WEBVTT - Chapter 7 – The Cost of War

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Trim and this is Saigon, the story

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<v Speaker 1>of my family and of the country that shaped us.

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<v Speaker 2>The United States will not stand by and allow any power.

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<v Speaker 3>However, great ape over another time.

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<v Speaker 4>Oren't no wild.

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<v Speaker 5>Natural expagon that brought only come new land.

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<v Speaker 6>A bad dy babbled.

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<v Speaker 2>That can be no peace without justice, and that can be.

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<v Speaker 7>No justice without peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Chapter seven. Having recovered from the initial surprise of the

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<v Speaker 1>Viet Cong's huge tet offensive, the US soon recaptured the

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<v Speaker 1>cities that had been taken. Now, the more difficult task

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<v Speaker 1>of clearing the communists out of the countryside began. It

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<v Speaker 1>was March nineteen sixty eight.

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<v Speaker 4>Sir, what they're ready for you now? Colonel Henderson, good,

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<v Speaker 4>you ready? Captain Sherman, Yes, sir, I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 7>All right.

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<v Speaker 8>Let's go.

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<v Speaker 9>Ten hot, sir, wage.

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<v Speaker 8>Tomorrow this payback time.

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<v Speaker 10>Now, the Viet COM's forty eighth Battalion has dispersed among

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<v Speaker 10>the six hamlets of the Lee Fong area Bio seven hundred,

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<v Speaker 10>and all the civilians the markets are working the fields.

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<v Speaker 10>That means any man left in the villages will be

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<v Speaker 10>the sea. Now we have been assigned hamlets one to five.

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<v Speaker 9>We will go in there.

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<v Speaker 8>Aggressively close with the enemy and wipe.

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<v Speaker 9>Him out for good.

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<v Speaker 11>And that dawn when you climb into the slicks, I

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<v Speaker 11>don't want you thinking about your sweetheart back home, or

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<v Speaker 11>your mama and Papa and the smell of apple pie

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<v Speaker 11>and ice cream.

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<v Speaker 12>You will be the wrath of God ranging through the

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<v Speaker 12>gates of hell with one thought and one thought only.

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<v Speaker 12>All your dead and wounded buddies. You are their retribution.

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<v Speaker 12>You will rain fire on these bastards. Am I right,

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<v Speaker 12>Captain German?

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<v Speaker 13>Uh?

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<v Speaker 14>Yes, sir, absolutely, you will be the hand of justice

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<v Speaker 14>across the hole of the quag not province.

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<v Speaker 15>Are you ready?

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<v Speaker 8>Carry on?

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<v Speaker 4>Get some rest, guys. I'll see you back here at

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<v Speaker 4>six hundred hours, uh, Captain German. Yeah, I just thought

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<v Speaker 4>you ought to know.

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<v Speaker 16>Ryan sick Captain, but he won't see them o because

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<v Speaker 16>he thinks he'll have to sit out the mission.

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<v Speaker 4>What's sort of sick his shoulder, Captain, it's got infected.

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<v Speaker 14>Can he shoot?

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<v Speaker 4>No, Sir, I'll tell him. I don't send sick men

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<v Speaker 4>into battle just to prove some crazy notion of toughness.

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<v Speaker 4>You can either see the mo o or come and

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<v Speaker 4>see me and let me make the call. Yes, captain. Now,

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<v Speaker 4>thank you, Corporal. Misplaced bravery isn't gonna win us this war.

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<v Speaker 4>We got to keep our heads understood, Captain, Okay, Corporal,

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<v Speaker 4>see you in the morning, sir, Thank you, Sir, cat

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<v Speaker 4>and Sherman. Colonel Henderson, Yes, sir, is there a problem.

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<v Speaker 8>You're covering hamlets one and two?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, correct, sir. See companies covering three and four? Be

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<v Speaker 4>Company five and six.

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<v Speaker 8>We'll make damn sure they do the job properly, Sherman.

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<v Speaker 8>The entire area has to become totally unusable for the vicom.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm talking. Burn houses, kill livestock, destroy food stores, and

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<v Speaker 8>poison all the whales. That understood, understood, Yes, Colonel Good

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<v Speaker 8>at east, Captain, where's Medina?

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<v Speaker 12>Two?

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<v Speaker 7>Ten?

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<v Speaker 9>S downs?

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<v Speaker 8>Sir, very good, and remember Captain, the hand of God retribution.

