1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:02,760 Speaker 1: Hey guys, I'm Kaylie Shore and this is too much 2 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: to say it out you. Okay, I have some wonderful 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:22,880 Speaker 1: news on all fronts, um well more most importantly, my 4 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: EP is out. You can listen to it everywhere. The 5 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:29,479 Speaker 1: reviews are in and people like it. UM pretty exciting. 6 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: That's always really nice. It's really scared and released sick 7 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: into the world because like I've never really experienced like 8 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,479 Speaker 1: being critically panned and having everyone be like, this is 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: your flop era. So but everybody has that, so um, 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:43,560 Speaker 1: it just wasn't the I got here by accident era, 11 00:00:43,640 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: So stay tuned for more potential flops from my career. Um. 12 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,159 Speaker 1: It's second great news is my neighbor has not started 13 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: playing music tonight, so love that for me. Um, I've 14 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: got some wine. I'm going to do an episode on 15 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: something I'm really excited about and something that has been 16 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: important to me for a very long time. So I 17 00:01:06,480 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: am really into rock and roll and all kinds of 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: you know, pop punk, emo, whatever. Um. And I'd like 19 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: to clarify that I'm going to be using emo and 20 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,360 Speaker 1: pop punk interchangeably, even though I'm fully aware that they're not. 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,679 Speaker 1: They're very specific things. However, I don't want to have 22 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: to Um, I am not going to be politically correct 23 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: about rock genres. Okay, just calm down. We can fight 24 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: about it in the comments whatever, but just know that 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: they're going to be used interchangeably. So I had a 26 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: and actually aesthetically addressed a lot more scene which was 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:44,200 Speaker 1: bright colors and teased hair and like bows and colored 28 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: skinny jeans because like the Emo kids would wear like, 29 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: you know, the raw XD shirts, but they'd just been 30 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: black and ours would be like, you know, neon green 31 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: and all that stuff. Like I feel like the Devil 32 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: Wears product merch was always leaning a little bit more seen, 33 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: even though I don't even know if like a scene 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: band would be. I guess, I mean, you had literally 35 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 1: the scene aesthetic. But I'll try to say that three 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: times twice, three times twice. Oh my god, guys. Okay, anyways, 37 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: so I have a very special guest coming on the 38 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: show later. I'm going to have my boyfriend Sam Barga, 39 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: who was in a high school pop punk band, and 40 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: he has um a couple of really great stories that 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: this episode would just be garbage without. I can't have 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: him in the next room sitting on those stories while 43 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: I talk about this topic, so he will be on shortly. 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, let's dive into it. So I went to 45 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,959 Speaker 1: a private school where we were not really able to 46 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 1: express ourselves um as far as like dress and makeup 47 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: and whatnot, and like I got detention. I was really 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: good friends with this um My best friend's name was Katie, 49 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: and her and I would just get into trouble together 50 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: all the time. And I remember one time we got 51 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: into very big trouble because we wore red eyeliner for 52 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: some reason. We like we really went full full golf 53 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,560 Speaker 1: that a and our teacher was like, you look like 54 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: you're worshiping Satan and blah blah blah, and I was 55 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 1: just like it, Actually, it wasn't even red eyeliner was 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: definitely lip liner. We were using his eyeliner. And I 57 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: think it's because we saw some like girl on my 58 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: space whose name is probably like you know, um Mary 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: maccabre or something like that, Like that was a big 60 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: big thing on my space. But we probably saw this 61 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: girl with like pink eyeliner and we're like, oh funk, yeah, 62 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: let's do that with red lipliner because that's all we have. 63 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:29,359 Speaker 1: And it just did not look good, but we got 64 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: straight up to Tenson for it, and there wasn't even 65 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: anything in like the school handbook about not doing it, 66 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: but it was just because it seemed like satanic behavior. 67 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: So okay, guys, calm down. So any types of self 68 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: expression was thwarted, except for like hairstyles, Like we did 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:48,120 Speaker 1: seeing hairstyles a lot, and we'd wear like Converse. I 70 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: remember like begging my mom for knee high Converse and 71 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: I didn't get them, and my dad ended up um 72 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: going to Thailand and getting me a pair of knockoff 73 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 1: ones from a time market that were actually really fucking cool, 74 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 1: and like Asian culture was really really incorporated into emo stuff, 75 00:04:05,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: and like I was into anime, and so the fact 76 00:04:06,800 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: that I got mine in Thailand made me even cooler 77 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: than having the Converse. And they're like bright green, and 78 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: I fucking love those things and I wish I still 79 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: have them because I wear the same shoes eyes, and 80 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: I just think that they'd be hilarious to about. But 81 00:04:19,160 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: so I would wear that with like my school uniform, 82 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: which was like a navy polo and a khaki skirt 83 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: and like tights, and then