1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:09,239 Speaker 1: It's that time. Time, time, time, luck and load. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 2: The Michael Varry Show is on the air. 3 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: With the longest government shut down in American history over. 4 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: Minnesota's Governor Timmy Waltz is very, very excited. He talked 5 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: about it on his podcast. 6 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 3: Hello America. You are listening to the number twelve most popular. 7 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: Podcast just out of Canada, and we are don't think 8 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: to have you. Who's got the slack, who's got the plan? Yes, 9 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 1: Timmy Walls, he's. 10 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 2: The manly man. 11 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 1: With a mic in his hand and a lass of bread. 12 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:35,080 Speaker 3: He's having wisdom, Bunkie, Timmy Walls, don't put no games. 13 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 3: Super excited today if we feel like good times, come on. 14 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 3: The government is back open after forty three days of darkness. 15 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: Time for the walls of pot. 16 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 3: So Republicans. You can shut up because the shutdown is over. 17 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: No thanks to you. 18 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: Now, I did have my assistant Bruise take a poll, 19 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 3: and you know I love a good poll, and the 20 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 3: results show that white males are blaming Democrats. 21 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 4: For the shut mail. 22 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 5: Ridiculous. 23 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 3: Listen, it's a well known fact. I'm the voice of 24 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,920 Speaker 3: the white American red blooded mail. You know, the manly man. 25 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 3: So allow the old ball coach to explain this in 26 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 3: terms you'll understand. Like any good football coach, you gotta 27 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 3: be good at the p's and q's. 28 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: You see, the. 29 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 3: Democrats, we move the baseball right down the field and 30 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 3: hit a touchdown. 31 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: We grabbed the ball laid it up for a home run. 32 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: The Democrats. 33 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 3: You see, we shot a triple and made more runs 34 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,519 Speaker 3: than those Republicans. So you Republicans, you can burn us 35 00:02:35,520 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: and eat my rubber. Feel so good to be a 36 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 3: man ug At that time's getting away from me. 37 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: I'm gonna miss my peny turtle. Then, the impacts of 38 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: the shutdown are being reported as follows. Forty two million 39 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: in lost snap benefits, forty two million people, five point 40 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:20,079 Speaker 1: two million airline passengers impacted, one point four million federal 41 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:26,359 Speaker 1: workers missed paychecks, and fifteen billion dollars lost per week 42 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: in what was it a five week shutdown, so seventy 43 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: five billion dollars. I don't know how it affected you 44 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: in a tangible way that you felt. The thing I 45 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: heard the most from was the airport, And I truly 46 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: believe that there was an effort made by some people 47 00:03:54,960 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: to make it more difficult on us to make the 48 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,800 Speaker 1: shutdown more painful to cause problems for Trump. We know 49 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 1: that shutdown. Schumer worked very hard behind the scenes to 50 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: keep the government shut down. We know that two weeks 51 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: into it, twenty days ago, he told the moderate Democrats 52 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: who were looking to who were looking to vote to 53 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 1: end they were looking to vote with their own conscience, 54 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: that they couldn't do that, that he would punish them 55 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: if they did that, and so they did not. Finally, 56 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: I think enough of them were catching hell. And what 57 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: ends up happening is this is what this is the 58 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: really dirty part of the way legislative bodies work. John 59 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: Cornyn is very deep into this part of the process. 60 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: Eight Democrat senators voted to kill the end the filibuster 61 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,680 Speaker 1: so that the government could reopen, and that those eight 62 00:05:09,760 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: senators don't necessarily vote their conscience. If they had, Kristin 63 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:18,279 Speaker 1: Cinema would have voted to close it. Fetterman, I believe, 64 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: genuinely believed, because he was saying it constantly, we need 65 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: to end the shutdown. But of those eight Durban, Hussan, King, Cortes, 66 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: mastow Kin, Shaheen, Rosen, and of course Fetterman, what will 67 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: typically be done? And I haven't looked. I should look, 68 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 1: but I haven't looked. What will typically be done is 69 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 1: a senator who's up for a re election who needs 70 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: to show that who has like a Democrat challenger in 71 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: his primary. That guy can't vote with the Republicans. That 72 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: guy can't do what's best for the country if it 73 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: looks like he's helping the Republicans. That guy has to 74 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: do the most Democrat thing possible because he's got a primary. 