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<v Speaker 1>That night, Captain Gary Sherman sat down and wrote a

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<v Speaker 1>letter for his father, Joseph Sherman. It was a ritual

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<v Speaker 1>he performed before every battle. It was a superstition he'd

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<v Speaker 1>come to believe in. As long as he prepared for

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<v Speaker 1>the worst, it wouldn't happen.

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<v Speaker 4>Dear Dad. Sorry, we couldn't catch up last month. By

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<v Speaker 4>the time you got back to Saigon. We'd been posted

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<v Speaker 4>up here. We're heading out on a clean up mission tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 4>We have to flush out any remaining Viet Cong, which

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<v Speaker 4>is always hard when they make themselves look like innocent villagers.

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<v Speaker 15>Got it.

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<v Speaker 4>I keep thinking about that girl too, the VC girl

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<v Speaker 4>who came out of the ground. I wake up every

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<v Speaker 4>night and see her face, see her look at me

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<v Speaker 4>and then lower her gun. I should have died that.

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<v Speaker 10>Day, but I didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>And tomorrow, when we go on our mission, I keep

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<v Speaker 4>thinking she'll be out there, and she's my half sister.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes me wonder why we're here, what are we

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<v Speaker 4>even doing here? We leave at dawn, so I better

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<v Speaker 4>get some sleep. Just wanted to write this first, like always,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, in case, I Love your Dad, look after yourself,

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<v Speaker 4>Love Gary, Fight for.

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<v Speaker 9>One Alpha perchingham Let's Project.

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<v Speaker 2>Christians copy Fay for one, Alca All clear.

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<v Speaker 9>Roger, Okay, here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>He's gonna hover a couple of feet off Brown, stay low,

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<v Speaker 2>letch your ankles right clear.

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<v Speaker 9>And come go on.

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<v Speaker 2>Alpha Company spread out, staying to be Parker left, Blake, Thompson,

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<v Speaker 2>Hicks right side.

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<v Speaker 9>Right, move out forward stay Frosty three sixty.

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<v Speaker 4>Thompson, Captain, see anything, nothing yet, and we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 4>us a whole rack of yellow ass today, though, aren't we?

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<v Speaker 9>Hixy good goddamn tip?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, careful, guys, they would have heard the choppers. It

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<v Speaker 4>could be hiding anywhere.

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<v Speaker 9>Gonna turn them all this strawberry jelly wherever they are,

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<v Speaker 9>Captain Goodwin, Captain take point. It's move hold it? What

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<v Speaker 9>play in mind? Okay, guys, keep moving and watch where

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<v Speaker 9>you're stepping.

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<v Speaker 10>Who was it?

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<v Speaker 9>C Company? By leifunk pork? They found themselves from VC Parker.

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<v Speaker 9>What have we got, leefunk one? See anything? Some kids

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<v Speaker 9>playing on the path, an old woman cooking breakfast?

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<v Speaker 6>Just kids and women.

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<v Speaker 9>Weren't they men to be at the market?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 9>Or on the fields? That's what we thought. Where the

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<v Speaker 9>hell of the VC?

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe they've gone.

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<v Speaker 3>We're in the huts.

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<v Speaker 9>Get down, fire, it's me. Who are you? Women? Rob

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<v Speaker 9>A company?

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<v Speaker 15>Captain Wakowski says, leaf on three's empty, so you can

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<v Speaker 15>swing north and won't have to worry about your ear.

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<v Speaker 9>Hold your ground there, right, thanks?

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<v Speaker 4>Women?

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<v Speaker 9>And what's happening at four? That's Medina and C Company.

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<v Speaker 15>They're just going crazy, killing everything chickens, kids, women, what

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<v Speaker 15>they're wiping out everything.

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<v Speaker 9>There's no orders to kill women and kids.

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<v Speaker 6>Tell them that, Jesus.

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<v Speaker 9>Parker, hold your position here. I'm going up to Leif

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<v Speaker 9>funk four Thompson Hicks with me. Let scope.

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<v Speaker 7>Stop.

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<v Speaker 9>You can get down.

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<v Speaker 6>Christ What are they doing? It sounds like they're killing him. Captain,

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<v Speaker 6>this is a massacre. None of these people are viet

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<v Speaker 6>cong As. If it was right, there are all kids

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<v Speaker 6>and women and old guys. Holy God, Captain.

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<v Speaker 1>Over a hundred villagers had already been shot or bayoneted

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<v Speaker 1>with no letup in sight.

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<v Speaker 4>I have to stop this and ne'd cover Thompson Hicks.

