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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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Speaker 2: Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: This is Nick Shot, streaming live on Dallascowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys apt now Here are Bill Jones,

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Speaker 1: HECMA Harrison, Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 3: It's a Tuesday inside the SWBC podcast studio, the morning

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Speaker 3: after a national championship was won a couple of days

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Speaker 3: now after our Championship game, combatants were determined over the

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Speaker 3: weekend as far as the NFC Championship game. In the

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Speaker 3: NFC Championship game, we got head coach hirings around the NFL,

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Speaker 3: including one today that could affect this Cowboys coaching staff.

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Speaker 3: We'll get into in just a moment, and so much

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Speaker 3: more to get into. This is Mick Shots, Sir Bill

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Speaker 3: Jones with Everson Walls, HECMA Harrison, and Mickey Spagnola.

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Speaker 2: Spagnola.

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Speaker 4: All right, before we start, I need to apologize for

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Speaker 4: my performance in our last show, very unprofessional. I apologized

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Speaker 4: to you that made it uncomfortable to run the show.

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Speaker 4: Apologize to you for having to sit through the whole thing.

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Speaker 4: Apologized to Chris for having to produce something that was

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Speaker 4: below our standards. I apologize to Hekma escalating our argument

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Speaker 4: by calling him a name and telling him to shut up.

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Speaker 4: Apologize to all you guys and mostly to the listeners

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Speaker 4: who had to sit through my temper tamperant. And hopefully

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Speaker 4: we could continue to have civil conversations even if we

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Speaker 4: disagree without me escalating everything. So hopefully you guys can

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Speaker 4: accept that and you don't need to respond to anything.

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Speaker 4: And we've got what five games to talk about that

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Speaker 4: took place over the weekend. And also, and this might

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Speaker 4: be the hardest part, I got a text message. I

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Speaker 4: think it was Saturday, Sunday. I've lost track of the days.

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Speaker 4: I think it was Sunday that Cowboys former bus driver

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Speaker 4: Emerly Tyler passed Bay had a heart attack. And if

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Speaker 4: not for Emory driving the bus that day we had

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Speaker 4: the accident, I wouldn't be sitting here right now because

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Speaker 4: we got knocked off the road. And if he didn't

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Speaker 4: drive that bus down the culvert where we got knocked

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Speaker 4: he saved his own life and three of ours, including mine.

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Speaker 4: So this one was very hard for me that to

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Speaker 4: see that happened to such a gregarious guy that was

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Speaker 4: really good at his job and what he did and

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Speaker 4: the sacrifices he made to drive that Cowboys bus for

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Speaker 4: this organization for I don't know, twenty twenty five years

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Speaker 4: something like that. So condolences to his family and it's

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Speaker 4: that one really hits me hard. So if we're want

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Speaker 5: I got something to say as well this past weekend.

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Speaker 5: Check Brooks from the San Francisco forty nine ers. He

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Speaker 5: passed on. He worked with my foundation. He's an Ethos champion,

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Speaker 5: as we call him. We were working with his son,

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Speaker 5: Terrence Brooks, who was at the University of Texas and

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Speaker 5: then went to Illinois, and I was wondering what was

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Speaker 5: going on with him because he dropped out of there

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Speaker 5: as well. And I would imagine this because of the

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Speaker 5: bad health of his father, just like badly cancer battling cancer.

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Speaker 5: Wouldn't tell anybody, you know. I was pretty close to

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Speaker 5: to find out he was not.

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Speaker 2: Which is the way most brothers do it.

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Speaker 5: You know, you don't want anybody to worry about you

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Speaker 5: and things of that nature, so that family really needs

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Speaker 5: I love as well, including what was going on a

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Speaker 5: all sides in regards to people just going too soon

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Speaker 5: High School and Midland born in Middland O desk. I

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Speaker 5: didn't know that part of them because I have people

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Speaker 3: No desk and Mickey just to people know what happened on.

