WEBVTT - The Toy Department with Elise Hart Kipness 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:03.280 Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where it's two 0:00:03.320 --> 0:00:05.920 weeks until Christmas. Have you bought all your friends and 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.319 family women's sports inspired books yet? 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.399 Well, You're in luck. Keep listening. 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.280 It's Wednesday, December eleventh, and today we chat with former 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:17.960 television sports reporter turned mystery and suspense novelist Elise Heart Kipness. 0:00:18.320 --> 0:00:21.800 She tells about the transition from locker rooms to book editors' offices, 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:24.760 how her work as a crime reporter influences her writing, 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.200 and her latest book, Dangerous Play, which sees fictional reporter 0:00:28.280 --> 0:00:30.960 Kate Green on assignment covering the US soccer team at 0:00:30.960 --> 0:00:34.199 the Olympics when a murder occurs. Plus, we'll share a 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:36.960 handful of other Good Game with Sarah Spain approved books 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:39.400 that are sure to make great presents this holiday season. 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:51.960 It's all coming up right after this welcome back slices 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:58.560 Miche has your need to know today, Take it away, Misha. 0:00:56.960 --> 0:01:00.880 Thank you, Thank you, Sarah Beck again, so Ludacris said, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:05.600 right anyway. In college soccer, UNC is back on top. 0:01:05.720 --> 0:01:08.440 The tar Heels won the program's first national title since 0:01:08.480 --> 0:01:11.240 twenty twelve with a one nil win over Wake Forest 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:14.640 on Monday, night, Sophomore Olivia Thomas scored the game winner 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:17.000 on a free kick in the sixty second minute. And 0:01:17.480 --> 0:01:20.479 listen to this stat Of the forty three NCAA women's 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:25.000 soccer titles ever awarded, UNC now owns twenty two. That's 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:28.640 fifty one percent. No other women's college soccer program has 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:33.240 more than four. In WNBA News, Indiana Fever guard Caitlin 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.360 Clark has been named Time Magazine's Athlete of the Year. 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:38.800 A quick refresher on a few of the things Clark 0:01:38.800 --> 0:01:41.520 accomplished in twenty twenty four, because it's been a long year. 0:01:41.880 --> 0:01:44.679 She became the top scorer in NCAA Division One women's 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:47.960 basketball history and led Iowa to a second straight national 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:50.600 championship appearance. She was the number one pick in the 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.000 WNBA draft, set a new single season rookie scoring record, 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:57.000 set the league's single season record for assists, and so 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.800 much more en route to earning Rookie of the Year honors. 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:03.120 In Sean Gregory's story on her, Clark reflected on the 0:02:03.160 --> 0:02:06.680 incredible career she's had already, the difference between college hoops 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.720 and the pros, and on the ways white privilege has 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:10.800 impacted her stardom. 0:02:11.280 --> 0:02:12.000 She told Time. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:15.000 Quote, I want to say I've earned every single thing, 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:17.760 but as a white person, there is privilege. A lot 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:19.560 of those players in the league that have been really 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:22.040 good have been black players. This league has kind of 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:23.160 been built on them. 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:24.120 The more we can. 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:27.600 Appreciate that highlight that talk about that and then continue 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:30.000 to have brands and companies invest in those players that 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:32.679 have made this league incredible, I think it's very important. 0:02:32.919 --> 0:02:35.280 I have to continue to try to change that. The 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.640 more we can elevate black women, that's going to be 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:40.640 a beautiful thing. End quote. We'll link to the Time 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.040 cover and story in our show notes to college hoops 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.399 number eighteen Iowa State in number twenty one, Iowa meet 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:50.640 tonight as part of the Iowa Korn Syhawk series, which 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.880 is sponsored by Iowa's Corn Farmers. That game tips off 0:02:53.919 --> 0:02:56.799 at nine pm Eastern on FS one. Do y'all remember 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.680 corn Kid? I hope he got free tickets to that game. 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:02.800 He is the most prominent spokesperson for Coorn that I 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:07.400 know of it. Also in college hoops, Tennessee is back 0:03:07.440 --> 0:03:09.839 in the AP top twenty five after a win over 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.720 Iowa last weekend. The Lady Balls fell out of the 0:03:12.800 --> 0:03:15.560 national rankings back in November twenty twenty three, and their 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:17.960 twenty two week absence from the poll was the program's 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:20.240 longest drought in the forty eight year history of the 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:25.400 women's basketball rankings to the NWSL. Angel City has fired 0:03:25.440 --> 0:03:27.960 head coach Becky Tweed after the club finished the twenty 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:30.919 twenty four season in twelfth place with a seven to win, 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:35.520 thirteen loss and six draw record. First assistant Aleiri Earnshaw 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.680 will serve as interim head coach until a new head 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:41.680 coach is hired. And finally, the US women's national soccer 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:44.200 team announced that it will host Brazil for two friendlies 0:03:44.200 --> 0:03:47.880 in California. A rematch of last summer's Olympic gold medal game. 