1 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Oh 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:09,200 Speaker 1: and ahead, he got jacked. This is the Big Red 3 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Rain presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. Mary's gonna score touchdown. 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: Slam to the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo. 5 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 1: He came flying into the backfield. The Rage is brought 6 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: to you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford 7 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: State Farm? Talk to an agent today at eight hundred 8 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: State Farm, And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts visit Hacy Cardinals 9 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: dot com, Slash Podcasts, The Reds Rising Guard, Temperaturizing vision, 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: flurring rage taking over. Here's Paul Calveci. I'm ready. I'm 11 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: one hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And 12 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: Ron Wolflee. It doesn't get any better than that. Unleash 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 1: the Far, the original Thursday Night Football. We don't need 14 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: no stinking bye week around here. I mean we're all 15 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 1: about talking ball. Fifty two weeks a year on the 16 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, and plenty to talk about what is, 17 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: what was, what will be, what should be. It is 18 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 1: a Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford in Gilbert. 19 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: We are Santanford, Paul calvci Ron Wolfley, soon to be 20 00:01:29,880 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 1: joined by Cardinals insider Darren Urban and a Cardinals team 21 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: coming off. Oh not the way they drew it up. 22 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: You always want to get the win going into the bye. 23 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: Not only did they not get the win, and that's 24 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: the last taste going into the bye week, but the 25 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: way they ended the game at the very end. As 26 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray said after the game, a twenty five twenty 27 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: four loss against the La Chargers, quote, there was really 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: no excuse for our last three drives. We got the players. 29 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: There really is no excuse for not finishing that game 30 00:01:57,880 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: on our own terms. Y. Yeah, you know what Polly honestly, 31 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: and I think Kyler said it very very well right there. 32 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: How disappointing this loss was. This was big time to me, 33 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: and the reason being is because of how well they 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: had played through three quarters. And I don't mean just 35 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 1: offensively or just defensively, I mean in all three phases. 36 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: That was the best game I think they've played as 37 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:31,520 Speaker 1: a team through three quarters. And then suddenly you had 38 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 1: the last four possessions of that game, the last four 39 00:02:35,080 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 1: possessions that happened in that fourth quarter, specifically, you ran 40 00:02:39,160 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: eleven plays in those four possessions for sixteen yards. Polly, 41 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: I mean you had you had a lead. It was 42 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: twenty four seventeen, and then all of a sudden you 43 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: had a three and out. You got the ball again, 44 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: it was twenty four seventeen, and you had a three 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: and out. Paul, you got it for a third time 46 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: twenty four seventeen and had a three and out. The defense, 47 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: I think wardown a little bit in that fourth quarter. 48 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: It's reality. It happens from time to time, and I 49 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:17,839 Speaker 1: think that's what happened to them. After playing very very 50 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 1: well for three quarters and only giving up seventeen points, 51 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: it took all of the fourth quarter before they finally 52 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: gave up more points to the Chargers. To me, that's 53 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: why this game was so disappointing. How well they played 54 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: for three quarters and beyond they ran for one hundred 55 00:03:38,760 --> 00:03:41,960 Speaker 1: eighty one yards. The Cardinals have been almost unbeatable in 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 1: that sort of scenario under Cliff Kingsbury. When they've had 57 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: that sort of balance on offense, the Cardinals have been 58 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: a juggernaut. That's what made this so confounding in so 59 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: many ways. And he had a justin Herbert, who started 60 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: three of eight but he ended up thirty five or 61 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: forty seven for two seventy four, three touchdowns, no interceptions. Remember, 62 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: Cardinals lost the turnover battle negative two in this game. 63 00:04:05,080 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: They had two takeaways, overturn but eventually ultimately Justin Herbert 64 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: at his tenth fourth quarter comeback in three seasons as 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: Chargers quarterback and the Cardinals quarterback Kyler Murray had this 66 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:20,760 Speaker 1: to say, I mean we practice that stuff. I mean, 67 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: there's there's really no excuse for our last three drives, 68 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: no excuse. You know, I think we got you know, 69 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 1: we got the players. There's there's no excuse for you know, 70 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: um not finishing that game on our terms, not having 71 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: to put the defense back out there. They did their job. 72 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: You know, they did their job. And you know we 73 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: don't get a first down, we don't run the clock. 74 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: That's tough. You put them back, you know, put them 75 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: back on the field like that. And then at the 76 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: very end, well you saw the two game winning plays. 77 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: You saw the one yard touchdown passed Austin Ekeler with 78 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds to go, followed by the two point conversion 79 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: to the tight end Gerald Everett, and as Brandon Staley 80 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 1: said after the game, the Charger's head coach about that 81 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: final two point conversion to win it quotes mood like 82 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: chocolate milk. So there's that as well. There's there's Look 83 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: the week before in Mexico City, we were there. The 84 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 1: Cardinals lost that game because the Niners won that game. Yes, 85 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: but this game against the Chargers twenty five, twenty four, 86 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 1: the Cardinals lost that game. If you watched it, they 87 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: were so dominant for so long, for such stretches of 88 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,479 Speaker 1: that game. I think that's why. Honestly, that was probably 89 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: the most downbeat locker room of the season been in 90 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: there because guys knew man that was there for the taking. Paula. 91 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: I believe that, man, because it was. It was so 92 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: disappointing to me as an analyst to watch it and 93 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:41,919 Speaker 1: a former player to see them actually lose that game 94 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,359 Speaker 1: when they played so well. I already said that, But 95 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I'll use Isaiah Simmons as a micro cosum. He was 96 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: the micro cosm of this game. Isaiah Simmons had eight tackles, 97 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: eight solo tackles in this game. Isaiah Simmons had a 98 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: huge sack for minus thirteen yards. Remember how big a 99 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 1: player that was that sack. We said ballgame right there, 100 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: you say, had that late, late sack Pauli and then 101 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:13,160 Speaker 1: a pass defense as well. He played incredibly well until 102 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,600 Speaker 1: the very end of the game, and you could even 103 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: bring it down to the two point conversion where that 104 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:24,039 Speaker 1: was his man, Everett, the tight end was his man. 105 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, you gotta credit the Chargers. 