Speaker 1: Hey there, folks.
Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, August fifth, and a popular TikToker was
Speaker 2: live streaming to his six hundred thousand followers when he
Speaker 2: was executed live for everybody to see. And with that,
Speaker 2: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 1: Rose.
Speaker 2: I'm scared to open the damn Internet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is going on? I told you.
Speaker 3: I Unfortunately that what you just described is still available
Speaker 3: as of this recording.
Speaker 1: Anyone to see. If you go on to X and
Speaker 1: I saw someone wrote my god.
Speaker 3: First I pull up X and I see Perez Hilton
Speaker 3: and now I see this TikTok influencer murdered.
Speaker 1: Like, what is going on?
Speaker 3: I'm afraid to open up a social media app at
Speaker 3: this point.
Speaker 1: This is ropes.
Speaker 2: This is incredible. These incredible tools we have that you
Speaker 2: can go live on any street at any moment. But
Speaker 2: the thing about live robes, things happen, and this was
Speaker 2: it is incredible to watch. And yes we did look
Speaker 2: at it. For the sake of this reporting, we do
Speaker 2: not recommend it.
Speaker 3: But Robes.
Speaker 2: This was a very popular and very young, twenty five
Speaker 2: years old influencer in Mexico, twenty.
Speaker 3: Five years old, and you know what his videos were
Speaker 3: his live streaming videos were comedic.
Speaker 1: He was having fun.
Speaker 3: In fact, Goofy even and in this particular this, by
Speaker 3: the way, and what's exceptionally concerning, is that this happened
Speaker 3: on a busy street in front of a KFC restaurant.
Speaker 3: He's Goofully dressed up as a basically a door dash
Speaker 3: driver or a delivery driver. He's got the big square
Speaker 3: backpack where he has food on and he's he's being
Speaker 3: funny and silly and live streaming with two of his friends.
Speaker 1: And this is at eight pm at night.
Speaker 3: And the way it was described in terms of its
Speaker 3: location just feet away from the prosecutor's office.
Speaker 1: So this is a place where it's not rural. It
Speaker 1: wasn't in the middle of the night.
Speaker 3: It wasn't someplace where a hit could happen and no
Speaker 3: one would know who was coming and where they left from.
Speaker 3: You can clearly see the two men who pull up
Speaker 3: on a motorcycle, and I believe it's the driver who
Speaker 3: pulls out a gun and.
Speaker 1: Shoots him in the head in the middle of the
Speaker 1: live stream.
Speaker 2: And we're talking about Sezar Gastellone is his name, and
Speaker 2: he is described as a comedian influencer online. But yes,
Speaker 2: he has has accumulated six hundred thousand followers now from
Speaker 2: what I had seen and what he has done is
Speaker 2: a bunch of pretty silly, goofy videos and comedy sketches.
Speaker 2: So it's that's his lane. It seems difficult to think
Speaker 2: could understand and why is it that? How he could
Speaker 2: drawn the eye of whomever who thought this was necessary
Speaker 2: to do? I don't know, but robes, they knew exactly
Speaker 2: where he.
Speaker 3: Was well, and that's the point, and that's the scary thing.
Speaker 3: We actually did an episode on this at the end
Speaker 3: of last year about just how many live streamers have
Speaker 3: had issues with yes being targeted and then attacked or
Speaker 3: murdered because it's very obvious where you are. Anyone who
Speaker 3: is following you, one of his six hundred thousand followers,
Speaker 3: they can see your exact location. They know where you
Speaker 3: are in real time. So if you have any enemies
Speaker 3: or anyone is out to get you or out to
Speaker 3: even make a spectacle of you, that is the scary
Speaker 3: thing about live streaming. You are known, your location is
Speaker 3: known to every single person who was tuned into your
Speaker 3: channel or to your broadcast, and the.
