WEBVTT - Just Poor, Not Ugly 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:12.600 It's PM in Seattle and you're listening to Night Call. 0:00:30.560 --> 0:00:33.640 Hello everybody, and welcome to Night Call, a podcast for 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:37.559 your strange days and lonely nights. I'm Molly Lambert here 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.560 in Los Angeles, and also with me in Los Angeles 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:44.160 has Lynch. And over in New York we got Emily Yoshida, 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:49.000 Welcome to the Cafe Vosa. And also with Emily Yoshida 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:52.720 our producer Ben Hasley, who is going to join us 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:57.840 for a new segment called Ben Hasley's Arrowood Corner. I 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:02.440 love that. Yeah, you were saying that you had a weekend, 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:04.760 a fun weekend where you took mushrooms and went to 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:09.280 a virtual reality experience. It was a virtual reality arcade. 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:13.120 It's down the street from where we record Night Call 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:16.240 here in New York. There's this and it's very perplexing 0:01:16.280 --> 0:01:18.520 to me because every time I passed by it, there's 0:01:18.600 --> 0:01:21.319 usually a group like a Hasidic school group there, But 0:01:21.360 --> 0:01:23.520 that's like the only large group I ever seemed to 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:25.720 see going there. So I'm like, they really got that 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:31.640 market corner in Times Square. It's like midtown, Um. It 0:01:31.680 --> 0:01:35.200 would not be my personal place to do hallucinogens. I 0:01:35.240 --> 0:01:38.240 think I think that would probably maybe ruin midtown for me, 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:43.600 but I don't know. Some people like an intense experience 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.800 like that. I had a little bit of a mind warrior. Yeah. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.560 I had a friend who remember took mushrooms and went 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:53.240 to Body Worlds, which is the My God, the Body 0:01:53.280 --> 0:01:57.400 Worlds and and the X Games in one day rooms, 0:01:57.480 --> 0:01:59.240 and I was like, I think the X Games would 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:03.200 be glorious. That sounds fun. This was all downtown l A. 0:02:03.320 --> 0:02:05.080 So they went to the X Games and then they 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:07.200 went to Body Worlds, and I was like, I feel 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.120 like the last thing I would want to see on 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:12.720 mushrooms is a dead body that sliced open, because I 0:02:12.760 --> 0:02:16.560 would already be having enough thoughts like that anyway. But 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:19.480 some people like to lean in to the weirdness. Then 0:02:19.520 --> 0:02:22.440 can you walk us through what this was? Yeah, this 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:25.600 would be a virtual reality, yeah exactly. Oh yeah, everyone 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:32.120 put your glasses on imagination goggles. So, uh, it's two 0:02:32.360 --> 0:02:35.360 two floors and it's just all these different like I 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:38.440 guess we can call them installations, but it's just essentially 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:43.720 different games. Um So some of the ones that stood out, 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.760 or the Zombie Attack game where you are and four 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:53.600 other players are defending yourselves from waves of zombies that 0:02:53.639 --> 0:02:59.079 are attacking you. Oh no, so that was intense. Um, so, yeah, 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.880 I'm afraid of heights. They have one where you write 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.840 an elevator up eighty stories and then you're basically on 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:10.639 the edge or like of a of a building with 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.519 like a plank and so in the space itself, it's 0:03:14.560 --> 0:03:17.840 just this like board that's maybe like half an inch 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:22.280 off the ground. But when you are on mushrooms and 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:27.080 you feel like you're on top of this building, I 0:03:27.160 --> 0:03:30.280 really really freaked out. It was you throw up down 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:34.079 eight stories imaginary stories. All right, so this is the 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:37.400 terrible thing. I didn't make it to the end. But 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:39.480 even if you do make it to the end, you 0:03:39.640 --> 0:03:45.200 still fall and then watch yourself fall to the ground, Yes, 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:50.440 to your death? Is it always in that way? Who is? Why? Now? 