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Speaker 3: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and

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Speaker 3: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi.

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Speaker 3: I'm Sandra Champlain. For over twenty five years, I've been

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Speaker 3: on a journey to prove the existence of life after death.

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Speaker 3: On each episode, we'll discuss the reasons we now know

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Speaker 3: that our loved ones have survived physical death, and so

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Speaker 3: will we Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. Most evenings,

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Speaker 3: after we eat our dinner, my Mom and I watch

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Speaker 3: a TV show or a movie. Mom is open to

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Speaker 3: all kinds of genres, including thrillers and horrors and all

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Speaker 3: that kind of thing, But for me, I stay away

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Speaker 3: from the scary stuff. We just watched a movie called

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Speaker 3: The Iron Claw. Although we weren't certain of what it was,

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Speaker 3: it got very high ratings and we both thought why not.

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Speaker 3: It was a good film. But it's also a very,

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Speaker 3: very sad one. It's a true story about a family

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Speaker 3: who are involved in the early days of professional wrestling.

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Speaker 3: Why do I bring this up on shades of the afterlife? Well,

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Speaker 3: in one of the saddest moments, there is a quick

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Speaker 3: scene that takes place in the afterlife, a reunion of

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Speaker 3: those who have passed. Although it was a very short scene,

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Speaker 3: it filled me with comfort and that reassuring belief. That's

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Speaker 3: what it's like when we cross over. All of our

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Speaker 3: loved ones are right there to greet us in a

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Speaker 3: most beautiful place. But what makes authors and screenwriters include

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Speaker 3: the afterlife and their stories? Today, I have a real

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Speaker 3: treat for you. We are going to meet best selling

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Speaker 3: fiction and nonfiction author Sheila Lowe. Sheila is a real

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Speaker 3: life forensic handwriting expert who testifies in court cases. She

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Speaker 3: is the author of nineteen books, including three Beyond the

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Speaker 3: Veil mystery books, and her latest nonfiction is her personal

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Speaker 3: memoir called Growing from the Ashes. A forensic handwriting expert

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Speaker 3: Let's meet Sheila Lowe. Claudia Rose is a handwriting She

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Speaker 4: She's not me. She's a lot braver, or perhaps more

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Speaker 4: often through her work as a forensic documenting examiner and

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Speaker 4: it's called Handwriting of the Famous and infamousis It's kind

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Speaker 4: But I still wanted to write a mystery. You know.

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Speaker 3: And as time got on, obviously you've gotten into afterlife.

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Speaker 4: help me what were they for? And almost immediately I

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Speaker 4: get this like download of information about what it was for,

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Speaker 4: and it was perfect and it was something I would

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Speaker 4: never have thought of.

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Speaker 3: When we come back, we'll find out how else Sheila

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Speaker 1: Now let's get back to more with Sandra.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain

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Speaker 3: and we're hearing Shila Lowe's story. And yes, those things

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Speaker 3: that happen in our life can become inspiration for our books.

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Speaker 3: If you'd like to read some fictional great stories. Sheila's

461
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Speaker 3: got three books in her Beyond the Veil mystery series.

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00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,959
Speaker 3: Right next to me, I've got her book Proof of Life. Also,

463
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Speaker 3: you're here to learn more about the afterlife, and she's

464
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Speaker 3: got many stories in her incredible personal memoir called Growing

465
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Speaker 3: from the Ashes. Next we'll find out how Sheila gets

466
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Speaker 3: some of the ideas and inspiration for her stories. I'd

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Speaker 3: written a scene where this young woman goes into a

468
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Speaker 3: trance or maybe it's sleep, you know, you don't know.

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Speaker 3: She's tramps and she sees this hellish scene and when

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Speaker 3: she wakes up on her palms, there are these two crossing.

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Speaker 9: And I thought, you know, that was kind of cool.

472
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 9: I liked it, and I didn't know what to do

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Speaker 9: with it. And the editor said, why did she have

474
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Speaker 9: those crosses? And I thought, God, Jennifer, help me, what

475
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Speaker 9: were they for? And almost immediately I get this like

476
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Speaker 9: download of information about what it was for, and it

477
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 9: was perfect and it was something I would never have

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Speaker 9: thought of.