just like these knee high 84 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: green Converse, and I just thought I looked great. I 85 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 1: thought it looked great. And then we did, like every 86 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 1: once in a while have a like casual Friday. I 87 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: also got to do this really weird cool thing with 88 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: my school, and I don't I realized later that this 89 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: is definitely like a private school and regional thing. But 90 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: we would have like ski days where like the whole school, 91 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 1: we would not we would not go to school. It 92 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: would be like a Thursday. Oh. We also only had 93 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: four days school weeks, so I only went to school 94 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: Monday or Thursday, which I was to forget that that's 95 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: really weird. So I went to school four days a week. 96 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 1: Somehow they that's legal. I don't know. But so like 97 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,320 Speaker 1: on Thursdays, which our Fridays, we would um like probably 98 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: twice a month in the winter like go skiing, and 99 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 1: the school would pay for it and we just get 100 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: to go do that. So like I got really good 101 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: at skiing, even though I probably couldn't have afforded to 102 00:05:17,880 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: go as often as I did. So I would like 103 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: to give the shitty private school one shout out for that, 104 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: because that was cool. But so I would get really 105 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: really into what I was going to wear to ski 106 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,119 Speaker 1: even though it's going to put a bunch of stuff 107 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: over it. But like I couldn't wear my Devil Wars 108 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: proud a shirt. I couldn't wear like my Sick Puppy shirt. 109 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: I couldn't wear a lot of stuff like that because 110 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: it would have gotten me in trouble, lots of you know. 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: I mean, the double Worst product has nothing to do 112 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: with the Devil. But they don't know that. I mean, 113 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: they thought my red eyeliner was a morning sign that 114 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: I was worshiping lu Super. So I was trying so 115 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: hard to express myself. And then I remember like getting 116 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: dressed up to post pictures on my Space and then 117 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,240 Speaker 1: like not even wearing the clothes out of the house 118 00:05:59,240 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: because I was too scared. Um. And we would go 119 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: to these shows, like in high school. My best friend's 120 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,200 Speaker 1: name is Carly, and her and I got really really 121 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 1: into that stuff and we went would go see these 122 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 1: like local bands play. There's just one band in my 123 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: hometown called Sparks the Rescue and they are amazing. I'm 124 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: still friends with him now. They're doing a big reunion 125 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,159 Speaker 1: show in Portland's if you live in that area. They're 126 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 1: doing that in November. It's gonna be amazing. If I'm home, 127 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to be their front row because I love 128 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: those guys. And actually one of the people who plays 129 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 1: in or played in the band and now plays for 130 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 1: Panic at the disco, so they're they're really great and 131 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: I would go see them play these like random places 132 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: like we wouldn't saw them play a Grange hall, which 133 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: is also regional, but that's sort of like a like 134 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: a VFW or like an American Legion sort of situation. 135 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: Like there was like ballroom dancing until six pm for 136 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: the elderly and then it's like eight pm. These just delinquents, 137 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: myself included, would just take over this like room that 138 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: looked like a church and it would just gept so ridiculous, 139 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 1: and I remember like they have like the Wall of 140 00:07:03,760 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: Death and people would legitimately get injured. I know I 141 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: definitely bled in a mosh pit at one point and um. 142 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: But there's an especially especially um exciting evening one time 143 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: because I met this boy named Alec not Alex Alec, 144 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 1: and I met him at the show and it was 145 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: like my first time doing anything that crazy. I was 146 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: probably like fifteen. I think I'd just gone through a 147 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: breakup and like we made out at the show and 148 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: I've never met him before. Such a skank, right, but 149 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 1: I felt empowered. I was like, oh my god, like 150 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: because boys still hadn't like I hadn't really gotten a 151 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: lot of attention from boys until eighth grade. Like that 152 00:07:40,360 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 1: was the first time a guy told me I was pretty, 153 00:07:41,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: and so I just like was like I got the 154 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:48,400 Speaker 1: pill and I was really really pumped. But um, there's 155 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: a song called Chelsea by this band called The Summerset 156 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: and I ripped that off just horribly and it just 157 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: didn't sing well. And it was like, Alec Alec, won't 158 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 1: you stay here a little long? Alec Alec, I can 159 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,760 Speaker 1: feel the hawk getting stronger, Like, bitch, you made out 160 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,440 Speaker 1: with him one time, and I think we made it, 161 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: maybe talked on Facebook. And then the funniest part is 162 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: like after I moved to Nashville, I got like a 163 00:08:14,960 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: Facebook message from him, like probably six years after this happened, 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: five years, and he was just like, hey, do you 165 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:24,559 Speaker 1: want to cook up? And I was like, I haven't 166 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: talked to you since seven years ago, and it was 167 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: once like what a bold move. Also, he had no 168 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,679 Speaker 1: idea I even like moved out of the state like 169 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,719 Speaker 1: years prior to that. So anyways, maybe don't make out 170 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: with boys at um in the middle of a mosh pit, 171 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 1: or maybe do because you'll talk about it on your 172 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: podcast one day. But the song was just so embarrassing, 173 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: and I like totally ripped off the summerset um. But 174 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: those shows were so fun, And there was one in 175 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 1: particular that I saw this band UM play called the 176 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: Sophomore Beat, and there was a guy named Jesse Divine. 