1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Epstein. Baby Jeffrey Epstein has a baby. 2 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: This while a search for bodies is going on. A 3 00:00:22,360 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: search for human girl bodies is going on at Epstein's 4 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: Zoro Ranch. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I 5 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,279 Speaker 1: want to thank you for being with us. 6 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 2: Authorities launched a major criminal search of Jeffrey Epstein's former 7 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,720 Speaker 2: Zoro Ranch in New Mexico. They began searching the seven 8 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 2: six hundred acre property due to a tip alleging that 9 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 2: two girls were buried in the hills outside the ranch 10 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: on Epstein's orders. 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein has a baby. Okay, I want to talk 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:00:57,880 Speaker 1: about that, but frankly, a baby is not my business. 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: Dead bodies are straight out to Professor Forensicks, Jacksonville State University, 14 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: author Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of 15 00:01:07,600 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: a hit podcast series, Body Bags with Joseph Scott Morgan, 16 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:21,119 Speaker 1: a search at Zoro Ranch for at least two girls bodies. Now, 17 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: first of all, hold Joe Scott, Dave Matt Crime Stories 18 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: investigative reporter. I just need two words out of you. 19 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:30,839 Speaker 1: Where is Zoro Ranch? 20 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: South of Santa Fe, New Mexico, thirty miles see. 21 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: I said two words, and then you just blew that. 22 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: You blew that up, New Mexico, New Mexico. Joe Scott, Morgan, 23 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:47,199 Speaker 1: New Mexico. Here in the US. Let me see Joe Scott, Please, 24 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: Joe Scott. We're not talking about wrongdoing in the US 25 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, or in London, or in France or in 26 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: the stands. We hear a lot about from Lynn Shaw 27 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: where girls are in awarded to Lolita Island for Jeffrey 28 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 1: Epstein and all of his clients, but there is no 29 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: client list. Forget about that. That's bs. This is here 30 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: on US soil and we're just hearing about it. Tell 31 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 1: me what you know. 32 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: Oh, what I know is that they have had an 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 4: email that had come in one of these dumps, in 34 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 4: one of these tranches of data that has been released, 35 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 4: and of course a lot of it's redacted, but what 36 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 4: was stated is that there are at least two victims, 37 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 4: according to the source, that have gone out and they 38 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 4: have stated that they used to work there at the 39 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,760 Speaker 4: Zoro Ranch. They claim that during some kind of wild 40 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 4: perverted sex act, that two not one, but two individuals 41 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 4: young women were choked to death, that they were essentially asphyxiated, 42 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 4: and then their remains were taking out onto this property, 43 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:01,360 Speaker 4: which Nancy to say, it's vast is an understate taken 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 4: out and they were buried in the hills surrounding this area. 45 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: It's very non specific, but right now, according to what 46 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: we're hearing, there's a search going on of this property 47 00:03:11,919 --> 00:03:15,359 Speaker 4: looking for these remains. I have to think about it's 48 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 4: looking for a needle in a stack of needles. Right now. 49 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: After Epstein's death, our own FBI said they quote lacked 50 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: evidence to search the New Mexico Zoro Ranch. Now this 51 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: as they swarmed Epstein's Manhattan townhouse and his private island 52 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: in the Caribbean, but not New Mexico. Straight out to 53 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: Dave Matt Crime Stories investigative reporter, I'm going to go 54 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: back to Joe Scott Dave on the way the methods 55 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: you use in trying to find dead bodies that have 56 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: been there for a period of years, can't cadaver dogs 57 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: even find them. And I want you to bring me 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: up to date in a nutshell about the search of 59 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: Zoro Ranch. Right here us soil on a ranch owned 60 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: by Epstein. But even after his death, the FBI said 61 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: we don't have enough PC to search for dead bodies. 62 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 3: Really, Nancy, this is a When you talk about searching 63 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:29,120 Speaker 3: Zoro Ranch, you're thirty miles outside of Santa Fe, New Mexico. 64 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: The ranch was owned by Jeffrey Epstein from nineteen ninety 65 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: three until after his death. The search is actually on 66 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:43,000 Speaker 3: a part of the property that was leased from the 67 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: State of New Mexico. Jeffrey Epstein specifically leased this additional 68 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,640 Speaker 3: property to graze cattle. 69 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Wait a minute. Jeffrey Epstein, known child 70 00:04:54,640 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 1: sex trafficker, multimillionaire, leased this land from the it belonged 71 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: to the state, and now we're searching for girls' bodies 72 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: there on yet, go ahead. 73 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 3: Zoro Ranch is large, but it also includes about fifteen 74 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 3: hundred acres of land that was leased to Jeffrey Epstein 75 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: by the State of New Mexico and is on divissity 76 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 3: property where these bodies are allegedly buried. Again, you mentioned 77 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: this a minute ago, but it bears repeating. Jeffrey Epstein's 78 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 3: properties in New York, Florida and all over the place 79 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: were all searched. 80 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Not Zoro Ranch. 81 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: And it's at Zoro Ranch where there is a belief 82 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 3: that two bodies of two young women who were killed 83 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: during rough sex and buried on the property that actually 84 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 3: was leased from the state of New Mexico. They're now searching. 85 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:53,520 Speaker 3: Investigators are finally searching Zoro Ranch. 86 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 5: Standing here at Zoro Ranch, a place represents such trauma 87 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:03,159 Speaker 5: and nightmares for my and so many other survivors, is 88 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 5: harder than I ever imagined. 89 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 6: It is a crucial piece and getting to the bottom 90 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 6: of truth and accountability here in our state, to hold 91 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 6: those who are still able to be held accountable to 92 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:20,159 Speaker 6: the law, as well as seeking justice and healing for 93 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:22,279 Speaker 6: survivors here in our state. 94 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: That first speaker, you may not recognize him. That is 95 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: Danny Roberts, Virginia Giffray's brother there at Zora Ranch. You 96 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 1: know what I want to hear. And the second person 97 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: is representative Melanie Stansbury. I want to hear that again. 98 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: I want to hear what Jeffray's brother says. Let's hear it. 99 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 5: Standing here at Zora Ranch, a place represents such trauma 100 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:48,919 Speaker 5: and nightmares for my sister and so many other survivors, 101 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 5: is harder than I ever imagined. 