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Speaker 1: What is Up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode

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Speaker 1: of the Mets Uff Podcast. I know we've been doing

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Speaker 1: some off season episodes, this one is the real off

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Speaker 1: season episode. World series is over. The Texas Rangers are

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Speaker 1: the champions. We're ready to start talking about the twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four season, which means what players are coming back

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Speaker 1: to the Mets, what players they have brought back, what

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Speaker 1: players are available on free agency. Me and James, I

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Speaker 1: think are going to draft our five best fits for

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Speaker 1: the Mets this offseason, so you guys will see that

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Speaker 1: a little bit later on in the episode, and just

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Speaker 1: talking about everything that's been going on in Mets world.

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Speaker 1: So thank you guys for tuning in, listening, watching, whatever

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Speaker 1: you're doing. Make sure you follow us on our social

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Speaker 1: really appreciate it. James, haven't seen you in a few days.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling after we left the desert.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, feeling weird since we leave left the desert does

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Speaker 2: it always just makes like my hair and my eyes

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Speaker 2: and my skin and my throat feel we I'm not

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Speaker 2: built for that lack of humidity. I need the moisture

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Speaker 2: in the air. But overall, fun time, really cool being

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Speaker 2: at some World Series games cool, I guess for us individually.

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Speaker 3: See the Texas Rangers win. I know we liked.

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Speaker 2: We wanted to see them win even though we were

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Speaker 3: But great season for the Rangers. They did a lot

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Speaker 3: of things right.

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Speaker 2: I think there were so many people in media too,

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Speaker 2: being like they just did this, who a lot of money?

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Speaker 2: Now maybe another team could do this, so a lot

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Speaker 2: of money, And I think that's kind of now where

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Speaker 2: a lot of the Mets fans are at heading into

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Speaker 2: the offseason here, now that free agency has officially begun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's pretty cool to see that a team

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Speaker 1: that spent one and it's a great sign for the

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Speaker 1: Mets because we know the Mets will spend as they

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Speaker 1: have the last two years, and there are a ton

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Speaker 1: of great free agents that we will tell you guys

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Speaker 1: help make this team into a World Series contender again

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Speaker 1: after what was a disappointing twenty twenty three. But before that,

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Speaker 1: let's talk about some of the guys that are coming

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Speaker 1: back already, because we have some big news. Brooks Raley

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Speaker 1: back brought them back. Brooks Raili been one of the

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Speaker 1: best left handed relievers in baseball the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Was great with the Mets this past season. I know, James,

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Speaker 1: super friendly to us at spring trading. So we're happy

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Speaker 1: to see Brooks back.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, very friendly, and it's nice having a left hand

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Speaker 2: reliever in modern baseball that you know can get both

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Speaker 2: He was kind of the one who held together this

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Speaker 2: for six and a half million dollars is total bargain.

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Speaker 3: It was a no brainer for David Searins in the

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Speaker 1: Definitely, and then we lost Adam out of you know,

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Speaker 1: out of Vino did not pick up his player option.

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Speaker 1: really nice guy. I think one of the first people

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Speaker 1: guys and we asked Adam Outavino, what music do you

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Speaker 1: We were not sure, but Adam out of you.

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Speaker 2: Know gone, Yes, possible. He had two quite good years

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Speaker 2: He tried to mix in a few more pitches this year,

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Speaker 2: But he's someone who's really nice to talk to, someone

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Speaker 2: who was always very respectful of us. I know him

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Speaker 2: and Viido had a nice little relationship to kind of friends.

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Speaker 2: I'll go as far as say they were friends. And

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Speaker 1: And of course we have to talk about what's the

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Speaker 1: biggest move coming in for the New York Mets this offseason?

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Speaker 1: Thus far, huge acquisition Mets. You guys probably heard about.

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Speaker 1: You saw all the news Zach Short. They brought in

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Speaker 1: Zach Short, utility man play shorts second base, third base.

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Speaker 1: I think he's even played a little outfield. Fun fact

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Speaker 1: about New Yorker from Kingston, New York. I don't know

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Speaker 1: That's the news you guys have definitely been waiting for. Yep.

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Speaker 2: That was the big news from Monday, the acquisition of

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Speaker 2: Zach Short. And it's just good good, you tell the

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Speaker 2: So John Bill lit disappointed he's going from Danny Mendick

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Speaker 1: Yep. And then we also got to see David Sarns

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Speaker 1: A lot of good things going on over there, James,

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Speaker 1: what are you thinking about it now?

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Speaker 2: Stern's had a great, great set conversation with the media today.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff going on and a lot

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Speaker 2: First of all, he said that his first impression of

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Speaker 3: Wonderful to hear.

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Speaker 2: You talked about coaches, front office, personnel, players specifically, He's like,

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Speaker 3: Cool that it is like that now? That was a

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Speaker 2: And he also in regards to Craig Council, he very

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Speaker 2: candidly said he just did not see that coming. He said,

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Speaker 2: Counsel is always a guy who plays things close to

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Speaker 3: Whole way there.

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Speaker 2: And the other big part of you know, hiring process

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Speaker 2: that we have enough going on. He said the front

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like the whole Craig Council thing. He

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Speaker 1: Baseball Operations. While GM will probably eventually get filled at

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like he's kind of like relishing in

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Speaker 2: And we also know that the Mets do have other

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Speaker 2: So I think there is a decent infrastructure in place.

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Speaker 2: Also, like it has been a full month since he

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Speaker 3: He made an assessment and I trusted.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, one hundred percent. And I mean, like just

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Speaker 1: hearing him also talk about like what he thinks about

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Speaker 1: he wanted to be Dodgers Dodgers East essentially, which is

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Speaker 1: about that. And he said generally, you don't do that

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Speaker 1: like a Jackson Chorio out in Milwaukee, Like there's been

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Speaker 2: Definitely, And he also said that they're not really going

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Speaker 2: to be afraid. Yeah, everything has to shake out. We

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Speaker 2: all know what's gonna happen the offseason.

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Speaker 1: He said he would love to be in a position

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Speaker 2: Ready to go and could pitch the eny things they need.

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Speaker 2: But he said competition is not a bad thing. So

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Speaker 1: it's not the same, but I think the idea and

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Speaker 1: the principle is like Tom sever was famous for, like

436
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Speaker 1: the drop and drive like he would get he would drop,

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Speaker 1: get down low and drive out towards towards home plate

438
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Speaker 1: when he would pitch, and that's what kind of made

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Speaker 1: those pitches look like they had a little more zip.

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Speaker 1: Makes it look like that fastballs rising at times, and

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Speaker 1: not that Yoshinobu Yamamoto is doing the same thing. Almost

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Speaker 1: got me saying Sawo Mora as I'm reading the notes here,

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Speaker 1: but not that he pitches it the same way. But

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Speaker 1: the idea is like that lower release point, with that spin,

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Speaker 1: with that ride, with that jump that it has is

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Speaker 1: what makes that fastball even more lethal, even more unhittable,

447
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Speaker 1: which we've seen lots of hitters in the MPB struggle with.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Joe Ryan's a guy who when he was

449
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Speaker 2: coming up to the minor league, people said he had

450
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Speaker 2: through an invisible which he was kind of the first

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Speaker 2: one who made the style of fastball I guess notorious

452
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Speaker 2: where you have a low release point. And there are

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Speaker 2: plenty of videos Yamamodo that are now trickling out from

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Speaker 2: the MPB and just from the World Baseball Classic last year.

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Speaker 2: So if you guys want to know what mean, go

456
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Speaker 2: check some of these videos out. They're all over to

457
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Speaker 2: where they just search his name, you'll find one hundred

458
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Speaker 2: because right now everyone is the foremost expert in your

459
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Speaker 2: Yamamoto the big pitch that he has though, and this

460
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Speaker 2: is similar to saying god, similar to a lodve Japanese pitchers.

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Speaker 2: It's a splither. Some people have called it the forkball.

