1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff You should Know, a production of I 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 1: Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: I'm Josh Clark, and there's Charles w. Spirit of Christmas Bryant, 4 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: Josh Kringle, and there's Jerry Crampus rolling over there. And 5 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: this is uh, this is stuff you should know. That's right, 6 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 1: the geez, we should know how many this is? Seven? No? Yes, 7 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: our Christmas Special Edition second try, Holiday Spectacular, Spectacular, Spooktacular. No, 8 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: that's Halloween all right? All right, yeah, I don't know 9 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 1: how many of this is, but we've been podcasting for 10 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 1: almost twelve years now. It'll be twelve this next year, right, yes, 11 00:00:56,760 --> 00:01:00,520 Speaker 1: like summer Rich, did we release a Christmas this episode 12 00:01:00,520 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: the first year? I don't know. I'll have to go 13 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: back and do our homework ourselves. I'm sure someone knows 14 00:01:06,280 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: this stuff, but as usual, not that we're tooting our 15 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: own horn, but we just want to remind everyone that 16 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: we release this ad free every year. So our Christmas 17 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: episode is without taint. That's pretty great. Uh, it's untainted too, well, 18 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: you know, it always just felt weird to slap an 19 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: at in the middle of the Christmas themed show. Who 20 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: advertises around Christmas. Yeah, exactly, so anyway, this is uh, 21 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: we're all pleased with that. We are pra Please just 22 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: punch Jerry's especially please look at her. So, Jerry, do 23 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: you know it's Christmas? Yeah? Jerry so grumpy, So Chuck, Yes, 24 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we should start this one off in 25 00:01:55,960 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: our usual tradition, um by a little bit of music 26 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: to play us into the next The first segment fantastic. 27 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: That's nice, it really is. Jerry is good at this 28 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: sets the mood. Um. I think that was true Siberian Orchestra. 29 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, wasn't We'll find out before we 30 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: get started with this episode, Chuck. We should we have 31 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: in the future concluded that here in the past we 32 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: should issue a c o A. I know who would 33 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,919 Speaker 1: have thought our Christmas episode might not be appropriate for kids, 34 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: but we're us. So this first story has to deal 35 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,560 Speaker 1: with magic mushrooms in Santa Claus and it's all legit. 36 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: But if you don't want your kids listen to that, 37 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 1: then don't listen to it. Okay, well, let's get on 38 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 1: with it. Let's do so. Um. I dug something up 39 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: years back, and we've talked about it before. At least 40 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: in passing. But the more I jumped into it, the 41 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 1: more I was like, this is nuts. I don't even 42 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 1: know which order we're going in. You see, I have 43 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 1: my papers all over, So I'm excited. I'm gonna I'm 44 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: along for the ride, just like the listener. I'm gonna 45 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:14,839 Speaker 1: direct to hear the first Yeah you're directing, Okay, I'm 46 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: I'm this is This is really a lot of pressure 47 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 1: all of a sudden places everyone that's what you gotta 48 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,560 Speaker 1: doesn't expect this. Let me put my shoulder or back 49 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: the one. Let me put my sweater over my shoulders 50 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 1: and get out your old school megaphone. Uh okay, Chuck, 51 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 1: please stand right there. Ry keep doing what you're doing, Chuck. 52 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,960 Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about Santa Claus as a possible psychedelic mushroom. Alright. 53 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: I was hoping we'd start with that one. Okay. So, 54 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 1: like I said, we've talked about this before. I don't 55 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: remember what episode. I know we have, Yeah, we have, 56 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: but never this in depth. No, And I also want 57 00:03:51,800 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: to point out that the uh i'm annita Muscaria is 58 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: that the full name this mushroom? The very famous red 59 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: and White Christmas see looking mushroom, the one that anytime 60 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: you think of a gnome that's like the toadstool they 61 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: live around. That's right. I saw some of these just 62 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: a few weeks ago in the woods. Wow. Yeah, and 63 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: you come down yet. Well, the person I was with said, 64 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: I think those are magic mushrooms. I said, no, those 65 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: only grow and cow poop. And they were nick, No, 66 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: I think those are two. There's different kinds. Yeah, and 67 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: uh we went back to little research and it turns 68 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 1: out they are. We did not touch them or pick them. 69 00:04:26,360 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: We left them to grow. Well. Yeah, they apparently they're 70 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: also very toxic. Sure, I imagine, um, but there's ways, 71 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,159 Speaker 1: there's things you can do to them to remove the toxicity, 72 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: especially if you live around rain deer. That's right. But 73 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: that plays a part in this story because this great 74 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 1: article you sent Santa Claus and the Santa Claus, the 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: Magic Mushroom and the Psychedelic Origins of Christmas by Melanie Zulu. 76 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: That's what I'm going with. X x U l U. 77 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: That's a great name. Uh. And what publication was this move? 78 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:04,239 Speaker 1: What a great rag. Yeah, So Melanie Zulu basically UM 79 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: did some research on this idea. UM that Santa Claus 80 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:15,279 Speaker 1: was inspired by those psychedelic mushrooms, the fly a Garrick mushroom. Yeah, 81 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: And I gotta say, when all of this stuff is 82 00:05:18,279 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: read together, there's a lot of pretty heavy coincidence. It 83 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:25,080 Speaker 1: really is. You know else, whenever you whenever you read 84 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: about something like this where something might have been based 85 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:31,320 Speaker 1: on their speculation or whatever, you're like, that's a couple 86 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: of those are kind of convincing from start to finish. 