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Speaker 3: How long ago was that that was on the way

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it would be ten years ago this July July

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Speaker 4: twenty fifth. Something stick in your mind. I tried to

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Speaker 4: It was the loudest thing I think I've ever heard

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Speaker 4: It's like, how did you do that? And he goes,

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Speaker 4: I just went back to my training that you know,

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Speaker 4: They wanted us to spend the night, but the guy

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Speaker 4: Oxnard if you want. And it was like, are you

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Speaker 4: sure I've already faked death once. I don't want you

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Speaker 4: to fall asleep because it was going to be ten

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Speaker 4: And I said okay, and he was distraught, I'll never

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Speaker 4: drive the bus again, this and that. I kept telling him,

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Speaker 4: I said, on the floor, I'm not getting into bed

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Speaker 4: My responsibility is to deliver my passengers safely. And I

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Speaker 4: driving for a couple more years before he retired. It

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Speaker 4: always wanted to retire. He grew up in Wichita Falls,

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Speaker 4: you remember how hot it is there?

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Speaker 2: Oh? My god? But yeah.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, I got that text message the other night

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Speaker 3: So our condolences to Emery's family. Yeah, absolutely, Well, we

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Speaker 3: here in the last twelve hours or so. Apparently purportedly,

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Speaker 3: the Dolphins are hiring Jeff Hafley the Packers defensive coordinators

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Speaker 3: that the Titans are reportedly hiring Robert Sala as their

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Speaker 2: He's gonna try it again, huh.

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Speaker 3: And so of course he they just he and he

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Speaker 3: and so it didn't take long for Solid to get

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Speaker 3: the attention of the Titans. Of course, he coached on

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Speaker 3: Saturday Night for the San Francisco He's a defensive core

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Speaker 4: So did Salah hire him when he went.

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Speaker 3: To what they were they would have been together probably

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Speaker 3: just bring that up as there's if you connect the dots.

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Speaker 2: Have we even will did that? How about? Okay?

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Speaker 3: So how about we we get into that the in

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Speaker 3: how many mickey nine?

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Speaker 2: Okay?

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Speaker 3: Nine that they've spoken to virtual interviews to start with

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Speaker 4: So it was.

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Speaker 3: Jonathan Gannon, Cardinals head coach, who was let go within

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Speaker 3: the last two weeks. Time flies, and he's been here

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Speaker 3: in the last few hours, I think, and then Deronte Jones,

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Speaker 4: So one of the candidates I think they're interested in

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Speaker 3: As the assistant head coach and defensive pass game coordinator

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Speaker 3: There is a window next week though where you can

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Speaker 5: How did he break his ankle? The quarterback? Yeah, Bo Nicks,

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Speaker 5: I missed all that. The second to last player got

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Speaker 5: I got to stop myself from call him Bridge Cannon.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, I guess, but you know it would

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Speaker 6: I really look. I think as as this as this

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Speaker 6: kind of plays out with the defensive coordinators, I really

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Speaker 6: know I'm not going to be pavoy to the information

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Speaker 6: expanding his role on this defense. But that's what I

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Speaker 6: make this defense that will so bad because there's no where,

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Speaker 6: nowhere to go but up right, nowhere to go but up?

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Speaker 6: But what is the scheme that is going to turn

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Speaker 6: this Dallas Cowboys defense around? And I think Gannon, obviously

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Speaker 6: very qualified guy, has those years of experience. Are you

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Speaker 6: that have may not have had that opportunity as a

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Speaker 6: a linebacker coach or you know, or a position coach instead.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I mean, after seeing so much football this weekend,

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Speaker 6: there were some guys that I will see and I

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Speaker 6: know we can't mention anyone, but there are some guys

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Speaker 6: that I'm like, man, that would be cool to see

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Speaker 5: So so if we're talking about how old is Shoddy?

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Speaker 5: How old is Shoddy fifty one?

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Speaker 2: Would you think that he's the coach?

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Speaker 5: There are some some head coaches they have the, for

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Speaker 5: lack of a better term, mentor coming in.

