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Speaker 1: I am surprised fairly frequently in sports. Mildly surprised. I'm
Speaker 1: rarely shocked. The Kansas City Chiefs dominating from the opening
Speaker 1: play of the game the Ravens. This Ravens team qualifies
Speaker 1: as a bit of a jaw dropper. I mean, let
Speaker 1: me start with this. At the moment I'm reading this,
Speaker 1: we're left with three offensive coaches, no pure defensive coaches
Speaker 1: again at the end of the season. And Harball is
Speaker 1: kind of a special teams guy. That offensive output that
Speaker 1: he okayed John Harbaugh, Gus Edward touches the ball. Things happen,
Speaker 1: not used. They bailed on the run. Isaiah Lively terrific
Speaker 1: last seven games. Did they have a singular play design
Speaker 1: for him? It's amazing to watch what happened. Baltimore just
Speaker 1: bailed on the run game. I mean, that would be
Speaker 1: like watching the Niners and saying, yeah, they didn't use
Speaker 1: McCaffrey much and played a real finesse game. Their makeup
Speaker 1: is physicality and heavy. McCaffrey use. You know Detroit, they
Speaker 1: they love the drop back, Jared Goff protect him, big playoffense.
Speaker 1: Kansas City. I'll get to them in a second. We
Speaker 1: know what they are in big games. But the story
Speaker 1: of this game, and I know Chiefs fans want credit,
Speaker 1: what was that game plan? It didn't make sense for
Speaker 1: three and a half hours. They didn't run the ball.
Speaker 1: And it's not like Gus Edwards as a backup running
Speaker 1: back isn't capable. He makes stuff happen. He's terrific. I
Speaker 1: sat there and I just now. Also, you also saw
Speaker 1: what champions do. They create pressure, They score first, they
Speaker 1: take the crowd out of it. They put second half
Speaker 1: pressure on Baltimore. Zay Flowers melts down, Roe Kwan Smith,
Speaker 1: personal foul, melts down, Lamar Jackson end zone interception, bad one,
Speaker 1: melts down. They lost their composure. So Baltimore is a really, really,
Speaker 1: really good regular season team. But I thought they looked immature.
Speaker 1: I didn't think they played smart football. I thought they
Speaker 1: were completely outclassed between Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelcey
Speaker 1: and Spags a masterclass, a complete and utter mismatch and
Speaker 1: You know, I'm a Harbaugh fan, Jim and John, but
Speaker 1: to sign off on that, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: to make of it. Like younger teams do lose their
Speaker 1: composure that happens, Lamar should not be making that throw
Speaker 1: at this point in his career. But I mean, once again,
Speaker 1: Kansas City, what did the Kansas City staff sign off on?
Speaker 1: A lot of Travis Kelcey, run the ball, Pachecko, Rashi Rice.
Speaker 1: You know, they put the ball in the hands of
Speaker 1: their stars. Also, what did they do? They got a good,
Speaker 1: pretty good pass rush, pressure, pressure, pressure, pressure, so their
Speaker 1: game plan was get it to our stars pressure. The Ravens,
Speaker 1: a power running football team average about one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty a game, deviated completely from their DNA, and John
Speaker 1: Harbaugh apparently signed off on it and didn't really adjust.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have notes here that it just there
Speaker 1: were and there were moments. I mean, Lamar catching his
Speaker 1: own deflection was a top five play. But I really
Speaker 1: felt when the Chiefs took a fourteen to seven lead
Speaker 1: and they had that nine minute drive in the second quarter,
Speaker 1: it was like, Okay, had you not watched the game
Speaker 1: and you said, well, Kansas City leads fourteen to seven.
Speaker 1: That'd be one thing, but to completely by that time,
Speaker 1: they had established their offensive line was pushing the Ravens around.
Speaker 1: I thought that drive was like first time, I thought, well,
Speaker 1: that's a problem, Like this is a problem. One team,
Speaker 1: the one with Mahomes and Kelsey, decided we're going to
Speaker 1: run the ball. We're going to be really physical. The
Speaker 1: physical team decided we're going to pass the ball. We're
Speaker 1: going to deviate from who we are. In fact, my
Speaker 1: notes here third quarter Ravens bailing on the run. Why
Speaker 1: aren't they running? Ravens first drive met largest Baltimore deficit
Speaker 1: in thirty one games, seventeen to seven, which is again
Speaker 1: that's why it's shocking. Again, if you would have told
Speaker 1: me this game was a go either way game, Mahomes
Speaker 1: wins it late. That's one thing. This wasn't as close,
Speaker 1: Thank god for some good field position edges by Baltimore.
Speaker 1: They had opportunities, and so a lot of times Kansas
Speaker 1: City was pinned a few times deep in the second
Speaker 1: half when they're not going to take big, big chances. Right,
Speaker 1: they were controlling it. By halftime, it had been established
Speaker 1: that Kansas City was dominating the line of scrimmage. They
Speaker 1: were doing what they wanted running the football and Baltimore
Speaker 1: could not protect Lamar Jackson. And I also wrote this
Speaker 1: down coaching mismatch. Three offensive coaches left. Again. I know
Speaker 1: I say this and I beat on it all the time,
Speaker 1: but go look at the top quarterbacks in this league.
Speaker 1: We love Josh Allen defensive coach. Once again, look at
Speaker 1: that game planned by the Bills, everything behind the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. Non offensive coach John Harbaugh signing off on
Speaker 1: that game plan brutal. I'm just really bad, and I
Speaker 1: think we have to be honest about this. Listen, when
Speaker 1: you go against Mahomes, he can shrink everybody like Garoppolo
Speaker 1: got so much heat for miss that deep ball against
Speaker 1: Kansas City, and part of the reasons because Mahomes wouldn't
Speaker 1: have missed it. Mahomes puts enormous pressure on you. Plays
Speaker 1: with a lot of leads. Can also come from behind
Speaker 1: and play. But I thought you juxtapose Lamar, who I
Speaker 1: defend at every corner, and Mahomes, and I know Mahomes
Speaker 1: is better. Lamarro win the MVP based on regular season output,
Speaker 1: where he was better than Mahomes in many statistical categories,
Speaker 1: but he's got more weapons, more consistent weapons. There was
Speaker 1: a huge gap between those two quarterbacks. And I think
Speaker 1: it's fair, and I hate to say this, but I
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that Lamar melted down late
Speaker 1: and now this is becoming his reputation. But he's an
Speaker 1: enormously dynamic regular season quarterback. You know what he is.
Speaker 1: He's the opposite of Eli Manning. Eli Manning had two
Speaker 1: of the great playoff runs of all time, beat Brady
Speaker 1: and Belichick super Bowls, great last drives to win. But
Speaker 1: in the regular season, you're like, Eh, Lamar's unbelievable regular
Speaker 1: season now, but we are now left with he's not
Speaker 1: the same quarterback in the postseason. And I hate to
Speaker 1: say it. It drives me nuts. I've never paralyzed by
Speaker 1: being wrong, but I really thought, Okay, this team's different.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: But the coaching staff for Baltimore has to look in
Speaker 1: the mirror. I mean, I've been banging on Buffalo's coaching
Speaker 1: staff where it's all Josh Allen, and I felt a
Speaker 1: lot of this game. The Baltimore coaching staff just said, Lamar,
Speaker 1: make a play. I mean, Gus Edwards, you're just going
Speaker 1: to pretend he didn't have an enormously successful second half
Speaker 1: of the season. You're tied in that replaced Mark Edwards.
Speaker 1: You're gonna look as if he didn't have a tremendously
Speaker 1: successful second year in the NFL. Meanwhile, the offensive ingenuity,
Speaker 1: game planning, play designing of Andy Reid Rashi Rice every
Speaker 1: few weeks just got better, better, better better. Then you
Speaker 1: look up and you're like, yeah, that's a number one
Speaker 1: receiver in the NFL. Didn't start the year that way,
Speaker 1: thought he was a two. But again, an offensive coach,
Speaker 1: the soft, velvety touch, improving Travis Kelsey, Patrick Mahomes, I
Speaker 1: thought trusted his offensive tackles more. Today, Notice how Kansas
Speaker 1: City just keeps getting better offensively, more refined sandpaper, the
Speaker 1: edges off, and in the biggest spot, Baltimore goes backwards.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the difference between the great offensive coaches,
Speaker 1: the Shanahan's, the mcveigh's, the Andy Reids. I think Sean
Speaker 1: Payton what he did with Russell Wilson this year, say
Speaker 1: what you want, but it was a massive leap in
Speaker 1: quality very quickly. They just have a feel for it.
Speaker 1: And again, it's one thing to lose that you got
Speaker 1: to answer some questions. I mean, if you're John Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: you got to answer some questions. There's losing and then
Speaker 1: there's that right. And I don't want people to think
Speaker 1: you're not giving Kansas City credit. No, they are a champion, absolutely,
Speaker 1: masterclass bags read Kelsey Mahomes. Nothing taken away, but you
Speaker 1: have to acknowledge the story was the collapse of Baltimore.
Speaker 1: I mean, what was my homes at one point thirteen
Speaker 1: or fourteen it was backyard catch. They weren't getting a
Speaker 1: pass rush. He was sort of manipulating and toying with him. It's,
Speaker 1: by the way, I'll never bet against Kansas City again.
Speaker 1: It's like the third time in a big game I've said, Okay,
Speaker 1: this year's Buffalo. What am I doing? Andy Reid is
Speaker 1: in a short list? Bill Walsh, Belichick, Andy Reid. I
Speaker 1: mean that list is getting shorter and shorter. Go back
Speaker 1: to September and October to this Kansas City offense. Weren't
Speaker 1: they averaging like seventeen a game. I mean it was
Speaker 1: bad and at the end of the year they still
Speaker 1: let the league in drops, but they got Tony out
Speaker 1: and Rashi Rice just kept developing and developing. And Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey was a monster tonight. He was you know what
Speaker 1: I really felt like I was watching. I felt like
Speaker 1: I was watching Michael Jordan's Skye Pippen. Phil Jackson backs
Speaker 1: up against the wall, nobody believes in them in a
Speaker 1: big game, and they come out and play their best
Speaker 1: game of the year easily, which they played pretty close
Speaker 1: to it, and it wasn't perfect. They had those holding
Speaker 1: calls at the end of the first half so they
Speaker 1: couldn't get into the end zone. But I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what the great ones do. We're all ready to
Speaker 1: bury them. I thought this was going to be a
Speaker 1: tweener year. It was stage one of the dynasty, gradually
Speaker 1: moving into stage two. And you just we saw it.