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Speaker 3: That's lovely.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And the same thing happened with my late boyfriend,

481
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Speaker 4: see in twenty sixteen. I was seeing this guy for

482
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Speaker 4: two and a half years. I was actually trying to

483
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Speaker 4: break up with him. He sadly died very suddenly of

484
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,479
Speaker 4: a massive heart attack. The week before. He'd been at

485
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Speaker 4: my house and he said, you know, I was lying

486
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 4: in bed last night thinking I'm gonna die. A week

487
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 4: later he knew. I realized after he died how very

488
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Speaker 4: important he was in my life. And so now he

489
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Speaker 4: was showing up when I was writing a scene in

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Speaker 4: the book. It's like he came in riding his bicycle

491
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Speaker 4: on the promenade at the beach, like he liked to do,

492
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Speaker 4: and I said, Okay, you want to be in the book,

493
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Speaker 4: I'll put you in this. So I made him a

494
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 4: scene in the book. And then much much later, near

495
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 4: the end of the book, the same thing happened. He

496
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 4: rides up on his bicycle. I was driving in my

497
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Speaker 4: car and I said, Arnie, if you're going to be

498
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 4: in the book, there has to be a reason you

499
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 4: can't just show up. And again, almost immediately I get

500
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: this answer that was perfect, and it added a dimension

501
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 4: to the book that it wouldn't have otherwise had. So

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Speaker 4: I appreciated that, and later in one of the readings

503
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 4: i'd had, I thought it was Robert Brown. No, it

504
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: must have been. Later Arnie came through and he said

505
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Speaker 4: he wished I'd made it more handsome in the book.

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Speaker 3: When you say the information just came down, came in

507
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 3: versus you said, you work very, very hard. So for you,

508
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 3: consciously you are creating, Okay, what's going to happen next?

509
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: That takes a lot of thought and it's a different

510
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Speaker 3: experience all of a sudden to have it just show up.

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, you've got an answer to a question and

512
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 4: an answer that you would never have thought of. And

513
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,280
Speaker 4: just like when people are doing automatic writing or in

514
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Speaker 4: the group, what we've learned is automatic writing is not

515
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Speaker 4: necessarily just spirit taking hold of your hand and writing.

516
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Speaker 4: It can be inspired thought or typing.

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Speaker 3: The memoir talk a little bit about that.

518
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 4: I have to go back a little bit. So I

519
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,440
Speaker 4: published Proof of Life. As I was writing it, I

520
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Speaker 4: realized that the main character needed to be a young

521
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Speaker 4: woman that I had written about in a standalone book

522
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 4: five years earlier. We'll just called What She Saw, and

523
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Speaker 4: it's about a young woman who wakes up on a

524
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Speaker 4: train with amnesia, and it's her story in this book.

525
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Speaker 4: She comes back and she's been hearing dead people wanting

526
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Speaker 4: her to do things, and she's trying to ignore it

527
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 4: and say I'm just crazy. But in Proof of Life,

528
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Speaker 4: she has to recognize what's going on with her and

529
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Speaker 4: start working with Spirit. I wanted to write about her again,

530
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Speaker 4: and so I came up with the Last Door, which

531
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Speaker 4: I always start with a title, and I loved that title.

532
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 4: It was funny because I was at a party and

533
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Speaker 4: the hostess was telling people feel free to wander anywhere

534
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 4: around the house, just don't go to the last door.

535
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Speaker 4: That's my bedroom. And I said, there's my next title,

536
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Speaker 4: and so I wrote that book. I was bargaining with

537
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Speaker 4: Spirit because they kept saying even after I'd written Proof

538
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 4: of Life, I still in readings kept hearing you need

539
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 4: to write something different and more autobiographical. I was like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to write about myself. So I brought

541
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Speaker 4: out the Last Door, and I thought, you know, now

542
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: that's going to work. All didn't work, and I kept

543
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 4: hearing the same thing, and so I thought, well, maybe

544
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 4: if I listened to spirit and do what they want,

545
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 4: it will open up some other areas that I wanted

546
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 4: to help them. And so last December I decided I'm

547
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 4: going to finally write something autobiographical. What I could write

548
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 4: about twenty three years later was my spiritual journey and

549
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 4: hopefully that has a happier ending and I can bring

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Speaker 4: Jennifer into it. In January, I started making a list

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Speaker 4: of things that I wanted to talk about in the book,

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Speaker 4: and I started reading books about memoir writing, and I

553
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Speaker 4: learned that memoir is a little different from autobiography, which

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Speaker 4: autobiography has everything in your life you start to wherever

555
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 4: you start writing at. A memoir is about some specific

556
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Speaker 4: aspect of your life that you want to explore. And

557
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 4: so I got this list of scenes, you know, parts

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Speaker 4: of my life, and on February first, I started writing it.