106 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: They did a great job of using eye Candy and 107 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: Austin Eckler, and it was exactly what they were hoping 108 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: for that you were going to get Isaiah Simmons eyes 109 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:43,280 Speaker 1: off of Everett for a split second and that's all 110 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: it took on the two point conversion touchdown. So even 111 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: though he played so well overall, the last play literally 112 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: that he was out there, he didn't do it. And 113 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: that Cardinals defense had four sacks. I mean, it was 114 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,600 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons, was JJ Watter, it was Zach Allen, it 115 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: was Cam Thomas. They made plays. They didn't have any takeaways, 116 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: but they definitely made plays. At Cardinals offensive line. The 117 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: eight difference starting old line combination, four backups and the 118 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:17,680 Speaker 1: stalwart Kelvin Beecham, the one constant you're starting right tackle 119 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: who joined us after the game. And you can hear 120 00:07:20,720 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: the resignation in his voice. At the end of the day, 121 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: it's not about to turnover about him, And we had 122 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 1: two turnovers, and you're not supposed to win if you 123 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: have two turnovers. But even in spite of that is, 124 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 1: as you know, stupid. As we played today, we set 125 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: out opportunity to close the game out and we didn't 126 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: do so. Stupid. You didn't like the football IQ, not 127 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: at all. How so, I mean, there's an opportunity again 128 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: to close the game out with drives in the fourth quarter, 129 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: and offenses that are of playoff caliber are able to 130 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: do so, and we didn't do that today. He didn't 131 00:07:50,120 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: get into specifics as you might imagine, but let's go 132 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: ahead and translate that sound bite right there. That that 133 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 1: answer the Q and A. I mean, he's he talking 134 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: football IQ in terms of just execution. Is he talking 135 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: about strategy, play calling? Is he talking about like, for example, 136 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:07,800 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins in Hollywood Brown getting combined one target in 137 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: the fourth quarter when Tray McBride got a couple? What 138 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: are you going to be all the above? Yes, I 139 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: think that's what it is. PA. I think the answer 140 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: is yes. I also think too, there were a couple 141 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: of high profile mm's mental errors that I think also 142 00:08:25,080 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: happened over the course of those last few possessions right there. 143 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 1: I think of the first down run to James Connor 144 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: that was stuffed to buy a Drew Tranquil. To remember Tranquil, 145 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: he blitzed a rundown blitz. Actually they brought him down 146 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: through the bee gap and he shot through the bee gap. 147 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:49,679 Speaker 1: And I believe that that was a deuce block they 148 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: had going on right there where they did not pick 149 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: it up. That is where two offensive linemen are going 150 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: to work from the defensive linemen up to the second 151 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: level where you had Drew Tranquil and he shot the gap. 152 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 1: And I think that it was a mental error. Somebody 153 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: did not come off when they should have come off. 154 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: And when you hear Calvin Beecham say stupid football mental errors, 155 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: I think at the end could be what he's talking 156 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: about as well. Yeah, he mentioned that the Chargers consistently 157 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:27,679 Speaker 1: pressured on second down. That was their strategy. They did adjust, 158 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: but there was a big sack of Kyler Murray late 159 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: on second down. Should the Cardinals have known that was coming, 160 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 1: should the ball have been out gentle or should have 161 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: someone had picked up the extra blitzer. The extra runner 162 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: should have, Pauli, whether it was an offensive lineman or 163 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: running back the responsibility to pick it up or Kyler 164 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: Murray the quarterback himself to know that's hot. If this 165 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 1: guy comes, I've got to throw the hot. So the 166 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: Cardinals loose. They've lost four out of five. And after 167 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: the game we asked the head coach, Cliff Kingsbury, and 168 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: his message to the team going into the bye We 169 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 1: just started about we got a bye week coming up. 170 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: We gotta arrests, recovery set, and got five games. We're 171 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: gonna see how good Win be as a team. Yeah, 172 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: they come out, they have an extra day. Actually, the 173 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: next game is going to be Monday night against the 174 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 1: Patriots in Week fourteen. They're off this weekend and they're 175 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: gonna self scout. Every team does that during the bye week. 176 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: I mean, are there are a couple of things that 177 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 1: stand out? Well? Do you think when they look at 178 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 1: the film and I know the music's rolling here, we 179 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: got Darren Urban next. But is it one or two 180 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:30,959 Speaker 1: things you think really stand out that can be addressed immediately? Yeah, Polly, 181 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,000 Speaker 1: I think, how do you get the ball to Deandrey 182 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Hopkins and Hollywood Brown a little bit more, especially in 183 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: clutch situations. They're gonna see a lot of two safeties 184 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: over these last five games. They're gonna see a lot 185 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: of two safeties high. That means you've got to be 186 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: able to run the ball to bring that safety down. 187 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 1: And when you get them to bring that safety down, 188 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: that's when you've got to exploit the secondary with Hollywood 189 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,360 Speaker 1: Brown and d how And the Cardinals definitely made the 190 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: Chargers pay, especially in that first half with the run game. 191 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: You saw James Conner get into the second level easily 192 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: with frequency. All Right, what else is on the Cardinals 193 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: plate as they prepared for the final five games of 194 00:11:10,760 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 1: the season. Cardinals insider Darren Rban is next. I'm the 195 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford in Gilbert hand 196 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: off James Conner running to the left out a hole 197 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: twenty five thirty thirty five, forty ragged down at the 198 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: forty one. Boy, that's as big of a hole as 199 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: we've seen opened up for the Cardinals this year. On 200 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: the run games, Connor the long back, Murray hands it 201 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:35,679 Speaker 1: to him off the left side for a priest at 202 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: fifty five forty and down to the thirty seven of 203 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:43,960 Speaker 1: the Chargers twenty more yards on the ground. O Sante 204 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: Samuel Junior came off the cornerback and suddenly he realized 205 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: that it was one on one with James Connor on 206 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,719 Speaker 1: the outside. I thought he was gonna get his doorbell rung. 207 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: James Connor went right by him with a nice little joke. 208 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: And what telling me say after the game? Get James 209 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: Conner on a corner, get him out there on a 210 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: dB and then look out. And you saw it early 211 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,560 Speaker 1: against the Chargers. Four of his first five runs eighteen yards, 212 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,920 Speaker 1: eight yards, eight yards, six yards. He ends up twenty 213 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: five carries for a buck twenty That is a Cardinals 214 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: high his first one hundred plus yard rushing game as 215 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: an Arizona Cardinal. Had the receiving touchdown as well. And Wolf, 216 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: you're now officially back to your full buyack days, fullback 217 00:12:25,840 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 1: blocking for our Darren Rbott Cardinals insider who joins us 218 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: here on the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford 219 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: and Gilbert. What's up? How you doing? Thanks for having me? So, 220 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: what do you think is that a one game metamorphosis 221 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: of the offense in a way because you had the 222 00:12:41,640 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: league worst Chargers rush defense. We knew look good yards 223 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: per carry given up coming in They had given up 224 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: the most yards per carry to date in a season 225 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 1: since the nineteen seventy merger. Or do you think with 226 00:12:53,280 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 1: healthy James Conner and maybe a different run game coordinator 227 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 1: in Steve Hyden, will this be more of the DNA 228 00:12:59,360 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: over the final month of the season. I think it's 229 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:04,839 Speaker 1: I feel fairly confident in saying that Cardinals are not 230 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:06,839 Speaker 1: going to be able to run like that against the Patriots. 