102 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 6: It is a crucial piece and getting to the bottom 103 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 6: of truth and accountability here in our state, to hold 104 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 6: those who are still able to be held accountable to 105 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 6: the law, as well as seeking justice and healing for 106 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 6: survivors here in our state. 107 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 1: Tell it, Stansbury, tell it from our friends at ABC. Now. 108 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: Remember Virginia Geoffrey was one of Epstein's victims, and she's 109 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 1: the one that busted the Andrew formerly known as Prince 110 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: for having child sex with her. She was a teenage girl. 111 00:07:29,320 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: There he is, he sore up and down. This photo 112 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 1: is fake. But then he paid a multimillion dollar settlement 113 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: to Jeffrey, who then turned up dead reportedly by suicide. Okay, 114 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: straight out to Dr Bethany Marshall joining us. Renown psychoanalyst, 115 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: author of deal Breaker. You can see her now on 116 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: Peacock and you can find her at doctor Bethany Marshall 117 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:57,440 Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany, I have investigated and prosecuted the 118 00:07:57,520 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: cases of so many victims, including adult rape victims that 119 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: were raped and abuse when they were children, little girls. Bethany, 120 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: you can explain it better than me, asked Kelyn Shaw. 121 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 1: But they're never the same, doctor Bethany. And what triggered 122 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: this in my mind, just them was hearing Geffray's brother 123 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: Danny Roberts. They're at Zoro Ranch where they're looking for girls' 124 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: bodies right now. How long have they been there? If 125 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: they are there, how long have they been buried? What 126 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 1: did this nobody go looking for them? Did they just 127 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: fall through the cracks? I hate that phrase. There's no 128 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: such thing as falling through the cracks. Somebody failed, either 129 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:46,920 Speaker 1: their parents, the system. Someone failed. It just didn't happen. 130 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: Nothing fell through cracks. But these women that I have 131 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: worked with literally thousands of women over the years, they're 132 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: never the same. They go on. If you see them 133 00:08:58,960 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: at work or the grocery door, sitting in the pew 134 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: next to you at Synagogua church, they seem perfectly fine. 135 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: They're not. It's like, as I've always said, breaking your 136 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: arm and never getting it set. You will learn how 137 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: to flip a pancake, but it's never the same. You're 138 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: never the same after your heart is cracked wide open. 139 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: I can say that much. You can explain, you know, Nancy. 140 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 7: In order to understand the trauma, we have to get 141 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 7: away from the words rape and rough sex and use 142 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 7: the appropriate terminology, which is torture. Okay, if these girls died, 143 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 7: there were torture. There was torture, and if there are 144 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 7: two girls, there are more, all right. So if we 145 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 7: think of the perversions which all cluster together, and Jeffrey 146 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 7: had all of them, we think of exhibitionism. That's why 147 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,079 Speaker 7: he was on that massage table, so he could display 148 00:09:47,200 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 7: himself voyeurism. Remember he was reported by a neighbor in 149 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 7: Florida for being a peeping tom. Okay, but pedophilia, but 150 00:09:57,480 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 7: sadism is one of the perf So that's one of 151 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 7: the things that hasn't been adequately talked about, is that 152 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 7: he was probably likely torturing those girls and that's why 153 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 7: they died. No, maybe he wasn't sticking nails into them 154 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 7: or hanging them upside down like some perpose we talk about. 155 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 7: But when you choke somebody until they die, when you 156 00:10:17,800 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 7: are strangulating them, you are looking for fear and terror 157 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 7: in those eyes. And in terms of the trauma of 158 00:10:25,559 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 7: the girls who got away, I think the worst part 159 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 7: would be the flashbacks, meaning that anybody who will that 160 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 7: ever flirt with one of these girls, love them, date them, 161 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 7: ask them out to spend time together, they will feel 162 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 7: like they're being violated all over again. The mind cannot 163 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 7: distinguish between past and present when a person is traumatized, 164 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 7: so the world begins to feel unsafe and dangerous, and 165 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 7: even having a close, warm, intimate relationship will be equated 166 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 7: with being tortured and raped. That's what these women are 167 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 7: destined for the to their lives. 168 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: Photos that were obtained from the latest data dump of 169 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: Epstein files, trust me, we don't have them all yet, 170 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: and faces blacked out in many of them. Those are children. 171 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 1: And there is one shot of little girls wearing identical 172 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: outfits kind of like m It looked like white like 173 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 1: schoolgirl outfits. Those are little girls, Those are girls. Those 174 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: are miners. And you know who is really making me 175 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: sick right now? Lynshaw is gille Maxwell because every photo 176 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: of her with Epstein, she's got this self satisfied, smug 177 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: smirk on her face. And I just want to slap 178 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:57,120 Speaker 1: it right off because I can't get Epstein, Satan has him. 179 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 1: But I could get Julene Maxwell. I can get her 180 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: because she stood by and watched this whole thing on. 181 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 1: How dare she smile on a private plane when there 182 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: can be bodies buried at Zoro Ranch? What is wrong 183 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 1: with her? Guys. Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynn's Warriors, completely 184 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: dedicated to ending human trafficking and sex exploitation of girls 185 00:12:26,200 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 1: and women of people. What do you think, Lynn about 186 00:12:30,000 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: the lateies? Number one? I'm going to circle back to 187 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:38,160 Speaker 1: Epstein has a Baby that said looking for bodies on 188 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: Zoro Ranch. 189 00:12:42,320 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 8: Do you hear, Nancy what we're talking about. We're looking 190 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 8: for bodies of potential miners. I want to share with you. 191 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 8: We the Warriors have always spoken with victims of Epstein Maxwell. 