177 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: He was playing with them, And you don't forget a 178 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: name like Jesse Divine because it's just like he just 179 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: sounds famous already. And I remember my friend had a 180 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,959 Speaker 1: really big crush on him, and I just distinctly remember 181 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: meeting him, and then I knew he lived in Nashville 182 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: for like a couple of years, like I had just 183 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: seen him around or whatnot. But um, flash forward, he 184 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: ended up um subbing in for someone in my band 185 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: like super last minute for a show a couple of 186 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: months back, and I was like, hey, by the way, 187 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: like totally like mosh pitted to your your music back 188 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: in the day, like, and he was like, no fucking way, 189 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 1: And now he's my guitar player. So that's really really 190 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: fun and what a lovely full circle moment. Also, I 191 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: feel like he totally gets my energy because he is 192 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: my energy. Um yeah, So lots of great times at 193 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: those shows. And then, um my first, this isn't really emo, 194 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: it's just rock. But one of my favorite bands was 195 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:49,199 Speaker 1: called Sick Puppies, and I really feel like they influenced 196 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: my songwriting a lot. But that was my first, um 197 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,680 Speaker 1: it was my first mosh pit, and I went to 198 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 1: this venue in my hometown. It was called The Station 199 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: and it was in the basement of a strip mall 200 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:05,480 Speaker 1: and it literally used to be a rail railroad station 201 00:10:06,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: and like a like a subway. It was underground. It 202 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: was really sketchy, like I can't believe it was an 203 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,960 Speaker 1: all ages show. That makes no sense because it was like, 204 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: I mean the kind of place you have to like 205 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: you have step over like hypodermic needles probably like really, 206 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: but you know, it was super rock and roll and 207 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: like all these crazy bands played there and it was 208 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: just like just a full on fucking rock club. But 209 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: so I went. I was thirteen and I went with 210 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: um my two best friends, When was the Guy? When 211 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: was a girl? And I was so pumped to be there. 212 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: I remember I was wearing ballet flats, which is interesting 213 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: because you think I dressed edgy for something like that, 214 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 1: but I somehow decided to like dress up. But I 215 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 1: got pushed into the mosh pit and I had no 216 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: intention of going into it because this was like a 217 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: This wasn't like a teen scene band. This was very 218 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: much like an adult rock band. And it wasn't like 219 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 1: you know, at A It wasn't a grange hall. It 220 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:04,200 Speaker 1: was in like a scary scary then you and so 221 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: I get pushed in. I lose my friends. I can't 222 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: find them. It's so tightly packed, and then all of 223 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm in the middle of the mosh pit 224 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: just getting thrown around. And to be fair, I was 225 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: so short. I don't feel like these people could even 226 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 1: see that. They were like elbowing me and stuff. But 227 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: at one point, this like big guy comes up to me, 228 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: like so tall, and he like yelled and he's just 229 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: like ah, and I was like, what the fuck? And 230 00:11:25,400 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: then he grabs my arm and he bites it. He 231 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: like bit my arm and it didn't break the skin, 232 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: and if it had, I probably would have gone to 233 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 1: the doctor because like that's weird, and like I feel 234 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: like that's a good way to get a disease. But 235 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:40,959 Speaker 1: it was the craziest thing. And so as we're leaving 236 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: the show, we saw we we waited around to meet 237 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: the band, and when I told him that story, he 238 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: was like, man, that's just like so controlled, but I'm 239 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:50,520 Speaker 1: so sorry that happened to you. If i'd see it happen, 240 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: I would have punched it out in the face. And 241 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: I was just like, oh my god, you're talking to me. 242 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: This is so cool. But these bands influenced my songwriting 243 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: a lot, and I feel like you can hear that 244 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: even on my country project x UM. It's always come through. 245 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,440 Speaker 1: And that's something I think that pop punk and emoi 246 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: have in common with country is like very visual lyrics, 247 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: lots of um specificity, talking about locations like you know, 248 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: um Ohio or like you know there's like I'll never 249 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: go back to Georgia, not at least I have to 250 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: um Jamie all over made a parade, like just lots 251 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: of lots of locations, and that's a big thing in 252 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: country as well. UM. But I don't think they're that 253 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: far apart, and the probably the best person you could 254 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 1: ask is Cassidy Pope because she came up in a 255 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: pop punk band named Hey Monday and now she's like 256 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,959 Speaker 1: a certified country star and has a number one on Country. 