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Speaker 2: It looks more like a splither to me. I've seen

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Speaker 2: him call a splither more than me, so I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: call a splither. And the cool thing is it sits

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Speaker 2: like ninety eighty nine to ninety one's where I've seen it,

466
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Speaker 2: And that's very similar to you guys. Just saw Nathannavaldi

467
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Speaker 2: just run rough shot through another postseason, just dominate for

468
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Speaker 2: the Rangers, be their ace on the way to a

469
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Speaker 2: World Series. And Alex Cobb has rejuvenated himself in his

470
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Speaker 2: mids late thirty's throwing a hard split like this as well.

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Speaker 2: Looks like his fastball falls off the table. And these

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Speaker 2: are stats that I got from Just Baseball. Marca Mark knowsa

473
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Speaker 2: the guy who runs at Aaron Layton. Me and Aaron

474
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Speaker 2: have have but had a few times about this, and

475
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Speaker 2: like he did write a really good article about Yamoo's stuff,

476
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Speaker 2: but there was no sighting the data anyways, so I

477
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Speaker 2: always very curious where he gets his information. Him and

478
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Speaker 2: I once had a nice littlewitter fight about von grism

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Speaker 2: not never playing shortstop, which I knew that was gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: I was like, no, I see his arm strength. The

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Speaker 2: Baseball's avant he can't play shortstop. And he's like, no,

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Speaker 2: look at this throw in a video. I'm like that,

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Speaker 2: I don't care. But I digress again. So the data

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Speaker 2: that just Baseball had in this is that that splither

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Speaker 2: had almost an eighty percent groundball rate and a fifty

486
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Speaker 2: percent chase rate. But he also threw it thirty percent

487
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Speaker 2: of the time and more often than not inside the

488
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Speaker 2: strike zone, which is very different than Koda Asanga and

489
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Speaker 2: the fork ball goes fork like we talked about a

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Speaker 2: lot this season where that pitch was mostly at the

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Speaker 2: strike zone.

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Speaker 3: It was a WIF pitch.

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Speaker 2: So this pitch from yam Modo gets offt contact, gets

494
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Speaker 2: ground balls, gets called strikes, and it gets chases when

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Speaker 2: he does choose to go out of the strike zone

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Speaker 2: with it. This is the pitch that's probably going to

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Speaker 2: set him apart. This is a pitch that I think

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Speaker 2: is going to be the bread and butther for Yamo

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Speaker 2: as he comes to the major leagues. And this, paired

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Speaker 2: with that fastball with the great in the vertical break

501
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Speaker 2: and the great velocity and the great release point, that

502
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Speaker 2: is the one to two punch that's gonna make him

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Speaker 2: probably potentially an ace in the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I mean if the Mets signed him, obviously

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Speaker 1: will do an even deeper dive into what Yammoto's got.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot more players to talk about this free agency,

507
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Speaker 1: but in terms of just straight up starting pitchers, the

508
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Speaker 1: list starts with Yoshinoba Yamamoto. Again, like James said, go

509
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Speaker 1: on Twitter, go on YouTube, go on the internet and

510
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Speaker 1: just type in his name. Watch him pitch. He's fascinating,

511
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Speaker 1: incredibly good, and super excited to see him come over

512
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Speaker 1: to the US and see how it goes.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and he still has a curveball that has a

514
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Speaker 2: little bit more horizontal break, and that's the pitch that is.

515
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Speaker 2: The only other pitch is arsenal. The last year he

516
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Speaker 2: through one ten percent of the time based on what

517
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Speaker 2: I could find. And he also mixes in a sweeper

518
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Speaker 2: which is barely kind of like how cod that was

519
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Speaker 2: like kind of throwing it showing me sweeper for part

520
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Speaker 2: of the year, and then a cother two which is

521
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Speaker 2: a pitch he uses Morgan's lefties get some soft contact,

522
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Speaker 2: so a lot of stuff here to work with. And

523
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Speaker 2: as we saw from Code I Sanga is probably not

524
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Speaker 2: the finished product. Was repertoire will look like in the

525
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Speaker 2: major leagues, A lot is going to change. Everything's gonna change.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna be using a new baseball, He's gonna be

527
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Speaker 2: living in a new country, learning a new language. A

528
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Speaker 2: lot of things are going to change between now an

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Speaker 2: opening day for Yoshinobu Yambo though.

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Speaker 3: But that is your guys, primer of him.

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Speaker 2: Take that, and I mean there's a lot to be

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Speaker 2: excited about with him, and he is again, he's the

533
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Speaker 2: prize of this pitching market, even this free agency basically

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Speaker 2: besides Shoho Tani.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and now to speak about the rest of the

536
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Speaker 1: starting pitching available, there's a couple other big names here,

537
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Speaker 1: but we'll say, like there's maybe a lack of theoretical

538
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Speaker 1: aces in this free agent market right now, even though

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Speaker 1: there's at least probably two, three, three. What do you think,

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Speaker 1: James two or three?

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Speaker 3: Three and a half? I don't know three and a half.

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Speaker 2: I made a tier Liss'm gonna put on Twitter tomorrow

543
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Speaker 2: morning as this podcast comes out too, so you guys

544
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Speaker 2: will see what I think of this pitching market. But

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Speaker 2: you have you on Modo, who is like has the

546
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Speaker 2: same thing of like Young, throws hard, like looks like

547
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Speaker 2: an ace. And then you have two guys right below

548
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Speaker 2: him but next to each other, who are next to

549
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Speaker 2: each other in a tier but for totally different reasons,

550
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Speaker 2: and one is Blake Snell different and one is Aaron Nola.

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Speaker 2: These two are not the same in any way besides

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Speaker 2: being kind of similar to what they can give you,

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Speaker 2: which is Snell as in like, I'm probably gonna be

554
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Speaker 2: really effective, but the workloads are going to be kind

555
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Speaker 2: of concerning, and I mean I might just wake up

556
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Speaker 2: when they click my heels together and not be that

557
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Speaker 2: good anymore, whereas.

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Speaker 1: Aaron also or I might mess around and win two

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Speaker 1: Cy Young's possibly in like eight years.

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Speaker 2: So no, actually, the sevenfold Major League season. I want

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Speaker 2: to talk about this too, because Blake Snell it's not

562
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Speaker 2: official yet but really feels like by the end of

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Speaker 2: this week, but next time we talk to you, guys,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna become the twenty second pitcher in the history

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Speaker 2: of baseball with two Cy Young Awards. Yes, do you

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Speaker 2: want to hear the other guys on that list? You

567
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Speaker 2: want to just get a taste of them?

568
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Speaker 1: Yeah, give me. Give me some of those names. Roger Clemens,

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Speaker 1: Randy Johnson, Greg Maddock, Steve Carlton, Clayton Kershaw, Max Schurz

570
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Speaker 1: or Justin Verland or Pedro Martinez, Tom sever Jim Palmer,

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Speaker 1: Sandy Kofax, Jacob deGrom, Corey Klueber, Tim Linzicom, Johann Santana,

572
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Speaker 1: Roy Hoald They, Tom Glavin, Brett Saberhagen, Danil McClain, gay

573
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Speaker 1: Lord Perry, Bob Gibson, Blake Snell. There's a lot of

574
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Speaker 1: really good names on that list.

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Speaker 2: Bob Gibson did not even win his first Young until

576
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Speaker 2: his eighth year in the league, and Blake Snell is

577
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Speaker 2: two in his first seven. Danil McClain, I'm sure you

578
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Speaker 2: guys all remember Daniel McLain of the Detroit Tigers in

579
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Speaker 2: the sixties. He won cy Young his fourth and fifth

580
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Speaker 2: year and was literally never good again. Nest real scary

581
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Speaker 2: than me about Blake Snell, Brett Saberhagen even with two

582
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Speaker 2: in his first six peaked there. Johan basically went two

583
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Speaker 2: in four years. Tim Linsicon won so Young in his

584
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Speaker 2: second and third years in the league, and Corey Klueber,

585
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Speaker 2: I think in his third and fifth years in the league.