192 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 8: I say their names together because they are both equally 193 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 8: complicit in our book, and they have always reported to 194 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 8: us the real, the real crimes were happening at Zoro Ranch, 195 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 8: and nobody was really ever talking about it. It was 196 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 8: the Manhattan Townhouse, it was the Island once in a while, 197 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 8: Paris Zoro Ranch. They reported to me several years ago. 198 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 8: This is where they talked about impregnating minors. This is 199 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 8: where they talked about seeding the race to create this 200 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 8: DNA elitist kind of you know, in their own image. 201 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: With all these tech people. 202 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 8: They also filled me in tech people where he was 203 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 8: very much Jeffrey and Gala. They were interested in technology. 204 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 8: Go back and look at the history of the Maxwell family. 205 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 8: There's a lot of technology in their background. This is 206 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 8: what they were interested in. This is a bigger story then. 207 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 8: I know, this is hard to understand. 208 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: A little bit. 209 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 8: Sex trafficking in a Manhattan townhouse and also reported girls 210 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 8: report it now women, They would say to me Lynn, 211 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 8: there was nowhere to run at Zoro Ranch. It was 212 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 8: just acres and acres of nothing. We couldn't get away. 213 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 8: We had to comply. We're talking about two dead bodies, 214 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 8: I venture to say, in my opinion, there's a lot more. 215 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 8: We're talking about little girls, you know, teens with all 216 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 8: of this horrible criminality against their little bodies and things 217 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 8: like that. And you know what I don't understand. Jeffrey 218 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 8: was arrested in two thousand and six. We're still talking 219 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,280 Speaker 8: about this, and I'm afraid the public is becoming habituated 220 00:14:17,320 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 8: to the Epstein Maxwell story and we will never get 221 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 8: the truth. This is about all victims of Jeffrey Epstein 222 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 8: and all victims and survivors of sexual exploitation. And our 223 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 8: government has failed, you know, our law enforcement has failed 224 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 8: here and the FBI AT's top of the list. Why 225 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 8: is Golane the only one ever arrested right now, sitting 226 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:40,440 Speaker 8: in some kind of country club, not showering, not eating, 227 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 8: whatever she's doing. What is going on here? We demand answers. 228 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:45,239 Speaker 1: This is ridiculous. 229 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 8: Now we're talking about this two thousand and six was 230 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 8: Jeffrey's first arrest. Twenty years later. Who's complicit? Why aren't 231 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 8: more in jail? Let's think about those victims, as doctor 232 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:57,800 Speaker 8: Bethany pointed out, the lifelong trauma they suffer, the lives ruin, 233 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 8: the family's ruined. We have a lot of work to do, 234 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 8: and the government better start answering to us. 235 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 5: The people. 236 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 8: We the people we pay taxes. 237 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 1: They're not doing their jobs. The employee claims to have 238 00:15:09,560 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: taken seven videos of minors being sexually tortured from the 239 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: home as quote insurance Dave Matt. What does that mean? 240 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: Well, what is shocking about this, Nancy? Is this former 241 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 3: employee volunteering to turn over these copies of the thumb 242 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 3: drives of what we're led to believe are acts of 243 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 3: sexual note of rate against children at Zoro Ranch. But 244 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: the former employee wants a bitcoin. Now, at the time 245 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 3: the individual was trying to sell copies of the videos, 246 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 3: asking for one bitcoin, it was only worth about eight 247 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 3: thousand dollars, but that was the price this former employee 248 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 3: was demanding. Now, all of the emails were to the FBI, 249 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 3: which is how we found out of them in the 250 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 3: property dump that came out on Epstein. There will be more, 251 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 3: but that's the videos that were surreptitiously recorded at Zoro 252 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 3: Ranch involving underage girls. 253 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 1: This is like no ranch I've ever seen. Nothing. This 254 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: so called ranch is thirty thousand square feet. Look at 255 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: this video from our friends at Koat. Look at that 256 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: thirty thousand square feet sitting on nearly eight thousand acres. 257 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: The bodies could be anywhere. How long is it going 258 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: to take cadaver dogs to search all of this for 259 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 1: Pete's sake? That is unlike any ranch I've ever seen. Wow, Okay, 260 00:16:52,040 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: what more do we know? Now? This is crazy, Doctor 261 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: Bethany Marshall. Conspiracy theorists are saying that the entire war 262 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: in Iran is to take our attention off Epstein. They 263 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:16,680 Speaker 1: are also saying the search for our friend Savannah Guthrie's mother, 264 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:21,080 Speaker 1: Nancy Guthrie, is some type of crazy plot to take 265 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: our mind off Epstein. Nobody's forgotten Epstein we're coming through 266 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,359 Speaker 1: every document that we get, and trust me, there's a 267 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: lot more that they're holding on to. But doctor Bethany, 268 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: what is wrong with people? 269 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 7: Well, you know in Congress hasn't forgotten either of the 270 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 7: Truth Commission is interviewing or questioning people every day, you know, Nancy, 271 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 7: Conspiracy theorists is really associated with narcissism, meaning that a 272 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 7: person plants an idea in their own head based upon 273 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,159 Speaker 7: some thin truth or reality, and they overvalue what they know. 274 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 7: It's like a form of grandiosity, and they have a 275 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 7: low interest in the truth. So it's interesting because these 276 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 7: conspiracy theorists who are piling on in a way, it's 277 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 7: a little bit like this employee who wanted to sell 278 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:18,680 Speaker 7: information about girls being tortured for eight thousand dollars. She's 279 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 7: trying to monetize the crime. So that tells me just 280 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,400 Speaker 7: how much Jeffrey Epstein had people around him who were 281 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 7: also criminals, like an enterprise. I also think that this 282 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 7: ranch is interesting. It's like the island. It's so isolated 283 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 7: so that people cannot get a girl's children cannot get away, 284 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,400 Speaker 7: and what we know about sex offenders, they organize their 285 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 7: entire lives around their perversions, an island Lalita Express, a 286 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 7: ranch way out in nowhere, a Manhattan townhouse where he 287 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 7: can entertain royalty and rich businessmen and moo other people 288 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 7: to come in and join in on his crime. So 289 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 7: back to the conspiracy, theori is there's a thin little 290 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 7: bit of truth, whereas there's a lot of distraction going 291 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 7: on because there are a lot of men and women 292 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 7: who are just sweating it out right now, hoping we 293 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 7: will forget. But you're right, Nancy, we haven't forgotten. You're 294 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 7: covering this night after night after night, so you are 295 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 7: doing right by the victims. 