1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:01,359 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:03,480 Speaker 2: It is the Ben Ferguson Show. It is so nice 3 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 2: to have you with us. All right, So you may 4 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 2: have seen the clips that went viral with Mi co Senter, 5 00:00:10,720 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz and Tucker Carlson and Center Cruse and I 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:17,160 Speaker 2: decided we were going to break down that entire interview 7 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 2: because if you saw the clips and went to literally 8 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:21,799 Speaker 2: hundreds of millions of views, you may not have heard 9 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,279 Speaker 2: actually what was said in that two hour interview. And 10 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: I want to give you those highlights now. Before I 11 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 2: get to that, I also want to tell you about 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 2: what is going on with Donald Trump and Iran in 13 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 2: Israel and the latest what we now know is that 14 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 2: the President is now saying that he could give an 15 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:46,240 Speaker 2: essence up to two weeks to make a decision if 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: he is going to bomb a RAN's main nuclear site, 17 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,519 Speaker 2: which is deep underground in that mountain side. There is 18 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 2: a couple reasons why this could be happening. I want 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: you to understand it. Number One, there are a lot 20 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: of ships that are needing to go through the stratif moves, 21 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:05,760 Speaker 2: which Iran could try to in essence, cut off twenty 22 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 2: five percent of all the oil in the world goes 23 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 2: through there every day and twenty percent of natural gas 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,240 Speaker 2: goes through there, So there is some logistical training, you know, 25 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 2: issues there that they need to get done, and giving 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 2: more time to do that could be huge from an 27 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 2: energy perspective. 28 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: That's one issue. 29 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 2: Number two, There's there's no doubt that Iran will retaliate 30 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 2: if America is the one that bombs and blows up 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 2: that nuclear site. So there's there's targets we want to 32 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: protect and harden. We also have assets that are going 33 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:41,679 Speaker 2: in to the Middle East. Our carriers and striker groups 34 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:43,240 Speaker 2: are going. We want to give them time to make 35 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 2: sure they're there to respond if i randicides to take 36 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: an attack, whether it's using drones or other things against 37 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 2: American interest American. 38 00:01:50,600 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Troops in the Middle East. 39 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 2: There's then the third part of the reason why the 40 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: President may be given this two weeks, and that is 41 00:01:57,680 --> 00:02:00,520 Speaker 2: because you have a bunch of countries in Europe. They're 42 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: going to be meeting today and they're going to be 43 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 2: meeting with leadership from Iran. Maybe something good can come 44 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: out of that. They'll have time to report back to 45 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 2: the White House. Maybe we can get disarmament and avoid 46 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: this entire you know throwdown. But what Donald Trump has 47 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: said is I'm going to decide on the Ranian strikes 48 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:22,919 Speaker 2: within the next two weeks. So within the next two 49 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 2: weeks means it could be tomorrow, could be later today, 50 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,919 Speaker 2: it could be three days from now, five days from now, 51 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 2: thirteen days from now. You get my point. But there's 52 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 2: a lot of logistical things that could be happening. 53 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:32,640 Speaker 3: Now. 54 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:34,160 Speaker 2: The final point on this I want to be clear 55 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 2: about also before we get into this tug Carlson and 56 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz. Thing that I want you to hear is 57 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,640 Speaker 2: some of this could also be Israel saying, hey, we've 58 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: got more attacks that we want and more targets that 59 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 2: we want to go after in Iran before you guys 60 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 2: basically put the the you know, the the cherry on 61 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: top of the Sunday so we're not finished with our 62 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: work and we don't want you to hit this thing, 63 00:02:57,720 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: and then I'll still be bombing, and then there's some 64 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: confused usion. There are people they're demanding that we stop. 65 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 2: So there's multiple different aspects of why there's a real 66 00:03:07,560 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 2: good chance that the President said, all right, I'm going 67 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 2: to have this two week you know, decide within the 68 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 2: next two weeks, and Iran is saying, look, third party 69 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 2: intervention would spark immediate reaction. That's their words. They're not 70 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: backing down, they're hardlining. But they are meeting with these 71 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 2: European nations today, so we'll see what comes out of that. 72 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 2: So I want to give you that update for you. 73 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 2: First off, Now, if you saw Tucker Carlson lose his 74 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 2: mind against Ted Cruz, it was a very odd and 75 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 2: weird interview. There's a lot of people asking the question, 76 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 2: why is like our own team fighting against each other 77 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: right now? What was the reasoning behind Tuger Carlson doing this. 78 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: I think it's pretty clear Tucker Carlson was taking a 79 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 2: lot of heat for publicly attacking Donald Trump, and Donald 80 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: Trump slap backed really hard at Tucker Carlson. I think 81 00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 2: he needed a distraction and he thought, oh, I'll have 82 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: Ted Cruz on, I'll get a war going with Ted Cruz. 83 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 2: That'll get the focus off Donald Trump coming after me 84 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:08,160 Speaker 2: after I went after Donald Trump. Now, since then, we 85 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: know that tug Carlson has actually called the President and 86 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 2: apologized to the President. It doesn't mean, though, that this 87 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: whole interview didn't actually happen. So I want you to 88 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 2: hear this take a listen. But let's just start with 89 00:04:19,920 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 2: the basic question that I think so many people have 90 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: been asking me when they saw the sibbits of this interview, 91 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 2: and I would actually encourage people to watch the entire interview, 92 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 2: not just the little things that popped on social media, 93 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 2: but number one like why did you decide to do 94 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 2: this interview with him? 95 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: And did do you think it was going to be 96 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:39,039 Speaker 1: like this? 97 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 3: Well, let me start with the second part. 98 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: First. 