couldn't do it because

506
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, the two main guys on the show.

507
00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: Of course.

508
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, So yeah, it was it was interesting, interesting time.

509
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 2: How did that affect you?

510
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: I obviously I understood. I was like, yeah, I get it,

511
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: and you.

512
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 2: Know, trying to.

513
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 1: To reconcile my own you know, wants and selfish needs

514
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: with the grief of losing an amazing friend. You know,

515
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,359
Speaker 1: there's a lot of just mixed emotions and stuff. But

516
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: but I'm a professional. I showed up, I didn't get

517
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 1: my job, and it was a good pancrease.

518
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, I think I think we all felt that

519
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,919
Speaker 2: way at some point in our not that you know,

520
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: we were number one on the call sheet and you know,

521
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: we're told this this story is about you. You know,

522
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: this show is your journey, but like we all felt underutilized,

523
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: I think at some point in this show, because exactly

524
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: there's a lot of a lot of please there's a

525
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 2: lot of storylines, there's a lot of Yeah, there was

526
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 2: a lot of stuff to do, and.

527
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: I think I think I took it or so like

528
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: I was bad and that's why my storyline kind of went.

529
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 1: But then I look at the demographic of the what

530
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: the show ended up being. You know, it's like, you know,

531
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:09,800
Speaker 1: they don't want to see mister shoots.

532
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 2: I want to see so I mean, right, right, is

533
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: that why you secretly have held a grudge against me

534
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: because I started rapping more than you did.

535
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:24,480
Speaker 1: Didn't even I would pass that torch happily. You know.

536
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: It was like no, no, please, no, I can't do this,

537
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: Like why do we have to wrap? We are not rappers.

538
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: This is you were the two last rappers of the crew,

539
00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 2: which is saying a lot.

540
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: I thought it was a one off for me. I

541
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: was like, okay, great, you know me too.

542
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you guys could do it. Though. It's

543
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 2: like sometimes that is a thing there was sometimes you

544
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: didn't want to show things you could sort of do

545
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 2: because they would just have you do it all the time.

546
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 2: That's right, Like this is something I can do behind

547
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 2: the scenes to make people laugh, but this is something

548
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: I need to do in front of millions of people.

549
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: This would be a special talent on my resume that

550
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: I never wanted to use.

551
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I also maybe lied about yes exactly, don't

552
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: make me do exactly hulu hooping.

553
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I definitely.

554
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. There was the one episode where you did you

555
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: pulled out every tool, you did thong song and you

556
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 2: were break like you were sliding around. I remember seeing

557
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: you that episode where like Emma is talking about getting

558
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 2: married and you're helping her and you rapped, you sang,

559
00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 2: you did eighteen different styles of dance. You swing, swing,

560
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 2: danced with with Jane you did. It was like the

561
00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: craziest episode. We were like where was Matt this whole

562
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 2: episode and you were like in the rehearsal studio because

563
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: you literally were in every number doing something different, like like, oh,

564
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: Matt can do everything, so we're just gonna have to

565
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 2: do everything in this one episode, which which.

566
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: Was I think worked out for me because I think

567
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 1: that was my submission episode for These in Golden Globes,

568
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: which I got nominated for, so I think that.

569
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: Was worked right. It works right well. You were being

570
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: utilized and you could show all the different things that

571
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: you could do, and that was so cool and really yeah,

572
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: really awesome. Do you feel like the armor Do you

573
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 2: feel like the armor that you put up that you

574
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 2: created during Glee? I feel I feel that. Do you

575
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 2: have you had like corrective experiences in the industry. Do

576
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: you feel like you have corrected that or do you

577
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: feel like you've taken that with you and feel more guarded,

578
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: Like what is that like for you now?