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.920 Game number one is scheduled for April fifth at SOFI 0:03:51.000 --> 0:03:53.760 Stadium in Inglewood, and game number two is on April 0:03:53.760 --> 0:03:55.600 eighth at PayPal Park in San Jose. 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:00.440 Thanks me, we got to take a quick break when 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.760 we come back. Crafting a murder With Elise heart Kipness 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.840 joining us now, She's a former television sports reporter turned 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.279 mystery and suspense writer. In addition to reporting for Fox 0:04:18.320 --> 0:04:21.880 Sports Network, Elise was a reporter at New York's WNBCTV 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:24.920 News twelve, Long Island, and the Associated Press. A graduate 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.799 of Brown University and a super fan of coffee ice cream. 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.360 The first two books in her Kate Green fictional thriller series, 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:34.320 Lights Out and Dangerous Play, are available now. 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:36.440 The next book, Close Call, will be released. 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:40.000 In October of twenty twenty five. It's Elise Heart Kipness. Elise, 0:04:40.040 --> 0:04:40.920 thanks for joining us. 0:04:41.360 --> 0:04:43.400 Oh, thank you for having me. It's so great to 0:04:43.400 --> 0:04:43.880 be here. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:46.280 I want you to take us back to your sports 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.080 reporting days. How did you first get into that? 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:52.480 It was such a roundabout way. I had been covering 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:56.520 news for a while and I had the opportunity to 0:04:56.600 --> 0:05:00.320 cover the NBA lockout of nineteen ninety eight. It gives 0:05:00.320 --> 0:05:03.320 you an idea how old I am. And I went 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:05.680 and I covered it. You know, it was like a 0:05:05.760 --> 0:05:09.160 news story but also a sports story, and it was 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:12.040 it was I hate to say this poor lockout, but 0:05:12.080 --> 0:05:14.279 it was great. I'm going to say it was great 0:05:14.400 --> 0:05:20.479 because I have been covering murders and crashes like the 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.880 Flight eight hundred crash and trials of serial killers, and 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.440 I covered the monoc Lewinsky grand jury hearing, and it 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:30.840 was just like, like covering something like the Lockout was 0:05:31.000 --> 0:05:34.560 very interesting, but it didn't have the same stakes in 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.120 my mind. And then I got to cover sports, like 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:42.640 we just hit it off, and covering games was so fun. 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:48.800 It was just exciting and very adrenaline rushing, you know. 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:52.360 But it was also a nice break from like the 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:55.880 gloom and doom of what I covered in news. 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:57.800 I mean, one thousand percent. 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:01.000 I watch a lot of people who are really deep 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.640 into very serious news or even reactions of nightly news, 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.159 where so much of it is really sad and really hard, 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:09.359 and so I'm always glad I get to be in 0:06:09.360 --> 0:06:11.680 the toy department, even when the toy department can get 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:12.840 serious at times too. 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:15.440 I did look at on your website. 0:06:15.440 --> 0:06:17.919 There's some great old photos and shots of you at 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:19.680 a whole bunch of different sporting events. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:21.240 So you did a good job of making the rounds 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:22.640 and getting to lots of fun stuff. 0:06:22.920 --> 0:06:25.360 So how did you decide to make the transition from 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:26.800 reporting to writing fiction. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.160 When my first son was born, I made a decision 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.600 not to keep traveling. I was covering things like a 0:06:34.640 --> 0:06:37.320 month at a time. So I went to Florida for 0:06:37.360 --> 0:06:40.840 spring training for a month, and I cover March Madness 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.280 for a month. I always got lucky and got assigned 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:46.520 to Duke, which was a super fun highlight of my career. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:48.800 Me and a couple of other people were the East 0:06:48.839 --> 0:06:52.240 Coast bureau for Fox Sports Network, so we were traveling 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:55.159 all the time, and I just decided it was time 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:59.680 to stop or take a break. And then about five 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.560 years later, of all the things that I missed, I 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.919 actually found I missed writing the most, which really surprised me, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.520 because you know, even though we write our own stuff, 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.720 it's like one page, and you don't really feel like 0:07:14.480 --> 0:07:17.280 that in your brain is the most primary part of 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:20.360 your job. It's one aspect, but it's not the thing. 