Speaker 2: Clip robes of that's going around as a shorter clip
Speaker 2: than twelve seconds or something of what happens there at
Speaker 2: the end, But this was a longer live stream I
Speaker 2: have seen even about a two minute version. They were
Speaker 2: his friends, were riding around in a car. Even they
Speaker 2: got out, they went inside the restaurant, they came out,
Speaker 2: so if anyone was following him online and following the
Speaker 2: live stream, they had a while to figure out the
Speaker 2: location and figure out where they were going and to
Speaker 2: just be lying in wait almost if they wanted to.
Speaker 2: And that is is not the first one we've seen
Speaker 2: similar to this. We'll explain here shortly, but we'll explain
Speaker 2: at least this one and what you see in this video.
Speaker 2: And as you were setting up robes, they looked like
Speaker 2: he and his friends. They all have on hats. Here
Speaker 2: has a hoodie on and a cowboy hat and glasses.
Speaker 2: They're laughing. They're smiling through this video. They're in the
Speaker 2: car driving around for a bit and they get out robes,
Speaker 2: they go inside. They're standing around inside and they come
Speaker 2: out and robes. This is where everything seemed to be
Speaker 2: fine and cool, and they were laughing. So you got
Speaker 2: at least three guys here cast alone is on the
Speaker 2: right of them all, and it has to be a
Speaker 2: fourth person who was shooting the videos, So four of
Speaker 2: them have to be standing there on the side of
Speaker 2: the street outside the KFC.
Speaker 1: And by the way, they weren't blending in.
Speaker 3: They were dressed in bright orange delivery jackets, so they
Speaker 3: stood out in addition to wearing their hats, but they
Speaker 3: were in costume.
Speaker 1: They were dressed up, and they were bright. They were beacons,
Speaker 1: so to speak.
Speaker 3: Not only could you have seen them on your live stream,
Speaker 3: but also when you pulled up or if you were
Speaker 3: targeting them, they were really obvious standing in a well
Speaker 3: lit area in front of this fast food restaurant, this KFC,
Speaker 3: in bright orange garb with backpacks of food delivery drivers,
Speaker 3: and you see it. It's surreal to watch because, as
Speaker 3: you described, Babe, they were laughing, they were being funny,
Speaker 3: they were making a comedic video.
Speaker 1: So everybody was in good spirits.
Speaker 3: There was no sense or feeling of danger or worry
Speaker 3: or concern. Nobody was looking over their shoulders. This wasn't
Speaker 3: some serious live stream where they were calling out somebody
Speaker 3: or airing grievances. No, they were just having a good
Speaker 3: old time on a Tuesday night at eight pm, and
Speaker 3: you see this motorcycle with a driver, and there I
Speaker 3: have seen now people have obviously taken these videos or
Speaker 3: this live stream and zoomed in and before they came
Speaker 3: up close, you can see the men's faces very clearly.
Speaker 1: So obviously there was a man hunt underway.
Speaker 3: But I believe when they came up closer, the driver
Speaker 3: who ended up doing the shooting had his They both
Speaker 3: had helmets on.
Speaker 1: He had, I believe his helmet down, but yeah.
Speaker 3: He just they slow down, and it doesn't even look
Speaker 3: like Sezar Gastalloum even noticed they were behind him.
Speaker 1: He doesn't even look like he turned around to look
Speaker 1: at them.
Speaker 3: He wasn't even aware it seemed that somebody was coming
Speaker 3: up behind him.
Speaker 1: He might have just quickly glanced. But they've got smiles
Speaker 1: on their faces.
Speaker 2: They and the here's the weird thing, Grobes. There are
Speaker 2: two people on the motorcycle. You would think the person
Speaker 2: in the back was going to be the shooter. Yes,
Speaker 2: but the driver is the shooter. Now, if you know
Speaker 2: anything at all about a motorcycle, you have to stop
Speaker 2: that bike and get it in a particular position. If
Speaker 2: you're going to take one hand off of a handle.