Speaker 1: You just you know, the spark plugs aren't all firing.
Speaker 1: It doesn't work. But never doubt any reading Mahomes, what
Speaker 1: spags read, what a staff, what a staff? I am
Speaker 1: excited for Kansas City. This isn't all dumping on Baltimore.
Speaker 1: It's not just the heart of a champion. That's a cliche.
Speaker 1: It's the execution of a champion thirteen or fourteen for Mahomes.
Speaker 1: I wrote it down at one point, Like, yeah, mahomes
Speaker 1: first incompletion, second quarter, next time, third down, Kelsey catch, Wow,
Speaker 1: nine minute drive. That's what champions do. Congrats Casey on though,
Speaker 1: another super Bowl. All right, here we go. Former NFL
Speaker 1: scout got a podcast at the volume three and out
Speaker 1: knows the Niners back and forth. You've already heard my
Speaker 1: preamble on that mess. That was the Baltimore Ravens. All right,
Speaker 1: thirty four to thirty one Niners, second super Bowl in
Speaker 1: five seasons. Overcame a seventeen point lead. So Dan Campbell's
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, barbecued because of his play calling.
Speaker 1: He's not my favorite coach. He never has been. He's
Speaker 1: much more of a player sensibility than like a coach
Speaker 1: than like a McVeigh who's young but is a coacha. Campbell,
Speaker 1: to me, this is who he is. He's built the
Speaker 1: culture on it. I get it. You know, here's my take.
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds drops fumbles, blown coverages. How much heat as
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell deserves, Colin.
Speaker 2: I listen, going forward to me is situational, and I
Speaker 2: understand a lot of times throughout the year, tie game
Speaker 2: up one score, week six, week ten. It's twenty four
Speaker 2: to ten, and you have the The Niners weren't on
Speaker 2: the ropes. They were falling out of the ring. I
Speaker 2: mean they were getting their ass kicked. You kick a
Speaker 2: field goal, you make it a three score game. So yeah,
Speaker 2: you could say it hit him in the hands. But
Speaker 2: this is you know, we see guys drop balls all
Speaker 2: the time. You have a chance to kick a field goal,
Speaker 2: they have to score three times. I would understand if
Speaker 2: it's like, hey, it only makes sixteen points, it's still
Speaker 2: a two score game. It would have made it a
Speaker 2: three score game, which at that point the Niners defense
Speaker 2: wasn't playing well their offense. It would have it gave
Speaker 2: the Niners. And let's face it, the Niners had no
Speaker 2: life because party was up and down in the first half,
Speaker 2: mainly down defense was atrocious. He didn't have to go
Speaker 2: with four and fourth down the first half because he
Speaker 2: was getting first downs in like second down every single series, right,
Speaker 2: they were like five to seven on third down. He
Speaker 2: was killing them.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd said this to you and on FS one
Speaker 1: ten times this year. The star of the Lions is
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes, the GM. It's not the quarterback. It's not
Speaker 1: Dan Campbell. He's not McVey or Shanahan, and Goff isn't
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes or even Herbert. He's one of the last
Speaker 1: true pocket guys in the league. I mean, Perty looked
Speaker 1: like Lamar Jackson in the second half compared to Golf.
Speaker 1: So my takeaway is I still think the strength of
Speaker 1: this team is not the coach of the quarterback, though
Speaker 1: I really do like Golf. It's the players. They remind
Speaker 1: me of a younger version of the Niners. But you know,
Speaker 1: I think if you'd have said all year long, what
Speaker 1: worried you about Detroit, it never would have been the talent.
Speaker 1: Everybody's secondary gets gashed. I mean, the Chiefs are one
Speaker 1: of the few teams you would have said, oh, Dan
Speaker 1: Campbell's coaching or golf doesn't come through. Wasn't that sort
Speaker 1: of what happened.
Speaker 2: I will say this though, Colin, it does come down
Speaker 2: to your coordinators. You know in the playoffs, we saw
Speaker 2: it in Baltimore and Kansas City. Yeah. Right, this game,
Speaker 2: Ben Johnson, the offensive coordinator, was by far the star
Speaker 2: of the game. Through two and a half quarters. He
Speaker 2: was unstoppable and you have a chance to me the
Speaker 2: two making it seventeen points now listen. Kyle said at
Speaker 2: the beginning of the week, this is part of playing
Speaker 2: Dan Campbell. He gets it on you. It can be crushing,
Speaker 2: but if your defense gets it and you're in a
Speaker 2: position where you're down, it swings it and it swung it,
Speaker 2: and I'm with you, like listen, Dan Campbell's not calling
Speaker 2: the place right. Dan Campbell is there to give the
Speaker 2: thumbs up or thumbs down on that. And I'm a
Speaker 2: huge believer in like us, he did the right thing.
Speaker 2: It's not about the end results bullshit. This is an
Speaker 2: end result sport, and when you don't get it in
Speaker 2: a win or go home situation, I have no problem
Speaker 2: touring the season. I do think situationally, second half NFC Championship,
Speaker 2: when you're beating the crap out of a team and
Speaker 2: you're at the underdog seven point lead, I would kind
Speaker 2: of understand it, like, really, try you're up fourteen points, Colin,
Speaker 2: I mean the seventeen points. It would have deflated the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, but that swing gave him life. But
Speaker 2: like you said, Dan Campbell lives by the sword, and
Speaker 2: sometimes the sword gets stuck right into his belly.
Speaker 1: So I thought it was interesting because you know, brock
Speaker 1: Purdy I think is he's a fairly limited thrower. He's okay,
Speaker 1: the pocket collapsed, he threw a really ugly pick at
Speaker 1: one point in the game. I have it written down
Speaker 1: some here. Yeah, it was brock Purtty in the second quarter.
Speaker 1: Pocket collapse. And he's just not the kind of guy
Speaker 1: that could sit in there stand over it. He's small
Speaker 1: without a huge arm. But I did think in the
Speaker 1: second half and it felt like he was told by
Speaker 1: Shanahan they do some mann a man here run because
Speaker 1: it looked very in intentional to me by brought pretty
Speaker 1: in the second half, like it wasn't just hey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna I'm gonna go. He played with a script in
Speaker 1: the first half, wasn't working second half of it Almost
Speaker 1: looks like Shanahan said, listen, don't don't be afraid to move. Okay,
Speaker 1: don't be afraid to move. It'll soften up the defense.
Speaker 1: That's what it looked like to me. Do you think
Speaker 1: it was just him going or had there was some
Speaker 1: intention to it.
Speaker 2: I think he's a pretty instinctive player, right because he
Speaker 2: has to overcome heigh limitations and arm limitations. So one
Speaker 2: thing he's done all season long and listen through two
Speaker 2: quarters in this game, and through the majority of the
Speaker 2: Packer game, I think everyone was thinking, is this guy
Speaker 2: their long term quarterback? You can't play with this guy
Speaker 2: in big games, right, But this is why they believe
Speaker 2: in him. I mean, part of the evaluating quarterbacks. I'm
Speaker 2: sure we'll talk about it coming up to the draft,
Speaker 2: is the intangible stuff. The kids got some mox see,
Speaker 2: and he's got some toughness and mental toughness. He doesn't
Speaker 2: wilt because it would have been easy to go into
Speaker 2: the tank. I thought the first half he was playing
Speaker 2: like shit. I mean, he looked overwhelmed in the pocket.
Speaker 2: He looked bad some of the passes. I mean he
Speaker 2: was letting rip or flying over guy's heads. This is
Speaker 2: not raining today with seventy five degrees in the Levi Stadium.
Speaker 2: So I thought more that he's just an instinctive player
Speaker 2: and he just had to find a way, almost like
Speaker 2: I have to will myself to make some plays. And
Speaker 2: he's a pretty good athlete. I know a lot of
Speaker 2: people don't think. You know, part of the reason they
Speaker 2: moved off Trey Lance so quickly is because Purty was
Speaker 2: the better athlete, right, you know, he moves a lot better. Honestly,
Speaker 2: his movement is really an NFL. It's an underrated skill
Speaker 2: in the league because how many plays do the Niners
Speaker 2: make outside the script of the given play? Avoid some sacks.
Speaker 2: He's small, so he can kind of dip and run around. Obviously,
Speaker 2: he can run relatively quick in a straight angle, but
Speaker 2: he can move quick laterally keep some play that one
Speaker 2: play that he had the little lob to Jennings, but
Speaker 2: that can also get him in trouble, right, I mean
Speaker 2: you kind of live with the aggressive. He could kind
Speaker 2: of turn into a gun slinger. Well, one reason everyone
Speaker 2: had in Red Flag coming out of Iowa State. Now
Speaker 2: looking back, they were an under man team. He threw
Speaker 2: a lot of interceptions, yes, because he is willing to
Speaker 2: take some chances for a guy that doesn't exactly have
Speaker 2: far for Josh Allen's.
Speaker 1: Harm, you know, one of the things though they were
Speaker 1: a favorite. I thought, clearly Baltimore melted down late in
Speaker 1: the game, and I thought Detroit starting with Josh Reynolds
Speaker 1: drops melted down. And this is something that it really matters.
Speaker 1: San Francisco's got a veteran team Kansas City Andy Travis
Speaker 1: spags Mahomes. Mahlmes is now a veteran player. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is something to be said, John been there, done that,
Speaker 1: because I thought, I mean you could see, I mean
Speaker 1: when Lamar with that terrible throwing the end zone, Za Flowers,
Speaker 1: what in the hell is that? Rokwan Smith with a
Speaker 1: personal foul? And then I watched this game and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is this is nerves. I felt San Francisco melted
Speaker 1: a bit. Listen, there is this historic pressure. They've never
Speaker 1: met a Super Bowl. There's Jags, Houston, Brown's Lions, and
Speaker 1: not many of them left. I kind of felt like
Speaker 1: they melted.
Speaker 2: Well, I think you saw in the second half the
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers defense that they started playing with a
Speaker 2: different pace. They started flying to the ball. They definitely
Speaker 2: were more fundamentally sound. They weren't out of place constantly.