99 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 3: Yes, I knew exactly what it was going to be. 100 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 3: I knew that Tucker when he asked for the interview, 101 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 3: I know that he was doing it to come after me. 102 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 3: I knew he was going to come in and just 103 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:53,600 Speaker 3: be swinging as hard as he could. 104 00:04:53,880 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 4: And I went in. 105 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:57,799 Speaker 3: I wasn't looking to pick a fight, and in fact, 106 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 3: we started the interview with my pointing out. I said, Tucker, listen, 107 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: you and I we agree on about eighty percent of issues. 108 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 3: We agree across the board. And I said, Tucker, you 109 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 3: have been fantastic on a ton of issues. You've been 110 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 3: fantastic on securing the border. That is a deep passion 111 00:05:14,279 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 3: of mine. We have got to secure the border. And 112 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: when Joe Biden the Democrats had opened borders. You were 113 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 3: ferocious in fighting for that which I have been fighting 114 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:27,440 Speaker 3: alongside that with all my might. I will say during COVID, 115 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 3: during the COVID lockdowns, Tucker was phenomenal. In fact, to 116 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 3: the middle of the COVID lockdowns. I called Tucker back 117 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 3: when he had a show on Fox, and I told him, 118 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 3: I said, Tucker, your evening monologues are the single best 119 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 3: thing on television. I listen to them. I consume them 120 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 3: like crack every night because they are so good. Because 121 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: he was speaking out, he was speaking out powerfully against 122 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 3: the insanity of shutting down our country, against the insanity 123 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 3: of shutting down small businesses, against the insanity of shutting 124 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,800 Speaker 3: down churches, against the insanity of shutting down schools. And 125 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 3: over ten million kids did not go to in person 126 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 3: school for. 127 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: Over a year. 128 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: And by the way, the data all show the learning 129 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: loss to kids from that idiotic social experiment is going 130 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 3: to be with them their entire life. I think ten, twenty, thirty, 131 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,040 Speaker 3: forty years from now, we're going to look back and say, 132 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 3: what idiocy prompted this country to shut down schools and 133 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 3: hurt so many kids. So on all of those issues 134 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:26,719 Speaker 3: on free speech on the Second Amendment. Tucker's been fantastic, 135 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 3: and we aren't exactly the same page on all of 136 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: those issues. Now, I did acknowledge there are issues on 137 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 3: which we disagree. I knew that Tucker wanted the interview 138 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: because he wanted to come after me, and I knew 139 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: that it was going to be particularly spicy, a lot 140 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 3: of fireworks, because Tucker in the last week has gotten 141 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 3: really crosswise with President Trump. Tucker has blasted the President 142 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 3: and said that the President was complicit in Israel's war. 143 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,039 Speaker 3: He said that the President's actions were not consistent with 144 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:03,159 Speaker 3: America first. And so I knew that Tucker was going 145 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 3: to be hot and that I was going to be 146 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: the target to take his I r out. But I 147 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 3: did the interview because listen, although Tucker is right on 148 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 3: a whole lot of issues on foreign policy, I think 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: he's gone really off the rails. He has gotten to 150 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: a place of hardcore isolationism that I think is really dangerous. 151 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 3: It's not good for America. I disagree with it. He 152 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 3: does not want America to support Israel, he does not 153 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: want America to do anything to stop Iran from getting 154 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 3: a nuclear weapon, and he is vocally and vigorously disagreeing 155 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 3: with President Trump. And I thought it was important for 156 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 3: me to do this interview to explain what President Trump 157 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 3: is doing and to defend the president, to stand with 158 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 3: President Trump. And I got to tell you, the entire 159 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 3: theme of my interview was very simple. Donald Trump is right, 160 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 3: and Tucker on Iran and Israel, you're wrong. And that 161 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 3: was the whole point of the interview that came across 162 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 3: at great length. Now, we did the interview and on Tuesday, 163 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 3: and then Tucker released it on Wednesday. But before Wednesday, 164 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 3: he released a little stippet and in two hours. Look, 165 00:08:11,960 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 3: I'm going to give Tucker some credit, he had a 166 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: little gotcha moment. So two hours of back and forth 167 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,760 Speaker 3: and back and forth and back and forth, and he 168 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 3: decided to play a little gotcha moment. So so in 169 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 3: the course of talking about Iran, he asks me, he says, well, 170 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 3: what's the population of Iran? And I thought about it 171 00:08:27,800 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 3: for a second and realized I didn't actually know the 172 00:08:30,200 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: exact population of Iran, and so I just said I 173 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 3: don't know, and he did the sort of classic Tucker. 174 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: What how can you not know that? 175 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 3: And I mean, he was, you know, vibrating and looking 176 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 3: as if I had, you know, admitted to I don't know, 177 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,319 Speaker 3: committing treason or something. And I just said, look, I 178 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 3: don't I don't memorize population tables and and and he 179 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 3: comes in with with great, great joy and says and 180 00:08:58,520 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 3: I asked him, I said, what's the population of a 181 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: r He says ninety two million. Actually, according to the 182 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,319 Speaker 3: Google searches afterwards, it's eighty nine million, So he was 183 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: off three million, which I think is funny because I 184 00:09:07,000 --> 00:09:09,560 Speaker 3: assume he Google searched it right before the interview so 185 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: he could do his little gotcha. And I'll confess this 186 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,360 Speaker 3: may not be terribly credible, but the truth of the 187 00:09:15,400 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 3: matter is in my head what I was going to say, 188 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 3: if I was guessing, was ninety million, So I was 189 00:09:21,280 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 3: actually felt pretty good. I'm like, huh, all right, pretty 190 00:09:23,760 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 3: damn close. But I said, look, what difference does it 191 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,199 Speaker 3: make if it's ninety million or eighty million or a 192 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 3: hundred million. And the reason I didn't want to positive 193 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 3: guess is because stupid and unfair interviews. You play gotcha's 194 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 3: on this and I'll say things like population numbers. There 195 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: are all sorts of countries across the globe that have 196 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 3: sort of really surprising populations, that they can have populations 197 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: that are either significantly bigger than you would think, are 198 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 3: significantly smaller than you would think. And at the end 199 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 3: of the day, what I was talking about, which is 200 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 3: the Iatola, theocratic radical lunatic who chanced death to American 201 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 3: is trying to develop a nuclear weapon. The thread of 202 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: that is not remotely different whether Iran has a population 203 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 3: of eighty million, ninety million, or a hundred million. So 204 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 3: it was an irrelevant gotcha. But that little clip, what 205 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 3: Tucker did is he released it a day before the 206 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 3: whole interview, so he picked out of two hours. He 207 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,199 Speaker 3: thought that was the best sixty seconds because he did 208 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 3: get me to say the words I don't know, and 209 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,440 Speaker 3: he felt very gleeful on that I got to say. 210 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 3: The rest of the interview as it played out, there's 211 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: a reason he wanted to start with that clip. And 212 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: that clip went viral, and that's fine, but there's a 213 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,080 Speaker 3: reason he wanted to start with that clip because the 214 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: rest of the interview. Tucker's positions on Israel were very clear. 215 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 3: He didn't want to stand with Israel. He was and 216 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 3: we're going to lay this out in the course of 217 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 3: the show, deeply opposed to Israel, and he was deeply 218 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 3: opposed to President Trump's policy, and in fact, he had 219 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: been in writing and vocally attacking President Trump. And he 220 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: didn't want to talk about that in terms of putting 221 00:10:57,160 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 3: it out the results of the interview. 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That's 265 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 2: Patriot mobile dot com slash ferguson nine seven to two Patriot. 266 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: So I've done interviews that have been pretty snarky. 267 00:13:20,760 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: I worked at seen In for a long time as 268 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 2: a conservative commentator. 269 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: Are you glad you did the interview? 270 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 2: Because I always got that question, and it's the same 271 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 2: one I know a lot of people want to ask. 272 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: You, absolutely one thousand percent. 273 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 1: Yes. 274 00:13:33,320 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 3: Look, could the interview have been much better? If Tucker 275 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 3: had wanted to sit down and have a reasonable, thoughtful conversation, 276 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: let me speak, let him speak, us go back and 277 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,200 Speaker 3: forth and lay out different visions of foreign policy, that 278 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,520 Speaker 3: would have been a much much better interview. But Tucker 279 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: didn't want to do that. When he didn't like what 280 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: you're saying, he interrupts, he gets snarky, he insults you, 281 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 3: and you're gonna hear all of that because that's what 282 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: he did. 283 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 4: But that's fine. 284 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 3: I mean, he decided he wanted this interview to be 285 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 3: the two of us scream at each other. So that's 286 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 3: what it ended up being. But I'm very glad because 287 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 3: it was important to lay out the contrast. Donald Trump 288 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 3: is right and Tucker Carlson is wrong on Israel and Iran, 289 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 3: and I wanted to make that absolutely clear. 290 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: One of the big differences between the two of you 291 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 2: was on what success looks like, especially when it comes 292 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 2: to Israel taking out top Iranian military leadership. 293 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 3: Well, that's exactly right. Israel right now is taking out 294 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 3: the senior Iranian military leadership. And this is a regime. 295 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 3: When the Iatola chants death to America, I believe him 296 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: when he chanced death to Israel. I believe him. When 297 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 3: he calls Israel the little Satan in America the great Satan, 298 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 3: I believe that he believes that. And so the Iatola's 299 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: efforts to develop nuclear weapons they are designed for one 300 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,560 Speaker 3: very specific purpose, which is to be able to attack 301 00:14:56,800 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: Israel and America. And let me point out, by the way, 302 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 3: there is a reason the Ayatola has an ICBM program. 303 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: ICBM stands for intercontinental ballistic missile. You do not need 304 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: an ICBM to attack Israel right now. Iran is pounding 305 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 3: Israel with ballistic missiles. But Israel is relatively close to Iran. 306 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 3: Iran wants an ICBM for one purpose and one purpose only, 307 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,960 Speaker 3: to be able to carry a nuclear warhead to the 308 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 3: United States of America. And so that is the threat 309 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 3: we are facing. And Israel is doing an enormous favor 310 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 3: to America by taking out Iran's nuclear capability. Here give 311 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 3: a listen to Tucker and me discussing exactly this point. 312 00:15:39,440 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: Do you want to ask how to supporting Israel benefit us? 313 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: Right now, this tiny little country the size of the 314 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 3: state of New Jersey is fighting our enemies for us 315 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: and taking out their top military leadership and trying to 316 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:53,600 Speaker 3: take out their nuclear capacity. 317 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 4: That makes America much safer. 318 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: Right by the way, You're absolutely right. 319 00:15:57,240 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: I mean Israel is taking out top peranium mili to 320 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 2: your leadership. And yes, Israel is fighting our enemies right 321 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 2: now for US, and not just America, but many other 322 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 2: countries around the world. 323 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 3: Well, and it benefits America. Understand, these nuclear weapons are 324 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 3: being developed so they can attack America. And and and 325 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 3: it's not American soldiers who are taking out these nuclear facilities, 326 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 3: it is it is Israeli commandos who are doing so 327 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 3: that's something we should be grateful for But but Tucker 328 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 3: Carlson has been vigorously criticizing President Trump for standing with 329 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 3: Israel on this and and and here's another segment with 330 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 3: with with Tucker and me discussing this point. 