0:07:20.880 --> 0:07:23.560 And I thought I would miss the adrenaline. I thought 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:26.200 I might miss going to the locker rooms or you know, 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:29.360 the interviews or any of it. But I missed writing. 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.520 And I started to take classes because I only knew 0:07:33.560 --> 0:07:37.200 how to write one page. And the first draft of 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:39.360 my book was so bad. I wrote it as a 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:41.840 reporter and I wrote the who want where? When? Why 0:07:42.160 --> 0:07:46.880 write no suspense? It is so boring? And then I 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:50.680 just learned, and I mean one of the benefits, as 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:53.640 you know, you would know it's it's like I didn't 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:55.320 have to do my hair, I didn't have to put 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:57.440 makeup on. I could sit in my bed and. 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:00.640 Write and make your own schedule those things. 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:03.720 Yes, yes, And actually don't you find like you're more 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:06.520 of a late night person, yes, than a morning person 0:08:06.560 --> 0:08:09.480 because you're covering games and it's like really late. So 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:13.040 I've never gotten over the like sleeping in part, but 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.360 I just do it on my own schedule. My commute 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:17.040 is much shorter. 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:19.520 You and I were chatting about me trying to finish 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.040 my first book. I'm impressed by your prolific efforts in 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:24.960 the last couple of years, continuing to churn them out. 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:25.520 But yeah, it is. 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.920 It's a very different workflow, and so if you are 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.640 very disciplined and good at keeping yourself on track, it's 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:32.480 great to be able to say, Okay, well, this day 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.200 something came up, I'm going to go do that instead, 0:08:34.200 --> 0:08:35.000 and then the next day I'm. 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:36.760 Going to get back to writing. You know. 0:08:36.840 --> 0:08:39.280 It is a transition though, like you just said, both 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.160 in the approach to the work but also in the 0:08:41.200 --> 0:08:45.959 actual writing. You also were a crime reporter, like you said, 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.760 So is that how you decided I'm going to take 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.640 my interest or background in that into writing thrillers as 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:54.120 opposed to some other type of fiction. 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.760 Yes, but I didn't realize it at the time. What 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:03.320 happened was I just liked reading thrillers. So the decision 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:05.760 to write a sports a sports reporter as the main 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:10.240 character is logical, but I didn't really consider the deep 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:13.360 reason why I went into thrillers. And then I was 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.240 listening This is a year after or six months after 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.320 my first book came out, and I was listening to 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:23.640 Lisa Unger, who's a big suspense author, talk, and she 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:27.920 said she writes thrillers to get like the darkness out 0:09:27.920 --> 0:09:30.080 of her, to purge. And it was like one of 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:33.520 those aha moments, because I'm like, that's what I'm doing. 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.600 I mean, I remember my mom saying to me when 0:09:36.600 --> 0:09:38.320 I was covering I think it was specifically when I 0:09:38.360 --> 0:09:41.280 was covering Flight eight hundred and I was out there 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.599 for a month, and my mom said, you were always depressed. 0:09:46.120 --> 0:09:49.760 You know, your days are so full of tragedy. You know, 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.920 as a reporter, whatever's happening, it's not happening to you, 0:09:54.720 --> 0:10:00.240 So you almost feel guilty if you're upset about about 0:10:00.240 --> 0:10:04.760 it because it's someone else's tragedy, but you still have 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.080 the emotions of what's going on. So it's a very 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:11.559 weird thing, like awkward, uncomfortable. But I think it really 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:15.400 is me processing all this stuff that I saw back then. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.040 It's interesting how for you writing about it releases it. 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.760 And for me when I work on things like that, 0:10:21.840 --> 0:10:24.360 I like I internalize them and it's very hard for 0:10:24.400 --> 0:10:26.160 me to like get out of that funk. So I'm 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.800 glad you found this outlet. You've written about this reporter 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.440 Kate Green. This is your main character and the most 0:10:33.480 --> 0:10:36.360 recent book called Dangerous Play. She's on assignment covering the 0:10:36.440 --> 0:10:38.640 US women's national soccer team at the Olympics and then 0:10:38.640 --> 0:10:41.360 a famous designer and old friend is found dead in 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:42.200 the locker room. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:44.240 How did you come up with this premise? 0:10:45.000 --> 0:10:48.280 This book was so much fun to write because Kate 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:52.560 is also a soccer Olympic soccer gold medalist. I like 0:10:52.600 --> 0:10:54.640 to say Kate is a way cooler version of me. 