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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm slum and I know basketball. Today's guest is

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Speaker 1: none other than Duke Legend. Depends on how you know him,

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Speaker 1: Jason or Jay Williams. His journey from winning a national

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Speaker 1: championship in college to being drafted second in an MBA

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Speaker 1: draft and watching his jersey get hung up in the

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Speaker 1: rafters at Cameron Indoor Stadium is a story you won't

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Speaker 1: want to miss, all right, Jay, So I'm seventeen, right,

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Speaker 1: and I want to go all the way back to

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Speaker 1: when you were seventeen, which I know was I know,

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Speaker 1: unfortunately was a really really long time ago.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're still First off, it

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Speaker 2: wasn't that really really long ago.

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Speaker 3: Let's say I'm not like in my sixties here.

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Speaker 1: True, but it was BC, which is or BL before Lebron, before.

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Speaker 3: Labron, before Christ Did you go BC?

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Speaker 1: Every gonna say BC, But you know what, I ca'd

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Speaker 1: do BL before Lebron. That's the thing now, Oh it's

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Speaker 1: my thing, BL before Lebron. I mean, jesus, we got it. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So back then, when you were seventeen, so many years ago,

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Speaker 1: in high school, you played volleyball, soccer, and chess in

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Speaker 1: addition to basketball, I think so many high school kids,

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Speaker 1: you know, have to make this big decision what sport

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Speaker 1: are you going to play? How did you decide that

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Speaker 1: you wanted to focus on basketball?

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Speaker 2: I think it didn't really happen unto my junior year,

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Speaker 2: which is kind of like shocking because I played everything.

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Speaker 3: But also I see kids that specialize.

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Speaker 2: In like one individual sport, and I think how much

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Speaker 2: that sucks? Ye, right, because I think the amount of

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Speaker 2: pressure that you're putting yourself, Like, you know, I'm less

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Speaker 2: than point zero zero zero one percent of the world

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Speaker 2: that became a pro get alone a top ten pick,

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Speaker 2: which is point zero one of that point zero zero

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Speaker 2: zero one, Right, So like playing soccer really helped me

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Speaker 2: with my like my feet like coordination, right, Like playing

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Speaker 2: bolly ball helped me learn how to jump the right way?

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Speaker 2: Can I strategy and thinking ahead all the time, which

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Speaker 2: is a point guard?

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Speaker 3: I always see things ahead? Yeah, you know, like I'm able.

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Speaker 2: I even think situations like being like we had dinner

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Speaker 2: last night, I'm like, okay, cool, Like player A is

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Speaker 2: going to sit here, player C is going to walk in.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to position the conversation this way. I want

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Speaker 2: to see how she reacts to it. If she reacts

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Speaker 2: to it this way, I could play this move. If

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Speaker 2: she reacts that way, I need to play that move.

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Speaker 2: So I'm constantly it's just spinning and that's chess.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think you're the smartest person I've ever met.

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Speaker 3: I don't know about that. Your dad's pretty smart.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, like Albert, I'm frien smart too, But yeah,

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Speaker 1: you got something going there. Okay, So what was your

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Speaker 1: favorite team growing up?

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Speaker 3: What sport?

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Speaker 1: Basketball?

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Speaker 2: I was a New Jersey Nets fan that transitioned to

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Speaker 2: the Brooklyn Nets fan. Unfortunately, Katie's you know, shoe being

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Speaker 2: sized sixteen was just a little bit too big for

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Speaker 1: Gloria, My question is, because you are a New Jersey kid,

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Speaker 1: were you upset by the transition to Brooklyn or you

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Speaker 1: have stuck with them?

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Speaker 2: Well, okay, can I just so I literally when Katie

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Speaker 2: tore his achilles, I was on the plane with him,

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Speaker 2: flying back from literally Toronto back to New York with

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Speaker 2: him and Rich Climban, and just remember that moment because.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's like, what are you going to do?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: And how they had diagnosed him, you know, how they

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Speaker 2: told him that really that couldn't really happen, and then

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Speaker 2: that did happen, So like I watched him at this

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Speaker 2: inflection point, so like just watching Katie then go with

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Speaker 2: Kyrie and then nim Land James Harden. You know, actually

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Speaker 2: I got a good investment in because before Katie actually committed,

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Speaker 2: I bought court side seats out of great price, and

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Speaker 3: But it was just.

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Speaker 2: Really cool to actually experience like all those guys and

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Speaker 2: like Brooklyn being the thing, like jay Z was at games,

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Speaker 2: Joe and Clara Cy We're at games and then we

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Speaker 2: just suck, do you?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I see a lot of team owners that

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Speaker 3: don't go to their team game.

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Speaker 1: Bomb does.

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Speaker 3: That's Steve though.

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Speaker 1: You have to give him credit for that. He's always

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Speaker 1: there for sure.

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Speaker 3: All right, So in who's your favorite team?

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Speaker 1: By the way, I'm Warriors.

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Speaker 3: You're Warriors. Have you ever did an interview with Steph Nobody?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to?

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Speaker 3: We need to make that come on?

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Speaker 1: That was my That's my last question. Jay. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing with you being so smart is is that I

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Speaker 1: was going to ask you later, like who do you

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Speaker 1: want to help me get on my podcast?

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Speaker 3: Anybody you want. I mean I think might be better

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Speaker 3: than that would or.

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Speaker 1: Like a couple's like the two of them with me,

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Speaker 1: I know, right, I mean slow nos. I just have

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Speaker 1: these thoughts and this is what happens, all right. So

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Speaker 1: when you played in the McDonald's All American Game and

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Speaker 1: night ninety nine, four other Duke commits played in that game,

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Speaker 1: which is pretty special, sort of showing the longevity of

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Speaker 1: how Duke has always just dominated high school recruits pretty much.

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Speaker 1: I want to know what your highlight from that game was?