231 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 1: Let's put it that way. I mean, even the beginning 232 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: of that game. I don't know if it was because 233 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: the Chargers, knowing what they couldn't couldn't do against the run, 234 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: they decided to jam the box, But it was almost 235 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: like all James Connor had to do is get to 236 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: the outside and they just didn't bother having anybody out there. 237 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: It was really odd to see early in the game 238 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: that the amount of room James Connor had to run. 239 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it wasn't it wasn't hard to get out there. Yeah, 240 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean he was to the second level all the time. Yeah, 241 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: Easily one of the things once again is going to 242 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: happen though, is you're going to see a lot of 243 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: two safeties playing hot. You're going to see a lot 244 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 1: of cover two shell that is going to be played 245 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,480 Speaker 1: against the likes of Hollywood Brown in DeAndre Hopkins, especially 246 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: with Kyler back and healthy. Once again, even if you 247 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: had Colt McCoy, I think you'd be seeing an awful 248 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 1: lot of that as well. And I think that's going 249 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: to be something that they're going to get a steady 250 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: die off. That means you've got to be able to 251 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: run the ball. If in fact you're gonna have two 252 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 1: safeties high, you have to be able to run the 253 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: ball in that situation. And that's why it was good 254 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: to actually see them commit to doing that. Well, how 255 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,959 Speaker 1: many times you said with backup offensive linement, and four 256 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: of your five offensive linement are backups at this point, 257 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: four starters on IR you know what, they're probably better 258 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: at run blocking than pass blocking. So okay, With that 259 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 1: in mind, plus the departure of Sean Coogler the offensive 260 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: line coach and run game coordinator, and Steve Hyden and 261 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 1: Brian Natkin now in charge on that side, Cliff Kingsbury 262 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: was asked about the offensive line play. You know Brian 263 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: Atkin and Steve Hyden got together and had some thoughts, 264 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: different ideas, and I think it was more about the 265 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: physical play up front. Those guys really took pride this 266 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: week and after the previous week we didn't think we 267 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: played as physicals. We needed to stepped up and created 268 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: some some nice running lanes and I thought James finished 269 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: runs downhill and so that was positive. Schematically, you know, 270 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: there's similarities, and obviously those guys are gonna put their 271 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: own spin on things as well, so maybe a little 272 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: bit maybe a little bit of a different scheme or 273 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: approach to the run game maybe, But I think most importantly, 274 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: because Cliff Kingsbury said it with us after the game 275 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: as well, they just felt like Monday night in Mexico City, 276 00:15:18,480 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: they weren't as physical as a forty nine ers. I 277 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: think we'd all agree that was the case. So that 278 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: was most definitely a point emphasis. And you know what, Darren, 279 00:15:25,480 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: that's something you can control in this final month plus 280 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: of this season. The want to the effort, the intensity 281 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: on the line of scrimmage. I don't disagree with that. 282 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: You know, again you're talking you are talking about backup 283 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: offensive lineman. I think Josh Jones has played pretty well. 284 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: We saw Max Garcia back in the lineup now that 285 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: he's finally healthy. Unfortunately, Cody Ford seems to have been 286 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: surpassed on the depth chart by Richard Coward. So I 287 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 1: don't know if that trades worked out exactly how they 288 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 1: had hoped. When Billy praates the center. But when you 289 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: have the backups, you're right, you can control that, but 290 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: so can the other team. And you're talking about the reserves, 291 00:16:06,520 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: and there is a there is a talent level portion 292 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: to this equation that, especially to me and the run game, 293 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: that becomes harder to scheme and more about the talent. 294 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 1: To me, I say, yes, we know Derby was a 295 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: back no no, but see to me, like in the 296 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: passing game, I feel like there are times when you 297 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: can you can definitely scheme up situations to not always 298 00:16:37,400 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: get over the talent, but it's I think it's y 299 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,040 Speaker 1: get rid of it. Yeah, whereas the running game, it 300 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: to me, it does come down to the talent. And 301 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 1: and and right now that you know the Cardinals are 302 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,680 Speaker 1: so banged up, and and and we we saw what 303 00:16:52,760 --> 00:16:56,560 Speaker 1: happened with the Chargers the Patriots, Bill Belichick knows what 304 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: he's doing with that kind of stuff. So that's the thing, Denver, 305 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: He's got a pretty good defense. Their offense is horrible, 306 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: but their defense is really good. Todd Bowles knows what 307 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: he's doing on defense with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, like 308 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,719 Speaker 1: those are your next three opponents, so you know, we'll 309 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: see what happens. And to your point that they are 310 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 1: banged up and it doesn't look like it's going to change, 311 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: because here's the latest. DJ Humphrey's on IR and Cliff 312 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: Kingsbury asked to be He's out for the year. Just 313 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: wasn't progressing like we thought. We were hopeful for a 314 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 1: while that maybe of something he could come back the 315 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: last few weeks and play, but at this point that 316 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: won't be possible. So yes, he has done for the year. Wolf. 317 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 1: In fact, dress goes quickly, Polly right here. I'm sorry 318 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 1: to cut you off, but I gotta jump in. I mean, 319 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,359 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries is the one thing about him, if you 320 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,400 Speaker 1: watch him on type, he's a dog. You know, this 321 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: is a guy that goes out in balls. This is 322 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: a guy that is a dog. This is a guy 323 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: that will try to bury you. There's a mentality that 324 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 1: DJ Humphries brings to a football field, and I know 325 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:57,840 Speaker 1: it's hard for us when we see him. He's always smiling, 326 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,159 Speaker 1: he's always laughing and everything. Even sometimes on the field 327 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:04,240 Speaker 1: he's doing that. But he does have a dog mentality, 328 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 1: and I think that's what's going to be missed as 329 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: much as anything else for the next five games for 330 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: this team. Is that dog mentality that DJ Humphries brings 331 00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: and playing left tackle right now former third round pick 332 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: Josh Jones and Cliff Kingsbury was asked about his recent performance. 