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:57.280 Back in that sounds like the cyberpunk future I wanted. Yeah, 0:03:57.280 --> 0:04:01.680 you go to a booth in midtown and re I 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:03.480 did you? Did you get to do any of the 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.680 ones where you're like sitting in a French cafe watching 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.520 the rain. When I went to the forty Film Festival 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:11.560 a couple of years ago, they had like an oculus. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:14.240 They had a whole virtual reality section, and the best 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:17.839 one was you're sitting doodling in a notebook in a 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.800 French cafe and it's just like you could go on. 0:04:20.040 --> 0:04:21.760 I was gonna say, if there's one where it's like 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:24.240 you look at the ocean in virtual real? There those 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.479 some of them are like slow teeth virtual reality. Um 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:29.680 we I have a virtual reality friend. I'm going to 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:31.800 make her calling with a night call and explain v 0:04:31.880 --> 0:04:33.840 ARE to us because she has a lot of thoughts 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.599 about the field. I wanted to explain what who thought 0:04:36.680 --> 0:04:39.760 up a fun game where you climb up a skyscraper 0:04:39.800 --> 0:04:42.080 and die? Well, it seems I can't even get it 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:45.960 licensed by that movie The Walk. It seems like it's like, 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:48.320 you know how, like the first films were like the 0:04:48.360 --> 0:04:50.920 train pulling into the station and stuff. It seems like 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:52.920 it's like that. It's like, what are what are the 0:04:52.920 --> 0:04:57.480 things we can depict through virtual reality? Death? Death, a cafe? 0:04:58.040 --> 0:05:01.360 What else? What else? This is the thing it's gonna shape. 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.479 It's going to shape the next hundred years of of 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:06.040 VR narrative. Is that we the first thing we went 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:10.520 to was like what if we died? It's just all 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:13.280 like I guess like maybe it could be non chemical 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.919 like d MT if you just simulate your own death 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.400 in VR and then you get to have all the 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:21.000 all your brain really sell the chemicals. No, I mean, 0:05:21.080 --> 0:05:23.480 I'm like, I'm I was afraid of elevators for a 0:05:23.560 --> 0:05:25.680 really long time, so a lot of the stuff that 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.640 they recommended, like exposure therapy. But I'm like, what if 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.160 you just like simulated your death at an elevator and 0:05:31.200 --> 0:05:34.200 then it just got you over it forever or it 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.680 traumatized you really badly? How would you How would you 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:41.000 rate the experience? Ben? Yeah, what if this was your 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:47.360 post on on Arrowood about air your experience, I would say, don't, um, 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:51.680 don't do it, don't take drugs and do it. Uh 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:54.560 it was, but I was so exhaust I put my 0:05:54.600 --> 0:06:00.680 body through so much. So yeah, overall, I'm gonna say experience, 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:04.360 but don't take psychedelics. There were some of the other ones. 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:09.440 How many were there? Oh, there's so many? Uh racing ones. 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:14.719 Um there was one. Uh you climbed up a mountain 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:19.240 that was interesting. Uh. Yeah. A lot of it really 0:06:19.360 --> 0:06:21.760 was like a workout. Like yeah, you're like, I've had 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:26.000 my body through a lot climbing Virtual Warrior. Yeah, it 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:30.039 does seem like too much activity for maybe a psychedelic 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.839 experience where you might just want to like contemplate things 0:06:32.839 --> 0:06:39.279 real slowly. Yeah. Oh man, I was so sweaty. Yeah, 0:06:39.320 --> 0:06:41.560 I'll see my favorite one though, by far as the 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.920 art uh installation. So what it is is it's just 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:50.040 essentially a canvas and empty space that you're in. Oh yeah, 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.719 and then it's like tilt brush. Have you ever done that? 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.080 Is it the same thing as siltbrush? I believe so 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.880 I'm not familiar with tiltbrush. It's a Google thing, but yeah, 0:06:57.880 --> 0:07:06.440 it's really fun. 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I think 0:09:52.640 --> 0:09:54.640 the first of you I saw were so boring that 0:09:54.720 --> 0:09:57.680 I was like again, but then like yeah, doing stuff 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:59.679 like like where you get to just draw or it's 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:02.200 like of a freeform thing. It's not so narrative driven. 