1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 3: Karen. Stocks are set for their fifth weekly gain, with 5 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 3: rate cut bets giving traders a lot of hope heading 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 3: into twenty twenty four. Equities are pushing for all time 7 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,160 Speaker 3: highs after J. Powell indicated this week the Fed could 8 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 3: ease monetary policy soon. The S and P is advancing 9 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 3: toward its seventh consecutive weekly advance. Oil is looking at 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 3: its first weekly gain in almost two months. Neil Dutta 11 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 3: of Renaissance Macro Research says the Fed is following a 12 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 3: framework that will allow the US economy to grow. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,240 Speaker 4: The die has been cast for this for a little 14 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,559 Speaker 4: bit of time now, I mean, and that's because inflation 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 4: is slowing more rapidly than they expect. I mean, I 16 00:00:44,200 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: think the Fed is following essentially a rules based framework 17 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 4: where they're taking changes in inflation and the unemployment rate 18 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 4: and translating that into expectations around the federal funds rate. 19 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: And that's basically what's happening. 20 00:00:58,680 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 3: In fact, last month, Neil detis that he expected the 21 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 3: Fed to cut rates by March, so he says he 22 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:04,479 Speaker 3: is not surprised by the. 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:08,479 Speaker 2: Pivot, but Nathan Dudda's expectations were not shared by many 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 2: on Wall streets, such as Peter Sheer, head of Macro's 25 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 2: strategy at Academy Securities. 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 5: Really took me by surprise of how comfortable the power 27 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 5: was with cutting rates. So when I was at four twenty, 28 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,280 Speaker 5: I was getting nervous about risk assets because I thought 29 00:01:22,319 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 5: the only way you have to four percent, given what 30 00:01:24,200 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 5: the FED was saying, is for economic conditions to turn 31 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 5: much worse. They didn't turn much worse, and yet we're 32 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 5: at four percent because of the FED. So I think 33 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 5: we have some room for risk to continue to rally, 34 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:34,559 Speaker 5: and it's been a great run. 35 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: Peter Sheer with Academy Securities also tells Bloomberg, despite hawkish 36 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: stances from the European Central Bank and Bank of England, 37 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 2: he expects more growth outside the US. He specifically focused 38 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: on shine Up. He anticipates further cooperation with the US 39 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 2: and increased stimulus measures, and. 40 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: That's the signal that Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen is sending Karen. 41 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 3: She says she's going to visit China again next year 42 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,600 Speaker 3: with a goal of deepening ties and improving communication with 43 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: the world's second biggest economy. Speaking of the US China 44 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 3: Business Council in Washington, Secretary Yellen said that the discussions 45 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 3: will focus on difficult topics, but she expects cooperation from 46 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 3: both sides. 47 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 6: America's fundamental economic strength means that we have nothing to 48 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:25,320 Speaker 6: fear from healthy economic competition with China or any other country. 49 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 6: The United States does not seek to decouple from China. 50 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 6: This would be damaging to both our economies. 51 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 3: Still, Treasury Secretary Yellen says the US will pursue export 52 00:02:37,400 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 3: controls and investment restrictions that have angered China. She did 53 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 3: stress the need to engage to prevent what she calls 54 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 3: a wide range of diplomatic and financial crises. 55 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: Well as for the latest moves in China, Nathan, the 56 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,840 Speaker 2: People's Bank of China pumped a record amount of cash 57 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:54,320 Speaker 2: into the economy to try to prop up as struggling 58 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: property market and boost de mad It marked a bullish 59 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: signal to investors who have been disappointed in china recent 60 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: piecemeal approaches to stimulus. Meanwhile, stocks across Asia traded higher 61 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 2: on optimism over a FED pivot. 62 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: Now let's turn to a major move in US banking 63 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 3: Karen Bloomberg News has learned City Group is shutting down 64 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 3: its municipal bond business. It is one of the most 65 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: dramatic moves yet in CEO Jane Fraser's ongoing restructuring as 66 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 3: she looks to squeeze better returns out of the Wall 67 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Street Giant. Bloomberg Finance team leader Sally Bakewell says although 68 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 3: the move was expected, it is still a shock. 