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<v Speaker 8>Captain, Yes, sir, okay, let's get.

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<v Speaker 4>On down there a lead put on three aim over

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<v Speaker 4>their heads and keep going until they come to their senses.

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<v Speaker 9>You ready go, okay? What crow right?

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<v Speaker 13>Put DNA stop stop it, God stop, say company, this

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<v Speaker 13>is insane.

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<v Speaker 9>Stop but dd I can't rule your bed. He's art

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<v Speaker 9>be saying, what the hell are you doing? Turn it

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<v Speaker 9>out now? No more? That's it?

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<v Speaker 13>Okay, but oh your guy shit, I'm on a landmine, Captain,

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<v Speaker 13>say stay there, Thompson.

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<v Speaker 9>Sh I'm gonna try to to disengage, Captain. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 9>be okay, Captain, we call him at he What have

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<v Speaker 9>we got? Lambine doc folks leg blow the knee, alright,

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<v Speaker 9>you're trying to get it into something giving him you

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<v Speaker 9>don't know about other injuries, Scott, what a mess. Okay,

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<v Speaker 9>Let's get.

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<v Speaker 16>Him on a stretcher and strap him to the skids

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<v Speaker 16>and morphe ready and when I say lip yet and

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<v Speaker 16>lift now gently real channel, you get that strapped under

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<v Speaker 16>the skin across the shoulders.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, captain, it's okay. We're gonna get you.

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<v Speaker 7>Out of here.

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<v Speaker 9>We're getting help for you with me with you kidding help.

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<v Speaker 9>It's trying to relax, captain. Let's take care of the paint.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm saying, guess captain, tell dad, I never got to

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<v Speaker 6>say anything came out of the crown with that captain.

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<v Speaker 6>When she saw me, she knew, she could.

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<v Speaker 1>See that was.

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<v Speaker 6>She knew what captain who is? She just just stared

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<v Speaker 6>because she knew.

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<v Speaker 4>Who was me?

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<v Speaker 6>Who did.

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<v Speaker 11>Too?

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<v Speaker 13>To what?

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<v Speaker 6>Captain?

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<v Speaker 9>Hat see you soon never.

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<v Speaker 4>Won album all.

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<v Speaker 1>Gary died a day later. Joseph wrote an article about

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<v Speaker 1>his son and the massacre at Leefung for.

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<v Speaker 7>Journalism goes to mister Joseph Sherman.

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<v Speaker 1>It won him a Pulitzer Prize.

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<v Speaker 15>Thank you, Thank you everyone.

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<v Speaker 5>Obviously I'm not Joseph Sherman, who sadly is unable to

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<v Speaker 5>be with us today, but I am honored to accept

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<v Speaker 5>this award on Joseph's behalf.

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<v Speaker 1>Joseph had not only been unable to make the awards ceremony,

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<v Speaker 1>he had been unable to return to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>at all.

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<v Speaker 15>He had lost his.

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<v Speaker 1>Son and Land, the woman he loved, and a few

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<v Speaker 1>weeks earlier he had received confirmation that his daughter too

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<v Speaker 1>yet had been killed in an American bombing raid on Hanoi.

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<v Speaker 1>He felt his life no longer had any meaning. He

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<v Speaker 1>had no family and no home.

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<v Speaker 15>Keep the change.

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<v Speaker 1>Instead, he traveled to London, and over the next few

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<v Speaker 1>hollow years he became a fixture at the Foreign Correspondence Club,

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<v Speaker 1>a celebrity of some note who rarely spoke of his

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<v Speaker 1>own story.

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<v Speaker 15>May help name me Howell. He had to see Joseph Sherman.

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<v Speaker 15>Is mister Sherman expecting it? I did cool and let

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<v Speaker 15>him know I was coming. Let's see if.

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<v Speaker 6>He's signed you ah, Indeed he has. He's usually at

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<v Speaker 6>the bar in the kindle.

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<v Speaker 15>Room, through here and on the right, Joseph, Oh, so

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<v Speaker 15>good to see you.

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<v Speaker 7>You too, drink, of course the usual on its way,

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<v Speaker 7>Bill Jim Martini for miss how well. Hearing from you

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<v Speaker 7>was an unexpected pleasure.

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<v Speaker 15>It's been a while.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, wow, I wish we saw more of each other.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I'm not a famous Pulletzerprize winning author. I still

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<v Speaker 3>have to work for a living.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, you love it, because if you'll ever stop, you

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<v Speaker 7>die of boredom inside a week.