559
00:32:55,680 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 4: I was totally astonished to find on February twenty seven

560
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: myself writing the end. Last week, my sister was here

561
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 4: and she hadn't read it yet. She read it during

562
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Speaker 4: a weekend while she was here, and she said, there's

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Speaker 4: two hundred and nineteen pages in the book. Jennifer was

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Speaker 4: killed on two nineteen. She said, it took you twenty

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Speaker 4: seven days to write the book, and she was twenty

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Speaker 4: seven when she was killed, which was an interesting coincidence.

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Speaker 4: If that's what it was.

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Speaker 3: Your spiritual journey passing of your daughter, because we know

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Speaker 3: she didn't die. She's still with you, absolutely she is.

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Speaker 3: What difference could those topics in your memoir make for

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Speaker 3: a reader?

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Speaker 4: I think anybody who is open it gives them evidence

573
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 4: because I've included transcripts of quite a few of the

574
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Speaker 4: readings that I had with real evidence. They can see,

575
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:55,280
Speaker 4: not just for me, for anybody, and they can also learn,

576
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 4: as I did, that there is no death. There's life

577
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 4: after earth. That's beautiful in life after earth that you've

578
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 4: got to do something with that too. It's not just

579
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: a story about people living on which we do, and

580
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,040
Speaker 4: we're going to see them again. We will, and they're

581
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:16,040
Speaker 4: doing their best to let us know that they're alive

582
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: and well and still with us. But you mentioned spiritual growth,

583
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: and sometimes it is out of the ashes. You think

584
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 4: of those beautiful pine trees out in California and other areas,

585
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 4: the pine combes that need to be subjected to that

586
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 4: severe heat in order to grow. Talk a little bit

587
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 4: about this spiritual journey, maybe your thoughts on the bigger

588
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:44,799
Speaker 4: picture and what can come out of the ashes. It's

589
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: all about openness and being willing to accept what is

590
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 4: there and asking for it. I've learned. You know, you

591
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 4: have to ask your spirit guides to give you what

592
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,800
Speaker 4: you need, and it may not be what you want,

593
00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 4: like the old Rolling Stone song, Okay, always get.

594
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 3: What you want. Yeah you don't you get what you need, but.

595
00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 4: You get what you need. Yeah. I thought that I

596
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 4: needed to write those books, which I did, but that

597
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:14,920
Speaker 4: wasn't all there was.

598
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 3: I can give you a bit of life advice that

599
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 3: my mom gave my niece. She let her know that

600
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: it was just this big piece of advice she wanted

601
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 3: her to carry on. And my mother, with a great

602
00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 3: sense of humor, she says, don't park under a tree.

603
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 3: Y'all know the birds are in there anyways. So when

604
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 3: we think of a big piece of life advice, you

605
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: can maybe use that.

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00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, having come from such a restrictive religion

607
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 4: where it was it's fear based, and I grew up

608
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:50,919
Speaker 4: with this terrible fear. They told us all the time,

609
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,720
Speaker 4: you will, at some point in your life get strown

610
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,319
Speaker 4: into prison and tortured for your faith. And hearing that

611
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 4: as a child growing up, and everything is contracted and fearful.

612
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 4: In handwriting, you can see fear by contraction, narrow handwriting,

613
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 4: everything jammed together. That's one way of seeing fear. But

614
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 4: in a true spiritual life, not religious life, it's expansive.

615
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 4: Everything is open, and it really is all about love.

616
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 4: It seems very trite to say that, but it's true.

617
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 4: You know in the Bible that love God and love

618
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 4: your neighbor. That's the whole thing that replaced all of

619
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,240
Speaker 4: those laws in the Old Testament.

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00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 3: And it's easy to say, but when you really think

621
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 3: about what love is and how we all experience love,

622
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:45,479
Speaker 3: having that present in every interaction is not the easiest thing.

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Speaker 3: But boy, would that make a difference, wouldn't it? On

624
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 3: planet Earth? It certainly would. And like I told this

625
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 3: young man who was having some issues, if you're with

626
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 3: somebody who's not reflecting that love back to you, you

627
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 3: still keep giving it to them. They're abusive, you have

628
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 3: to leave them, and that's showing love too. Like Jennifer.