69 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 7: City was an absolute powerhouse in this four trillion market 70 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 7: for US state and for local debt. It helped on 71 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 7: deals for some very prominent buildings in landmarks, such as 72 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 7: the World Trade Center rebuilding the Port Authority of New 73 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 7: York and New Jersey. It was also one of the 74 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 7: lead underwriters Bloomberg. 75 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: Sally Bakewell says City will complete the wine down by 76 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: the end of the first quarter. Source to say the 77 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,400 Speaker 3: moves expected to effect about one hundred employees and some. 78 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: More news on the labor front this morning, Nathan General 79 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: Motors cutting more than one thousand, three hundred hourly job. 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: Is it a pair of plants in Michigan. It comes 81 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 2: less than a month after GMS he unionized workforce. It 82 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: proved a new labor contract the counts will take effect January. 83 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: First s turned to politics Now Karen and messaging out 84 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 3: of Washington. President Biden continues to urge Israel to be 85 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 3: more cautious in its war with Hamas. Bloomberg z ed 86 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 3: Baxter has the details. 87 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 8: A bit of a change from the message he's delivered 88 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 8: for the last week. NIC spokesman John Kirby says keywords 89 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,799 Speaker 8: are lower intensity. 90 00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 9: Possible transitioning from what we would call high intensity operations, 91 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 9: which is what we're seeing them do now, to lower 92 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 9: intensity operations sometime, you know, in the near future. 93 00:04:37,320 --> 00:04:40,919 Speaker 8: Meaning more surgical operations aimed at a Moss leaders rather 94 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 8: than the current force. Biden says the focus should be 95 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 8: getting Hamas, but also saving civilian lives. I'm at Baxter 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 8: Bloomberg Radio, all right. 97 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,160 Speaker 2: And thanks. Meanwhile, in Europe, Ukraine has taken a win 98 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 2: and a loss at the EU leader summit in Brussels. 99 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 2: The leaders have agreed to open membership talks with Ukraine, 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 2: but they couldn't not agree on a new financial aid package. 101 00:05:02,200 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 2: That debate will extend into early next year. Hungary's Victor 102 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 2: Orbond planned the are blocked the planned fifty billion euro 103 00:05:08,839 --> 00:05:12,239 Speaker 2: package despite support from the twenty six other EU leaders. 104 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 3: The amount of newly committed Western eight for Ukraine has 105 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 3: fallen to its lowest level since Russia's invasion almost two 106 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: years ago. That has Russian President Vladimir Putin expressing renewed 107 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 3: confidence in his war aims at his annual end of 108 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: year news conference. 109 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:31,800 Speaker 10: Coming back to the ghouls, they remain unchanged, I will 110 00:05:31,880 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 10: remind you it means the Nazification, the neutralization all of 111 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 10: Ukraine and its neutral status. 112 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 3: This was President Putin's first end of your news conference 113 00:05:43,240 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: since he ordered the Ukraine invasion in February of last year. 114 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 11: S and P. 115 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 3: Futures are higher by three tens of one percent, up 116 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: thirteen points. Now futures up one hundred and twenty five points, 117 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 3: that's again of a third of one percent, and Nasdaq 118 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 3: futures are about a third of one percent higher as well, 119 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,719 Speaker 3: up fifty three points. Global headlines straight ahead, plus a 120 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 3: check of sports. This is Bloomberg. 121 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 2: Sor Ry Nathan. 122 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 1: Thanks. 123 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: It's time now for a look at some of the 124 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 2: other stories making news around the world, and for that 125 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: we're joined by Bloomberg's John Tucker. John, good morning, and good. 126 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 12: Morning, Karen. 127 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 13: Google Will stop telling police witch users we're near a crime. 128 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 13: That story in this report this morning from Bloomberg's Amy Morris, Google. 