257 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,719 Speaker 1: She's the only artist, um, the only country artist to 258 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: ever play Warped Tour, which is pretty cool because she 259 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: played warp Tour after she transitioned to country, so it's 260 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: like pretty dope. And Um, I used to love her 261 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 1: band so much. I mean I still do, but when 262 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: they were together, like I just was obsessed with them. 263 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: And so when I met at her in Nashville and 264 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:03,200 Speaker 1: became friends with her, I was just like, this is 265 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 1: so cool and she's exactly as awesome as I always 266 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: hope she would be. UM. But then I got to 267 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: see the Hey Monday rod do a reunion show and 268 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: I like almost cried. It was like amazing, and I 269 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: got to be there like as her friend, and I 270 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 1: was just like, eighth grade Kaylee is freaking the funk 271 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: out right now. So that's my experience on the email 272 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 1: scene as a young kid. UM. But I wanted to 273 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 1: bring on my boyfriend Sam Barga because he has a 274 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 1: couple of really really good ones, So we're going to 275 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: have him on in just a second. Okay, everybody, welcome 276 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: to my podcast. For the very first time, Sam Barga 277 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:53,240 Speaker 1: so uncomfortable. Um My lawyer told me that for legal reasons, 278 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: I have to say that I'm not being paid for 279 00:13:55,520 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 1: this and that the working conditions of this podcast are 280 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:03,320 Speaker 1: unacceptable and I will not be signing the NDA that 281 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: you asked me to sign. Before I started this, I 282 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: thought I could take a step of wine while he 283 00:14:08,200 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: talks about I should know better and some of your 284 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: acquaintance spill that all over myself. I'm dead serious, I'm 285 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: not signing it. Oh my god. Sam's favorite joke is 286 00:14:16,160 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 1: to just lie about me, and he'll do it to 287 00:14:17,840 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: Uber drivers specifically. And like one time we were driving 288 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: back from the airport and the Uber driver was like, oh, like, 289 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: how was your trip? And Sam goes it was horrible. 290 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:31,560 Speaker 1: She was farting and snoring the whole time. And the 291 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: guy was just like, oh wow, the joke and it 292 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 1: was like Sam, and God, wasn't a lie. Oh my god, 293 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: this is the thing. Sam. You can't. You can't do 294 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: this on my podcast. Fair enough, Okay, thank you for 295 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: having me. That's what people normally start. That's Normally the 296 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: first thing people say when they come on a podcast 297 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: is thank you for having me here. It's a lie. 298 00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: So Sam is actually a field expert on being emo, 299 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: and I want to have him on because he has 300 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: some pretty funny stories. He was in a band called 301 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:14,120 Speaker 1: a Scarlett Smile and I actually own some of their 302 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: merch that he found and I wear that shirt so proudly, 303 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: and we actually have a we have a big poster 304 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 1: from a show they played. I just had a you know, 305 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: a producer from back in my high school literally reach 306 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: out and be like, hey, will you put Scarlett Smiles 307 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:35,120 Speaker 1: CD on Spotify's like it's not up there. I was like, yes, 308 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: I'll put all of my high school music back on Spotify. 309 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 1: Are you gonna do it? Yeah? Yeah, there's some They 310 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: have some really good um bops. I think probably between 311 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: you and me. Oh that's an emo cringeworthy story and 312 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: of itself. Yeah, I like. I like um Emma, dear 313 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: dear Emma. Is that what it is? Dear emma? M 314 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: m M A a acronym for all of our ex 315 00:15:56,720 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 1: girlfriends at the time. Classic pretty um pretty clever. You 316 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: guys must have been so proud of yourselves when you 317 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: came up with that. Yeah. I didn't get at this 318 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: stuff even back then. Uh yeah. So so this is 319 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 1: about like cringeworthy email moments. Well, I mean they all 320 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, you know, I know some of them 321 00:16:17,480 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: were just great. But so I opened up for say 322 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 1: Os and embraces. Um, those of you who can find 323 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,760 Speaker 1: my actual Facebook, because it's not it's my like full 324 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: Christian name. Uh, those those pictures may still be found. Um, 325 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm in a choker choker too. But 326 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: the funny thing is is, uh, we were the third, 327 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 1: third or fourth band on that bill, and there was 328 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: another opener for say Os and that night, who was 329 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: this brand new band called Sleeping with Sirens? And I 330 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,760 Speaker 1: got their name wrong. I was like the next time 331 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 1: we got sorry and Sleepers or something like that. I'm 332 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: making eye contact with Kellen Quinn and from the stage 333 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:04,120 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, ah, you ruined it. Oh my god. 334 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: And so I think I bought them, uh pizza afterwards, 335 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: like I'm sorry, I funked up your band name. Let's 336 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: go to Spinelli's And I got on this pizza and uh, 337 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: weirdest staying in the world. They're two guitar players at 338 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: the time had developed a secret language together. I mean 339 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: it was wild. It was like watching two like grade 340 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: schoolers just like talk like should we talk about like 341 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: back and forth? They pretend like they understand each other. 