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00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,959
Speaker 3: You know, she would attract all of these men who

630
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: were not nice to nobody ever beat her up. She

631
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 3: would not have tolerated that, but emotionally abusive. She saw

632
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 3: me do the same thing, and that's what she learned.

633
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 3: But now I know better. Yeah, we do the best

634
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 3: we can. You know a lot of people experience guilt,

635
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: and I always say, had your younger self known that

636
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 3: there was a choice, maybe you would have done something else.

637
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 3: But we do the best we can. So guilt is

638
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: a waste of time. Let it go. You did the

639
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 3: best you could when you could. And I do believe

640
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 3: even though no, you didn't want Jennifer to pass, and

641
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 3: all the things that have happened in your life, the

642
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,959
Speaker 3: difference you're making. It's not only loving as a piece

643
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 3: of advice, but sharing and being of service. So it

644
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: may be entertaining someone in one of your books, maybe

645
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,160
Speaker 3: educating one and another. It may send somebody on their journey.

646
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 3: I do know that grief is I don't want to

647
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,040
Speaker 3: say relieved, because it never goes far. But there's all

648
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 3: the neurotransmitters that really impact the loss of them when

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Speaker 3: we're grieving, and to read a book, it can help

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Speaker 3: raise those levels again and help try to bring our

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Speaker 3: system whole. So that's a way that you are of

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Speaker 3: service as well. There's so many ways I encourage anyone,

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Speaker 3: whatever your self expression is, just do it, even if

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Speaker 3: it's just saying hello to people or giving somebody a compliment,

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Speaker 3: whatever that is for you. If you can just be

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Speaker 3: there for someone else, it's a huge, huge thing, Sheila.

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Speaker 3: Do you feel Jennifer's presence ever?

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Speaker 4: I do, maybe not as much as I used it

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Speaker 4: because I think she's busy, and I hear that she

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Speaker 4: works with young children who have crossed over in traumatic ways.

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Speaker 4: She didn't have children of her own, she wanted to,

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Speaker 4: so I'm glad that she's doing that.

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Speaker 3: Sheila, and I have more good things for you after

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Speaker 3: the break. You're listening to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm

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Speaker 2: Don't go anywhere. There's more Shades of the Afterlife coming

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Speaker 5: Hey everyone, it's producer Tom of Coast to Coast, A

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Speaker 5: M and More.

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Speaker 7: Sandra starts right now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain.

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Speaker 3: In our last segment together, we'll hear more from best

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Speaker 3: selling fiction and non fiction writer of nineteen books, including

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Speaker 3: her memoir Growing from the Ashes. The Magnificent Shila Lowe

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Speaker 3: also let you know how you can get involved in

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Speaker 3: her free automatic writing et cetera Zoom group. Next, here's

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Speaker 3: Sheila answering my question. Do you feel your daughter, Jennifer's

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Speaker 3: presence ever?

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Speaker 4: I do, maybe not as much as I used to could.

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Speaker 4: I think she busy, and I hear that she works

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Speaker 4: with young children who have crossed over in traumatic ways.

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Speaker 4: She didn't have children of her own, she wanted to,

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Speaker 4: so I'm glad that she's doing that. Sometimes a wave

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Speaker 4: of emotion will come over me, that it just comes

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Speaker 4: out of nowhere, and I often feel that that's her,

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Speaker 4: and sometimes I ask her for signs, and I've put

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Speaker 4: some of them in the book.

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Speaker 3: Our Loved Ones. I am convinced of this work through

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Speaker 3: our imagination and as human beings, it's so easy to

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Speaker 3: just blow off thoughts that come into our mind thinking that, oh,

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Speaker 3: that's just our imagination. But taking any classes in psychic

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Speaker 3: and mediumship, that's how it works. So I ask everybody

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Speaker 3: make a little more attention to that, because there are times,

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Speaker 3: even with people that I know who have passed, I'm

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Speaker 3: busy doing something and all of a sudden, like a whoosh,

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Speaker 3: a memory that I have with that person comes out

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Speaker 3: of the blue, nothing related to what I'm doing, and

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Speaker 3: filled with the emotion and the feeling, and I'm just

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Speaker 3: just a little.

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Speaker 2: Like, hey, okay, you're here.