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<v Speaker 6>They want me to go back to Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all happening now. America's stopped trying the South. Vietnamese

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<v Speaker 3>are exhausted. Communists are steadily taking over everything. Way's fallen.

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<v Speaker 3>The Nang will go next a lat. It's unstoppable.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't realize it was that bad. I don't read

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<v Speaker 7>the news anymore.

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<v Speaker 15>Well, they're trying to sanitize the news for well consumption.

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<v Speaker 15>But the writing is well and truly on the wall.

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<v Speaker 7>I guess it always was.

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<v Speaker 15>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyone who has enough money to leave the country is

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<v Speaker 3>leaving the country.

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<v Speaker 15>When it does fall, there's going to be years of chaos.

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<v Speaker 7>And let me guess you're going back, have to.

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<v Speaker 15>It's the story of the decade.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm glad you took the time to come back and

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<v Speaker 7>say goodbye.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh yeah, well I haven't. I'm not saying goodbye. That's

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<v Speaker 3>not why i'm here.

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<v Speaker 5>What do you mean?

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<v Speaker 15>I'm here because you're coming with.

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<v Speaker 6>Me back to Vietnam?

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<v Speaker 15>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 6>Why would I do that?

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<v Speaker 15>Because it's your life, Joseph.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone you've loved everything, You've loved land too, yet Gary,

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<v Speaker 3>it's all been in Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 7>It's not my story, Naomi, it's theirs.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, we'll see about that. Saigon could fall within a

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<v Speaker 3>week or two, Joseph. It could all be over so soon.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm going back to film the Fall of American power.

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<v Speaker 3>You deserve to be part of that story, because you

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<v Speaker 3>are what was good about America and Vietnam.

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<v Speaker 15>That should also be part of the story.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not today's story, Naomi.

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<v Speaker 7>Really, I'm yesterday's story.

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<v Speaker 3>So what about your granddaughter Trin she'd be what about

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen or seventeen? Now she's still there, Joseph.

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<v Speaker 15>What if she needs you now? What if she needs

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<v Speaker 15>to get out?

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<v Speaker 3>What if she's desperate to get out and can't and

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<v Speaker 3>knows You're her only hope.

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<v Speaker 15>Okay, is that but yesterday's story.

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<v Speaker 7>Even if we knew that was true, which we don't,

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<v Speaker 7>how would I find her.

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<v Speaker 6>I have no idea where she is.

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<v Speaker 7>I haven't heard from her in seven.

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<v Speaker 3>Years, Joseph, look at me. You haven't heard from her,

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<v Speaker 3>but we have what. She's with one of the communist

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<v Speaker 3>platoons heading south towards Psychon.

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<v Speaker 13>She's a soldier.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, she's attached to one of the fighting units, but

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<v Speaker 3>it doesn't sound like she really wants to be a

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<v Speaker 3>few days ago, her platoon was going through a village

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<v Speaker 3>about two hundred miles out of Saigon, and somehow she

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<v Speaker 3>got a message to one of the French war correspondents

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<v Speaker 3>who'd been covering their advance, and he knew someone who

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<v Speaker 3>knew me.

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<v Speaker 15>Take a look.

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<v Speaker 11>Is that her?

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<v Speaker 15>Is that Trin?

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<v Speaker 3>She was desperate to get a message to you. She

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<v Speaker 3>told the frenchman, you're her only chance of getting out

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<v Speaker 3>of this mess. Now are you coming back to Vietnam

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<v Speaker 3>with me?

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<v Speaker 15>Oh?

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<v Speaker 12>My god.

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<v Speaker 5>Srud Saigon is a production of Thoroughbred Studios, gold Hog

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<v Speaker 5>Productions and iHeart Podcasts, starring Kelly, Marie Trann and Rob Benedict.

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<v Speaker 5>Based one of the best selling novel Cygone by Anthony Gray.

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<v Speaker 5>It is created for audio by Greg Hadrick and Jeremy Fox,

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<v Speaker 5>written by Greg Hadrick and directed by John Scott Dryden.

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<v Speaker 5>Original music is by Sasha Putnam, with additional performances by

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<v Speaker 5>nor mgnir and Letty Big Cheer. Editing and sound design

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<v Speaker 5>is by Elouise Whitmore. The series producer is Emma Hern.

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<v Speaker 5>The producer in Vietnam is Fatmung Mihen. The executive producers

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<v Speaker 5>are Jeremy Fox, Greg Hadrick, John Scott Dryden, Howard Stringer

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<v Speaker 5>and Jason English.