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Speaker 2: So there is a precedent to someone winning two So

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Speaker 2: Youngs in their first seven years and really not getting

588
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Speaker 2: to that level ever again. But there's also some precedent

589
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Speaker 2: for guys not doing that and having great careers after that.

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Speaker 2: So there's a lot of the way that this Blake

591
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Speaker 2: Snell stuff can go. I think he's just one of

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Speaker 2: the most fascinating careers we're ever gonna see in our lives.

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Speaker 1: Blake Snell is the definition of high risk, high reward.

594
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Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of risk involved in him, but boy,

595
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Speaker 1: when it hits, it's going to hit hard. Cy Young

596
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Speaker 1: Award type stuff.

597
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Speaker 2: Even the last two years for Blake Snell, he made

598
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Speaker 2: really weird different adjustments that got him to this high

599
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Speaker 2: level because he started twenty to twenty two and he

600
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Speaker 2: was bad. He had two months where he was so

601
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Speaker 2: bad he couldn't do anything, and it was basically because

602
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Speaker 2: he kept trying to throw this change up to hitters

603
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Speaker 2: on both sides of plate. He had no feel for

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Speaker 2: it whatsoever. So he wound up getting rid of that

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Speaker 2: and just throwing all fastballs and sliders. Got there, and

606
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Speaker 2: then this year he rediscovered the change up. He liked

607
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Speaker 2: the curveball more than the slider. He said after the

608
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Speaker 2: season he didn't have a feel for his slider the

609
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Speaker 2: entire year, and he won a cy Young Award from

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Speaker 2: a pitch that he threw the second most of the

611
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Speaker 2: year before, and that it was all curveballs, fastballs, change ups.

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Speaker 2: Like it's great when it's good, it looks really good,

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Speaker 2: but then you also like are like, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: like do I want an ace who walks twelve percent

615
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Speaker 2: of hitters? And also Blake Snell won the cy Young

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, He's probably gonna win in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: Each of those years he threw exactly one hundred and

618
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Speaker 2: eighty innings pitch. Every other year in the major leagues,

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Speaker 2: he's thrown one hundred and twenty nine hundred and seven

620
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Speaker 2: COVID fifty one hundred, twenty eight hundred, twenty eight. So

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Speaker 2: it's like I'm either gonna throw less than one hundred

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Speaker 2: thirty or one hundred and eighty on the DoD And

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Speaker 2: like that is kind of a weird thing in mind

624
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Speaker 2: the baseball too, especially a team like the Mets, where like,

625
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Speaker 2: innings feel more important than most other things, and I

626
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Speaker 2: get a little scared of someone who I don't I

627
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Speaker 2: don't really say, like I can lock you in for

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Speaker 2: one sixty one seventy off the bat.

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Speaker 1: Well, how about I tell you about someone you could

630
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Speaker 1: lock in for one sixty one seventy off the bat

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Speaker 1: Like at that segue right there, pro podcasters, how about

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Speaker 1: Aaron Nola. Aaron Nola since twenty seventeen hasn't thrown less

633
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Speaker 1: than one hundred and sixty innings outside of the COVID year,

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Speaker 1: where you're still through seventy one, which feels like a

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Speaker 1: lot of innings. In the COVID season, seventy one feels

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Speaker 1: like a lot. But since twenty seventeen, one sixty eight

637
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Speaker 1: is is low. The last three years, I think he's

638
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Speaker 1: right around six hundred innings pitched, which is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you guys have seen him. He's played for

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Speaker 1: the Phillies his entire career. We've we've gotten a taste

641
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Speaker 1: of him plenty times. Granted the last few times we've

642
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Speaker 1: actually gotten to him. But yeah, up until like those

643
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Speaker 1: last few appearances, he was probably one of the most

644
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Speaker 1: dominant pitchers against the Mets, at least in our lifetime

645
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Speaker 1: or the recent recent history. He's been disgusting, and he's

646
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Speaker 1: so the opposite of Blake Snell of a guy who's

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Speaker 1: just like consistent, solid, probably not gonna win you a

648
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 1: side young ever, but he's also probably never going to

649
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:16,239
Speaker 1: be as bad as Blake Snell will be like in

650
00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: his bad years. So that's kind of the end in

651
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:19,280
Speaker 1: Yang with those two.

652
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just so.

653
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: Much cause Snell's just so much stuff over command and

654
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 2: Nola is so much feel. He's got the knuckle curve,

655
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 2: he's got the change up, he's got the two seam

656
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: where like everything kind of works together. And the big

657
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: thing with Nola, especially in terms of where where what

658
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 2: he would be as assigning to with the Mets. So

659
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: he's pitched his whole career in front of mostly bad

660
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,399
Speaker 2: defenses in one of the most notorious hitters parks in

661
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: the league. And he's been running home run a fly

662
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,199
Speaker 2: ball rate. It's well over ten percent for most of

663
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 2: his career, and this year one of the worst years

664
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 2: of his entire career, if not the worst year besides

665
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,800
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one sixteen percent home run flyball raid, so

666
00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: well above the league average.

667
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 3: And he's another guy.

668
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 2: Who I've talked to you guys a little bit about

669
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: why I don't like x FIP using it as a

670
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: Stata metric to judge pitching, and x FIP is you

671
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: take a pitcher's fifth but you knew rualize the home

672
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 2: run rate for league average, which is stupid because some

673
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,280
Speaker 2: guys you should never utilize the home run rate, especially

674
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 2: people who use that for something like fantasy baseball. It's like, oh,

675
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 2: I know what ballpark is gonna be pitching, and I

676
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 2: don't want to league average home run rate, Like if

677
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: I'm pitching in Philadelphia compared it to City Field, that's

678
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:15,840
Speaker 2: not It's gonna be very different home run rates. I'm

679
00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 2: expecting that. But him getting to a ballpark that's bigger

680
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 2: with better defense, I think could really just make him

681
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 2: settle into like a nice late career groove where he

682
00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 2: is a guy who you can just count on for

683
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: a three to zero to three five era you're not

684
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,040
Speaker 2: you can set your watch to it. He's probably you're

685
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 2: probably not super comfortable with him pitching game one of

686
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 2: your playoff series, but you feel really good if he's

687
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,040
Speaker 2: pitching two or three. And I think that is like

688
00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 2: a big reason to temper Nola expectations because I think

689
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 2: for a while he was considered this like super ace,

690
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 2: but he just doesn't really have that pitch mix. He

691
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 2: doesn't throw hard, he doesn't have like wipeout slide that's

692
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,080
Speaker 2: going to be like, yes, I'm gonna.

693
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 3: Shut you down.

694
00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 2: You guys even saw this postseason. There were some starts

695
00:26:50,160 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: where like wow, eron Nol's unhit the ball. There were

696
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 2: some starts where like get Aaron Nola out of the

697
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 2: game right now, Like that's kind of how he is,

698
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 2: even if you're watching him start then start out in

699
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 2: the regular season. But he's he's somehow become underrated as

700
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 2: being one of the more consistent pitchers of the last

701
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 2: half decade. I think he's someone who would be a

702
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:05,840
Speaker 2: wonderful fit in New York.

703
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: Oh definitely. How about these these next three guys here,

704
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you to pick one here, Sonny Gray,

705
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 1: Jordan Montgomery, Kent to Maida. I know Kent is a

706
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 1: little bit a little bit more different because he's like

707
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: coming off the Tommy John stuff. But when Kent has

708
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: been on, he's been pretty disgusting. Which one of those

709
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 1: three you think you were most excited to talk about?

710
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 3: I think probably Sonny Gray.

711
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,919
Speaker 2: I think the other guy that would go in that

712
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:30,120
Speaker 2: tier with Gray Montgomery's probably Marcus Stroman. I can imagine he's,

713
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, imagine he's not coming back. So I didn't

714
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,440
Speaker 2: even want to include them in our conversation here. He'll

715
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 2: get his name said, but that's about it. But Sonny

716
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,840
Speaker 2: Gray changed so many things last year with the Twins,

717
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760
Speaker 2: like especially he added a new sweeper, which was a

718
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 2: Twins special. We talked about that a lot with Pablo Lopez.