342 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 1: We're like, what the is going on here? So it 343 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: happens when you live in a van that is literally insane. 344 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: You know, graduate high school? Yeah yeah, I mean I 345 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:45,239 Speaker 1: barely graduated high school. So yeah, it's no one has 346 00:17:45,240 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: ever asked to see my high school to ploma, but 347 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 1: I do have it. I'm proud of that. Um. Okay, 348 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: So you have one particularly epic story that when you've 349 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 1: told me the first time, I loved it. UM about 350 00:17:56,359 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: a house party show that you had. This was actually 351 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 1: really cool, so um one of the coolest things. And 352 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: actually just got done reading this book called um Oh Shout, 353 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: I'm Gona mess us up. Sounds from the Basement or 354 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: no Noise from the Basement that's the all time lost song. Uh, 355 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: but it's that, that's what. But it was this. It 356 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: was this book, uh, written about the emo scene, and 357 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: one of the things that really touched on was how 358 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: supportive and the communities of emo music were. Because there 359 00:18:26,840 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: wasn't a lot of places that would know we couldn't 360 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,919 Speaker 1: play in bars, so um, we would trade shows. Like 361 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: if we would book a band out of state, they 362 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,720 Speaker 1: would come in and play, and then they would book 363 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: us and we would go out of state and play. 364 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: And then if there wasn't anything that we could uh 365 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: you know, where we could play that weekend or that 366 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: week um, we would just have to make our own. 367 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: And so if we couldn't get like a youth haul 368 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: or you know, a youth center or I think they 369 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:55,879 Speaker 1: call him like a v VFWS up north. That's what 370 00:18:55,920 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: I was talking about. Yeah, and and um, not to 371 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: mention church basements, I played a lot our church phasements. 372 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of them. Yeah, why did they let 373 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 1: us play there? I don't know, it's it's I mean, 374 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: it was not god fearing music, not in the least 375 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: unless you're talking about god fearing at music. Because but 376 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 1: then the other option was house shows. So we always 377 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: practiced at my house. And I forgot to tell the 378 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:23,000 Speaker 1: band that my parents were going out of town, and 379 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:24,479 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, they're going to be out 380 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 1: this weekend. Well just kind of had like this look 381 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:30,360 Speaker 1: around the room and they're just like, oh, fuck yeah. 382 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,320 Speaker 1: Because they're gonna be gone like for three or four days. 383 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: And so not only did we throw a house show, 384 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: but we got two other bands to play, and oh yeah, 385 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,040 Speaker 1: it was fantastic. And we cleared out all of the 386 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: furniture of this really really big room we had and 387 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: we set up the band and next thing we know, 388 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: there's easy like a hundred and fifty three people at 389 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: my that's a very big margin, but let's just call 390 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: it a hundred people at my house. I believe that. Yeah, 391 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: rehearsal dinner at your house. You could fit that many 392 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: people for sure. Yes. And there was just cars lined 393 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: up all around the neighborhood. It was super obvious, and 394 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: I started getting really nervous. I'm like, some ship's gonna 395 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: go down. I have to get these people out of 396 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: my house. And so I got my little sister Tess, 397 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: who is there because we were going to end with 398 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: Dear Maria and all the all time low song. We're 399 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: covering that for our like encore finale, and I was like, hey, 400 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: as soon as you hear this song like finished, I 401 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: need you to come running down the stairs and say 402 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: like mom and Dad are on the way home or 403 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: something like that, and like to a t she's a thespian, 404 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: played her a little perfectly. And at the end of 405 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,399 Speaker 1: this awesome night, like three bands, like a hundred hundred 406 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: people in the house comes in. Was like, Sam, mom 407 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: and dad are on the way home right now, and 408 00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: I got everybody out of my house in like fifteen minutes. 