Speaker 1: Hi, I'm slum and I know basketball. Today's guest is
Speaker 1: none other than Duke Legend. Depends on how you know him,
Speaker 1: Jason or Jay Williams. His journey from winning a national
Speaker 1: championship in college to being drafted second in an MBA
Speaker 1: draft and watching his jersey get hung up in the
Speaker 1: rafters at Cameron Indoor Stadium is a story you won't
Speaker 1: want to miss, all right, Jay, So I'm seventeen, right,
Speaker 1: and I want to go all the way back to
Speaker 1: when you were seventeen, which I know was I know,
Speaker 1: unfortunately was a really really long time ago.
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're still First off, it
Speaker 2: wasn't that really really long ago.
Speaker 3: Let's say I'm not like in my sixties here.
Speaker 1: True, but it was BC, which is or BL before Lebron, before.
Speaker 3: Labron, before Christ Did you go BC?
Speaker 1: Every gonna say BC, But you know what, I ca'd
Speaker 1: do BL before Lebron. That's the thing now, Oh it's
Speaker 1: my thing, BL before Lebron. I mean, jesus, we got it. Okay,
Speaker 1: So back then, when you were seventeen, so many years ago,
Speaker 1: in high school, you played volleyball, soccer, and chess in
Speaker 1: addition to basketball, I think so many high school kids,
Speaker 1: you know, have to make this big decision what sport
Speaker 1: are you going to play? How did you decide that
Speaker 1: you wanted to focus on basketball?
Speaker 2: I think it didn't really happen unto my junior year,
Speaker 2: which is kind of like shocking because I played everything.
Speaker 3: But also I see kids that specialize.
Speaker 2: In like one individual sport, and I think how much
Speaker 2: that sucks? Ye, right, because I think the amount of
Speaker 2: pressure that you're putting yourself, Like, you know, I'm less
Speaker 2: than point zero zero zero one percent of the world
Speaker 2: that became a pro get alone a top ten pick,
Speaker 2: which is point zero one of that point zero zero
Speaker 2: zero one, Right, So like playing soccer really helped me
Speaker 2: with my like my feet like coordination, right, Like playing
Speaker 2: bolly ball helped me learn how to jump the right way?
Speaker 2: Can I strategy and thinking ahead all the time, which
Speaker 2: is a point guard?
Speaker 3: I always see things ahead? Yeah, you know, like I'm able.
Speaker 2: I even think situations like being like we had dinner
Speaker 2: last night, I'm like, okay, cool, Like player A is
Speaker 2: going to sit here, player C is going to walk in.
Speaker 2: I'm going to position the conversation this way. I want
Speaker 2: to see how she reacts to it. If she reacts
Speaker 2: to it this way, I could play this move. If
Speaker 2: she reacts that way, I need to play that move.
Speaker 2: So I'm constantly it's just spinning and that's chess.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're the smartest person I've ever met.
Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Your dad's pretty smart.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, like Albert, I'm frien smart too, But yeah,
Speaker 1: you got something going there. Okay, So what was your
Speaker 1: favorite team growing up?
Speaker 3: What sport?
Speaker 1: Basketball?
Speaker 2: I was a New Jersey Nets fan that transitioned to
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Nets fan. Unfortunately, Katie's you know, shoe being
Speaker 2: sized sixteen was just a little bit too big for
Speaker 2: us to reach.
Speaker 1: Gloria, My question is, because you are a New Jersey kid,
Speaker 1: were you upset by the transition to Brooklyn or you
Speaker 1: have stuck with them?
Speaker 2: Well, okay, can I just so I literally when Katie
Speaker 2: tore his achilles, I was on the plane with him,
Speaker 2: flying back from literally Toronto back to New York with
Speaker 2: him and Rich Climban, and just remember that moment because.
Speaker 3: Everybody's like, what are you going to do?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 2: And how they had diagnosed him, you know, how they
Speaker 2: told him that really that couldn't really happen, and then
Speaker 2: that did happen, So like I watched him at this
Speaker 2: inflection point, so like just watching Katie then go with
Speaker 2: Kyrie and then nim Land James Harden. You know, actually
Speaker 2: I got a good investment in because before Katie actually committed,
Speaker 2: I bought court side seats out of great price, and
Speaker 2: I inflated that price and I was able to sell
Speaker 2: out tickets.
Speaker 3: But it was just.
Speaker 2: Really cool to actually experience like all those guys and
Speaker 2: like Brooklyn being the thing, like jay Z was at games,
Speaker 2: Joe and Clara Cy We're at games and then we
Speaker 2: just suck, do you?
Speaker 3: I mean, I see a lot of team owners that
Speaker 3: don't go to their team game.
Speaker 1: Bomb does.
Speaker 3: That's Steve though.
Speaker 1: You have to give him credit for that. He's always
Speaker 1: there for sure.
Speaker 3: All right, So in who's your favorite team?
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm Warriors.
Speaker 3: You're Warriors. Have you ever did an interview with Steph Nobody?
Speaker 1: Do you want to?
Speaker 3: We need to make that come on?
Speaker 1: That was my That's my last question. Jay. Here's the
Speaker 1: thing with you being so smart is is that I
Speaker 1: was going to ask you later, like who do you
Speaker 1: want to help me get on my podcast?
Speaker 3: Anybody you want. I mean I think might be better
Speaker 3: than that would or.
Speaker 1: Like a couple's like the two of them with me,
Speaker 1: I know, right, I mean slow nos. I just have
Speaker 1: these thoughts and this is what happens, all right. So
Speaker 1: when you played in the McDonald's All American Game and
Speaker 1: night ninety nine, four other Duke commits played in that game,
Speaker 1: which is pretty special, sort of showing the longevity of
Speaker 1: how Duke has always just dominated high school recruits pretty much.
Speaker 1: I want to know what your highlight from that game was?
Speaker 2: Probably, uh, well, first off, like Carlos Boozer, who is
Speaker 2: a printed All Star with the Utah Jazz play with
Speaker 2: Darren Williams. Uh, you know, he turned him more into
Speaker 2: a power forward, but I do was shooting three from
Speaker 2: half court with me. He was more of a guard
Speaker 2: like t Mac coming out of Juno Alaska, Like how.
Speaker 3: Many players come out of Oska? Seriously?
Speaker 2: And then we have Mike Dunleyvy who's now the GM
Speaker 2: with the Golden State Wars, which is the plug for can.
Speaker 1: You please tell him a trade for zachal Line. I'm
Speaker 1: just bored. We're so bad right now, Zach?
Speaker 3: Is that the answer?
Speaker 1: Though? I think I mean, I think he's more of
Speaker 1: the answer than Jimmy.