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Speaker 2: Usually he's older. Do you think that he needs someone

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Speaker 5: A mentor type of defensive coordinator, a guy that's a

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Speaker 6: He talking about Pete Carroll. Okay, so I okay, I

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Speaker 6: mean all right. I mean that's that's an interesting wrinkle asso.

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Speaker 6: And I think that was what was discussed before he

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Speaker 6: I think Pete Carroll hadn't got hired with the Raiders yet.

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Speaker 3: See I can see, you know, because a lot of times,

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Speaker 3: and they're not the defensive coordinator, but they are a

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Speaker 3: senior coach, senior advisor. Yeah, that happens all the time.

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Speaker 3: And uh in fact, uh and and I thought crossed

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Speaker 2: Would imagine he is, yeah, we hear the government.

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Speaker 3: But that would then depend on who the defensive coordinator

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Speaker 3: and that's something to look for as a possibility. We'll see,

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Speaker 4: So you know, they went out of their way to

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Speaker 4: point out during that press conference that the next defensive

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Speaker 4: that's kind of what they've done previously, brought in a

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Speaker 4: The other thing that you know, with all these guys

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Speaker 3: And so kind of experience at some positions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and so they just want to pick guy's brains more.

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Speaker 4: You bring in Jerry did it that year. I want

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Speaker 4: what did you see we were doing? What were we

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Speaker 4: doing wrong? And if you had the opportunity, how would

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Speaker 2: To be the question. This is what we got, now,

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 4: And so scheme yeah, fine, but you got to pick

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Speaker 4: you're not going to come in here and say, okay,

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Speaker 4: we're running a three four because they don't have the

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Speaker 3: But they I mean answer your question and you talk

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Speaker 3: And so you can go either direction, whether it's in

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Speaker 6: You know, you multiples, you play everything exactly.

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Speaker 3: But there is pieces in place there with what they

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Speaker 6: You know, when I look at this, this is coaching

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Speaker 6: ever since it's about you know, is this guy coming

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Speaker 6: and to me, the Robert sala Higher, I think he's

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Speaker 6: I think I think for a defensive coordinator to come

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Speaker 6: and you saw it at the end for ebra Flus,

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Speaker 6: If it was five, if it was three, if it

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Speaker 6: Because what would you say? Deron Bland is as far

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Speaker 5: I think Deroon Bland's a man guy. You think he's

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Speaker 6: So savone revel coming out of Eastern Carolina, and what

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Speaker 5: At this point, I don't know what he is because

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Speaker 5: I can't say what he is right now. Initially I

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Speaker 5: what I saw in college. I haven't seen that in

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Speaker 6: Yet Yeah, that's the question that's got to get answered.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's got to get answered.

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Speaker 4: I think if you watch some of these playoffs, tams,

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Speaker 5: We started off like that, and yes we've seen that.

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Speaker 5: You got man on one side, that's that's pretty common,

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Speaker 5: of course. But if you're gonna come here, the first

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Speaker 2: You're gonna see me.

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Speaker 5: I have Dak, I have CD, I have picking. I mean,

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Speaker 3: And what resources the Cowboys have? Looking ahead the resources,

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Speaker 5: Back, you're gonna always have to buy somebody, but.

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Speaker 3: Most of the resources right now are going to go

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Speaker 5: Could you imagine all the defensive coordinators now who are

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Speaker 2: I don't think we would have a problem.

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Speaker 4: And I think when when guys look at it, if

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 4: The other thing in play here is a lot of

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Speaker 4: And it's something he did in college at Wisconsin. So

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: It's a lot, but they got to put their staffs

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Speaker 5: And so would this delay a lot of decisions around.

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Speaker 3: The What delays it as much as anything is if,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, to be the defensive coordinator. So a lot of

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Speaker 5: It always the question always comes like, Okay, how do

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Speaker 2: Do you do?

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Speaker 5: You start with bringing your own guys in? If you're

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Speaker 2: With but own?

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Speaker 4: But they have to be available.

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Speaker 3: And here's and here's where the Cowboys got intoto it

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Speaker 3: their feet in the interview and they say, you know

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Speaker 5: And you know, so it's like everyone is affected because

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing somebody else in if they're.