719
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: He ditched his hard sly either, he threw less sinkers,

720
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 2: he threw a new cover, he had more change ups,

721
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,440
Speaker 2: more less curve balls, and all kind of coalesced with

722
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: him having one of the best years his entire career.

723
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,520
Speaker 2: And it was all driven by that sweeper over forty

724
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 2: percent whiffs, the best run value for any in the

725
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 2: whole league for a starting pitcher. Second was Kyle Gibson,

726
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: the guy who we're talking about later you hate. And

727
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray also has highest fastball philosophy since twenty twenty,

728
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:11,159
Speaker 2: even as age thirty four season, He's a finalist for

729
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 2: this I Young Award. Whether that was deserved or not,

730
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't think it was Kyle Bradsch got robbed, but

731
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 2: got robbed. Sonny Gray is a good pitcher, and he's

732
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,680
Speaker 2: now put a couple of really good years together with

733
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 2: a lot of major adjustments happening. And there's a lot

734
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 2: to be said about a guy who's still so active

735
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: in reinventing himself at this latter stage of his career.

736
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: Like Soney Gray is basically a ten year pro. He's like,

737
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 2: he's a guy who like he's been around for most

738
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,399
Speaker 2: of our adult lives watching baseball, and he's still learning

739
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,000
Speaker 2: new things, changing his approach, doing new things when new

740
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 2: people come tell him new ideas. He's someone also just

741
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: seems like a great person to just have a round.

742
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 2: He's Vanderbilt, He's been a high pedigree. He's always seems

743
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 2: to be on teams that are finding their ways to

744
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: like overperform a little bit. I like Sonny Gray a lot.

745
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 2: I think Sonny Gray has a good mix in this

746
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: class of upside while not breaking the bank. And I

747
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: think he's someone who also good fit.

748
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I will see how he feels maybe

749
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 1: about coming back to New York, because obviously pitcher with

750
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: the Yankees think go so well, they kind of ran

751
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: him out of town, so maybe he'll be a little

752
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: bit scared. If he is, whatever, don't come here then,

753
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: But if you want to come here and pitch, we'll

754
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 1: be happy to thank you, that's for sure.

755
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

756
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 2: I mean again, like I think that was more of

757
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 2: like the Yankees being like, you can't throw these pitches anymore.

758
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 3: And our ballpark gives up a child. Yeah, like that.

759
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: I think that was the best situation for everybody involved.

760
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 2: I wouldn't like paint him as like can't handle New

761
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,560
Speaker 2: York because a lot of people hand m I'd be like,

762
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: can't handle not throwing your best pitch when your pitching

763
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 2: coach doesn't let you. I think that's where if you

764
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 2: take any pitcher in baseball and you just allow them

765
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 2: for throwing their best pitch, anything they do on the

766
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: field will be impressive.

767
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: It was like Jamison ti On this year with the Cubs.

768
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: The first like two months, they're like, stop throwing that curveball,

769
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: and he pitched terribly, and then they're like, okay, throw

770
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: it again, and then he's like, see, I'm good now,

771
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: Like why why would you tell me to change? Shout

772
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,480
Speaker 1: out uh, David Sturt saying he wants to talk to

773
00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 1: the players, remember.

774
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: That, mm hm, And then I want to talk with

775
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 2: the other two guys you mentioned too, because Jordan Montgomery

776
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: is someone who, like was again deep in this Texas

777
00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 2: Rangers World Series run, probably one of the biggest reasons

778
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 2: they even got there. And I think I told him this,

779
00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 2: like sneakily the deadline, that that was one of my

780
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: favorite moves because they just needed to keep their heads

781
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 2: above water. And he's a guy who every fifth day

782
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,320
Speaker 2: for since he's been the Major League I think, besides

783
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: getting TJ early in his career with the Yankees, I believe,

784
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: like his first or second year with the club, just

785
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: out there every fifth day. And we actually made a

786
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 2: bet about this before last season because I've always loved

787
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: Georgian Montgomery, even though he's like kind.

788
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 3: Of the exact opposite pitch.

789
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 2: I like because it's just like sinkers and change ups

790
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: and just like have some fun out there and just

791
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: like get there every fifth day, make some contact and

792
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 2: get back to the bench. You don't like him for

793
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 2: that reason because you never really saw the upside, right.

794
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 1: Hold on backtrack, Not that I don't like him, he's

795
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: a game cock. I always I always support my game, Cocks.

796
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 1: I just didn't see the upside that you saw then.

797
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 1: But it's I never I never didn't like him. It

798
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: was just you were you were, you were Paul Sea

799
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: walled in him a little bit. You were getting a

800
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 1: little excited. You were getta look excited. And I won

801
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: the Paul Sea wall bet between us last year, so

802
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 1: I was feeling hot. I was like, you know what,

803
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: pitching James over here thinks he knows everything. I'm gonna

804
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: date that.

805
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And Mark and I actually had made a bet

806
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 3: before this season, what if.

807
00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: Jordan Montgomery would ever have a year in his career

808
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: more than one hundred and fifty innings pitch and lower

809
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 1: than the three point five vra and I made it

810
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: mostly because he was out of the doldrums. Yankee Stadium

811
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: was in Bush Stadium, great plays to pitch, great defense

812
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,360
Speaker 1: over there. He gets traded to Texas, another great place

813
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: to pitch, and well, you know, first year over bet,

814
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 1: I won it. So that was it, marken Aeron, I

815
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 1: won and one on pitching bets, so you got to

816
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: think of another stupid one for this year.

817
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 3: But he made a lot of.

818
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Weird changes of the repertoire, like between going from the Yankees,

819
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: the Cardinals to the Rangers. But eventually after all that

820
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 2: wound up in the exact same place he started, which

821
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 2: was throwing a lot of sinkers and just like using

822
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: his massive size and his great extension to get on

823
00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:30,600
Speaker 2: top of the ball and got a lot of ground

824
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: balls and weak content contact, and that's great.

825
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 3: He was a central piece to a World Series run.

826
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy who's cool, is out there

827
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: every fifth day and something the met's neat. Now, the

828
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 2: other guy you mentioned, Kenza Meda, He's one who is

829
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: significantly riskier, but I think just a lot of upside there, sneaky,

830
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: like basically the same major of Sonny Gray thirty five,

831
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: which I was shocked about. And had a really nice

832
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 2: bounce back this year after his time with john surgery.

833
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: He got hurt, like right at the end of April,

834
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: right after the surgery again, and that was after a

835
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 2: crazy blow up against the Yankees where he gave up

836
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: ten earned in three innings pitch. But he came back

837
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480
Speaker 2: in June and was fantastic the rest of the season.

838
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 2: Ninety innings, three to three ERA, twenty nine percent strikeouts,

839
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: seven percent walks, one point nine whip.

840
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 3: Really really good.

841
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: His loss he improved as season went on, got back

842
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,719
Speaker 2: to ninety ninety one, which is still like not very good.

843
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 2: But he opened up the season eighty eight eighty nine

844
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 2: and his whole career SAT ninety two to ninety three.

845
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 2: SAT ninety one was a big deal. His splither was

846
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 2: still awesome, His fastball is still good. The slider was

847
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: the one thing that didn't really come back. He always

848
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 2: had a really good sharp slider that was like his

849
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 2: calling card with the Dodgers that played off to splither

850
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 2: and in between the fastball well, but this time was

851
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 2: less Sharpluloloopi or les Velo. So that's kind of the

852
00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: lynchpin here to see if he can be like a

853
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 2: two to three again as opposed to a three four five.

854
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: But I don't I'm curious to see what his contract

855
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 2: looks like after one hundred inning season, after Tom of

856
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 2: John surgery, afterty five years old, where he actually was effective.