Speaker 3: You would know this more than I would. You do
Speaker 3: you ride a motorcycle as.
Speaker 2: A sou you have to come to so the driver
Speaker 2: here Robes had to come to a full stop, make
Speaker 2: a movement to take out a gun, shoot, put the
Speaker 2: bike back in gear. What I'm saying is Robes this
Speaker 2: as in real time, took a beat. He they he
Speaker 2: pulls up calmly. They aren't alarmed at all. Robes they
Speaker 2: turn around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're not even paying attention.
Speaker 2: They're not. And he turns around. Nobody he's worried. It's
Speaker 2: just a gallon a motorcycle rope. They have to make
Speaker 2: a full stop. This takes a moment to do. You
Speaker 2: have to put the gun back in your pants and
Speaker 2: take off. So it wasn't when we say there was
Speaker 2: the two guys on a bike. It wasn't a drive
Speaker 2: by situation. It was a pull up, stop, execute, and
Speaker 2: take off. I was struck by how much time he
Speaker 2: had to react. That he didn't right.
Speaker 3: Because there was no fear. And you know we even
Speaker 3: you just freezed the frame and paused. And the two
Speaker 3: friends who are with Gustelum they saw are smiling, but
Speaker 3: they they're turning around.
Speaker 1: They're smiling. He looks back at the guys because they've stopped.
Speaker 3: You're like, hey, maybe you're thinking, hey, they're fans of
Speaker 3: ours there.
Speaker 1: They know we're doing a live stream.
Speaker 3: And these guys who are pulling up are in like
Speaker 3: polo shirts and jeans.
Speaker 1: They look casual as hell.
Speaker 3: They don't look like they're coming up as assassins or
Speaker 3: like cartel members who are out to get someone.
Speaker 1: They don't look threatening, they don't look scary.
Speaker 2: But look at the friends. The Gastoloma's with. He's just
Speaker 2: standing there and he turns. But his friend here he
Speaker 2: sees something first and makes him take off from Oh,
Speaker 2: he sees the gun.
Speaker 1: He sees a gun at the very last second. You're right,
Speaker 1: but like.
Speaker 2: He's smiling, never reacts, He never reacts to the He
Speaker 2: never ropes, ever reacts.
Speaker 3: I imagine he thought he was probably fans of his.
Speaker 3: He's got six hundred thousand followers. He's doing a live stream.
Speaker 3: You know, you and I have been up plenty of
Speaker 3: times on the corner of streets.
Speaker 1: I have been. I know you must have been too.
Speaker 3: I've been in dangerous neighborhoods where you're going live and
Speaker 3: you're looking over your shoulder, your photographer. I've had a
Speaker 3: scary moment or two where people have come up and
Speaker 3: threatened you or threatened to do something to you on
Speaker 3: live national television.
Speaker 1: I have actually had that experience.
Speaker 3: But most of the time, when people approach you when
Speaker 3: you're going on live, it's they're excited, they're friendly, they
Speaker 3: want to be a part of things, they want to
Speaker 3: know what's going on. I don't think most of the time,
Speaker 3: or any of the time, you're anticipating someone coming out
Speaker 3: to target you, to kill.
Speaker 1: You in the middle of and his mind is elsewhere.
Speaker 3: He's doing a live stream, he's in a comedic sketch
Speaker 3: sketch us, he's entertaining people.
Speaker 1: He's not thinking about that his life is at stake.
Speaker 2: We've we've we've reacted exactly how he did, absolutely on
Speaker 2: live television when better instincts told us we should probably
Speaker 2: react and run or something. Well, it's absolutely plenty of time.