129 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,279 Speaker 9: Is changing its maps tools so the company no longer 130 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:30,040 Speaker 9: has access to users individual location histories. It cuts off 131 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 9: its ability to respond to law enforcement warrants that ask 132 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 9: for data on everyone who is in the vicinity of 133 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 9: a crime. The change comes three months after a Bloomberg 134 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 9: BusinessWeek investigation that found police across the US are increasingly 135 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 9: using warrants to obtain location and search data from Google, 136 00:06:46,360 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 9: even for nonviolent cases and even for people who had 137 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 9: nothing to do with the crime. Google will roll out 138 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 9: the changes gradually through the next year on its own 139 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 9: Android and Apple's iOS mobile operating systems. Amy Morris Bloomberg Radio. 140 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 13: President Biden trying to rally support among seniors, highlighting new 141 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 13: government caps and prescription drug prices, saying the effort will 142 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 13: help crack down on price gouging by the pharmaceutical companies. 143 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 14: Year before we pass the cization, drug maker's jacked up 144 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 14: prices nearly four times faster and inflation went on and 145 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 14: they were already too high. Let's call this for what 146 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,360 Speaker 14: it is is, simply, it's a rip off. 147 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 13: Under legislation passed by Democrats, pharmaceutical companies are required to 148 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 13: pay rebates to Medicare when they increase certain drug prices 149 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 13: passed inflation rates into Bloomberg News Morning consult Paul released Thursday, 150 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:39,040 Speaker 13: Biden trailed Donald Trump across a number of swing states. 151 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 13: US defense officials say a cargo ship caught fire in 152 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,040 Speaker 13: the Red Sea this morning into being hit by a 153 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 13: projectile launched by rebel controlled Yimmen. The attack and eyed 154 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 13: Lightberian flag vessel further escalates a campaign by Yemmens, Iran 155 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 13: backed Hooti rebels who claim responsibility for a series of 156 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 13: missile assaults in recent days. A lawyer for two former 157 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 13: election officials told members of a jury and federal court 158 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 13: Thursday they should send a message in considering how much 159 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 13: former Mayor Rudy Juliani should have to pay for spreading 160 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 13: diffamatory lies about them as part of his effort three 161 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 13: years ago to keep President Trump in office. At the 162 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 13: last minute decision, Juliani decided not to testify as planned 163 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 13: on Thursday. Global News twenty four hours a day and 164 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 13: whenever you want it with Bloomberg News. Now, I'm John Tucker, 165 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 13: and this is Bloomberg. 166 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: Karen, all right, John, thank you well. We do bring 167 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 2: you news throughout the day right here on Bloomberg Radio. 168 00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 2: But now you can get the latest news on demand, 169 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: and that means you can get it whenever you want it. 170 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: Subscribe to Bloomberg News Now and you can get the 171 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:45,920 Speaker 2: latest headlines right at the click of a button. Get 172 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 2: informed on your schedule. You can listen and subscribe to 173 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 2: Bloomberg News Now on the Bloomberg Business app, Bloomberg dot 174 00:08:53,160 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 2: com plus Apples, Spotify, and anywhere else you get your podcasts. 175 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 2: Time now for the Bloomberg Scores Update with John Stashauer 176 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 2: John Karon. 177 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 15: Blowout in the Desert. Just a few days after the 178 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 15: Raiders had a home game and lost to the Vikings 179 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 15: three did nothing. They had another home game and beat 180 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 15: the Chargers sixty three to twenty one. This game was 181 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 15: twenty one nothing in the first quarter. It was forty 182 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,400 Speaker 15: two to nothing at halftime. That's a near NFL record. 183 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 15: It was sixty three to seven midway through the fourth quarter. 184 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 15: The Raiders rookie quarterback Adan O'Connell through four touchdown passes. 185 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 15: The Chargers lost four fumbles. It's the most points the 186 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 15: Raiders have ever scored in the game, and it's the 187 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 15: most points the Chargers have ever allowed. Celtics twelve and 188 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 15: I went home. They've be in Cleveland, won sixteen to 189 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:41,959 Speaker 15: one oh seven. Warriors now just ten and fourteen, playing 190 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 15: without the suspended Draymond Green. They lost to the Clippers 191 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 15: in LA. Won twenty one one thirteen. Big NBA story 192 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 15: so far this year the Minnesota Timberwolves now eighteen and 193 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:54,199 Speaker 15: five A one nineteen one oh one win in Dallas. 