Speaker 3: No, I definitely don't want Jimmy on Golden State.
Speaker 1: We make a move, I think it's Zach. Otherwise I'd
Speaker 1: rather just keep our young core and just really pray
Speaker 1: that Jonathan Kaminga decides.
Speaker 3: So you're going to get back to Chicago for Zach,
Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can do.
Speaker 1: It without him. I think it's loone Pods and then
Speaker 1: I think you go Moses Moody and I guess you maybe, oh,
Speaker 1: buddy Heel, and then I guess you maybe. I don't
Speaker 1: think we need that. I mean, Zach Line hasn't been
Speaker 1: that has been an All Star for years, Like he
Speaker 1: doesn't need five players.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 2: I just wonder how Zach fits into like the continuity
Speaker 2: in which they were because they don't. There's yeah, but
Speaker 2: it's not like Wiggs even turns like a catch and
Speaker 2: shoot catch turn driving player Zach like in his hands.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just depends upon how you build a schematically around stuff.
Speaker 1: Let's get Mike on here too, and we'll all have
Speaker 1: this conversation.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So him and case Sanders, I
Speaker 2: think the thing. I I was up in the dunk
Speaker 2: contest after the first round, but I ran out of
Speaker 2: dunks and I literally faked an injury. I said that
Speaker 2: I hurt my wrists so I couldn't dunk.
Speaker 1: Learning experience for kids is it?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you got to get out while you're ahead. Okay,
Speaker 2: That's how I look at Like, It's like I'm competing
Speaker 2: against giants.
Speaker 3: Let's be honest. I'm six to two.
Speaker 2: I'm like Muggsy Bows compared to like Carlos and Mike
Speaker 2: and all these guys. So like, what really do I
Speaker 2: have left?
Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. So what I'm curious about is like when you're.
Speaker 3: Like, that's not a great lesson for kids.
Speaker 1: I got to defend my children up here, Like for
Speaker 1: your kids, you're used to be listening. I'm a kid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm saying, if you're leading and then you
Speaker 2: run out of stuff, it doesn't means that you don't try.
Speaker 2: Just me, it's like, hey, look I'm tapped out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you gotta know thself.
Speaker 1: Yeah. My parents used to get mad at me because,
Speaker 1: like in my math test, if I didn't know a question,
Speaker 1: I would just start sobbing and having a panic attack.
Speaker 1: And I feel like you're basically encouraging me to continue
Speaker 1: to do that on test.
Speaker 3: Wow, that translation is not what I was.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Jay.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we're talking this through.
Speaker 1: Like when I hear you're like an idol to me.
Speaker 1: So when I hear you say, oh, I faked an injury,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I could do that.
Speaker 3: Well. The injury was for a slam dunk contest.
Speaker 2: The injury wasn't for like a game or a math test,
Speaker 2: or it wasn't something like trivial.
Speaker 3: It was like a random.
Speaker 1: Slam mogged me. But you just mogged me. Look it
Speaker 1: up later, he'll figure it out.
Speaker 3: I know you work on that stuff.
Speaker 1: So high school stars today are celebrities. Let's be real there.
Speaker 3: So just tell me what mog means real quick though.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, Well I actually try to explain to
Speaker 1: the other. So MOG is like when you just okay,
Speaker 1: let me. So MOG is like, like, I'm it's when
Speaker 1: you're better than someone else's something. So let's say you
Speaker 1: said or I say, for instance, oh I met Buddy
Speaker 1: healed yesterday. I took a picture of him, and you're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I met Michael Jordan, you just mogged me.
Speaker 3: You want it? Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: So now let's go back to my question. It's really
Speaker 1: getting me off. That's twins always. Okay, So high school
Speaker 1: stars are celebrities, they're social media stars. Someone then get
Speaker 1: a little carried away. Let's take Mike Williams as an example.
Speaker 1: We thought that we were going to see him in
Speaker 1: the NBA. Now he's still in college at now his
Speaker 1: second school, because he was basically had the platform of
Speaker 1: an MBA star since he was fifteen. I want to
Speaker 1: know what your thoughts are about that sort of new
Speaker 1: role that social media plays in high school basketball kids' lives,
Speaker 1: and also what you think your high school experience would
Speaker 1: have been like if you had had that start of them.
Speaker 2: As the question, when you get done with your podcast
Speaker 2: and then you post the podcast, what's the first thing
Speaker 2: you look at to measure whether that particular post was
Speaker 2: successful in like, yeah, right, Fame is one hell of
Speaker 2: a drug.
Speaker 3: Is addictive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And the problem is the more fame and attention
Speaker 2: you get, the more that kind of starts to fill
Speaker 2: in things within your ego. And I wonder for a
Speaker 2: guy like Mikey or for anybody like how young people
Speaker 2: deal with that, right, Like you gotta imagine like my
Speaker 2: motorcycle accident, Like you know how many times that people
Speaker 2: who disagree with what I say about basketball. So I
Speaker 2: could be like, hey, look, Steph Curry is the greater
Speaker 2: shooter of all time, but I think Steph Curry is
Speaker 2: better at penn down screens, kind off pen down screens
Speaker 2: instead of flair screens, something as trivial or tiny as that.
Speaker 3: Right, if people disagree to me, like you're stupid.
Speaker 2: You know in basketball, you probably hit your head too
Speaker 2: hard in that motorcycle accident. Or sometimes when I said, hey,
Speaker 2: look for North Carolina, they're fragmented right now, they're not
Speaker 2: playing together. I think they lack leadership. Well do you
Speaker 2: know about leadership? You should have died in your moscycle accident.
Speaker 2: People say that kind of vicious stuff. So I think
Speaker 2: there's a mental toughness that it takes for young people
Speaker 2: to learn that all these people that have opinions on
Speaker 2: their lives really don't know who the hell they are, right,
Speaker 2: I think that takes a lot of people around you
Speaker 2: to make sure that you are, you know, barriered from
Speaker 2: that stupidity. But also if you're going to the metrics
Speaker 2: of likes to determine whether your things are successful or not.
Speaker 3: You're gonna look at that. So I think it's a
Speaker 3: challenge for any young person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. You just have to ignore it, put it aside,
Speaker 1: and just grind.
Speaker 3: None of those people are actually the ones that come
Speaker 3: up to you, right, the people that say, oh, Jay,
Speaker 3: you should have killed yourself.
Speaker 2: In most when I see them, like Jay, I love you,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh cool. Yeah, so you just don't want
Speaker 2: to say it to my face totally, all right.
Speaker 1: So Also, when you were in high school, I know
Speaker 1: that one of your nicknames was Jadab yep, and you
Speaker 1: know there's Jadab now on the Thunder. I'm curious, do
Speaker 1: you think that he's done a good job carrying on
Speaker 1: your nickname.