Speaker 2: That was happening in the first half. And obviously the
Speaker 2: Chiefs who have won Super Bowls, the Siner team hasn't
Speaker 2: won one, but this was They've been in this game
Speaker 2: four or five years, right, it was a huge deal
Speaker 2: for the lines to be here for the first time
Speaker 2: in thirty years, and you just see a championship level
Speaker 2: character and part of that, like you said, is just
Speaker 2: keeping your head, not attacking back, not swinging back when
Speaker 2: you get swung on, not you know, hanging your head
Speaker 2: when you miss a tackle. Because the Niners easily could
Speaker 2: have gone to the tank. I would say about fifty
Speaker 2: percent through this game. And I think they proved a
Speaker 2: lot like the Chiefs showed up to win, that they
Speaker 2: had that championship character, that championship blood. They showed up
Speaker 2: ready to kick ass, and they did throughout the whole game.
Speaker 2: The Niners got hit in the teeth immediately, and they
Speaker 2: were hanging on for dear life, and they just won't fold.
Speaker 2: And it gets back to a lot of the character
Speaker 2: of the guys from Deebo Samuel how many plays did
Speaker 2: he make in the second half, George Kittle, Fred Warner,
Speaker 2: and Drake Greenlaw making open field tackles, all their dbs
Speaker 2: who had given up huge plays and big runs early
Speaker 2: in the game, flying to the ball. So to me,
Speaker 2: there's a level of like coaches say this, no, NonStop,
Speaker 2: don't quit, don't you know, play the next play. These
Speaker 2: games come down a small even the Chiefs Ravens game,
Speaker 2: the score was it wasn't big, right seventeen to seven.
Speaker 2: You're you're a fumble and a touchdown away from being
Speaker 2: right in it. So you can't get down on yourself.
Speaker 2: You can't mail in plays and listen. I mailed in
Speaker 2: the Niners. I thought, listen this game. They're in major trouble,
Speaker 2: and they flipped the switch, starting with a Dan Campbell
Speaker 2: miss field or missed fourth down.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was listening. The first part of
Speaker 1: this game looked like a brilliant young OC working a
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator who replaced a great defensive coordinator in Demiko Ryans.
Speaker 1: I had a couple of GMS, a couple execs in
Speaker 1: the league. One of them a GM text me and
Speaker 1: they're like, boy, they missed Tomko Ryans, who was just
Speaker 1: you know, and he's a brilliant young head coach. And
Speaker 1: I thought when I watched them, I mean, Detroit and
Speaker 1: green Bay offensive coaches sort of offensive leaning cultures right now,
Speaker 1: are both very good first quarter teams. The quarterbacks, Golf
Speaker 1: and Jordan Love stay on script. Where Jordan Love can
Speaker 1: get in a little trouble is off script, little radic.
Speaker 1: Where Golf can get in trouble is sometimes playing from
Speaker 1: behind or if you can get pressure on him. I
Speaker 1: did think the Niners got better pressure on him, But
Speaker 1: if you go back to the first half of that game,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of Ben Johnson. First of all,
Speaker 1: Golf had all day. They were running, so the Niners
Speaker 1: couldn't pin their ears back. It is interesting. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think my takeaway in both games today, the one
Speaker 1: thing I'll say is for a seventh round, last pick
Speaker 1: and for an undersized guy, Purdy has been in so
Speaker 1: many games, high school, college and now pro. He's just
Speaker 1: had so many snaps that he's just kind of situationally,
Speaker 1: I see no higher low of him. I mean, if
Speaker 1: he goes to the podium, Johnny's unemotional. I've never seen
Speaker 1: him smile. He smiles less than Kawhi Leonard. Like he's
Speaker 1: just like he's just kind of static. That's not a
Speaker 1: terrible quality. He's not very emotional.
Speaker 2: Very mature guy. I mean, he's engaged at twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty four years old. I mean, I would say that's
Speaker 2: not typical for NFL quarterbacks in twenty twenty four in
Speaker 2: the modern day culture. One thing, you know, speaking of
Speaker 2: the two quarterbacks in the second game, if you just
Speaker 2: put him in a pocket, untouched GoF throws a better ball.
Speaker 2: He can see much easier Quar five. But the game
Speaker 2: as games get uglier and as you can generate some
Speaker 2: pressure and things just it's football. Things don't go as planned.
Speaker 2: You need to be able to make some plays with
Speaker 2: your legs. Jared Goff just cannot. Kirk Cousins cannot. And
Speaker 2: that is one element that Kyle, who likes Kyle, would
Speaker 2: like Jared Goff. But there is an element of having
Speaker 2: just an athletic quarterback. You don't need to be Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: You just need to be able to move.
Speaker 1: That's why they drafted Trey Lambs. They so Brock gives
Speaker 1: them that. And it's funny when they got Trey Lance,
Speaker 1: what I had heard in the building was he's not
Speaker 1: as athletic as we thought.
Speaker 2: No, he's slow. And that's you know, there are always
Speaker 2: a thing in scouting about time, speed or athletic ability.
Speaker 2: If you went to watch a guy play basketball or
Speaker 2: a guy at the combine, you know, the combines in
Speaker 2: a month or whatever, all these guys run fast forty times.
Speaker 2: And then there are guys like Saint Brown, who I
Speaker 2: don't know what his forty time is, but he plays
Speaker 2: really fast Deebo runs a four or five five, we'll
Speaker 2: put the ball in his hands. No one catches him. Right.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what brock Purty runs, but I
Speaker 2: know when he scrambles or when he moves behind the pocket,
Speaker 2: he moves fast enough to get away from some guys.
Speaker 2: Now he can't run away from everybody, but his play
Speaker 2: speed is really good. And this gets back to instincts
Speaker 2: and to me, instinctive football players. The Lions have a
Speaker 2: lot of them, you know, I mean they really do.
Speaker 2: They have a fast team, so do the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Fred Warner plays really fast and Drake Greenlaw played really
Speaker 2: fast because they're instinctive players. I mean, they're good athletes.
Speaker 2: But when you can read and you know what's coming,
Speaker 2: I mean, these players in the NFL have been talking
Speaker 2: about this the history since I've been alive, about knowing
Speaker 2: what's coming, preparing it helps you play faster. And then
Speaker 2: there's the upper level of like the truly great instinctive players,
Speaker 2: and obviously the forty nine ers are full of them, right,
Speaker 2: I mean they just are from Kittle to Deebo to
Speaker 2: I think their coach, you know, when he gets in
Speaker 2: a rhythm, Kyle's weird, right. Ben Johnson has just been
Speaker 2: red hot all season long. Kyle can have game for
Speaker 2: you feel like got it? What's he doing? And then
Speaker 2: today it just kind of flipped and then he got
Speaker 2: his mojo and the rest was history.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he tends to get a little tied to his script,
Speaker 1: and I think what happened today John is he did
Speaker 1: against Green Bay. He kind of gets stuck to his
Speaker 1: script because you know, he's a smart guy and thinks
Speaker 1: my script's better than your script. We're staying with it today.
Speaker 1: He didn't have a choice, No, he had. They had
Speaker 1: a couple of tachos. Yeah, yeah, I mean when you're
Speaker 1: they So they got lucky with with Dan Campbell's recklessness.
Speaker 1: So my guess is Kansas City would be favored by
Speaker 1: about two.
Speaker 2: I think Niners line's already out the other way. Niners
Speaker 2: are favored by two, which is insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, I would I would take Kansas City, wouldn't you.
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't bet two weeks for Andy Reid
Speaker 1: to prepare. Look at the numbers.
Speaker 2: I don't know about you. I was kicking myself. I
Speaker 2: put money on the Ravens and obviously, I mean shit,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid had me to his house for Thanksgiving. I've
Speaker 2: seen the guy up close, and I can't believe I
Speaker 2: did it. And you knew right away here, like, how
Speaker 2: did anyone even think that the Chiefs didn't have a chance.
Speaker 2: I didn't think they didn't have a chance. But the
Speaker 2: way that game went was just classic, Like this is
Speaker 2: Belichick and Brady, but the twenty twenties version, and it
Speaker 2: was just I would never bet against this team now.
Speaker 2: I do think the forty nine ers you know in
Speaker 2: theory should be much more mentally capable. The Ravens melted
Speaker 2: down neutral Site. They're better in a dome. But Mahomes,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw the stat he has
Speaker 2: as many playoff wins now as Elway and Peyton Manning.
Speaker 2: He has as many playoff wins at twenty eight years
Speaker 2: old as Peyton Manning and John Elway's career. He's too
Speaker 2: away from Joe Montana.
Speaker 1: Here's what's remarkable. So let's go and talk Kansas City Baltimore.
Speaker 1: So what you saw with an offensive coach, and you
Speaker 1: saw this with McVeigh this year and Matt Lafleur, that
Speaker 1: you had a flawed team and there was a unit
Speaker 1: or a part of the team. With McVay it was
Speaker 1: the offensive line. With Lafleur, it was the quarterback, and
Speaker 1: with Andy it was the wide receivers. You watched real
Speaker 1: coaching over three months that mvs. Rashi Rice is a
Speaker 1: one all three. At the Rams o line was a
Speaker 1: train wreck. Early McVay offensive coach salved the riddle. Lafleur
Speaker 1: over eight weeks. Jordan Love was a bust to a star,
Speaker 1: and I thought, this receiving, this is what they can do.
Speaker 1: This is what McDermott drives us crazy, is that basically
Speaker 1: what you saw with the Rams, Packers and Chiefs was
Speaker 1: a their very best football by the end of the
Speaker 1: year offensively. Yet John Harbaughs signed off on that game plan.
Speaker 1: All Gus Edwards does is make plays. They ignored him.
Speaker 1: Isaiah Lively, they ignored him, and it was like, to me,
Speaker 1: it's the opposite that what Baltimore their basic DNA all season.
Speaker 1: And then you got into the game and Hardball signed
Speaker 1: off in this game plan and by the way halftime,
Speaker 1: no changes. They abandon the run totally. So they went
Speaker 1: This is what drives me nuts is that offensive coaches
Speaker 1: old Lions, young quarterbacks backup quarterbacks receiving course, they can
Speaker 1: fix shit over the course of a season. I watched
Speaker 1: I watched that Todd Monkin hardball performance today. That right,
Speaker 1: and again I'm not saying Kansas City Spags doesn't deserve credit,
Speaker 1: but the game plan and the play calling. They basically said,
Speaker 1: like Buffalo does, Hey, Lamar, go make great plays.
Speaker 2: In throwing the ball in the pocket. Right to me,
Speaker 2: last week, Josh Allen ran all over the place, especially
Speaker 2: outside the numbers, you know, or outside the tackle box.