194 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,080 Speaker 15: Luca Dompson scored thirty nine and the loss. In Sacramento's 195 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 15: win over Oklahoma City the Aaron Fox points for the 196 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 15: King Shay Gilgess Alexander scored forty three the loss the Thunder. 197 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 15: George McGinnis, the Hall of Famer who played for the 198 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 15: Pacers and Sixers, has passed away at the age of 199 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 15: seventy three. Capital Is lost in Philadelphia four to three 200 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 15: in a shootout in LA. On the day that the 201 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 15: Dodgers introduced Joe Otani, they added another player, pitcher Tyler Glass, 202 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 15: now comes from Tampa Bay with outfielder and Manuel Margo. 203 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 15: The Rays get a couple of prospects in return. Remember, 204 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 15: Otani is not going to pitch. He's only going to 205 00:10:30,520 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 15: hit in twenty twenty four. Don Statieward, Bloomberg's courts. 206 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 2: Karen, all right, John, thank you. While we are watching stocks, 207 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 2: they're set for a fifth weekly game this on the 208 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: Fed pivot, and we want to discuss all of this. 209 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: We're going to be bringing in Andrew Sheets, the global 210 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: head of Corporate Credit research Ed Morgan Stanley, for that 211 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: discussion and ahead of EDSMP futures are higher again this morning. 212 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:58,360 Speaker 2: They're up three tenths even percent of about fourteen points. 213 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Dwaen Nasdaq futures all also up three tenths of up percent. 214 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 2: This is Bloomberg. 215 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 11: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 216 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 11: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syria's exam, the Bloomberg 217 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:15,720 Speaker 11: Business Appen Bloomberg dot Com. 218 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:20,600 Speaker 3: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. Good morning. I'm Nathan Hager. There 219 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 3: is plenty of fuel for optimism in the US market, 220 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,839 Speaker 3: with the Federal Reserve signaling this week that it is 221 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 3: in fact ready to start thinking about cutting interest rates 222 00:11:30,640 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 3: next year. 223 00:11:31,800 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 13: But when it. 224 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: Comes to global central banks like the European Central Bank 225 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: and the Bank of England, they're holding firm on higher 226 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 3: for longer. So what's this mean for the outlook headed 227 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 3: into twenty twenty four. Let's get some answers now from 228 00:11:46,120 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 3: Andrew Sheets, global head of corporate credit research at Morgan Stanley. Andrew, 229 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,960 Speaker 3: it's great to speak with you this morning. So what 230 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 3: does a more dovish FED and a more hawkish ECB 231 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: mean in your world? 232 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 12: So? I think the important starting point is that I 233 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 12: think we've seen an evolution of the data that's much 234 00:12:05,200 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 12: better than we or the market would have expected six 235 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 12: months ago. You know, over the last twelve months, the 236 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 12: US economy has grown three percent year every year, and 237 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 12: inflation's been declining. And in Europe you've seen again inflation 238 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 12: really start to moderate in a way that the ECB 239 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 12: a number of central bank watchers would not have expected 240 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 12: six months ago. So I think the important factor, the 241 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 12: most important factor, is that this year has been all 242 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 12: about inflation, and inflation is finally coming down, which gives 243 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,679 Speaker 12: these central banks a lot more flexibility to moderate policy 244 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 12: as that happens. So again, you know, you've seen central 245 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 12: banks react to that a little bit differently, the FED 246 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 12: sounding a little bit more dubvish, the ECB sounding a 247 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 12: little bit more hawkish, But I think the core message 248 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,240 Speaker 12: as you go into next year is these are central 249 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 12: banks that are done hiking. They're going to be cutting, 250 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 12: and the path is going to be easing going forward. 251 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 3: But the path is going to be easing at a 252 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: much different pace. It seems like when we hear this 253 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 3: more hawkish tone from the likes of Madame Legarde, what 254 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 3: could that mean for a global bond markets If we 255 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 3: see higher for longer in the Eurozone and maybe not 256 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 3: so much here in the US. 257 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 12: Well, I think what the market might test is how 258 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 12: credible that more hawkish rhetoric really is. You know, we've 259 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 12: seen a very weak PMI data out today from the Eurozone. 