857
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it'll be interesting to take a look at

858
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: where he's gonna get paid. I'm not sure what. I

859
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 1: really don't even have a clue. Is there anybody even

860
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,479
Speaker 1: compared it to I don't know. I mean, yeah, it's

861
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: one guy compared to his another guy on this list.

862
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: It's former met, a former friend of ours, uh, mister

863
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,560
Speaker 1: Seth Lugo, and he's someone who this is this this,

864
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:07,400
Speaker 1: I mean that one really hard for US Mets fans

865
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: all year long because you're, like, I guess he was

866
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: a good starting pitcher the whole time. But he's a

867
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: guy who jump from sixty innings to one hundred and

868
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: four of the innings. His philocity went down season went on.

869
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: He still has the great curveball. He added a new

870
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: sweeper in September that all of a sudden looked amazing

871
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 1: as well. That was kind of better than his old

872
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: traditional slider. He's still also pitching peck Go, which is

873
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: just like the greatest place to pitch on Earth. The humidity,

874
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: the moisture, the big fences, the great defense like that was.

875
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: It was kind of it was weird things going around

876
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: this year. Like me, Michael Waka was like one of

877
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: the most valuable pitchers in baseball. He's fools gold.

878
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: I don't He's someone who I'm a little a little

879
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,840
Speaker 2: scared about. But but yeah, Lugo is interesting him in

880
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: my aia, just being these guys who have had arm issues,

881
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,719
Speaker 2: who are coming off huge workload increases. I have no

882
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 2: idea what they're gonna get or what they should get

883
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 2: or what they will get.

884
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and each pick one more

885
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: picture to talk about here before we get going into

886
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: our draft. I'm gonna let you. I'm gonna let you

887
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: have the first pick. You're the pitching guy. Pick one pitcher.

888
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: You get to get on your soapbox here and just

889
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: talk about for like a minute, who do you got this?

890
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,640
Speaker 3: You're gonna think I'm in saying Eric Fetty.

891
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: I know, I knew it was gonna be Eric Fetty.

892
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 1: I knew it. I saw the notes and I said,

893
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: I let you go first because I was gonna pick

894
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 1: Eric Fetty and just be like a jerk a little

895
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: bit and just like for a little bit. But I

896
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: knew you were gonna pick Eric Fetty, So go ahead,

897
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: go for him.

898
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 2: No Eric Fetty this year. I mean, you guys remember

899
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 2: him as being the guy in the Nationals that you'd be

900
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: like nice. Eric Fetty's pitching today. But he went to

901
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:28,760
Speaker 2: Korea this year and completely dominated the KBO twenty wins.

902
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 2: E La right, the two two hundred strikeouts under one whib.

903
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,280
Speaker 2: He was like flexing after strikeouts on the mound, he said.

904
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 2: Great article from Jesse Doerthy of the Washington Post, amazing

905
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: about Eric Fetty's transformation as a person, as a pitcher,

906
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 2: as an athlete, everything over the last year. Eric Fatty

907
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 2: said in that article that he couldn't go to restaurants

908
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: in Korea without getting completely mobbed by people, popability, everything,

909
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 2: he said.

910
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 3: He literally couldn't leave.

911
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: He said, Washington, he would go out and maybe one

912
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 2: person recognize him.

913
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 1: He said.

914
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: In Korea he literally couldn't walk down the street. He

915
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: was a complete global superstar over there. But the big

916
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: thing is that nine years in the pros basically, Eric

917
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: Fetty said that he never even knew a thing about

918
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 2: like pitch shapes and pitched his eye.

919
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:09,960
Speaker 1: Never shout out to Washington Nationals organization. Yeah, so a

920
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,319
Speaker 1: lot of everything was on the edge. He wasn't mind

921
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: with the Nationals organization anymore. Sold his house, went to Scottsdale,

922
00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: went to Push Performance, a pitching lab out there, got healthy,

923
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,360
Speaker 1: hit the weight room really hard and tweaked everything.

924
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 3: He said.

925
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 2: His shoulder, which is always an issue for him, and

926
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: felt better than ever. I think he had some bicep

927
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 2: ten to Nights two he got rid of. He learned

928
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: a new change up over there that apparently is disgusting.

929
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 2: He added more sweep to a slider and now looks

930
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: more like a sweeper than traditional slider. And he threw

931
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 2: those two pitches his fastball and his curveball all about

932
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: twenty five percent of the time. Something he said his

933
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: analytics staff and KBO told him to do four pitches,

934
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 2: throw him evenly and like, I don't know this, just this,

935
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 2: this smells to me like one of those crazy things

936
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: that he could look up next year and at the

937
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: All Star break. And Eric Fetty is like a three

938
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 2: to three ra like a twenty five percent strikeout rate

939
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,319
Speaker 2: for six next week. It might be the next Merle Kelly.

940
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: He might be the next Meryle Kelly. It's possible, but

941
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: I think he's a guy who, like you're filling out

942
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: the back of a rotation. There probably won't be crazy

943
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,359
Speaker 2: investment there. It's probably worth a shot to see if

944
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 2: Eric Fetty actually has become this global superstar.

945
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna also take a trip to Asia here and

946
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: talk about another Asian pitcher that's gonna be Shota Imanaga,

947
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: who you guys might remember if you watch the WBC

948
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 1: like I do, you're a freak about baseball. He pitched

949
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,359
Speaker 1: in the championship game against the USA in the World

950
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 1: Baseball Classic. He's a lefty, he's crafty. He's thirty years old.

951
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,960
Speaker 1: He's expected to be posted. I think at some point

952
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: he's at least actually was today. Oh really okay, perfect,

953
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: so even better he was posted today. And what's interesting

954
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:35,279
Speaker 1: about him is that one, he had a higher k

955
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,320
Speaker 1: rate in a lower walk rate than Yamamoto, which Yamoto

956
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: has been absolutely disgusting. So that's a good guy to

957
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: be better then at certain things. And if you look

958
00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: at his numbers of the last few years, he's a

959
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 1: guy who sits around that one hundred and forty hundred

960
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,279
Speaker 1: and fifty inning mark and he's had a sub three

961
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: ERA since like twenty twenty one, so the last few

962
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,399
Speaker 1: years he's really figured things out. This year we saw

963
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,400
Speaker 1: a huge jump in his k rate just in general. Mean,

964
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: he's just got good stuff. Like his fastball, as you

965
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: put in the notes, is perfect and makes sense. He's

966
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: another guy who comes from that low angle, but it

967
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 1: rides up and even if it's in the mid nineties.

968
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 1: It still looks good that slider's his primary off speed pitch.

969
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: The stuff looks great. He's crafty. He's probably just gonna

970
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: be like a middle of rotation guy, maybe back end

971
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: or whatever it's gonna be. But it seems like he's

972
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: gonna be able to make an impact in a rotation

973
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,280
Speaker 1: and again be happy to bring him into the city

974
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: field and the friendly confines in Queens. See how he

975
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: pitches out here.

976
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 2: Totally, it feels like his mark is gonna be more

977
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 2: similar to the code I sang is than Yoshinobu Yamamo,

978
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 2: though just because he is older. The workloads weren't crazy

979
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 2: similar to the code that is back in Japan the

980
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: last few years.

981
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 3: But he had much. He has much.

982
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 2: It seems like just walk so many less batters and

983
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 2: sang and that seems like that is a fact. And

984
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: he had more even more strikeouts over there than cod

985
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 2: that had the last few years. Still doesn't have the

986
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,919
Speaker 2: ghost fork, which is a defining factor. Like I'm worried

987
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: about Imanago, whether any of these officeed pitches translated Imanaga.

988
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 2: I tried to italianize the name tic, but yeah, a

989
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,919
Speaker 2: fastball shape's crazy and you guys, he was absolutely dialing

990
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: it up against lefties in the WBC. He got Kyle

991
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 2: Schworler looks too against it a few times that clips

992
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 2: around too, but he's someone's interesting and that was us

993
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 2: like taking as much time as we possibly could to

994
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 2: go over all these pitchers.