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Speaker 7: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Pay attention to that because it's how they communicate. Not

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Speaker 3: everybody can turn lights on and off, or he even

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Speaker 3: wants to, because I believe they're busy too. I believe

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Speaker 3: that we continue to learn and grow and explore, but

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Speaker 3: they can just be by our side, and so often

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Speaker 3: they are, you know, cheering us on living life through

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Speaker 3: our eyes as well. And some of them, I mean,

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Speaker 3: just like here, we all have different talents and skills

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Speaker 3: and maybe some of them are talented at manipulating electricity,

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Speaker 3: and some who are really strong might actually come through

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Speaker 3: with a physical manifestation. I saw Jennifer walk past the

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Speaker 3: kitchen door shortly after she was killed, like within a

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Speaker 3: few days.

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Speaker 4: But that's extremely difficult to do communicating that way, like

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Speaker 4: trying to breathe on the bottom of a swimming pool,

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Speaker 4: because the atmosphere of the Earth is so heavy compared

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Speaker 4: to what they're used to. And then also I think

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Speaker 4: it was Sonya Rinaldi who was talking about why we

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Speaker 4: don't get as much physical mediumship as we used to

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Speaker 4: because with all the electronics and stuff that we have

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Speaker 4: in the atmosphere, it really makes it hard for them

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Speaker 4: to come through that way, which made perfect sense to me.

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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, you've probably seen me do this, and if you're listening,

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Speaker 3: you just have to visualize this. I've got my hand

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Speaker 3: held out in front of me and that's us. And

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Speaker 3: if I wave my hand really fast, or if anybody

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Speaker 3: waves their hand really fast, it gives it illusion that

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Speaker 3: it's invisible. I mean, you have to wave it really

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Speaker 3: really fast have it to be invisible. But you get

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Speaker 3: what I mean. They're vibrating at a different speed within

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Speaker 3: the same area. We are lots more than one form

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Speaker 3: of energy can exist in one place at the same time,

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Speaker 3: So I believe we're part of their world. But for

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Speaker 3: them to slow down enough, like you said, like it's

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Speaker 3: being underwater trying to talk maybe and get your words

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Speaker 3: out above a pool or above water, it's very difficult

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Speaker 3: for them. So if we can meet them halfway and

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Speaker 3: take some time. Even though Jovah witnesses didn't want you

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Speaker 3: to meditate, I really do think if we can learn

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Speaker 3: to slow our mind down, even if it's just for

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Speaker 3: a little while, just try to be in that present moment,

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Speaker 3: whether you're out for a walk or doing whatever you're

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Speaker 3: doing in that present moment. It's kind of like recharging

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Speaker 3: our spiritual battery a little bit, and you just never

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Speaker 3: know how much that can raise our own vibration. Do

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Speaker 3: you want to call it?

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Speaker 4: Then? Yeah, you're handwaving is good illustration. The first time

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Speaker 4: I thought of something like that was when I was

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Speaker 4: watching my room fin First it goes slow and you

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Speaker 4: can see it, and then it's spinning and spinning and

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Speaker 4: you can't see it anymore, or you don't see it.

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Speaker 4: In the same way, we're like, I didn't have my

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Speaker 4: contact lenses in, and I went and put them in,

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Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, I saw that there were

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Speaker 4: some ants on my counter that I could not see

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Speaker 4: without my lenses. Just because you can't see it doesn't

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Speaker 4: mean it's not there.

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Speaker 3: Amen to that, sister, Well, remind us what your websites

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Speaker 3: are and how people can get in touch with you.

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Speaker 4: Yes, well, they're very easy for handwriting analysis. It's just

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Speaker 4: shilolo dot com and the other one is shilolobooks dot com,

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Speaker 4: which is obviously dedicated to my books. The beautiful memoir

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Speaker 4: cover that Scott Montgomery made for me of the phoenix,

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Speaker 4: And what's kind of ironic about choosing the phoenix growing

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Speaker 4: from the ashes is that I'm extremely pyrophobic. I never

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Speaker 4: even used the fireplace when I had one in my house,

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Speaker 4: so to choose this it was still the perfect image.

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Speaker 4: And he made it like in a form of question mark.

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Speaker 4: And I just love this cover. It's beautiful. Any closing

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Speaker 4: words or anything I should have asked you that we

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Speaker 4: want to share about any last things before we were

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Speaker 4: labbed on long enough, so you blabbed in a perfect way.

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Speaker 4: We really enjoyed it. Thank you. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for having.

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Speaker 3: Me, and thank you Sheila. To find Sheila's books, including

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Speaker 3: her memoir Growing from the Ashes, go to sheilalowbooks dot

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Speaker 3: com and spell Lowlowe. Also, if you're interested in the

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Speaker 3: forensic handwriting analysis that sounds pretty cool, doesn't it, you

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Speaker 3: can just go to Shilalow dot com. Simple and easy.