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Speaker 2: And bring in my own guy. Well, my own guy.

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Speaker 5: He's dealing with a new defensive coordinator to come in

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Speaker 5: over here, and now, you know, maybe I want to

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Speaker 3: And so as far as the carousel goes, you know,

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Speaker 3: we thought we had everybody on the carousel until yesterday

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Speaker 3: and then Sean McDermott gets on the carousel.

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Speaker 6: Wow, so that.

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Speaker 3: Throws a whole nother twist to the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: Okay, now.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't a ter throwing under the bus.

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Speaker 2: That's was really interesting.

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Speaker 3: But think about this like let's say, let's say Mike

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Speaker 3: McCarthy's agent. Okay, we got you in at Tennessee, you

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Speaker 3: got a in person interview there, we got you in

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Speaker 3: your hometown of Pittsburgh, and then all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: they got it called.

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Speaker 2: Uh well, Sean McDermott, forget.

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Speaker 6: What hold on, hold on, hold on at McDermott. That's true.

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Speaker 6: You know, give give Chicago credit, uh for for taking

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Speaker 3: There's another one from last year Allen was available, That's

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Speaker 3: let's save the National Championship game for the last segment.

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Speaker 3: And let's where we learning from these playoff teams.

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Speaker 2: And I'll start.

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Speaker 3: I'm learning a lot from those Seattle Seahawks and how

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Speaker 3: they played defense. That front for the Seattle Seahawks is

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Speaker 3: awesome to watch. And of course the Law is one

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Speaker 3: of those guys.

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Speaker 2: Let me say, I like to always eat crow when

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Speaker 2: i'd like to.

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Speaker 6: But now it's your turn.

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Speaker 2: Now's my turn.

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Speaker 5: De Law was talking trash about Michael Parson's He said,

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna go further than he's gonna go. And I'm like, man, see,

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Speaker 5: I ain't gonna do nothing. Well, sorry, d Law, you were.

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Speaker 4: Right against against the last word.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he gets the last word on that one, because

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Speaker 5: they ball and.

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Speaker 6: I gotta I gotta send a direct tweet about this,

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Speaker 6: and I said, I said, look, let's not gloss over

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Speaker 6: the fact that he's playing with some goons on that front.

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Speaker 6: It what a difference A Barron Murphy and Leonard Williams.

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Speaker 11: Murphy come on and just I mean that defense to me,

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Speaker 11: And even though they've had some injuries on the back

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Speaker 11: half of it, when you have a front that plays

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Speaker 11: like that, man, it makes everything so much it runs

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Speaker 11: so much easier.

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Speaker 6: I can't wait for this NFC Championship game.

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Speaker 2: I am.

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Speaker 6: This is one game that I am excited to sit

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Speaker 6: down and watch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I can kind of relate to d Law in

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Speaker 5: regards to going to another team. It's such a game

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Speaker 5: changer because you don't necessarily have to change what you

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Speaker 5: do what d Law came to the Seahawks with this ability.

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Speaker 2: He could see it.

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Speaker 5: He knew that with his supporting staff that he was

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Speaker 5: going to be able to wreck Havoc the way he's

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Speaker 5: done and this entire defensive line. So going into that

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Speaker 5: new environment coming from where he was here, you know,

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Speaker 5: we always saw him, We always lifted him up, and

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Speaker 5: we saw what he was doing, We saw what he

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Speaker 5: was amazed.

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Speaker 3: Playing like this last year and then he got hurt

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Speaker 3: with the Cowboys. Yeah, four games in he gets hurt.

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Speaker 2: But he's always held it down.

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Speaker 5: He's always held it down, even on a defense that

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Speaker 5: has had serious problems, especially for us stopping the run.

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Speaker 5: For him to go there and have the foresight, insight

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Speaker 5: or whatever to go there and understand that this is

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Speaker 5: the team that he needed to be on, regardless of

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Speaker 5: who the quarterback is. You got your running back there.