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Speaker 2: Probably, uh, well, first off, like Carlos Boozer, who is

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Speaker 2: a printed All Star with the Utah Jazz play with

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Speaker 2: Darren Williams. Uh, you know, he turned him more into

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Speaker 2: a power forward, but I do was shooting three from

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Speaker 2: half court with me. He was more of a guard

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Speaker 2: like t Mac coming out of Juno Alaska, Like how.

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Speaker 3: Many players come out of Oska? Seriously?

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Speaker 2: And then we have Mike Dunleyvy who's now the GM

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Speaker 2: with the Golden State Wars, which is the plug for can.

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Speaker 1: You please tell him a trade for zachal Line. I'm

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Speaker 1: just bored. We're so bad right now, Zach?

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Speaker 3: Is that the answer?

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Speaker 1: Though? I think I mean, I think he's more of

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Speaker 1: the answer than Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: No, I definitely don't want Jimmy on Golden State.

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Speaker 1: We make a move, I think it's Zach. Otherwise I'd

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Speaker 1: rather just keep our young core and just really pray

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Speaker 1: that Jonathan Kaminga decides.

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Speaker 3: So you're going to get back to Chicago for Zach,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think you can do.

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Speaker 1: It without him. I think it's loone Pods and then

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Speaker 1: I think you go Moses Moody and I guess you maybe, oh,

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Speaker 1: buddy Heel, and then I guess you maybe. I don't

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Speaker 1: think we need that. I mean, Zach Line hasn't been

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Speaker 1: that has been an All Star for years, Like he

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Speaker 1: doesn't need five players.

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Speaker 3: I love that.

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Speaker 2: I just wonder how Zach fits into like the continuity

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Speaker 2: in which they were because they don't. There's yeah, but

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Speaker 2: it's not like Wiggs even turns like a catch and

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Speaker 2: shoot catch turn driving player Zach like in his hands.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It just depends upon how you build a schematically around stuff.

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Speaker 1: Let's get Mike on here too, and we'll all have

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Speaker 1: this conversation.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. So him and case Sanders, I

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Speaker 2: think the thing. I I was up in the dunk

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Speaker 2: contest after the first round, but I ran out of

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Speaker 2: dunks and I literally faked an injury. I said that

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Speaker 2: I hurt my wrists so I couldn't dunk.

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Speaker 1: Learning experience for kids is it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean you got to get out while you're ahead. Okay,

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Speaker 2: That's how I look at Like, It's like I'm competing

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Speaker 3: Let's be honest. I'm six to two.

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Speaker 2: I'm like Muggsy Bows compared to like Carlos and Mike

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Speaker 1: Okay, gotcha. So what I'm curious about is like when you're.

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Speaker 3: Like, that's not a great lesson for kids.

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Speaker 1: I got to defend my children up here, Like for

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Speaker 1: your kids, you're used to be listening. I'm a kid.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what I'm saying, if you're leading and then you

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Speaker 2: run out of stuff, it doesn't means that you don't try.

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Speaker 2: Just me, it's like, hey, look I'm tapped out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: you gotta know thself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. My parents used to get mad at me because,

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Speaker 1: like in my math test, if I didn't know a question,

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Speaker 1: I would just start sobbing and having a panic attack.

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Speaker 1: And I feel like you're basically encouraging me to continue

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Speaker 1: to do that on test.

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Speaker 3: Wow, that translation is not what I was.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Jay.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad we're talking this through.

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Speaker 1: Like when I hear you're like an idol to me.

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Speaker 1: So when I hear you say, oh, I faked an injury,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, I could do that.

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Speaker 3: Well. The injury was for a slam dunk contest.

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Speaker 2: The injury wasn't for like a game or a math test,

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Speaker 3: It was like a random.

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Speaker 1: Slam mogged me. But you just mogged me. Look it

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Speaker 3: I know you work on that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So high school stars today are celebrities. Let's be real there.

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Speaker 3: So just tell me what mog means real quick though.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, Well I actually try to explain to

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Speaker 1: the other. So MOG is like when you just okay,

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Speaker 1: let me. So MOG is like, like, I'm it's when

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Speaker 1: you're better than someone else's something. So let's say you

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Speaker 1: said or I say, for instance, oh I met Buddy

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Speaker 1: I met Michael Jordan, you just mogged me.

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Speaker 3: You want it? Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So now let's go back to my question. It's really

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Speaker 1: getting me off. That's twins always. Okay, So high school

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Speaker 1: stars are celebrities, they're social media stars. Someone then get

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Speaker 1: a little carried away. Let's take Mike Williams as an example.

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Speaker 1: We thought that we were going to see him in

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Speaker 1: the NBA. Now he's still in college at now his

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Speaker 1: an MBA star since he was fifteen. I want to

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Speaker 1: know what your thoughts are about that sort of new

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Speaker 1: role that social media plays in high school basketball kids' lives,

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Speaker 1: and also what you think your high school experience would

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Speaker 1: have been like if you had had that start of them.

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Speaker 2: As the question, when you get done with your podcast

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Speaker 2: and then you post the podcast, what's the first thing

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Speaker 2: you look at to measure whether that particular post was

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Speaker 2: successful in like, yeah, right, Fame is one hell of

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Speaker 2: a drug.

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Speaker 3: Is addictive.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And the problem is the more fame and attention

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Speaker 2: you get, the more that kind of starts to fill

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Speaker 2: in things within your ego. And I wonder for a

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Speaker 2: guy like Mikey or for anybody like how young people

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Speaker 2: deal with that, right, Like you gotta imagine like my

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Speaker 2: motorcycle accident, Like you know how many times that people

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Speaker 2: who disagree with what I say about basketball. So I

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Speaker 2: could be like, hey, look, Steph Curry is the greater

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Speaker 2: shooter of all time, but I think Steph Curry is

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Speaker 2: better at penn down screens, kind off pen down screens

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Speaker 2: instead of flair screens, something as trivial or tiny as that.