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:04.160 I was kind of into that stuff. You put the 0:10:04.160 --> 0:10:07.520 glasses on? Is that what makes it VR? Well, it's 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.560 like a yeah, it's like a whole a masking seperial 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:15.640 basic questions. Do you put the glasses on? Well? I 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:18.360 just remembered that I did one at a v N 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.640 that was a porn one, but it was great because 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:25.720 you didn't have to participate. It was just like you 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:28.560 were in a room full of people having sex and 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:30.840 you just like look around. There was one of those 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:33.360 at the forty Film Festival too, where it was the 0:10:33.360 --> 0:10:37.080 most interesting man in the world add VR thing back 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:39.000 when the most interesting man in the world still had 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.000 his job. Should but you just like look you you 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.840 were just at like his party and there was like, 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:46.160 oh yeah, I like that. I like the ones where 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:48.000 you're just like in a room and you look around 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.160 the room and stuff all over it. I like when 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:51.920 you're just in a room and you look down and 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:58.640 you don't have a body. Guys, what about a Frasier 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:02.080 VR experience? So people have been writing in with like 0:11:02.120 --> 0:11:11.080 a lot of Frasier content, including VR, including Fraser himself 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:14.199 feeling everybody rang the night, call alarm. This past week 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:21.199 when it was reported by Deadline Deadline Right that that 0:11:21.200 --> 0:11:25.440 that Kelsey Grammer was trying to get a Frasier reboot 0:11:25.679 --> 0:11:30.240 off the ground, um, and I my immediate sense was like, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:33.120 this is just a trial to see how much this 0:11:33.200 --> 0:11:36.720 trends on Twitter. Like it's like going by the reaction 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.240 that they get. Maybe somebody showed him the memes. Maybe 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.520 he saw some memes and was like, I am popular 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.120 on social media. People have been talking a lot about 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:47.720 Frasier for a while. It's not just us, although we 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.640 are definitely the most prompt we started it. We don't 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.800 claim as much credit for it as we should. But 0:11:54.840 --> 0:11:59.080 we were on Fraser wave long before many other people. Uh. 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:01.000 And it wasn't because we were like, let's pick a 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:04.840 weird show to like, just we're talking about it. I 0:12:04.880 --> 0:12:07.200 think probably because Emily is from Seattle and we were like, 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:09.160 what shows do we like to watch that are just 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:11.680 like well, And at that point I felt like I 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.520 still hadn't really come out in public with my spiel 0:12:14.600 --> 0:12:18.520 about like how Fraser is actually really really funny and 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:21.199 like the like comedic structure of it. I think it's 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:24.400 just like totally joyful. It is. It is. Uh, it 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.440 is one that I enjoy a lot, and I thought 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:29.040 about a lot. It's like a mathematical formula. It's like 0:12:29.040 --> 0:12:31.559 watching spu or something. You're like, it's kind of like 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:33.839 it's like a farce. It'll come back like three times. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.679 It's also just its own flavor. It has flavor unmatched. 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:42.640 We like a three camera comedy. But you could have 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:45.719 a reboot. Well I do not. I think no, I 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.960 don't want to. I don't want anything. I honestly don't 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:51.920 want any money for Kelsey Grammar. No on that. Yeah, 0:12:52.080 --> 0:12:54.520 let's it go straight to Camille. First of all, there's 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.520 no John Mahoney. He was like he was the Heart 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:02.880 and Freeze. But also I read something on Slate by 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.040 Lily Louf brow Um that was talking about how a 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:09.280 re a reboot of Frasier would be like a white 0:13:09.280 --> 0:13:11.640 collar Roseanne and she I don't know like if she 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:14.200 had information on this or she was just hypothesizing, but 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.080 she was like, so at the end of the original show, 0:13:17.440 --> 0:13:22.000 he's going to move to San Francisco or maybe Chicago somebody. Okay. 