579
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: I think I've just recently, in the last couple of years,

580
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 1: kind of come on the other side of that. And

581
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: I think it's thanks to you know, talking to professionals

582
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: and doing the work and on myself and finding because

583
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: I think the insecurity has come from a place of

584
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: not enoughness, not feeling like enough. I feel a lot

585
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: more self love than I've felt in a long time,

586
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: and you know, I feel and also just just experiencing,

587
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, how people come up to you and you

588
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 1: know this is a big moment for those people, and

589
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 1: it's almost easier to just be like yeah and just

590
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 1: go with it, be nice and cordial for like a

591
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: couple of seconds, and then be on your way. And

592
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: then instead of being like, oh no, I don't really

593
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: feel like taking a picture, and then they feel bad

594
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: about the experience, you feel bad about the experience. So

595
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 1: it's just I think, just going through life and learning

596
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: what it's all about. But yeah, I think I think

597
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: the armor has definitely gone down. But also with the

598
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: armor going down, I'm more of a realist about the

599
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: situations that I'm putting myself into and knowing what to expect,

600
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 1: because you know, I've been in since situations where I

601
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: just didn't think things through and and it turned out

602
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: bad for me. So I think I just need need

603
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: to go into situations a little more prepared for what

604
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: I'm walking into. And I think that goes the same

605
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: thing in life. But I think I do that a

606
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 1: lot more.

607
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 2: You also got to do two really cool things. You

608
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: got to sing one of your own songs on the

609
00:33:56,720 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 2: show and you got to direct. How are bost of

610
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 2: those experiences for you? Yeah?

611
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: Wow, Well, singing one of my own songs on the

612
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: show was really cool, like a really just great experience.

613
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 1: I was just so you know, tied to the music

614
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: I was creating for myself and and and it just

615
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: also testament too because you know, that's the song was

616
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: so personal to me. But the brilliance of the writers

617
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:31,399
Speaker 1: and how they just incorporated any song into the show

618
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,399
Speaker 1: when it's your song, You're like, oh wow, yeah like that,

619
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:37,880
Speaker 1: you know, it was it was, it was, It was

620
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: really interesting, and directing was a phenomenal opportunity and what

621
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: a great experience. And I I think I became a

622
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: better actor and a better uh better teammate overall in

623
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 1: terms of how everything runs and how every cog in

624
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,399
Speaker 1: the machine, every department has its own kind of thing,

625
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:07,439
Speaker 1: and I had I got to connect with all these

626
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: different departments and and seeing and especially our show because

627
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: everything was so last minute. Seeing the professionalism of people

628
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: like when they're under the under pressure like that was

629
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 1: really incredible to see. I wish I had the full

630
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: experience of it, because you know, a typical director will

631
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:29,280
Speaker 1: go in and have like at least a week to prep.

632
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: On our show, we didn't get They're not starring, you know, right, no,

633
00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: But then you know a lot of people didn't didn't

634
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: get the scripts until like the day of shooting, so

635
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: there was no prep telling it. But the advantage I had, Yeah,

636
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: the advantage I had was I knew all the crew. Everyone,

637
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,680
Speaker 1: I had my back. I felt so supportive even with

638
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: the cast, like everyone was just like, how can we

639
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: help you win? And and yeah, I learned a lot

640
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 1: about just also writing and because one of the main

641
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 1: are the biggest takeaways was from Ryan when we had

642
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 1: a meeting before and he said, uh, the biggest part

643
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: of directing is the transition from the end of a

644
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: scene to the beginning of the next scene and how

645
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 1: you tie those two together. And that has been just

646
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,360
Speaker 1: like instrumental in even just acting of how I do it.

647
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: And I'm doing some writing and stuff these days, so

648
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: that like just little kidments have really carried through from

649
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: the experience. I don't know if I'd want to do

650
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:45,120
Speaker 1: it again. I don't know if I was like I

651
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: want to be, if I really was going to be

652
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 1: invested in directing, I would want to, you know, learn

653
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 1: the lenses and learn the angles, and I want to

654
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: be Alfonso. You know.

655
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So but.

656
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,719
Speaker 1: That's that's like a whole nother lifetime of you know,

657
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 1: in the world.

658
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: Totally yes, Yeah, but you were. I mean, we just

659
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: watched that episode one. It was great, and there were

660
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: you can also see like your stamp on it, or

661
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 2: there were some extra like pushions and whips of like

662
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: really funny shit and shot in a way that hadn't

663
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: been done before on the show. And then do you think, Yeah,

664
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: And I've had that conversation with my friends who are

665
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 2: directors too about if I get asked if I want

666
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: to direct, and I see the exact same thing, you

667
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:35,919
Speaker 2: just said, however, you pick all that shit up along

668
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: the way, right, and you surround yourself with people who

669
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 2: do know what they're doing, and if you have like

670
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,719
Speaker 2: the vision for it, and all that is to say

671
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 2: that if you you know, don't stop yourself if you

672
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 2: want to keep doing it, because I think you were

673
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: naturally quite good at it, and.