333 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 1: I think he's held his own. He's been waiting for 334 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: an opportunity. I know at times he's been frustrated because 335 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: we have had Beach and DJ playing at a high level. 336 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: But he stepped in and played well. So that's encouraging 337 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: for us moving forward. And being able to play right 338 00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 1: left be that swing guy, I think is a huge 339 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,400 Speaker 1: bonus for us because think about it, Darren, we talked 340 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:42,959 Speaker 1: about this the other day. I mean, there are a 341 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: lot of questions on this roster, especially with this offensive line. Yeah, 342 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,600 Speaker 1: DJ Humphrey's is the only guy under contract going into 343 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: next year. I think right technically, Rodney Hudson is, But 344 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: I'm feeling fairly confident. Rodney Hudson's probably getting to the 345 00:18:57,600 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: point where he's going to say, yeah, I thought about 346 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: retiring this year for this very reason. I wasn't sure 347 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: my body could hold up, and unfortunately it hasn't. So Um. Yeah, 348 00:19:07,119 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: Justin Pugh's a free agent. Will Hernandez is a free agent. 349 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: Max Garcia is a free agent, Calvin Beacham's a free agent, 350 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 1: Cody Ford is a free agent. Rashad Coward is a 351 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: free agent. Wow. Wow, that's interest. I mean, where do 352 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: you start about what derb? I mean, there's a there's 353 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 1: a reason why I think they wanted to play Lessie 354 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,720 Speaker 1: to Smith a little bit to see what he had. Um. 355 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: I think Josh Jones has played solid football and that's 356 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:33,120 Speaker 1: a good thing. Now the question is with Josh Jones 357 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,399 Speaker 1: if Kelvin Beacham's not around here. And I think Kelvin 358 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: Breacham brings to the table a lot more than just 359 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:40,479 Speaker 1: what he does on the field. So that's something you've 360 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: got to think about. Um, do you is Josh Jones? 361 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: Are you comfortable with him at right tackle? If DJ 362 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 1: Humphries continue to be left? Is there any chance you 363 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 1: do with DJ Humphries that you did with Jared vel 364 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: there when Dji to the right side, and I have 365 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: Josh Jones your left tackle. I mean, I think these 366 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: are some of the things you got to figure out. 367 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:03,400 Speaker 1: But in the interior you got to just make sure 368 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: you have bodies right now they don't have those. Can 369 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: I just say this quickly as well? Um, Josh Jones 370 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,159 Speaker 1: to me seems to have played a lot better on 371 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: the left side than he has the right. Yeah, that's 372 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 1: that's why I brought it up. Yes, that was his 373 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: entire career in college left side. Let's not forget there 374 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: are people involved here, and you know how this goes. 375 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: Jared Veldier was not happy when he had to go 376 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,639 Speaker 1: from left to right. Yes, DJ Humphries, I'm guessing who 377 00:20:29,680 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 1: desperately wanted to play left wouldn't be all that thrilled 378 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: to go from left right. And I'm not even suggesting 379 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: an he's brought that up, DJ, I don't know anything, 380 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: but and he's paid like a left tackle. But yes, 381 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: that's true. But at this point, I think, especially with 382 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the way the CAP's going to be at least next year, 383 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: I think you go into it saying we're paying offensive 384 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 1: line X amount of dollars and wherever they end up, 385 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: they end up. I mean, yeah, Dj Humphries are getting 386 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 1: paid like a left tackle. But if you put it 387 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: Josh Jones at left tackle, he's not getting paid like 388 00:20:57,760 --> 00:20:59,600 Speaker 1: a left tackle. So it's all the same. It all 389 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,919 Speaker 1: comes out, yes, All right, Well, look, this might not 390 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,919 Speaker 1: be the norm all the way through the rest of 391 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: this season. There could be potential reinforcements on the old 392 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,880 Speaker 1: line after the bye. Here's Cliff Kingsbury or hopeful will 393 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: or Rodney. I don't know what that's gonna look like, 394 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:17,399 Speaker 1: but hopefully one of the two at some point in 395 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: the near future we can get back in there. I'm 396 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:22,879 Speaker 1: guessing Will hernad is much more likely, yes than Rodney Hudson. 397 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: But even so, I mean, Will Hernandez was playing really 398 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: good football from all accounts at that right guard position, 399 00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: right was I think he was. I think he's earned 400 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,919 Speaker 1: the chance to be back again next year if they 401 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: can get something done, and I think he likes playing here. 402 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: You know, again, when you start talking about having five 403 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: games left in the season and counting every week that 404 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: we go by, then it starts to become what's what's 405 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: the realistic what's the point of bringing somebody back at 406 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: this point, I think will Hernandez sooner rather than later. 407 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 1: And I don't know off the top of my head 408 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: if he's got to miss I think he's got to 409 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 1: miss one more game. Yes, I think you're right, So 410 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: he would get a chance has to play for if 411 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: he came back immediately, which I don't know where he is. 412 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: He was playing so well to your point, Paula, Honestly 413 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: right now, as a matter of fact, I thought he 414 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,639 Speaker 1: was the best offensive lineman that Cardinals id at that 415 00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: point in time. He was playing very, very consistently. And 416 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,480 Speaker 1: we all know how physical he is as well. That 417 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: that is his forte and that's exactly what I think 418 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: the Cardinals need a little bit more of on that 419 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,439 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. Speaking of, you go into this offseason 420 00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: and there's no doubt edge rusher, pass rusher is going 421 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: to be a priority, if not number one overall, but center. 422 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: And it was interesting to your Steve Kim in the 423 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,280 Speaker 1: off season just talk about the importance of the center position, 424 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: and it was sort of an epiphany realized just because 425 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: we always talk about, Okay, quarterback, right and then you 426 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: talk about left tackle, cornerback. You know these are the 427 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: edge rusher, but center more and more, and he realized 428 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,679 Speaker 1: just how vital that can be with you. When Rodney 429 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: Hudson showed up and everything he did for Kyler Murray 430 00:22:57,280 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: and everything he did for that offense, I wouldn't be 431 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: rise if they set aside some big money. If there's 432 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: a free agent out there and or a high draft 433 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: pick for a center this April, I wouldn't be shocked either. 