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Speaker 3: Right, if people disagree to me, like you're stupid.

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Speaker 3: One there was. Yeah, suppressing, but it's honest.

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Speaker 3: What's the first thing you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just watch and it's from coach. I watch mannerisms.

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Speaker 3: Just hey i'm here. Yeah, it's always interesting.

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Speaker 1: that advice. So when you committed to Duke in nineteen ninety,

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Speaker 3: So yeah, it's like I wasn't trying to come to

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Speaker 3: Everybody follow me.

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Speaker 2: I came to Duke thinking I wasn't going to start.

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Speaker 1: If your Duke squad mashed up against today twenty five, really.

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Speaker 3: Smack them, Cooper's not many points, is Coop Cooper is

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Speaker 1: Huh totally. And also I mean in college. Well, now

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think so.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna put you on game on this. So why

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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, this is I didn't think this is going

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Speaker 3: No, it's not school is see, you gotta stop it

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Speaker 1: Well, I think the money I mean, there's.

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Speaker 3: Essentially, you're going to learn. They're going to pay you

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Speaker 1: Well, we're not talking about money. We're just talking about that.

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Speaker 3: We got to talk about money. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: That's going to give me. We need that, right.

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Speaker 2: Whereas I come from a dual parenting home and I

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Speaker 3: Take a couple of million dollars less.

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Speaker 2: But also I can use that mark by BYU to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so if nil existed when you were making your decision,

441
00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,000
Speaker 1: you would have chosen anywhere.

442
00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:06,960
Speaker 3: That would I did.

443
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:08,760
Speaker 2: But I'm gonna tell you right now, there's no way

444
00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:10,880
Speaker 2: in hell, I'm two time national player to year, I'm

445
00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,040
Speaker 2: not here my sophomore year. Yeah, my sophomore year I

446
00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:17,199
Speaker 2: went through so much stuff I got challenged by like

447
00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:19,640
Speaker 2: I call him the mental Jedi mind.

448
00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,680
Speaker 3: Trick master of the world. Oh God, Like.

449
00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:24,159
Speaker 2: You know, like if you talk about like Star Wars,

450
00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,880
Speaker 2: like the Force, like coach k has a fource home, like.

451
00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,320
Speaker 3: There would be times he like, you were horrible today.

452
00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,240
Speaker 2: Here's a disc for you to go home and watch

453
00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:33,960
Speaker 2: of your thirty worst.

454
00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,639
Speaker 3: Possessions, And now I have to watch it.

455
00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:36,800
Speaker 2: And he's like, I want you to come back in

456
00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:38,919
Speaker 2: tomorrow and tell me how you fix all thirty of

457
00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,600
Speaker 2: these possessions. And I'll be like, oh my goodness, Okay.

458
00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,320
Speaker 2: So like my freshman year, that learning curve. I don't

459
00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:46,480
Speaker 2: know if I would have the same patience in today's world.

460
00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,080
Speaker 2: Like I was fourteen right in six and a half,

461
00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:52,520
Speaker 2: but I was getting beat up. So if I you know,

462
00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,400
Speaker 2: in today's world, I'm like, hold on, if I'm getting

463
00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,400
Speaker 2: paid nine dred thousand dollars to be here and you're

464
00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,000
Speaker 2: beating me up, and I don't feel like we have

465
00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,480
Speaker 2: a really good report, which I don't feel like we

466
00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:01,560
Speaker 2: did as much freshman year, I would have taken two

467
00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,160
Speaker 2: x three x going somewhere else. Yeah, but I couldn't

468
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,679
Speaker 2: do that. I was forced to fight through it with

469
00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:08,760
Speaker 2: this guy and then the rest of care of.

470
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Speaker 1: It is amazing. Also considering it's rare for coach k

471
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:14,440
Speaker 1: to really start freshman. Knowing you started all thirty four

472
00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,480
Speaker 1: games your freshman year, that must have meant something.

473
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

474
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Speaker 2: I mean I also put on the freshman thirty five, like,

475
00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:22,680
Speaker 2: not freshman ten, freshman like thirty.

476
00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,480
Speaker 3: I put on thirty five pounds everything.

477
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Speaker 1: Oh, I mean it's the best food in Durham.

478
00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:29,600
Speaker 3: I mean it was. It was barbecue. Yeah, every night

479
00:18:30,119 --> 00:18:32,879
Speaker 3: it was bad. It was corn bread, it was grits.

480
00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:33,920
Speaker 1: Well, that sounds amazing.

481
00:18:34,240 --> 00:18:36,399
Speaker 3: It is amazing, but not when you're playing basketball. You're

482
00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:39,040
Speaker 3: running three NonStop.

483
00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,200
Speaker 2: I mean I also live a Carls boozer and he

484
00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:42,680
Speaker 2: put another freshman thirty five.

485
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Speaker 1: But that's not really fair. I mean he's a giant.

486
00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I'm a giant, but I'm

487
00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,280
Speaker 3: just like a tiny person. People.

488
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Speaker 1: I'm five four, so you're a giant to me. Thank you,

489
00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:52,040
Speaker 1: You're welcome. I wanted to give you that.

490
00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:54,840
Speaker 3: I can always kind of eat.

491
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Speaker 1: Yes you can, so, Jason, you'll see why I did that. Jason,

492
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Speaker 1: how did you transition to Jay?

493
00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:02,440
Speaker 3: I never did.

494
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:04,480
Speaker 1: Really, it wasn't your choice.

495
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:05,520
Speaker 3: No, it just happened.

496
00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:07,840
Speaker 2: No, I was getting drafted, and there was an article

497
00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 2: that broke in the New York Times that said I

498
00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:10,800
Speaker 2: was changing my name from Jason.

499
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Speaker 1: To Jay because I read that you made the decision.

500
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Speaker 1: But no, it was just all of a sudden, you

501
00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,280
Speaker 1: were Jet.