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:59.160 So I mean, we're both TV sports reporters, but she's 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:04.120 an Olympics soccer gold medalist. I'm a soccer mom, which 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:09.000 I am. You know I made her tall, you can't tell, 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:11.920 but I'm five feet zero inches, so every interview I've 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.760 ever done, I stand on a milk crate. So then 0:11:14.760 --> 0:11:18.079 with dangerous play. My son used to play at the 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:21.480 NYCFC Soccer Academy and they would play at Yande Stadium. 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.680 They would play soccer, and he plays D one soccer now, 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:28.000 So this was a chance to merge from an observation 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.800 place as a reporter who covered sports and covered soccer 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:36.280 a bit, and also what I experienced with my son 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:41.680 and more specifically his friends on the girls teams who 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:46.760 had gone through the youth academies and national teams, and 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:52.160 I really wanted to dive into what it's like to 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:58.480 have pressure as a youth athlete. Now, my plot is fiction, 0:11:59.120 --> 0:12:04.640 but I did interview these women who who described the 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.040 way people are chosen from the youth camps and the 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.800 national camps to make it to the teams. You know, 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:15.240 based on things that they told me, Yeah, it's pretty brutal. 0:12:16.440 --> 0:12:20.000 So it was something I really wanted to explore. And 0:12:20.000 --> 0:12:23.000 then you know, I just fanned girl over Yankee Stadium 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.880 all the time because I cover so much baseball there 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:30.760 and I just couldn't think of a better like spot 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.480 to set a book. It's just like you kind of 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.240 can't believe you're there on the field and in the 0:12:36.320 --> 0:12:37.839 dugout and hanging out there. 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:38.400 Yeah. 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.280 I mean it sounds like you're using your background in 0:12:40.360 --> 0:12:43.640 journalism to inform the backbone of the book, to make 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.280 sure it fits with reality, and it uses the elements 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:50.520 of real life, and then you get to create a 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:52.680 little fiction on top of it. Do you ever find 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:56.200 yourself veering back toward the truth and then saying, no, 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:58.240 I don't have to I don't have to make it real. 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:00.520 This is fiction. I can bend it and I can 0:13:00.559 --> 0:13:02.120 move it in whatever direction I want. 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:04.840 Yeah, that's such a great question, and I think I 0:13:04.880 --> 0:13:08.320 did that more with book one, The Lights Out. You know, 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.640 when you're learning to ski and your natural reaction is 0:13:11.679 --> 0:13:14.960 to kind of lean back against like what the right 0:13:15.040 --> 0:13:17.400 move is, You're supposed to lean into it. And I 0:13:17.480 --> 0:13:20.720 think and that's a very common mistake, I guess, is 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:27.000 the right word or tendency for beginning fiction authors that 0:13:27.520 --> 0:13:32.880 you veer away from making things more dramatic and kind 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:37.120 of blowing things up. So, yes, that was something that 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.880 was edited and re edited with the first book, but 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:42.920 then with the second I kind of learned to lean 0:13:43.080 --> 0:13:46.000 into my writing skis in a different way. And just 0:13:46.040 --> 0:13:47.760 so you don't feel bad about how long your book 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.040 is taking you. I mean my first book took me 0:13:50.640 --> 0:13:54.400 like eight years. Like it takes a while because you're 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.679 learning new skills and then once you get them, you're 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:59.320 building on top of it. 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:01.960 So you're thank you, thank you. 0:14:02.720 --> 0:14:04.960 This current book, Dangerous Play, is a follow up to 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:08.959 lights Out, which also features reporter Kate Green character I 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.319 right on your website. It's being developed into film or 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:12.840 maybe TV by a major studio. 0:14:12.880 --> 0:14:14.559 Can you tell us about that process? 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:19.000 What I'm allowed to share is that it's for television. 0:14:19.360 --> 0:14:23.720 Film agents came to my agent before Lights Out even 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:26.640 came out. It was kind of like I couldn't believe it. 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.520 I was so excited and then and then it's just 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:32.800 sort of snowballed in a very very happy way to 0:14:33.920 --> 0:14:37.720 get to this studio. And you know, we signed papers 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:40.480 very excited a month ago or something. Yeah, it's exciting, 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:41.560 it's really exciting. 0:14:42.000 --> 0:14:45.200 Do you have any stranger specific writing quirks or habits. 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:49.000 What you were talking about? Coffee, ice cream? I am 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:54.240 never ever without coffee. I mean, I'm I'm so addicted 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:57.760 to coffee. I think most reporters are. Do you drink coffee? 0:14:57.960 --> 0:14:58.400 I do. 