296 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 5: But right here, hidden in plain sight, Jeffrey Epstein and 297 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 5: Gawayne Maxwell built something very different, a house of horrors. 298 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: We're here to say. 299 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 5: That money and power do not buy you a different 300 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,040 Speaker 5: set of laws. 301 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 6: And one of the significant and important pieces of this 302 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 6: case is to understand why justice was never pursued at 303 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:47,760 Speaker 6: the state, local, or federal level. So this investigation is 304 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 6: a crucial piece of trying to understand what happened at 305 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,439 Speaker 6: the ranch to look for potential crimes that may have 306 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 6: occurred on the ranch property, especially because after Jeffrey Epstein 307 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 6: was arrested in twenty nineteen and other properties were searched. 308 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 6: Zoro Ranch was never properly searched. 309 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: KRQE and from Representative Melanie Stansbury. Crime stories with Nancy 310 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 1: Grace Epstein file still to be released, major redactions and 311 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,960 Speaker 1: I guarantee you, regardless of what Bondi has said, we've 312 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: had conflicting reports from her, there is a witness list. 313 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: There is not a witness list. Just got Morgan. There's 314 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: not a witness list on a silver platter on top 315 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: of a Christmas tree with a bow on it. That's 316 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: not how it works. You have to come through every document. 317 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: You have to follow leads like this employee that observed 318 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,879 Speaker 1: the torture and possibly death that occurred at Zori Ranch, 319 00:20:56,160 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: right here on US soil, not far away in France, 320 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: in the stands, not in his Lowlia Island at US 321 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 1: Virgin Islands, but right here under our nose. Do you 322 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: know he had that property over thirty years? You want 323 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: to tell me nobody noticed anything. Multiple now grown women 324 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: say they were groomed there. Hey, Joe Scott, I want 325 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: you to listen to Juliet Bryant and Epstein victim. 326 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:25,919 Speaker 9: As the planet took off, he started forcefully touching me 327 00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 9: in between my legs, and I just freaked out and 328 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 9: I realized, I said, hedis Oh my god, my family, 329 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:31,800 Speaker 9: I'm going to see me again. 330 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 2: These people might kill me. 331 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:37,880 Speaker 6: New Mexico's Zoro Ranch is a place where multiple crimes 332 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 6: were reported, both to federal authorities as well as state 333 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 6: and local authorities. In fact, there are records dating back 334 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 6: to the mid nineteen nineties of abuse happening at the ranch, 335 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 6: including a report to the FBI in nineteen ninety six 336 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 6: by a survivor and multiple other reports over the years. 337 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: Back to the nineties. And nobody did a thing. Nobody 338 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: did a thing that was for our president Sky News 339 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: and Representative Melanie Stansbury. So here we are, Here we are, 340 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan. How do you go about it's like 341 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: an archaeological dig, finding bodies a little girls purported to 342 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 1: be buried somewhere in that nearly eight thousand acre ranch. 343 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 4: Well, the first thing you do is you don't call 344 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,120 Speaker 4: them civilian volunteers. God bless them. I'm happy that they 345 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 4: like to help out. The government is aware of this, Nancy. 346 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 4: So the way you have to do this before you 347 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 4: ever put boots on the ground is that they're going 348 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 4: to have to do satellite imagery out here. This is 349 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 4: a vast area, and you have to go back back 350 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 4: in time as far as you can to do all 351 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 4: of the satellite runs in this area where these sites 352 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 4: have been captured, moving forward to see if there's any 353 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 4: kind of changes in that property, and they're going to 354 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 4: have to dig in. This is going to call on 355 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 4: I would imagine the resources of maybe the intelligence community 356 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 4: to be able to read these things from a geoscience standpoint. 357 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 4: Then you're going to have to do passovers with drones 358 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 4: that have spectral cameras on them so that they can 359 00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:26,479 Speaker 4: look at even using infrared. And this is before you 360 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 4: ever put people on the ground knocking down brush walking 361 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 4: over areas that they don't know what they're looking for. 362 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 4: And it's at that point in time that they go 363 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,639 Speaker 4: out and they find the best forensic ant and I 364 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 4: pay attention, the best forensic anthropologists and geologists that they can, 365 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 4: and they head these teams up and they break them 366 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 4: down into teams I'm thinking probably crime scene investigators led 367 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,960 Speaker 4: by forensic anthropologists and a geologist, and they break this 368 00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: thing into huge grid squares and they work it, they 369 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 4: work it, they work it. Listen if their bodies out 370 00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 4: and I believe that there's a high probability that there's 371 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 4: more than two. I think that they've got all the 372 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 4: time in the world to facilitate this. Don't go in 373 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 4: there half cocked and screw evidence up. You work it 374 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 4: very precisely, documenting everything along the way. This is going 375 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:22,720 Speaker 4: to be a very involved process, and I know people 376 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 4: are inflamed over this. I know they're impassioned about it. 377 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 4: But if you want to honor any victims that are 378 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: out there, you have to take your time working the cases. 379 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 4: Some of this evidence, if their bodies out there, is 380 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 4: going to be very very fragile. Nancy, I don't believe 381 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 4: that these are going to be shallow graves. You're talking 382 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 4: about an individual that had a quote unquote cattle ranch. 383 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 4: I don't think this idiot knew a whole stem from 384 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 4: a longhorn, but he called it that he's grazing cattle. 385 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 4: He probably had heavy equipment. I'm talking about like back hose, bulldozers. 