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Speaker 5: He took his chance, and so we'll see how far

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Speaker 5: he goes.

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Speaker 4: Well. He followed his defensive line coach there, ended up

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Speaker 4: being the defensive coordinator. So I bet that had a

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Speaker 4: lot to hear with his decision not only to sign there,

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Speaker 4: but for them to go after him because Dirty understood

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Speaker 4: that he was the Cowboys' best run stopping defensive end.

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Speaker 4: And he went up there and did both the only

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Speaker 4: run stopping right and so yeah, you know, and he

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Speaker 4: did he did a I saw the whole thing. It

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Speaker 4: was a ten at least a ten minute interview, and

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Speaker 4: at the end he said, well, I got a better

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Speaker 4: chance to go in the super Bowl here than.

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Speaker 2: With the Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: It was just kind of a flippant thing, and everybody

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Speaker 4: got all up in arms about you can't say that

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Speaker 4: he said it. Yeah, the way they hit, the way

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Speaker 4: they play defense. So I had a question about McDermott

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Speaker 4: getting fired. If they rule Brandon Cook's a catch, is

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Speaker 4: he fired?

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Speaker 2: It's crazy He's still playing.

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Speaker 4: So what did you guys think? Did the NFL just

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Speaker 4: gloss over that decision? They didn't even.

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Speaker 3: Say and he was McDermott was right in the post

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Speaker 3: game whether you believe it was a catch or not

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Speaker 3: a catch or whatever, how do you not stop the

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Speaker 3: game and sit there and review it.

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Speaker 6: I want to be honest with you. Ever since Daz's catch,

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Speaker 6: I have stopped being upset about what is a catch

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Speaker 6: and what is not catch in the NFL anymore. If

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Speaker 6: they rule it a catch, fine, If they don't, fine.

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Speaker 2: It's it's gotta be a criteria. Though.

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Speaker 6: We're gonna drive ourselves crazy trying to figure this out

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Speaker 6: because they didn't go back to review it. There was

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Speaker 6: no serious consideration of ever overturning it.

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Speaker 2: It is reviewable, it is.

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Speaker 3: It is being reviewed on a just as a in

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Speaker 3: real time. They're looking at it. And then they stopped the.

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Speaker 2: Game, and I think it was wanted to. Okay, maybe

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Speaker 2: we should.

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Speaker 4: Well, and he even called time out to give him

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Speaker 4: to give them more time, and they still didn't. Why

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Speaker 4: Why not were they in a hurry that they didn't

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Speaker 4: want the next game to start late?

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Speaker 6: There were so many that calls like that was one

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Speaker 6: that was one and that in that game specifically, there

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Speaker 6: were calls that were made that I at one point,

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Speaker 6: you're letting them play and then at another point you're

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Speaker 6: not letting them play. That that call to me was

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Speaker 6: so pivotal at that point in the game. I was

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Speaker 6: heartbroken for a Buffalo that they said that that was

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Speaker 6: an interception. But I'm a defensive side with the defense

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Speaker 6: any time. Anyway, I thought it was a pick. I

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Speaker 6: thought it was a pick.

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Speaker 5: And I only reason I say that is because the

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Speaker 5: dB got his hand in there as he was trying

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Speaker 5: to make the catch.

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Speaker 2: It. It's it stopped the receiver.

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Speaker 5: From being from from being able to say, okay, this

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Speaker 5: what I had it completing it? Okay, it stopped him

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Speaker 5: from completing it, thank you. Uh his hand being in there,

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Speaker 5: and he's the one that finished the.

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Speaker 2: Play because he never gave up on it.

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Speaker 5: It was all his His hand was always in there

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Speaker 5: preventing the catch.

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Speaker 4: But he had it with two hands and he was

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Speaker 4: on the ground when the thing reversed. But did that

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Speaker 4: ground cause it to No, he still had it, I thought.

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Speaker 4: But he had it with one hand. I have it

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Speaker 4: with two hands. So who's got it?

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Speaker 2: But is it long enough?

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Speaker 6: It was? It?