75 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 1: Se isn't coming up. But if you're a guy that 76 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,600 Speaker 1: was elected two years ago, you got a six year term, 77 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: you're one of the guys that can follow on your 78 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: sword and vote with the Republicans because it's going to 79 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: be four years before you're up for reelection and voters 80 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: you will have had a lot of other manufactured crises 81 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: in the meantime. Part of why these crises are manufactured 82 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: is if you leave people alone and let them live 83 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 1: their lives, they'll go by beach houses and lake houses. 84 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: They'll hunt and they'll fish, they'll go to sporting events, 85 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: they'll take on projects, they'll volunteer, they'll prepare for a marathon, 86 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: they'll travel, they'll build businesses. So the challenge of politics 87 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: is you have to keep it top of mind for 88 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:58,039 Speaker 1: Americans all the time, because if Americans are not obsessed 89 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: with politics every moment of every they won't keep giving 90 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: money to it. They won't keep feeding the beast. And 91 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: if you've ever made the mistake of making a political contribution, 92 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 1: you know they're going to hit you for the rest 93 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: of your life. You're going to get mail, You're going 94 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: to get email, you're going to get text messages. They're 95 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: never going to stop. Because there's two types of people. 96 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: People who give multiple times to politicians and people who've 97 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: never given before and will never give again. They're not 98 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: a contributor. The person they're going after is the person 99 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: who is prone to write a check, because if you've 100 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: made a donation before, you're a person comfortable making a donation. 101 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,320 Speaker 1: Doesn't make you rich because it can be small donations, 102 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: but you're a person who is willing to do it. 103 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: And if your person is willing to do it, that's 104 00:07:47,080 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: where all the energy is directed. You're the one. You're 105 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: the one that they want, and you're not going to 106 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: give money if you haven't seen them in the news, 107 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: if there is not some issue that the reason highly 108 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: polarized politics is good for everybody in the industry. People, 109 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: can't we all just get along? No, because then you 110 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: won't contribute. They have to keep you on edge. Well, well, well, 111 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: lucky you. The Michael Ferry Show continues. 112 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:16,200 Speaker 6: Lucky today. 113 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: What they have found out? 114 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 4: Okay, thank you everybody who have responded to Michael Berry's 115 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 4: pobable about is you or is you not circumscribed? And 116 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 4: it turned out ninety foul mescent of the Israeli means 117 00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:43,400 Speaker 4: and Canadians and the United States and all the Arab 118 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 4: countries is circumscribed. 119 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: And what else? 120 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 4: They don't even care. I don't know how to feel 121 00:08:49,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 4: about it. What you think was it was this? 122 00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even know where my Virginia 123 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: start and end. 124 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 4: Girl, Oh my god. 125 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: The families of multiple campers and two councilors at Camp 126 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,840 Speaker 1: Mystic who died in the July fourth flooding have filed 127 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:16,359 Speaker 1: suit against the camp, saying gross negligence and reckless disregard 128 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 1: for safety led to a quote self created disaster end 129 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: quote that claimed the lives of twenty eight people total. 130 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: The story from ABC News It's gonna be clip number 131 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:30,479 Speaker 1: eight ramon. 132 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 7: This morning. The families of children and counselors who died 133 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 7: in the historic July fourth flooding at Camp Mystic in 134 00:09:39,720 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 7: Texas are suing the camp and its owners for negligence. 135 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 7: Twenty five young girls and two teen councilors were killed 136 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 7: when the Guadalupe River rose more than twenty feet in 137 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,559 Speaker 7: less than two hours. Now, the families of five of 138 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,400 Speaker 7: the girls and two of the councilors insist the tragedy 139 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 7: was avoidable. 