Speaker 2: I think he's exceeded my nickname. I don't think I've
Speaker 2: ever been recognized as Jadub. I think people now more
Speaker 2: so call me j will true. And then there was
Speaker 2: that whole thing, like you know, when I'm here, they
Speaker 2: still call me Jason because my name is Jason. But
Speaker 2: when I leave these confines they call me ja because
Speaker 2: one guy like shot his chauffeur.
Speaker 3: The other guy had.
Speaker 2: Like, you know, white boy tattooing his knuckles, even though
Speaker 2: I think honestly he was the real Jason Williams Sacramento.
Speaker 2: He was probably the realest.
Speaker 3: One there was. Yeah, suppressing, but it's honest.
Speaker 1: I love your honesty. That's a good lesson to teach kids.
Speaker 1: You're honest.
Speaker 3: I'm glad we're tying that background.
Speaker 1: Look at that. I always do. So you would offers
Speaker 1: from Florida State, San Diego State. What about Duke made
Speaker 1: you choose the Blue Devils?
Speaker 2: Actually I had offers too, from like a Notre Dame
Speaker 2: Yale in Georgetown, and.
Speaker 1: You're an academic, so that means something new.
Speaker 3: This this dude got me here, Like it's I played
Speaker 3: for the greatest coach of all time. Now, whether you
Speaker 3: want to debate that between him and John Wooden.
Speaker 1: It's fine. I don't want a debate.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me tell you what he did.
Speaker 2: I think it's really interesting when you mean an adult,
Speaker 2: does an adult call you slum slum?
Speaker 3: Okay? So when I came in to meet coach K,
Speaker 3: I said, I sit in his room.
Speaker 2: My mom and my dad and my parents are sitting
Speaker 2: in these two small chairs next to me, and I'm
Speaker 2: sitting like in a fold up chair like this, and
Speaker 2: Coach k sitting like in a grandfather chair and he goes, hey, David, Hey, Althia,
Speaker 2: my parents first name is nice to meet you, and
Speaker 2: he goes to like, mister Williams. Like so automatically he
Speaker 2: started a dress. I'm sixteen, He's addressing me as an adult.
Speaker 2: It was the first time I felt automatically accountable with
Speaker 2: just somebody addressing me totally. And he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: calling you by like your surname because that's how I
Speaker 2: need you to act here.
Speaker 3: Wow, I need you to act like an adult. I'm
Speaker 3: going to treat you like an adult.
Speaker 2: So I think just the way he made me think
Speaker 2: about the game, the way he made me see the game,
Speaker 2: and the way he spoke to me, honestly was different
Speaker 2: than any other person who's spoken to me in my life.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I hear that. And especially as a kid who
Speaker 1: I try to put myself in mature adult rooms, it
Speaker 1: really is true. Like when an adult treats you like
Speaker 1: you are mature, it really means so much.
Speaker 3: What's the first thing you.
Speaker 2: Do when you go into a room full of adults
Speaker 2: who are powerful introduce myself?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just watch and it's from coach. I watch mannerisms.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I see who's outgoing, who's not outgoing, who's a
Speaker 2: little bit more reclusive. I always go more towards a
Speaker 2: person who feels a little bit more reclusive. So I
Speaker 2: think people who actually take a quick survey instead of.
Speaker 3: Just hey i'm here. Yeah, it's always interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, first scan and then yeah, I'm going to take
Speaker 1: that advice. So when you committed to Duke in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 1: so did Carlos Boozer, like you said, you played with
Speaker 1: him the McDonald's All American Game. Did him coming here
Speaker 1: have anything to do with you choosing the school? Were
Speaker 1: you excited to team up with him?
Speaker 3: I mean, how about this?
Speaker 2: So my sophomore year, my junior year, when I leave
Speaker 2: because I graduate school year early, I was a second pick.
Speaker 2: Mike Dunlevy was a third pick. Carlos Boozer was like
Speaker 2: in the mid thirties, but he turned out to be
Speaker 2: a Preennial All Star.
Speaker 1: Crazy. He was the second rounder.
Speaker 2: Chris Douhan played fifteen years in the NBA. Dante Jones
Speaker 2: played ten years in the NBA. We just had a
Speaker 2: crazy squad, like we were loaded with talents.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like I wasn't trying to come to
Speaker 3: a program like I'm going to be as a savior.
Speaker 3: Everybody follow me.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I came to Duke thinking I wasn't going to start.
Speaker 2: I thought William Avery was going to be here. So
Speaker 2: I was like, how do I my home Intalit was like,
Speaker 2: how do I take this starting spot from him?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And then he left and then it's like I was
Speaker 2: given the ball and the rest of his history.
Speaker 1: If your Duke squad mashed up against today twenty five, really.
Speaker 3: Smack them, Cooper's not many points, is Coop Cooper is
Speaker 3: not going to do anything agase Shane Batty.
Speaker 2: Shane Batty was six eight two time National Defensive Player
Speaker 2: of the Year Swiss Arma n I can defend that.
Speaker 2: I mean he was Shane Batty won a World championship
Speaker 2: with Lebron and d Wade from Miami and made critical
Speaker 2: plays down the stretch. So like, I think this Duke
Speaker 2: team is super special, but I.
Speaker 3: Think we had we were older too, though, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, we were more mature. Cooper's a child
Speaker 3: like Cooper special, I think as a freshman, right, But
Speaker 3: I also think our team like we were sophomores and seniors,
Speaker 3: different than having you know, four freshmen and malawatching. These
Speaker 3: guys are great, but they're not experienced, which is in
Speaker 3: a different We're in a different level.
Speaker 1: Huh totally. And also I mean in college. Well, now
Speaker 1: one and done is the goal. Like I've interviewed so
Speaker 1: many guys who I've I've learned now that because at
Speaker 1: the beginning I always thought, oh, like, if you're good,
Speaker 1: you're gonna go one and done. But now I'm starting
Speaker 1: to understand that sometimes that extra year is the make
Speaker 1: or break and that's what leads you to being successful
Speaker 1: in the which I think is really interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think so.
Speaker 2: I mean this is a basketball pole, which I love.
Speaker 2: Kind of you're ready to geek out in basketball? Okay,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on game on this. So why
Speaker 2: would it be beneficial for somebody to leave school early
Speaker 2: with the way the league is actually organized right now?
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this is I didn't think this is going
Speaker 1: to be like school.
Speaker 3: No, it's not school is see, you gotta stop it
Speaker 3: with school. This is adults having a real conversation about
Speaker 3: sport that we both love.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the money I mean, there's.
Speaker 3: What what about the money? Are the are the contracts
Speaker 3: that huge?