434 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: I mean the reports came out post draft that had 435 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 1: they not traded that that pick for Hollywood Brown, they 436 00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: probably would have gone center in the first round. And 437 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:20,399 Speaker 1: it's funny that they ended up with Billy Price because 438 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,399 Speaker 1: I think after the draft thing happened and when they 439 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: weren't sure about Rodney Hudson coming back, I think Billy 440 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 1: Price was going to be the free agent they were 441 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: seriously thinking about signing. So I think that's something that's 442 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: absolutely got to get straightened out at this point because 443 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: the last couple of years with Rodney Hutson being banged 444 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: up is I don't think anybody's been comfortable with that situation, 445 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,400 Speaker 1: and talking to a few people, things have slowed down 446 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. For Billy Price, it was tough. You 447 00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: walk in and you've got to be the quarterback of 448 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 1: that offensive line, and he was required to make a 449 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 1: lot of calls and recognitions that he wasn't accustomed to 450 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: doing stuff that Rodney Hudson was doing. They're asking him 451 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: to do the same thing. And because when he was 452 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: whipped the Raiders, they didn't want him calling anything. Isn't 453 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: that interesting, Josh McDaniels. And it was a very different 454 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 1: system the Raiders playbook versus Cliff Kingsbury. So it took 455 00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:15,040 Speaker 1: him a little while. And he has new interior guards 456 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 1: on either side of him, but things have slowed down 457 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: for him a little bit. Remember the Patriots are number 458 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,879 Speaker 1: two in the NFL as a team in sacks, behind 459 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: only the Dallas Cowboys. We continue with this addition to 460 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford. In Gilbert 461 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: third down at six at the LA thirty four, Chargers 462 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: showing blitz, they back off Murray back the past blackdown 463 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: pass at the middle, pop at the twenty in a 464 00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: broken tackle, Hop is loose at the ten at the 465 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: five and end of the end zone before the touchdown. 466 00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: This will likely stand it looked like the Chargers were 467 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 1: offside a Ken Murray getting rid of it quickly, being 468 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: decisive and letting his playmaker do the rest of thirty 469 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: four yard ketch and run for a score by hop 470 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,680 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins over the middle of the field. Great job 471 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: by Kyler Murray's standing tall in the pocket and delivering 472 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: a strike to DeAndre Hopkins. And as he does so 473 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 1: much at the time, he runs after the catch man, 474 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: He's slippery, no doubt. It is amazing, like at Cleveland 475 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,479 Speaker 1: last year, being field level, remember that catching about ten 476 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: yard touchdown run and he made like seven guys, Miss Paul. 477 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: It's so weird because nobody talks about d hopping one 478 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:35,159 Speaker 1: of the best yards after catch guys. Nobody really talks 479 00:25:35,200 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: about him being that guy. Yet anyone who watches him, 480 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: he is a dicey proposition to try to tackle. Very unorthodox. 481 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Greg Dortsch is said in the studio and 482 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,400 Speaker 1: welcome back into the Big Red Rage or by Week 483 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:51,439 Speaker 1: edition presented by Saying tan Ford in Gilbert Paul kelbc 484 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: Ron Wolfley Cardinals insider Darren Rman with US. Greg Dortsch said, 485 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: I'll make anybody missing a phone booth but that's a 486 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 1: totally different way that he gets it done versus a 487 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,959 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins. It was longer and leaner, and it's just 488 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: a you know, but seemingly after every catch he does 489 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: make that first man miss he does. He's so slippery. 490 00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 1: Not only that too, Guys, nobody talks about d hopping 491 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: a great deep threat. Nobody's not a run by guy. 492 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,640 Speaker 1: He isn't yet. All he does is make place when 493 00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: you give him the opportunity down the field. It's the 494 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 1: magic of DeAndre Hopkins. Well, and that's been crucial this 495 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 1: year because if you didn't have guys like that, if 496 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: you didn't have Greg Dortsch doing a couple of little things, 497 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: even Hollywood Brown before he got hurt, you wouldn't have 498 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: any big plays because there is no deep balls this year. 499 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: So before I ask you, Darren, about the first time 500 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: this year you have seen Hollywood Brown and DeAndre Hopkins 501 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 1: out there together. Let's see her from the quarterback Kyler Murray. 502 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,880 Speaker 1: Feel good to have him back out there. Some things 503 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,479 Speaker 1: we wish we had back, obviously, but to have him 504 00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: back out there on the same field as as you know, 505 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: that was the first time actually, so it was good 506 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: to see him both in Nasha. Unfortunately it was week twelve, 507 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: but you finally saw him out there. So what do 508 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 1: you think Brown does for you? And does Ford hop 509 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: and does for Kyle Learn does for this passing offense? 510 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: And to Wolf's point earlier, what does it do against 511 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: these two high safety shell looks they keep getting? I mean, 512 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,359 Speaker 1: for me, the immediate play that comes to mind was 513 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: hopkins thirty three yard touchdown that we heard the play 514 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,439 Speaker 1: call on coming back from break, because that was a 515 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,400 Speaker 1: play where Hopkins was actually lined up next to Hollywood Brown, 516 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: but Hopkins was on the inside, and they ran a 517 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 1: play where Hopkins kind of took the slot and went across, 518 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:32,120 Speaker 1: and I was impressed with how they executed it. And 519 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 1: you know, I talked to DeAndre last week about it, 520 00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: and he was I said, Look, everybody talks about Hollywood 521 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,000 Speaker 1: being back, and does that really mean anything for you 522 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,440 Speaker 1: or is it still going to be the defense is 523 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,480 Speaker 1: going to be watching DeAndre Hopkins and then we'll see 524 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: how they deal with Hollywood And and hop truly believed 525 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: that it was going to make for harder choices for 526 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: the opposition and they weren't just going to completely focus 527 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: on him. And I thought we saw a little bit 528 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 1: of that. I mean, you still want to see again 529 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:07,680 Speaker 1: bigger plays down the field, especially with Hollywood. They took 530 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 1: a couple of shots, yea, weren't real close, unfortunately, And 531 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: that's a whole other topic of a conversation. But I 532 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:18,719 Speaker 1: think having both those guys out there makes a huge difference. 