87 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 1: This is so absolutely convincing them, Like this is this 88 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: is the answer everybody. That's right. Magic mushrooms maybe so. Um. 89 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 1: On the very far end of the spectrum of the 90 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: speculation that Santa Claus is based on a psychedelic mushroom, 91 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: you'll find Jack Harror, who's a very famous pot activists, 92 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: um so so famous in fact, I believe he has 93 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: his own strain of pot, if not like brand like 94 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 1: Willie We'd basically or whatever Snoop Doggs brands are right. Um, 95 00:06:05,240 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 1: And Jack Harris said, not only was Santa Claus based 96 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: on a mushroom, Santa Claus was the mushroom. That's where 97 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 1: they got it from. It was like this is they 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: used to basically eat these mushrooms and call them Santa Claus. Okay, 99 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 1: most people, most people don't don't agree with that. Instead 100 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: they say, no, we think that there is something to 101 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: the idea that Santa Claus was inspired by the rituals 102 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: around this, this mushroom in particular, though. That's right. Uh. Notably, 103 00:06:32,120 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: there's a professor, professor named John Rush at Sierra College 104 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: in California, and it's pretty neat. There are like legit 105 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,880 Speaker 1: Christmas scholars out there that you can get expert, you know, 106 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 1: takes on and he's one of those guys. And he said, 107 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: his quota is up until a few hundred years ago. Uh, 108 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: these practicing shaman and we're talking about shaman in uh 109 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:03,000 Speaker 1: the lapland, yeah, in northern Finland, Northern Finland. He said, 110 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:06,599 Speaker 1: are these priests they connected to older traditions. They would 111 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: collect these mushrooms, dry them up and give them as 112 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: as gifts and the winter solstice, so the stage is set. 113 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: We know this for sure. They would collect these mushrooms 114 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: and they would give them out for people to eat 115 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: and get high. Right, But exactly what they were doing 116 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: when they did that really kind of drives the Santa 117 00:07:26,680 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: idea home a lot. Yeah, notably what they wore. Okay, well, 118 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: let's first start with that fly, a garrick mushroom. When 119 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: you saw it, you were out in the woods. I'll 120 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,000 Speaker 1: bet you they were growing at the foot of a 121 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:40,600 Speaker 1: fir tree. They were a pine tree, some sort of 122 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: evergreen right, correct. Okay, that's almost exclusively where they grow. 123 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm on the witness stand, right, would 124 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 1: you recall um? And then the other thing about it is, um, 125 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: they grow at least up in the northern climbs around 126 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: the winter solstice. So you've got the winter solstice, which 127 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: happens to inside pretty nicely with Christmas, and you have 128 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: the emergence of these mushrooms around fur trees, evergreen trees 129 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: around that time. Right. Then you have the Siberian shaman 130 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:16,320 Speaker 1: or shaman's seems like it should be shaman plural even, 131 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 1: but it's not. Uh. They would dress up to look 132 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: like those mushrooms. So you think, all right, those red 133 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 1: and white mushrooms. Interesting. Um, So all of a sudden, 134 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: you've got a shaman with black boots, a red felt hat, 135 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: white fur red coat. Does that sound like anyone? Yeah, 136 00:08:34,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: it's pretty surprising. And if that were the long and 137 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: short of it, I'd be like, that's a bit of 138 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: a stretch, but let's continue, shall we. Yes, Okay, those 139 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 1: same shaman they would give these flying garrick toadstools out 140 00:08:47,640 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: as gifts around Christmas. But they would because by the 141 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: time we winter Solstice rolled around, there would be snow everywhere. Um, 142 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: they couldn't get through the door of their friends and 143 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: loved ones, you're so they would enter through the smoke hole, 144 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 1: the chimney you might call it, to deliver these gifts, 145 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: like smoke hole better. Yeah, I'm gonna start calling my chimney. Actually, 146 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 1: I don't have a chimney anymore. No, you could, though, 147 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: if you wanted to have a chimney. Now we got 148 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: rid of our Chimney's punch a hole in the roof, 149 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: a smoke hole. Yeah. So they would climb down wearing 150 00:09:21,720 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: the red coat, the white fur, the black boots, climb 151 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: down a chimney and deliver uh, these magic mushrooms as gifts, 152 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: as gifts, and then they would hang them in front 153 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: of the fire the people who received the gifts. Yes, 154 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: they would hang them to dry in front of a fire, 155 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: sometimes in hanging them in a stocking, perhaps in front 156 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: of a fire. This is all true stuff. Yeah, this 157 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: is this really went on and it just up until 158 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: a couple of hundred years ago in Siberia among the 159 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: Sami people in northern Finland, and just as an aside 160 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: northern Finland, the Lapland happens to be where the geographical 161 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: location where Santa lives is. Yes, and we should add 162 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: one final little note to this. They would when they're 163 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: picking these mushrooms, they want to dry them out, so 164 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 1: they would put them on the tree boughs, these fur trees, 165 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: hang them to dry in the sun. So now they're 166 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: hanging I don't know, ornaments, yeah maybe yeah, on trees 167 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: that's right, under which presents tend to grow. These presents 168 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: that are these mushrooms that are given as presents. So 169 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: if you step back and take all this stuff and 170 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: put it together, you have based on this, these rituals 171 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:39,359 Speaker 1: among the shaman of the Sami and in Siberia um 172 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: the idea of harvesting mushrooms that grow under fir trees. 173 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,600 Speaker 1: Fur trees that people bring into their homes and put 174 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: gifts under and hang ornaments on in order to celebrate 175 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 1: Santa Claus coming down the chimney wearing Santa suit with 176 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: a bag of gifts, sometimes filling up stockings with those gifts. 177 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,680 Speaker 1: That's right. When you add all this stuff up, it's 178 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: really really convincing. Yeah, and then there's a little cherry 179 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:09,199 Speaker 1: on top, which is apparently reindeer really love to eat 180 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: these mushrooms. Yeah. Remember how I said that they're toxic, 181 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: but there's things you can do to detoxify them. Well, yeah, 182 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: you can drink the urine of a reindeer who has 183 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:21,400 Speaker 1: eaten this, and that is a way to detoxify it. 184 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: It is the reindeer metabolized the the toxic parts, but 185 00:11:25,280 --> 00:11:29,560 Speaker 1: they they don't metabolize all of the hallucinogenic parts, so 186 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 1: you can boil their urine and drink the urine and 187 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:41,000 Speaker 1: not be um uh sick. Yes, but still, twig, Should 188 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:42,400 Speaker 1: we have had a c o A at the top 189 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 1: of this Maybe, probably, so we'll have to go back 190 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:50,120 Speaker 1: and record it one. Okay, Well that's it for that one. Huh. Yeah. 191 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: So should we throw our bag of magic mushrooms in 192 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:57,199 Speaker 1: the sleigh? Yeah, and take off for the next house. 