995
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 3: We're the length of normal episode.

996
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 2: We haven't talk about any other positions, but we still

997
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,360
Speaker 2: got Jack Flair, the Eduardo Rodriguez, Kyle Gibson, Mike Clevenger,

998
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: Michael Lorenz and Frankie Montes, Luis Severino, Tyler Moley, Brad

999
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:19,879
Speaker 2: Keller is a little sleeper. A lot of pitchers talk

1000
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 2: about here, a lot more guys. We're gonna talk to

1001
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: you guys about the rest of this offseason, and you know,

1002
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 2: anyone that the Mets do want to bring it in,

1003
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: it's definitely gonna be at least a starting pitcher brought

1004
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: in by this team. We're gonna go deep on them.

1005
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent, and as we go on throughout

1006
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,719
Speaker 1: the offseason, we'll probably like just sprinkle in one or

1007
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: two guys every single episode that we want to focus

1008
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: on that we think the Mets should get, which also

1009
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 1: leads us into what we're gonna wrap up the episode

1010
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:42,840
Speaker 1: here with a little bit, which is gonna be a

1011
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: little free agent draft. So me and James five picks each.

1012
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna do a snake draft, so we'll figure out

1013
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: who goes first here who doesn't you know what? Again,

1014
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 1: I could give you the first pick. I could give

1015
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: you the first pick, and I'll get I'll take two

1016
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,120
Speaker 1: of it on the backside of the snake draft here.

1017
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: But we're gonna draft the best fits for the New

1018
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 1: York Mets. So this doesn't necessarily mean who we think

1019
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: is the best talent available on the free agent market.

1020
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: We're simply going with who is the best fit, and

1021
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: we'll give a little reason why as well. So James,

1022
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: the honors are yours. The t box is yours. First pick,

1023
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: the first pick. Again, it's a nice of you wow

1024
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: with the generous co host, but it's it's.

1025
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 2: Gonna be Yoshinobyamo Tho very easily. I think he's I

1026
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:22,839
Speaker 2: think he's the best pitcher on the market. The Mets

1027
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 2: need a frontline starting pitcher. He throws really hard. He

1028
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 2: has multiple offspeed offerings that are great. Him and Koda

1029
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 2: Sango already seemed like to have a pretty good relationship

1030
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 2: that could possibly grow a little bit.

1031
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: And I just I think that he is. He could

1032
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: come here be a star immediately.

1033
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 1: Yeah they I mean that's there's there's two picks that

1034
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 1: should be going number one. It's either Yoshinoma Yamamoto or

1035
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: the other Japanese guy by the name of sho Heo Tani,

1036
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: which I will be taking. I don't care if he

1037
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: can't pitch ever again in his career. The guy is

1038
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,400
Speaker 1: one of the better hitters in Major League Baseball right now.

1039
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 1: I'd love to see him come to Queens if he

1040
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: ever figures out how to pitch again. With the Tommy

1041
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: John stuff that's going on, even better, I if I

1042
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 1: right in the checks and had all the money to

1043
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: make the decisions show. Hayo Tani is the number one

1044
00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: guy going after without a doubt, the most talented player

1045
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,560
Speaker 1: we have ever seen in Major League Baseball history. Doesn't

1046
00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: mean the best, but in terms of sheer talent in

1047
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: a vacuum, there has been nobody more talented than Shoeo Tani.

1048
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:16,720
Speaker 1: And he'll get a chance to play in a playoff

1049
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: game out in New York and he's like he's not

1050
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: gonna do that with the Angels. He's leaving them. Come

1051
00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 1: to the East Coast. See what it's all about. You've

1052
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: seen La It's an overrated city. Come to the best

1053
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: city in the world in New York. So show heo.

1054
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: Tani is gonna be my first pick there. Coming now

1055
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,719
Speaker 1: back on the backside of this draft, I'm gonna go

1056
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: on the pitching side, and I'm gonna I'm gonna take

1057
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,040
Speaker 1: Aaron Nole. I think Aaron Nola is the guy that

1058
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: you probably had circled as well as maybe your next pick.

1059
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: We just talked about how great he is and just

1060
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: the fact that he's gonna give us consistent innings in

1061
00:40:45,120 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: a better ballpark with a better defense. I'm super interested

1062
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: in what that could possibly look like, because it looked

1063
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: pretty darn good in Philadelphia.

1064
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Lagray Philadelphia. We just talked to you guys a

1065
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: lot about both of these pitchers. We just said, we're

1066
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 2: not gonna kill it, but I think there's a lot

1067
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 2: of positive aggression that could happen for Aaron Ola if

1068
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 2: he did come to the Mets, and just someone who

1069
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 2: could be so stable in middle's rotation, just throw a

1070
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 2: lot of innings. I love guys to throw innings. You

1071
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 2: guys know how much I love innings either, so and he's, oh,

1072
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: he's the best one. Next day, I'm going to say,

1073
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 2: we haven't talked about the bullpen yet. That's been a

1074
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 2: real hot button issue for a lot of Mets fans recently.

1075
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:16,840
Speaker 2: A lot of questions about the bullpen on Twitter, a

1076
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: lot of people being like, what we're gonna do about

1077
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 2: this bullpen? And I think this is one that I

1078
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 2: don't know if he's gonna he would want to come

1079
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: because I think that this person wants to be a

1080
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 2: closer and we have Edwin Diaz so that we cannot

1081
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 2: get a better closer because there's not one on earth.

1082
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 2: But I would I would say, hey, Josh either, what

1083
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 2: do you want, Like, how do you want to come

1084
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: here and do this? Because, as Mets fans know, as

1085
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 2: baseball fans know, sometimes you play the free agent market

1086
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 2: with relievers and it can get a little bit sketchy.

1087
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: You just you try to go for these guys in

1088
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 2: the middle. You're Antonio Bistardos, You're I mean.

1089
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 1: You just gotta bring up that name.

1090
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, so happy you give a reliever anywhere

1091
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,560
Speaker 2: from like seven to eleven million dollars and you're like,

1092
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: this did not work out how I wanted it to

1093
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: work out. It always kind of feels that way over time,

1094
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 2: and I think that is something that is just because

1095
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 2: as I tell you, guys, a lot relievers are very

1096
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,799
Speaker 2: fickle your over year, the stats that most people used

1097
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 2: to judge these players are not really stats there and

1098
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 2: taking to the future success guys, remember Aaron loop cra

1099
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: a couple of years ago.

1100
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,480
Speaker 3: He has been horrific since that happened.

1101
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Now saying that's not someone who can be a good

1102
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 2: player again, because that's how relieving works. But it's just

1103
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 2: kind of how you have to judge these relief pitchers.

1104
00:42:19,040 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: So I think that is that's an important thing to

1105
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 2: think about right now. And that's kind of why I

1106
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: think that guy getting a guy like hey, who you

1107
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 2: can give money to. He's completely proven. He had that

1108
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 2: one weird slip up two years ago. And then some

1109
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 2: of David Stearns is a lot familiar lairly with. I'm

1110
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: sure he credits David Stearns and NEM Milwaukee front office

1111
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 2: with a lot of the reasons that he became so

1112
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,799
Speaker 2: good recently. But it's all about whether or not he's

1113
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,839
Speaker 2: willing to be a guy who I don't know, who

1114
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 2: isn't who isn't going to be the guy anymore. Like

1115
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: that'll take a lot, And that can also be a

1116
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: conversation you have with Edwin DS because one of these

1117
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 2: guys are left he and one of these guys are righty,

1118
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: Like that can be the greatest two headed monster in

1119
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: relief that we've basically ever seen in baseball, and you

1120
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:58,920
Speaker 2: get if everyone's on board, like we saw in the

1121
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: DS pitch a lot of Ethan the last year he

1122
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: was held twenty twenty two, and that's something that we

1123
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: applaud it. That was great when you're facing a more

1124
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,279
Speaker 2: more scary part of the lineup in the eighth thing

1125
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 2: of the ninth, and your better pictures bitually eighth instead

1126
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 2: of the ninth. That was something I thought was kind

1127
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 2: of weird in the postseason. These managers weren't managining like that.