502
00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,960
Speaker 2: No, we tried to find who the mole was because

503
00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,480
Speaker 2: we were tinkering around with that idea. But somebody definitely

504
00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 2: in my camp.

505
00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,360
Speaker 1: What's wrong with Jason?

506
00:19:22,760 --> 00:19:23,760
Speaker 3: There was nothing wrong with Jason.

507
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,080
Speaker 2: But there was, like I said before, team right, Well, no,

508
00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,560
Speaker 2: there was Jason Williams who shot his chauffeur and had

509
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:31,359
Speaker 2: to go to jail. But also not only that, he

510
00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 2: got caught outside of a hotel.

511
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,040
Speaker 3: And got tasered. There's a lot of things that were

512
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:37,520
Speaker 3: going on. There's a lot of conflation in the market place.

513
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: It seems that way about Jason. So and then there,

514
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,159
Speaker 3: like I said before, there was white chocolate. Who was

515
00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:42,760
Speaker 3: the real Jason? Yes?

516
00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,879
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, So in your rookie season, you had twenty

517
00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,240
Speaker 1: six points fourteen rebounds and thirteen assists in a game

518
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Speaker 1: against the Nets, which are your hometown team. Insane. Can

519
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:52,879
Speaker 1: you take me back to that night and what was

520
00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 1: going through your head?

521
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 3: Well, we used to run this offense called the triangle okay,

522
00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,720
Speaker 3: which have you ever heard of the triangle offense? Can't

523
00:19:58,720 --> 00:19:59,359
Speaker 3: say okay?

524
00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,480
Speaker 2: So the triangle was like the offense of Michael Jordan,

525
00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,320
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen, and Phil Jackson. Those team won championships with right,

526
00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 2: like Michael Jordan was getting scoring titles for his first

527
00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 2: several years until they drafted Scotti, pipp and Jerry Krause.

528
00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:13,679
Speaker 2: But the offense actually created continuity. So also it's offense

529
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,080
Speaker 2: that Kobe and Shaq won championships. Right, It's built for

530
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,679
Speaker 2: incredible wings and biggs. It's not built for guards that

531
00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:21,960
Speaker 2: play fast like Steph.

532
00:20:21,800 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 3: Curry or d Rose. I want to involve you in

533
00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:24,680
Speaker 3: a lot of picking rolls.

534
00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:27,880
Speaker 2: So literally, we were running that offense every possession, which

535
00:20:27,920 --> 00:20:30,199
Speaker 2: sucked for me because the ball was out of my hands.

536
00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 2: So that game against the Nets was the first time

537
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,320
Speaker 2: I kind of got a little bit rebellious and said

538
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Speaker 2: screw it, Yeah.

539
00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 3: I'm not going to run your offense. I'm just gonna play.

540
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,399
Speaker 3: It worked and I had driple level. So it was

541
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Speaker 3: the best one win in my career really. Yeah, because

542
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Speaker 3: it was against Jason Kidd. Yes, and Jason Kidd is

543
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Speaker 3: just Jason Kidd a beast. Yeah, it was Jason Kidd.

544
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Speaker 3: It was Vince Carter. Richard Jefferson, who I just beat

545
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Speaker 3: a national championship the.

546
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Speaker 1: Year before, Sloan Nose alum Richard Jefferson.

547
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Speaker 3: There you go. Have you done the interview with r J?

548
00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he was one of my first guests.

549
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Speaker 3: He's spicy, spicy yeaheah.

550
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:02,879
Speaker 1: You know I can actually ask this. I told him.

551
00:21:02,920 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: I was like, thank you so much for doing it,

552
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:07,240
Speaker 1: to pay you for being on my podcast. Do you

553
00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:08,679
Speaker 1: like some of my hair? I said that, damn, And

554
00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,439
Speaker 1: I feel like you may want some too because I

555
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,199
Speaker 1: have a lot. No.

556
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Speaker 2: I feel very secure being oh you being I do. Yeah,

557
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: I've been bolved before I started losing hair a long time.

558
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Speaker 1: Do you think it benefits a basketball game being bald

559
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Speaker 1: because there's not as much to carry on your hand.

560
00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,560
Speaker 2: I just it benefits me. I can still do a

561
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 2: lot of things, like when I come out of pool,

562
00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,600
Speaker 2: I still throw it back. Really Okay, I still do

563
00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:27,439
Speaker 2: all the natural emotions as if I had.

564
00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: What happens then just water like slides off.

565
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:31,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a smooth effect.

566
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Speaker 2: I mean in my younger days, before I was married,

567
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:35,479
Speaker 2: I had had an interesting effect.

568
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure interesting. You can look and you can

569
00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:39,639
Speaker 1: use your head as like a mirror. Actually, I've been

570
00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 1: sort of distracted while we were talking. Is I really

571
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,560
Speaker 1: like looking at myself? And while we were talking, I

572
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:44,120
Speaker 1: keep like looking.

573
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Speaker 3: I'm glad I can provide that for so much.

574
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Speaker 1: Just wow, that's great giving each other a lot. Okay,

575
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 1: so let's talk about the current NBA. I want to

576
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:53,840
Speaker 1: hear who's your favorite current NBA player right now?

577
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,640
Speaker 3: Shay same so much.

578
00:21:58,920 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: So much?

579
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:05,200
Speaker 3: Yeah I do. I am also starting to love Amen Thompson.

580
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Speaker 1: I believe it pronounce a men. I had to go

581
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,879
Speaker 1: into the microphones. Everyone could hear that I was correcting

582
00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:12,479
Speaker 1: Jay Williams.

583
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:13,479
Speaker 3: No, that's right.

584
00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 2: You can I call him say this is where you

585
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,280
Speaker 2: should asked me a foo up question.

586
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jay and I have spoken about this before

587
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 1: for everyone to hear. He's also going to be my

588
00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,080
Speaker 1: new mentor and teacher, so this is also going to

589
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Speaker 1: be a learning person.