193 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 1: Quite a gift, okay, Chuck. So uh, behind the scenes, 194 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: I've done a little directing. That's right, and we have 195 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: determined I should say I've determined that we're going to 196 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,959 Speaker 1: do uh this one about It's a Wonderful Life a 197 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: movie I still have not seen? What for real? Yeah, 198 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: there's a lot of the old Christmas classics I haven't seen. 199 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: I haven't seen Santa Claus is coming to Town, Miracle 200 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: into Street. I haven't seen this. Wow, you haven't seen 201 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: the the stop motion Santa Claus Is coming to town. No, 202 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: I've seen that. What are you talking about? Man? And 203 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: I think I just made up a movie that doesn't exist. 204 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,199 Speaker 1: That's a song and it's a stop motion movie. Yeah. Yeah, 205 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: I've heard and seen both those things. You could have 206 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,559 Speaker 1: just stopped with, um, it's a wonderful life. Yeah, you 207 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: should see a Miracle on thirty four three. That's just wonderful. 208 00:12:57,760 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: I don't know. To me, there are three Christmas movies 209 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: and that's all I see. Oh, there's a lot more 210 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 1: than that. There's Elf, there's wait a minute, there's Christmas 211 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: Vacation and there's a Christmas story. Okay, you're putting Elf 212 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,760 Speaker 1: above Miracle on thirty four Street. Your brain is broke. 213 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: I am putting it light years ahead of it. And 214 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: I haven't even seen it. Everyone I know to see 215 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: it says It's a Wonderful Life is boring. No, no, 216 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: I haven't seen that, but it sounds boring. It's great. 217 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful movie, and it beats elf just terribly. 218 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: I will watch that just so I can come back 219 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: and argue, please do I'll wait. I would argue that 220 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: they're so different, like why compare them? Well, you can 221 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: compare them because Miracle on thirty four Stree is so better? 222 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: Do you laugh? Four times? Probably four and fifty? Oh 223 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 1: I didn't know it was a comedy. Well I'm just 224 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: lying right now. But you don't know that. Let's talk 225 00:13:56,000 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 1: about this Mental Floss writer J. Saraphine, great name who 226 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: put out and we still love Mental Flaws as much 227 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 1: as we always did. Yeah, it's one of our favorite 228 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: favorite publications. We even know the guys who founded it. 229 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: I know their colleagues, so we can do this right. 230 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: But you don't know if he wrote a great article 231 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: called how It's a Wonderful Life went from box office 232 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: to accidental Christmas tradition. Yeah, I should say this kicks 233 00:14:22,200 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: off what really? This is the Intellectual Property Um Law 234 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: edition of our Christmas episodes. Yeah, good point. It's a 235 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 1: weird thread. It just keeps popping up. So this movie 236 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: from directed by Frank Capra, tells the story of George Bailey. 237 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: I can't believe you haven't seen this movie. And it's 238 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: I've just heard it so boring. It's not no desire, 239 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: it's not It's a classic wonderful movie. Like it's not 240 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: one of those things where it's like, oh, you have 241 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: to see it's just like life changing movie. It's just 242 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: it's a good, sweet movie with great themes, well acted, 243 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: well directed. Everything about it is It's just a good movie. 244 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,359 Speaker 1: You should really see it. You have to see it. 245 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: I demand that you see it. I'll watch Elf again. 246 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 1: Do you not like Elf? Or is fine? It's a 247 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: good movie. I'll watch it just a couple of times 248 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: over the Christmas season. I got problems with Elf. But 249 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: don't not see It's a Wonderful Life because you like Elf? Okay, okay, okay, 250 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 1: So I'm not going to see it despite you. So 251 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: in when it was released, the critics and the audiences 252 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: didn't like it. Imagine that, uh, And it was a 253 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: big box office flop for Frank Capra's brand new production 254 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 1: company Liberty Films. Yeah, it was so. Um Capra was 255 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: a pretty famous director in the thirties and he went 256 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 1: off to um head up the propaganda film division for 257 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: the US government during World War Two, and then after 258 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 1: that he and some other director friends of his got 259 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: together and said, let's start our own production company, and 260 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: they did. They started Liberty Films, and the first project 261 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: from Liberty Films was It's a Wonderful Life, and it 262 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: was a mess. It was a mess. It actually as 263 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:11,520 Speaker 1: much as It's a just a holiday classic for every 264 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: single person on earth except for you. Um. It was 265 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: a huge dud, like you were saying, uh, early on 266 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: in its life, so much so that it actually it 267 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: wiped their company out because it turned out to be 268 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: a really big bet. It had a two million dollar 269 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 1: budget initially, which is something like twenty six million dollars today, 270 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: still pretty modest, but back then, if you were a 271 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: new fledgling production company, that was a big first feature, 272 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: and it actually ended up being like a three point 273 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 1: seven million dollar film. It went that far over. Yeah, 274 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: it almost doubled its budget because it had a what 275 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: the they referred to as a bloated shooting schedule. Uh. 276 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: They were rewriting the script over and over and over. 277 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: It was it sounded like just a nightmare production, which 278 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: is pretty funny when you think about it. Yeah, and 279 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,200 Speaker 1: they kept rewriting the script despite the fact that it 280 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: was based on a short story. It wasn't just an 281 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: original story. That might have been the problem. But maybe 282 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 1: sometimes a short story is difficult. Yeah, I can see that. 283 00:17:07,200 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 1: So regardless, this over budgeted. Uh, I think they turned 284 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 1: it in late. Even um movie was released, the public 285 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: didn't like it, the critics didn't like it. Uh, and 286 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:25,640 Speaker 1: it was basically headed for the dustbin of history if 287 00:17:25,680 --> 00:17:29,160 Speaker 1: not for the fact that in ninety four the movie 288 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: entered the public domain because the copyright holder forgot to 289 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: file for renewal. I saw forgot to. I also saw 290 00:17:37,960 --> 00:17:42,879 Speaker 1: that they just didn't bother. Okay, they imagine that that, 291 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 1: like they knew the copyright was it was coming up, 292 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 1: and they just said, forget it. It's this literally isn't 293 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: worth our time and effort. But yes, either way, In 294 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: nine entered the public domain, and it went from this 295 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: schlocky flop because that was one of the other things too, 296 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: this is an audience. In ninth, they thought that this 297 00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: was just too corny um, and they rejected it the wholesale. 