140 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: Camp is supposed to be a safe place. 141 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 7: In one of three lawsuits wild Yesterday, the families say 142 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 7: the girls died because a for profit camp put profit 143 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 7: over safety. The lawsuit accuses Camp Mystic of housing the 144 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 7: girls in flood prown cabins to avoid the cost of 145 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:15,240 Speaker 7: relocating them, and of failing to create or practice an 146 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 7: evacuation plan. It claims that even after a flash flood warning, 147 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 7: the staff spent time moving equipment instead of children. 148 00:10:23,160 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: Seales life ended not because of an unavoidable act of nature, 149 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: but because of preventable failures. 150 00:10:31,240 --> 00:10:33,439 Speaker 7: A lawyer for the camp said keeping the girls in 151 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 7: their cabins was the right thing to do. Do not 152 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,199 Speaker 7: take nine year old girls who weighs sixty three pounds 153 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 7: on average into raging floodwaters, they're going to get washed away. 154 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 7: In a new statement, a camp lawyer calls the flood unprecedented, 155 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 7: saying no adequate warning systems existed. The camp saying it 156 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 7: empathizes with the families but disagrees with several accusations. 157 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: Well, July, August, September, October, North it's been four months now. 158 00:11:09,120 --> 00:11:13,319 Speaker 1: I put off this conversation when it was fresh because 159 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: it was so fresh and so raw, and more information 160 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: is coming forward now, and I think it's probably a 161 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: time to begin to have this conversation. I know some people. 162 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:30,800 Speaker 1: I've noticed that some people will say, right after this happened, well, 163 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:36,640 Speaker 1: don't start asking questions. It's inappropriate. It just happened. Let 164 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: people grieve fair. Those same people that now when you 165 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: ask the question, hey, let's talk about what was done. 166 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk about let's children died. You've got to ask questions. 167 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that upsets people that you ask questions. But 168 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: the same people who said, no, no, it's too early, 169 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: it's disrespectful to the deceased. Okay, I'll respect that. Those 170 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: same people now say what's done is done. Why are 171 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: you digging up the past? That's a technique you use 172 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: to prevent ever asking questions. Some people don't like to 173 00:12:15,800 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: confront difficult issues. I'm the opposite. I want to get 174 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: in there and wallow around in it. I want to 175 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: discuss every different angle. I want to talk it through. 176 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:30,000 Speaker 1: Maybe you save a child's life in the future, maybe 177 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:35,439 Speaker 1: you save the camping industry. Maybe you give people some relief, 178 00:12:36,080 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: maybe you at least bring some sense of closure. But 179 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:44,719 Speaker 1: that's what you do. That's what civilized people do. They 180 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: don't just pretend that it didn't happen. So we're making 181 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 1: a movie. I have a smaller role than Sean Welling, 182 00:12:54,960 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: who is the filmmaker. Lee Majors is the narrator, and 183 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: it's about the heroism of the kids and those who 184 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,080 Speaker 1: did do everything they could. And I think everybody involved 185 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 1: in everything good to save the children. It's just a 186 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: question of whether everything was done ahead of time. And 187 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: these are healthy questions. And Sean Welling, the filmmaker's a 188 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 1: long time friend of mine for almost twenty five years, 189 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 1: and he wanted to interview me for the film Fun 190 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 1: and he does not agree with my opinion on the issue, 191 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: which is that I suspect that insufficient effort was taken 192 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:39,440 Speaker 1: to ensure the safety of these kids. And I don't 193 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: mean that day necessarily, although I'd still like to learn 194 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: more about that, but that these camps were in a 195 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: location where flooding is sufficiently likely. That doesn't mean every week, 196 00:13:54,880 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: even every year, but the likelihood was high enough that 197 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: balanced against the potential for deadly results. Probably was not 198 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 1: the best idea, probably the best, not the best thing 199 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: to do. This wasn't but for putting it on this space. 