386 00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 4: They dug a trench. They would put bodies in there 387 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 4: and then cover up. That's the kind of thing you're 388 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 4: looking for from a bird's eye view with imagery. You 389 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,359 Speaker 4: want to see if the landscape has changed any way? 390 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 4: How far out did they go? This so called anonymous 391 00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 4: source that the FBI has the email from claims that 392 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,959 Speaker 4: he knew a specific location. Well, how specific is it? 393 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: And by the way, talking about pressing on an investigation, 394 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 4: have they tracked this person down? And I want to 395 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 4: know if the screws are being put to this person? 396 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 4: You know, what do you know? You say, and you 397 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,399 Speaker 4: know all of this information, give us more specifics. As 398 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 4: a matter of fact, come and take a plane ride 399 00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 4: with us. Come out there. We're going to put you 400 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 4: on the ground and you're going to show us where 401 00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 4: you have specific knowledge of where these remains are buried. 402 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 4: That's what they need to be doing at this point 403 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:45,440 Speaker 4: in time. 404 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: Two linn Shaw joining us, founder director of Lyn's Warriors. Lynn. 405 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: The way the girls were lured there, it's classic, its textbook. 406 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: They were flown there on private planes. They went swimming, 407 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: horseback riding, posing for pictures, shopping sprees, and then came 408 00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: the rape. Yeah, it's called. 409 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 8: The grooming process, Nancy, where one gains the trust of 410 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 8: a vulnerable person, and certainly for a young girl, you know, 411 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 8: a teen a young woman being around power and wealth, 412 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,119 Speaker 8: celebrities or government officials. It's so exciting. I do have 413 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 8: to ask, though, and I'm always asking, you know, where 414 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,680 Speaker 8: were the parents when all of this was going on. 415 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 8: But the grooming process is simply gaining the trust, you know, 416 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 8: giving expensive presents, treating them like they've never been treated 417 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 8: in their life, making them feel so extra special that 418 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,800 Speaker 8: these young, impressionable girls and women would do anything right to. 419 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,359 Speaker 1: Be part of this. 420 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,840 Speaker 8: So the next step is, Okay, we're gonna fly off 421 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 8: to the ranch. 422 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 7: We're gonna have a great time. 423 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 8: We're gonna go horseback riding, we're gonna have a chef, 424 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 8: we're gonna have massages, and we're gonna have you know, 425 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 8: mammy petties and all kinds of stuff and shopping. Okay, 426 00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 8: that happens for a little while, and then they go 427 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 8: in typical you know, predator for the kill, and the 428 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,480 Speaker 8: girls are trapped. The young women are trapped again. As 429 00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,720 Speaker 8: I was told repeatedly, there was nowhere to run, nowhere 430 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 8: to hide. They couldn't get away. I in my mind 431 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 8: have nightmares about girls. Actually, one actually told me she 432 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,239 Speaker 8: tried running and running and running, and they caught up 433 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 8: to her and grabbed her and brought her back to 434 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 8: the house. This is what she reported to me. So 435 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 8: after all of this, there was nowhere for them to go. 436 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,400 Speaker 8: And remember there was also an airstrip on this property, 437 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 8: and a source of mind just told me to look 438 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 8: at this property and to properly you know, do digs 439 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 8: and things like that would actually be eight and a 440 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 8: half to nine years to properly look over all these 441 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 8: thousands of acres. So this is a sexual predator, Glaine Maxwell, 442 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 8: all of their complicit people with them. And I have 443 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 8: to end with in asking you, why do we have 444 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 8: to keep begging for files to be released, names to 445 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 8: be released. These videos have told us names over the years. 446 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 8: Let's go and find them, Let's you know, charge them 447 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 8: with something. Let's ask them to show us. Let's question people. 448 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 8: I do not understand the hold up, but you know what, 449 00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,159 Speaker 8: I fear we will never get to the bottom of 450 00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:13,680 Speaker 8: this crime ever. 451 00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 1: Speaking of the victims at Zoro Ranch that many people 452 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 1: are just now hearing about, and this is happening under 453 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: our own noses. On you as soil listen, and. 454 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 9: I suddenly realized I had to like this, be nice 455 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,960 Speaker 9: and be friendly because I realized that that was in 456 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 9: great danger and he's assaulting you and the other women 457 00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 9: they're laughing. Yeah, they saw and they just laughed. I 458 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 9: was really really petrified, and you know, it just really 459 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 9: changed me the whole thing, you know, being going through this, 460 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 9: and I just didn't know what to do, and I 461 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 9: was I just really thought that I was going to die. 462 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,959 Speaker 1: That is Juliette Bryant an Epstein Victims speaking to our 463 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: friends as Sky News doctor Bethany Marshall. It's classic. It's 464 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: text book luring. Money was nothing to Ebstain and Galene 465 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 1: Maxwell nothing. She stood by and watched this happen. She 466 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: lured the girls there, she took part in the assaults, 467 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 1: and now she's sitting in club fed running the jail. 468 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 7: But this is classic, you know, Nancy, it is classic. 469 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 7: And to add to what Lynn Shaw said, which was 470 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 7: so profound and riveting, just to listen to her. You know, 471 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 7: pedophiles also they lure other pedophiles too, So there was 472 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 7: a whole group of people on this ranch who were 473 00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 7: in on it. It's like it was operating like a 474 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 7: cult in a sense, where all the benefits flowed to 475 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:47,120 Speaker 7: the leader. But I think another thing that Jeffrey Epstein 476 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 7: did to lure these girls is that he propped himself 477 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 7: up as this kind of guru and he started giving 478 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 7: them advice about their future. That's a little bit like 479 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 7: p Diddy, right, you know, I'll make you a star. 480 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 7: I'm going to give you a singing contract. This guy 481 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 7: Epstein was so good at getting money from other people, 482 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 7: and he lorded over these girls and made them feel 483 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 7: like they would be rich and famous too. And by 484 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 7: the time he began molesting them, Nancy, A part of 485 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 7: the grooming process is that for the victim, confusion sets in. 486 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 7: These girls would have told themselves, well, I went here voluntarily. 