590
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 3: With no stop.

591
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Speaker 2: I call him amen, because I really think, like you know,

592
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: when you go to church and you're like, you're like

593
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 2: when something comes a car, like a man man, and

594
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: that's what you see with him. Like, I know, I've

595
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: known the twins since they're actually sit on the board

596
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,000
Speaker 2: of you know, a high school basketball league called Overtime,

597
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 2: So I've seen I've seen them for a very long time, and.

598
00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 3: I just think that his game is.

599
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,240
Speaker 2: I love watching Houston, Like, I just think they're different,

600
00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 2: they're young, they're fun. So of course you got like

601
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 2: Lebron and Janice and you know, like Steph and all these.

602
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: Other guys, and I love Shay, but like, I don't know, Amen, Amen.

603
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,560
Speaker 1: I saw a quote today from Jalen Green that said

604
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 1: that once a man really gets his jump shot down,

605
00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: like it's over and I'm excited.

606
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Speaker 3: Problematic for people.

607
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's so young too. I think there was

608
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Speaker 1: a man in the Star War to the youngest from

609
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: their draft class, so they have so much more time

610
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 1: to grow into.

611
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 2: The start and something about like, you know, you're doing

612
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 2: an interview with a lot of incredibly powerful people that

613
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Speaker 2: do your job right.

614
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you start feeling comfortable in the room. You're like, oh,

615
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: I belong in this room too.

616
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Speaker 1: And when he gets there, that's what I'm saying.

617
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 3: That's when it's scary.

618
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Speaker 1: It's cool to see that with rookies. I feel like

619
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: sometimes you can see that switch when they really sort

620
00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:35,880
Speaker 1: of like you're talking about, when you decided to rebel

621
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Speaker 1: against your team's plan. You can see that sometimes with

622
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Speaker 1: a rookie where they're like, oh no, like I get

623
00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,400
Speaker 1: this now, like I'm I'm here, I belong here, and

624
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: that really changes their games.

625
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,440
Speaker 2: You got to stress test things, right, You got to

626
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 2: see how far you can take it before you got

627
00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 2: to keep edging and pushing boundaries.

628
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right. Who is the most underrated player in

629
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Speaker 1: the NBA currently?

630
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 2: I would probably I would probably go for the person

631
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,440
Speaker 2: that you work with in the podcast, and I've had

632
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,040
Speaker 2: some pretty I would love to sit down and talk

633
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:05,000
Speaker 2: with Dre because I really respect Dre. I think sometimes

634
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 2: Dre gets in his own way. I think Dre also,

635
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,959
Speaker 2: if he were to be reflective, he would say that, yeah,

636
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,520
Speaker 2: but he is a dog of a competitor and I'm

637
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: built the same way. Like there's sometimes I get lost

638
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 2: in the emotion of things because I'm so in it. Yeah, right,

639
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 2: But like he is a floor leader.

640
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:25,959
Speaker 1: He is.

641
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:28,720
Speaker 2: It's really incredible to watch, and I think people always

642
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 2: get caught up in all the shenanigans, but they don't

643
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 2: see all the details at the level he's able to execute.

644
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,399
Speaker 2: I think he's the most underrated player in the league.

645
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like that you said that. I mean, because

646
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Speaker 1: that's who if someone were to ask me the question,

647
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 1: that's exactly what I would say. And this may be

648
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 1: a bold statement, but I don't believe that there would

649
00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: be a Warrior's dynasty.

650
00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:44,880
Speaker 3: But I agree with you.

651
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,120
Speaker 1: People don't understand how Seph Curry is not Steph Curry

652
00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: without Draymond Green. Katie's Warriors years are not Katie's Warriors

653
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 1: years without Draymond. Clay is not Clay without Draymond. He

654
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 1: is the heart of the team. He is the heart

655
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:59,080
Speaker 1: and soul. And sure there's been instances where he hasn't,

656
00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: but nine percent of the time he really lifts his

657
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: whole team up in a way that is rare.

658
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 3: But also like he's he's a savant, right, Like I

659
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 3: tell you, I geek out like on basketball terminology, like

660
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 3: watching him talk about from Okay, here comes to Iris

661
00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,640
Speaker 3: can cut, you can flaiscan cut like slip it. Like

662
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:17,919
Speaker 3: he sees things before they.

663
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: Happen, and he makes reads and then he can actually

664
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: verbalize to people what they should be doing.

665
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 3: Like that does not happen like Lebron can do that.

666
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 3: Steph doesn't really do that, right, Dre does that for staff.

667
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: I mean he's low key a point guard, which is.

668
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 2: Why I think Dre loves Bron because there aren't people

669
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 2: that actually see the game that people can geek out to. Yeah,

670
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 2: like Russell Westbrook sees the game, but he's more of

671
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 2: a rereact.

672
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Speaker 1: And it happens, right, Dreymond sees it before, sees it

673
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:47,000
Speaker 1: before it happens. Could you see Draymond becoming a coach easily?

674
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Speaker 3: I can see Draymond becoming the next head coach in

675
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:49,240
Speaker 3: Michigan State.

676
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,639
Speaker 2: Wow, that was actually think he would be perfect for

677
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 2: something like that.

678
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally, no, I see that. Yeah, the grit, that's

679
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: definitely Dre's vibe. Okay, next up, who do you think

680
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: was the biggest twenty five All Star snub? LaMelo Tree, Young,

681
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,160
Speaker 1: Devin Booker, just to list a few.

682
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 2: I mean, Trey is always going to be that person

683
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: for me to a degree because it's.

684
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 3: Just a situation.

685
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:18,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it's an unfortunate but it's like he always

686
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 2: gets discounted, even though I think he puts up numbers,

687
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: but it doesn't.

688
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 3: Translate yeah as much.

689
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will tell you though, Like I would say,

690
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 2: that's my biggest nump.