674
00:37:52,880 --> 00:38:00,279
Speaker 1: I think like anything we saw, yeah, like you see,

675
00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 1: like we saw enough bad directors and we saw enough

676
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 1: great director to be for me to feel like, oh

677
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: I can I can at least be in the middle

678
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: of somewhere, you know.

679
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I felt.

680
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: Confident in that and yeah, and like I don't I

681
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: don't want to like to my own horn as a director,

682
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 1: Like there was a lot of hand holding in.

683
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 2: That experience, I mean, a perfect place to do that. Yeah, yeah,

684
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: it was.

685
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 1: That's why I wanted to do it right. It felt

686
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: like my back totally. Yeah. But I feel though for

687
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: those guest directors that just go into procedural shows and Okay,

688
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: here's everyone who knows each other so well, and.

689
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 2: You're supposed to be the captain of the ship. Yet

690
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,360
Speaker 2: you're coming into some on somebody else's ship, you're driving

691
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: somebody else's ship. Basically, you don't know.

692
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Mister Shuster, you don't know like how I was directed

693
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: to do.

694
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 2: This thing exactly. Yeah. Yeah, A good guest director is

695
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 2: it's a very It's a specific skill as a director

696
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: to come in to somebody else's house and be collaborative

697
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: yet still be a leader. Yes, walk that tightrope. I

698
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: am in charge, but I'm also respectful of what I

699
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 2: don't know, and like you all who are here every day,

700
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: like that seems like an unwinnable feat. But we we,

701
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,520
Speaker 2: like you said, we worked with some great directors who

702
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: were amazing at that. It's amazing to see.

703
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I don't know if we were the easiest

704
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: cast to.

705
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure we were not. It's a really nice

706
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: way of putting it, Maddie. And there were a lot

707
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 2: of us, and you're adding musical numbers on top of it.

708
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: I mean, they remember our names. That's like a win

709
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: right there. It's like they called us by our name,

710
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: our first name. That's a lot of people most of

711
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:59,359
Speaker 2: the time, remember oh gosh, oh my gosh. Ah. Yeah,

712
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: where the this is? After season two when you said

713
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 2: that you're the adult storyline seemed to dwindle in comparison

714
00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: to Actually, so we got questions from fans, and Hitchcock

715
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 2: brought in and he said, how do you feel when

716
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 2: many of the adult actors on Lee were not featured

717
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,760
Speaker 2: as much? So as his question, that's my own how

718
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: when that actually started to happen in real time? Like,

719
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: could you tell there was sort of this shift? Yeah?

720
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: Absolutely, there was definitely a drop off. I mean it

721
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: was you know, I felt, like I said before, I

722
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 1: felt like, is it something I'm doing that I'm not.

723
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not showing up and and giving the performances that

724
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: that are worthy of me having more scenes. But I

725
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,799
Speaker 1: knew the audience of the show, and I knew where

726
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: the ship was kind of being directed and and tailored to.

727
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 1: So that was really short lived. But honestly, I I

728
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 1: appreciated the time off. I had a lot more time myself,

729
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: So I was like not mad at it. Right, it

730
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: was I feel like Glee had its top or its

731
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 1: explosion into the into the world, and then slowly I

732
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 1: think it started to come down off off its you know,

733
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 1: away from the sun.

734
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 2: And there's a direct correlation. There was less mad and

735
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: there was less success. So maybe that's maybe that's what

736
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 2: it was.

737
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: No comment on that one, but no. But I honestly

738
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: and that was like when my relationship with my now

739
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: wife started to kind of intensify. And so for me,

740
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 1: it was it was like the perfect storm was like great.

741
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: Timing and right, yeah, it's not bad at it.

742
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: And I was able to go off and do like

743
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: more gigs and I even I think I did a

744
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: movie in there somewhere.

745
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was you did. Yeah, you're expecting that's right.

746
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:16,960
Speaker 2: It's funny because for people who don't know, like, you know,

747
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: those musical numbers they take like seven hours, you know,

748
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: on a good day, like it's a seven hour formula.

749
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 2: You shoot it, and all the different camera angles are

750
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: pretty you know, set in their ways. But when Matt

751
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,880
Speaker 2: was not in the numbers and doing the mister shooting

752
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: where he's sitting in the back of the auditorium watching,

753
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: they would call you in, you know, to get ready

754
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: and to come in and you know, shoot your stuff.