487 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 7: I enjoyed the manny petties and the movies and the cash. 488 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 7: And I did tell him that I wanted him to 489 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,160 Speaker 7: be a part of my future. Maybe I caused this 490 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 7: to happen. That is the confusion of the victim until 491 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 7: the terror sets in and they try to get away, 492 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 7: and then they are in this isolated place. You know, Nancy, 493 00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 7: it's like the the FLDS cult. Remember when the women 494 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 7: tried to get away, other cult members actually went after them, 495 00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 7: attacked them, brought them back, tortured them, brutalized them. So 496 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,640 Speaker 7: there's going to be an intimidation process on this ranch 497 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 7: that when the girls try to get away, they're brought 498 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 7: back and probably beaten and tortured even more. They fancied 499 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 7: there was no getting out of it. At that point, 500 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 7: the noose was around their neck metaphorically and literally. 501 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,560 Speaker 1: You're seeing only the outfits the little girls were forced 502 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: to dress up in for Epstein and Maxwell. And in 503 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 1: her book, Virginia Giffrey one of Epstein and Maxwell's many, 504 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,320 Speaker 1: many victims, and there's Maxwell just sitting there with that 505 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: smug look on her face. Virginia Giffrey was a girl 506 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: when she was first assaulted by these two. She said 507 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 1: that Epstein and Maxwell had set Zoro up to be 508 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:49,240 Speaker 1: like a Disneyland for the girls. And I've just got 509 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: to tell you to let me go out to Joe 510 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan on this, Jo Scott, I remember one of 511 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,680 Speaker 1: the first, maybe the first sodomy case, rape and sodomy 512 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: on a little African American boy and the perp he 513 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: was learning disabled in fact, on the stand and I 514 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: had tried to work with him, with his mom sitting 515 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:24,080 Speaker 1: there with me on the stand. He couldn't really verbalize 516 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: what happened. Two. It was really hard. But just remember 517 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: the purp's name, Kenneth Cherry that said he the little 518 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: boy loved video games. I may have told you this before, 519 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: love video games. So the defendant would hang out at 520 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, like an arcade like remember Aladdin's Castle or 521 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: Aladdin's Den or something, would be in mauled something like that. 522 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,600 Speaker 1: Not necessarily that one, but something like that. And to 523 00:32:56,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: lurred this little boy learning disabled, he would give him 524 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:08,640 Speaker 1: rolls of quarters. Yep. And when the purpose home was rated, 525 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: there was a child. He was married, had a great 526 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 1: white collar job, bringing in a lot of money. Mister perfect, 527 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: perfect home, perfect yard, perfect everything. When it was rated 528 00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: there was child porn and big containers of vasoline. He 529 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: would use to rape this to only rate this little boy. 530 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: And the boy could hardly talk. And the mom got 531 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: suspicious when she was cleaning the boy's pants and she 532 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: found like two crisp ten dollar bills in his pocket. 533 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: Where did he get this? And he used the video 534 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: games as a lure point. Virginia Geoffrey said that Epstein 535 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: and Glene Maxwell set up Zorro to be like Disneyland 536 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: for the girls and then by the time they're in 537 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,719 Speaker 1: the middle of a rape everything they've been there for days, 538 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: being whined and dined, shopping sprees, horseback riding, a beautiful pool. 539 00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,720 Speaker 1: And there's the quid quote qu on a little girl, 540 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: a little girl that doesn't know any better. 541 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 4: It's amazing. These people are such predators that they will bait. 542 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,480 Speaker 4: They will bait these individuals that are easily manipulated, that 543 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 4: are drawn in. They want all of these fantastic things 544 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,439 Speaker 4: that are being offered to them. They think that they're 545 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 4: going to come potentially without a price. And when you're lacking, 546 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:44,480 Speaker 4: when you're lacking maybe emotional maturity, you can't pick up 547 00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 4: on it and you don't realize that you're in the 548 00:34:46,200 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 4: room with a monster all of a sudden, and that 549 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: makes it all the worse. It's not that they necessarily 550 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 4: wanted to come back to get more from this individual. 551 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,759 Speaker 4: Now you've passed the rupcon at that point in time. 552 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,839 Speaker 4: Now they're terrified to say anything. They're terrified to say 553 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 4: no to this individual, so they wind up giving in 554 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,280 Speaker 4: many times, and it's a horrible set of circumstances and Nancy, 555 00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: when I think about it, a lot of these victims 556 00:35:13,040 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 4: that we're hearing about are in positions of vulnerability. I'm 557 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,759 Speaker 4: thinking about a lot of the victims that they've talked 558 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 4: about that may have come from, say, other locations where 559 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 4: English is not necessarily their first language. Just imagine, just 560 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,960 Speaker 4: imagine that you're being flown in on a private plane. 561 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 4: Perhaps you're being brought to a location that's out in 562 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 4: the middle of the desert. Not only do you not 563 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 4: know where you are, you can't communicate effectively with anybody. 564 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 4: I think that with Virginia's case, she actually stated that 565 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 4: she was present on the island with two girls in 566 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 4: a room during one of these horrible events, and they 567 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:55,480 Speaker 4: English was not their first language. My question has always been, 568 00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:00,879 Speaker 4: relative to this case. You bring these young women and say, 569 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:04,200 Speaker 4: for instance, or girls, and they can't speak English effectively, 570 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:06,600 Speaker 4: what happens to them? Do you put them back on 571 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 4: a plane and you fly them back to wherever they're from? 572 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 4: Do you just cut them loose on the streets. And 573 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 4: that's where this really turns dark, because you look at 574 00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 4: a place like Zorro that is so incredibly vast Nancy. 