200 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: This camp doesn't exist. Those camps were cashing in, which 201 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: is fine. I want everybody to make as much money 202 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 1: as they possibly can. But in the meantime, I think 203 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: there is a duty incumbent upon you when you do this, 204 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: to create the most safe place for these children should 205 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: this happen. Sean and I got into a i'll call 206 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,880 Speaker 1: it a spirited discussion, but he had the whole film 207 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: crew there. There were probably twelve people in the room 208 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: with us, and you know, I'm barking at him, and 209 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: he's because I'm pretty passionate. Anyway, i'd like to I'm 210 00:14:58,760 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: sure many of you have thought somewhat happened on that 211 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: day seven one three one. 212 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Thus to your ears, this is the Michael Arry show. 213 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,800 Speaker 1: A lawsuit has been filed by some of the families 214 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 1: of the of the campers who perished in the July 215 00:15:23,480 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: fourth flooding at Camp Mystic Campers and their counselors. Toe 216 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: to the counselors Chloe Childress, who was eighteen. She was 217 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: set to go to the University of Texas, as was 218 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: her friend Catherine Feruso, nineteen. We have mutual friends with 219 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: both of those families in some of the some of 220 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 1: the kids as well. It's just regardless how all this 221 00:15:51,640 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: turns out, lawsuits, liability, blame, responsibility changes, it's it breaks 222 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,200 Speaker 1: your heart. It breaks your heart for the families because 223 00:16:03,240 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: you never you know, you send your kid to camp, 224 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: and you never expect that that'll be the last time 225 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: you see them. And I my heart goes out to 226 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: those families. That's in the evil I would wish upon someone, 227 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: even that one is too much. That that is a 228 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: pain I cannot imagine having to suffer. Elena, you're up, Hi, Michael, 229 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm good, dear her, are you? 230 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 8: I'm all right? We have a birthday in common. I 231 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 8: called you Monday and said happy birthday. I don't know 232 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 8: if Ramon told you, but we have a mutual birthday. 233 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't tell me anything. 234 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 8: Okay, well happy the lady birthday was Monday for me too. 235 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 8: I'm a little bit older than you, but happy birthday anyway. 236 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. My thoughts excuse me, I said, thank you? 237 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: Okay. 238 00:16:51,440 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 8: My thoughts on this is how come only little girls died, 239 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 8: not the little boys? And how come there wasn't a 240 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 8: life vest anywhere around those places where the children were sleeping? 241 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:09,200 Speaker 8: That's my question. How come it was just little girls. 242 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 8: They took the little boys out. They saved the little boys, 243 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 8: but not the little girls, and there was no lifevest 244 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 8: anywhere around. Do they even own life best at the cabins? 245 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: You know, Elena, one of the things that surprised me 246 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 1: the most in all of this is that life vests 247 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: are the cheapest thing. Now. I don't know if that 248 00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: would have saved the girls. I know it would have 249 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:36,399 Speaker 1: increased the likelihood that they survived. It strikes me that 250 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:39,119 Speaker 1: being in a flood zone like that, that would be 251 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: the sort of thing that you would have available, and 252 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: even as fast as those floodwaters were rising, you could 253 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: stage those in each unit you referenced. How come they 254 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: saved the boys and not the girls. It was a 255 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: different camp that the boys were at. And I think 256 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: there's a lot that goes into some of that, but 257 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: most of it, I think it's just the Camp Mystic location, 258 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:05,200 Speaker 1: because the girls who died were all in a particular 259 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: part of Camp Mystic. It wasn't every girl that was 260 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: at Camp Mystic. It was girls that were in a 261 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: particular cabin based on who they were moving and when 262 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: they were moving. But you know, one of the things 263 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: that has come up in my conversations and have had 264 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 1: a lot of them since then about this is several 265 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 1: people have made a statement to me something of the 266 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: effect of, well, yeah, you can go back now and 267 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: think about should they have life best or should they this? 268 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: And my point is, under a standard of law, let's 269 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: talk about the legal