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Speaker 2: Was it long enough? You know?

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Speaker 5: That was just like an instant if you talk about momentum,

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Speaker 5: then as you followed through with it, you finished the play.

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Speaker 4: With the ball, But you can't finish it when he's

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Speaker 4: already on the ground.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but hitting the ground kind of caused him to

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Speaker 5: not really have the control that he wanted.

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Speaker 2: So let's put it this way.

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Speaker 3: Let's say that it wasn't an interception, but but the

666
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 3: defensive player he had his hand in there as you're saying,

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00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 3: and the ball got loose and it fell on the ground.

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Speaker 3: Is it still a catch for Cooks if it if.

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Speaker 2: It went incomplete, No, that's ink complete.

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Speaker 3: So that means it's intercepted then because it didn't hit

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Speaker 3: the ground.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I mean that's what.

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Speaker 4: They're I did not see a replay that confirmed it

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Speaker 4: either way either way. Yeah, but that's why they've got

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Speaker 4: in the command center more replays than we get.

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Speaker 2: Have we gotten the words from the command center or no.

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Speaker 4: They never went to it.

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Speaker 2: I mean have they had to pull reports from that full.

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Speaker 4: Recorder with the head referee and he's not going to

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Speaker 4: disagree with their their decision.

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Speaker 3: And Wald Anderson, who I don't know if he's still

682
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Speaker 3: the head of No, he's not, but he's.

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Speaker 2: Former ahead of they got to make a statement they did.

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Speaker 4: I mean they had a referee did the pool report,

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Speaker 4: but as.

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Speaker 3: He's in consultation with the review.

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Speaker 4: When you when when you go in for the pool report,

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Speaker 4: it's the most intimidating thing you've ever done.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I heard you were scared of the coaching man. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you made me mad.

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Speaker 5: Man that you can't beat up like that man going that,

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Speaker 5: which is what's concurrent.

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Speaker 6: And you do.

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Speaker 4: But you know what when you try to ask a

695
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,359
Speaker 4: follow up question, I've given my.

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Speaker 2: Enough smoking cigarettes and drinking. It's off stepping there like

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Speaker 2: a step into the park.

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Speaker 4: And I could have told you what he was. I

699
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Speaker 4: could have told you what he was going to say.

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Speaker 2: Right, you can get some week ruled.

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Speaker 4: We ruled it an interception and that's what we saw. Well,

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Speaker 4: what did you see? Because you were fifty yards away

703
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 4: from the play. He's taking the word of one official.

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Speaker 6: So the play of the weekend. Yes, we got to

705
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:07,399
Speaker 6: talk about the play of the weekend. Caleb Williams made

706
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,600
Speaker 6: the play of the weekend. Now, unfortunately they didn't win

707
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,280
Speaker 6: the game. But I guess I want to hook Caleb

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Speaker 6: Williams up to a polygraph machine and ask him one question.

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Speaker 6: Did you see the receiver before you threw that mall?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 6: No, because because we can't dog. I'm just it's like

712
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 6: it's like those hail Mary's. I mean, you've got the

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Speaker 6: hell Mary Plaza down here. I mean, did you see

714
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 6: him or did you just say Drew Drew's down there

715
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Speaker 6: somewhere right, Because when he turned and ran the other way,

716
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Speaker 6: I said, oh my no, I mean my life, it

717
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 6: flashed before my eyes. But to turn around and throw,

718
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 6: I mean, what a play by Caleb Williams. And it

719
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Speaker 6: wasn't like.

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Speaker 2: The ball went here, the ball went like that?

721
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Speaker 10: Yes?

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Speaker 6: What is mean?

723
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Speaker 2: It was?

724
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Speaker 4: It was fourth down?

725
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 6: Yes?

726
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

727
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 4: So he's thinking I just got to get rid of

728
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 4: got right, Let.

729
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:12,479
Speaker 2: Me throw it. I'm not either right if I even if.

730
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Speaker 4: I throwed, it's incomplete whatever, But it's their ball, So

731
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:17,440
Speaker 4: let me just heave it.