Speaker 2: So when you put me in that headspace, I see
Speaker 2: why he is performing. I have to do this is
Speaker 2: the most important thing right now, to whatever. But there
Speaker 2: was no Danate. These two guys were up. They pull
Speaker 2: up on a bike and stop it looks like maybe
Speaker 2: a dirt bike and stop and he had to pull out. So, yes,
Speaker 2: that search that is underway. This is in Sineloa State
Speaker 2: down there in Mexico, which has been certainly the site
Speaker 2: of play of cartel violence. Just how much I was
Speaker 2: and you might be as well, folks surprised to hear
Speaker 2: just how many influencers as social media influencers are being
Speaker 2: killed in Sineloa State alone. Stay here, we'll tell you
Speaker 2: how many in the past year and also why cartels
Speaker 2: are targeting them.
Speaker 3: Welcome back to Amy and TJ as we are talking
Speaker 3: about another disturbing video. This one was initially a live
Speaker 3: stream of a very popular TikTok influencer. His name is
Speaker 3: Sesar Guestalloom had nearly six hundred thousand followers.
Speaker 1: Was doing a.
Speaker 3: Comedic routine in front of a KFC when he was
Speaker 3: targeted and murdered on the live stream just a few
Speaker 3: feet away from the prosecutor's office there in that area
Speaker 3: of Mexico. And Mexico Security Cabinet wrote that it is
Speaker 3: yes investigating the why behind this and they believe that
Speaker 3: he had some posts which may have referred to a
Speaker 3: faction of a criminal group yes, we're talking about cartels,
Speaker 3: but they are now investigating. Mexico's president said that they
Speaker 3: are working to try and determine who is responsible, to
Speaker 3: identify the killers, to identify the mastermind. But we know
Speaker 3: this is a very complicated situation in Mexico, and this
Speaker 3: is certainly not an isolated event.
Speaker 2: It's weird Rovia. It was last year the young lady
Speaker 2: that was really shocking. She's in a salon. Was she
Speaker 2: working or a customer at the time.
Speaker 3: She was at a beauty salon where she was live
Speaker 3: streaming on TikTok, So it was my understanding that she
Speaker 3: was a customer there.
Speaker 2: I haven't just I don't know why that detail got
Speaker 2: to me that moment, but she was the same thing.
Speaker 2: She was on a live stream and her followers saw
Speaker 2: her shot.
Speaker 3: And killed twenty three years old beauty influencer at a
Speaker 3: beauty salon in a very similar area of Mexico.
Speaker 2: Marquez is her name, but Robes I was like, wait
Speaker 2: a minute, the number of influencers killed, not just in Mexico,
Speaker 2: in this state alone in Mexico. I was shocked to
Speaker 2: see this.
Speaker 3: Yes, at least is the way they put it, So
Speaker 3: there could be more, which is a little frightening, But
Speaker 3: at least twelve twelve social media influencers have been murdered
Speaker 3: in that particular state. And they say this all happened
Speaker 3: when two factions of this cartel began their battle in
Speaker 3: September of twenty twenty four, and so somehow, some way,
Speaker 3: these social media influencers are literally being caught in the
Speaker 3: crosshairs of these two fighting factions. And to think that
Speaker 3: a dozen influencers in a little more than a year
Speaker 3: have died in this very particular area of Mexico, that
Speaker 3: is dionne frightening.
Speaker 2: They say they're getting caught up robes in propaganda. There
Speaker 2: is another war. Yes that car tells wage that they
Speaker 2: are pretty damn good at and propaganda now and they
Speaker 2: know how important messaging is online in that space, and
Speaker 2: that is where they are now living and eliminating threats
Speaker 2: to their image or their.
Speaker 1: Messaging, instilling fear and.
Speaker 2: Yes, to get other people to do some of their
Speaker 2: messaging for them. There's another that says it's happening so
Speaker 2: much a money laundering scheme that they pressure some of
Speaker 2: these influencers into some kind of way making their I
Speaker 2: guess it's online money in some way to some kind
Speaker 2: of way launder dirty money. Bro. It's I guess we
Speaker 2: should understand and shouldn't be surprised by this, but this
Speaker 2: is shocking to see what happened to him. It's shocking
Speaker 2: that something like that rose unbeknownst to followers, could just happen.