755
00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 2: And sometimes we'd be behind the ca you know, in

756
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 2: front of the camera onto you and sometimes we'd be like, oh,

757
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: Matt's here, he's in his trailer, he's been here for

758
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 2: seven hours, and you just be waiting. Yeah, that is brutal.

759
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 2: Did you just learn like, oh, I mean, like we

760
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 2: all kind of knew, You're like, this might be a

761
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 2: really long day. I don't need to be here. How

762
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 2: did you fill your time making albums or not? Right?

763
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 2: Oh my god?

764
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: How did I fill my time?

765
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 4: I don't just I just I became a good napper.

766
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm not an Apple at all, but I came and

767
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: became a good napper on that show. I think I

768
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:44,440
Speaker 1: was playing I was playing music. I had my in

769
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 1: there and I was I was like, that's when I

770
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: really started to kind of get into that instrument. I'm

771
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 1: looking back, I was like, oh gosh, I wish I

772
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,760
Speaker 1: had filled my time was so much more productive. Like Chris.

773
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: I'm so envious of Chris, like the way he just

774
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: kind of did his back there. But I I do

775
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: have to say, I'll tell you my longest time waiting

776
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: in the trailer room. Oh god, eighteen hours.

777
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: No, I gotta leave it. Wait, Can I guess the episode?

778
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: Yep?

779
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: Was it Super Bowl?

780
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:18,400
Speaker 4: Yep?

781
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 1: In Long Beach? You're student stuff in the field and

782
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 1: stuff all day. I waited eighteen hours and then they said, oh,

783
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:30,319
Speaker 1: we don't need you. No, I did it didn't even

784
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 1: use me.

785
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:39,359
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god. I think there were

786
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: a lot of times like to what Jenna was saying that,

787
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 2: I think he was probably waiting not seven hours, but

788
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 2: like twelve on the regular because we'd see you, probably

789
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 2: for blocking in the morning, and if we had two

790
00:44:52,520 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 2: musical numbers or there was like another seat, like you'd

791
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: only see at the beginning of it and at the

792
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 2: end of it, and they like, have you go away,

793
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: and then it would be a full day would happen?

794
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, I became better at asking to Lee because

795
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 1: I didn't live very far from the studio, so I

796
00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 1: was like you just I'm you know, five miles away.

797
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: Just give me a head like an hour heads up,

798
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 1: and I'll be back.

799
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: That is nice to Eventually we built that rapport with

800
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 2: the eighties and things trusted that we could come back.

801
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 2: Some of us, yes, yes, not the ones who transfer

802
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 2: how to go pick up because they slept through their

803
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 2: alarm in the morning. Did that ever happen to either

804
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 2: of you? No, No, it never happened to me. It

805
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 2: was always such a huge fear of mine. Though. Okay,

806
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: so we've been rewatching the show, and like you and

807
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 2: Sue in those first three seasons are just it is

808
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: pure communic goal that I mean, all of it. But

809
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: I think we have to talk about you your experience

810
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 2: working with Jane, because you guys have such incredible chemistry.

811
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: The you're so far on the end of you know,

812
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 2: the spectrum, on each end of the scale, like it

813
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: really it just works so beautifully. But tell us about

814
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 2: working with Jane And how did you not laugh like

815
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 2: all the time? Did you just get used to it?

816
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Comedic legend makes you think.

817
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: I did laugh all the time. I was laughing. I

818
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: ruined so many times because I'm not old.

819
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 2: Together, Okay, okay, good to know I was laughing like.

820
00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:43,919
Speaker 1: All of the Yeah, she was a godsend, Like I mean,

821
00:46:44,040 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 1: just like we became like really really close on that show,

822
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 1: and we still we don't talk as much, but like

823
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: we still you know, communicate every now and then. And

824
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: I just I love that woman. And and for me,

825
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: as you guys like looked at me as the adult

826
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the kind of that figure she was

827
00:47:04,560 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 1: that for me, and she was that person I was like, oh,

828
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:10,000
Speaker 1: I need to like look up to her and see

829
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: what she's doing and and and yeah, so I I

830
00:47:15,640 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: I loved working with her, and I don't know what

831
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: it was, but I made it my mission because I

832
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 1: was always, you know, looking up takes and laughing. It

833
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: was my mission to make her do that in a scene.