575 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,720 Speaker 4: The best way to put an end to anybody saying anything, 576 00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 4: perhaps is to dig a hole in the ground and 577 00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 4: stick them in there after you have murdered them. And 578 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,000 Speaker 4: I think that that's a distinct possibility. That's a potential 579 00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:36,040 Speaker 4: for something that could have happened out there. You know, 580 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 4: you have to ask yourself this question. If somebody was 581 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,239 Speaker 4: willing to go down this dark road sexually, what is 582 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 4: the barrier that prevents them from taking the next step, 583 00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,680 Speaker 4: which is eradication of their victim? And I don't think 584 00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 4: it's a very far journey. 585 00:36:51,719 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 9: Nancy and I suddenly realized I had to like just 586 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 9: be nice and be friendly because I realized that that 587 00:36:58,280 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 9: I was in great danger. 588 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: He's assaulting you. 589 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 9: And the other women they're laughing, Yeah, they saw theiric laugh. 590 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 9: I was really really petrified, and you know, it just 591 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,280 Speaker 9: really changed me the whole thing, you know, being going 592 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,400 Speaker 9: through this, and I just didn't know what to do, 593 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 9: and I was I just really thought that I was 594 00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 9: gonna die. 595 00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: From our friends's Sky News Crime Stories with Nancy Grace 596 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: Epstein has a baby that said, what about Gilaine Maxwell, 597 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,839 Speaker 1: How is it that she can clam up and sit 598 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:45,880 Speaker 1: at club fed running the place, having every possible and 599 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: nothing's happening while we are looking for bodies at Zoro 600 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 1: Ranch and what about the rest of the files. You 601 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:59,680 Speaker 1: think we're gonna forget about that, Bondy, We're not to Dave. 602 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm joining us. What can you tell me about Gilaine Maxwell? 603 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,279 Speaker 1: Here's nothing more than a pimp. Nancy. 604 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 3: Gilaine Maxwell is in prison in Texas and apparently works 605 00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 3: out every day but doesn't bathe. The other inmates say 606 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 3: she is so nasty inside and out that you know, 607 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 3: prison smells bad as it is, and she's the worst. 608 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 3: She doesn't wait in line in the chow line. She 609 00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 3: just buffaloes her way straight through. And you know what, Nancy, 610 00:38:31,120 --> 00:38:34,880 Speaker 3: the inmates allow it to happen because he she's nasty. 611 00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 3: B The woman has filed eight hundred complaints in one 612 00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: year against people and things in the prison. She is 613 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 3: known throughout the prison to do to get things done 614 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,799 Speaker 3: by filing complaints and been very effective at it to 615 00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 3: One good example is she Glaine Maxwell actually taught an 616 00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 3: etiquette class in prison, then took twelve weeks, one day 617 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 3: a week, teaching law and how to file things for inmates. 618 00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 3: Then she actually tried to take advantage of a religious 619 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 3: ceremony where the kitchen staff was pouring the great views 620 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:21,439 Speaker 3: for this particular Jewish ceremony, and Elaine wanted to pour 621 00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:24,600 Speaker 3: her own and the inmates said, you're not coming in 622 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 3: the kitchen. I know you don't bathe after your work out. 623 00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: You stink. 624 00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 3: You surely aren't washing your hands. You're not coming in here, 625 00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 3: the inmate said. Within a day, Elaine Maxwell was in 626 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:36,680 Speaker 3: the kitchen doing her own thing. 627 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:41,279 Speaker 1: This is DJ video we've just obtained of her in 628 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,200 Speaker 1: her cell. Okay, uh, before I go out to our 629 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: friend doctor Dwayne Hendrix, dor Bethony Marshall, explain the stink. 630 00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,600 Speaker 1: Why is it that we hear about, for instance, Hollywood 631 00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: stars and really really rich people, they don't think they 632 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,239 Speaker 1: have to bathe. 633 00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:03,879 Speaker 7: This is actually a qu peculiarity of sociopathy. And I'll 634 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 7: explain it to you, Nancy. When you are so grandiose 635 00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,440 Speaker 7: that you feel that you are at the center of things, 636 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 7: that you're limitless, that everybody looks up to you and 637 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,560 Speaker 7: admires you, you feel no need to bathe because such 638 00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,000 Speaker 7: and such doesn't stink, right, That's where that phrase comes from. 639 00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 7: You feel that people will admire you no matter how 640 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 7: you look, no matter how you smell, that you are 641 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,840 Speaker 7: beloved and That's why. You know, it's interesting when I 642 00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:38,760 Speaker 7: have patients come into my office who are disheveled, poorly dressed, 643 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,919 Speaker 7: but maybe they're celebrities. 644 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:41,759 Speaker 1: I do have it. 645 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:46,480 Speaker 7: That's one of the tells or the signs of pathological narcissism, 646 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,680 Speaker 7: because they are not concerned about how other people view 647 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 7: them because they believe that they are constantly admired. 648 00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: Doctor Dwyane Hendricks, let me see him, Let me see 649 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:09,480 Speaker 1: his beautiful face. Hendrix. Guys, just so you know, former 650 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:15,080 Speaker 1: Warden MDC Metropolitan Detention Center, Brooklyn, also Warden Sheridan, Oregon, 651 00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,800 Speaker 1: former Senior Warden USDOJ, Federal Bureau of Prisons, founder president 652 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 1: a New Daylight Foundation, and author of who Are You 653 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: See It? Say It Sees It? Why can't she be 654 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:30,760 Speaker 1: forced to take a bath? 655 00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 10: Well, Fortunately, the fact that she was moved from a 656 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 10: secure facility to a much lesser security camp than Texas 657 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:44,880 Speaker 10: showed and they broke policy when they did that showed 658 00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:48,400 Speaker 10: you the power and influence that she has over the agency. 659 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,680 Speaker 10: And unfortunately, individuals like her, who again who have their 660 00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,120 Speaker 10: have the influence. They have staff scared, they have inmates scared, 661 00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,480 Speaker 10: because at the end of the day, if you're inmate 662 00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,400 Speaker 10: in the camp with her. You don't want to be 663 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:07,200 Speaker 10: moved to a secure facility or a jail because you've 664 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:12,799 Speaker 10: pissed this this person off. And typically inmates kind of 665 00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 10: police themselves, especially when it comes to sanitation and taking 666 00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,960 Speaker 10: care of yourself. You know, you know why, you know, 667 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,399 Speaker 10: taking a shower and being clean and all of that. 668 00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:26,720 Speaker 10: But unfortunately this individual will will. 669 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:32,920 Speaker 1: Will woo whoa police themselves. Yes, you're expecting murderers and 670 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:36,960 Speaker 1: rapists and dope lords to quote police themselves so they 671 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 1: don't stink. No, I'm not saying that the world are 672 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:41,920 Speaker 1: you from. 673 00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 10: This is the prison world. At the end of the day. 674 00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 10: Ninety percent of the time, inmates will say, look, you're 675 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:51,200 Speaker 10: not going to be in my cell, You're not going 676 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 10: to be in my bunk, you're not going to be 677 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 10: in this unit if you're if you're not going to 678 00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 10: take care of business. So and she surely wouldn't be 679 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:02,880 Speaker 10: going in the chowhaul skipping lines. I mean, that's that's 680 00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:05,760 Speaker 10: disrespect and disrespect in a prison. 