liability before you talk about the 270 00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: moral liability. Because you've taken in these you've taken in 271 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 1: little girls, So we don't need the law to be 272 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: involved to have a conversation about what's right and wrong. Right, 273 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: we don't have to have that. But several people have said, well, yeah, 274 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: you can go back now and say they should have 275 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: done this, and they should have done that, and should 276 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: have done this. The legal standard would be, is it 277 00:18:57,640 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: reasonable to assume but there was a reasonable likelihood of flooding. Well, 278 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,720 Speaker 1: you don't have to have flooding every week, every month, 279 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: every year, every decade for there to be a reasonable 280 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: likelihood of flooding. You look at the new houses that 281 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: are being built off Braiswood or Southmore or along the 282 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: Bayou anywhere in Houston, and you look at how they're 283 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,919 Speaker 1: building those houses up. Well, we don't flood that often, 284 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: but you know that the flooding likelihood is possible. I 285 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: was not aware there was a flood, and I think 286 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,520 Speaker 1: eighty seven there've been. I was not aware. Were you 287 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 1: aware that this area is known as flash Flood Alley? 288 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 1: I had no idea. In fact, partly because of the 289 00:19:46,320 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 1: movie and partly because I was I've been fascinated by this. 290 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: I have been reading and talking to people involved in this, 291 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: the firefighters along that region. They would tell you flooding 292 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:03,080 Speaker 1: is very likely. And the thing about it is this 293 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:07,159 Speaker 1: thing looks like at a water slide. It looks like 294 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: those those you know, the twist and turn things that 295 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: bring you down. It's like it funnels the water into 296 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: a channel that's a hard rock siding as I understand it. 297 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: So this thing, it is as if if you wanted 298 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: to create an element of flooding that would rise fast 299 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: and move swiftly. This would if you designed it. That's 300 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 1: how you design it, if that was your goal, which 301 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: of course nobody would, because now it's gonna fill up 302 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: faster because it's all a v cut through there. It's 303 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: gonna fill up faster, and it's gonna move faster, and 304 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: it's gonna funnel everything into that. That's the path that 305 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: the water is using to exit, just the way we 306 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 1: have values here, and they know this. It's called flash 307 00:20:56,080 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: flood alley. If you never had a flash flood there, 308 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 1: if you'd only had a flash flood oh about the 309 00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: era of the Alamo, it wouldn't be called flash flood alley. 310 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: And these are the sorts of things that a lawsuit 311 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: will discover and a story will be told, and it 312 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,920 Speaker 1: should be told. Now I have noticed I have received 313 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: some unkind more unkind? What are you eating? Honey? Is 314 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: that the honey I gave you? Who gave us that? 315 00:21:27,080 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 1: Somebody brought that to us? 316 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 2: Uh? 317 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 1: Somebody made that at their house, Uh, Steve, it says 318 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: it on there trip It's it's out of Brendham. Somebody 319 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: brought me that, and then I gave it to you, 320 00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: and you hurt my feelings byt trying to give it 321 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: away to Emily. And she told Nandita, who told me, oh, 322 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: saving your life, why you had a cough? 323 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:51,320 Speaker 8: Oh you oh? 324 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 1: I see? Okay, all right, all right, I'm glad you're 325 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: not on the microphone because I don't hear you cough. 326 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: So I've heard some comments that were most unkind, may 327 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 1: I say, from families of campers over the years. Not 328 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: campers there now, mind you, but campers over the years. 329 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,920 Speaker 1: And there is this idea that, well, we don't want 330 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: to question what happened at Camp Mystic because we don't 331 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,119 Speaker 1: want to we don't want to close Camp Mystic. Well 332 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: neither do I. I'm not trying to close Camp Mystic. 333 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: But there is this idea that there must be loyalty 334 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: to the cause. Okay, so we're just going to sacrifice 335 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: babies to the loyalty to the cause. This is the 336 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: same mindset in the Catholic Church that just kept moving 337 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,920 Speaker 1: pedophiles because when we don't want to hurt the church. 