Speaker 2: So I thought, well, if he's going to do that,
Speaker 2: could Lamar run for one hundred and twenty yards? Willy
Speaker 2: gaze out today that they did the opposite. They just
Speaker 2: tried to force feed the pass against a team that
Speaker 2: actually can ant like they have a lot of very
Speaker 2: talented defensive backs. Their linebackers were struggling to catch Josh
Speaker 2: Allen last week. Lamar's faster, So why wouldn't you have
Speaker 2: design power runs outside both They just never did it.
Speaker 2: I thought the first half part of that game plan,
Speaker 2: and let's face it, the game felt over at halftime,
Speaker 2: was one of the most embarrassing in recent memory. They
Speaker 2: just had somewhat of you know, the blueprint last week
Speaker 2: with Buffalo how to use a running quarterback against these
Speaker 2: guys and be very successful, and they did the opposite.
Speaker 2: The other thing that really hit me, do you know
Speaker 2: who might be the best coordinator in all of football?
Speaker 2: If you factor in, you're never going to lose him.
Speaker 2: No one is ever going to hire Steve Spagnola to
Speaker 2: be their head coach. It's never going to happen. So
Speaker 2: Andy Reid has a defensive coordinator who's clearly one of
Speaker 2: the best in the league that he ever ever has
Speaker 2: to worry about being hired to be a head coach.
Speaker 2: This isn't college. It's not like someone else can coach him.
Speaker 2: He basically just gets that as defensive coordinator. If he
Speaker 2: wants to coach another five years, this guy gets to
Speaker 2: just stay with him. Think of what a luxury that
Speaker 2: is what SPACs is doing these last five years, especially
Speaker 2: the last couple since their defense has gotten good. If
Speaker 2: he was a forty one year old named John Smith,
Speaker 2: he would have interviewed for four jobs or even as
Speaker 2: a defensive coach all around the league. No one touch,
Speaker 2: no one even pick up the phone, no one will,
Speaker 2: so Andy doesn't even have to worry about that, and
Speaker 2: like you said, the offense is always gonna be taken
Speaker 2: care of. And I'll promise you this. I still think
Speaker 2: the Niers might win the Super Bowl. But this Chiefs
Speaker 2: team will never be as bad as they are. Offensively again, yeah,
Speaker 2: because they're gonna get better. But defensively, you know you're
Speaker 2: in good hands because your defensive coordinator is elite. He's
Speaker 2: taken out Belichick.
Speaker 1: At multiple Super Bowls.
Speaker 2: I mean he's won super Bowls now with Andy. He
Speaker 2: changed their culture defensively, and he's not gonna leave.
Speaker 1: This is New England Scarnakia after Josh McDaniel's bombed as
Speaker 1: a head coach. Part of what made them great was
Speaker 1: this institutional this institutional cohesion and knowledge. Brady Dante, Scarnectia,
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels, Matthew Slater on special teams. Jesus,
Speaker 1: it was these like six seminal guys that were the
Speaker 1: best in the world at what they did. And I
Speaker 1: think to your point, I think, you know, monk and
Speaker 1: may lose his job after that, But I think what
Speaker 1: we forget about this because I don't think Green Bay
Speaker 1: wanted to get rid of Joe Berry. I think they
Speaker 1: had to there's such an outcry, but Green Bay's been
Speaker 1: one of those places historically that you know, players don't
Speaker 1: get in a ton of trouble. You know you're not
Speaker 1: going to overspend on free agents, no crazy owner. You
Speaker 1: got to draft and develop. Green Bays had a thirty
Speaker 1: year continuity of offensive coaches, drafting and develop. No chaos
Speaker 1: at quarterback. I mean, now it looks like they're going
Speaker 1: to get another twelve, but Jordan Love, they're going to
Speaker 1: go almost fifty herds with no quarterback. Cast Marino left Miami,
Speaker 1: they've still never replaced him.
Speaker 2: The cohesion in the NFL is not normal. Look at
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan. He's on his third defensive coordinator and what
Speaker 2: three years right, Sala got a job. Demko's there too,
Speaker 2: and now he's on Wilks, who at halftime looked like
Speaker 2: he might have been on his fourth. But I think
Speaker 2: Andy look at their cores right. Obviously, Spags now has
Speaker 2: been there over this four or five year run since
Speaker 2: they've been really good under Mahomes, and they You ultimately
Speaker 2: have to choose a couple players around your quarterback, and
Speaker 2: you got to get it right. And for twenty plus years,
Speaker 2: Belichick always got it right. Well, they made a decision, right,
Speaker 2: They got rid of Tyreek, but they just stuck with
Speaker 2: Travis who was easy to because he doesn't make that
Speaker 2: much money. He's a great player. And Chris Jones. So
Speaker 2: their corps was basically one of the great quarterbacks of
Speaker 2: all time, one of the greatest tight ends of all time,
Speaker 2: and one of the greatest interior pass rushers we've ever seen.
Speaker 2: And then they've just built it around there with great cohesion.
Speaker 2: At coaching. Matt Naggie leaves, he gets fired, immediately comes
Speaker 2: back right, So a lot like the Josh McDaniels thing.
Speaker 2: You know, this guy who the quarterback knows cohesions and
Speaker 2: underrated part. And now Andy Reid historically has been used
Speaker 2: to losing a lot of coaches, right, and he's comfortable
Speaker 2: doing it. But right now I think they got something
Speaker 2: special with the players and the coaches of everyone's on
Speaker 2: the stae the Niners have a lot of that going
Speaker 2: for him. With the players, right, Kyle and this group
Speaker 2: of players have all been together now for four or
Speaker 2: five plus years.
Speaker 1: That matters. Oh you saw it in the second half
Speaker 1: a corse, it matter you saw it. So it's interesting.
Speaker 2: Against rookie who's fantastic fumbled the ball. Christian McCaffrey ain't
Speaker 2: fumbling the ball today.
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers late rookie bonehead, plays like it matters all
Speaker 1: this stuff. I mean, in fact, you could argue Gibbs
Speaker 1: and Zay Flowers made the big mistakes of the game.
Speaker 1: Great young players. So it's in Detroit. It's interesting because
Speaker 1: they could take a step back when Ben Johnson leaves.
Speaker 1: He's that good where everything can come back down to
Speaker 1: earth if you hire the wrong coordinator. Nick Sirianni and
Speaker 1: Philly is a great example. You miss replacing a brilliant
Speaker 1: oc it's a different everybody comes back down to earth.
Speaker 1: I was thinking about my homes today. Though when he
Speaker 1: started the game he didn't have an incompletion to the
Speaker 1: second quarter. Is that I don't think we've ever seen
Speaker 1: anything like this. Peyton Manning, as good as he was,
Speaker 1: was a teeth clencher. Elway had some really bad big games.
Speaker 1: Brady was mostly an early game manager. I can say
Speaker 1: it now. Mahomes is the greatest quarterback I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I can say it, and I've watched Marino and Elway.
Speaker 1: You know I love Brady now. Brady's more productive. But
Speaker 1: what we're watching here, as a player that against the
Speaker 1: best defenses, in the highest leverage moments, the biggest audience,
Speaker 1: the most pressure best defenses, is significantly better, not better,
Speaker 1: significantly better than he is in the regular season. His
Speaker 1: playoff numbers, they don't make sense. It would be like
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter was a three hundred hitter hitting three seventy
Speaker 1: in the postseason. It's like, wait time out, what are
Speaker 1: we doing here? When I watched Mahomes, I'm like, hey,
Speaker 1: this he made a throw today and it was Travis
Speaker 1: Kelsey made a great catch, but he was running. It
Speaker 1: was a muddy pocket. He moved forward and he just
Speaker 1: sent a little floater up and it was like Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: backyard football and it was completed. And I thought, nobody
Speaker 1: cares about that play. I honestly today in that environment
Speaker 1: juxtapos watching Lamar and him, and I'm like, if Lamar's
Speaker 1: number two in the league, the gap between those two
Speaker 1: is the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 2: Lamar's not number two in the league. Josh Allen is
Speaker 2: and you listen. They're never gonna go on record and
Speaker 2: say this, but I'll promise you Josh and Spags have
Speaker 2: more fear face in Josh Allen than they do Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 2: Like that. It's not crushing the guy. He had a
Speaker 2: great season, but he's not as good as those two guys.
Speaker 2: And it was on full display today. It was on
Speaker 2: display the first half a week ago against the Houston Texas,
Speaker 2: like he can be rattled really easy. And to me, Mahomes,
Speaker 2: to me, I'm with you. The Brady thing, it's gonna
Speaker 2: be hard even if he wins a couple more to
Speaker 2: ever gets to the six.
Speaker 1: It's like Lebron and MJ because it's just there's so
Speaker 1: much production and titles and trophies from MJ. But Lebron
Speaker 1: does significantly more things better than MJ.
Speaker 2: I mean last night he was have like twenty rebounds
Speaker 2: against the Warors. It was incredible. He's got gray hair
Speaker 2: over his face, He's got twenty rebounds beating the worst.
Speaker 2: The thing that Mahomes does that parallels Brady to a
Speaker 2: t is in these big moments. Now he can do
Speaker 2: a sexier play because he can move around in the pocket.
Speaker 2: Tom could not. They never fuck up, they just refuse.
Speaker 2: And in the second half, and Romo kind of mentioned
Speaker 2: this is it's unsexy to say this word. But when
Speaker 2: you get a lead in a big spot, the game
Speaker 2: manager aspect, or maybe Bill Coward did, He's like he
Speaker 2: game managed like a Hall of Fame player. I'm not
Speaker 2: No one on the other team is touching the ball,
Speaker 2: anyone around me. I'm either getting rid of the ball,
Speaker 2: throwing out of bounds. You're gonna have to beat us,
Speaker 2: but you're not gonna beat us because I give you something.
Speaker 2: And Tom and the Patriots were elite at that. Peyton
Speaker 2: would screw up. He would throw the ball to the
Speaker 2: other team. Sometimes had some awful interceptions in some big games. Right,
Speaker 2: the teeth get tight, he gets loose, but he's very
Speaker 2: under control. A lot like Tom. It's like they're super focused,
Speaker 2: but they're very calm and loose. It's I mean, how
Speaker 2: many guys in the history of sports have had that,
Speaker 2: like Tiger, Michael Tom. It's a tiny, tiny list. Derek
Speaker 2: Jeter in the playoffs, maybe big poppy. Most guys just
Speaker 2: naturally get a little tight. You saw Jared Goff like it.
Speaker 2: He just kind of got felt a little tighter. Lamar,
Speaker 2: the pressure you can feel it. You don't even need
Speaker 2: to be at the game. You can feel it on
Speaker 2: the TV. You're like, God, this drives huge. And then
Speaker 2: if you don't get a second and eight, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, like third and eight, you're like, h The
Speaker 2: coaches clench up, everyone clenches up. And this is where
Speaker 2: the championship blood and the championship medal. I saw it
Speaker 2: when I lived in the barrier with the San Fransco Giants.