691
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 3: I'm really happy that Tyler made it.

692
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: Tyler Herro, Yeah, that's a cool one, like.

693
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: Because he his game has always been that. But there's

694
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 2: all like the Jimmy Butler saga that just exactly overshadows

695
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: how good Tyler is. So those are probably I've seen.

696
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: Tyler play in person two games this season, and he

697
00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: is a sniper, Like he is a catch and shoot demon,

698
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: Like I haven't seen someone catching and shoot like that

699
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: since Clay On, like Clay's prime. He's amazing, And I agree,

700
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 1: like there's you get caught up in that a lot

701
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: of the time. People don't realize that there's more to

702
00:26:58,080 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: a team than just their superstar. And I feel like

703
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:01,840
Speaker 1: there's so many players like that that are now getting

704
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 1: their shots. So that's cool to see.

705
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 3: I agree.

706
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,439
Speaker 2: And also I think Eric Sposer is probably one of

707
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,399
Speaker 2: the best coaches, if not the best coach in the league.

708
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 3: So it's like the.

709
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 2: Combination of like how he's been able to like unleash. Yeah,

710
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 2: like that's a real thing. Like people like, oh, like Jay,

711
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: you're a top pick, you should just go into the

712
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 2: NBA and question I'm like, well, actually, my head coach

713
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: doesn't give me a vehicle for me to crush it

714
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:22,919
Speaker 2: with their offense.

715
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, because someone needs to give you that opportunity.

716
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and player development and how people break you into

717
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: that is everything totally.

718
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: Okay, So Jay, can you give me your duke all

719
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,479
Speaker 1: time starting five? I know you've answered this question so

720
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: many times, but I need to hear it now on

721
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:35,879
Speaker 1: slow notes.

722
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: All right, So who this is tough?

723
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Also, feel free to name guys that you want to

724
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 1: come off the bench for. Very inclusive.

725
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 3: So this is like a top eight okay, Okay, So

726
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: like one file up question is this, like who I

727
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: want to go into battle with? Or like, who are

728
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:53,880
Speaker 3: the all time greatest that I would.

729
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 1: Associating all time greats?

730
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, where you gotta start off with Christian Layner? Of course,

731
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 2: I think lad is there. I would say, I would.

732
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: You can obviously put yourself.

733
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 2: Grant Hill Grant Hills there, mm hmm. I'm gonna put

734
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: me in there. I'm gonna go jj just because I

735
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 2: think we we talk a lot of tracks to each other.

736
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 3: But I would just love to be in the same backward.

737
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 3: This is a tough one. This is this is really

738
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 3: this is tough. I'd probably go maybe Jason Tatum. Wow

739
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 3: mm hmmm, go Jason Tatum, and I would have Paolo,

740
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 3: I would have Kyrie, and I would have Coop.

741
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 1: Come off the bench knowing that, I mean, he's as

742
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: Newton finished his rookie year and you're already putting him there.

743
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: That's saying something.

744
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,520
Speaker 3: I think that's special. Now, let's talk about some of

745
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:53,719
Speaker 3: the players I made it from right.

746
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 4: Zion.

747
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: I love Zion, but like you know, like his career,

748
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 2: that's my dude's durability.

749
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: I need that. Who else I leave off? Jabari Parker,

750
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: Danny Ferry. I'm okay.

751
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm comfortable with you as well.

752
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 3: I think we're I think we're.

753
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: It's crazy too, because there's so many guys that if

754
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: there's so many times that we could have had this

755
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: conversation where we would have thought there was a like

756
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: take a Jalil Okafort like five years ago his college year,

757
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: we would be saying like, oh, we think he was

758
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: going to be in that conversation really doesn't happen. There's

759
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people like that. I mean, Justice Windle.

760
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 1: There's people that you think when they're here, do I

761
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: think that you think that, oh, they're going to be

762
00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: in that conversation and it just doesn't translate.

763
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't think people recognize like like when you when

764
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 2: you're a freshman, right, like the one that had done arra

765
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: is interesting, Like I'll tell you that the biggest difference

766
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: in my freshman sophomore, Like my freshman year, nobody really

767
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: saw me coming. Yeah, right, So like I then became

768
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: the person on the skatal report. But like I game momentue,

769
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: like when you're come back as that player to then

770
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 2: like exceed expectations when defenses are specifically outlining their scattering

771
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: report just to specifically stop you. There's another level to it, right,

772
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 2: So like when I'm able to watch Grant like build

773
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: on that, when I'm able to watch JJ build on that,

774
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 2: Like for me my sophomore year be a national playerer,

775
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 2: win a championship, come back and having a different junior

776
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 2: year like knowing that if you stop me, probability of

777
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: you winning your game is higher, right, but still it

778
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 2: was hard for people to stop me because I play

779
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 2: with other studs.

780
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Speaker 3: So what factor that into it?

781
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's interesting for sure. Okay, So who is

782
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 1: an underrated all time duke player that you don't think

783
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 1: it's a lot of love. People don't talk about a lot.

784
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 3: I'll say Shane Mattier.

785
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: I think it's just because I think Shane did all

786
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 2: the dirty things defensively that nobody ever really sees nor

787
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 2: do people care. Like, we're going to highlight driven society,

788
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 2: so like when you wake up in the morning you

789
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: want to watch hoops, Like you go to your phone,

790
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 2: You're going to all the different highlights of games that happen.

791
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,000
Speaker 2: Like they don't show the strips, they don't show the

792
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: rotations in the week's ig. They know sort of communication

793
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,360
Speaker 2: on the back end of the defense. They don't say, hey,

794
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: slip on the screen or like echoing this Gotter report.

795
00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: There's so many That's.

796
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 2: What I'm saying though, And that's why JJ and Lebron's

797
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: podcast was so dope. Right, Like when you're actually sitting

798
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 2: down and you're hearing all the specific terminology, all the

799
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 2: tactical maneuvers like and how that's being executed while you're

800
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 2: running five and a half miles, like in a twelve

801
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: minute quarter, maybe to become ten minute quarters.