331 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 5: Is that that I'm willing to spend money opposed to 332 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 5: that it's awful. I am against killing anybody actually, and 333 00:16:44,520 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 5: especially foreign government. I'm asking about your allegation and the 334 00:16:48,840 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 5: Prime Minister of Israel's allegation. 335 00:16:50,480 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 4: That killing terrorists is a good thing. 336 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: Killing people are trying to murder Americans is a good 337 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 3: thing because if you're America first, you want to protect Americans. 338 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 3: So taking out killing O'sallovan Laden was a fantastic But 339 00:17:06,640 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 3: you don't believe that they're trying to murder Trump or 340 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 3: you say it, yes, but why are you senator? 341 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 2: You said earlier in the interview with him at the 342 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: beginning and on this show that you and Tucker agree 343 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 2: on about eighty percent of the issues, like hardcore lockstep. 344 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 2: But this one here is maybe the most insane point 345 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 2: where Tucker's like, Hey, I don't want to kill anybody 346 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 2: around the world, no matter what I'm like, hold on, 347 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 2: if you had a chance to take out Hitler, You 348 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 2: wouldn't have done it? 349 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: Are you kidding me? 350 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: Well, this is unfortunately a point that frankly, you see 351 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 3: from a lot of people on the far left. You 352 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:40,360 Speaker 3: see from the sort of Jimmy Carter's of the world, 353 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:44,360 Speaker 3: and even Barack Obama's, the kind of piece nicks that say, man, 354 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 3: all war is bad. Just just you know, killing is bad. 355 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:51,720 Speaker 3: I'm just opposed to killing. And I get that that 356 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,439 Speaker 3: sounds good in a college faculty lounge. But as I 357 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 3: asked him in the course of it, I'm like, do 358 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 3: you think it's bad that we killed Osama bin Laden? 359 00:18:01,600 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 3: Do you think it's bad that that that Hitler's dead? 360 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: Do you think it's bad that we killed General Solomony? 361 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: Do you think it's bad that And let's be clear 362 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 3: that President Trump killed General Solomony. I asked him that 363 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 3: he wouldn't answer, that, he wouldn't ask answer if it 364 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 3: was if it was good or bad that we killed 365 00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 3: Osama bin Laden. That the idea that we should never 366 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:24,639 Speaker 3: kill anybody is an incredibly naive and unrealistic position. Look, 367 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 3: I think we should avoid unnecessary wars. I think we 368 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 3: should be very reluctant to put American servicemen and women 369 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: in harm's way. But when you have terrorists, killing Osama 370 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 3: bin Laden was a great day for America and a 371 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 3: great day for the world because Osama bin Laden murdered 372 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 3: thousands of Americans and waged war against America. And anyone 373 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 3: who is actually focused on America first and defending this 374 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 3: nation understands that there are dangerous people that are trying 375 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: to kill Americans and it's the job of the commander 376 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 3: in chief to keep them safe. Now, I will say, 377 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: in a two hour interview, one of the things that 378 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: was striking is thirty six minutes of the interview was 379 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:15,120 Speaker 3: Tucker attacking me for supporting Israel, and in particular, he 380 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 3: was obsessed with APAC. APAC is the America Israel Political 381 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 3: Action Committee, and he was going on and on and 382 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 3: on about how APAC should have to register under FARH, 383 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 3: the law that requires that organizations that are lobbying on 384 00:19:31,800 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 3: behalf of foreign governments have to register. Now, APAK is 385 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 3: not lobbying on behalf of a foreign government. APAC consists 386 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 3: of Americans. It is Americans who are standing up. Now. 387 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: There are Americans who want a strong US Israel relationship, 388 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 3: but they are not a lobbyist for the Nation of Israel, 389 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 3: and all told, he asked twenty eight questions on APAC 390 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 3: twenty eight questions. He asked thirty five questions on why 391 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 3: I was supporting Israel, and finally it had led to 392 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 3: this moment, which which was quite a bit of fireworks. Here, 393 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 3: give a listen. By the way, Tucker, it's a very 394 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:11,360 Speaker 3: weird thing, the obsession with Israel. Well, we're talking about 395 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 3: foreign country. You're not talking about Chinese, you're not talking 396 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,360 Speaker 3: about Japanese. I'm talking about the Brits, You're not talking 397 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 3: about the French. The question what about the Jews? What 398 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 3: about the Jews? Semi Now, Senator, you're just in the question, Tucker, 399 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: you're asking why are the Jews controlling our foreign policy? 400 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 5: That's what you just asked, hardly saying that, and I 401 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 5: have that. That's exactly what you just said. 402 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: It is, by the way, exactly what you're saying over 403 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 2: and over again, as you mentioned for so long and again, 404 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: the demonization of Americans and many of them they are 405 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 2: Jewish that advocate for Israel in America and saying they 406 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: should be foreign lobbyist organization. Look, I've spoken at one 407 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 2: of their events before. I'm sure you've spoken it countless 408 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 2: events for them before. The idea that there's some foreign 409 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 2: agency is absurd. 410 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 3: And he also had a whole lot of inquiry, isn't 411 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,720 Speaker 3: it horrible that Israel spy on America? My response was, 412 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: every one of our allies spies on America. We spy 413 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 3: on every one of our allies. That's real politique, that's 414 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:11,400 Speaker 3: the world we live in. And he could not acknowledge 415 00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: that point. He said, no, no, but Israel does it. It's 416 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 3: terrible that Israel does it. And it was bizarrely focused. Okay, look, 417 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:19,919 Speaker 3: the Brits spy on us, the Canadian spy on us, 418 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,240 Speaker 3: the French spy on us. Everybody spies on us, and 419 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 3: we spy on everybody. Welcome to reality. Because conservatives are 420 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 3: not simple and naive, and yet the criticism that is 421 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 3: directed at Israel sadly is unique and I think really unfortunate. 