Speaker 2: It all starts at the top. And I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, if you talk to anyone that plays for him,
Speaker 2: they're like his team meetings after loss, his wins. They
Speaker 2: all feel the same. He's not a yeller and a screamer.
Speaker 2: He does not invoke tightness anytime you're around him. He's
Speaker 2: naturally kind of loose. He's not a big screamer, but
Speaker 2: you know, enjoy but he's not a big downer in
Speaker 2: the negative times. So I think it all starts with him,
Speaker 2: and he has the perfect quarterback for him. But to me, Patrick,
Speaker 2: the maturity today to be in full control on the
Speaker 2: road against a great defense, Like you said early in
Speaker 2: that game, that dot he threw to Kelsey down the
Speaker 2: scene was like, oh my god. It was like it
Speaker 2: would have been like watching Michael Jordan ninety seven or
Speaker 2: ninety eight, Like, good luck, guys, you're in for one.
Speaker 1: How about the throw to Kelsey when Kyle Hamilton he
Speaker 1: was on a single side by himself and it was
Speaker 1: a first Kelsey made a hell of a play first
Speaker 1: time all year a tight end beat Kyle Hamilton for
Speaker 1: a touchdown. And after that throw, I'm like, he's on one.
Speaker 2: Isn't Kelsey? Also, we talk a lot about Mahomes and Andy,
Speaker 2: but think about Kelsey all year long. You're like, huh,
Speaker 2: is this gonna be his last year on the Chiefs?
Speaker 2: Are they gonna ask him toke a pay cut? Like
Speaker 2: he's kind of getting old. What happens when the playoffs
Speaker 2: start looks like the Hall of Fame a minus guy.
Speaker 2: Now he's not may not be as dominant as he
Speaker 2: once was in at thirty two thirty. He was great today,
Speaker 2: but he's still It's like a throwback like Scotti pit,
Speaker 2: like Michael Michael looking at him like I need you
Speaker 2: and Travis like I'm ready, And he said it all
Speaker 2: week He's like, I've never wanted a game more than
Speaker 2: this game. Like these guys, their level of focus and
Speaker 2: obviously their talent is second to none. But today there
Speaker 2: it was watching greatness like that. That game was Were
Speaker 2: you shocked? You didn't think they would dominate like that?
Speaker 2: Did you like the chief?
Speaker 1: So basically the Niners Lions looked exactly like I thought.
Speaker 1: I said on Friday, I said, Detroit will probably take
Speaker 1: the lead. They're a great first half team. Ben Johnson,
Speaker 1: I said, perty you'll play from behind, It'll be good.
Speaker 1: It'll be close. If thebo plays, I said, he'll make
Speaker 1: two or three big plays and they'll I think I
Speaker 1: predicted the score would be thirty four to twenty eight
Speaker 1: or thirty four to twenty seven. So that game, now,
Speaker 1: I didn't expect the meltdown in the huge lead, but
Speaker 1: the final result was San Francisco just made more big plays.
Speaker 1: Their physicality took over. Detroit was not quite ready in
Speaker 1: the moment. That's what I thought I would see it.
Speaker 1: Just how we got there was different.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I do not remember ever a playoff game with what
Speaker 1: I perceived to be a great team being more wrong
Speaker 1: that game. First of all, my entire belief on the
Speaker 1: game was, Oh, they're going to pound the rock, make
Speaker 1: mahomes sit on the sideline. And it was Kansas City
Speaker 1: that had a nine minute drive. I know the game
Speaker 1: looked the opposite of what I look like at.
Speaker 2: The time of possession. I remember they put it on
Speaker 2: the screen one time. You're like, this is insane.
Speaker 1: It's insane. And they abandoned the run. Like I thought
Speaker 1: it was going to be. Baltimore lead, Kansas City can't
Speaker 1: quite keep it. In the end, Baltimore couldn't score. They
Speaker 1: abandoned they They didn't abandon the run. They never ran,
Speaker 1: they never attempted to run. So that game, that game, Okay,
Speaker 1: So let's talk about this.
Speaker 2: How do you match the experience with the coaches on
Speaker 2: Kansas City When you think about Andy's now been in
Speaker 2: the league for thirty plus years and all the stagnola
Speaker 2: can it can lean back on the games against Belichick
Speaker 2: and his experience. I mean it's so.
Speaker 1: I have been a been a big defender of Lamar.
Speaker 1: I love how much he cares. Every year he gets bigger,
Speaker 1: he gets better, and we cannot deny he's a better
Speaker 1: pocket quarterback to day than he used to be, no
Speaker 1: question jastic player. But I did think today it is
Speaker 1: now fair to say not quite the same. In the playoffs,
Speaker 1: I defended him forever. I used to say Peyton Manning
Speaker 1: wasn't the same in the playoffs. It's hard to win
Speaker 1: in the playoffs today, And again I'm not blaming him.
Speaker 1: He had no run support. I hated the game plan,
Speaker 1: but he melted a little late, and I think it's
Speaker 1: fair to say he had a couple of bad throws.
Speaker 1: I do think it's fair to say that he is.
Speaker 1: He tends to be run centric. He can melt a little.
Speaker 1: He's not as good from behind, most aren't. But when
Speaker 1: you watched him in Mahomes, I'm like, some of the
Speaker 1: criticism is just now. I defended it, but it's just.
Speaker 2: Well, from a specific football standpoint, he got fidgety today,
Speaker 2: he got rushed. He looked like the younger Lamar where
Speaker 2: in the playoffs when it wasn't going Baltimore's way, he
Speaker 2: would one read and then kind of scramble around and
Speaker 2: kind of scramble within the pocket and it just throws
Speaker 2: everything off instead of all season long. Now, granted they
Speaker 2: were beating the crap out of most teams, right, he
Speaker 2: was very under control. It's like, well, if this is
Speaker 2: the version of the player, I'm all in because he's calm,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of moving around today, he got very fidgety.
Speaker 2: He got very felt very uneasy about two seconds into
Speaker 2: the place. And part of that I think gets back
Speaker 2: to the immense amount of pressure in a spot like
Speaker 2: that against that opponent, and you start going we're down,
Speaker 2: you just naturally kind of freak out. Now, maybe we
Speaker 2: look back in a couple of years and he wins
Speaker 2: a game like this and he says going through that
Speaker 2: experience helped me out. But today he resorted back to
Speaker 2: the guy. Like I said this last week, everyone shitting
Speaker 2: on Josh Allen. Was he perfect? No? But I never
Speaker 2: watched for a moment thought I wouldn't want that guy
Speaker 2: on my team. If you put that guy on a
Speaker 2: team that stacked, you're winning with that guy. It was
Speaker 2: not his fault. He did not look overwhelmed. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying Lamar looked overwhelmed, but I need you to be
Speaker 2: in complete control the moment you get fidgety. It's the
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning thing. In the playoffs, you're playing the best
Speaker 2: of the best. He used to lose the Patriots. You're
Speaker 2: playing the Andy and Mahomes here. They're not gonna screw up,
Speaker 2: and this defense is solid. Like, just live to fight
Speaker 2: some other you know, get a seven yard game right
Speaker 2: complete some balls. The balls were flying on him, the
Speaker 2: rain started coming. But to me, he was very very
Speaker 2: uneasy in the pocket. And that, to me, you kind
Speaker 2: of knew it right away, like you could feel it.
Speaker 2: And it happened against the Houston Texans, and then he
Speaker 2: came out a different guy. Why they started running the
Speaker 2: ball calmed everything down. He never calmed down. Their offense
Speaker 2: never calmed down.
Speaker 1: Well, they didn't do Monkin, didn't do him any favors.
Speaker 1: The way to settle a quarterback down is get him
Speaker 1: a run game for sure. By the way, second half
Speaker 1: Niners Christian McCaffrey peeled off a couple of big runs.
Speaker 1: Everybody comes down, the temperature in the room comes down.
Speaker 1: The lit'll swing past the debot, debo breaks, tackles, the
Speaker 1: sideline played a kittle. It just brings the temperature down.
Speaker 1: It gets the crowd into it. So Sam Francisco, after
Speaker 1: a rocky first half, by party, what are we gonna do.
Speaker 1: Let's get him some yards. Let's not put the pressure
Speaker 1: on him. They never did that with Baltimore. They just
Speaker 1: kept dropping him back. By the way, and Spags is
Speaker 1: bringing extra people Baltimore can't block him. So at no
Speaker 1: point did Baltimore say, listen, because they saw what you saw.
Speaker 1: God Lamar's frenetic here, let's get him help. Nope, they
Speaker 1: just dropped him again with six rushing and five blocking.
Speaker 2: If I told you this morning that before the game
Speaker 2: kicked off, the Chiefs are only gonna have seventeen points,
Speaker 2: you would probably assume they're gonna lose, right Like, I
Speaker 2: didn't envision a spot where they could win seventeen to sixteen,
Speaker 2: or seventeen to thirteen or seventeen to ten. But what
Speaker 2: happened today. Awful pick in the end zone in a
Speaker 2: triple coverage, Karlovskis gets a big strip sack against him. Obviously,
Speaker 2: the Chiefs came through with turnovers. You can't afford to
Speaker 2: have the forty nine ers overcame the pick party. It
Speaker 2: was early. Would they would not have been able to
Speaker 2: overcome a pick in the second half, and let alone
Speaker 2: countless turnof over stay Flowers, Lamar Jackson, the fumble trip sack.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's you're not overcoming that against you know,
Speaker 2: the New Dynasty. It's not possible, But it starts with him.
Speaker 2: I mean, the whole building. I would imagine every guy
Speaker 2: and and female that bought a ticket felt it early
Speaker 2: like we're in trouble. This quarterback looks a little off kilter,
Speaker 2: and let's face it, he was.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think the Super Bowl is going to be
Speaker 1: interesting for a lot of reasons. San Francisco, as you noted,
Speaker 1: comes out of favorite. I would bet Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I think that line will come storming down, are you yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, this institutional.
Speaker 2: The Chiefs just won the Super Bowl. Last season, they
Speaker 2: won the Super Bowl. They're back in it, or they
Speaker 2: not the favorites.
Speaker 1: Well, I'd say when they played them before, Mahomes wasn't
Speaker 1: making the money, The roster was a little deeper on
Speaker 1: the defensive side, more experienced. Perty's a better runner than Garoppolo.