260 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 12: You're seeing inflation in the Eurozone come down quickly, and 261 00:13:28,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 12: on Morgan Stanley's forecast it continues to decline quickly. And 262 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 12: so you know, we can understand from a strategic standpoint, 263 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:39,000 Speaker 12: not wanting to ease up too early on the rhetoric 264 00:13:39,040 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 12: run inflation, wanting to establish the ECB's credibility on inflation. 265 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 12: But as the data continues to come in, as inflation 266 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 12: data continues to fall, as the growth data is soft, 267 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 12: we'd be surprised. We would not expect the ECB to 268 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 12: continue to sound this hawkish into next year, and would 269 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 12: expect them to be to be easing policy in line 270 00:13:57,960 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 12: with the FED into twenty twenty four. 271 00:14:00,360 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 3: Interesting, what about the Fed's credibility? Is there a risk 272 00:14:03,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 3: that the FED pivots back the other way next year? 273 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: Is that something in your forecast? 274 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 12: It's not in our forecast. And I think the point 275 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 12: about credibility is key. You know, credibility is everything in 276 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 12: central banking, and I think to the credit of the FED, 277 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 12: they are talking more dubbishly as core inflation is coming 278 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 12: down on Morgan Stanley's estimates with the latest readings of 279 00:14:26,960 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 12: producer price inflation six month annualized core PCE, and thinking 280 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 12: about core PCE is the measure of inflation that the 281 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 12: FED cares about the most. Over the last six months, 282 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 12: core PCE in the US is running at one point 283 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 12: nine percent. It's at the Fed's target. If anything, it's 284 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,760 Speaker 12: a little below. So the idea that the FED is 285 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 12: reacting to that data, it is and it's not done 286 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 12: anything yet. It's simply talking about the possibility that it 287 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,960 Speaker 12: might ease and the fact that the FED thinks the 288 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 12: neutral rate is way down at two and a half, 289 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 12: two and three quarters. All the FED is doing is saying, look, 290 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 12: we have policy way above neutral. Core inflation is rapidly 291 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,120 Speaker 12: approaching our target. Yes, we will be easing policy next year. 292 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 12: I think that's a credible place for the FED to 293 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 12: operate from. 294 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 3: What about the market credibility of they're pricing in something 295 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 3: like what six or seven rate cuts next year when 296 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 3: we got three from the dot plot? Do you see 297 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: the FED moving more in line with the market or 298 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: the other way around. 299 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,520 Speaker 12: So the market has moved very quickly. I mean, we 300 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 12: had forecasts that we thought were quite dubvish when we 301 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 12: put out our outlook in the middle of in early October, 302 00:15:36,440 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 12: in early November, excuse me, you know we had the 303 00:15:39,000 --> 00:15:41,600 Speaker 12: US tenure at three ninety five. By the end of 304 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 12: twenty twenty four, it's more than gotten there. You know, 305 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 12: we had three hundred basis points of FED cuts over 306 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 12: twenty four and twenty five. Again, a lot of that's 307 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 12: getting priced in. So I think objectively, the market's moved 308 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 12: to price in more cutting than we have expected. But 309 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,200 Speaker 12: I think it's also fair to say that it is 310 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 12: historically normal. Once the FED thinks that a central bank 311 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 12: is done hiking. The market usually expects, usually somewhat overestimates 312 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 12: future cuts as the market's trying to balance the probability 313 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 12: of a FED staying on hold with something more significant, 314 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 12: So a lot has been priced in. But I think 315 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 12: the general idea that the market once a FED, once 316 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,240 Speaker 12: the FED is done, starts pricing in more cuts that 317 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 12: is very consistent with what we've seen over prior cycles. 318 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: Really good to have you on with us, Andrew, at 319 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 3: the end of a really interesting week for central banks. 320 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 3: That's Andrew Sheets with us this morning, Global head of 321 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 3: Corporate Credit Research at Morgan Stanley. 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