1128
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,719
Speaker 2: But to have both of those guys say I can

1129
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 2: get anywhere either any lefty out in any second of

1130
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,879
Speaker 2: any day, I think that's kind of beautiful, especially when

1131
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:21,359
Speaker 2: like neither of them even struggled with the other side

1132
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 2: of the plate anyway. Yeah, especially a guy like Hey

1133
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 2: the like to have that slider sinker against any lefty

1134
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: that you possibly see.

1135
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 1: Maybe a guy like Bryce Harper, I don't know.

1136
00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 3: We see him a good amount College four ye, Matt Olson, Yeah.

1137
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: Maybe see those guys a little bit. But shopping in

1138
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: the middle class relief market a lot of times comes

1139
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 2: back to burn you, and Davidson has never done that

1140
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: in the past. So it would be not not something

1141
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: I expect, but getting probably the two of the four

1142
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 2: best relievers in the entire sport, two three, maybe even

1143
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:50,040
Speaker 2: the top two best relievers in the entire sport, and

1144
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 2: I think will go a really long way to against

1145
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 2: solidifying his bullpen like Mets fans really want. Then my

1146
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: next pick naked, yes, naked back slify the rotation more.

1147
00:43:58,080 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna stay away from Blakes now because I'm scared.

1148
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: Of him, but I would, I would. I would give.

1149
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: Sonny Gray a nice three year deal for what he wants,

1150
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: probably maybe if it's not crazy, and then that's the

1151
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 2: kind of guy who were you. Let's say you have

1152
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:12,839
Speaker 2: Jamodo and Sanga and then you have Sonny Gray again,

1153
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: because we're playing on my draft year, like that's suddenly

1154
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 2: now a top three of your rotation. We're like, I'm

1155
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 2: comfortable going into the season, going into a playoff series

1156
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:21,719
Speaker 2: with these three guys as my three guys. Sonny Gray

1157
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:27,080
Speaker 2: game one, I'm not super comfortable. Say Grand Games three awesome.

1158
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 3: I'm awesome.

1159
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 2: And he already told you guys all about him, So

1160
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 2: you guys got that.

1161
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 3: But I think a lot of good things can happen

1162
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 3: with Sonny Gray.

1163
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,879
Speaker 1: All right, great, you left the guy that I thought

1164
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: you were gonna go with my game gog, Jordan Montgomery.

1165
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: I would take Jordan Montgomery in this rotation again. Like

1166
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: you said, innings eater solid. We saw what he was

1167
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: able to do when he got out of Yankee Stadium.

1168
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: I'm all about it, and can never have too many

1169
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: South Carolina game cocks hanging around, queen. So I'm gonna

1170
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,399
Speaker 1: go Jordan Montgomery round three. Bringing it back to round four,

1171
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to the offensive side here again, and

1172
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take ta Oscar Hernandez. Tay Oscar Loki had

1173
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: a really, really good ending to the season. He was

1174
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 1: one of the hotter bats down the stretch part of

1175
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 1: their push for the postseason, and what I like about

1176
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: tay Oscar is while he's probably a DH, like in

1177
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: a perfect world, he's your DH because he's not a

1178
00:45:09,840 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 1: particularly great defensive outfielder. He can still play it though

1179
00:45:13,080 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 1: he's not like inept, He's not incapable of playing left

1180
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: field or right field, whatever it is. But if you

1181
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: look at what Taoscar Hernandez has been able to do

1182
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 1: the last three years playing with Toronto and Seattle, he's

1183
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 1: averaging about one hundred and forty five games a year

1184
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,280
Speaker 1: with twenty eight homers, thirty one doubles, ninety five RBIs

1185
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: and eight h three ops. The Mets lineup is pretty solid.

1186
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,399
Speaker 1: But you throw another right handed bat like that into

1187
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 1: the lineup at DH or outfielder, whatever it's gonna be

1188
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: on any given day, Yeah, that makes that lineup a

1189
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,640
Speaker 1: little bit longer, a little bit scarier. Hate to shout

1190
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: out the Phillies, you know what I want. I'm gonna

1191
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: shout the Texas Rangers. You look at that lineup, it

1192
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,959
Speaker 1: was a very very long lineup. They won a World

1193
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,359
Speaker 1: Series because there were no easy outs. If you throw

1194
00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: a guy like ta Oscar Hernandez in there, we know

1195
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: how big of a problem the DH was the past season. Yeah,

1196
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: that Mets lineup would be looking pretty pretty good.

1197
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 3: All right, Well again, throw a got you.

1198
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm pretty happy that you just left the guy I

1199
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,479
Speaker 2: wanted on the board here, and that's another dag option.

1200
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 2: I think he is someone who was a little more

1201
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: reliable and a little more consistent than Taoskar Hernandez for

1202
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: a lot of the reasons that you has mentioned.

1203
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: But it is Jorge Solaire and oh I.

1204
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: Was thinking about him.

1205
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: The thing that you're losing with Solaire compared to the

1206
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,960
Speaker 2: Oscar is that while Teoskar can play the outfield, okay,

1207
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 2: but you don't want him to do it in a

1208
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 2: perfect world, Horace Hilaire really can't really so much. If

1209
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 2: you're signing Hojgece Hilaire like you are, this is this

1210
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759
Speaker 2: is now our DH and he's like, maybe he can

1211
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 2: do it once in a while, but more or less, this.

1212
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 3: Is your designated hither.

1213
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: But with Horace Hilaire does a lot better than Thiosk Carnandez, which,

1214
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 2: to bring up your last point, something that the Texas

1215
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 2: Rangers did significantly better in the Philadelphia Phillies and why

1216
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:43,759
Speaker 2: they were able to beat the vaunted Arizona Diamonbacks when

1217
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: the Phillies lost to them in seven games, including the

1218
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 2: last two games in their beloved home ballpark, which I

1219
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: remember very fondly. Cess Hilaire strikes out with especially chases

1220
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 2: significt lesson taoskar Hernandez. While taosk Hernandez has some of

1221
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 2: the best power numbers in the whole league, he's been

1222
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,880
Speaker 2: running a barrel raate at the ad or better than

1223
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 2: ninety percent tile basically since he became a full time

1224
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: player a few years ago in Toronto. He still will

1225
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 2: just chase every single thing he loves, making the strikes

1226
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 2: so bigger. He was one of the worst whift rates

1227
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 2: in the league when the worst chase racing league, when

1228
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 2: the worstrikekert racing the league, one of the lowest walk

1229
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: rates in the league, and again while he hits the

1230
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 2: crap out of the ball on a very consistent basis.

1231
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,799
Speaker 2: Those are things that I think will wear down over time,

1232
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: especially a guy like t Alas Carnandez leaves his athletic

1233
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 2: prime at thirty one, becomes their two thirty three to

1234
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:25,800
Speaker 2: thirty four years old, so I'm sure he's going to

1235
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 2: command a multi year deal whereas Solaire, he's been improving

1236
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 2: his chase right year after year. He's been improving his

1237
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 2: care raadi year after year. They can't right in the

1238
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:34,080
Speaker 2: whif rate. They're still not very good of the chase

1239
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 2: rate seventy fifth percentile this past year, which I shocked

1240
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,479
Speaker 2: me when I saw earlier today and his walk grade

1241
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 2: above eleven percent this year, and he hits such long

1242
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: home runs, say like you just want to look at them,

1243
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 2: and the fact that he was able to get to

1244
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 2: this prodigious power this thirty six home runs and five

1245
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 2: hundred play the appearances five hundred that bad time mean

1246
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,840
Speaker 2: in Miami, Miami makes City Field look like Yankee Stadium.