298 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: But by the time the seventies came around, people were 299 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: a lot more jaded um, and they kind of wanted 300 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: that that corny home spun kind of nostalgia from the forties. 301 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: That wasn't George Bailey, you haven't even seen the movie, 302 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: and that was you know who Jimmy Stewart is. So um. 303 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: They they like every TV station that wanted it, got 304 00:18:35,240 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: its hands on its free for the free. They could 305 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: show this movie over and over and over again, and 306 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: they did the idea of running a Christmas movie marathon 307 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: the same movie, like they do with a Christmas Story today. 308 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,640 Speaker 1: That was apparently founded in the mid seventies by It's 309 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: a Wonderful Life entering the public domain, and that was 310 00:18:56,119 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 1: a tradition up until when the Supreme Court of the 311 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: United States ruled and Stuart v. Abend And that's Jimmy Stewart, 312 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,080 Speaker 1: by the way. But it's another movie, Rear Window, right, 313 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: which is a certified great movie and a classic, and 314 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 1: critics love that one and so did the public. That 315 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: was a movie, uh that established a precedent that allowed 316 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 1: republic pictures. Republic pictures who originally owned the film's copyright, 317 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: to regain ownership because they own the copyright on that 318 00:19:27,119 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: short story that you mentioned and the score of the movie. 319 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,639 Speaker 1: So there, like you on the score, you on that 320 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: short story, you basically on the movie. Yeah. Their argument 321 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: was you cannot show this movie without the story or 322 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 1: without the score, so like, that's this is our movie. 323 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: And and the Supreme Court or the the whatever court 324 00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: ruled on it said, yeah, you're right, that's right. So 325 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,880 Speaker 1: NBC stepped in and said, well, we've got a bunch 326 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: of cash here, we're flushed from friends making us a 327 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: trillion dollars. We're going to spend some of this on 328 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: the rights to U A Wonderful Life. And they locked 329 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: it down. And that's why you don't see twenty four 330 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:06,960 Speaker 1: hour marathon. So it's a wonderful life anymore. And that's 331 00:20:06,960 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: why you don't see it on f x X anymore. Right, 332 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,679 Speaker 1: But if you happen to be listening to this in 333 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: the United States on Christmas Eve, the day that this 334 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: comes out, it's on tonight on NBC, I will not 335 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 1: be watching Do Do Do Okay, Chuck. So we're going 336 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,880 Speaker 1: to spend the rest of the episode with me convincing 337 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,880 Speaker 1: you to watch It's a wonderful life. I can't. I'm 338 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,960 Speaker 1: so agitated right now, I can barely sit. It's my 339 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,640 Speaker 1: gift to you. Um, where do you want to go next? Mr? Director? Well, 340 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: let's keep the intellectual property law thread going, okay, And 341 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about a song, a little ditty and 342 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,880 Speaker 1: it is called Santa Claus Is Coming to Town. That's 343 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: it's a fake movie that you made up that you've 344 00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: never seen, that no one's ever seen. But it's also 345 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: that classic animated film Santa Claus Is Coming to Town. 346 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: I think it's ranking bass, isn't it. Yeah, And it's 347 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 1: also a song that goes a little something like this 348 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:22,359 Speaker 1: one handed to song redacted. That was good, Chuck, You 349 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: like that? Oh? That was better than Bruce Springsteen and 350 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: the Jackson Five put together. Because we can't afford to 351 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: pay for that. No, they say that it's one of 352 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:37,639 Speaker 1: the richest songs ever written because seven number seven, richest 353 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: song of all time written by a man. And I 354 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: got this original article in k y Man wrote Santa 355 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: Claus Is Coming to Town by Jeff Seuss. I think 356 00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 1: they mean northern Kentucky. Yeah, sure, for those of you 357 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: who live outside the n K Y region. Well, it's 358 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:56,879 Speaker 1: interesting when you see it. Do you think, is that 359 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,880 Speaker 1: say New York City. Nope, that does not Northern Kentucky. 360 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: That's what they wanted to think. A couple of years 361 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: ago from Cincinnata dot Com and Jeff Suice, and they 362 00:22:05,920 --> 00:22:11,680 Speaker 1: were championing one of their own lyricist. Haven Gillespie is 363 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: a Kentuckian and he actually worked for one day at 364 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,719 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Enchoirer, which is the paper that owns Cincinnati 365 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,199 Speaker 1: dot Com. That's right, so he was really one of 366 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: their own. He was born in born in February. Uh, 367 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,879 Speaker 1: worked as a type setter in Cincinnata and Chicago and 368 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: became a really famous lyricist. But this is kind of 369 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,160 Speaker 1: a neat little side note. Even though he got very 370 00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: famous as a songwriter, whenever he was in Cincinnati, apparently 371 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:43,560 Speaker 1: he would do some shifts at a newspaper print shop 372 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 1: just to keep up his union status. Healthcare pretty interesting. Yeah, so, um, 373 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: he wrote a few songs. Actually, he wrote one of 374 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:54,119 Speaker 1: what I think is one of the best songs ever written. 