409 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,879 Speaker 1: And this is the best part. The band was so 410 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,439 Speaker 1: so lazy and literally like I would end up carrying 411 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: like half the equipment by myself for like three to 412 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: four years just to get to places on time. And 413 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 1: this was the only moment because I didn't tell the band, 414 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,520 Speaker 1: I was the only person who me and tests with 415 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: only people who knew him that I was a liar. 416 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: And uh, I got the entire band to break down 417 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: the band equipment, put it back into the basement, and 418 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: we cleaned my entire house in like twenty five minutes 419 00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: and it looked perfect. That's amazing. Yea, So how how 420 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: long did you get away with that? When did your 421 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: parents find out? They never found out except because the 422 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: house kind of smelled like stuff when they listened to 423 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 1: this podcast. Yes, I think I told him like whenever 424 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: I was in college and you're you're all sitting at 425 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: the beach. I just like, by the way, like this 426 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: was the best thing I ever did, And my mom 427 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: was just like hell yeah, well done. At that point, 428 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: it's just impressive. Well, it did end up being very 429 00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 1: expensive because a lot of people were smoking in the 430 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: house and so it smelled really bad. So, um, one 431 00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: of the ways you can get rid of that is like, 432 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: you know, obviously spray a whole bunch of get like 433 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: the reason Ship, but then also blasting the A C. 434 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: So I put the A C on like sixty and 435 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 1: we broke the A C like a thousand dollars worth 436 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: of repairs. Like what happened to you? I have no idea. 437 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 1: That's so crazy. It's so crazy how that happens. Definitely 438 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: wasn't the power of rock and roll? Oh my god. 439 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: So actually you're a great person to talk to you 440 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: about this as well. But um, I've been thinking as 441 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: I've been on TikTok and read different places about the 442 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: way that, um, I've seen them called elder emos, and 443 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: I really hate that. I don't want to be called 444 00:22:34,520 --> 00:22:36,880 Speaker 1: an eldern emote. But the way that like you know, 445 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:40,199 Speaker 1: the people who were around back and like you know, 446 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: the the heyday of that. Who are watching this re 447 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:47,400 Speaker 1: emergence of you know, emo music, pop punk music. I've 448 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: been using them interchangeably in this episode and not dipping 449 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: into the specifics because I know they're not the same thing. 450 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: But um, people who were like, it's coming back because 451 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: people who were influenced by that and like grew up 452 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 1: listening to it are now having music careers. And I 453 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: think some people are being purist about it in the 454 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: same way that they are about country music. And it's 455 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: kind of what are your thoughts on that, like like 456 00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: Jaden and Nasa Berett and you know, um, Juice World 457 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: and all that. I have very strong thoughts on that. Yeah, 458 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 1: and it's well that's why I asked you, Sam, this 459 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: is called too much to say, so you just let 460 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: her let her go. Well, I and I disagreed on 461 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,400 Speaker 1: because this book I read talked about that a little 462 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: bit too. And um there there's a quote in the 463 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 1: book that said something to the extent of like, I 464 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: don't believe the what they're talking about, Like, I don't 465 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,239 Speaker 1: believe these artists. I don't believe that their sadness is 466 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,960 Speaker 1: essentially more than an aesthetic. And yeah, I think it's 467 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: I think that's part of the reason why this scene 468 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:45,160 Speaker 1: originally died out because this poser complex. Not necessarily because 469 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: the poser complex, but because all of a sudden you 470 00:23:48,320 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: have these people who are you know, creeping up into 471 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 1: their like well into their thirties, singing about you know, 472 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:57,920 Speaker 1: issues that they for a lot of the part grow 473 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: grew out of. And this music was so important for 474 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: you know, if so many kids to get through those times. 475 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: And this is one of the great points this book 476 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: made was how emo music really did completely change the 477 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: kind of culture around discussing mental health. Um, but I 478 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 1: think that this music, just like any punk music, belongs 479 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: to the young new generation. Like EMO was all about 480 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 1: those teenagers and these young adults grappling with these thoughts 481 00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: and like growing up and trying to figure out where 482 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 1: the hell they fit in the world. At some point, 483 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: as an adult, you figure that out. So the next 484 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: people who lead the charge of EMO should all be 485 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: a bunch of piste off, confused teenagers. That's exactly who 486 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: belongs to. So even if they're not knowing about undergrowth 487 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: or you know, um, sunny day real estate, who I 488 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: didn't even know that, Yeah, they have like so much more, 489 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 1: uh legitimacy to get out there and scream house sad 490 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 1: they are because they actually are right now. Yeah, well, 491 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: and I mean honestly, like some my producer, Butch Walker, 492 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: if you haven't heard me ramble about him on this podcast, 493 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:26,119 Speaker 1: he produced um lots of pop funcan emoi music from 494 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: He did Say Ohs, and he did Green Day, he 495 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: did Um, he did All Time Low, he did follow 496 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: up Boy Panic at the Disco, like any sort of 497 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,959 Speaker 1: yeah we are. I mean obviously that again, I know 498 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 1: that's all. All of that's not email and all that's 499 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: not Papa. Nobody come at me for the ship. But like, 500 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: just let me use