1247
00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: Like that is the guy who like you really, you

1248
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 2: guys want to right handed power about you want to

1249
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 2: slify the h position. Put Horace Hilaire in the middle

1250
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 2: of the batting order. I don't think he's gonna cost

1251
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: that much because everyone knows he can't play the field.

1252
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: I think Kyle Schwarber is even gonna get like his

1253
00:48:08,080 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: contract and a couple off seasons ago. It is can

1254
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,000
Speaker 2: probably even fifteen to twenty percent more than Horace Hilarior

1255
00:48:12,000 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 2: gets this offseason because he was younger then, and he

1256
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: has a bigger name. She's let me get let me

1257
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 2: get my hands on Horace Hilari and see what he

1258
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:19,400
Speaker 2: can do in the middle of this lineup.

1259
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:21,879
Speaker 1: And then my right last last pick.

1260
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 2: I want to talk about something we haven't talked about.

1261
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 3: But because if we're talking about I've got a couple.

1262
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: Of weirder names. Yeah, five slot for me.

1263
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess this could be like the the

1264
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 2: Pope Irie. I if I want to throw a weird

1265
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:33,920
Speaker 2: pitcher out there, I think someone.

1266
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 3: Should do it.

1267
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: Why don't you do it.

1268
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do that one.

1269
00:48:37,280 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do that one. I really picked my

1270
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 2: lefty reliever. Don't worry, I got that one. But someone

1271
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: who I think is so sneaky who I love to

1272
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: give a shot to, is Frankie Montis. The last time,

1273
00:48:46,520 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: the last time we saw Frankie Montas pitch a full

1274
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: season on a team that wasn't the New York Yankees.

1275
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 2: He was absolutely filthy, disgusting out in Oakland. I'm pulling

1276
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: up the stats right now that year twenty twenty one

1277
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: through one hundred ninety, and.

1278
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 3: He's had three three ERA.

1279
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 2: He had a twenty seven percent striker race, seven percent

1280
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,359
Speaker 2: walk grate. He's had armed problems the last few years.

1281
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 2: The Yankees almost seems like they might like overdo what

1282
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 2: they do in pitching development with new guys and like

1283
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: kind of inundate them with so much information that you

1284
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 2: kind of lose track of what the heck is going on.

1285
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Speaker 2: But I think Frankie mont is someone who isn't gonna

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Speaker 2: cost any money because he really didn't pitch at all

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Speaker 2: this year through one inning through one hundred and four

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Speaker 2: of the year before, and was not good once he

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Speaker 2: got to the Yankees, just by having a really good

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Speaker 2: first half for Oakland, and he had some arm troubles

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Speaker 2: in twenty nine. Oh, he had no he had the

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Speaker 2: PDEs mentioned twenty nineteen that cut his breakout season short. Okay,

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Speaker 2: forget about that one. But he is someone who is

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Speaker 2: still just thirty years old. I think he might have

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Speaker 2: actually will be thirty one soon. He'll turn now March

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Speaker 2: right before the season, will turn thirty one, which is

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00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 2: not very old for a pitcher, especially a starting pitcher

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Speaker 2: that only has less than six hundred innings in his

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Speaker 2: major league career.

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Speaker 1: High upside.

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Speaker 3: There a lot of relievers I'd like to mention as well,

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Speaker 3: but I think we were gonna do.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a reliever market might develop a little

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00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 2: more slowly to some of the other markets in leagues,

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Speaker 2: So I think, well, those are guys will probably be

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Speaker 2: able to talk about a lot in the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: But give me Frankie Montas as my wildcard last pick

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Speaker 2: of the free agent draft.

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Speaker 1: I like that. That's good. Upside with Frankie Montas. You

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Speaker 1: kind of made me think, now, should I just be

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Speaker 1: going with a crazy upside guy or should I go

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Speaker 1: with one of my Should I go with one of

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Speaker 1: my guys.

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Speaker 2: Here, James, I mean, I think, I know, I mean

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Speaker 2: guy where you're going, But.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm not going with that guy. I'm going with

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Speaker 1: another one. If you remember back to the COVID days,

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Speaker 1: hanging out in the apartment out in Astoria, just being

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00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: bored guys on baseball savant, seeing pitchers that do these

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Speaker 1: just arbitrary things that we like. You throw like ninety

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Speaker 1: five plus, you have a high k rate, you throw

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Speaker 1: four pitches. This guy's in relief and he was picked

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Speaker 1: up for pretty much nothing by the Rays at one

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Speaker 1: point this year. That's gonna be Robert Stevenson, someone who

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Speaker 1: as soon as I just like found out about him

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Speaker 1: and got my eyes on, I was like, why why

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00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 1: haven't any smart teams gotten this guy yet? Because he

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Speaker 1: does everything like you would want. Like I said, through

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Speaker 1: ninety seven with his fastball this year, he's got a

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Speaker 1: wipeout slider cutter combination. If you look at his Baseball

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00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: Savant page, it's just all red. His hard hit rate

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00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: was like insane. You had a thirty eight percent k

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00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:56,839
Speaker 1: rate an eight percent walk rate, Like this guy can

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Speaker 1: be a super super high leverage back into the bullpen

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Speaker 1: m that isn't named Edwin Diaz, which the Mets could

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Speaker 1: definitely use. So Robert Stevenson's gonna be my last pick.

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Speaker 1: There got to a little bit weird, go a little crazy,

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Speaker 1: but why not for the number five.

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Speaker 2: Robert Stevenson when he was picked up by the Rays

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00:51:12,840 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: in the beginning of June until the end of the year,

1341
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 2: had a forty three percent strikeut rate in a six

1342
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 2: percent walk right with an up with a tube and

1343
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:23,680
Speaker 2: the Ray started with a two and just no one

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00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: even got close to him. I'm trying to load the

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00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: leaders to that part of the year, but got a

1346
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 2: lot wacky for me. But Stevenson is someone who he's

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: not a guy like, how much money is he really

1348
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: going to get? Like him and I put Jake Deekman

1349
00:51:33,560 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: together because the Rays got both of them, totally saved

1350
00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 2: their bullpen and the race started the year. Is a

1351
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 2: good offensive team with a bad bullpen, and by the

1352
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,399
Speaker 2: end of the year they were the old Rays again

1353
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 2: with like the best bullpen in the league on random

1354
00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:45,040
Speaker 2: guys they picked up midway through the year and no offense,

1355
00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:47,359
Speaker 2: which is kind of funny and ironic. But those two

1356
00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 2: guys both like there, there's so much there. But like

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Speaker 2: I do, I don't know if teams will trust them.

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00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 2: I don't know how much weight they're gonna hold like

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00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: three months at the end of the season. Same with

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Speaker 2: the guy like Ronaldo Lopez, same with the guy.

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Speaker 3: Like Jordan Hicks.

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Speaker 2: William Hendricks is gonna be really interesting case. Hector Narry's

1363
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:01,839
Speaker 2: gonna be really interesting, like this reliever David Robertson's gonna

1364
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 2: be a really interesting case. Like the way this reliever

1365
00:52:03,719 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: market develops. I think it's gonna be fascinating, but I

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Speaker 2: think it does leave a lot of a lot of

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00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 2: meat on the bone.

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Speaker 3: For David Stearns and the Mets oh.

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, and of course, guys, we will be

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Speaker 1: going over all the free agents that are being talked

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Speaker 1: about signed whatever it is, on the Mets Up podcast,

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Speaker 1: So make sure you are following us and downloading the

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00:52:19,280 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: podcast and doing all that good stuff, as well as

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Speaker 1: let us know who do you think won the draft,

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00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 1: Who do you think had a better best fit? Top five? Here,

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00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,759
Speaker 1: me or James. We'd love to hear from you guys

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00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:29,960
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Speaker 3: At James Underscore Schiano.

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Speaker 1: And me at draftneck Mark with a C. Thank you

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Speaker 1: guys for listening and watching, and we'll catch you on

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Speaker 1: the next episode of the Mets Up Podcast. Peace out,

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Speaker 1: peace up.

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Speaker 3: See you guys next time.