Speaker 1: I think he's I think he I always thought, gimme
Speaker 1: through a great ball between the hash marks, could didn't
Speaker 1: move much. Pretty gives you a new element. McCaffrey wasn't
Speaker 1: on that team, so that this team has.
Speaker 2: Got their defense is not as good as that team.
Speaker 2: That defensive line house at Buckner, That defensive line was good.
Speaker 1: I I would take Kansas City and the points, you know,
Speaker 1: because I've watched San Francisco play crappy football for three
Speaker 1: quarters against the Packers and two and a half quarters
Speaker 1: against the Lions. So my takeaway is where I haven't
Speaker 1: seen Kansas City have a bad quarter. They've had twelve
Speaker 1: excellent quarters. With San Francisco, they've overcome I mean, let's let's.
Speaker 2: Not kid, go back to the Baltimore game that they've
Speaker 2: had some bad games over the past month. It's not
Speaker 2: even just the playoffs, they've been off. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I just I got to tell you, I find uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know why I bet against Kansas City. There's
Speaker 1: just so much institutional intelligence, you know, And it was
Speaker 1: so clear to day early on, I mean, Kelsey had
Speaker 1: one of his best haves ever and not even just touchdowns,
Speaker 1: just making diving catch after diving catch. And there's been
Speaker 1: this sort of narrative he's not focused. There's Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, he's showing off for today, because
Speaker 1: that's shit what I'm watching. Yeah, that maybe he has
Speaker 1: a ring in his pocket he's delivering tonight, because that
Speaker 1: was like one of the he was engaged. I thought
Speaker 1: Travis Kelcey really set the tone. And you know what
Speaker 1: else I liked in big games. Baltimore didn't give it
Speaker 1: to Gus Edwards. It's like, what are you doing? Didn't
Speaker 1: they didn't go with their strength? What did Kansas City do?
Speaker 1: Travis Kelsey, Travis Kelsey, Travis Kelsey, But Checko Rice? Who's
Speaker 1: because I love their game plan, which is what spags
Speaker 1: rep pressure? What did they do? Play right into his strains?
Speaker 1: Go look at everything Kansas City did today. It was
Speaker 1: all the best version of what they did. And I
Speaker 1: think San Francisco's second half, by the way, looked exactly Okay, here,
Speaker 1: guys at half, this is who we are. Let's go
Speaker 1: do what we do now. Detroit did the same thing,
Speaker 1: which is reckless. But Baltimore is the only team this weekend.
Speaker 1: I thought, what was that? I don't get that. I
Speaker 1: thought Kansas City and San Francisco niners second half, Really
Speaker 1: that's who they are.
Speaker 2: You know. One thing that Andy has changed definitely the
Speaker 2: last couple of years. Now, part of his tyres gone
Speaker 2: is the knock on him was always pass pass pass.
Speaker 2: He has no problem given to Isaiah who against the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers, I mean, look at them. They can't
Speaker 2: stop the run right now, So I would expect for
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl a lot of pachaco because stopping the
Speaker 2: run is not and let's face it, there outside passing
Speaker 2: game with the Kansay Chiefs is not as good as Detroit's.
Speaker 2: So the forty nine ers are gonna have to find
Speaker 2: a way to slow down this game because that if
Speaker 2: you're just giving up five six yards of carry, you're
Speaker 2: just gonna be up against the ropes. It's impossible not
Speaker 2: to be because it keeps your offense off the field.
Speaker 2: You know. Obviously this guy on if it's third and three,
Speaker 2: they're talented enough to get those, and they have the
Speaker 2: greatest quarterback of all time. But you have to start
Speaker 2: if you cannot stop the run, like they would have
Speaker 2: lost this game the version of the way their defense
Speaker 2: was playing to the Kanatite Chiefs and now it's inside fast.
Speaker 2: Now that benefits the forty nine ers too. But the
Speaker 2: other kind of swing is think about Mahomes. These last
Speaker 2: two weeks just perfect. He's just been a plus A
Speaker 2: plus party's, you know, but a little bit of a
Speaker 2: roller coaster. I don't think you can afford roller coaster
Speaker 2: party throwing a pick six or something against Kansas City
Speaker 2: and being down ten nothing to the level of coaching
Speaker 2: staff you're gonna go to. Now, maybe the Niners can
Speaker 2: figure out some defensive stuff. Here's one problem, Colin when
Speaker 2: you invest a lot into a certain position, like ultimately, like,
Speaker 2: why are the chief struggling with the wide receivers. Well,
Speaker 2: they don't have a great player. It's not like they've
Speaker 2: bought one guy who's not living up. They drafted a
Speaker 2: guy in the second round. Sky More didn't work out, whatever,
Speaker 2: Rice is, whatever, a third round pick like that, they'll
Speaker 2: be fine. They will invest more in that. The forty
Speaker 2: nine ers have invested a ton into the defensive line
Speaker 2: right now. Bosa made some plays today, but Chase Young,
Speaker 2: they trade a third round pick for it, He's nowhere.
Speaker 2: Armstead and Hardgrave today were many places to be found.
Speaker 2: By the second half, at least Fred Warner and Dre
Speaker 2: Greenlaws started making some places. But when you invest in
Speaker 2: an area, this was the downfall of the Philadelphia Eagles.
Speaker 2: When you put all that money in the defensive line, well,
Speaker 2: if the defensive line doesn't play it like an A
Speaker 2: minus level, and if you put them at like a
Speaker 2: C plus B minus, you're gonna be screwed because you're
Speaker 2: gonna have major liabilities to other spot. This is a
Speaker 2: business that you build the Pike chart over and the
Speaker 2: Niners are very dependent on this defensive line, and right
Speaker 2: now it is not good. Beside Bosa, none of them
Speaker 2: are making place, and they definitely against the run. They're
Speaker 2: all getting turned around in these gaping holes. So Andy
Speaker 2: Reid might have been a passing coach, but I would
Speaker 2: imagine that you're gonna get a big dose of running
Speaker 2: game come the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't have a strong feel because I will
Speaker 1: say this. I think Kansas City has the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: I've the best player I've ever seen. So that is
Speaker 1: my age, and I think Andy Reid. You know, I
Speaker 1: think I've told you this before that if the NFL
Speaker 1: would have written that CTE check to the players union
Speaker 1: ten years earlier and the league would have pivoted to offense,
Speaker 1: Andy'd be the best coach ever. Belichick probably wouldn't have
Speaker 1: two or three of the Super Bowls. But it was late,
Speaker 1: so Andy was working against the league. These offensive coaches,
Speaker 1: defensive coaches reigned supreme for years and decades in this league. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, now you watch John Harbaugh's game plan today,
Speaker 1: you look at McDermott, Mike Tomlin, how these teams struggle
Speaker 1: in the O line run games. It's I mean, is
Speaker 1: it a surprise that Kyle Shanahan and Andy Reid are
Speaker 1: in the championship game? Only McVeigh to me, maybe Peyton.
Speaker 1: But that's kind of the highest cut of the cloth
Speaker 1: in this league offensively, is it not?
Speaker 2: Is it not?
Speaker 1: Shanahan's the best scheme guy in the league. Andy's the
Speaker 1: best play designer and play caller. Mcvay's the best offensive
Speaker 1: culture builder. And then I think, I think Peyton and
Speaker 1: Lafleur deserve a lot of props. Ben Johnson's probably the best
Speaker 1: year coordinator. Shane Steike and I think is getting really
Speaker 1: close to putting that, But I mean, it's not a surprise.
Speaker 1: This is the coaching sport. NBA is a players league,
Speaker 1: Baseball is a pitchers sport. Football order back. In the
Speaker 1: coaches league. We have the two best offensive coaches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, I mean, and I think both of them.
Speaker 2: And this is what my issue we talked during about
Speaker 2: college football during the season with Lincoln Riley and some
Speaker 2: college coaches is they don't even look to the defensive
Speaker 2: side of the ball that they don't. They don't attack
Speaker 2: it till it's too late. Is Andy Reid and Kyle
Speaker 2: Shanahan are huge believers. Now it doesn't always work, but
Speaker 2: doubling down on defensive lines, getting aggressive players, paying for corners,
Speaker 2: drafting guys high on defense because part of my ability,
Speaker 2: right is going to be I can help the guys
Speaker 2: out on this side. Now, it helps when you hit
Speaker 2: star players like Kelsey or Tyreek Hill, or trade for
Speaker 2: Christian McCaffrey. But Juwan Jennings, no one heard of the
Speaker 2: guy three years ago, and now he's making big plays
Speaker 2: every single game. Right that they can. They can create
Speaker 2: that with no names. And defensively they've always, you know,
Speaker 2: allocated a lot of resources over there, and sometimes offensive coaches,
Speaker 2: you know, are either two hands off. I give Sean
Speaker 2: McVeagh a lot of credit. Look how the defensive coordinators
Speaker 2: he's always invested in, how much emphasis they put when
Speaker 2: they do have draft picks on that side of the ball, right,
Speaker 2: because you cannot win in these big spots. Obviously the
Speaker 2: Niners were getting treaded, but their defense came through in
Speaker 2: big spots that are highly paid.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Obviously, Kansas City has a fantastic defense the Baltimore was
Speaker 2: there because they had the number one defense. So offense
Speaker 2: is huge and the offensive, you know, head coaches are
Speaker 2: the ultimately like the swing part of it. But you've
Speaker 2: got to emphasize defense as an offensive coach because you're
Speaker 2: gonna need that side of the ball. And the Chiefs
Speaker 2: have really benefited from that this year because their offensive
Speaker 2: personnel is not as great, but they keep getting better,
Speaker 2: right and obviously Kyle since he's been since they've been good,
Speaker 2: they've always had very physical defense. I also think practicing
Speaker 2: physically is a really, really big thing, and Andy Reid
Speaker 2: is still known for running the hardest training camp. Kyle
Speaker 2: Sham talk to their players Monday through Friday is not
Speaker 2: that fun. It's a very very intense environment. It's not
Speaker 2: negative like Belichick, but in terms of football wise, you
Speaker 2: better know your shit or people are on you. And
Speaker 2: practice is not just lollygagging around in sandals. What was
Speaker 2: the knock on the Eagles this year, It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: they weren't really practicing, they were an older team. Well
Speaker 2: I get it, but if you do not practice in football,
Speaker 2: you practice four or five times more than you play
Speaker 2: every week. So yeah, the practice these coaches are addicted
Speaker 2: to practice, and Andy Reid and Kyle Shit, they like
Speaker 2: practice as much they like the games. Their excitement getting
Speaker 2: ready because it's the preparation for but it's also getting
Speaker 2: setting the team's tone. It's why Harbaugh's such a great coach.