681 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 1: She is Hendrick, she is. It's happening. They mac didn't 682 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:14,840 Speaker 1: make that up. People from inside the CI Correctional Institute 683 00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,200 Speaker 1: are saying this is happening. 684 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 10: And there are in the staff are in fear of 685 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 10: their jobs. And that is the reason why. The fact 686 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 10: that they moved her from a secure facility with more 687 00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,520 Speaker 10: than ten years on her prison sentence and they shipped 688 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,120 Speaker 10: her to a camp. You're not even supposed to be 689 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,280 Speaker 10: at a camp if you have more than ten years, 690 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,359 Speaker 10: and you definitely wouldn't be at a camp if you're 691 00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,560 Speaker 10: serving time for sex trafficking and a pedophile. That would 692 00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 10: never happen. So the fact that that happened, it put 693 00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 10: everybody on palls, and its creating an environment where staff 694 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:55,240 Speaker 10: aren't taking care of business and they're not holding inmate, 695 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 10: this specific inmate accountable, and she feels like she can 696 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 10: go and run around and do all the things that 697 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 10: she wants to do. And that's because of the power 698 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 10: influence that she's yielded across this nation and across our 699 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,439 Speaker 10: leadership and government. So and that's unfortunate, Lynn Shaw. 700 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:18,160 Speaker 1: You know that she Elaine Maxwell, knows what happened at Zorro. 701 00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: She knows, and she took part in it, and no 702 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 1: one is making her talk. She's not being charged with 703 00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,240 Speaker 1: a thing. Nothing. 704 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,840 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think the question we should be asking is 705 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,680 Speaker 8: why is she allowed from what I hear my sources, 706 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,160 Speaker 8: to run the camp? And I have a different take. 707 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 8: You know, she just is walking around all smelly, by 708 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,319 Speaker 8: the way, she should just rot in this camp, by 709 00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,080 Speaker 8: the way, just to offend people because she's ruling the 710 00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 8: roost from what we hear, and you know what she's promised. 711 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,400 Speaker 1: Let's ask these questions. 712 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,120 Speaker 8: What's waiting for her when she gets out? Is she 713 00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 8: getting a pardon? Why is all of this? And I 714 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 8: have to point out this is why sex trafficking victims 715 00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:02,280 Speaker 8: don't come forward, don't want to talk about anything, because 716 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 8: they see stories I can even call this a story, 717 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:07,520 Speaker 8: a crime spree that's gone on for decades like this, 718 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,360 Speaker 8: and they say, why bother, it's the power of the 719 00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 8: wealth and this woman, a woman doing this to girls 720 00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:18,280 Speaker 8: and young women smiling. This is why they don't come forward, 721 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 8: because they say, nobody believes us, nobody wants to hear 722 00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 8: what we have to say. And so Pam BONDI better 723 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 8: get these files released. Even that you know what, again, 724 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 8: I'm going to maintain we are never going to see 725 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 8: the videos. There's a lot of video we heard about. 726 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 8: I don't know where the videos are more pictures. What's 727 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 8: going on here? 728 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:36,880 Speaker 1: So you know what? 729 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 8: This is such a disservice to sex trafficking victims all 730 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,040 Speaker 8: over the United States and across the world. But the 731 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,120 Speaker 8: question is why is she allowed to run the camp? 732 00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,080 Speaker 8: I'm calling it the camp because we hear she disappears 733 00:45:47,080 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 8: twice a week in a big black suv and is 734 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 8: off for two hours doing something we don't know what 735 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 8: that is, and then comes back and nobody opens their mouths. 736 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 8: So we should be pressing on why is this allowed 737 00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,359 Speaker 8: to happen, What's going on with her? 738 00:45:59,719 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 7: Why? 739 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,719 Speaker 8: Why we cannot give up on this story. We have 740 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:04,919 Speaker 8: to talk about it. Twenty four seven, three sixty five. 741 00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: Dave mac Epstein has a baby. 742 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:16,239 Speaker 3: Believe it or not, Nancy, This is not that uncommon 743 00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:20,759 Speaker 3: knowledge in his inner circle. Jeffrey Epstein told one of 744 00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 3: the abusing that he had a baby, a little boy, 745 00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,360 Speaker 3: with and he pointed at a picture on the wall 746 00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,160 Speaker 3: of this beautiful, beautiful woman, and he called her the 747 00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,200 Speaker 3: perfect woman, the perfect woman who, by the way, apparently 748 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,440 Speaker 3: the mother of his child. He had a clay mold 749 00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 3: made of her buttocks and has that in his or 750 00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 3: former mansion in New York City. But Nancy, it's not 751 00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:54,080 Speaker 3: just a hidden thing here. We're talking about Andrew, the 752 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,439 Speaker 3: former Duke. He actually told Sarah, his wife at the time, 753 00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:04,040 Speaker 3: and she sent an email congratulating Epstein on the birth 754 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:08,319 Speaker 3: of the baby boy. So, yes, Epstein has an error. 755 00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know how that is going to spin out. 756 00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: Who is the child? Does a child know who the 757 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:25,600 Speaker 1: father is? Right now, I'm more concerned about the bodies 758 00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:30,360 Speaker 1: that may be uncovered at Zoro Ranch and finding out why. 759 00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:34,040 Speaker 1: Even though complaints were made, official complaints were made as 760 00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:38,960 Speaker 1: far back as the nineties, nothing was done. If you 761 00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: know or think you know anything about what occurred on 762 00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: Zoro Ranch, please dial toll free eight hundred call FBI 763 00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:55,600 Speaker 1: eight hundred two two five five three two four. Nancy 764 00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,160 Speaker 1: Grace signing off, goodbye friend,