375 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: You go to My Head. Do you know that song? Uh? 376 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: I don't know. You'll have to listen to because like 377 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: this song redacted, but there's a Marlene Dietrich version of it. 378 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,399 Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's a great song as it is, but 379 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: Marlene Dietrich singing it just does something to it that's 380 00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: really something. I think it's Marlena, right or is this 381 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: her sister Marlene? Is it Marlena? I think so, didn't it? 382 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,640 Speaker 1: I don't care anyway? Um Ms Dietrich does a really 383 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: great rendition of it. Did I say her last name correctly? 384 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: I think it's Frau Dietrich yet so um. Haven Gillespie 385 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: wrote this song, and he had a couple of like songs, 386 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 1: and then he finally wrote a hit, and this is 387 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: in the Tim pan Alley era, right, Um. He finally 388 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,960 Speaker 1: wrote a hit called Breezing along with the Breeze, which 389 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: is the dumbest name anyone's ever given to a song. 390 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 1: But people liked it, and he moved to New York 391 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 1: and he really started writing for Tim pan Alley and Earnest. 392 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: But it wasn't until Santa claus Is coming to town 393 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: that he was on a easy street. That's right. A 394 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:56,640 Speaker 1: publisher at Leo Piss named Edgar Bittner came forward and said, 395 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: here's a composer, Mr J. Fred Coots, don't you get 396 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 1: together and right a children's Christmas song? Coots and Gillespie. 397 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: That's right and heat. This was I don't know whether 398 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: he took this as an insult or not, but he 399 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: said he wrote it as a favor for a friendly 400 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: publisher who said, I had a vocabulary children could understand. 401 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 1: Maybe that's a sweet sentiment, who knows. But he basically said, hey, 402 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: dumb dumb write a dumb dumb Christmas song. Do it? 403 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,000 Speaker 1: And he did it very quickly, something like fifteen minutes. 404 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,440 Speaker 1: He said, on the back of an envelope. Isn't it 405 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,199 Speaker 1: like of all classic songs, minutes on the back of 406 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:39,440 Speaker 1: an envelope? Yeah, that's fishy. Including the police is do 407 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 1: do do no Die Die die. Uh. Publishers thought the 408 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: song was corny. Um. The very first person to sing it, Uh, 409 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,719 Speaker 1: Eddie Cantor originally rejected it. But his wife was like, 410 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: come on, honey, is there any day that a wife 411 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 1: hasn't saved like she saved this song from obscurity because 412 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: any Cannery. He was huge at the time. Yeah, he 413 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: had a radio show and on Thanksgiving Day she said, 414 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: sing it for the love of God, and he did 415 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,239 Speaker 1: and it blew up. And if you listen to Tin 416 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: pan Alley, you know that what happens when a song 417 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,479 Speaker 1: blows up means sheet music is selling because it's not 418 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: recorded music yet. And I don't normally go use Wikipedia 419 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: for work. I'll use it in my personal life. But 420 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: I couldn't help but come across an article on this 421 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 1: They said that it's sold half a million UM sheet music. Yes, 422 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,160 Speaker 1: in a day. Wow, that's how big it blew up. Man, 423 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: that's incredible. It really is incredible. And by the way, 424 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: Wikipedia is hitting everybody up right now, and I contributed 425 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 1: twenty dollars. I'm just saying, yeah, yeah, because I think 426 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 1: it's good that it exists in the world and I 427 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: think we need it. So no, I love it. Read Wikipedia, 428 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: give him a few bucks. Yeah, we've never used it 429 00:25:55,400 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 1: as source material. Um. Half of our Internet review think 430 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: we do, right, But that's why we don't do. It's 431 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: because we want to prove them wrong every day of 432 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,720 Speaker 1: the week. That's right. But uh, this song skyrocketed. I 433 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,679 Speaker 1: guess would you say a half million? Yeah, that's what 434 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 1: Wikipedia said. That's pretty amazing. I can't believe I just 435 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:19,399 Speaker 1: said that, Um the first time it was recorded, and 436 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,320 Speaker 1: I said they didn't have recorded music. Of course they did. 437 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:28,560 Speaker 1: October twenty four four was when Harry Reusser's orchestra recorded it. Um. 438 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,479 Speaker 1: Gillespie died in nineteen seventy five, having written more than 439 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: a thousand songs and as a Songwriting Hall of Fame member. Uh. 440 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's one of the seven richest 441 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: songs ever, it really is. So Um. There's some really 442 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: interesting stuff about that that pertains to copyright law, because 443 00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: if it's one of the richest songs ever, if you 444 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,160 Speaker 1: own the rights to that song, you want to hang 445 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,960 Speaker 1: on to those rights big time. You know, you want 446 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 1: that birthday, happy birthday to you money? Right, So um, 447 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 1: which doesn't exist any longer, right, Um. But the the 448 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: airs of Coots, the guy who wrote the music, UM, 449 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:06,960 Speaker 1: they entered into a contract with E. M. I, which 450 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 1: is the huge giant music publisher UM back in nineteen 451 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,080 Speaker 1: fifty one, and then again in nineteen eighty one and 452 00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy six. Get this, I didn't know this 453 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: these I think this is the Supreme Court ruled that 454 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: if you had a publishing agreement with somebody after thirty 455 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 1: five years, you could say it's enough, it's done. I 456 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: want the rights back no matter what. As long as 457 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,879 Speaker 1: this this agreement was entered into after nineteen seventy eight, 458 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 1: So the Coots family again had in nineteen fifty one 459 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: agreement and in nineteen eighty one agreement. Well e m 460 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,640 Speaker 1: I said, no Coots tried to file a termination order 461 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:50,120 Speaker 1: on this um and for this nine one agreement. And 462 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,640 Speaker 1: even though this is the contract we have with them, 463 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 1: is the agreement we're really going to say it's the 464 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: nineteen agreement, So the family can't issue this termination. A 465 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: circuit court judge said, am I, you're wrong. Your agreement 466 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: with the Coots family, UH is based on this agreement 467 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 1: which came after which means it wasn't grandfather, which means 468 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: that thirty five years after one, the rights to Santa 469 00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 1: Claus Is coming to town reverted to the Coots family 470 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: for an extended UH copyright protection period going to that's right. 