Speaker 2: His practices are physical, like his team doesn't just show
Speaker 2: up and shove people around. It starts in the offseason,
Speaker 2: starts in training camp, and then it's through the weeks
Speaker 2: during the season. It was always something famous Belichick did
Speaker 2: when they were always the number one or two seed
Speaker 2: and they got the Bie week. I heard Jillan Edelman
Speaker 2: is like, we used to scrimmage in full pads, like
Speaker 2: it was just step the tone for physicality. We didn't
Speaker 2: want to lose that because that is the separating factor
Speaker 2: offensively and defensively. And when you practice hard, everyone gets better.
Speaker 2: What do you watch when you watch the Chiefs and
Speaker 2: the Niners. I mean, people are getting hit hard offensively, defensively,
Speaker 2: and it starts with the head coach. You can't fake that. Listen,
Speaker 2: most people in life aren't tough like Dan Campbell's a
Speaker 2: tough guy. You know, Jim Harb is a tough guy.
Speaker 2: You go is Kyle a tough guy. Well, the way
Speaker 2: he viewed football philosophically, one Andy reeves always smile and
Speaker 2: nugging people, I promise you. And he loves throwing bombs,
Speaker 2: loves toughness in football, and it shows in the biggest
Speaker 2: moments because that's where you needed to come through.
Speaker 1: John Middlekoff, former NFL Scout three and Out podcast for
Speaker 1: the volume. This is always great. So I think we'll
Speaker 1: meet again next week. Listen, we have the best coach
Speaker 1: and quarterback against maybe the second best coach and best roster.
Speaker 1: And so the conspiracy theorist can say the league wanted
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift in, but it looked like Todd Monkin. What
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in now? Roger Goodell, that goofy game plan.
Speaker 1: It's been a hell of a year, you know.
Speaker 2: I look at this year, these ticket these ticket prices
Speaker 2: to get in, I might need to get into that building,
Speaker 2: cal and I might need to use to call some people,
Speaker 2: to call some people because this ticket price to get
Speaker 2: in price could be I bet it's going to shatter records.
Speaker 2: I mean in Vegas, right, and Taylor Swift.
Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think that Lions Niners rating?
Speaker 1: Is that Fox has been in a role Jesus Fox
Speaker 1: eight million people. You think, but listen. I like the NBA.
Speaker 1: I watched both the Celtics Clippers game Saturday night, first half,
Speaker 1: second half of the Lakers Warriors. I love the NBA.
Speaker 1: NBA is dying to get like one point nine million
Speaker 1: or a game. The NFL, and I think legalized gambling
Speaker 1: as jet fuel is completely pulling away. I three or
Speaker 1: four things are happening to the NBA. One, the NFL
Speaker 1: took Christmas back, which was a huge marketing day for
Speaker 1: the league. NBA NFL said, yeah, we're done with that.
Speaker 1: We're going to own it.
Speaker 2: Hurts.
Speaker 1: That was a real launching point. Secondly, the league's getting
Speaker 1: highly European. Most of the best players Luca Jannis Jokic
Speaker 1: doesn't bother me. I love it, but it is getting
Speaker 1: Our domestic players have very little imprint. These guys come.
Speaker 1: You know, Wenby's the next great player. SGA's from Canada.
Speaker 1: It's it's and I'm I'm not opposed to it. I
Speaker 1: like stylistically, I love watching Jokic play, but you know,
Speaker 1: fans often they kind of root for their own. They
Speaker 1: want to see their Kansas guy and their Ohio State Guide.
Speaker 1: And so that's second thing. The third thing with the
Speaker 1: NBA is that Stephan Lebron carried the league for fifteen
Speaker 1: years and that was so much fun. As I watched
Speaker 1: it this weekend, and as I watched that, I thought,
Speaker 1: is this the last meaningful game between those two? I
Speaker 1: literally was getting romantic. I'm like, we're not getting any Steph.
Speaker 1: I mean, Steph Lebron. This could be one of the
Speaker 1: last times they really light the world up.
Speaker 2: Where's like five games out of five hundred theyre not
Speaker 2: gonna be in the playoffs? I thought, can the NBA
Speaker 2: you know how golf gives sponsors exemptions, Like, could you
Speaker 2: give a sponsor exemption to get Steph Curry into the playoffs?
Speaker 2: Because that's got to be the highest rated NBA game
Speaker 2: of the year. Do you know one thing I think
Speaker 2: in the NFL? And I'm sure you've talked about this,
Speaker 2: but I really noticed it in my life, whether it's
Speaker 2: my girlfriend, her friends, whether it's just other ladies in
Speaker 2: my life, my mother and her friends, a lot of
Speaker 2: women watch the NFL. Yes, my mom watched every snap
Speaker 2: to day and she she's because I worked for coach
Speaker 2: Read and he was so good to meet. She doesn't
Speaker 2: miss a Chiefs game. She's a diehard Chiefs fan, you know.
Speaker 2: And I know so many moms that you know, I'm
Speaker 2: from northern California. They don't miss a snap of the Niners.
Speaker 2: And I think that's probably the same moms in Philly,
Speaker 2: women in Philly, Dallas. I think you go around the country.
Speaker 2: No way basketball has that. I mean, I think the
Speaker 2: under and this is not has anything to do this
Speaker 2: well before Taylor Swift ever showed up Dayton Travis. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, I think that the audience uptick in
Speaker 2: women watching football, specifically the NFL has got to be.
Speaker 1: All Okay, my wife doesn't like sports. Glued to the
Speaker 1: game today with her sister. My sister doesn't like sports,
Speaker 1: became a Seahawks fan with Russell Wilson. My sister and
Speaker 1: my wife do not watch sports anything ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: they the idea of taking my wife to a baseball game,
Speaker 1: it would be like taking her to a bingo game
Speaker 1: at an old folks home. She just wouldn't do it. No,
Speaker 1: I think you're right. In fact, I saw a number
Speaker 1: six or I just got to Fox about seven years
Speaker 1: ago and they were showing I got some research from
Speaker 1: the people upstairs, Mike mulva Hill, and I stopped by.
Speaker 1: I used to see him like once every few months,
Speaker 1: and I see him a couple times a year.
Speaker 2: Very bright guy.
Speaker 1: All the numbers I fall docked like it was like
Speaker 1: fifty percent of the fans were women or close to it.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I can't be true.
Speaker 2: It was well like people up in Seattle and your
Speaker 2: sister's friends and just random females over the last ten years.
Speaker 2: When Russell Wilson came onto the scene, how many of
Speaker 2: them do you think followed the Seahawks really closely? I
Speaker 2: bet it was pretty high. Yep.
Speaker 1: And I also think there's something about football. It's once
Speaker 1: a week, so you don't feel I mean, women have big,
Speaker 1: broad lives, careers, kids, One game a week. By the way,
Speaker 1: it's Sunday, and so husbands are around, families around. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like lunch, dinner, beer. It's a real it's
Speaker 1: real family feeling football it's once a week. It's also
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I mean, I do think
Speaker 1: there's something to be said. You have to be a
Speaker 1: real baseball fan to get baseball. There's literally one hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty two games spring training, postseason, there's over two hundred.
Speaker 1: It's a maze of games. I'm a sportscaster. I get
Speaker 1: lost with it. NBA so many meaningless games, load management.
Speaker 1: NFL players once a week they play hurt and you know,
Speaker 1: for most of your stars, the careers are ten years,
Speaker 1: so you just get used to seeing people. And by
Speaker 1: the way, many of those players that are great in
Speaker 1: the NFL, they were great in college. So I just followed.
Speaker 1: You can go follow Caleb Williams at US to the Bears,
Speaker 1: so you have some connection to it.
Speaker 2: I also think one thing, you know, most of my friends,
Speaker 2: either from college or high school, if I went on
Speaker 2: Instagram the day I swear to got eighty percent of
Speaker 2: them were at the Niners game. And I think if
Speaker 2: you grew up in an NFL city like Philly or
Speaker 2: Dallas or wherever, or the big college cities, it's such
Speaker 2: an event, right. It's fun to go tailgate, it's getting
Speaker 2: out of the house, going to hang out. It's really
Speaker 2: just all day. It's a positive thing. Now the game
Speaker 2: might not turn it. It was going to be a
Speaker 2: negative thing if they lost, but it is something fun
Speaker 2: to do, and like you said, it's not one of those.
Speaker 2: It's once during the season, rights every other week. If
Speaker 2: you're a season ticket holder, I mean, I know countless
Speaker 2: season ticket hold it's very easy thing to fall. It's
Speaker 2: always easy to get rid of your tickets. And I
Speaker 2: don't know many people that are associated with a team
Speaker 2: as a season ticket holder or go to games that
Speaker 2: complain about it. And I think it's the opposite in
Speaker 2: the other sports where I know so many people over
Speaker 2: the last five years that have taken their kids to
Speaker 2: see Steph Curry and just for whatever, he didn't play right,
Speaker 2: and and that's dramatically hurt the game. You know, when
Speaker 2: you're going to a Kansasity Chiefs game or a forty
Speaker 2: nine er game, that if I'm wearing a Deebo jersey
Speaker 2: or I'm wearing a Kelsea Mahomes jersey, that guy's gonna
Speaker 2: have to have a broken leg or broken shoulder else
Speaker 2: he I mean Johnny and if you like, he's gonna
Speaker 2: give me everything he has.
Speaker 1: It's totally relatable. I mean, MB doesn't play against Jokish
Speaker 1: and we're both we're both NBA fans. I watch all,
Speaker 1: I watched, I watched again, I.
Speaker 2: Watched I'm dipping, so I've gone the It's just I
Speaker 2: found it with the with the the load management and
Speaker 2: the effort last night was pretty remarkable. But that felt
Speaker 2: like a game from fifteen twenty years ago, right the
Speaker 2: Lakers and Warriors. That that's not what the NBA is anymore.
Speaker 2: They've lost the guys making so much money, the urgency
Speaker 2: of the sport has been lost. That's what's amazing about
Speaker 2: football is the money has Like Patrick Mahomes had a
Speaker 2: four hundred and fifty million dollar contract, and if I
Speaker 2: told you that guy was playing for his career, you
Speaker 2: would have thought today, like you know, his contract was
Speaker 2: on the line. So the money hasn't phased any of
Speaker 2: these guys. You might not play well, but you never
Speaker 2: feel like anyone's mailing it in. Everyone's always trying. And
Speaker 2: I do think it's a culture of football from from
Speaker 2: pee wee's to high school to college to the pros.