338 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: This is the same mindset at Penn State that protected, 339 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: Joe Paterno and an idiot. 340 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 5: This is the same mindset. Prepare for a complete meltdown 341 00:22:54,440 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 5: with more up to Michael Berry Show. People who didn't 342 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 5: live through it can't believe how big. 343 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: Kenny Rogers was in James. That's Kenny and Dottie And 344 00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: you're probably thinking, yeah, singing a Sonny and Share song. Well, yes, 345 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: technically written by Jimmy Holliday and Eddie Reeves or Ray Charles, 346 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: who first recorded it in nineteen seventy one. David, you're 347 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 1: on the Michael Berry Show. Welcome to the program, sir, Oh, 348 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: good morning. 349 00:23:31,920 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 6: I've been listening for about five years. I love your show. 350 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,680 Speaker 6: Thank you first time calling you. We're welcome calling to 351 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 6: comment about the can't miss it? Yep, can you hear me? 352 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 6: All right? 353 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,720 Speaker 1: I can hear you? Great, Okay. 354 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 6: I really feel a lot of compassion and I just 355 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 6: hate it for these families that lost their loved ones 356 00:23:57,720 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 6: in the flood, and I don't have any They're pity 357 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 6: for the uh, the owners or the people that you 358 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 6: know were in charge of making sure that camp was 359 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 6: safe for the children. Because this isn't the first time 360 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 6: something like this has happened. Myself I lost the baby brother. Gosh, 361 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 6: it's been a little over forty years now, but uh, 362 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 6: they lost everyone in the camp group. All the kids 363 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 6: have the cancelers. Who was on the pertin now it's 364 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 6: not to goud of Loupe and uh, it's just it's 365 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:30,960 Speaker 6: a terrible thing to h you know, I imagine a 366 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 6: thirty foot wall of water hitting your kids and washing 367 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 6: them down the river. It's just unbelievable, the uh anguish 368 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 6: and suffering those families are going through. And I don't 369 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 6: feel any pity. I don't feel any any sympathy towards 370 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 6: the camp you know staff and uh well, I mean 371 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 6: you know, not the staff, but the the actual people 372 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:55,600 Speaker 6: that are running it, because they could have taken plenty 373 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 6: of precautions. This isn't the first time it's happened. Like 374 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 6: I said, it has been over forty years ago, and 375 00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 6: I lost the baby brother to the same type of thing. 376 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 6: And he wasn't alone. Everyone just about in his group 377 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 6: was washed down the river. Half the counselors got washed. 378 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:13,919 Speaker 1: I mean it was terrible, David, I remember camp was that? 379 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,080 Speaker 1: Excuse me, what camp was that? Where your brother was was? 380 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:25,159 Speaker 6: Oh, I can't remember the name of it, but it 381 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 6: had to do with Hope Center, I think. But they 382 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 6: were camping on the Purdinwis River in the late seventies. 383 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 6: It's you can google it or whatever and pull it up. 384 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I will. I'm sure. How old were you at the. 385 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 6: Time, Oh gosh, I was about ten. It was seven 386 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 6: and a half. 387 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: Why were you not at the camp? Me? 388 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, I was. 389 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,160 Speaker 6: I wasn't a very good kid. I was out running 390 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,000 Speaker 6: the street and my brother was at camp trying to 391 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 6: you know, trying to do the camp thing. You know, 392 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 6: it was a good safe place for him, and we 393 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 6: were going to I'm a family was pretty ysfunctional. We're 394 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 6: going through a lot of things at the time, and 395 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 6: it seemed like it was a good place for him 396 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 6: to be for the summer. And you know, I wasn't 397 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,680 Speaker 6: expecting that it would be the last time I'd ever see. 398 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. I would imagine that's a lot for a ten 399 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,320 Speaker 1: year old kid to process. David, thank you for sharing 400 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,560 Speaker 1: your perspective, Sir Darcy, you're up. 401 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 9: Go ahead, Hey, Michael, I just wanted to say he 402 00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,400 Speaker 9: made a really great point about how houses are being 403 00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 9: built along raised by you now and in parts of 404 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 9: Houston that are prone to flooding. My husband's family had 405 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 9: property on the Frio River for thirty five years. And 406 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 9: all you have to do is go back and look 407 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 9: today at how houses along the Guadaloup and the Frio 408 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 9: River are being built, just like in Houston, to note 409 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 9: that the possibility of flooding is reasonable. And I think 410 00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 9: that that analogy she works really. 