Speaker 1: They can be? But it's also okay, well it's different
Speaker 1: now because of nil I guess, but if we call
Speaker 1: this five years ago, it wasn't just the money, it
Speaker 1: was also the endorsements. I think it's the facilities. Not
Speaker 1: every kid is going to a school like Duke that
Speaker 1: has NBA level facilities. A lot of people need coaches
Speaker 1: and facilities and gyms and doctors that are NBA level.
Speaker 2: I think that's a really good answer. I also will
Speaker 2: say it's because of a salary cap. So the salary
Speaker 2: cap is like an internship. Yeah, so like the NBA
Speaker 2: game is so much different than the college game, So
Speaker 2: why wouldn't you want to get out as soon as
Speaker 2: possible at a younger age to get to your next contract.
Speaker 3: Essentially, you're going to learn. They're going to pay you
Speaker 3: to learn for three years.
Speaker 2: Until you get your bigger contract, right, which is typically
Speaker 2: like then it's like the rookie max if you're able
Speaker 2: to get that. But before the salary cap, kids were
Speaker 2: actually incentivized because when we have like big Dog Glenn Robinson,
Speaker 2: they were signing five year seventy eighty.
Speaker 3: Million dollar deals out of college.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, So it's just a different thing. So, like
Speaker 2: my thing is, it's all about how quickly can you start?
Speaker 2: Now with nil, you have a little bit more leeway
Speaker 2: because if you can make two or three million dollars
Speaker 2: in college, like, but still it stops you from getting
Speaker 2: to your next contract sooner. Which how many contracts are
Speaker 2: you trying to get in the lifespan of your playing career?
Speaker 1: Not that many. So my next question is, let's say
Speaker 1: we're just going to be a random person that we're
Speaker 1: making up in our heads. But it's a four star recruit,
Speaker 1: right okay, and he has an offer from a stacked
Speaker 1: Kentucky team, or he can go play at Xavier that's
Speaker 1: a decent like mid major team right now, right, which
Speaker 1: team does he choose?
Speaker 3: What's my offer? Oh?
Speaker 1: Well, we're not talking about money. We're just talking about that.
Speaker 3: We got to talk about money. I mean, that's the
Speaker 3: only way I'm going to go to school now, that's
Speaker 3: what school is going to be. Y, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's seven million a year.
Speaker 1: So then you choose. If Xavier is giving you seven million,
Speaker 1: then you go there.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it depends upon your family and what
Speaker 2: your family needs.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, let's also be honest about.
Speaker 1: It, Like you don't think it's playing time has to
Speaker 1: do it that it's just money.
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I'm sure playing time. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of factors. It's just not money. Right.
Speaker 2: But Like, if I come from a broken home, or
Speaker 2: if I come from a single parent home where my
Speaker 2: mom is working three jobs to support me, my brother
Speaker 2: and my sister, I'm probably going to go take the deal.
Speaker 3: That's going to give me. We need that, right.
Speaker 2: Whereas I come from a dual parenting home and I
Speaker 2: stable background, I'm going to be able to look at
Speaker 2: the marketplace and say, you know what, maybe I'll.
Speaker 3: Take a couple of million dollars less.
Speaker 2: But also I can use that mark by BYU to
Speaker 2: didn't leverage my situation currently and say, well, they're going
Speaker 2: to pay me this, what other incentives.
Speaker 3: Could you throw on to help me get closer to
Speaker 3: my mark? Right? But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: I want to play with talent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so if nil existed when you were making your decision,
Speaker 1: you would have chosen anywhere.
Speaker 3: That would I did.
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no way
Speaker 2: in hell, I'm two time national player to year, I'm
Speaker 2: not here my sophomore year. Yeah, my sophomore year I
Speaker 2: went through so much stuff I got challenged by like
Speaker 2: I call him the mental Jedi mind.
Speaker 3: Trick master of the world. Oh God, Like.
Speaker 2: You know, like if you talk about like Star Wars,
Speaker 2: like the Force, like coach k has a fource home, like.
Speaker 3: There would be times he like, you were horrible today.
Speaker 2: Here's a disc for you to go home and watch
Speaker 2: of your thirty worst.
Speaker 3: Possessions, And now I have to watch it.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I want you to come back in
Speaker 2: tomorrow and tell me how you fix all thirty of
Speaker 2: these possessions. And I'll be like, oh my goodness, Okay.
Speaker 2: So like my freshman year, that learning curve. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I would have the same patience in today's world.
Speaker 2: Like I was fourteen right in six and a half,
Speaker 2: but I was getting beat up. So if I you know,
Speaker 2: in today's world, I'm like, hold on, if I'm getting
Speaker 2: paid nine dred thousand dollars to be here and you're
Speaker 2: beating me up, and I don't feel like we have
Speaker 2: a really good report, which I don't feel like we
Speaker 2: did as much freshman year, I would have taken two
Speaker 2: x three x going somewhere else. Yeah, but I couldn't
Speaker 2: do that. I was forced to fight through it with
Speaker 2: this guy and then the rest of care of.
Speaker 1: It is amazing. Also considering it's rare for coach k
Speaker 1: to really start freshman. Knowing you started all thirty four
Speaker 1: games your freshman year, that must have meant something.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I also put on the freshman thirty five, like,
Speaker 2: not freshman ten, freshman like thirty.
Speaker 3: I put on thirty five pounds everything.
Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it's the best food in Durham.
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was barbecue. Yeah, every night
Speaker 3: it was bad. It was corn bread, it was grits.
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds amazing.
Speaker 3: It is amazing, but not when you're playing basketball. You're
Speaker 3: running three NonStop.
Speaker 2: I mean I also live a Carls boozer and he
Speaker 2: put another freshman thirty five.
Speaker 1: But that's not really fair. I mean he's a giant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I'm a giant, but I'm
Speaker 3: just like a tiny person. People.
Speaker 1: I'm five four, so you're a giant to me. Thank you,
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I wanted to give you that.
Speaker 3: I can always kind of eat.
Speaker 1: Yes you can, so, Jason, you'll see why I did that. Jason,
Speaker 1: how did you transition to Jay?
Speaker 3: I never did.
Speaker 1: Really, it wasn't your choice.
Speaker 3: No, it just happened.
Speaker 2: No, I was getting drafted, and there was an article
Speaker 2: that broke in the New York Times that said I
Speaker 2: was changing my name from Jason.
Speaker 1: To Jay because I read that you made the decision.
Speaker 1: But no, it was just all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: were Jet.
Speaker 2: No, we tried to find who the mole was because
Speaker 2: we were tinkering around with that idea. But somebody definitely
Speaker 2: in my camp.