a word on um. But he 501 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: loves Olivia Rodrigo and he loves this new stuff that's happening, 502 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: and I mean we incorporated a lot of it on 503 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: a my EP, and he's not being a purist or 504 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,679 Speaker 1: a gatekeeper about it. And if anybody is allowed to be, 505 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,159 Speaker 1: it should be Butch Walker, you know. But he loves 506 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,120 Speaker 1: Olivia Rodrigo just as much as we all do. And 507 00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: I yeah, I think that quote bothered me too, because 508 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: Sam read it out loud to me when he um 509 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,919 Speaker 1: was reading the book and it really just because the 510 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,400 Speaker 1: rest of the book like had a lot of really 511 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: cool incidule stuff and a lot of um interviews. I 512 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: don't want to discount this, but you write a book, 513 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: you hope people discuss it and you hope there's some 514 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: sort of descent um and my my um. The thing 515 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: I'm descending on is that quote, because it's like literally 516 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,640 Speaker 1: said like I just don't believe that they're that's sad 517 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 1: as they were when our It's like, no, you're just 518 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: not as sad, you know. And so it's like, of course, 519 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,159 Speaker 1: like all if you go back and you listen to 520 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: some of these songs, Like there's one song I used 521 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: to cry to in my car and the hook of 522 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: it is literally tonight I've fallen and I can't get up. 523 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,399 Speaker 1: That was the lyric. And I used to just like 524 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,600 Speaker 1: just cry to this song and just like just weep 525 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: out into the abyss and just like pray that this 526 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 1: boy would come back. And it was like a really 527 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,359 Speaker 1: dramatic thing. But going back and listening to those songs, 528 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, wow, that just doesn't feel If you go 529 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: back and you listen to teenagers singing about emotions, it's 530 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: gonna sound like teenagers singing about emotions. So of course, 531 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,439 Speaker 1: now that you're older and you're listening to this stuff, 532 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: it's going to be a little bit, you know, feel 533 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 1: a little bit um, you know, petulant. Oh absolutely, And 534 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: I think it's also like if you're looking for that, 535 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't really think it is. But you also have 536 00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: to hand it to gen Z for being so concise 537 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: and like so to the point, like, for instance, instead 538 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: of singing like so cut my wrist dead, black my 539 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: yas Barrett literally just I just heard this song that 540 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: was like I hope your life is miserable until you're dead. 541 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,159 Speaker 1: I'm like, that's the that's the hook, and I'm like 542 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,040 Speaker 1: that that's an emo song. That's a microcosm of an 543 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: emo song. And you didn't have to say anything about 544 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 1: like slashing your wrists like the first like verse, you 545 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like you don't have to 546 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: be overly poet. And that was also a very big 547 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: thing about the emo scene and this like the mental 548 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,600 Speaker 1: health aspect of it. And I really do think that 549 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: changed so much of how we discussed about it, how 550 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,960 Speaker 1: do we discuss it and feel about it. But prop 551 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 1: Senessa Beart for just like being completely like blunt over 552 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: the head. Oh, I love it. I think the difference 553 00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: of this new resurgence of UM, that's exactly what you're saying, 554 00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: the new resurgence of email and pop punk with these UM, 555 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: like with gen Z, is they're so literal and they're 556 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: so dry, and there's this really dry sense of humor 557 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: that gen Z has as a collective because of the 558 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: world they grew up in. But that quote just bothered 559 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: me because I'm like, I'm sorry, are you watching the 560 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 1: world that we're in? And what these like twenty year 561 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: olds and you know, fifteen year old, Like what that 562 00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 1: age group has to go through, Like a lot of 563 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: these kids they didn't even get to fucking have a 564 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: graduation because there's a global pandemic and everyone around them 565 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: is dying, you know, like kids, kids are more screwed 566 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: by this pandemic than nearly anybody. And like not to 567 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: mention just like the state of of politics and and 568 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, these kids having to be so like see 569 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: all these people dying on the news, and of course 570 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,680 Speaker 1: they're fucking sad. And then also like you know, if 571 00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: you're going to talk about UM black people incorporating emo, 572 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,280 Speaker 1: like that's I've heard a lot of people say things 573 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: about like Juice World and um, other people of color 574 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: who sing emoil music and acting like they're an authentic 575 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: and I'm like that that feels like it has some 576 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 1: racist undertones because and I'm like, you're going to tell 577 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: me that a black person doesn't have a right to 578 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: be fucking angry in this world, like and that their 579 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: sadness isn't real, Like no, yeah, these kids are literally 580 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,680 Speaker 1: born of the plague, literally, but yeah, so that's that's 581 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,760 Speaker 1: my soapbox about people who are trying to be purists 582 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 1: and gatekeepers about pop punk and like I hate the 583 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: whole like you're wearing a shirt and it's like three 584 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: bands sing songs and that just the like whole posing thing. 