411 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 6: Well for this. 412 00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: With that in mind, Look what precaution do you recommend? 413 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: Are you saying how they built the cabin structures themselves. 414 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 9: Oh, I'm not an engineer, but I don't think the 415 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:16,960 Speaker 9: federal government should have given them permission to put cabins 416 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 9: for kids of any age, whether they're seventeen or you know, 417 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 9: in a flip stat I think that there's a reasonable 418 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 9: expectation to not do that. You put your craft cabins, 419 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 9: you put your camp fire sides, you put the things 420 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 9: that aren't inhabited at night in those areas. That's my 421 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 9: humble opinion. 422 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. My hesitation is, I wonder, so you can make 423 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,239 Speaker 1: it so that it's impossible to build if you make 424 00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 1: it hard enough, and some communities do that, and then 425 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: you can make it so that anyone can build anything anywhere, 426 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: and people will be reckless about the way they do that. 427 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 1: I don't know I would really. One of the things 428 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to information coming out about is so 429 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 1: my understanding is that floodwater rose faster than anyone could imagine, 430 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:28,680 Speaker 1: shockingly fast, and yet there were warnings. There were warnings 431 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 1: early enough that all things being equal, you could have 432 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: gotten the girls out of there on buses if that 433 00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: was an option. My understanding is there's only one in 434 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,760 Speaker 1: and out, and that's a low water bridge that washes 435 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: out fast. So now you're trapped on an island at 436 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: that point. That's obviously problematic. And we talked about life vests, 437 00:28:57,760 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, the question is what is reasonable? And it 438 00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: just strikes me, well, I guess we're going to learn 439 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,480 Speaker 1: a lot more. One former camper who happens to be 440 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: a friend of mine wrote on the subject of Camp Mystic. 441 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: As a young girl, I went to Camp Mystic, and 442 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: both of my both of my daughters did twenty something 443 00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: years ago. But I will tell you I'm mad as 444 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: hell about what happened, and I don't believe all precautions 445 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: were taken, and I will never understand why the youngest 446 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: of the campers were on the closest proximity bank to 447 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: the river. The Eastland family has to have some sort 448 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: of liability because I'm pretty because I'm pretty certain there 449 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:35,240 Speaker 1: were conversations that occurred and they were aware that this 450 00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 1: could happen. But I think, oh, because I'm pretty sure 451 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: there were conversations that occurred and they were aware that 452 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: this could happen. But I think everybody was just betting 453 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: on the fact that it just never would even though 454 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: they did have a flood black back in the late 455 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: eighties if I remember correctly, so did they all forget 456 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,120 Speaker 1: it's a limestone riverbed and water falling on it would 457 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 1: certainly not be absorbed. Thank you for doing the movie 458 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: and asking the questions. I think. I think the f 459 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,719 Speaker 1: families deserve answers, and if this saves one child at 460 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: the camp in the future, then it is worth it. Well. 461 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:11,800 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's incredible, you know. I didn't realize how 462 00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: many kids go to camp. I heard from so many 463 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: people as I've mentioned this and talked about it. There 464 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: are a lot of kids who go to camp. I didn't 465 00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: go to camp as a kid. We didn't send our 466 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: kids to camp as a kid. But it's a Texas tradition, 467 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: and I think that's part of it, is there's a 468 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: lot of nossologia for people, so they're uncomfortable with all 469 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: these questions being asked. But we owe it to these 470 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: little girls and their families to ask tough questions