422 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 2: I want to get back into the Tucker Carlson interview 423 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 2: that you did and center there was some interesting themes 424 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 2: that came out of this interview. He was obviously attacking you, 425 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 2: he was attacking Israel, he was attacking groups that support Israel. 426 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 2: But then there was an even weirder point where I 427 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 2: think Tucker probably is hoping that we don't play this 428 00:21:56,840 --> 00:21:59,160 Speaker 2: or that people didn't watch the whole interview and hear 429 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 2: this part. It was about the Iranian regime. They've been 430 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: trying to murder Donald Trump. They've hired hitman, They've been 431 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,600 Speaker 2: trying to hire hitman. They've come after former cabinet members 432 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump. And when you brought it up, he 433 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 2: acted like he'd never heard of this before and that 434 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 2: you were either lying or this is shocking news to him. 435 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, this was utterly bizarre, and I got to say, 436 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 3: in the whole course of the two hour interview, this 437 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 3: was the strangest portion. For the last two years, Iran 438 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 3: has been actively trying to murder President Donald Trump. Iran 439 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 3: has hired hitman to murder President Trump, and Ran also 440 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:35,360 Speaker 3: has been trying to murder Mike Pompeo, President Trump's former 441 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 3: secretary of State, John Bolton, President Trump's former national security advisor, 442 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 3: and Brian Hook, President Trump's former assistant secretary of State. 443 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 3: All of them, Iran has hired hitman and has been 444 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:50,719 Speaker 3: targeting them bizarrely, and this has been widely reported. These 445 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 3: are objective facts, but Bizarrely, Tucker Carlson assisted insisted this 446 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 3: has never happened. 447 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: Here, give a listen. 448 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 5: I just want to pull that thread because it's so important. 449 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:02,800 Speaker 5: I voted for Donald Trump. I can't paign for Donald Trump. 450 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 5: He's our president and won the custom of a war. 451 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:08,600 Speaker 5: So if Iran, if there's evidence that Iran paid hitman 452 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 5: to kill Donald Trump and is currently doing that, where's that? 453 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 5: What are you even talking I've never heard that before. Okay, 454 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 5: where is the evidence? Who are these people? Why haven't 455 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 5: they been arrested? Why are we not at war with Iran? 456 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 5: That's a great question to ask. How do you know 457 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:21,880 Speaker 5: that that's true. 458 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 3: We know that it's true because we have been told 459 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: that by the military at our intelligence community for the 460 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: last two years. We meaning who Congress has in the public. 461 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I had multiple testimonies. I can send you 462 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 3: test We know the names. 463 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,760 Speaker 5: Of the people are where this happened, or what they 464 00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 5: tried to do to kill Trump. 465 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 4: We do not. 466 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: We have not apprehended an Iranian hit man trying to 467 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 3: kill him. We know that Iran is trying to do 468 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 3: so in the United States. Yes, and by the way, 469 00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 3: like Iran, this. 470 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 5: Just seems like a huge headline, and you're acting like 471 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 5: everyone knows this. I didn't know that. 472 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 4: Iran put out a whole video about murdering Trump. 473 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 5: Right, but I've never heard evidence that there are hitmen 474 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 5: in the United States, I mean trying to kill Trump 475 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 5: right now, we should like have a nationwide drag dowd 476 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 5: on this and we should attack Iran immediately if that's true. 477 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 5: Don't you think no, but they're trying to assassinate our president. 478 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,719 Speaker 5: They have been for two years. They are with them. 479 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 5: Well we are trying, why don't we just nuke tear 480 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,439 Speaker 5: If they're trying to murder our president. There's nothing that 481 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 5: you could do that would be worse for the United 482 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 5: States than murdering Trump. And I just don't understand why 483 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 5: you're not calling for the use of nuclear weapons against 484 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 5: the eye tootal right now, I'm serious. 485 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 4: If if you really. 486 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 3: Believe there's a nuclear weapons whatever hits the problem of 487 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 3: so mean, you don't seem to take the allegation seriously. 488 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: I do. 489 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 5: If you believe they're trying to murder Trump, we need 490 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 5: to stop what we're doing and punish them. 491 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: I mean, insanely bizarre. 492 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:49,880 Speaker 2: We went from let's not do anything to Oh, they're 493 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 2: trying to kill Trump. Well, if that's true, let's just 494 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 2: nuke them. 495 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: So you're right. 496 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 3: The entire two hours, Tucker's position was, do nothing on 497 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 3: a Ran, do nothing on a Ran, do nothing on Iran, 498 00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 3: do not support Israel, do not support Israel, do not 499 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: support Israel. But if Iran is trying to murder Trump, 500 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 3: then we should nuke them. Okay, Ben, that's absolutely wacky. 501 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 3: And look, it's the sign of someone who's not presenting 502 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: an argument in good faith. No, we should not be 503 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 3: nuking Iran. That's not a good idea. And by the way, 504 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 3: this is a point where actually facts matter. And part 505 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 3: of what was frustrating about this interview is that Tucker 506 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: just says things that are blatantly false and he doesn't 507 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 3: care if they're true or false. So this is an 508 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 3: objective fact. I'm going to read to you from a 509 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 3: political article on November eighth, twenty twenty four, not very 510 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 3: long ago. 511 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 4: Here's the title. 512 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 3: Iran ordered an operative to assassinate Trump before the election. 513 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: Federal prosecutors say the alleged would be assassin is believed 514 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:52,840 Speaker 3: to be in Iran and remains at large. Prosecutors said 515 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:53,400 Speaker 3: here's the. 516 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 4: Beginning of the article. 