Speaker 1: What's wrong with Jason?
Speaker 3: There was nothing wrong with Jason.
Speaker 2: But there was, like I said before, team right, Well, no,
Speaker 2: there was Jason Williams who shot his chauffeur and had
Speaker 2: to go to jail. But also not only that, he
Speaker 2: got caught outside of a hotel.
Speaker 3: And got tasered. There's a lot of things that were
Speaker 3: going on. There's a lot of conflation in the market place.
Speaker 3: It seems that way about Jason. So and then there,
Speaker 3: like I said before, there was white chocolate. Who was
Speaker 3: the real Jason? Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So in your rookie season, you had twenty
Speaker 1: six points fourteen rebounds and thirteen assists in a game
Speaker 1: against the Nets, which are your hometown team. Insane. Can
Speaker 1: you take me back to that night and what was
Speaker 1: going through your head?
Speaker 3: Well, we used to run this offense called the triangle okay,
Speaker 3: which have you ever heard of the triangle offense? Can't
Speaker 3: say okay?
Speaker 2: So the triangle was like the offense of Michael Jordan,
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson. Those team won championships with right,
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan was getting scoring titles for his first
Speaker 2: several years until they drafted Scotti, pipp and Jerry Krause.
Speaker 2: But the offense actually created continuity. So also it's offense
Speaker 2: that Kobe and Shaq won championships. Right, It's built for
Speaker 2: incredible wings and biggs. It's not built for guards that
Speaker 2: play fast like Steph.
Speaker 3: Curry or d Rose. I want to involve you in
Speaker 3: a lot of picking rolls.
Speaker 2: So literally, we were running that offense every possession, which
Speaker 2: sucked for me because the ball was out of my hands.
Speaker 2: So that game against the Nets was the first time
Speaker 2: I kind of got a little bit rebellious and said
Speaker 2: screw it, Yeah.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to run your offense. I'm just gonna play.
Speaker 3: It worked and I had driple level. So it was
Speaker 3: the best one win in my career really. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: it was against Jason Kidd. Yes, and Jason Kidd is
Speaker 3: just Jason Kidd a beast. Yeah, it was Jason Kidd.
Speaker 3: It was Vince Carter. Richard Jefferson, who I just beat
Speaker 3: a national championship the.
Speaker 1: Year before, Sloan Nose alum Richard Jefferson.
Speaker 3: There you go. Have you done the interview with r J?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was one of my first guests.
Speaker 3: He's spicy, spicy yeaheah.
Speaker 1: You know I can actually ask this. I told him.
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much for doing it,
Speaker 1: to pay you for being on my podcast. Do you
Speaker 1: like some of my hair? I said that, damn, And
Speaker 1: I feel like you may want some too because I
Speaker 1: have a lot. No.
Speaker 2: I feel very secure being oh you being I do. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I've been bolved before I started losing hair a long time.
Speaker 1: Do you think it benefits a basketball game being bald
Speaker 1: because there's not as much to carry on your hand.
Speaker 2: I just it benefits me. I can still do a
Speaker 2: lot of things, like when I come out of pool,
Speaker 2: I still throw it back. Really Okay, I still do
Speaker 2: all the natural emotions as if I had.
Speaker 1: What happens then just water like slides off.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a smooth effect.
Speaker 2: I mean in my younger days, before I was married,
Speaker 2: I had had an interesting effect.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure interesting. You can look and you can
Speaker 1: use your head as like a mirror. Actually, I've been
Speaker 1: sort of distracted while we were talking. Is I really
Speaker 1: like looking at myself? And while we were talking, I
Speaker 1: keep like looking.
Speaker 3: I'm glad I can provide that for so much.
Speaker 1: Just wow, that's great giving each other a lot. Okay,
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the current NBA. I want to
Speaker 1: hear who's your favorite current NBA player right now?
Speaker 3: Shay same so much.
Speaker 1: So much?
Speaker 3: Yeah I do. I am also starting to love Amen Thompson.
Speaker 1: I believe it pronounce a men. I had to go
Speaker 1: into the microphones. Everyone could hear that I was correcting
Speaker 1: Jay Williams.
Speaker 3: No, that's right.
Speaker 2: You can I call him say this is where you
Speaker 2: should asked me a foo up question.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jay and I have spoken about this before
Speaker 1: for everyone to hear. He's also going to be my
Speaker 1: new mentor and teacher, so this is also going to
Speaker 1: be a learning person.
Speaker 3: With no stop.
Speaker 2: I call him amen, because I really think, like you know,
Speaker 2: when you go to church and you're like, you're like
Speaker 2: when something comes a car, like a man man, and
Speaker 2: that's what you see with him. Like, I know, I've
Speaker 2: known the twins since they're actually sit on the board
Speaker 2: of you know, a high school basketball league called Overtime,
Speaker 2: So I've seen I've seen them for a very long time, and.
Speaker 3: I just think that his game is.
Speaker 2: I love watching Houston, Like, I just think they're different,
Speaker 2: they're young, they're fun. So of course you got like
Speaker 2: Lebron and Janice and you know, like Steph and all these.
Speaker 3: Other guys, and I love Shay, but like, I don't know, Amen, Amen.
Speaker 1: I saw a quote today from Jalen Green that said
Speaker 1: that once a man really gets his jump shot down,
Speaker 1: like it's over and I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Problematic for people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's so young too. I think there was
Speaker 1: a man in the Star War to the youngest from
Speaker 1: their draft class, so they have so much more time
Speaker 1: to grow into.
Speaker 2: The start and something about like, you know, you're doing
Speaker 2: an interview with a lot of incredibly powerful people that
Speaker 2: do your job right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you start feeling comfortable in the room. You're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I belong in this room too.
Speaker 1: And when he gets there, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's when it's scary.
Speaker 1: It's cool to see that with rookies. I feel like
Speaker 1: sometimes you can see that switch when they really sort
Speaker 1: of like you're talking about, when you decided to rebel
Speaker 1: against your team's plan. You can see that sometimes with
Speaker 1: a rookie where they're like, oh no, like I get
Speaker 1: this now, like I'm I'm here, I belong here, and
Speaker 1: that really changes their games.
Speaker 2: You got to stress test things, right, You got to
Speaker 2: see how far you can take it before you got
Speaker 2: to keep edging and pushing boundaries.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Who is the most underrated player in
Speaker 1: the NBA currently?