471 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 1: Isn't that fascinating? That is? And UH, if you wondered 472 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: why I wasn't talking much during that segment everyone, because 473 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: on the way in the room, I said, you know, 474 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: all that stuff I sent about dense copyright law. Who's 475 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: just so boring, let's not do it. But Josh is 476 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: directing this episode, so you got it in there? Yeah? 477 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 1: I love it. It was. I think it's really interesting, 478 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: especially considering this is like the family this guy's errors 479 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: got it back in two thousand and sixteen. They got 480 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: the rights back to one of the richest songs ever. 481 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: That's right, and they're rolling in it now. Yeah. Do 482 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: you know what they're called as a unit, the Little 483 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: It's that's that's the court ruled in favor of the 484 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: Little Coots. Isn't that the name of the Chucky Cheese 485 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: animatronic band? I think so, Chuck E Cheese and the 486 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: Little Coots. What was Showbiz Pizza's band name? M man, 487 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: did you ever see that documentary? No? Oh, dude, there's 488 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 1: a documentary on show biz about the animatronic band from 489 00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: show Biziness, the guy who invented it, the people who 490 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: collect them and keep them in their house. I'd like 491 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: to see that. It's one of the better ones ever. 492 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: I didn't go to show Biz a lot because there 493 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: was two near us. There was a Chuck E Cheese 494 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: and there was a local I don't know if it 495 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: was a chain called Sergeant Singers Pizza Circus. Did Sergeant 496 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 1: Singer work there? Because if so, that was local? Uh? Yeah, 497 00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: he asked me to call him Serge and then he 498 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: later appeared on six ft under Sergey. Nice nice ref 499 00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: But I want to see that documentary. All right? So 500 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 1: shall we load up the sleigh though? Are we done 501 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: talking about Santa claus is coming to town? I think 502 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:04,400 Speaker 1: so unless you have some more copy right long you 503 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,719 Speaker 1: want to go first, Let's leave the courtroom behind for 504 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: the rest of the episode. All right, we've got what 505 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 1: do we got? Two more segments here? We do? Well, 506 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: let's have a little music plays into the next mention? 507 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: All right, all right, chuck? And then there were two 508 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: giddy with anticipation. Are you about which one we're gonna do? Ohh, 509 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,240 Speaker 1: I haven't told you yet. Well, we're gonna go back 510 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 1: to our friends Mental Floss again. We're gonna go in 511 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: particular to uh an article for Mental Floss by a 512 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: guy named Tate Williams, and it's about Christmas tree flocking. Yes, 513 00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: And my only criticism here, Mr Tate Williams, because he 514 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,240 Speaker 1: did not title this what the flock is flocking? Yeah, 515 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:58,800 Speaker 1: you really missed an opportunity there, well, so staring you 516 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: in the face. With most pub occasions, usually it's the 517 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: editor that comes up with headlines. So Tape probably suggested 518 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: that the editor was like, no, I'm in a bad 519 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: mood today and and shot that down. So now it's 520 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: titled what exactly as Christmas Tree flocking, very straight ahead, right, 521 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,440 Speaker 1: that's right. But what is flocking? Well, flock well, flocking 522 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,080 Speaker 1: In particular, Chuck is adding texture, fiber texture, Well, what's 523 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: flocking something In this particular instance, flock is fake snow, right, 524 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: And there's a whole like there's a whole movement. Maybe 525 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the right word, but there's 526 00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: a subculture of people who like to make it look 527 00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: like it's snowed in very particular parts of their house, 528 00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: inside their house. Yeah. And the only I've never been 529 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 1: into this stuff because it just looks like a nightmare 530 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: to clean, and especially with animals, like my tree is 531 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:56,600 Speaker 1: already being destroyed on day one by my my terrible cats. 532 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: But uh, I worked in the movie industry, as you know, 533 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: and I worked in TV commercials as you know, and 534 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: so I know both of this. Every like September or October, 535 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 1: I would work on these you know those car commercials 536 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: where it's a very happy couple and there's a big 537 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: bow on a car. They're wearing sweaters. They're wearing sweaters 538 00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 1: and they're throwing snow. That's all on the back lot 539 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: in l A. And it's a ton of fake snow 540 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: and it's awful to work with that. Flocking is terrible. Okay, 541 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,280 Speaker 1: So if you're working with it under those circumstances, yes, 542 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: I could see it being terrible. But there are people 543 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: out there that are like, no, we don't get snow here. 544 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,720 Speaker 1: And I like the idea of it looking like there's 545 00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: snow on my tree, but it's hot outside. I live 546 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: in Arizona or New Mexico or um Nevada or um 547 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: you know the southern part or Texas where some parts 548 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 1: of it are very hot, although it snows in Texas 549 00:32:49,320 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: as well. Have you ever been where at Christmas time 550 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: somewhere where it's really hot, It's not it's weird. I 551 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: used to think it was weird. Now I've gotten used 552 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: to it. I like it, really, Yeah, l A was, 553 00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean part of what happens. And I don't know 554 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,920 Speaker 1: if this is true for wherever you were but um, 555 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,000 Speaker 1: in l A, people would really go over the top, 556 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 1: I think to combat the fact that it's just l A. 557 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 1: So you would get some really nice decorations and people 558 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: really went the extra mile. But uh, I just always 559 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: had a hard time getting in the Christmas spirit there. 