517 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 3: The Iranian government ordered an operative to assassinate Donald Trump 518 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 3: before the twenty twenty four election, Manhattan Federal prosecutors said Friday, 519 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,800 Speaker 3: the latest in a string of assassination plots directed at 520 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 3: the former and future president in recent months. Prosecutors charged 521 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 3: Farhad Shakiri with murder for hire and providing material support 522 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 3: to foreign terrorist organization. He is believed to be in 523 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: Iran and remains at large, prosecutors said. The article continues quote. 524 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 3: According to a criminal complaint unsealed in Manhattan Federal Court, 525 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 3: Shakiri said during an FBI interview that in September he 526 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 3: was directed by the Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran to 527 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:37,159 Speaker 3: surveil and kill Trump, whom the charging papers identify as 528 00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 3: victim for When Shakiri told an IRGC official that doing 529 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:44,560 Speaker 3: so would prove expensive, the official responded that money's not 530 00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 3: an issue, which Shakiri understood to mean that the IRGC 531 00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 3: had previously spent a significant sum of money on efforts 532 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 3: to murder victim four and was willing to continue spending 533 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:57,920 Speaker 3: a lot of money in its attempt to procure victims 534 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: for assassination. According to the true charging papers. So there's 535 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 3: literally a Department of Justice indictments specifically against an assassin 536 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 3: for for for attempting to murder Trump. There also, by 537 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: the way, was a separate assassin who was arrested for 538 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,919 Speaker 3: renting an apartment next to John Bolton, Iranian assassin that 539 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 3: was there to murder Trump's former national security advisor. 540 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:20,440 Speaker 4: And as I. 541 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 3: Noted, the Iranians put out an entire video, a minute 542 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 3: and a half video. It's an animated video that shows 543 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 3: Donald Trump playing golf and shows the Iranians using a 544 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: drone attack to kill him. All of that is is 545 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 3: objectively true, and yet Tucker says, I've never heard a 546 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: word of it. I don't know anything about this, and 547 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: I want to. I want to play this video right here. 548 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:45,840 Speaker 3: This is in Farsi, but but I want to play it, 549 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 3: and then I'm going to tell you what what he's saying. 550 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 3: So give a listen. 551 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 4: Thought, am I gonna meet how on this? 552 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 6: Well? 553 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 2: Was than you know? 554 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 4: I mean mckinzio in file Mondona and Isomi Kingmi? What's 555 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 4: your alone? 556 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: So let's just be queer. 557 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: That's the IRGC commander live on Islamic Republic of Iran 558 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,879 Speaker 2: State TV and tell people what he just said. 559 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: Well, his name is Amir Ali Hajazade, he's the commander 560 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 3: of the IRGC. He's on national television and he says, 561 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 3: quote God willing will be able to kill Trump, Pompeo, 562 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 3: General McKenzie, and other US commanders. That's on TV now. 563 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 3: Tucker spent the entire interview denying that Iran was trying 564 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 3: to kill President Trump. That's objectively false. 565 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:47,920 Speaker 4: Facts matter. 566 00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: And bizarrely, he said, well, if that fact was true, 567 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 3: he thought we should immediately attack Iran and we should Nukran. Well, no, 568 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: that's not the case. We should not Nukran, but we 569 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 3: should do what President Trump is doing right now, just 570 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,040 Speaker 3: support Israel in taking out a RAN's nuclear capability and 571 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:07,360 Speaker 3: their senior military leadership. That actually makes sense. And I'll 572 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 3: tell you that. The day after our interview aired, President 573 00:29:10,800 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 3: Trump was asked about the conflict between me and Tucker 574 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 3: in the Oval office. And here give a listen to 575 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: the back and forth President Trump had in the Oval 576 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 3: with a reporter. Do you see the Tucker Carl Sitt 577 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,800 Speaker 3: and Senator Ted Cruz interview. It seems like this issue 578 00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 3: on whether or not the United States should strike is 579 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,959 Speaker 3: kind of dividing a lot of your supporters. 580 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 6: Uh no, my supporter is it for me. My supporters 581 00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 6: are America first. They make America great again. My supporters 582 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 6: don't want to see around have a nuclear weapon. Tucker's 583 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 6: a nice guy. He called apologized the other day because 584 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 6: he thought he said thanks for a little bit too strong, 585 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 6: and I appreciated that. And Ted Cruz is a nice guy. 586 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 6: I mean, he's been with me for a long time. 587 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 6: I'd say once the race was over, he's been with 588 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 6: me ever since. 589 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 4: Right, but very simple. 590 00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,480 Speaker 6: If they think that it's okay for Aroan to have 591 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 6: a nuclear weapon, then they should oppose me. But nobody 592 00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 6: thinks it's okay. 593 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: This goes back to the very beginning and why I 594 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: think Tucker was so hostile. He wanted a distraction from 595 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: the fact that he had messed up with Trump. He 596 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 2: had to call Trump and apologize, and he thought, all right, 597 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 2: if I just go after Ted Cruz, maybe that'll fix 598 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 2: all my problems. 599 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 1: I don't think it worked well. 600 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 3: And look, the reason that Tucker had to apologize to 601 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: Trump is that he had been publicly blasting Trump. He 602 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 3: said Trump was complicit in Israel's war and he said 603 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 3: he said what Trump was doing was not America first. 604 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 3: And President Trump tweeted out and said, look, I'm the 605 00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: one who created America First, and I decide what it is. 606 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 3: And allowing Iran to have a nuclear weapon that is 607 00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 3: not America first. And that's exactly what President Trump said 608 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 3: in the oval. You know what's amazing, We've laid out 609 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 3: the facts that is undisputed, by the way, out of 610 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: one hundred senators, all one hundred degree, that Iran is 611 00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 3: trying to murder President Trump, even the looniest, even Bernie Sanders, 612 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 3: even Elizabeth Warren, doesn't dispute that Iran is trying to 613 00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: murder Trump because it's an objective fact. I've laid them 614 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,280 Speaker 3: out that those facts out repeatedly. You know, Tucker has 615 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: not responded once to that. He has not said, oh, 616 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 3: I was wrong on that. He hasn't said, oh well, gosh, 617 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: I said if that was the case, we should attack 618 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: Ran immediately in nuke them, which, by the way, to 619 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: be clear, we should not. At the end of the day, 620 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 3: facts matter, and the good news is the commander in 621 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 3: chief's job is to be clear eyed and do what 622 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 3: is necessary to keep America safe. President Trump is doing that. 623 00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 3: I spoke to him just a few days ago and 624 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 3: I said, mister President, thank you, thank you for standing 625 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 3: with Israel, thank you for standing up for America. 