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.079 I think, like, because there's something else about the Buffy reboot, 0:13:25.080 --> 0:13:26.800 you know, where people like this is a terrible idea, 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.400 and then they were like, no, no, don't worry, it's 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.920 like a reimagining. And so I saw people being like 0:13:32.679 --> 0:13:35.040 things that could take place in the Frasier verse that 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.240 aren't just like a straight up Frasier reboot, because I 0:13:37.240 --> 0:13:40.200 think we probably all agree that the only good reboot 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:43.319 is Twin Peaks. Uh, And it was because it wasn't 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.720 really a reboot at all of that show. It was 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.360 just like part of the same universe. Yeah. So, I 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:50.600 mean the one like serious suggestion I saw that I 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:53.040 was totally down with was there was like one thirty 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.920 rock cutaway joke about black Frasier, and I was like, yeah, 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.079 that's what you should do, is like reboot a show 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.120 and like change and something about it. Don't just like 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:05.320 make it exactly the same show. Yeah. Again, almost like 0:14:05.320 --> 0:14:09.600 a dramaturgical kind of approach where you're like, I'm restaging display, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.080 but why now? And you have to figure out what 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:15.560 The funny thing is about Frasier. The crux of Frasier 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.560 is that Fraser and Niles are fancy pants that don't 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.880 really like any person who met them would think like, 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.120 how do you have the father you have? But then 0:14:24.160 --> 0:14:26.240 the father has to come and live with Frasier. And 0:14:26.280 --> 0:14:29.600 so it's like accepting your parents even though you feel 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:31.400 like you've moved beyond them and are a much like 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:33.880 of a like a different world than them. And I 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.840 feel like you can apply that basic dynamic to so 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:41.920 many different kind of us or just like also, people 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:44.760 be like, especially if you're Kelsey Grammar and you're like 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:48.080 a right wing psycho, why would you be like, oh, 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.040 this worked out so well for Roseanne. Well, that's the 0:14:52.080 --> 0:14:54.280 other thing that I found kind of unsettling about what 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.160 Slate was imagining was that it was that he had 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:01.160 moved to San Francisco and was so um kind of 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:04.040 appalled by the homeless crisis that he had been like 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.880 turned into like a right wing Fox News guzzling guy. 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:09.840 And then his son Frederick moves in with him, and 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:12.600 then it's like a generation, you know, the next generation 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:17.520 repeating the first of all. Frederick sucks. So I wouldn't 0:15:17.520 --> 0:15:20.960 even want Frederick in a in a Fraser reboot at all. Yeah, 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.000 I mean I feel like I would watch a show 0:15:23.040 --> 0:15:25.720 that was about like Eddie the Dog's Children r I 0:15:25.760 --> 0:15:29.520 p Eddie Eddie. I don't think we need it. I 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:33.480 think I'm just yeah, make more new stuff, make something 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:36.720 in that Vein. Don't should be another sitcom that takes 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:40.120 place in Seattle, right, making another sitcom that takes place 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:43.840 in Seattle. I want reboots of movies, and I want 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:47.560 them to be rebooted into TV movies transposed to now. 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.840 Like the other day, I was like Heartburn, I'd watch 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.240 like a weird TV movie of like Heartbook. I talked 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:58.360 about her. I want the relationship from I agree, Well 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.640 that's you know, a star is born, It's gonna bring 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:05.560 it bring like how am I going to feel? Emily? 