560 00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,680 Speaker 1: I know what you mean, and that's what I thought too. 561 00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: But I've I've been in Florida for a couple of 562 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: Christmas is and yeah, it's actually kind of pleasant. Yeah yeah, 563 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: all right, yeah, because I've you seen the movie Bad Sand. 564 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,760 Speaker 1: It's set in Arizona, I think was it, I don't remember, 565 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: and it really kind of plays up that thing where 566 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 1: it's just like weird desert and Christmas juxtaposition. It's not 567 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,480 Speaker 1: a good fit. Yeah, but I find Florida Christmas time 568 00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: is very nice. Okay, fair enough, I know what you mean. 569 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: That is what I'm trying to say in the spirit 570 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: of the season. Well, people for a long time, they 571 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,000 Speaker 1: have been trying to get that look, um all the 572 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: way back to the eighteen hundreds, using things like cotton 573 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:03,720 Speaker 1: or flower. Apparently in the popular mechanics in that was 574 00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,600 Speaker 1: a recipe with cornstarch, uh, silicate mineral mica and varnish. 575 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to use like silica and varnish. I mean, 576 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,759 Speaker 1: all of this sounds like if you add one more thing, 577 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: it's a bomb, right, you know, but silica you can 578 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: inhale and get silicosis. Did you know that? Like people 579 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: who work with granite countertops are susceptible to It's really 580 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:29,319 Speaker 1: bad news. Yeah. And there's there's been long been kits 581 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:32,400 Speaker 1: that you can buy make your own. Yeah, there was 582 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,600 Speaker 1: one that General Mills put out called snow Flock s 583 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:39,399 Speaker 1: n O hyphen fl Okay. They're like, let's take out 584 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,279 Speaker 1: any sensibleness to this name, and that's what we'll call it. 585 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: There's an ad for it, it's so cute. There's like 586 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 1: a General Mills blog or there used to be, and 587 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 1: there's like a newspaper ad for the snow flock thing 588 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: where it was like a canister filled flock that you 589 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: would hook up to your vacuum cleaner and I guess 590 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: somehow reverse the polarity and use it to blow the flow. Yeah, 591 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:05,720 Speaker 1: you reverse the plarity on the flux capacitor. Well, very nice. 592 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: It uh. It seems like there's one big shot company 593 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: now called Peak Seasons in Riverside, California, at least they're 594 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: the only one that Mr Tate Williams recognizes. Yeah, I 595 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: mean they seem like they're the heavyweight player here. Uh. 596 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: And they make and sell a lot of this stuff. 597 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: And they start with um, something that they like into 598 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 1: toilet paper, just a big role that you feed into 599 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: a machine and it comes out the other side. They 600 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,439 Speaker 1: liken it to baby powder. Yeah, it's like a very 601 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: white powdery substance. Yeah. And some of them are um. 602 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: Some of the flock comes in uh, like colors. And 603 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,239 Speaker 1: if you have a colored flock like royal blue or 604 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: purple or gold or something that you have to add 605 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: cotton to like hold the die. But for the most 606 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,560 Speaker 1: part they produced this stuff um with some corn starts, 607 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,000 Speaker 1: I believe, the paper and then borre on um all 608 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: together makes this flock that they say all in bags. 609 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:03,760 Speaker 1: And they ship these bags out to like Christmas tree farms, 610 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,399 Speaker 1: where you can go to a Christmas tree farm and say, 611 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,719 Speaker 1: I want that tree, but I want it flocked. Make it, 612 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:12,359 Speaker 1: so take that tree and flock it. And what they're doing, right, 613 00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,200 Speaker 1: what they're doing is they're adding some peak seasons flock 614 00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: bag of flock to their flock gun and they shoot 615 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: it out. They shoot this mixture that Peak season sells them, 616 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 1: and at the end of this gun it mixes with 617 00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: a mist of water and it turns into this kind 618 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,600 Speaker 1: of slurry that sprays onto the tree and she's like 619 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,479 Speaker 1: stop stop, and um, that's when you know it's done. 620 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:38,440 Speaker 1: That's right. But here's the deal with this flocking process. Um, 621 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 1: it's got to look good or else you're kind of 622 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: screwed because you can't reflock. You can't spray it again. 623 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:47,960 Speaker 1: That tree can't get wet a second time because it 624 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: won't dry once it's been flocked. You can never go 625 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 1: buck right, nicely done, terrible And we are on fire 626 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,719 Speaker 1: in this episode with the dad Buns. Yeah, anything else 627 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 1: on fly. Yes. You can also not contribute to Big Flock. 628 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,880 Speaker 1: If you don't want to. You can make it yourself. Um. 629 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: There's a video by a person called Mama Flock, you 630 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,800 Speaker 1: know in the Flock Tones something Mama Yeah really, Mama 631 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,960 Speaker 1: from Scratch. I think they got into your head subconsciously. 632 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 1: Mama from Scratch had a recipe that consisted of barber salt, 633 00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,640 Speaker 1: corn starch, and white glue. Whip it into a froth 634 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: and then you painted on and apparently when it dries, 635 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:36,799 Speaker 1: it puffs up and you've got some nice flocking, so 636 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,120 Speaker 1: you can make it yourself at home too. Here's my 637 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,880 Speaker 1: Christmas tree tip for the year. Don't allow them to 638 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: stuff it into netting. Why because it's harder to get 639 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,839 Speaker 1: it back to Christmas tree shaped. Really Yeah, I mean 640 00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,440 Speaker 1: you want that tree for those bowels to fall, and 641 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,919 Speaker 1: that's a struggle anyway. When they wrap it up tight 642 00:37:56,960 --> 00:38:00,319 Speaker 1: and a net and strap it to your car, it's just, uh, 643 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: it's harder to unfurl. Maybe you need heavier ornaments. No, 644 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,759 Speaker 1: I don't need anything. I need to not have that net. See, 645 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: I have a pickup truck, so I just throw it 646 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,319 Speaker 1: in the back. No one's strapping anything to my car. Yeah, 647 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,040 Speaker 1: but doesn't it doesn't get wind burned on the way back? 648 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,800 Speaker 1: Where am I Alaska? Well? No, I mean at high speeds, 649 00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,279 Speaker 1: driving on a high speed really really fast. Now that 650 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: I get my trees locally, okay, right, yeah, thought in 651 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: the back of the truck, it's all great. What if 652 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: you don't have a truck, what do you recommend, Well, 653 00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,320 Speaker 1: you can strap it to the top, But I don't 654 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:35,640 Speaker 1: see the need for that netting. I don't I don't. 655 00:38:35,640 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 1: I don't know why they do that. I think it's 656 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,960 Speaker 1: to prevent windburn. I'm not kidding. Well, it's not a sock, 657 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,279 Speaker 1: it's you're still getting wind blown on it. Yeah, I 658 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 1: mean some, but I think it's so compressed that it's 659 00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what's the most part. Okay, all right, 660 00:38:50,000 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: all right, all right. Now that we settled that the 661 00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:11,160 Speaker 1: last I don't know if it was actually settled. Well, 662 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 1: I just want to finish so I can go watch. 