626 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 4: Thank you for. 627 00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:42,080 Speaker 3: Defending our servicemen and women. You notice Iran has not 628 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 3: attacked our servicemen and women because the President has made 629 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 3: clear the consequences would be massive for doing so. And 630 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:52,480 Speaker 3: President Trump right now is being strong and resolute, and 631 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm proud to stand with the President that he is 632 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 3: doing exactly the right thing. He is embodying America first, 633 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 3: and he's keeping this country safe. 634 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:06,600 Speaker 2: And there's one big definition that has been coming up, 635 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:09,080 Speaker 2: and I've seen it a lot, and I've been asked about, 636 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 2: especially since it's interview, and it's the argument, are the 637 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: word isolationists or isolationism? 638 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: What does that mean? 639 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 2: And then your thoughts on it, Senator, so people understand it, 640 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,480 Speaker 2: but also what is your foreign policies so people to 641 00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,800 Speaker 2: understand you're not an isolationist and you're not one of 642 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 2: those it's like, hey, let's go to war everywhere we 643 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 2: can't either. 644 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. And this is something we talked 645 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,640 Speaker 3: about quite a bit in the interview with Tucker Carlson, 646 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: and when he wasn't screaming at me and it wasn't 647 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 3: a mud mess, we actually laid out some really important 648 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 3: basic philosophy on foreign policy. Look, historically, there have been 649 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 3: two polls in Republican foreign policy. On the one side, 650 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: you've had the interventionists. They've been people like John McCain, 651 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 3: people like Lindsey Graham, who who are eager to use 652 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 3: US military force, who are frequently advocating for a robust, 653 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 3: robust use of military force. On the other pole, you 654 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 3: have the isolationist and the most notable of those are 655 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,360 Speaker 3: Ron Paul and Ran Paul and Tucker Carlson, I think 656 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 3: is now emphatically in that category as well. And their 657 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 3: view is that America should withdraw from the world, that 658 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 3: we have two giant oceans on both sides, and we 659 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600 Speaker 3: should not employ the military. As Tucker said in an 660 00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 3: earlier clip we played, we should never kill anybody, which 661 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 3: which means our military should never engage with our enemies. 662 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 3: I've always considered, and most people look at that and say, Okay, 663 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 3: you got to be one or the other. I've always 664 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 3: thought both views were wrong. I disagree with both. I 665 00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 3: disagree with interventionists. I disagree with isolationist. I consider myself 666 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 3: a third point on the triangle. I consider myself a 667 00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 3: non interventionist hawk. Now what does that mean. It means 668 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 3: that I am exceptionally reluctant to you at US US 669 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 3: military force. We should have a very high threshold for 670 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 3: sending our sons and daughters into harms. Way, we should 671 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,480 Speaker 3: not engage in unnecessary wars. But and this is a 672 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 3: very important butt, the touchstone for all foreign policy and 673 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 3: military action should be the vital national security interest of 674 00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 3: the United States. So I opposed the Iraq War. The 675 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 3: Iraq War under George W. Bush, I think was a mistake. 676 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 3: It ended up making America less safe. We toppled a dictator, 677 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 3: Saddam Hussein, who was killing radical Islamic terrorist and what happened. 678 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 3: The radical Islamic terrorists took over and they began killing Americans. 679 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:46,640 Speaker 3: That was bad. I also oppose what happened in Libya. 680 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,320 Speaker 3: Kadafi was another dictator. He was killing radical Islamic terrorists. 681 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,799 Speaker 3: We toppled Kadafi and the radical Islamic terrorists took over 682 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 3: and began killing Americans. That was bad. The touchstone should 683 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 3: be does the make America more safe? Does this protect Americans? 684 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:07,840 Speaker 3: And the reason I believe that President Trump is exactly 685 00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 3: right to support Israel in stopping Iran's nuclear weapons capability 686 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: is because Iran with a nuclear weapon poses a clear 687 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,239 Speaker 3: threat to the safety and security of America and a 688 00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 3: clear threat of murdering a vast number of Americans. That's 689 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 3: why Israel is acting, That's why President Trump is acting. 690 00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 3: And I'll point out ben when I say non interventionist talk, 691 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:35,280 Speaker 3: that's a fancy way of saying what President Reagan referred 692 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 3: to as peace through strength. Be strong enough that your 693 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,359 Speaker 3: enemies don't want to mess with you. If you want 694 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 3: to avoid war, be strong. When you're weak, When you're isolationist, 695 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,880 Speaker 3: you end up with more war because your enemies are 696 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,120 Speaker 3: aggressive because they know you're weak. It is also, I 697 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 3: believe exactly what President Trump's foreign policy is. It's what 698 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 3: he has done consistently, and I agree with President Trump's 699 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,560 Speaker 3: foreign policy. And I will say that that's true on Iran, 700 00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 3: that's true in Israel, but it's also true in Russia. 701 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:04,359 Speaker 4: And I want you to. 702 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 3: Listen to a back and forth that that that Tucker 703 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:10,320 Speaker 3: and I had on Russia, because that's another area where 704 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,840 Speaker 3: clarity is valuable. 