0:16:05.560 --> 0:16:07.760 Where do you follow the stars born? This will be 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.480 the second week that we'll talk about. I think we 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:13.200 have a feature where we check in with each other 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.600 about like each other's temperature. On Stars. It's been reboot 0:16:17.640 --> 0:16:20.680 It's a thing that's been rebooted fifteen times, and I'm 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.800 going to protect us on topic. It's one of the 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:26.800 great stories of our time. It is. It is, Uh yeah, 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.400 it is. One could say the only story I'm I'm 0:16:29.440 --> 0:16:31.800 down for whatever I mean, Like I I like that 0:16:31.880 --> 0:16:34.440 trailer a lot. Like not I like the trailer a lot. 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:38.280 And my new my new theory is that musicals are 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.640 popular again because it's the Great Depression look. Musical has 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:49.400 been popular since Mulan Rouge. Like, uh right, thank you 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:55.280 for knowing. I'm shamed. Um, that's ready for the bos 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:57.480 I'm ready for the boss pod. You should be more 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.320 ashamed if your Mulan Rouge fandom than your is your fandom. Um, 0:17:01.600 --> 0:17:03.320 I'm not ashamed of any of it. It's all made 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:08.119 me who I am. It's part of the wonderful, Like 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:14.680 the Phantom of the Opera. Molly, you had been like 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.920 thinking or talking about Bigfoot, and then some big some 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:22.920 Bigfoot news dropped and Bigfoot was trending on Twitter. And 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:27.400 it turns out that it was because um Leslie Cockburn, 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.920 who was a Democratic candidate for Virginia's fifth district seat, 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:34.879 had tweeted a screen grab of her opponent's instagram that 0:17:35.000 --> 0:17:39.479 featured a really buff Bigfoot with a bar, a censor 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:43.960 bar over his penis, and she was like a my 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.720 opponent has like some ties to white supremacy. B he's 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.919 he's into big foot porn. Right, So like, first of all, 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:53.840 don't complete those two things. No, don't, because that was 0:17:54.000 --> 0:17:56.159 what was so weird about it was was like, no, no, 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.760 shame this person for being a white supremacist. Don't shame 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:02.400 the for being into bigfoot port because who cares? Did 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:07.840 you guys catch that she's Olivia wild Mom? Yeah, twist. 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:11.359 So I was watching. I was just looking through Hulu 0:18:11.400 --> 0:18:14.800 because Hulu has the weird movie section, uh, and they 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:19.240 have all these like homegrown weird documentaries and conspiracy documentaries 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.760 that I will sometimes watch, and they had one that 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.120 was like searching for Bigfoot, and I was like, how 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:27.320 about this Bigfoot documentary is like one of those things. 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:29.320 I suggested a hundred things to my boyfriend and he 0:18:29.359 --> 0:18:30.879 said no to all of them. And then I was like, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:33.880 Bigfoot documentary, it come so far out of left field? 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:36.680 He has why not? And then it was like it 0:18:36.800 --> 0:18:39.600 was made by a company that was called like re Search. 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:42.040 It wasn't Researched the book company, but it seemed like 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.520 it could be. Maybe it was like a similar logo. 0:18:44.640 --> 0:18:49.160 It was very like this is not a real science documentary, clearly, 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.600 But it was just interviews with like five people. They 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:58.200 were all white dudes in the South who are like 0:18:58.400 --> 0:19:02.639 obsessed with Bigfoot, and maybe like three or four of 0:19:02.760 --> 0:19:07.199 them wanted to hunt him and kill him. You assume 0:19:07.240 --> 0:19:09.119 it's to him. I assume it's him. They wanted to 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:12.840 hunt and kill Bigfoot so that Bigfoot could be scientifically examined. 