Speaker 2: Guys are coaches yell at you, right, you're just getting yelled,
Speaker 2: you're getting humble.
Speaker 1: Also, if you go look at the NBA media coverage,
Speaker 1: it's like it's like a fan It's just it's just
Speaker 1: basically they're all pr people because nobody, even the ones
Speaker 1: I respect. They don't want to lose access to the
Speaker 1: top four agents, in the top twelve players. In the NFL,
Speaker 1: there's there's just I mean Kansas City. I mean take
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Travis Kelsey gets pissed off at you. I'll
Speaker 1: go talk about homes. I'll talk to read shit. They're
Speaker 1: two corners. There's just guys to talk to. In the NBA,
Speaker 1: there's like a player or a team that you have
Speaker 1: to have the access to. I used to have a
Speaker 1: buddy that covered the San Francisco Giants, and he's like, man,
Speaker 1: those guys will.
Speaker 2: Turn on you.
Speaker 1: Boy.
Speaker 2: Those guys will try to bury or else you'd throw
Speaker 2: a bat at your face. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So it's like in the NFL, it's just the media
Speaker 1: is hard but supportive. I mean we're not here to
Speaker 1: I mean I used to be Broodloan Baker. I think
Speaker 1: he's great. I love his redemption story.
Speaker 2: Do you think most of guys, most players are are
Speaker 2: unfazed by it. Like in the NBA, they go into
Speaker 2: the tank and they get mad and they start lasting out.
Speaker 2: In the NFL, it's like whatever, I'll see you next week.
Speaker 1: Well, I think also NFL players because they have shorter
Speaker 1: careers and they stay in college longer. A lot of
Speaker 1: them married their sweethearts in college. Yeah, and because of
Speaker 1: young place, I think they have families and kids sooner,
Speaker 1: and so they're not on their phone all day. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're some of these NBA guys, you're twenty seven,
Speaker 1: never married, no kids, you're doing your thing, You're on
Speaker 1: your phone all day at your hotel. I tell people
Speaker 1: this all the time, that people I've had not in
Speaker 1: a long time. But I pretty much have my staff
Speaker 1: except for games like today when they're big games. But
Speaker 1: I have my staff pretty much run my social and
Speaker 1: I tell people all the time there's no value in
Speaker 1: reading it. But NBA got again. But I'm married, kids,
Speaker 1: business podcasts. If I was a twenty eight year old
Speaker 1: sportscaster and I didn't have any of that, I'd probably
Speaker 1: be on the phone all day. So I think I
Speaker 1: think NFL players tend to come into the league more mature.
Speaker 1: They see the they also know one injury and they're done,
Speaker 1: so they put their money away. You don't hear a
Speaker 1: lot of NFL stories of guys going bro. Most of
Speaker 1: the guys put their money away because they know they're
Speaker 1: just a one hit from being done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, so what's your what's your guests on
Speaker 2: the numbers today? We're talking over fifty million. Game got
Speaker 2: pretty good in the second half.
Speaker 1: I'll say forty six and a half million. Super Bowl
Speaker 1: get over fifty. I mean, you know what's so funny
Speaker 1: when the season started, I think we were a little
Speaker 1: concerned at Fox. I'm not going to speak for our
Speaker 1: per management. Rogers gone, the AFC had the star quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and Aaron had left the AFC, and Russell Wilson the
Speaker 1: year before had left the AFC, And we're like, Jared Goff,
Speaker 1: how long Stafford playing?
Speaker 2: It was?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was like new kid. But what's been
Speaker 1: great is the NFC has these great rights Dallas against
Speaker 1: green Bay, Green Bay, San Francisco and then Detroit. Such
Speaker 1: a heartwarming story as the NFC's got these the.
Speaker 3: AFC, Philly's just interesting and even. But in the end,
Speaker 3: if you go to look at the AFC, it's Tennessee's
Speaker 3: and Jacksonville's and the Houston Texans. Kansas City's obviously a
Speaker 3: profoundly popular franchise. But in the NFC, you've just got
Speaker 3: these built in sixties set even the bad teams. The
Speaker 3: Bears were kind of fascinating.
Speaker 1: This year is Justin Field's gonna work and now Washington's
Speaker 1: gonna get Ben Johnson richest owner, most cab space. I'd
Speaker 1: be kind of interesting. The NFC has these big foundational
Speaker 1: people don't understand John out East. They have no idea
Speaker 1: how popular the Niners are out West.
Speaker 2: They have when you say that the NFC East, if
Speaker 2: we were going to compare it to college football, would
Speaker 2: be like the power of the SEC. And then if
Speaker 2: you took like the Packers and the forty nine Ers,
Speaker 2: that's like Michigan Ohio State. I'm not obviously the AFC
Speaker 2: is really good. I'm just talking the power of the brands.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't think people understand like when the
Speaker 2: forty nine ers in Green Bay played each other, how
Speaker 2: many people were watching that game. I mean, you're talking
Speaker 2: about my entire life. That's a rivalry going on thirty
Speaker 2: plus years. These two teams have been in the biggest
Speaker 2: games in the biggest sport now for decades.
Speaker 1: John Madden, the Great Late John Madden, used to have
Speaker 1: a line and he used it at Fox and Management
Speaker 1: often kind of hearkens back to it. Does the game
Speaker 1: sound big?
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: San Francisco Niners sounds gigantic, Dallas Packers sounds Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 1: Houston Texans. It just doesn't sound that bag. A couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, Jacksonville Chargers, it just doesn't sound that big.
Speaker 2: Well, you could argue this is the best Super Bowl.
Speaker 2: I mean, obviously the Cowboys being in it, given the
Speaker 2: quantity of people, But the second best matchup would be
Speaker 2: the forty nine Ers against Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, no, no, I think it's listen, it's again people.
Speaker 2: I would say the nine get to the NFC Championship
Speaker 2: for that ever to happen. But you just know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: The brand, The Niners are the Yankees of the West.
Speaker 1: The Lakers are popular, but it's the NBA. I think
Speaker 1: the Niners are even bigger than the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: How many Niner fans live in Los Angeles?
Speaker 1: Did you see this year? Was it? This year? The
Speaker 1: Niners played?
Speaker 2: The last three years? Colin They sell that place out.
Speaker 2: They call it Niner South.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. Yeah, I mean, I went to Starbucks this morning,
Speaker 1: so I got a great workout in I went to Starbucks.
Speaker 1: There are three guys and Niners full Niners gear. It
Speaker 1: was like eight point fifty and I'm like, and then
Speaker 1: where else did I go? Oh? I had to go
Speaker 1: to a pharmacy and there were two more Niner hats
Speaker 1: in there, and I'm like, people, just when you're in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles, it is Dodger hats, Lakers shirts, and Niner hats.
Speaker 2: You know. Kyle always had said before he took the
Speaker 2: Niners job that he was only going to go to
Speaker 2: a job that he felt had a good quarterback situation
Speaker 2: because he had seen so many people fail. And then
Speaker 2: the nine offer in the job, well, he had been
Speaker 2: there with his dad when Steve Young and they were
Speaker 2: winning Super Bowl, so it's hard to say no. And
Speaker 2: he went because of the power of his experience there
Speaker 2: and when you win with the forty nine ers, like,
Speaker 2: to me, they were one of the biggest brands of
Speaker 2: my lifetime any sport. I mean, they they've just been
Speaker 2: to think of the good and now I mean they
Speaker 2: are just rattling like they're a bigger brand than Kansas City.
Speaker 2: Obviously Kansas City could win back to back Super Bowls,
Speaker 2: but it's not even close in terms of fans.
Speaker 1: And it's fascinating how many interesting quarterbacks, John Brody, uh
Speaker 1: into Montana, into Steve Young, even like into Kaepernick. Alex
Speaker 1: Smith was caping.
Speaker 2: Parstin, was going to Pro Bowls, going to Totoe with Far.
Speaker 1: And then now then they had Garoppolo, got him do
Speaker 1: a Super Now it's brought pretty. They haven't all been great,
Speaker 1: Montana Young were, but they've always had interesting core, even Kaepernick,
Speaker 1: they've had interesting quarterback stories and good enough to win
Speaker 1: a bunch of games. I mean, god it they got
Speaker 1: to a Super Bowl with Kaepernick, Garoppolo and now pretty.
Speaker 1: How many organizations could do that?
Speaker 2: Do you think the reason brock is such a polarizing
Speaker 2: story just simply his draft spot or simply because of
Speaker 2: his draft spot and he's the forty nine ers quarterback.
Speaker 1: You know, I don't. Here's what I think. I don't
Speaker 1: think he's polarizing. I think it's we live in a
Speaker 1: debate culture and I fall into the I think he's good.
Speaker 1: I don't know think he's great. I think he's good.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's big enough of his arm, but
Speaker 1: he's good. And I thought his second half the day
Speaker 1: running around, he was really good. And then there's those
Speaker 1: that say, you know, my buddy Jason McIntyre, he's great.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, now that scouts know what they're doing.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are these occasional Kurt Warner stories are
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates or GMS and both of those, by the way,
Speaker 1: there were circumstances why they didn't get drafted. But I
Speaker 1: think there is this he's great, he's this. I think
Speaker 1: Brock Purtty is a good quarterback. If I argued he's
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins with mobility, that's a pretty good quarterback. C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud is Jared Goff with mobility, that's a pretty good quarterback.
Speaker 1: So if I said to you, he wames Jared, Listen,
Speaker 1: you win a lot of games with Kirk Cousins. Imagine
Speaker 1: if he could move, Oh you can, It's called Brock.
Speaker 1: Pretty that's what he is. Exactly When when when when
Speaker 1: c J. Stroud came out, all the scouts were like,
Speaker 1: he's Jared Goff, Well he is, really, except he moves better. Shit,
Speaker 1: Jared's good without moving, So what's he like when he moves?
Speaker 1: So I think I think the comp is like c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud to me, is I mean Jared throws a beautiful
Speaker 1: Stroud throws a beautiful ball. He just moves better, So
Speaker 1: I think I think brought pretty feels like to me,
Speaker 1: kind of a pedestrian arm pedestrian average, yeah, pedestrian body,
Speaker 1: but he moves.
Speaker 2: And that's a good player and he makes place yea
Speaker 2: in big spots. All right, buddy, see you go.
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