834
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: And finally, I don't know which what episode was or anything,

835
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: but it finally happened and she and I broke her

836
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 1: and I was like, yes, I'm so proud of myself.

837
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 1: It was like such a moment of like a complishment.

838
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 5: I was just like, yes, yeah, wow, but like there's

839
00:47:49,600 --> 00:47:52,359
Speaker 5: a deep love for that woman, and uh, and I

840
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 5: know she feels it too, Like we we just really

841
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 5: respected each other.

842
00:47:55,800 --> 00:48:00,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, we became really tight on the show, and

843
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 1: it was one of those things where you know, we

844
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: would hang out outside of the show, going to dinner

845
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:14,359
Speaker 1: with her, and I wanted to ask her a lot.

846
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: I feel like I asked her more questions than I

847
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 1: did anyone else. I'm just curious about her journey, and

848
00:48:19,719 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, she's very self deprecating and just like doesn't

849
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: think she's as amazing as she is, but she's. Yeah,

850
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 1: she's someone I really look up to and have learned

851
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: a lot in my life from her.

852
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:36,120
Speaker 2: I remember one of our first scenes with her because

853
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: we did not get to work with her, especially in

854
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 2: the beginning, very often. And after that scene, I was

855
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 2: so it was like a terror because I didn't want

856
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 2: to like this comedic legend. Yeah, I didn't want to

857
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 2: miss it the scene and the other half was like,

858
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm on the edge of bursting out

859
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: with laughter this entire time. Yes, And my only thought

860
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: walking away from that was, how does Matt do this

861
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 2: every day? Like every day all of your scenes. It's like,

862
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 2: how does he do this? I am intimidated and I

863
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 2: want to burst on the scenes with laughter all at once. Yeah,

864
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 2: And there were those episodes were filled with you guys

865
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:18,279
Speaker 2: where she would be saying the most asinine shit, like

866
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 2: would go off the rails, and you guys would be

867
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:25,280
Speaker 2: at each other's throats like this is the best thing ever.

868
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 2: And I don't know how you get through any scenes.

869
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,440
Speaker 1: I think it, you know, I'm just recalling now. It

870
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: did get easier for me because I knew her so

871
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 1: well and I knew how she would say the lines.

872
00:49:36,239 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 1: I knew how she.

873
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:41,839
Speaker 4: Would deliver it because Jane Hading and some rhythm. I mean, yeah,

874
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 4: she's a rhythm, but you know, obviously she does go

875
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:48,840
Speaker 4: off that rhythm. She's not like just some like but

876
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:51,960
Speaker 4: and then that's when she did that. That's when it

877
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 4: would get me because I was expecting something else.

878
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: But and this is not good for me to say

879
00:49:56,840 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 1: as an actor, because I was expecting her to say it.

880
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: No actor was saying. I was just there listening.

881
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: But after one hundred episodes and kind of had to do.

882
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 1: I think you protect the take. Yes, I start doing

883
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: that because I didn't want to keep ruining the takes.

884
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 1: So I did start to develop her rhythm inside of

885
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:18,799
Speaker 1: my head to prepare myself to not laugh.

886
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 2: No, that's a good that, that's a really you have

887
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: to there has to be some mechanism, yes, otherwise how

888
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 2: do you get anything done? You can kill someone with

889
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,880
Speaker 2: just a look. That is the funniest shit I've seen today.

890
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: I get the intimidation thing, though there was for a

891
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: while I was really intimidated by her. But it works

892
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 1: because that's her character.

893
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: Obviously, right, which is also hilarious because she is like

894
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: the softest, nicest.

895
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone in Hollywood has a bad thing

896
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: to say about Jane Lynn.

897
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 2: No, there's no way. And that's the reason why she

898
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 2: has eighty jobs at once always, that's right, that's right.

899
00:50:55,320 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: She'll say, I'm never working.

900
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's okay, Shane. Sure, and she takes care of

901
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 2: all those animals. This sweet sweet lady, sweet sweet human.

902
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: Should we do some of these fan questions? There were

903
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:11,959
Speaker 2: a lot of questions for you, Matt, oh boy. Okay,

904
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 2: we obviously are not going through the hundreds of questions.

905
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 2: Here's one. At what point did the hair jokes stop

906
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 2: feeling like jokes?

907
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 3: Uh?