Speaker 2: I would probably I would probably go for the person
Speaker 2: that you work with in the podcast, and I've had
Speaker 2: some pretty I would love to sit down and talk
Speaker 2: with Dre because I really respect Dre. I think sometimes
Speaker 2: Dre gets in his own way. I think Dre also,
Speaker 2: if he were to be reflective, he would say that, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he is a dog of a competitor and I'm
Speaker 2: built the same way. Like there's sometimes I get lost
Speaker 2: in the emotion of things because I'm so in it. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: But like he is a floor leader.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: It's really incredible to watch, and I think people always
Speaker 2: get caught up in all the shenanigans, but they don't
Speaker 2: see all the details at the level he's able to execute.
Speaker 2: I think he's the most underrated player in the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that you said that. I mean, because
Speaker 1: that's who if someone were to ask me the question,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would say. And this may be
Speaker 1: a bold statement, but I don't believe that there would
Speaker 1: be a Warrior's dynasty.
Speaker 3: But I agree with you.
Speaker 1: People don't understand how Seph Curry is not Steph Curry
Speaker 1: without Draymond Green. Katie's Warriors years are not Katie's Warriors
Speaker 1: years without Draymond. Clay is not Clay without Draymond. He
Speaker 1: is the heart of the team. He is the heart
Speaker 1: and soul. And sure there's been instances where he hasn't,
Speaker 1: but nine percent of the time he really lifts his
Speaker 1: whole team up in a way that is rare.
Speaker 3: But also like he's he's a savant, right, Like I
Speaker 3: tell you, I geek out like on basketball terminology, like
Speaker 3: watching him talk about from Okay, here comes to Iris
Speaker 3: can cut, you can flaiscan cut like slip it. Like
Speaker 3: he sees things before they.
Speaker 2: Happen, and he makes reads and then he can actually
Speaker 2: verbalize to people what they should be doing.
Speaker 3: Like that does not happen like Lebron can do that.
Speaker 3: Steph doesn't really do that, right, Dre does that for staff.
Speaker 1: I mean he's low key a point guard, which is.
Speaker 2: Why I think Dre loves Bron because there aren't people
Speaker 2: that actually see the game that people can geek out to. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like Russell Westbrook sees the game, but he's more of
Speaker 2: a rereact.
Speaker 1: And it happens, right, Dreymond sees it before, sees it
Speaker 1: before it happens. Could you see Draymond becoming a coach easily?
Speaker 3: I can see Draymond becoming the next head coach in
Speaker 3: Michigan State.
Speaker 2: Wow, that was actually think he would be perfect for
Speaker 2: something like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, no, I see that. Yeah, the grit, that's
Speaker 1: definitely Dre's vibe. Okay, next up, who do you think
Speaker 1: was the biggest twenty five All Star snub? LaMelo Tree, Young,
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, just to list a few.
Speaker 2: I mean, Trey is always going to be that person
Speaker 2: for me to a degree because it's.
Speaker 3: Just a situation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's an unfortunate but it's like he always
Speaker 2: gets discounted, even though I think he puts up numbers,
Speaker 2: but it doesn't.
Speaker 3: Translate yeah as much.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell you though, Like I would say,
Speaker 2: that's my biggest nump.
Speaker 3: I'm really happy that Tyler made it.
Speaker 1: Tyler Herro, Yeah, that's a cool one, like.
Speaker 2: Because he his game has always been that. But there's
Speaker 2: all like the Jimmy Butler saga that just exactly overshadows
Speaker 2: how good Tyler is. So those are probably I've seen.
Speaker 1: Tyler play in person two games this season, and he
Speaker 1: is a sniper, Like he is a catch and shoot demon,
Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen someone catching and shoot like that
Speaker 1: since Clay On, like Clay's prime. He's amazing, And I agree,
Speaker 1: like there's you get caught up in that a lot
Speaker 1: of the time. People don't realize that there's more to
Speaker 1: a team than just their superstar. And I feel like
Speaker 1: there's so many players like that that are now getting
Speaker 1: their shots. So that's cool to see.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 2: And also I think Eric Sposer is probably one of
Speaker 2: the best coaches, if not the best coach in the league.
Speaker 3: So it's like the.
Speaker 2: Combination of like how he's been able to like unleash. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's a real thing. Like people like, oh, like Jay,
Speaker 2: you're a top pick, you should just go into the
Speaker 2: NBA and question I'm like, well, actually, my head coach
Speaker 2: doesn't give me a vehicle for me to crush it
Speaker 2: with their offense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because someone needs to give you that opportunity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and player development and how people break you into
Speaker 3: that is everything totally.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jay, can you give me your duke all
Speaker 1: time starting five? I know you've answered this question so
Speaker 1: many times, but I need to hear it now on
Speaker 1: slow notes.
Speaker 3: All right, So who this is tough?
Speaker 1: Also, feel free to name guys that you want to
Speaker 1: come off the bench for. Very inclusive.
Speaker 3: So this is like a top eight okay, Okay, So
Speaker 3: like one file up question is this, like who I
Speaker 3: want to go into battle with? Or like, who are
Speaker 3: the all time greatest that I would.
Speaker 1: Associating all time greats?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you gotta start off with Christian Layner? Of course,
Speaker 2: I think lad is there. I would say, I would.
Speaker 1: You can obviously put yourself.
Speaker 2: Grant Hill Grant Hills there, mm hmm. I'm gonna put
Speaker 2: me in there. I'm gonna go jj just because I
Speaker 2: think we we talk a lot of tracks to each other.
Speaker 3: But I would just love to be in the same backward.
Speaker 3: This is a tough one. This is this is really
Speaker 3: this is tough. I'd probably go maybe Jason Tatum. Wow
Speaker 3: mm hmmm, go Jason Tatum, and I would have Paolo,
Speaker 3: I would have Kyrie, and I would have Coop.
Speaker 1: Come off the bench knowing that, I mean, he's as
Speaker 1: Newton finished his rookie year and you're already putting him there.
Speaker 1: That's saying something.
Speaker 3: I think that's special. Now, let's talk about some of
Speaker 3: the players I made it from right.
Speaker 4: Zion.
Speaker 2: I love Zion, but like you know, like his career,
Speaker 2: that's my dude's durability.
Speaker 3: I need that. Who else I leave off? Jabari Parker,
Speaker 3: Danny Ferry. I'm okay.
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with you as well.
Speaker 3: I think we're I think we're.
Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because there's so many guys that if
Speaker 1: there's so many times that we could have had this
Speaker 1: conversation where we would have thought there was a like
Speaker 1: take a Jalil Okafort like five years ago his college year,
Speaker 1: we would be saying like, oh, we think he was
Speaker 1: going to be in that conversation really doesn't happen. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. I mean, Justice Windle.
Speaker 1: There's people that you think when they're here, do I
Speaker 1: think that you think that, oh, they're going to be
Speaker 1: in that conversation and it just doesn't translate.