585 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: I know. Um, and yeah, it's it's it's sad because 586 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: if you're don't we all want pop punk to come 587 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 1: back so we can have that energy and like go 588 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: to those shows and like see all Time Low the 589 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: easiest guys to cheer forever. They're just do you just 590 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: want to support them. They're so great and I love them, Um, 591 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: but they're having like this incredible like renaissance of their 592 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: career where it's now bigger and better than ever. They 593 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: had their first number one on rock radio in and 594 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: they've been a band forever. Well, we're also going to 595 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: say renaissance. I think I would disagree slid with that, 596 00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: only because they just never stopped and they had this huge, 597 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: uh you know, extremely supportive fan base that stuck with 598 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: them throughout you know, the evan flows of you know, 599 00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 1: and but I mean, you're seeing so much of it 600 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,239 Speaker 1: come back. I mean, I don't remember a time when 601 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: I listened to the main more than I do right now. 602 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, their new stuff is great. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 603 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 1: I I yeah. I feel like renas is interesting and 604 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: maybe not accurate, but I think that what they've been 605 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: doing is they've been just pushing and having like this 606 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: cult following and consistently putting out good stuff, and like 607 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: it was like they were just doing the same thing 608 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 1: and they were never losing momentum, but they weren't ever 609 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: really gaining it after a certain point um. And now 610 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 1: there's all these new all time low fans who don't know, like, 611 00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: you know, they don't know wayless this could be. They 612 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: don't know that song at all, And that's actually kind 613 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: of fucking cool because it means they're still getting a 614 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: new generation. You know. Yeah, that's great. You don't know 615 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: their whole catalog. It gives you more time, you have 616 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 1: more to explore and more to discover as a fan. 617 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: This could be correlation and not causation, but you'd have 618 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: to check and see, like the most successful debut punk 619 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: records and if there's a corresponding catastrophe, because my Chemical 620 00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: Romance the flagship of the entire emo scene, the entire movement. 621 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: Gerard's Gerard Ways impetus for starting a band was nine eleven. Yeah, 622 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: he saw him like like literally like he saw it 623 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: with his eyes in New York City. Correct, Yes, and 624 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: then from New York, from New Jersey, you have the 625 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: incubator of the best and most successful emo music ever 626 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: put out. And that's just a fact um. And then 627 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like look at where we are 628 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,160 Speaker 1: after a global pandemic and a lost year. Yeah, so 629 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: that's like, you know, black lives matter and the election. 630 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,920 Speaker 1: I would I would think politics probably fueled um, which 631 00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,160 Speaker 1: being not being racist, shouldn't be fucking political. But took 632 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: get me started all that. That's another episode. Kids, back 633 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: up guitars not drugs, you know, I mean like kids, 634 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,040 Speaker 1: kids being at the dinner table and seeing their mom 635 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: who voted for Hillary Clinton and their dad who voted 636 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: for Trump Duke get out, and like having to be 637 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 1: so incredibly aware of this stuff that eleven year old 638 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 1: isn't thinking about yet, you know. I mean I know 639 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: so many families that that happened, and like that's I 640 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,959 Speaker 1: think that's the biggest product we've seen of like everyone 641 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: seemed directly from you know, this culture is like in 642 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: fighting in your families about politics and so like that's 643 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: going to create an angsty Yeah. Bush and Carry definitely 644 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 1: was not like this. No, no, not at all. Like 645 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: who Carry is? John Carrey? Now he's like he's jilling, 646 00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: Now he's what's your demographic? Does anybody here know who 647 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: John Carry is? Leva Leva luck Leiva comment if you 648 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: know who John Carrey is. But well, thank you guys 649 00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: so much for listening. I really hope you enjoyed this. 650 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 1: I had so much fun having Sam on. Um let 651 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 1: me know if you hated it or if you want 652 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: him to come back. Um, I will listen to and 653 00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: you can discuss my rights. Oh my god, we lived together. 654 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160 Speaker 1: We find groceries together. That's what that was today. Shut up, 655 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god. Anyways, you guys are the best. Thank 656 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: you so much. Um. I've made a playlist of some 657 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: of my favorite emo pop punk songs that is linked 658 00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: in the description. I hope you guys enjoy it. Sam 659 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 1: added a few of his favorites as well. And um, 660 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,600 Speaker 1: you guys can check out the link to my new 661 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: EP I got here by accident. All in the description, 662 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: and thank you guys so much. You are the best. 663 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 1: I'm Kaylie Shore and this is too much to say. 664 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: Let's don't ask me questions soon. I got too much. 665 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: Turn it out of you.