802
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 3: We'll see soon. Like that's not easy to.

803
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Do, No, it is all right. So lastly, I want

804
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: to end with two fun sections. So first we're gonna

805
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: go with a rapid fire, and then we're gonna do

806
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,239
Speaker 1: some j Williams trivia and we're gonna see how well

807
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 1: you know yourself. So starting off with the rapid fire.

808
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 1: Other than Cameron, what is your favorite college basketball arena?

809
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh, Dean Smith Center. I used to light their asses up,

810
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: so you like it? Just because I feel like I

811
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 2: just went off into a different place.

812
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: I feel like I just cursed.

813
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: I'm not sure.

814
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,400
Speaker 2: It's like the Kobe Mama thing just happened. I'm sorry

815
00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 2: if I curse, and I'm not allowed to curse.

816
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm sorry setting up except for the children. J gosh,

817
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: the children. Yeah, we'll believe it. We'll bleep it. Sorry,

818
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: we'll put like a nice little like unicorn, sound.

819
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: Like put like like me and the Kobe is like

820
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 2: all right?

821
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 1: In five years, who will be the face of the league?

822
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: And why.

823
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: Five years?

824
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 2: Who is the face of the league and why I

825
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 2: it's toughness.

826
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 3: Not I mean it's gonna be Wimby.

827
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: I mean I have a I have a media company

828
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: slash management company with Giannis, And like I watched them

829
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 2: battle the other night.

830
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: That was crazy, and.

831
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: Like they're not too many people on this planet where

832
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 2: I'm like, ah, like their size, their length is gonna

833
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 2: give g A a problem.

834
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 3: That dude gives g A a problem.

835
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Speaker 1: Did you see that one highlight where like Wemby is

836
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: sort of in the corner and he's like spitting around

837
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: and he just sort of like throws throws it up.

838
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: And it's like what it's what?

839
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 2: And look like you got to imagine for me too,

840
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Like I am specifically jaded by people like this, Like

841
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: my sophomo year, I could leave score earlier. Andone's like, hey,

842
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 2: you're gonna be the first pick in the draft. The

843
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: Washington Wizards are the first pick in the draft. Michael Jordan.

844
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 2: You and Jordan the same team. I'm like, I'm like,

845
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 2: this is so incredible.

846
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 3: You know.

847
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 2: Coach k is like, look, I think you need to

848
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: come back to school, be the first player to graduate

849
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: Duke in three years, and you.

850
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 3: Need to learn how to lead a team.

851
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I'll come back, and I come back.

852
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm gonna be the first pick in the draft.

853
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden, guy's like, here comes a

854
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: seven six Chinese person, you know, and it's gonna be

855
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 2: voted into All Star every year. I'm like, come on, really,

856
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 2: out of all the years, that's like the fact that

857
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: this dude is like seven six seven seven, but can shoot.

858
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: Threes and can move like that. Come on, come on, yeah,

859
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: it's over. He's gonna be the face.

860
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, totally. What is the best sports city in the country,

861
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: overall sports city.

862
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 2: Overall sports cittery, I mean, football kind of rules for me,

863
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: so like if they three p it has to be

864
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 2: Kansas City. Yeah, just and this is football just drives

865
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: so many numbers. And I think if we're getting into

866
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 2: the conversation about like Tom Brady's the goat, and I

867
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 2: know Tom and him I talk about, but if this

868
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: dude wins three in a row, he's just the greatest

869
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,399
Speaker 2: ever and he's still so young, So like, I guess

870
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: you would you would be able to like delineate the

871
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: greatest sports city in the world, Like all sports but

872
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 2: knowing how much football dominates, I don't think you're gonna

873
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: find a better city for sports in Kansas City right now.

874
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: And I mean, I hate to say it, but it's

875
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,279
Speaker 1: now brought in so many different fandoms, Like take Taylor

876
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 1: switch On fandom. Now everyone is a Chiefs fan.

877
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 2: So you think Travis Kelsey will continue to be as

878
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: popular if they break up?

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, if he goes into like a like a

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Speaker 1: little revenge area and she starts writing like breakup songs

881
00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: and he starts like going off and like in the

882
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 1: end zone doing some like celebrations, I actually think that

883
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: would be cool.

884
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 3: It depends on how they It depends on how.

885
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: They it was just like a mutual like, oh, we

886
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 1: love each other so much, we just are in different

887
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 1: places in life, like and then that's like a SOB story.

888
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: But if it's like they're both trying to like be

889
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 1: like vengeful, I think that that's sort of a vibe.

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00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, not the self yeah, vengeful vibe.

891
00:35:20,719 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 1: Okay, Jay, what is your favorite podcast? There's a pretty

892
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 1: obvious answer here.

893
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 3: I mean it's slow, no, yeah, okay, I mean like

894
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 3: I mean I I kind of geek outs and be

895
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 3: like Malcolm Gladwell and other things so that sort.

896
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 1: But like, let's just forget about.

897
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 3: Like basketball podcasts. It's only you.

898
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: No, I didn't even know there was other basketball podcasts.

899
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 1: I know, I'd never heard of that. I didn't know

900
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: there was other podcasts. I thought it was the first ever.

901
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: Well you're not only the first, your first and only?

902
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, first and only. Okay, great, I'm glad.

903
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: We should be the name of the podcast, the.

904
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: First and only ever an eternity podcast.

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00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 3: And then no, I wouldn't even call it a podcasts simulcast.

906
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: It's time, yes, okay, but we should call it b

907
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: l before Lebron. I don't know this al this is

908
00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: after Lebron.

909
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Is after Lebron. Already he's still playing.

910
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: Well I know, but like he's forty now, it doesn't count.

911
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: Oh no, d during Lebron during Lebron.