705 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 4: And here, give a listen. I don't think that Putin 706 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 4: loves us. 707 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,959 Speaker 5: I'm distressed by the moral condition of most leaders around 708 00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 5: the world. 709 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 4: Most of them they all kill people. 710 00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:21,560 Speaker 1: I'm against that. 711 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,319 Speaker 5: I'm just saying I wish to focus here when I 712 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:25,799 Speaker 5: say something. 713 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,480 Speaker 3: I actually don't agree with that statement. They all kill people. 714 00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 3: There's a moral relativism. So I don't think Donald Trump 715 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,520 Speaker 3: is a murderer. He doesn't kill people. 716 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 4: We don't have customer Donald Trump a murderer. 717 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 3: And you just said world leaders all kill people, and 718 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 3: there's a moral relativism. 719 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 4: I'm hardly a moral relative, but you are. 720 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 3: You just that statement was the estimated a semi and 721 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 3: isolation moral relativest Okay, no, not do just say world 722 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 3: leaders all killed saying I'm against killing people in general, 723 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,200 Speaker 3: so and hyperventilating about how Putin was in the KGB 724 00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,720 Speaker 3: or whatever. 725 00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 5: I just want to serve American interest and pushing into 726 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:01,280 Speaker 5: Kine is not in our interest at all. 727 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,319 Speaker 3: And you helped you and you haven't apologized. And by 728 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,919 Speaker 3: the way, you're the cheerleader. I helped drive him into China. 729 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 3: It's an complete lie. The war against him. No, I 730 00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,680 Speaker 3: authored the legislation that shut down Nordstream too, that prevented 731 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:15,719 Speaker 3: the war. And if Trump had still been in the 732 00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: White House, we would have had the war. And look 733 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 3: the comment you made, the reason things like moral relativism 734 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 3: are so dangerous. Oh, everyone kills people. No, there is 735 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 3: a difference to the United States relative. We don't have 736 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:30,200 Speaker 3: concentration camps. We don't torture and murder people. You look 737 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 3: at China where they've got a million prisoners in concentration camps. 738 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480 Speaker 3: You look at Putin where he's got prisoners in Siberia. 739 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 3: He tortures and murders his political opponents. Donald Trump doesn't 740 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:41,839 Speaker 3: do that. America doesn't do that. And by the way, 741 00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 3: countries don't do that. I see the game. It's like 742 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,360 Speaker 3: you're the rest again. I'm distressed. Though I'm responding with facts. 743 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: You don't like the facts. I don't even know what 744 00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,319 Speaker 3: facts you're talking about. I'm not saying that Trump puts 745 00:37:54,360 --> 00:37:56,440 Speaker 3: people in concentration camps. I can't paign for Trump. I 746 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 3: love Trump, so did I Okay, so this is something 747 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 3: with Trump. I'm merely when you said it, druve some 748 00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 3: more emphasis on what's happening inside the country. 749 00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 4: That's it. 750 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,840 Speaker 3: Is there a moral difference between America and our enemies 751 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 3: in America? And what is it articulated? Its valuable to say, why? 752 00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:14,720 Speaker 1: Wow? 753 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,720 Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the biggest differences between 754 00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 2: you and Tiger Carlson right there in that conversation. 755 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, he would not say that Putin was a 756 00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,080 Speaker 3: bad guy. He would not say that that that President 757 00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,359 Speaker 3: Trump was right to take out General Solimani. He would 758 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:31,200 Speaker 3: not say that President Trump was right to take out 759 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 3: Al Baghdaddy, the head of ISIS. He would not say 760 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,040 Speaker 3: that President Trump was right to take out Isis's caliphate. 761 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:38,480 Speaker 3: And here, I want you to listen to this. Additionally, 762 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 3: back and forth we had on Russia. Say, I don't 763 00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:47,040 Speaker 3: understand for some reason, you are really invested in defending 764 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,160 Speaker 3: Russian I don't get that. 765 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:50,680 Speaker 4: I'm not attacking you with that. I'm genuinely like, I. 766 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,840 Speaker 3: Don't get why you're you're so passionate about defending Rusger. 767 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,919 Speaker 2: I mean, wow, sat the laughing at the end by 768 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 2: him just because you were killing him with the facts 769 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 2: really sums up the entire two hour interview. 770 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 3: In my opinion, it was an odd thing because he 771 00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 3: would say things that were just wildly untrue. He'd said 772 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 3: every world leader kills people, and no, it is not equivalent. 773 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:16,839 Speaker 3: Donald Trump is not equivalent to Vladimir Putin. And that's 774 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 3: frankly something that left to say, and unfortunately isolationists on 775 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,200 Speaker 3: the right said it as well. And it's simply not true. 776 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 3: You know, we were having this interview in my office, 777 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 3: and the dominant feature in my office is a gigantic 778 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 3: painting of Ronald Reagan in front of the Brandenburg Gate, 779 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,560 Speaker 3: and above him in German are the words tear down 780 00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 3: this wall in the style of the graffiti. I think 781 00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:41,840 Speaker 3: those are the most important words uttered in modern times, 782 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 3: and they call for the importance of American leadership. Now, 783 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 3: as I may clear this interview, I don't want us 784 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 3: to be at war with Russia. We should not be 785 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 3: at war with Russia. But it doesn't mean we need 786 00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,399 Speaker 3: to be cheerleaders for Russia, that we need to be 787 00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 3: cutting essentially infomercials for Russian and grocery stores. We ought 788 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 3: to speak the truth. And the pulpit of the presidency 789 00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 3: is incredibly powerful, and I got to say again, President 790 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,400 Speaker 3: Trump is doing that beautifully. The entire point of this 791 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,800 Speaker 3: interview was for me to make absolutely clear that on Israel, 792 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:13,879 Speaker 3: on Iran, President Trump is right and Tucker Carlson is wrong, 793 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 3: and we stand with Israel and we will keep the 794 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 3: American people safe. 795 00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,800 Speaker 2: Make sure you share this podcast with your family and friends, 796 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,759 Speaker 2: put it up on social media wherever you are, and 797 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,520 Speaker 2: we appreciate you listening every day. 798 00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 1: We'll see you back here tomorrow