533 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: And I go back, this was before I was on 534 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: the air with you, but I heard you talking about 535 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: the lack of targets on those last few possessions that 536 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: that's really strange to me, because you know, you would 537 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: think with two guys out there, you'd be able to 538 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 1: find a way to get it to one and try 539 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: and crank out a couple of those first towns you'd 540 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,000 Speaker 1: so desperately needed. The one target in the fourth quarter 541 00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: between d Hop and Hollywood Brown was the near interception, 542 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: the one handed Stah, goodness, my d Hop, that's saved one. 543 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: Are the greatest catches I've seen ever, And yet how long? 544 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: What was that? A six yard four yard completion flight 545 00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: there Just an incredible play by an incredible player. And 546 00:28:57,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: by the way, Hollywood Brown, we thought he was good, 547 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: ought he was going to be on a pitch count no, 548 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,480 Speaker 1: he played sixty four out of sixty six snaps. That's 549 00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: ninety seven percent of the snaps. And there's Cliff Kingsbury 550 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 1: on that he felt good. I mean, I thought, we 551 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: want to see him out there running and he felt 552 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: good and didn't want to come out and I thought 553 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: he played fast and played at a high level. Had 554 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:18,320 Speaker 1: some some opportunities that weren't able to get him the 555 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: ball a couple of times that I thought he was 556 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: running really well. But we'll continue to fit him back 557 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: in and get him going. And of course they needed 558 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 1: it more than ever because they're without Rondale Moore and 559 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: Greg Dortch didn't play. You know, we get it, there's 560 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: no zach Ertz. But well, what do you think what 561 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: is the upside? What is the potential for this combination 562 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: at receiver too legitimate wide receiver ones in this lineup? 563 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: N Paul, I think it has a huge impact. It's 564 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why the Arizona Cardinals once again 565 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,640 Speaker 1: see so much of the cover two, the two safeties 566 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 1: high for the most part in rundown situation, first in 567 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: ten second and one to six. If in fact that's 568 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: what you get, you have to be able to run 569 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: the ball. You have to be able to run the 570 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: ball against the those looks if in fact that's what 571 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: you're getting, and the Cardinals get it so much of 572 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: the time right now. It's one of the reasons why 573 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 1: as well, you've got to have a rhythm and timing 574 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 1: quarterback being able to get the ball out quickly. It's 575 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,880 Speaker 1: something we saw with Colt McCoy as well. You have 576 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: something where you've got to have route combinations going against 577 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: a covered two look where you're going to have two 578 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: deep five underneath and you're gonna get a lot of 579 00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: four man rushes. That is what they've got to work 580 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: on more than anything else. I think they're quick game, 581 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,640 Speaker 1: they're quick passing game, and still be able to take 582 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 1: shots down the field. I was so disappointed Kyler Murray 583 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,880 Speaker 1: two times had the opportunity to hit Hollywood Brown and 584 00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 1: there was one time where Hollywood Brown looked like he 585 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:49,160 Speaker 1: had a couple of steps on the defender, and both 586 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: times Kyler threw the ball out of bounds. This is 587 00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I continue to say they 588 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 1: got to get Kyler Murray right once again. Kyler's got 589 00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: to get right, and it's not just Kyler, who's got 590 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: to do it. It's the entire offense around him. This 591 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: is what I think is in front of them right 592 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: now with five games to go, they got to get 593 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 1: Kyler right, in my opinion, and especially when it comes 594 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: to those deep shots, because Darren, there's first three years 595 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: he was among the league leaders, if not number one, 596 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:22,959 Speaker 1: in deep ball accuracy, right, Yeah, I mean that missing 597 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 1: piece is just that's That's what's glaring this deep in 598 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: the season, quite frankly, is the inability to have a 599 00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 1: ball go over the top. We saw so many of them, 600 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: and most of them were to Christian Kirk in the past, 601 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know if that plays any kind of 602 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: factor into this. Obviously, we've talked about the offensive line issues, 603 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: so you would need a certain amount of protection to 604 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: be able to throw it that far down the field. 605 00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: But even when he's had the moments, it's it's either 606 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:55,200 Speaker 1: come up short for one reason or another, or it's 607 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: like in the other game or this past game, it 608 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: went out of bounds and and not like close out 609 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 1: of bounds, like oh, it's he's just tied up in 610 00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: sidelines like the one I'm thinking of, there was no 611 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 1: chance and you wonder where that is, because quite frankly, 612 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: he's been so good at that. But even even the 613 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 1: fourth down play, the one that completely melted down, I 614 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,959 Speaker 1: felt like, if he gets the ball a little further downfield, 615 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,959 Speaker 1: hop makes that play over Derwin James and he just 616 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: left it a little short. Well, look here's clip Kingsbury. 617 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: He knows what he has and those two receivers is 618 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: the reason they made the trade for Hollywood Brown and 619 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: added him to DeAndre Hopkins. You can see that, you know, 620 00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: it can cause some problems for the defense. And then 621 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: zach Ertz, you know, he's he's a big part of 622 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 1: work in the middle. He's a guy who is kind 623 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: of the fail safe for this offense. That that's one 624 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 1: that with those two guys and the speed they play 625 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: with around him, I think, you know, could have been 626 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: a real weapon. But watching Hollywood run and take the 627 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: top off things and then DeAndre doing someone underneath stuff, 628 00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 1: it can be a good a good weapon force moving 629 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: for there's no doubt, and there's no doubt if he 630 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: Zach hurts working the seams along with those two wide receivers, 631 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: whoop all the potential. I know when the pregame show 632 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,479 Speaker 1: Drew stan was talking about. Look, just the fact of 633 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: where they're going to line them up and when you 634 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: put de hop in Hollywood round to the same side, 635 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: Now what does the defense do. You certainly can't bracket 636 00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: both of them. You can't double team both of them. 637 00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: Now you have four dbs one side of the field. 638 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: Guess what that's you know, that's definitely a liability there. 639 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: So there's it's interesting. I was watching throughout the game, 640 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: and I don't have the exact specifics, but it was 641 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: interesting how they were being used. And obviously DeAndre Hopkins 642 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: is inside a lot more than he had been last year. Yeah, no, 643 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: you're right about that, and they're moving him around it. 644 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:40,560 Speaker 1: I think that's what they've got to continue to do 645 00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: to expand and evolve this offense is to definitely move 646 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: them around. But once again, can I just continue to 647 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: say what the Arizona Cardinals to me need more than 648 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: anything else is a true stud tight end. That's what 649 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: they need, A true why tight end where they can 650 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: get into eleven personnel, one back, one tight end, three 651 00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,480 Speaker 1: wide receivers, and two of those wide receivers are Hollywood 652 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: Brown and DeAndre Hopkins. Rondel Moore would be another guy 653 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759 Speaker 1: that would be perfect to add to that. But now, 654 00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you had that true stud 655 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: tight end, you could run down situation. You could run 656 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: the ball just as effectively as you could throw the ball. Okay, 657 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,240 Speaker 1: that messes defenses up. But in when we're sitting here talking, 658 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: the elephant in the room is Trey McBride have that 659 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,760 Speaker 1: chance to be that guy? You respect us have a chance. 