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Speaker 3: I hope you enjoyed that. It made me feel really

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Speaker 3: good to talk with Sheila. She's one of my heroes,

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Speaker 3: being such a big author of so many books and

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Speaker 3: being vulnerable to share her story. If you'd like to

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Speaker 3: join her on one of those automatic writing et cetera

795
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Speaker 3: free zoom meetings that she hosts, the easiest way to

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Speaker 3: find it is if you go to a website called

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Speaker 3: Victor Zammit dot comic t R Z A M M

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Speaker 3: Victor Zammit dot com. Victor and his wife Wendy have

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Speaker 3: a wonderful website and on the left of the page

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Speaker 3: you'll see zoom groups. That's what you can click on

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Speaker 3: and you can see all the zoom groups that are happening.

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Speaker 3: Wendy and Victor Zammit, many many, many years ago, started

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Speaker 3: what's called the Friday After Life Report. You can sign

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Speaker 3: up for that and a shout out to Victor and Wendy.

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Speaker 3: When I was a brand new author well over ten

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Speaker 3: years ago, I contacted them because I needed some people

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Speaker 3: to read the book before it got published, and they

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Speaker 3: were kind enough to post it and their afterlife report

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Speaker 3: and good news came in made everybody happy. And here

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Speaker 3: we are today with my book, We Don't Die, a

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Speaker 3: skeptics discovery of life after death, as a number one

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Speaker 3: international bestseller. If you have not yet read my book

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Speaker 3: and you'd like a free PDF copy, simply go to

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Speaker 3: We Don't Die dot com. At the bottom of the page,

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Speaker 3: you can enter your name and your email address. It

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Speaker 3: says you get the first few chapters. The secret is

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Speaker 3: it is the entire book. If you are experiencing grief,

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Speaker 3: start with chapter ten. There's so much good information about

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Speaker 3: what grief is, why we grieve, tools to make it

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Speaker 3: an easier process, how our brain chemistry changes, and more. Also,

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Speaker 3: you've heard me mention our medium classes that happen atwdotdie

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Speaker 3: not everybody wants to be a medium, but there's value

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Speaker 3: in taking the classes aside from being a professional medium.

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Speaker 3: You know, it takes years and years of good study

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Speaker 3: and practice to be a medium, but there is magic

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Speaker 3: that happens in those meeting rooms. They're held on Zoom.

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Speaker 3: Our tutors are Kerrie McLoud and Phil Diyke's longtime mediums.

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Speaker 3: They're fun. You're with a community of people and you're

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Speaker 3: exploring your soul and how it receives information. So when

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Speaker 3: you start off in the classes, you learn about your

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Speaker 3: psychic ability and you do readings on other students in class,

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Speaker 3: it empowers you. It gives you that shot in the

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Speaker 3: arm of inspiration and happiness and knowing that you're never alone,

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Speaker 3: that you're a divine soul with all this wisdom. And

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Speaker 3: if you imagine a pie and that's your psychic nature,

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Speaker 3: one little slice of that pie is your need ability

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Speaker 3: as a divine soul. We all have this ability. So

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Speaker 3: once you learn how your soul communicates, then instead of

840
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Speaker 3: doing a person to person soul to soul reading, you

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Speaker 3: do a soul to soul reading on someone who's no

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Speaker 3: longer walking on planet Earth. That's called mediumship. There are

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Speaker 3: literally miracles that happen in each and every class. We

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Speaker 3: work with other students and who comes through it's our

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Speaker 3: loved ones. You know how I feel so often about

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Speaker 3: high priced mediums out there, but it dawned on me.

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Speaker 3: Our six week medium classes are lower in price than

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Speaker 3: getting an inexpensive medium reading. So why not join us

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Speaker 3: and be part of a very loving community where miracles

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Speaker 3: can happen and your loved ones can speak. Please take

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Speaker 3: me up on that. It's a great experience. That's at

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Speaker 3: home courses and don't miss our free Sunday gathering with

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Speaker 3: week and always leaves me feeling so good. Have you

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Speaker 3: ever felt inspired to write a book? You know the

857
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Speaker 3: world is waiting for your words and somebody needs to

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Speaker 3: hear the journey you've been on and your words of wisdom.

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Speaker 3: Pretend like you're writing to one person, tell them your story.

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Speaker 3: Let loved ones and your inspirers work with you, and

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