0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:16.520 And then there was one who was a scientist who 0:19:16.680 --> 0:19:19.159 was like, how could we kill this creature? If we 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:21.560 found it, we have to like put it in custody 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:23.880 to study it. Yeah, why does it take a scientist 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:25.959 to be like, don't murder the thing that you were 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:30.200 seeking to find. Well, they were the most logical one, 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:32.880 but it was just really long interviews with people where 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:34.680 they talk about how they're so obsessed with Bigfoot, and 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:36.040 some of it was like that they were like big 0:19:36.119 --> 0:19:39.359 game hunters and they were like the ultimate prize, but 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:42.400 it was all about like nobody knows what's in the swamps, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:45.000 like anything could be in there. I feel like the 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.240 genre of a bunch of guys who become like obsessed 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.879 with a beast because or one guy who becomes obsessed 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:55.840 with the beast because it represents something symbolically to him 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:00.200 is like the most male genre. It is like will 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.800 It was very male and it was very white, and 0:20:02.880 --> 0:20:06.920 there was something kind of unsettling about it, Like I 0:20:07.080 --> 0:20:09.119 was like, am I being prejudiced that I am just 0:20:09.200 --> 0:20:14.080 assuming these people are all racists? But maybe not, because 0:20:14.160 --> 0:20:16.560 maybe there is something least they're just trying to hunt 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:20.440 a mythical Like talking about this a lot recently because 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.320 it's like, you can we're into conspiracy theory, but not 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.879 from the same point of view as people who like 0:20:29.960 --> 0:20:34.000 are into conspiracy theory because they're also racist. Well, I 0:20:34.040 --> 0:20:36.000 don't think. Also, I don't think we believe most of 0:20:36.040 --> 0:20:41.040 the we're interested in them as I think we're phenomenologists 0:20:41.160 --> 0:20:46.359 about conspiracy theory. We enjoy the phenomenon of conspiracies and 0:20:46.480 --> 0:20:50.119 thinking about how and why they get started and and 0:20:50.200 --> 0:20:51.879 a little bit of that is like whether or not 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:53.879 we believe them or think there's any truth to them 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:55.639 at all. But some of them are true. Like we 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:59.480 talked about things that did happen like mk Ultra or 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:02.320 like ration paper Clip that are like these things are 0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.560 so crazy they seem made up, but these were all 0:21:05.640 --> 0:21:09.680 like real chapters in American history that maybe we're covered 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:12.520 up at the time, and like Area fifty one stuff 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:17.720 obviously like something was happening, was it like space planes? Probably, 0:21:18.320 --> 0:21:23.120 but just it's interesting. Yeah, No, And I think I think, 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.600 I mean a friend of the pot Andrew t I 0:21:25.680 --> 0:21:29.840 feel like has said several times on his podcast us 0:21:29.880 --> 0:21:33.680 this racist all kind of conspiracy theorizing, like the practice 0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:39.520 of being doubter in the reality, like in like consensual 0:21:39.680 --> 0:21:42.000 reality has given to us by any kind of like 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:46.680 uh authority or governing body or anything. If that's just 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:50.080 sort of like your default position, then that's almost always 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:55.560 going to lead you toward white supremacy and ultra rightist 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.359 type politics, which I think about a lot, because I 0:21:59.440 --> 0:22:01.159 think I think there's a lot of truth to that. 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:05.200 There's been some really weird stuff happening recently that obviously 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:07.159 like touches that too. Though, like all the stuff was 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:09.600 like the twenty three and me and all the genetic stuff. 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:15.560 We knew that and we all called that. Like Karina 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:17.760 Longworth came on my other podcast, Molly Sleazy Friends, and 0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:19.440 I think on the first episode we were talking about 0:22:19.480 --> 0:22:21.560 it and about how like we thought it was a 0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.879 bad idea because like, well, no, but it's been reported, like, 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:29.280 I mean it's been reported Pato, my x podcast partner 0:22:29.320 --> 0:22:31.760 at the Verge from virgsp like she did a lot 0:22:31.880 --> 0:22:35.879 of um reporting on that, and it seems like one 0:22:35.880 --> 0:22:37.880 of those things where everybody was like this is bad. 0:22:38.040 --> 0:22:39.880 I don't know it just like it feels so out 0:22:39.920 --> 0:22:43.320