732
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Speaker 2: That's what he did.

733
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Speaker 4: That was more of the.

734
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Speaker 2: Tight end wasn't open when he threw it. Well, I mean,

735
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Speaker 2: he hadn't pushed off yet. I'm sure.

736
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Speaker 5: I'm sure he's looking at the fact that the tight

737
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Speaker 5: end is bigger than.

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Speaker 4: The guys figured where he should be.

739
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Speaker 2: Still, no, he don't have to pump ball.

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Speaker 5: He's throwing it for a jump ball. That was all

741
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 5: he was doing. And it wasn't even that dramatic.

742
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Speaker 4: Well, it was like throwing a hill marriage still throw.

743
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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's so many quarterbacks that can't throw the hell

744
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Speaker 3: marror that throw it out of it.

745
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Speaker 2: You compare it like that.

746
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Speaker 5: We had passed that that we had early in the

747
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,280
Speaker 5: season where he made that amazing throw in the stadium

748
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 5: down the end zone and I don't know how the

749
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 5: heck he made it, but Dak's ball went hell of

750
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Speaker 5: a play to me, the second best past all season.

751
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Speaker 2: That was the first best. But his ball went like this.

752
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Speaker 5: Yeah, at least at least.

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Speaker 4: When we birthed the hill, Mary Roger knew where he

754
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 4: was throwing the ball to Drew. That was a call, right, Yeah,

755
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 4: this was just I got to get rid of her.

756
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Speaker 3: And then but with with Caleb, you're going to get

757
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 3: the spectacular and then you're gonna get why was he

758
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Speaker 3: in a hurry?

759
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: He didn't need to hurry. They could have kept nippling

760
00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 4: diming their way out he did.

761
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Speaker 3: And the man with the route the man was running

762
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Speaker 3: DJ Moore was running was not what Caleb thought.

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Speaker 6: He was not. Yeah, and a lot is gonna come

764
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Speaker 6: out about that. I'm sure everybody's talking about. I thought

765
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Speaker 6: DJ quit on the route he did. Yeah, And and

766
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Speaker 6: the ball was there and that's what obviously you get

767
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Speaker 6: the interception. Caleb Williams had a magnicum look crazy season

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Speaker 6: for him, crazy season, you know, a guy that was

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Speaker 6: almost about to be put on the scrap heat. I

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Speaker 6: just think that's to me. This season really said a

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Speaker 6: lot about what his upside is. I've said that a

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Speaker 6: lot on the show. But just a guy like him

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Speaker 6: showing that. Man, if Ben Johnson comes in designs an

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Speaker 6: offense for him, it looks like it's dink and dunk

775
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 6: at certain points, but man, his ability to improvise, create

776
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 6: with his feet, I can't wait to see what he does.

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00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 5: Man, I'm waiting on consistency still because you're surrounded with

778
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 5: the hell of a running game.

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Speaker 2: You're surrounded with the hell of a defense, yes, sir,

780
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: and they.

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00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 5: Give him so many chances, which is what every quarterback

782
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,239
Speaker 5: wants to give me. Give me these chances to do

783
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,720
Speaker 5: what I gotta do, and he comes through in that regard.

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00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 5: But the consistency that leads up to that, I think

785
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 5: is still lacking.

786
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Speaker 2: At this point.

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Speaker 3: We saw why Caleb Williams was the number one overall

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Speaker 3: picking the draft, and when we come back here on

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Speaker 3: playing last night will not be the number one pick

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Speaker 3: we talked about Caleb Williams and his great pass the

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Speaker 3: other night, and I was just yelling at my TV

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Speaker 3: at the end of last night's National Championship, Gabe, you

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Speaker 3: can't on first down with fifty seconds left, Carson Beck

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Speaker 3: throw that ball where you threw that ball. You got

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Speaker 3: touchdown and win the National Championship if you this show.

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Speaker 3: He won't be the top pick in the draft, but

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Speaker 3: the other guy might be. Fernandoman.

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Speaker 5: Can I ask you, guys, there's a beef around the

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Speaker 5: country with Indiana.