663 00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 1: It's a wonderful life. I'm so happy. I'm gonna do 664 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 1: it today. It's the miracle of the season that just happened, 665 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 1: miracle on at Pond City Market. So um check. I 666 00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: think we should finish then on this sweet little thing 667 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,920 Speaker 1: that they do over in Finland, in particular in Turku, Finland, 668 00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 1: which is the oldest city in the whole country. It 669 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:37,400 Speaker 1: was founded in the twelfth century, the thirteenth century, and 670 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: since the hundreds, about a century after it was founded, 671 00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: they've been reading this Declaration of Christmas Peace every year, 672 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: almost every single year since, that's right, And it sounds 673 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,480 Speaker 1: like a really sweet thing, and it is with the 674 00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,359 Speaker 1: tinge of menace because what they do every year is 675 00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: the bells of the Turku Cathedral real toll in the 676 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:05,560 Speaker 1: midday on Christmas Eve, the chief of administration goes out 677 00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,320 Speaker 1: to a balcony. Uh there in the old square in town. 678 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of fanfare and reads this declaration and 679 00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: really brings out the people. Even in the worst of weather. 680 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,439 Speaker 1: They said there could be like ten thousand people out there, yeah, 681 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,040 Speaker 1: the square, tons of people. Uh. The exact wording over 682 00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: the years from the original declaration have been lost to time. 683 00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,960 Speaker 1: But the long and short of it is this is, hey, 684 00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 1: everyone be cool, everyone be harmonious, Everyone be peaceful and 685 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 1: love your neighbor or else, or else you're going to 686 00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: be punished. That's pretty much it. And not with coal 687 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,759 Speaker 1: with monetary fines. Yeah, and I would look this up. 688 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 1: So basically, the local administrator of like a town during 689 00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:52,760 Speaker 1: the medieval era um was beholden to the local representative 690 00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:57,239 Speaker 1: of the church to keep everything nice and orderly around Christmas, 691 00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 1: this holiest season for the church. And they were basically saying, 692 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,279 Speaker 1: if you make me look bad to the church, I'm 693 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,080 Speaker 1: going to really bring down the hammer on you. So 694 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 1: they've lost the wording, like you said, on some of 695 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,080 Speaker 1: the older versions, but they've been reading the same one 696 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: since nineteen o three and apparently back in the old days. Uh, 697 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,320 Speaker 1: and still the gist of it today is that any war, 698 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,399 Speaker 1: any violence, it ceases on Christmas. You got a bone 699 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: to pick with your neighbor. If you're a Hatfield or McCoy, 700 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 1: cut it out. Stop for Christmas season and Christmas season. 701 00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: By the way, this starts at noon on Christmas Eve. 702 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,720 Speaker 1: Did you say that, Yeah, I was at midday, Okay. Um, 703 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,320 Speaker 1: So from that point on until the end of Christmas, 704 00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 1: you're expected to just live peacefully at least avoid one 705 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: another if you're in a feud like you're that's part. 706 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: That's the first part. Well, yeah, the next part is 707 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,560 Speaker 1: you you can't work, which is that's great. You can 708 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: feed your cows and things. Yeah, why should the cows 709 00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,080 Speaker 1: suffer because you're hanging out on Christmas? Right, but don't work? 710 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: And uh, you can't even have guests apparently unless you 711 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,160 Speaker 1: have permission from the authorities. Right, and then that's great. 712 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,960 Speaker 1: Back in the day, if you were punished, if you 713 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,880 Speaker 1: were found in violation of this, you could be fined 714 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: so severely that it says that you could be in 715 00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,879 Speaker 1: debt for the rest of your life. So they took 716 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,720 Speaker 1: it very seriously, and it wasn't until the nineteen seventies 717 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: that they actually removed punishment from the law books in Finland. Amazing. 718 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:20,880 Speaker 1: So now seventies right, so now there's no real punishment 719 00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,640 Speaker 1: to this, but they still read this proclamation every year. Um, 720 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 1: there's other towns that do it, but but as far 721 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:32,240 Speaker 1: as anyone knows, Turkus is the oldest and the longest continuous, 722 00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,600 Speaker 1: one great tradition. I'd like to close this episode with this, 723 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,640 Speaker 1: if you're okay with that, So before we split, I 724 00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:43,520 Speaker 1: want to say Mary, Mary Christmas to everybody. Happy Holidays, um, 725 00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,440 Speaker 1: happy Hanukah. I hope it was a good one, um 726 00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,680 Speaker 1: happy everything. Yeah, however you choose to celebrate this year, 727 00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: or even if you don't at all, we h we 728 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: hope you're having a good time with your friends and family. 729 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,879 Speaker 1: And as we always say every year, this season could 730 00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:01,520 Speaker 1: be very tough for other people, and so just keep 731 00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,040 Speaker 1: that in mind and show some kindness, show some compassion 732 00:43:05,560 --> 00:43:07,480 Speaker 1: and reach out to someone if you think they may 733 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: be uh, they need that hand. Be kind everybody. That's great, 734 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: l You'll be fined, right, So everyone, to end this Uh, 735 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,080 Speaker 1: this Christmas spectacular, We're going to finish with the declaration 736 00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 1: of Christmas Peace. Tomorrow, God willing is the graceful celebration 737 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,080 Speaker 1: of the birth of our Lord and Savior, and thus 738 00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:40,200 Speaker 1: is declared a peaceful Christmas time to all by advising 739 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: devotion and to behave otherwise quietly and peacefully. Because he 740 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,960 Speaker 1: who breaks this peace and violates the peace of Christmas 741 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,960 Speaker 1: by any illegal or improper behavior, shall, under aggravating circumstances, 742 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,680 Speaker 1: be guilty and punished according to what the law and 743 00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:04,160 Speaker 1: statutes prescribe for each and every offense separately. Finally, a 744 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: joy's Christmas Feast is wish to all inhabitants of the city, 745 00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: and by city we mean world. Happy Holidays everyone. Stuff 746 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,000 Speaker 1: You Should Know is a production of iHeart Radio's How 747 00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: Stuff Works. 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