912
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 3: THEO has different meanings as well.

913
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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, sorry, I let's let's.

914
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Speaker 2: Come back and readdress something like this post forty thing.

915
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: We gotta and we're gonna be brothers just so we

916
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 2: gotta we gotta work on this, okay, Like forty is

917
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: the new thirty.

918
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: Oh cool? So wait, so then seventeen is the new

919
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,759
Speaker 1: Does that mean sent to the new ten?

920
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 3: It doesn't work that way when you're below twenty and

921
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: you're just start getting a yeah. But you're entering like

922
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 3: the Taylor Swift full woman stage of life. You're you're

923
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 3: you're coming into that.

924
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. So when you like, you just become

925
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift, I'm confused.

926
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 3: No, No, you will.

927
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you become Taylor Swift of the podcast industry.

928
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 2: And see how I did that? How are you going

929
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 2: to continue to make the podcast happen when you're here

930
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 2: at Duke.

931
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, love this foreshadowing, Jay, Thank you so much. Well,

932
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 1: I think that we can do. First off, we then

933
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,000
Speaker 1: that means we can talk to each other even more.

934
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: I just want to I just want to be a

935
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 3: part owner of it.

936
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: Oh, I can help you.

937
00:36:57,640 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: I can talk to team about that.

938
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 1: You can talk to Draymond, you know. But no, I

939
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: think like what would be really cool and my goal

940
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: and my hope is is that Duke has such an

941
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 1: incredible sports culture and that I'm able to really continue

942
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: to show that to the world and interview athletes from

943
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: various incredible programs. I mean, there aren't many schools out

944
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: there that really excel in every single sport like Duke does.

945
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: And I want to show that. And I mean, you know,

946
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: when the Boozer Twins are here, if Nick Komena, who

947
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 1: I've already interviewed, you know what I mean starting five

948
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,360
Speaker 1: for Duke, Yes, we do. I mean that's going to.

949
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 3: Be a little bit more history and homework he does

950
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 3: due diligence.

951
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:35,040
Speaker 1: But if you know, the recruiting classes keep looking like

952
00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,279
Speaker 1: this and John Shire keeps just killing it with the

953
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: five stars, I mean, this is going to be a

954
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: pretty fire podcast.

955
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 3: I got you.

956
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 2: I'm also thinking outside just to Duke Lane, I'm thinking

957
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 2: about like the national landscape, like if you're going to

958
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:46,880
Speaker 2: become the Oprah for sports entertainment, like we need to

959
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: start focusing on a larger cast of a net.

960
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,520
Speaker 1: Let's do it. I'm so excited. So that leads me

961
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: into my final question, Jay, if I want to nominate it, sorry,

962
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 1: if you could nominate a slow nose guest, who would

963
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: it be? And can you help me get the guest?

964
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say that needs to be Stepaniis.

965
00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:03,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean that that would be like my goals.

966
00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 2: Yes, I think they would I also think it's really

967
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 2: cool to see when you hit a certain level of celebrity,

968
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: like the new celebrity will become anonymity, right, Like everybody

969
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 2: wants to showcase everything now, and the more you learn

970
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: how to start being discreet, it will give you more

971
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: power in the marketplace.

972
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Speaker 1: Otherwise known as nonchalant.

973
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, no, no, I think.

974
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: I think, Okay, I don't mean to call you an

975
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: older person, but you're older than me, so I didn't

976
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: that as an older than me person. I feel like

977
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: older than me people don't fully get the meaning of

978
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: nonchalant because my definition of nonchalant is like how you're

979
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 1: explaining it, like I'm still like, you know what I mean,

980
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: Like you just have to be discreet, like not let

981
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: people know your every move, but still come out. And

982
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: when you come out, you're powerful, you know what I'm saying.

983
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: I'm so glad I can do some charity working give

984
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 1: an older than me person some explanation. I taught you

985
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: mogging nonchalant.

986
00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of knew what a nonchalant meant. No, No,

987
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 2: I feel like mumb cavalarry is pretty extensive.

988
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: It is actually like half the words you said, I

989
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 1: had no idea what you meant, But I just pretended

990
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: like I did. Oh that's the improm Do you think

991
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: I'm a good actor?

992
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: That's what that's I do?

993
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: Thank you, because I was acting. I had no idea

994
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 1: half the words you were saying.

995
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: You ready want to play a game? Oh, let's play

996
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 3: a level up game.

997
00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: I say a word, you give me another word that

998
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 2: comes off that word, and we keep going into somebody

999
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 2: messes up?

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00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: Okay?

1001
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 3: You ready? Okay? Okay? Chair?

1002
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: Table stand?

1003
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: How does chair work with table?

1004
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 1: Well? You wait? Okay, can you re explain the rules? No?

1005
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: I just want to see where you go next?

1006
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: How does chair work with table?

1007
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:37,920
Speaker 3: Okay? That's another one.

1008
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: Every word I say, you have to build off of

1009
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,279
Speaker 2: that word, all right, So we're gonna build off it.

1010
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,240
Speaker 3: We're going to create a story.

1011
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: Okay, Right, So I'll say a word, then you give

1012
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 2: me a story off that word real quick, and then

1013
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 2: I'll give you another story off your story.

1014
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 3: We'll keep going. You ready, chair.

1015
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 1: Would chopping wood, timber, chopping wood in.

1016
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 4: Its fall, building a cabin, sleeping in the cabin, fireplace

1017
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 4: in the cabin, roasting marshmallows, camping, Shazowsky, Bill Duke.

1018
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 3: See how we go see everything. Yeah, that's how we go.

1019
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 3: That's how we am.

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Speaker 1: Go. Blue Devils baby bye everyone. Thanks for listening to

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Speaker 1: this episode of Sloan Notes. You can get links to

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Speaker 1: my socials and see behind the scenes fun from Jay

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Speaker 1: and I in the show notes, or just search at

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Speaker 1: to the knee.