660 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: He's a second round pick. I know he does have 661 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:38,000 Speaker 1: a chance to be that guy. Will he that's the question? Well, 662 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: and it was a question put to Cliff Kingsbury this week, 663 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,760 Speaker 1: the progress of the top tight end taking in the draft. 664 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: He's just grown into it right now. I mean we 665 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 1: see some real flashes at practice where you know, you 666 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: know he's going to be a very good player in 667 00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: this league. And then sometimes in the games it seems 668 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: a little speed up for him. But that's all rookies, 669 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: you know. And the more reps he gets for zagbean out, 670 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: I think it's going to continue to help and you 671 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:02,920 Speaker 1: start to see some of those flashes as a season 672 00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,480 Speaker 1: winds down. There are a couple of things that are 673 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: confounding and perplexing about Trey McBride so far. I think 674 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,239 Speaker 1: it was week two. We had Max Williams in here 675 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: on this big red rage in this studio. Unprompted, he 676 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,440 Speaker 1: went into a long explanation how we thought Trey McBride 677 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,720 Speaker 1: was going to be special. Sure, how he has everything 678 00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 1: you need to be that two way tight end. Sure. 679 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 1: And then in practices and in training camp he catches 680 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: the ball easily. He has really nice hands. In practice, 681 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: I know, but you know he doesn't fight the football. 682 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:31,520 Speaker 1: He looks like a natural pass catcher. But we haven't 683 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: seen that obviously translate to game days. No, we haven't. 684 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know, I'm sorry PAULI, but right now the 685 00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,319 Speaker 1: jury is still out on Trey mill. We all know that. 686 00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:44,800 Speaker 1: Yet at the same time you bring up Max Williams. 687 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: Never never forget what this offense look like through the 688 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: first five weeks of the season last year September. In 689 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,960 Speaker 1: October of twenty twenty one, it was humming. And the 690 00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: reason why it was humming was because of what I 691 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,760 Speaker 1: just said. They could throw the ball or they could 692 00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:03,239 Speaker 1: line up and run the ball. With a true stud 693 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: tight end, Max Williams run the ball against six man 694 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:11,239 Speaker 1: boxes all day long and hold up, especially at the 695 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,160 Speaker 1: point of attack. They could do it. That was a 696 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:17,279 Speaker 1: huge advantage to this offense and they got to get 697 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,440 Speaker 1: back to that at some point in time. But that 698 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: requires that you find a true stud tight end. And 699 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,200 Speaker 1: I'm not saying Max Williams can't be that guy, but 700 00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 1: we all know that he's fighting it. I was going 701 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,839 Speaker 1: to say when Cliff Kingsbury talked about his injury, I mean, 702 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,919 Speaker 1: Max Williams nerve ending is not walking through that door 703 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:41,120 Speaker 1: and fixing that leg that Cliff talked about earlier this week, 704 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 1: And I just Max isn't at least this season, and 705 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,919 Speaker 1: maybe who knows ever, he's not going to be that guy. 706 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,120 Speaker 1: But I bring it up as an exact yet that 707 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040 Speaker 1: I get that. And to your point, well, there's a 708 00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,080 Speaker 1: reason they went after Tray McBride and round two of 709 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: the draft, correct, because I think they understood the importance 710 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: of that two weight tight end what Maxams did do. 711 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: To your point for that Cardinals offense at the beginning 712 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: of last year, I agree the jury is still out 713 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120 Speaker 1: on Trey McBride, but the reality is is if you're 714 00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: drafting a guy in that spot, he better be that guy. 715 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:15,680 Speaker 1: And I'm you know at this point it is what 716 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 1: it is. I think they're you'll you'll use zach Ertz, 717 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: but we'll talk about in the offseason the jump from 718 00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 1: year one to year two. Hopefully he can have a 719 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,319 Speaker 1: Zavin Collins type kind of jump. And they're gonna need 720 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,719 Speaker 1: him because I agree they need that piece, m but 721 00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: that's why you draft him. And if you're sitting here 722 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,319 Speaker 1: and saying they don't have that guy right now, he's 723 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,480 Speaker 1: gonna have to figure it out. And to me, and 724 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm writing a piece for the Easy Cardinals dot Com 725 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: later in the week about different things that they can 726 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,480 Speaker 1: be looking at down the stretch here because the playoffs, 727 00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: let's face it, aren't going to happen. And one of 728 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: them is the development of these rookies other my j 729 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: Sanders and the Cameron Thomas is maybe even Keyanta Ingram 730 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:56,200 Speaker 1: and definitely Trey McBride. No, that is a great point 731 00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: right there. Honestly, five games, Trey McBride's to see the field. 732 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: You put him mildpare and you let him see it. Well, 733 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,000 Speaker 1: he's been out there, yes, since it's got hurt. He's 734 00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:09,080 Speaker 1: the guy. The play after the one handed stab by 735 00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins he had the incompletion. Whether you want to 736 00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,680 Speaker 1: call it a drop or not, it was knocked away. Paul. 737 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: He was disappointed. He was dejected on that bench. I'll 738 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:19,399 Speaker 1: be honest, I'll draw a parallel. I don't know. This 739 00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: is just my observation to and Andy Isabella early in 740 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:26,800 Speaker 1: his career. Confidence is it there right now? For Trey McBride. 741 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: There's that story of what coach McDaniel did for Tua 742 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: in Miami. Yeah, but to go that whole real highlight 743 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: reel restored his confidence and so maybe somehow, some way 744 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 1: they can do that with a Trey McBride at some 745 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 1: point in time. And it always has to come back 746 00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: to the individual doing it. Episode fifty one of The 747 00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 1: Day Pash Podcast featuring RG three Robert Griffin the third 748 00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 1: thanks to Darren Irban Cardinals Insider. We continue with a 749 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:57,640 Speaker 1: big red rage presented by Santan Ford and Gilbert first 750 00:38:57,680 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 1: and goal on the two Floyd to the right, to 751 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,800 Speaker 1: Evers to the laft including Fitz snapped a palm or 752 00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:04,719 Speaker 1: gonna throw lobs at left side of the end zone. 753 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:08,280 Speaker 1: For Fitz, he's on the ground and he's still bought it. 754 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: The century mark for Larry fitzgerald career touchdown number one 755 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: hundred and the Cardinals tie the game in twenty deadly 756 00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 1: and single minded of purpose. Larry touches the ball as 757 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,400 Speaker 1: he's going down. It's somehow pinned it to his helmet. 