Speaker 2: You could be doing some people now you can choose
Speaker 2: to look at it or not a lot other people
Speaker 2: just watching him have fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they had no idea.
Speaker 3: Obviously, no one had any idea about what was going
Speaker 3: to happen. And now I think it's it's sickening to
Speaker 3: know that it's still up. I just think on the
Speaker 3: heels of Perez Hilton too. Just this is We've had
Speaker 3: a very disturbing twenty four hours of social media, a
Speaker 3: very disturbing twenty four hours of live streaming to be specific,
Speaker 3: where people have seen things they didn't want to see.
Speaker 2: And they choose to take that down there.
Speaker 1: I believe, so.
Speaker 3: I would think, I don't, I mean X, it is
Speaker 3: up on X. I mean we just checked and this
Speaker 3: all comes on the heels. Remember it was it earlier
Speaker 3: this week or last week I brought up to you.
Speaker 3: I thought, look, is this a story worth pursuing because
Speaker 3: I saw a headline fourteen mayors have been murdered in
Speaker 3: Mexico in that same period of time. So you've got
Speaker 3: a dozen social media influencers murdered. You have at least
Speaker 3: fourteen mayors murdered in Mexico since October of twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: so that same period of time when that cartel all
Speaker 3: battle began. And just to get your head around the
Speaker 3: violence in Mexico since two thousand and six, over the
Speaker 3: last twenty years, one hundred mayors have been killed in Mexico.
Speaker 3: I just imagine that being applied in just a smaller
Speaker 3: number in this country.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unthinkable the violence.
Speaker 3: And now, yes, this has got to affect tourism, This
Speaker 3: has got to affect people's decisions about where they're going
Speaker 3: to vacation. You and I both love Mexico, and I
Speaker 3: actually immediately when I saw this particular area where you've
Speaker 3: had all this violence targeting influencers, mayors, anyone who goes
Speaker 3: against these cartels or if there's an opportunity to yes,
Speaker 3: make a mark or show your strength, it's just beyond frightening.
Speaker 3: But it's you know, it's it's a seven hour drive
Speaker 3: from Portaviarta.
Speaker 2: This is which is not immune as we know, absolutely
Speaker 2: not recently.
Speaker 3: Yes, because we had left that area of Mexico, and
Speaker 3: I believe it was a matter of three four days later.
Speaker 3: You couldn't even drive down the roads that we had
Speaker 3: traveled up and down multiple times the week before. This
Speaker 3: is scary stuff, This is real stuff, and I feel
Speaker 3: so sick for these young social media folks down there.
Speaker 3: Twenty three was the young ladies age Valentine No, what
Speaker 3: was her name, Valeria Valeria Marquez? Correct, she was twenty
Speaker 3: three and Sezar was twenty five. Are they thinking this through?
Speaker 3: Are they realizing and recognizing that by live streaming, you
Speaker 3: are literally telling everyone exactly where you are, and you're
Speaker 3: giving them an opportunity to have a worldwide audience.
Speaker 1: That is frightening.
Speaker 2: That's something nothing here in the US anybody would ever
Speaker 2: think to have to worry about, right, I think to
Speaker 2: have to worry about. Well, yeah, folks wanted to give
Speaker 2: you that update, but the hunt is on for these two.
Speaker 2: We did see her in mentioning Valerie Marquez. They did
Speaker 2: catch that killer very recently last week, so it's very
Speaker 2: possible ropes that and rest could be made. We just
Speaker 2: wanted to hop on and give you the update. Breaking
Speaker 2: story uh still, but as always, we appreciate you spending
Speaker 2: a little time with us.
Speaker 1: I'm t J.
Speaker 2: Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy Robot. We'll talk
Speaker 2: to y'all soon.
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