908
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:29,879
Speaker 1: Pretty early on? You know, it's funny. I've had such

909
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,120
Speaker 1: a journey with in my own life with my hair.

910
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 1: My hair used to be stick straight and blonde, like

911
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: super blonde, stick straight, And when I went through puberty,

912
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: that's when it started curling up. So I didn't know

913
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: what to do with it. And for years I was

914
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 1: just like trying to like manage these curls that just

915
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 1: came out of nowhere, and I hate I used to

916
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: wear depth gel jelly, yeah, like hold your hair, and

917
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:00,520
Speaker 1: then I I got into lubraderm like the body.

918
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: I'll never forget that.

919
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was kind of my thing. Yeah, but

920
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,160
Speaker 1: it never really bothered me, because you know, I love

921
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: my hair. I think it was more Ryan Than because

922
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: he didn't have hair. He was just kind of like

923
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:21,120
Speaker 1: keep going. He would say that he was very jealous

924
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: of my hair.

925
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yeah, you did have great hairy He was

926
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 2: just playing at you. He's saying, here you go, Maddie.

927
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: I think there's a little contempt there from from Ryan.

928
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: But but I don't think it ever lost. It's it

929
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: might have lost. It's like kind of luster with the

930
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: audience because there was a.

931
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 2: Lot of hair jokes. I never got one of my fa.

932
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 1: They say they were always fucking hilarious though, so I was.

933
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: It was great.

934
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 2: I was like, where is Ian coming up with this?

935
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:55,720
Speaker 2: It's like, get out your thesaurus of hair jokes. Truly. Also,

936
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,240
Speaker 2: the funny thing was it was like your hair always

937
00:52:58,239 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 2: looked nice, Like she'd say this crazy stems, like his

938
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: hair looks normal, perfect, And yeah, I like that. She

939
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 2: hated it so much, but there was something wrong, Yes,

940
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 2: exactly she was. If you actually had bad hair and

941
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 2: then they were picking on it, it would have been

942
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 2: that wouldn't have been funny, though exactly exactly someone wanted

943
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 2: someone just wrote anything about working with Jama.

944
00:53:23,640 --> 00:53:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean how long you got exactly? Uh, just the

945
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 1: the kindest, most open hearted, beautiful and respectful not only actor,

946
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,719
Speaker 1: but just human being. I think I know she is

947
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: just she wears her heart er sleeve. She's so thoughtful,

948
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: she cares about the work, she cares about the person

949
00:53:53,440 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: she's working with, and she is just you know, Honestly,

950
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: if I if I missed one person from that show

951
00:54:02,640 --> 00:54:05,399
Speaker 1: the most, it would probably be her. Like I don't

952
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,479
Speaker 1: keep in touch with her very often, but I yeah,

953
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: I loved working with her. Every time I saw that

954
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: we had seen together. I think I put more attention

955
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: into those scenes because I know I knew that she

956
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 1: would always show up, and I really wanted to make

957
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: those scenes just as dynamic and as strong as as

958
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: can be because she I mean, she comes off as

959
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 1: a little you know on the show, like a little

960
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 1: ditzy little but she is. She was so present and

961
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 1: so in character and so just like she would just

962
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: give it every time. So I felt like I had

963
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: a really solid co partner to work off of.

964
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,520
Speaker 2: So she made it look so effortless.

965
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,240
Speaker 1: People talked to her every.

966
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,520
Speaker 2: Now and then, Yeah, because I'm obsessed with her, like

967
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 2: she's an excuse to see her. Two funny as people

968
00:54:56,680 --> 00:55:01,120
Speaker 2: I've ever met she's yeah, yeah, it's like you wouldn't

969
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: necessarily think it's exactly she says some crazy shit, but

970
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 2: you're right. She's really sweet and it makes for a

971
00:55:11,920 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 2: really good actor and a good scene partner because she's

972
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,200
Speaker 2: so giving, she's you know, and she she brings out

973
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:20,839
Speaker 2: the best in everybody, so you could definitely tell like

974
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: rewatching those scenes. I think the adult scenes stick out

975
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 2: to us more now because you know, back in the

976
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 2: day you're watching like, oh, what did we do and

977
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,960
Speaker 2: what clowning were we doing in this number? And you

978
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: know you're watching yourself. But to rewatch it through the

979
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:37,439
Speaker 2: lens of in the space and time that we've had,

980
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, wow, I get it, Like it was

981
00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: really it's really profound and different and exciting for us

982
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 2: to watch it now.