758 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: What a catch by Larry. In fact, when de hop 759 00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: made that one handed stab to prevent the interception late 760 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 1: third quarter, the first thing I thought of was, you 761 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,759 Speaker 1: know that's Larry Esque's that's Fitzgerald worthy, Larry legend. I'm 762 00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: many unbelievable catches did we see over his Hall of 763 00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,560 Speaker 1: Fame career. Greg call there by Pash Wolf on the 764 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,440 Speaker 1: Arizona Cardinals Radio Network because we wrap up this byweek 765 00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,040 Speaker 1: condition to the Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford 766 00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:58,960 Speaker 1: in Gilbert Ron Wolfley, Do you appreciate enough when we 767 00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 1: had zoom out during a bye week some of the 768 00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: caliber of play you've seen by Larry Fitzgerald, DeAndre Hopkins 769 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,640 Speaker 1: in company over the years, Yes, Polly, I do. There's 770 00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: no doubt. Don't forget Roy jet Stream, Yeah, somebody that 771 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,080 Speaker 1: I actually played with. Polly and ann Quon Bolden it 772 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: right as well, Man had The Arizona Cardinals had some 773 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:21,879 Speaker 1: wide receivers no doubt about that. So Cardinals getting ready 774 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: for a New England team. So that was sort of 775 00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:27,120 Speaker 1: ironic there the one hundredth career touchdown against the Patriots 776 00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: team and guess what, they still have the same head coach. 777 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,520 Speaker 1: And we all remember twenty twenty, at least I do, 778 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,360 Speaker 1: because of a very long COVID trip to an empty 779 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,719 Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium in Foxborough and Cam Newton stuck up, I 780 00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: mean just was terrible, stunk up. The joint had a 781 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 1: passer rating in the twenties, and somehow Bell Belichick pulled 782 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: a win out against the Cardinals in that game, cam Na, 783 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you just look, they're not gonna give you anything. 784 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,000 Speaker 1: They're gonna be buttoned up. They're not going to beat themselves. Right, 785 00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,640 Speaker 1: you tell me you played for the man. What are 786 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: you expecting in New England when they come to town 787 00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: on Monday night, Week fourteen. Well, just like you said, right, Polly, 788 00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: they don't beat themselves. That's a hallmark of Bill Belichick 789 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: and what he coaches, what he teaches, of course, what 790 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 1: he believes, and every team for the most part, all 791 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,200 Speaker 1: the way back to the Cleveland Browns, even when he 792 00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: was with the Cleveland Browns. We didn't beat ourselves. We 793 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,480 Speaker 1: just weren't good enough at that point in time, they 794 00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,160 Speaker 1: had players like me. I mean, they just weren't good enough, Polly, 795 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: and you know that is a hallmark of Bill Belichick 796 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,440 Speaker 1: and the Arizona Cardinals are gonna have to be buttoned 797 00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,400 Speaker 1: up if they don't want to get run in this game. 798 00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:37,760 Speaker 1: And yet at the same time, I just have this feeling, 799 00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,680 Speaker 1: I really do. With five games left, coming off of 800 00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 1: the buy, I have this feeling that getting Kyler Murray 801 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,480 Speaker 1: Wright has got to be the goal overall. Forget about 802 00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: wins and losses at this point, when you got a 803 00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: one percent chance to get into the postseason, forget about that. Yeah, 804 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: it'd be nice if you you want a couple of 805 00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,840 Speaker 1: games in a row, whatever it may be. But to me, 806 00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,880 Speaker 1: it's all about getting Kyler Murray and this offense playing 807 00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,200 Speaker 1: at the level you thought there were going to be 808 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 1: playing coming into this season. Buddha Baker all pro safety. 809 00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 1: His message to the locker room over these final five 810 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 1: games rests, rejuvenate, recover, be with your families. But at 811 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 1: the end of the day, when it's time to work, 812 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,840 Speaker 1: we work at work, and we've got five more opportunities. 813 00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:22,680 Speaker 1: Take the best of those opportunities, because you know, this 814 00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:25,200 Speaker 1: league is stands for not for long, and we got 815 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,600 Speaker 1: five more opportunities to play some good football. And that's 816 00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: the plan that we're going to do. So let me 817 00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,279 Speaker 1: ask you. Five of the last six games now, dbs 818 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,840 Speaker 1: have been the leading tacklers for the Cardinals defense. Is 819 00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,239 Speaker 1: that a problem if your advanced Joseph and look, I 820 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: get it, Buddha Baker. Over the last four years, nobody 821 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: has more tackles as a defensive back in the NFL 822 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:48,200 Speaker 1: than Buddha Baker. And it's not giving close. But I 823 00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,000 Speaker 1: just one if that's one of those things you're looking 824 00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:52,279 Speaker 1: at and you're hoping that maybe a Zaving Collins, now 825 00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 1: Isaiah Simmons did tie for the lead in this game. 826 00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:57,439 Speaker 1: Sure those two guys to me should always be at 827 00:42:57,560 --> 00:42:59,719 Speaker 1: the top of the tackle total. Yeah, I would say 828 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:03,160 Speaker 1: as Isaiah Simmons as well, because he's also playing an 829 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:07,120 Speaker 1: awful lot in space from time to time. So so 830 00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: that's something that I think he's always going to be 831 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: up there in terms of tackles. Zaven Collins, on the 832 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: other hand, Yeah, he's getting better. Man, this much I 833 00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,560 Speaker 1: know about Zaven Collins. This guy is getting better. I 834 00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: watch him on tape and even when he doesn't make 835 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,080 Speaker 1: the play sometimes he's doing a great job of filling 836 00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:32,400 Speaker 1: his gap and stuffing the play. So, yeah, I'm encouraged 837 00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: based on what I'm seeing from those two young guys. 838 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,800 Speaker 1: That's good to hear because obviously they are the future. 839 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,840 Speaker 1: They are first round picks. And then you have the 840 00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: likes of a Byron Murphy whereas yeah, DJ Humphreys with 841 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: his back injury put on IRN Cliff Kingsbury said he's 842 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:48,720 Speaker 1: done for the year. That's not the case with Byron Murphy, 843 00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:50,759 Speaker 1: at least not yet. Can you see Byron Murphy back 844 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,240 Speaker 1: goes guess what he needs a decision on his future 845 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: with the Cardinals and his contracts. That just like as 846 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,799 Speaker 1: Zach Allen does, another draft pick by the Cardinals who's 847 00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 1: had a really nice season on the defensive side of 848 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,360 Speaker 1: the ball, there are a lot of questions to be 849 00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,640 Speaker 1: answered and a roster would be formulated. And you know what, 850 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,359 Speaker 1: the only real telling trait is what they do on 851 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,120 Speaker 1: this game film. Yeah, and for that reason, I don't 852 00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: expect this team to cave in. There are too many 853 00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:19,960 Speaker 1: guys that have too many of their own futures wrapped 854 00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:21,960 Speaker 1: up in the outcome of these final five games. Yeah, 855 00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,640 Speaker 1: right now, just looking at it, Zach Allen, I'm extending him. 856 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Byron Murphy, you better believe it. You get 857 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 1: him healthy, I'm extending him as well. Yeah, no doubt. 858 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,879 Speaker 1: And look, your cornerback room I think is a lot 859 00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,239 Speaker 1: better than we thought going into this season. To me, 860 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 1: that's not the priority this offseason. If you can extend 861 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,000 Speaker 1: a Byron Murphy, I think you're set there. Use some 862 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:48,080 Speaker 1: of those early round draft assets going after the edge rusher. 863 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: I think a Jayleen Thompson. What they did with Jayleen Thompson, 864 00:44:51,239 --> 00:44:53,040 Speaker 1: I think they're going to do the same thing. Yep, 865 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,920 Speaker 1: there you go. Well, special thanks Darren Irman, Cardinals insider, 866 00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,879 Speaker 1: Jim almahund Zach Larson. 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