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Speaker 2: Are they n I l going wild?

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Speaker 3: Mark Cuban.

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Speaker 5: I'm just asking not just like not just the money,

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Speaker 5: but the what are the age of these players?

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Speaker 3: That's the key and that's where that's the key.

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Speaker 2: Ye Are they like b why you going wild? No,

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Speaker 2: they're not. I mean they're you know, like like you

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Speaker 2: know they're going to mission, you know, like while you.

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Speaker 6: Go to Nobody's ever said that.

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Speaker 4: A lot of those guys transferred with him from James Madison.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't like they were picking off the cream of

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Speaker 4: the crop.

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Speaker 3: You know, he played in and he coached in the

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Speaker 3: National Championship game right here, right here, Crisco James North

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Speaker 3: Dakota State. You know who is quarterback was Ben Denuccio, who,

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Speaker 3: by the way, is now on the Broncs practice squad

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Speaker 3: benefits from the Boon Knicks injury.

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Speaker 6: Is there such a thing as being a genius by accident?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 6: Yes, and maybe Signetti. Maybe Signetti hit something that because look,

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Speaker 6: and I'm sure that other and we can all agree

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Speaker 6: that the college football is broken, but I'm sure that

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Speaker 6: other coaches are gonna subscribe to that same theory of

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Speaker 6: bringing in fifth year players to try and have that

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Speaker 6: lightning in the bottle that you believe that Indiana had uh. Look,

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Speaker 6: they were supposed to be the older team, that the

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Speaker 6: older team, but Miami to me, was still the more

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Speaker 6: physical team. And if Miami didn't shoot themselves, let's be real,

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00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 6: they shot themselves in the foot. With a ton of

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Speaker 6: the penalties that they had, they had opportunities to win

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Speaker 6: this game. But Indiana was the better coach team the

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Speaker 6: EXE and I wouldn't have to and I would give

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Speaker 6: them credit. I'll give them credit. I'll give them credit

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Speaker 6: for that. But I just feel like, you know, Sick

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Speaker 6: Netty for everything that he did. These guys went undefeated

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Speaker 6: in the Big Ten, and they play.

885
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: Like grown men. Crazy.

886
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 5: They played like grown men the way they played their game. Okay,

887
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 5: we'll older than you, what's stronger than you? With more,

888
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 5: more developed, smarter.

889
00:47:13,239 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: That's the way. That's the way the game the whole

890
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: season went. They're strategic.

891
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: They are strategic in what type of player that they

892
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: are recruiting and giving the NIL money. And Mark Cuban

893
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 3: talked about it before the game. It's it's you can't

894
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 3: just funding the nil and sending the money. You can't

895
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:34,480
Speaker 3: just buy the highest paid players whatever you have to.

896
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 3: You're putting a team together and you have certain roles

897
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 3: on the team, and there's certain personalities, certain character traits

898
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 3: that you have to have in that. Now he had

899
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:47,440
Speaker 3: a huge advantage in that there were last year, I

900
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: think nine or ten transfers from James Madison and Can

901
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 3: played at that level who had been in the system

902
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 3: for several years. Now, so there's your core both offense

903
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 3: and defense. He's got some wide receivers that oh yeah,

904
00:48:00,120 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 3: I mean they were strategic. There are certain positions you

905
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:06,200
Speaker 3: got to get the talent and those wide receivers he has,

906
00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 3: Those running backs he has are terrific. But offensive line

907
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 3: a lot of times, yeah, yeah, a lot of times

908
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 3: you don't have to get the expost talented line.

909
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,880
Speaker 2: It's really tough. Miami is d line. They're they're thirsty.

910
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: Would you trade up to get bane man? He and

911
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 4: the other guy he looked like a door.

912
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: The other guy impressive.

913
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 4: And I guarantee you Indiana didn't have to pay to

914
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 4: get Charlie Becker on their team.

915
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 5: He was maybe, yeah, yeah, he was already. So to me,

916
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 5: they remind me of Texas Tech almost