983
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: You're making me want to go back and start watching it.

984
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,279
Speaker 2: I know. I mean those first few seasons too were

985
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 2: just like it's it's really really great and the work

986
00:55:56,840 --> 00:56:00,840
Speaker 2: is really really good. Everybody really was giving it, So

987
00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 2: let us know if you do.

988
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: I will.

989
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,480
Speaker 2: Somebody asked, what do you miss the most about playing Will?

990
00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 1: Jeez? I know there's there's been like a lot of

991
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: backlash for that character, you know, in terms of of

992
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 1: his proximity to the students and all this stuff.

993
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 2: And of course that's a different time, no.

994
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 1: But I I I think at the time it did

995
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 1: take that personally. But yeah, so you're I'm an actor

996
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 1: showing up, saying my lines and being directed in a

997
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: way in a certain way. So I didn't like what

998
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:47,280
Speaker 1: the character became, I guess. But for me, I think

999
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,839
Speaker 1: the thing I loved most about Will, what I think

1000
00:56:53,120 --> 00:56:59,520
Speaker 1: was his proximity to to the kids. Because for me, personally,

1001
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:03,760
Speaker 1: I had like great mentors in my life and people

1002
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: that I just really you know, I knew them personally,

1003
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: like I knew their their kids. I went to their

1004
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:13,640
Speaker 1: kids baptisms and all these these things, and they were

1005
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: just like really just I was really involved in their

1006
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:20,360
Speaker 1: lives and them in mind. And I feel like that

1007
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 1: was Will Shuster, you know, even just cared so much. Yeah,

1008
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: out a a lens of twenty twenty four, where we are,

1009
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm like I said, I don't remember show

1010
00:57:31,560 --> 00:57:33,000
Speaker 1: that well, but I'm sure some of this stuff was

1011
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: a little probably creepy. But yeah, I come from a

1012
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:44,919
Speaker 1: time where, you know, having mentors meant so much.

1013
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, really.

1014
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: I was really proud of that, of being a mentor,

1015
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 1: and I think in the beginning I really wanted to

1016
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:55,440
Speaker 1: be a mentor to all of you as well in

1017
00:57:55,480 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: real life until I got scared. Oh but yeah, so

1018
00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: I uh yeah, I think the mentorship role was something

1019
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 1: that I really connected to.

1020
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hear that. Do you your favorite guest star?

1021
00:58:12,440 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: Oh that's a really tough one.

1022
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1023
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:17,560
Speaker 1: I think GP for me would would be my favorite.

1024
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:22,000
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah, I just loved her.

1025
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: You guys are great together. Yeah. It was really good.

1026
00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: But I mean I have so like, Okay, Kristen would

1027
00:58:27,400 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: be the top. Ye yeah, you know, yeah, I was

1028
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 1: really lucky with guest stars. I feel like I really

1029
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 1: got to like have some great scenes with with guest stars.

1030
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,040
Speaker 2: Yes, and yeah, you got to do all of this

1031
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 2: stuff with the guest stars. Well, somebody asked about dream On.

1032
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 2: It's like, you know Neil Patrick too, Like you guys,

1033
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: it's like unreal, so good.

1034
00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: That was fun. I just remember him. He was like

1035
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: hosting the Emmys that year.

1036
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: He was so like, what am I doing? It was

1037
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 2: so any hosts like the Oscars the night before or something.

1038
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: He did the Oscars yeh was it the Oscars. It

1039
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 2: was Oscars Emmys and we all went to the parties

1040
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:10,280
Speaker 2: and then we showed up to work the next day.

1041
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: He's like glowing and we're all like, oh, he has

1042
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,480
Speaker 2: like monologues and he's like, I'm not going to get.

1043
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:20,360
Speaker 1: This sorry, sorry guys in advance.

1044
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:22,360
Speaker 2: And then he won an Emmy. He's like, remember when

1045
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 2: I didn't remember my life?

1046
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 1: That's why I'm getting emmything because he won the Emmy

1047
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: for that episode.

1048
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:31,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my gosh, he.

1049
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: Was so great at it. And yeah, that that number

1050
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 1: in particular was one of the highlights. But also like

1051
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:42,800
Speaker 1: like Jama was is just like one of those giving

1052
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: people and just and we have gone on to like

1053
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: have just an amazing friendship. And you know now she's

1054
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 1: married to Brad and like.