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:01.200 I try not to be addicted, in waves of being 0:15:01.240 --> 0:15:04.040 able to only go a couple times a week, and 0:15:04.080 --> 0:15:06.000 then other stretches where it's every day. 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:11.360 Yeah, I am a coffee coffee person. If I start 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 in the morning, I always have a better writing day 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.520 than I do in the afternoon. I do write in 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.640 bed a lot. I guess nothing specific, like nothing like 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:23.720 you know, candles on or things like that. 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:25.400 Writing in bed is very quirky to me. 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.280 But also that you mentioned earlier you are not a 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:31.320 former professional athlete, which is probably how your body allows 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:34.320 you to treat it like garbage, because my body would 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.480 never write in bed without me like hobbling my way 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.480 out of there with like my bad back and. 0:15:39.480 --> 0:15:42.200 My neck hurting. And Okay, do you still live on 0:15:42.240 --> 0:15:42.640 a farm. 0:15:42.720 --> 0:15:45.680 Sometimes I read about at least splitting times with a farm, 0:15:45.680 --> 0:15:47.160 and this is my dream later in life. 0:15:47.200 --> 0:15:48.720 So what animals are we talking here? 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.440 Okay, so our farm has narrowed, but I do have 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.320 to tell you about my farm. My husband, who's an 0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.160 attorney and in real estate, really should have been a 0:15:59.240 --> 0:16:03.160 vet and wanted to be a farmer. So we live 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.520 on not what you would think as farmland. We live 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:10.360 in Connecticut. But all of a sudden he's like, we're 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.000 having a farm. So it starts with chickens, then it 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:17.160 goes to goats, and then we ended up and this 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:19.680 is a funny story. We ended up with pigs. 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.400 Yes, but he knew. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:25.200 That I wouldn't be quite on board with the pigs, 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:29.280 so he got up the pigs. And it's like behind 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:31.240 a house where I don't look. I look this way, 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.000 like when I get engaged in what I'm doing, I 0:16:34.120 --> 0:16:37.760 don't really focus on anything else. There was a bet 0:16:37.840 --> 0:16:40.400 going in the soccer carpool about how many days it 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:43.240 would take me to notice the pigs. It took me 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:44.040 ten days. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:48.080 Oh my gosh, amazing by the way pigs, pigs get 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.480 a bad rap. Pigs are smarter than like toddlers and dogs, 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:55.040 and they're wonderful creatures. They like mud because if they 0:16:55.080 --> 0:16:58.640 aren't being handled well and they aren't being kept moist, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.480 it's like uncomfortable for them. So they don't actually want 0:17:01.480 --> 0:17:03.680 to be dirty. They're just trying to like suit their 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:06.080 skin when they get all muddy. So like people always 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.480 think of pigs in a bad way. But I'm definitely 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:09.639 gonna have pigs on my farm. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:11.240 So what kind of farm do you want? 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:14.560 I mean, yeah, just like I want all the animals, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:16.680 but I also need horses and a couple of donkeys 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:19.840 and some chickens and maybe like an alpaca or a 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:22.640 lama that I can use for like people to come visit. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.000 I'm still it's in the future, although the way the 0:17:26.000 --> 0:17:28.080 world is going, it might be sooner rather than later. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:30.680 All right, last question for you, Elise, other than your 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.680 brilliant work, what is the best thriller you've ever read? 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.000 Because I'm hoping that over the holidays I'm actually gonna 0:17:36.040 --> 0:17:38.399 have some time to sit and read, and so I 0:17:38.440 --> 0:17:39.640 need some suggestions. 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:40.879 Best thriller you've ever read? 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:46.119 My favorite thriller these days is Sarah Pekinon and Greer Hendrix, 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.760 The Wife between Us. Okay, really good. 0:17:50.560 --> 0:17:53.359 We look forward to the time to read it and 0:17:53.440 --> 0:17:56.119 your books as well. Thank you so much for hopping 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:57.479 on with us a lease, We appreciate it. 0:17:57.880 --> 0:17:58.879 Thank you for having me. 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:03.480 Thanks again to Elise for joining us when we get 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:05.520 back from break, a whole new batch of books to 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:10.560 add to that unwieldy stack. On your bedside table just me. Sorry, 0:18:10.560 --> 0:18:23.399 Marie Condo, welcome back. We love that you're listening, but 0:18:23.440 --> 0:18:25.040 we want you to get in the game every day too. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:27.159 So here's our good game play of the day, and 0:18:27.200 --> 0:18:29.879 it's a fun one. Just consider buying a few of 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.840 the books that we've featured here on Good Game with 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.000 Sarah Spain. 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