Speaker 2: I don't think people recognize like like when you when
Speaker 2: you're a freshman, right, like the one that had done arra
Speaker 2: is interesting, Like I'll tell you that the biggest difference
Speaker 2: in my freshman sophomore, Like my freshman year, nobody really
Speaker 2: saw me coming. Yeah, right, So like I then became
Speaker 2: the person on the skatal report. But like I game momentue,
Speaker 2: like when you're come back as that player to then
Speaker 2: like exceed expectations when defenses are specifically outlining their scattering
Speaker 2: report just to specifically stop you. There's another level to it, right,
Speaker 2: So like when I'm able to watch Grant like build
Speaker 2: on that, when I'm able to watch JJ build on that,
Speaker 2: Like for me my sophomore year be a national playerer,
Speaker 2: win a championship, come back and having a different junior
Speaker 2: year like knowing that if you stop me, probability of
Speaker 2: you winning your game is higher, right, but still it
Speaker 2: was hard for people to stop me because I play
Speaker 2: with other studs.
Speaker 3: So what factor that into it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's interesting for sure. Okay, So who is
Speaker 1: an underrated all time duke player that you don't think
Speaker 1: it's a lot of love. People don't talk about a lot.
Speaker 3: I'll say Shane Mattier.
Speaker 2: I think it's just because I think Shane did all
Speaker 2: the dirty things defensively that nobody ever really sees nor
Speaker 2: do people care. Like, we're going to highlight driven society,
Speaker 2: so like when you wake up in the morning you
Speaker 2: want to watch hoops, Like you go to your phone,
Speaker 2: You're going to all the different highlights of games that happen.
Speaker 2: Like they don't show the strips, they don't show the
Speaker 2: rotations in the week's ig. They know sort of communication
Speaker 2: on the back end of the defense. They don't say, hey,
Speaker 2: slip on the screen or like echoing this Gotter report.
Speaker 1: There's so many That's.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying though, And that's why JJ and Lebron's
Speaker 2: podcast was so dope. Right, Like when you're actually sitting
Speaker 2: down and you're hearing all the specific terminology, all the
Speaker 2: tactical maneuvers like and how that's being executed while you're
Speaker 2: running five and a half miles, like in a twelve
Speaker 2: minute quarter, maybe to become ten minute quarters.
Speaker 3: We'll see soon. Like that's not easy to.
Speaker 1: Do, No, it is all right. So lastly, I want
Speaker 1: to end with two fun sections. So first we're gonna
Speaker 1: go with a rapid fire, and then we're gonna do
Speaker 1: some j Williams trivia and we're gonna see how well
Speaker 1: you know yourself. So starting off with the rapid fire.
Speaker 1: Other than Cameron, what is your favorite college basketball arena?
Speaker 2: Oh, Dean Smith Center. I used to light their asses up,
Speaker 2: so you like it? Just because I feel like I
Speaker 2: just went off into a different place.
Speaker 3: I feel like I just cursed.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: It's like the Kobe Mama thing just happened. I'm sorry
Speaker 2: if I curse, and I'm not allowed to curse.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry setting up except for the children. J gosh,
Speaker 1: the children. Yeah, we'll believe it. We'll bleep it. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we'll put like a nice little like unicorn, sound.
Speaker 2: Like put like like me and the Kobe is like
Speaker 2: all right?
Speaker 1: In five years, who will be the face of the league?
Speaker 1: And why.
Speaker 3: Five years?
Speaker 2: Who is the face of the league and why I
Speaker 2: it's toughness.
Speaker 3: Not I mean it's gonna be Wimby.
Speaker 2: I mean I have a I have a media company
Speaker 2: slash management company with Giannis, And like I watched them
Speaker 2: battle the other night.
Speaker 1: That was crazy, and.
Speaker 2: Like they're not too many people on this planet where
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, like their size, their length is gonna
Speaker 2: give g A a problem.
Speaker 3: That dude gives g A a problem.
Speaker 1: Did you see that one highlight where like Wemby is
Speaker 1: sort of in the corner and he's like spitting around
Speaker 1: and he just sort of like throws throws it up.
Speaker 3: And it's like what it's what?
Speaker 2: And look like you got to imagine for me too,
Speaker 2: Like I am specifically jaded by people like this, Like
Speaker 2: my sophomo year, I could leave score earlier. Andone's like, hey,
Speaker 2: you're gonna be the first pick in the draft. The
Speaker 2: Washington Wizards are the first pick in the draft. Michael Jordan.
Speaker 2: You and Jordan the same team. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 2: this is so incredible.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: Coach k is like, look, I think you need to
Speaker 2: come back to school, be the first player to graduate
Speaker 2: Duke in three years, and you.
Speaker 3: Need to learn how to lead a team.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'll come back, and I come back.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna be the first pick in the draft.
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, guy's like, here comes a
Speaker 2: seven six Chinese person, you know, and it's gonna be
Speaker 2: voted into All Star every year. I'm like, come on, really,
Speaker 2: out of all the years, that's like the fact that
Speaker 2: this dude is like seven six seven seven, but can shoot.
Speaker 3: Threes and can move like that. Come on, come on, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's over. He's gonna be the face.
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. What is the best sports city in the country,
Speaker 1: overall sports city.
Speaker 2: Overall sports cittery, I mean, football kind of rules for me,
Speaker 2: so like if they three p it has to be
Speaker 2: Kansas City. Yeah, just and this is football just drives
Speaker 2: so many numbers. And I think if we're getting into
Speaker 2: the conversation about like Tom Brady's the goat, and I
Speaker 2: know Tom and him I talk about, but if this
Speaker 2: dude wins three in a row, he's just the greatest
Speaker 2: ever and he's still so young, So like, I guess
Speaker 2: you would you would be able to like delineate the
Speaker 2: greatest sports city in the world, Like all sports but
Speaker 2: knowing how much football dominates, I don't think you're gonna
Speaker 2: find a better city for sports in Kansas City right now.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I hate to say it, but it's
Speaker 1: now brought in so many different fandoms, Like take Taylor
Speaker 1: switch On fandom. Now everyone is a Chiefs fan.
Speaker 2: So you think Travis Kelsey will continue to be as
Speaker 2: popular if they break up?
Speaker 1: Okay, well, if he goes into like a like a
Speaker 1: little revenge area and she starts writing like breakup songs
Speaker 1: and he starts like going off and like in the
Speaker 1: end zone doing some like celebrations, I actually think that
Speaker 1: would be cool.
Speaker 3: It depends on how they It depends on how.
Speaker 1: They it was just like a mutual like, oh, we
Speaker 1: love each other so much, we just are in different
Speaker 1: places in life, like and then that's like a SOB story.