1055
00:59:51,440 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love them. Yes, so yeah, it's great. Now

1056
00:59:56,120 --> 01:00:04,640
Speaker 2: she's family. She's family forever. Okay, so we ask everybody

1057
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 2: at the end of the episode, Oh.

1058
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,720
Speaker 1: Geez, one of these questions. Okay, here we go.

1059
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:14,080
Speaker 2: We're a self health podcast. No, I'm kidding, we should

1060
01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:18,840
Speaker 2: not be giving advice. No, what is the feeling that

1061
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 2: Glee leaves you with.

1062
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: Connections going out?

1063
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:36,760
Speaker 3: So I'm dead.

1064
01:00:41,520 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 1: It is so mixed. I don't have a single answer

1065
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: for that question. Like I said, it was the highest

1066
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 1: of highs and the lowest of lows. But when I

1067
01:00:53,880 --> 01:01:00,520
Speaker 1: look back at it, and I'm so proud. I'm proud

1068
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 1: of the impact that we had in society. I'm proud

1069
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 1: of all the things that we did for so many

1070
01:01:08,160 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: communities that were underserved or underrepresented. The show opened people's

1071
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:25,560
Speaker 1: eyes to diversity, to people who weren't the status quo,

1072
01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:29,840
Speaker 1: who looked different, who acted different, and and I feel

1073
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 1: like it was the beginning of such a revolution. And

1074
01:01:33,200 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 1: for me, that is so beautiful to have been at

1075
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 1: the kind of nucleus of that whole, you know thing.

1076
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 1: So I can't look back and be you know, I

1077
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 1: can complain about being overworked and you know, blah blah

1078
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah. But just like the impact,

1079
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:02,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing that will will stand the test of time.

1080
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: And for me, I think that is that's a beautiful thing.

1081
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Because most shows, most TV shows do not have an impact.

1082
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Speaker 1: They're they're binge worthy, they're fun, they're you know, you

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Speaker 1: might learn something, But there's there are a few and

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Speaker 1: far between shows that have like a cultural impact and

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Speaker 1: a societal people. So yeah, I love, I love being

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Speaker 1: a part of that legacy.

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Speaker 2: Beautiful, well said. Thank you for taking the time to

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Speaker 2: chat with us. This is it was just a podcast. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. If you

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Speaker 2: see anything on line, it's a lie.

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Speaker 1: Oh I can't wait wait to see what sound bites kids.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me and whatever. Glad we just

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Speaker 1: to catch up.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so good to see you. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: spending so much time with us. It's very sweet of you. Pleasure,

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Love.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let me too.

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Speaker 1: Bye.

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Speaker 2: Wow. Matt Mattie mo Mattie Morrison, mister shoot himself. You know,

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Speaker 2: what a joy, what a joy. He's a kind he's

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Speaker 2: a kind, soul calm. So yeah, it was very enlightening

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Speaker 2: to hear his his experience and for him to be

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Speaker 2: so honest about it, you know, because I think we

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Speaker 2: kind of, like he said, we separated around season four,

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Speaker 2: five six, like we didn't really see that much of

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Speaker 2: Matt and so you know, it was like we didn't

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Speaker 2: we didn't get the insights like we used to. We

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Speaker 2: didn't you know, we didn't get him as much and

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Speaker 2: I think we were so bogged down in our day

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Speaker 2: to day that we weren't. It wasn't like we had

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Speaker 2: time to even like hang out with him outside of work. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you'rest we were hanging out with whoever we were with

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Speaker 2: shooting well, I'm so grateful for Maddie to come and

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Speaker 2: share his experience. And I hope you guys can show

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Speaker 2: the episode and remember when you're talking about Shoe that

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Speaker 2: Matt is not Shoe. You don't hate Maddie. People don't,

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Speaker 2: though we can, but just just to be safe, you know,

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Speaker 2: people are very good about separating the two. I just

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Speaker 2: want to state it. Thank you, Matt Morrison, our mister

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Speaker 2: Shoe forever for joining us and that's what you really missed.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for listening and follow us on Instagram at and

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Speaker 2: that's what you really miss pod. Make sure to write

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Speaker 2: us a review and leave us five stars. See you

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Speaker 2: next time