Speaker 1: But if it's like they're both trying to like be
Speaker 1: like vengeful, I think that that's sort of a vibe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, not the self yeah, vengeful vibe.
Speaker 1: Okay, Jay, what is your favorite podcast? There's a pretty
Speaker 1: obvious answer here.
Speaker 3: I mean it's slow, no, yeah, okay, I mean like
Speaker 3: I mean I I kind of geek outs and be
Speaker 3: like Malcolm Gladwell and other things so that sort.
Speaker 1: But like, let's just forget about.
Speaker 3: Like basketball podcasts. It's only you.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't even know there was other basketball podcasts.
Speaker 1: I know, I'd never heard of that. I didn't know
Speaker 1: there was other podcasts. I thought it was the first ever.
Speaker 3: Well you're not only the first, your first and only?
Speaker 1: Yeah, first and only. Okay, great, I'm glad.
Speaker 3: We should be the name of the podcast, the.
Speaker 1: First and only ever an eternity podcast.
Speaker 3: And then no, I wouldn't even call it a podcasts simulcast.
Speaker 1: It's time, yes, okay, but we should call it b
Speaker 1: l before Lebron. I don't know this al this is
Speaker 1: after Lebron.
Speaker 3: Is after Lebron. Already he's still playing.
Speaker 1: Well I know, but like he's forty now, it doesn't count.
Speaker 1: Oh no, d during Lebron during Lebron.
Speaker 3: THEO has different meanings as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sorry, I let's let's.
Speaker 2: Come back and readdress something like this post forty thing.
Speaker 2: We gotta and we're gonna be brothers just so we
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta work on this, okay, Like forty is
Speaker 2: the new thirty.
Speaker 1: Oh cool? So wait, so then seventeen is the new
Speaker 1: Does that mean sent to the new ten?
Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way when you're below twenty and
Speaker 3: you're just start getting a yeah. But you're entering like
Speaker 3: the Taylor Swift full woman stage of life. You're you're
Speaker 3: you're coming into that.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. So when you like, you just become
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, I'm confused.
Speaker 3: No, No, you will.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you become Taylor Swift of the podcast industry.
Speaker 2: And see how I did that? How are you going
Speaker 2: to continue to make the podcast happen when you're here
Speaker 2: at Duke.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, love this foreshadowing, Jay, Thank you so much. Well,
Speaker 1: I think that we can do. First off, we then
Speaker 1: that means we can talk to each other even more.
Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to be a
Speaker 3: part owner of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, I can help you.
Speaker 3: I can talk to team about that.
Speaker 1: You can talk to Draymond, you know. But no, I
Speaker 1: think like what would be really cool and my goal
Speaker 1: and my hope is is that Duke has such an
Speaker 1: incredible sports culture and that I'm able to really continue
Speaker 1: to show that to the world and interview athletes from
Speaker 1: various incredible programs. I mean, there aren't many schools out
Speaker 1: there that really excel in every single sport like Duke does.
Speaker 1: And I want to show that. And I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: when the Boozer Twins are here, if Nick Komena, who
Speaker 1: I've already interviewed, you know what I mean starting five
Speaker 1: for Duke, Yes, we do. I mean that's going to.
Speaker 3: Be a little bit more history and homework he does
Speaker 3: due diligence.
Speaker 1: But if you know, the recruiting classes keep looking like
Speaker 1: this and John Shire keeps just killing it with the
Speaker 1: five stars, I mean, this is going to be a
Speaker 1: pretty fire podcast.
Speaker 3: I got you.
Speaker 2: I'm also thinking outside just to Duke Lane, I'm thinking
Speaker 2: about like the national landscape, like if you're going to
Speaker 2: become the Oprah for sports entertainment, like we need to
Speaker 2: start focusing on a larger cast of a net.
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I'm so excited. So that leads me
Speaker 1: into my final question, Jay, if I want to nominate it, sorry,
Speaker 1: if you could nominate a slow nose guest, who would
Speaker 1: it be? And can you help me get the guest?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that needs to be Stepaniis.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that that would be like my goals.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they would I also think it's really
Speaker 2: cool to see when you hit a certain level of celebrity,
Speaker 2: like the new celebrity will become anonymity, right, Like everybody
Speaker 2: wants to showcase everything now, and the more you learn
Speaker 2: how to start being discreet, it will give you more
Speaker 2: power in the marketplace.
Speaker 1: Otherwise known as nonchalant.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, no, no, I think.
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, I don't mean to call you an
Speaker 1: older person, but you're older than me, so I didn't
Speaker 1: that as an older than me person. I feel like
Speaker 1: older than me people don't fully get the meaning of
Speaker 1: nonchalant because my definition of nonchalant is like how you're
Speaker 1: explaining it, like I'm still like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like you just have to be discreet, like not let
Speaker 1: people know your every move, but still come out. And
Speaker 1: when you come out, you're powerful, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I can do some charity working give
Speaker 1: an older than me person some explanation. I taught you
Speaker 1: mogging nonchalant.
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of knew what a nonchalant meant. No, No,
Speaker 2: I feel like mumb cavalarry is pretty extensive.
Speaker 1: It is actually like half the words you said, I
Speaker 1: had no idea what you meant, But I just pretended
Speaker 1: like I did. Oh that's the improm Do you think
Speaker 1: I'm a good actor?
Speaker 3: That's what that's I do?
Speaker 1: Thank you, because I was acting. I had no idea
Speaker 1: half the words you were saying.
Speaker 3: You ready want to play a game? Oh, let's play
Speaker 3: a level up game.
Speaker 2: I say a word, you give me another word that
Speaker 2: comes off that word, and we keep going into somebody
Speaker 2: messes up?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 3: You ready? Okay? Okay? Chair?
Speaker 1: Table stand?
Speaker 3: How does chair work with table?
Speaker 1: Well? You wait? Okay, can you re explain the rules? No?
Speaker 3: I just want to see where you go next?
Speaker 1: How does chair work with table?
Speaker 3: Okay? That's another one.
Speaker 2: Every word I say, you have to build off of
Speaker 2: that word, all right, So we're gonna build off it.
Speaker 3: We're going to create a story.
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, So I'll say a word, then you give
Speaker 2: me a story off that word real quick, and then
Speaker 2: I'll give you another story off your story.
Speaker 3: We'll keep going. You ready, chair.
Speaker 1: Would chopping wood, timber, chopping wood in.
Speaker 4: Its fall, building a cabin, sleeping in the cabin, fireplace
Speaker 4: in the cabin, roasting marshmallows, camping, Shazowsky, Bill Duke.
Speaker 3: See how we go see everything. Yeah, that's how we go.
Speaker 3: That's how we am.
Speaker 1: Go. Blue Devils baby bye everyone. Thanks for listening to
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